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ZONA
04-15-2009, 02:56 PM
Rey is gonna be a solid Inside LB in the NFL. But drafting him in the first round when he probably won't play on 3rd down would be a mistake in my book. I think there are guys out there that can play inside just as well and we can get them later in the draft.

This guy comes to mind - CLINT SINTIM

6'3"
255

I think with our #44 pick he would bring more value then Maualuga with either #12 or #18. Neither I believe would be on the field on 3rd down so I would stay away from a 1st round LB, unless it's Curry. This guy has great size at 255, good instincts, brings a whallop and has a high motor they say. He also is a superb pass rusher and blitzer (which is huge for a 34 LB). I've also seen a few different boards where they Patriots have their eye on this guy. He's not the best cover LB but neither is Maualuga. I think both have a very similar play style. They are ferocious, strong and intense and have high non stop motors. Neither are super fast, super fluid or great in coverage.

I want to see the Broncos get the most bang for their buck in these picks we have and I cannot see us using a 1st rounder on any of the backers from USC, or anywhere else for that matter. Curry will be taken early and he's really the only backer I would use a 1st round pick on. I would rather see us take DL with our first 2 rounders, and look to LB in the 2nd.

My dream draft - first 3 picks. Gives us players at positions of need and great value at where they were selected and each can excel in a 3-4 defense I believe.

Tyson Jackson
Ron Brace
Clint Sintim

ZONA
04-15-2009, 03:03 PM
Rey is gonna be a solid Inside LB in the NFL. But drafting him in the first round when he probably won't play on 3rd down would be a mistake in my book. I think there are guys out there that can play inside just as well and we can get them later in the draft.

This guy comes to mind - CLINT SINTIM

6'3"
255

I think with our #44 pick he would bring more value then Maualuga. Neither I believe would be on the field on 3rd down so I would stay away from a 1st round LB, unless it's Curry. This guy has great size at 255, good instincts, brings a whallop and has a high motor they say. He also is a superb pass rusher and blitzer (which is huge for a 34 LB). I've also seen a few different boards where they Patriots have their eye on this guy. He's not the best cover LB but neither is Maualuga. I think both have a very similar play style. They are ferocious, strong and intense and have high non stop motors. Neither are super fast, super fluid or great in coverage.

I want to see the Broncos get the most bang for their buck in these picks we have and I cannot see us using a 1st rounder on any of the backers from USC, or anywhere else for that matter. Curry will be taken early and he's really the only backer I would use a 1st round pick on. I would rather see us take DL with our first 2 rounders, and look to LB in the 2nd.

My dream draft - first 3 picks. Gives us players at positions of need and great value at where they were selected and each can excel in a 3-4 defense I believe.

Tyson Jackson
Ron Brace
Clint Sintim

Heck, we could even add another LB in the 3rd such as JASPER BRINKLEY. Solid player. I guess what I am trying to say is that there are alot of good LB's in this draft and we can load up on a few of them in the later rounds. No need to go after a big name in the 1st when there are quite a few guys floating around out there that we can pick up much much later and they still would be an improvemnt over many of the LB's we have on this team now.

Where's Plummer???
04-15-2009, 03:05 PM
i like Maualugas agrassiveness better...

Doggcow
04-15-2009, 03:07 PM
Maualuga really does bring a passion you don't see very often. Like Dawkins, Palamalu, Ray Lewis type passion.

ZONA
04-15-2009, 03:09 PM
i like Maualugas agrassiveness better...

So I take it you've seen Sintim play then, and not just saying that because you like Rey? I mean, Rey could be the better player but really, how much better? You don't think him playing on a dominant team with 2 other really good LB's had anything to do with his good play? I would be very leary of over looking that fact. And I can already tell you Rey probably won't be on the field except on 1st and 2nd down. Not worth a 1st round pick in my eyes, as well as alot of GM's feel that way also.

baja
04-15-2009, 03:10 PM
Everything points to trading down with the 12th pick.

Carmelo15
04-15-2009, 03:11 PM
You say you want us to get the most value with our picks or bang for our buck. Then say you want Ron Brace at #18. Am I missing something?

Where's Plummer???
04-15-2009, 03:12 PM
So I take it you've seen Sintim play then, and not just saying that because you like Rey? I mean, Rey could be the better player but really, how much better? You don't think him playing on a dominant team with 2 other really good LB's had anything to do with his good play? I would be very leary of over looking that fact. And I can already tell you Rey probably won't be on the field except on 1st and 2nd down. Not worth a 1st round pick in my eyes, as well as alot of GM's feel that way also.

i have seen BOTH of em play. and they look real similar to me. but in my perspective Mau's passion gets it for me. he just reminds me so much of palamalu... now would i be dissapointed with either of em?? HELL NO! but id rather see some DL before tey even THINK af a linebacker

ZONA
04-15-2009, 03:16 PM
Everything points to trading down with the 12th pick.

I would agree, but you have to be prepared to pick if nobody wants to deal. I think we could still land Jackson and Brace easily in the first even if we did trade down.

And Rey does have great passion but what good does that passion do you when he's on the bench on 3rd down? None. Most of the LB's you see taken in the 1st round are total complete backers who can do it all, such as Urlacher. I just look back to the 2006 draft when GB took Patrick Willis and he's been solid on 1st and 2nd down but has struggled on 3rd downs. It's a huge risk taking a LB in the middle to high 1st round if he's not the complete package. Rey is not a complete package. No way the Broncos pick him in the 1st. I will take that to the bank.

no-pseudo-fan
04-15-2009, 03:17 PM
Rey can play on 3rd. middle zone and as a pass rusher.

no-pseudo-fan
04-15-2009, 03:20 PM
I would agree, but you have to be prepared to pick if nobody wants to deal. I think we could still land Jackson and Brace easily in the first even if we did trade down.

And Rey does have great passion but what good does that passion do you when he's on the bench on 3rd down? None. Most of the LB's you see taken in the 1st round are total complete backers who can do it all, such as Urlacher. I just look back to the 2006 draft when GB took Patrick Willis and he's been solid on 1st and 2nd down but has struggled on 3rd downs. It's a huge risk taking a LB in the middle to high 1st round if he's not the complete package. Rey is not a complete package. No way the Broncos pick him in the 1st. I will take that to the bank.

Urlacher is a huge liability in coverage, but he plays with passion and rallies to the ball with bad intentions. We need players like Rey on this Defense, we had no heart last year.

ZONA
04-15-2009, 03:20 PM
You say you want us to get the most value with our picks or bang for our buck. Then say you want Ron Brace at #18. Am I missing something?

I think alot of people have totally missed on Ron Brace. We had a thread here not long ago featuring Raji and on the clips, most of us were seeing Brace just destroy things inside. Yeah, sure I would love to move down from #18 to say #25 and take Brace but I already think we are going to try and move down from #12 to take Jackson a little later. And I think Brace will be gone before we pick again at #44, where as the chances of Sintim being there are much higher. And yes, I place more value for a DT (especially in a 3-4) then a LB who will only play 2 downs.

McDman
04-15-2009, 03:21 PM
I bet half the people that say he reminds them of Palamalu is because of his hair and he hits hard.

Doggcow
04-15-2009, 03:22 PM
I would agree, but you have to be prepared to pick if nobody wants to deal. I think we could still land Jackson and Brace easily in the first even if we did trade down.

And Rey does have great passion but what good does that passion do you when he's on the bench on 3rd down? None. Most of the LB's you see taken in the 1st round are total complete backers who can do it all, such as Urlacher. I just look back to the 2006 draft when GB took Patrick Willis and he's been solid on 1st and 2nd down but has struggled on 3rd downs. It's a huge risk taking a LB in the middle to high 1st round if he's not the complete package. Rey is not a complete package. No way the Broncos pick him in the 1st. I will take that to the bank.


Did you mean SF or did you mean AJ Hawk?

Where's Plummer???
04-15-2009, 03:24 PM
I bet half the people that say he reminds them of Palamalu is because of his hair and he hits hard.

i say becuz of the passion for the game... how many ppl thought palamalu was gonna be the star that he is? and sure the hair doesnt hurt

no-pseudo-fan
04-15-2009, 03:26 PM
Not sure how these are the same player. I would love to have Sintim in the 2nd, but Rey would bring an edge to this team we haven't had since Al left.

Clint Sintim (OLB)
Height: 6'3"
Weight: 256
College: Virginia
Conference: ACC
Hometown: Woodbridge, VA
High School: Gar-Field HS


Analysis
Positives: Good height and strong lower- and upper-body build. ... Often plays as the elephant linebacker in the 3-4, where he will likely play in the pros. ... Good straight-line speed and will hustle to get downfield angles. ... Closes on quarterbacks quickly. ... Long arms and strength to secure the tackle. ... Shows versatility as a hand-down pass rusher on third down. ... Gets off the ball, can get under the pads of tackles and rip them aside. ... Generally holds up against OT blocks, and can occasionally shed to make a play. ... Takes on fullback blocks to stand his ground or create a pile.



Negatives: Might be considered an end-linebacker "tweener" by 4-3 teams, but he could fit as a strong-side linebacker if he proves the ability to handle coverage responsibilities. ... Wasn't asked to drop into coverage, and might lack the fluid hips and change-of-direction agility needed to excel in that area. ... Rarely gets into position to block passes in space or at the line. ... Needs to shed tight end blocks on the edge and make more plays.

Rey Maualuga (ILB)
Height: 6'2"
Weight: 249
College: Southern Cal
Conference: Pac 10
Hometown: Eureka, CA
High School: Eureka

Analysis
Positives: Good initial quickness off the snap. Quickly gets to top speed, flashing rare downhill explosiveness for the position. Reads the action quickly. Willing to take on blocks and has the strength and hand technique to shed quickly. Good lateral quickness to evade blockers and has the speed to beat backs to the flanks. Gets good depth on his pass drop and is quick to close on the ball. Punishing hitter with four career forced fumbles. Productive pass rusher with the speed to close on even mobile quarterbacks. Can break down in space to make the secure open-field tackle.



Negatives: Has a tendency to overpursue, opening holes in the defense for quick and savvy ballcarriers to exploit. Too often relies on his explosive hitting to knock down ballcarriers, rather than wrapping up to make secure tackles. Concerns about his maturity. Repeated troubles while at USC involving fights and alcohol.

chickennob2
04-15-2009, 03:28 PM
Did you mean SF or did you mean AJ Hawk?

likely hawk, since willis has been a beast

ZONA
04-15-2009, 03:28 PM
Rey can play on 3rd. middle zone and as a pass rusher.

So if we play Rey in a zone on 3rd down, you don't think teams will catch on to the fact we are almost always going to a zone on 3rd down when Rey is in there? Dude, cmon. Teams will figure that out very quickly, probably by half time of the first game. Rey cannot just sit in a zone on every 3rd down, or blitz. And if we do end up doing that, why in the heck wouldn't we just do that with Sintim and pay him less. He has all the same type of numbers from college, except for the fact he's already played in a 3 4 defense and will already be ahead of Rey in terms of knowledge of the defensive scheme, and he will be paid much less, not to mention, you have a much better guage of him as a stand alone player. He did not have all the talent in the world around him like Rey did. We have players that need new contracts very soon and they will be high dollar contracts (Clady, Marshall, Harris, etc..). We will need the cap room.

UberBroncoMan
04-15-2009, 03:34 PM
Urlacher is a huge liability in coverage, but he plays with passion and rallies to the ball with bad intentions. We need players like Rey on this Defense, we had no heart last year.

Apparently Andra Davis (who was defensive captain for the Browns) has already taken a huge leadership role on the defensive side of our team, as has a Mr. Brian Dawkins.

Lets not forget Champ should be out there as well.

I'm honestly not so worried about leadership that we need a rookie to inspire it.

I should also point out that Spencer Larsen was defensive captain for Arizona in college and Wesley Woodyard likewise at Kentucky.

We've got some seriously passionate and mentally intelligent players on defense.

It just so happens last year, we forced one to primarily play FB and the other only got his shot when D.J. was out of the lineup.

I guess I'm one of the few people who don't want any part of Rey on this team. In fact I don't want us to spend a single early round pick on our interior LB's. I'm content with Andra Davis, D.J. Williams and two youngins in Wesley Woodyard and Spencer Larsen fighting it out for those two spots.

At outside we have Boss, Elvis, Jarvis, Crowder, and Reid. I think Elvis has already shown he's working his ass off for one of those spots, and I can't see how one of the other four on that list don't get the other spot and play well at it.

We need to fix up our D-Line first and foremost.

Give me Jerron Gilbert and Tyson Jackson for our two DE's with Raji or Brace in the middle and Sammy Lee Hill as a late draft NT project.

Inkana7
04-15-2009, 03:35 PM
Urlacher is a huge liability in coverage, but he plays with passion and rallies to the ball with bad intentions. We need players like Rey on this Defense, we had no heart last year.

Hilarious!

Urlacher played Safety in college and is a huge reason why Chicago's Cover-2 has been so good! Urlacher is great in coverage. You're an idiot.

UberBroncoMan
04-15-2009, 03:38 PM
Hilarious!

Urlacher played Safety in college and is a huge reason why Chicago's Cover-2 has been so good! Urlacher is great in coverage. You're an idiot.

That's part of the reason I want Woodyard to be a starter. The guy is not only a natural leader with a non-stop motor... he has great coverage ability (as we saw vs KC).

Problem with that is where does D.J. go... WSLB?... because I can't see Andra Davis not QB'ing our defense in front while Dawkins does it in the back. Should D.J. go to WSLB where then does Elvis go??? That guy seems like he'd fit in great there if he can show us he has the coverage ability.

meangene
04-15-2009, 03:45 PM
I've been pushing Sinton as underrated for a while. Love his versatility.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?p=2343016#post2343016

ZONA
04-15-2009, 03:49 PM
Al Wilson was much better in pass coverage then Rey and he was taken with the 31st pick. To me, I think Rey wiff's way too many times going for the big hit and yeah, he is not the wrap up type of LB. How many times have we all came on this board over the past few years complaining about LB's laying wood, only to watch the RB's spin off of that initial hit to get another 2 or 3 yards and pick up first downs. Now if something happened to where we could move down to the end of the 1st round trading our 18th pick to something like #28, Rey would be worth a look there. But not at #12, no way.

TheDave
04-15-2009, 03:51 PM
I'll take Jasper Brinkley in the 3rd over both of them.

ZONA
04-15-2009, 03:59 PM
I'll take Jasper Brinkley in the 3rd over both of them.

Yup, I said that as well in the first post. I would like to add at least one of the two. Add 1 LB to compete for a spot and let's see how some of the guys we have do in a Nolen led 34. We already know many of the guys we have on the DL probably won't be great so that is where we need the talent right now. We could also do well by adding a CB and Safety for depth and to groom.

baja
04-15-2009, 04:00 PM
So we would do best with the 18th and 3 2nds and 4 thirds?

Doggcow
04-15-2009, 04:02 PM
So we would do best with the 18th and 3 2nds and 4 thirds?

I'd love that in this draft. Theres tons of 2nd/3rd round talent!

ZONA
04-15-2009, 04:04 PM
So we would do best with the 18th and 3 2nds and 4 thirds?

No. But I think most of us would like to see us moving down from #12 to say like #16 and pick up a 2nd rounder for that. I think we could still land Jackson with #16. At #18 there are still guys we could take to give good value that our defense could use, such as CB Davis, FS Delmas or even QB Freeman. Then we have our 3 2nd rounders and 2 3rd rounders.

GoBroncos84
04-15-2009, 04:14 PM
I think Jackson, Maualuga, Brace would be the best first day. I like Sintim, but would prefer Rey. I think he is a special player, and once he gets come good coaching and matures he should be an elite player for many years



I do like Brinkley as well, and if we do not get Rey he is my next ILB I would like us to go after

Northman
04-15-2009, 04:20 PM
Im sold.

OrangeRising
04-15-2009, 04:58 PM
baja - "Everything points to trading down with the 12th pick."


What on earth makes you say this? Everything I have read would indicate Denver may move up or stay where they are. I have not read a single draft simulation that has Denver trading down. No criticism is intended, I'm just curious what makes you think this.

baja
04-15-2009, 05:11 PM
baja - "Everything points to trading down with the 12th pick."


What on earth makes you say this? Everything I have read would indicate Denver may move up or stay where they are. I have not read a single draft simulation that has Denver trading down. No criticism is intended, I'm just curious what makes you think this.

I'm talkin about the posts on this thread.

want2bAbronco2
04-15-2009, 05:17 PM
I want 3dl and 2lbs.....not sure how we can get that, but thats what I want in this draft!

cutthemdown
04-15-2009, 05:33 PM
Al Wilson was much better in pass coverage then Rey and he was taken with the 31st pick. To me, I think Rey wiff's way too many times going for the big hit and yeah, he is not the wrap up type of LB. How many times have we all came on this board over the past few years complaining about LB's laying wood, only to watch the RB's spin off of that initial hit to get another 2 or 3 yards and pick up first downs. Now if something happened to where we could move down to the end of the 1st round trading our 18th pick to something like #28, Rey would be worth a look there. But not at #12, no way.

I love al Wilson but he didn't create the havoc at the point of attack like Rey Rey did.

Rey Rey IMO would not play as well as Wilson did in a 4-3. Inside in a 3-4 however he becomes a 4 down player because of his ability to rush right up the gut and overpower blockers at the point of attack.

Rey's thing is totally blow a play up and let other players make plays. I watch a lot of USC football he would often take out 2-3 blockers with a huge collision in the hole. The RB was left with nowhere to run because all his blockers, and REY, would be in a huge pile right in the hole. Running back slows down, tried to look for room, and rest of defense would then crush him.

I like Cushing and Mathews as well but Rey because he is so ultra physical and ultra crazy, he creates just absolute chaos at the point of attack.

The knock on Rey is he sometimes takes plays off, sometimes over pursues, and isn't realy good at dropping into coverage.

He has however shown a knack for being able to rush the QB straight up the gut, well at least in 2007 he did, last yr they didn't send him as much it seemed and I can't remember seeing him get to qb as much.

cutthemdown
04-15-2009, 05:38 PM
No. But I think most of us would like to see us moving down from #12 to say like #16 and pick up a 2nd rounder for that. I think we could still land Jackson with #16. At #18 there are still guys we could take to give good value that our defense could use, such as CB Davis, FS Delmas or even QB Freeman. Then we have our 3 2nd rounders and 2 3rd rounders.

A 2nd rounder for 4 spots in the draft huh? Me thinks you are crazy. Maybe if it was a really low 2nd rounder and a team was desperate, but IMO you would only get a 3rd rounder for a 200 point move in the first round. Now if you are willing to drop 6 spots to the 18 I'm sure that team will listen to all offersHilarious!

Can we trade with ourselves and give ourselves an extra 2nd rounder? I would think if we trade down it would be with the 18th pick anyways. IMO Broncos will sit on the 12th spot and take whatever there highest rated player that is still available is.

Drek
04-15-2009, 05:54 PM
That's part of the reason I want Woodyard to be a starter. The guy is not only a natural leader with a non-stop motor... he has great coverage ability (as we saw vs KC).

Problem with that is where does D.J. go... WSLB?... because I can't see Andra Davis not QB'ing our defense in front while Dawkins does it in the back. Should D.J. go to WSLB where then does Elvis go??? That guy seems like he'd fit in great there if he can show us he has the coverage ability.

I think there is a good chance DJ will be playing SOLB anyhow.

Its the one position we added no depth to in FA, that we don't have another apparent fit at (other than Boss Bailey for all of about 50 snaps a season), and that lets him continue to use his excellent speed to make plays.

The popular misconception is that just because we're moving to a 3-4 base that our OLBs all need to be pass rushers, but in Nolan's scheme the 3-4 SOLB has to be a jack of all trades type. That's DJ to a T.

I think our starting LB in a 3-4 front will be Dumervil, Davis, Larsen/Woodyard, and DJ.

Anaximines
04-15-2009, 06:01 PM
Maybe this is splitting hairs, but for what it's worth Sintim looks to have bad catching form in his combine workout video (he catches all of the passes against his body, and misses one that he got his hands on). I haven't been able to find his INT stats from college.

footstepsfrom#27
04-15-2009, 06:12 PM
It's been shown many times that the lack of D-line talent is our biggest problem on defense. This D-line doesn't have a single guy whose a proven 3-4 fit and we're talking about LB's in the first round? The only way I see that as worthwhile is if we have a shot at a true 3-4 OLB who can rush the passer, someone like Everette Brown. I can't see a 2 down LB as the guy we need...plus the kid's a flake.

Kaylore
04-15-2009, 06:27 PM
Stay away from Maualuga.

worm
04-15-2009, 08:45 PM
There are connections between Clint's coach and NE. Josh is obviously aware of him as well. I think he will end up at either one of those spots..

Gcver2ver3
04-15-2009, 08:49 PM
?

ZONA
04-15-2009, 08:49 PM
It's been shown many times that the lack of D-line talent is our biggest problem on defense. This D-line doesn't have a single guy whose a proven 3-4 fit and we're talking about LB's in the first round? The only way I see that as worthwhile is if we have a shot at a true 3-4 OLB who can rush the passer, someone like Everette Brown. I can't see a 2 down LB as the guy we need...plus the kid's a flake.

Exactly. I understand Maualuga gets alot of hype because he played at USC and he does have some good skills and a high motor. But you don't need to blow a 1st round pick on a guy who just runs into piles taking out what ever opposite teams' jersey he can find. He might turn out to be a solid pro as an inside backer but he's a scary pick in the 1st round. I wonder what everybody here will say when pick #20 is on the clock and Maualuga is still in his chair. I honestly think he will go between 25-32. I'm just very reserved about selecting any player from an All Star Team. I really like the Clady type picks where guys were clearly the best player on their team hands down no questions about it. I also like Brown but I'd first like to see what Doom can do in the same position because they are very similar players.

1 week away, this is gonna be exiting.