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24champ
04-15-2009, 02:01 PM
Wonder what he will say about the Broncos and the Jay Cutler stuff...or it will just be about Handball?

Man-Goblin
04-15-2009, 02:03 PM
Well, at least we know where he is now.

broncosteven
04-15-2009, 02:03 PM
Won't this guy just go away?

TheElusiveKyleOrton
04-15-2009, 02:04 PM
Won't this guy just go away?

I've been waiting for Rome to go away for YEARS.

24champ
04-15-2009, 02:05 PM
Won't this guy just go away?

Former Denver Broncos QBs never go away.

2KBack
04-15-2009, 02:06 PM
I've been waiting for Rome to go away for YEARS.

seconded. I am a very laid back guy, but Jim Rome still makes me want to punch my radio.

broncofan2438
04-15-2009, 02:20 PM
Former Denver Broncos QBs never go away.

Only to Chicago

DBBBSBS
04-15-2009, 02:29 PM
Only to Chicago

i dont remember plummer or elway going to chicago. who went to chicago ? Hilarious!

TDmvp
04-15-2009, 02:31 PM
Tv or radio ?

broncosteven
04-15-2009, 02:40 PM
i dont remember plummer or elway going to chicago. who went to chicago ? Hilarious!

SOB backed up and started for them.

Actually DA BEARS were in the Plummer sweepstakes, they brought him in and took him to the chop house and he left. He said he wanted to know what it felt like to be a top FA prospect.

We got MOXIEMAN and DA BEARS got Kordell Stewart.

Florida_Bronco
04-15-2009, 02:41 PM
i dont remember plummer or elway going to chicago. who went to chicago ? Hilarious!

Plummer almost did. The Bears were the ones trying to sign him from the Cards.

But then, he wouldn't be a former Bronco would he? :giggle:

broncosteven
04-15-2009, 02:54 PM
Actually Plummer is perfect for Broadcasting as he only wants to work 85% of the time!

LOL

Maybe he is promoting Idaho Mens Badmitton as he got tired of mens handball because the Local Idhoan fans were putting too much pressure on him to win?

Where's Plummer???
04-15-2009, 02:59 PM
:wave:

24champ
04-16-2009, 03:36 PM
The Denver Broncos made the right decision to fire Mike Shanahan, and Jay Cutler made wrong decisions in the situation that led the team to trade him to the Chicago Bears.

At least that’s the viewpoint of former Broncos quarterback Jake Plummer, who retired in 2007.

Speaking with Jim Rome on ESPN’s “Rome is Burning,” Plummer said if he had been Cutler, “I would’ve stayed (in Denver).”

“As a quarterback, I think you’ve got to look at what’s coming in,” Plummer said from Sandpoint, Idaho. “I think (new Broncos coach Josh) McDaniels is going to bring in a system that’s going to work, that’s going to be focused around the quarterback.
“(Cutler) chose to take off and leave from that situation, which, as a quarterback, I think it would be a great situation to be in. (But) for some reason, the feathers were ruffled . . . I leave the soap operas to the daytime TV shows. I would rather go out and play. I neever wanted to get caught up in that stuff.”



“I think he might have made the wrong decision because Denver’s a great football town, they love their football there,” said the Arizona State product. “If you perform well and you’re tough and you battle and you show the crowd through the cheers and through the boos that you’re going to come out everyday and work hard, then they love you there. I think some of the fans miss me extremely much there now.”


read the rest....

http://www.indenvertimes.com/2009/04/16/plummer-weighs-in-on-cutler-shanahan/

Where's Plummer???
04-16-2009, 03:42 PM
“I think he might have made the wrong decision because Denver’s a great football town, they love their football there,” said the Arizona State product. “If you perform well and you’re tough and you battle and you show the crowd through the cheers and through the boos that you’re going to come out everyday and work hard, then they love you there. I think some of the fans miss me extremely much there now.”



sry jake.. your wrong... as much i hate to say it im probably the onloy one who does...

Vegas_Bronco
04-16-2009, 03:44 PM
Lesson 1 in the NFL: check you damned ego at the door!

Thank you Jake!

TDmvp
04-16-2009, 03:45 PM
I love Jake but he came of bitter ...
Not thinking Jake is a good guy is stupid , but some stuff he said comes off just as stupid ....

TO ME ... It came off like Mike wanted perfection , I couldn't do it and it made me sad and not like Mike..

Love Jake but he hasn't got over them drafting Cutler , I get it .
But him taking shots at Shanny is like Dan Reeves doing the same .

Score Board .... 2 rings ... 3 counting SF ...

Where's Plummer???
04-16-2009, 03:48 PM
you know for a guy who has had more fans from denver trash talk him he still has good **** to say a bout us...

frerottenextelway
04-16-2009, 03:50 PM
I would rather go out and play.

No Jake. You left the entire game instead of going out and playing.

TDmvp
04-16-2009, 03:51 PM
you know for a guy who has had more fans from denver trash talk him he still has good **** to say a bout us...

Yea I agree .... NO IDEA why any Bronco fan would hate Jake , and even with some doing it he still act classy about the city and team ...

Popps
04-16-2009, 03:51 PM
sry jake.. your wrong... as much i hate to say it im probably the onloy one who does...

No, you're wrong.

Most Broncos fans will hold fond memories of our 2nd most winning QB in club history. For all his flaws, he brought fire back to the franchise and was part of a nice playoff run.

The anti-Jake types are the vocal, squeaky-wheel types... but I'd bet that the majority of Broncos fans appreciated the attitude he brought back to the team.

Franchise records for passing, winning, throws without an INT, etc. Bashing this guy is beyond me. Again, he wasn't without flaw, but he gave us a chance to win and you can't find a teammate that would say a bad word about him.

Anyway, I like that he still speaks highly of the fans and the organization. Nothing surprising, there.

Where's Plummer???
04-16-2009, 03:53 PM
No, you're wrong.

Most Broncos fans will hold fond memories of our 2nd most winning QB in club history. For all his flaws, he brought fire back to the franchise and was part of a nice playoff run.

The anti-Jake types are the vocal, squeaky-wheel types... but I'd bet that the majority of Broncos fans appreciated the attitude he brought back to the team.

Franchise records for passing, winning, throws without an INT, etc. Bashing this guy is beyond me. Again, he wasn't without flaw, but he gave us a chance to win and you can't find a teammate that would say a bad word about him.

Anyway, I like that he still speaks highly of the fans and the organization. Nothing surprising, there.

from what ive herad on this forum theres almost noone who misses him...

TDmvp
04-16-2009, 04:01 PM
from what ive herad on this forum theres almost noone who misses him...

misses and respects are two different things .

I am was and always will be a BIG Jake fan ... But I would rather have Cutler at Qb . or someone with Jay's skill set .

Popps
04-16-2009, 04:04 PM
I just want to win again. I don't care if Pat Bowlen has to throw passes.

Dr. Broncenstein
04-16-2009, 04:07 PM
I miss Jake Plummer. I liked winning.

Where's Plummer???
04-16-2009, 04:11 PM
I miss Jake Plummer. I liked winning.

you know how many ppl busted my balls for saying i missed jake?? where the *** is mr steven? how come hes not on here jumpin down everyone elses throats... YOU PUSSY!!! get over here and say something when it's more than 1 person...

Paladin
04-16-2009, 04:14 PM
I miss Jake Plummer. I liked winning.

QFT.

But they had Cutler, ya know? All that potential......

Taco John
04-16-2009, 04:16 PM
you know how many ppl busted my balls for saying i missed jake?? where the *** is mr steven? how come hes not on here jumpin down everyone elses throats... YOU p***Y!!! get over here and say something when it's more than 1 person...



I miss Jake all the time. But one of these days, he's going to hang out in that cross walk a little too long...

Where's Plummer???
04-16-2009, 04:20 PM
wish i could sit n debate cutler longer but ise gots to go see the red wings get there asses kicked...

Taco John
04-16-2009, 04:22 PM
:thumbsup:

frerottenextelway
04-16-2009, 04:23 PM
Interesting Jake and Griese came in 1 year apart, and one of them is still playing football, and the other is playing handball.

Jake did some good things for us, his ability to avoid the sack is unmatched from any QB I've ever seen, including John and Jay. But his love of the game is a total fraud. As soon as his starting position wasn't given to him on a golden platter he folded like a tent and quit the sport instead of competing in Tampa.

DHallblows
04-16-2009, 04:23 PM
you know how many ppl busted my balls for saying i missed jake?? where the *** is mr steven? how come hes not on here jumpin down everyone elses throats... YOU p***Y!!! get over here and say something when it's more than 1 person...

LOL! Now there's two of you. Congrats :thumbs:

And your view of The Mane's opinion of Jake is completely wrong. Hardly anyone hates Jake. Of course hardly anyone likes him enough to put him in their username...

telluride
04-16-2009, 04:27 PM
No, you're wrong.

Most Broncos fans will hold fond memories of our 2nd most winning QB in club history. For all his flaws, he brought fire back to the franchise and was part of a nice playoff run.

The anti-Jake types are the vocal, squeaky-wheel types... but I'd bet that the majority of Broncos fans appreciated the attitude he brought back to the team.

Franchise records for passing, winning, throws without an INT, etc. Bashing this guy is beyond me. Again, he wasn't without flaw, but he gave us a chance to win and you can't find a teammate that would say a bad word about him.

Anyway, I like that he still speaks highly of the fans and the organization. Nothing surprising, there.

Rep. As nail-biting as it was to watch him play at times, Jake was always entertaining, and always a competitor. He was a good guy in AZ, a good guy in Denver, and remains a good guy. Stay golden, Jake Plummer!

Bronx33
04-16-2009, 04:35 PM
seconded. I am a very laid back guy, but Jim Rome still makes me want to punch my radio.


3rded i was hoping jim everett would have killed him.

Kaylore
04-16-2009, 04:41 PM
I will always love Plummer for three things.


He wasn't Brian Griese.
The '05 season (with the exception of the AFCCG)
His tribute to Pat Tillman


I still resent Plummer for three things.


Five turnovers in the AFCG.
Tanking the season after the team drafted Cutler.
Quitting on the Buccs and screwing us out of a better draft pick.




And why did they spell Doctor Jekyll and Mr. Hyde wrong?

SureShot
04-16-2009, 04:47 PM
LOL! Now there's two of you. Congrats :thumbs:

And your view of The Mane's opinion of Jake is completely wrong. Hardly anyone hates Jake. Of course hardly anyone likes him enough to put him in their username...

The funny thing is Plummer was his second choice to "Where's Cutler???"

Biggest toolbox to come to the Mane since Casino. Lucky for us they post in the same annoying way.

SureShot
04-16-2009, 04:49 PM
I will always love Plummer for three things.


He wasn't Brian Griese.
The '05 season (with the exception of the AFCCG)
His tribute to Pat Tillman


I still resent Plummer for three things.


Five turnovers in the AFCG.
Tanking the season after the team drafted Cutler.
Quitting on the Buccs and screwing us out of a better draft pick.






Couldn't have said it better myself.^5

Anaximines
04-16-2009, 04:56 PM
Jake is awesome, I like how he just does whatever he wants.

elsid13
04-16-2009, 05:03 PM
People should have read the rest of the article. This is why Plummer wasn't a good fit for Shanahan.
http://www.indenvertimes.com/2009/04/16/plummer-weighs-in-on-cutler-shanahan/
"I think when you game plan and you put in, oh, 140, 150 pass plays when you’re going to run maybe 65 to 75 plays in a game, and of those, maybe 25 to 30 are passes, you’re overdoing it,” Plummer told Rome. “If you’re such a great coach, focus on the defense and know what’s going to work — not have to force us to practice and study.

“I believe in letting players play. I was a guy who could make plays out of nothing . . . I think he just had his run with me, was ready to move on.”

Fusionfrontman
04-16-2009, 05:09 PM
I liked, and still do like Jake. When Cutler took over I was excited over his potential, but something never felt right. I felt like our attitude on Offense left. I know that sounds odd, but JAke gave us a swagger. Even if he turned the ball over 3 times in a game, if we kept it close, Jake would give us confidence that we could squeak out a win (even ugly) and the end of the game. How many times with Cutler (im not comparing) did he have bad games (mopey Jay) and we think, **** we're not winning this. Not a chance, no matter how close it is. i.e The jaguars and Dolphins game

DBroncos4life
04-16-2009, 05:18 PM
Anyone that really believes we won because of Jake is crazy. He was a leader and a guy that gave it his all but our teams won because of the D.

maher_tyler
04-16-2009, 05:30 PM
Anyone that really believes we won because of Jake is crazy. He was a leader and a guy that gave it his all but our teams won because of the D.

..and solid run game to set up the boot.

Popps
04-16-2009, 05:45 PM
Anyone that really believes we won because of Jake is crazy. He was a leader and a guy that gave it his all but our teams won because of the D.

Again, it's not "because of".... it's just that we won.

People want to win. He helped facilitate that, as did many others. Mike Anderson wasn't Walter Payton, but I don't hate him, either.

Most fans just want to win.... not win because of a quarterback. They just want to win.

Where's Plummer???
04-16-2009, 05:47 PM
which was my point in the Jake's resume thread... we were winning. and i dont see how n/e one can deny the leadership he brought to the game.

DBroncos4life
04-16-2009, 05:49 PM
Again, it's not "because of".... it's just that we won.

People want to win. He helped facilitate that, as did many others. Mike Anderson wasn't Walter Payton, but I don't hate him, either.

Most fans just want to win.... not win because of a quarterback. They just want to win.

Its a team game. Teams win and teams lose. Our D went what 10 weeks or so without giving up a TD. You would be hard pressed to find many teams that wouldn't win games with a D like that.

DHallblows
04-16-2009, 05:50 PM
I dont see how n/e one can deny the leadership he brought to the game.

...I don't think anyone does. They deny the talent he brought to the game

DBroncos4life
04-16-2009, 05:55 PM
People forget how good of a QB coach Shanny was. He took Plummer and made him look respectable despite his faults as a QB. He had three QBs he coached after Elway make the Pro Bowl.

baja
04-16-2009, 06:03 PM
Again, it's not "because of".... it's just that we won.

People want to win. He helped facilitate that, as did many others. Mike Anderson wasn't Walter Payton, but I don't hate him, either.

Most fans just want to win.... not win because of a quarterback. They just want to win.

Even before the win is a game that is hard fought not a bunch of moopie doopie quiter attitudes dragging there asses around the field and laughing and joking while getting there asses handed to them by 20 or 30 points.

lostknight
04-16-2009, 06:05 PM
I will always love Plummer for three things.


Quitting on the Buccs and screwing us out of a better draft pick.




You know, given that we got Hillis with that draft pick, not bad at all.

broncofan7
04-16-2009, 06:20 PM
My fondest memory of the 'Plummer years' was going to the Philly @Denver game in Oct of 2005 with some of my cousins and watching us jump out to a 28-0 lead and then blowing them out in the 4th, closing out the 49-21 win. Jake had charisma, moxie and a kiss-my-a$$ demeanor that I enjoyed -my worst memory was blowing $1000 on a 45 yard line, 3rd row seat next to my Steeler fan brother in the AFCCG and watching him throw that horrible INT at the end of the 1st half that was intended for Stephen Alexander--that pass seemed to just float into the DB's hands--it was completely telegraphed and essentially put the game out of reach for us. I am a fan of Jay but I also respect what Jake did for us

Popps
04-16-2009, 06:35 PM
Its a team game. Teams win and teams lose. Our D went what 10 weeks or so without giving up a TD. You would be hard pressed to find many teams that wouldn't win games with a D like that.

Agree. The D started out great. Jake also came close to setting a league record for passes without an INT. We got great production out of our runners. We had Al Wilson and John Lynch leading the D along with Champ.

A lot of things went right that year, and leading up to it.

As for it being a team game, you'll find no bigger purveyor of that theory on this board than myself. But, that doesn't preclude me from appreciating guys who helped us win games.

frerottenextelway
04-16-2009, 06:38 PM
My fondest memory of the 'Plummer years' was going to the Philly @Denver game in Oct of 2005 with some of my cousins and watching us jump out to a 28-0 lead and then blowing them out in the 4th, closing out the 49-21 win. Jake had charisma, moxie and a kiss-my-a$$ demeanor that I enjoyed -my worst memory was blowing $1000 on a 45 yard line, 3rd row seat next to my Steeler fan brother in the AFCCG and watching him throw that horrible INT at the end of the 1st half that was intended for Stephen Alexander--that pass seemed to just float into the DB's hands--it was completely telegraphed and essentially put the game out of reach for us. I am a fan of Jay but I also respect what Jake did for us

A bit OT: I wasn't there, but on TeeVee our D was the funnest to watch the 1st half of that game. We were literally lining up 11 on the LOS and going cover 0. It was sick, the one play where we blew a coverage on T.O. who was streaking down the field uncovered but McNabb had no time to throw and got sacked. I really think that 1st half was one of the big daggars in the T.O. Philly relationship.

24champ
04-16-2009, 07:04 PM
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Where's Plummer???
04-16-2009, 07:16 PM
'twas only a matter of time before i... mean HE got a interview...

broncosteven
04-16-2009, 07:25 PM
which was my point in the Jake's resume thread... we were winning. and i dont see how n/e one can deny the leadership he brought to the game.

Jake quit on the team. It is an established/published fact that he didn't want to lead this team. He didn't want to show up to all the team practices.

He flipped off the fans and was involved in more off field incidents than Cutler but people love him because he had Moxie.

Funny how Elsid pointed out the rest of the interview, the part that proved he didn't want to study or work to get better. He just wanted to play.

One cannot just go out and play until he has studied to his fullest.

If Jake had soild fundamentals and worked on throwing with proper footwork he could have just gone out and played. After teams took the boot away and forced him to throw from the pocket he was doomed, he knew it and moped more than Cutler ever did. He moped so much he quit the NFL for Handball, HANDBALL people!

I was at the game in the 2nd week vs SD when the crowd Booed the team, only time I remember that kind of booing of the Broncos. We won more games in 2005 because of others than because of Jake, before that I thought he contributed to more games than he did in 2005. When the playoffs rolled around Bad Jake appeared. Even vs Pats you could tell he was not having fun and felt the pressure. If Champ didn't bail him out again he would not have won a playoff game for us.

Some people, like Gene Kranz, thrive under pressure or can at least handle it. Jake self destructed under pressure.

summerdenver
04-16-2009, 07:29 PM
And why did they spell Doctor Jekyll and Mr. Hyde wrong?

May be because Jakell is closer to Jake ...

broncosteven
04-16-2009, 07:32 PM
My fondest memory of the 'Plummer years' was going to the Philly @Denver game in Oct of 2005 with some of my cousins and watching us jump out to a 28-0 lead and then blowing them out in the 4th, closing out the 49-21 win. Jake had charisma, moxie and a kiss-my-a$$ demeanor that I enjoyed -my worst memory was blowing $1000 on a 45 yard line, 3rd row seat next to my Steeler fan brother in the AFCCG and watching him throw that horrible INT at the end of the 1st half that was intended for Stephen Alexander--that pass seemed to just float into the DB's hands--it was completely telegraphed and essentially put the game out of reach for us. I am a fan of Jay but I also respect what Jake did for us

My fondest memory was the 2003 Colts game we went to late in the regular season. He handed the ball off to Q who had his career game. He did throw a pick on his 1st pass of the game which put them down 7 -0 early but he did that alot in the 1st drives of many games.

I think I knew that Denver had to find a replacement when I attended the 2nd game of 2005. I never heard the Broncos booed that bad in my life.

Where's Plummer???
04-16-2009, 07:37 PM
Jake quit on the team. It is an established/published fact that he didn't want to lead this team. He didn't want to show up to all the team practices.

He flipped off the fans and was involved in more off field incidents than Cutler but people love him because he had Moxie.

Funny how Elsid pointed out the rest of the interview, the part that proved he didn't want to study or work to get better. He just wanted to play.

One cannot just go out and play until he has studied to his fullest.

If Jake had soild fundamentals and worked on throwing with proper footwork he could have just gone out and played. After teams took the boot away and forced him to throw from the pocket he was doomed, he knew it and moped more than Cutler ever did. He moped so much he quit the NFL for Handball, HANDBALL people!

I was at the game in the 2nd week vs SD when the crowd Booed the team, only time I remember that kind of booing of the Broncos. We won more games in 2005 because of others than because of Jake, before that I thought he contributed to more games than he did in 2005. When the playoffs rolled around Bad Jake appeared. Even vs Pats you could tell he was not having fun and felt the pressure. If Champ didn't bail him out again he would not have won a playoff game for us.

Some people, like Gene Kranz, thrive under pressure or can at least handle it. Jake self destructed under pressure.

he quit becuz they were gonna trade him after he came off a great season and was having a pretty good one... shannahan fumbled the ball and plummer got the short end of the stick. he flipped off the fans when they booed him and he had had enuf booing.

Atwater His Ass
04-16-2009, 08:34 PM
Jake quit on the team. It is an established/published fact that he didn't want to lead this team. He didn't want to show up to all the team practices.

He flipped off the fans and was involved in more off field incidents than Cutler but people love him because he had Moxie.

Funny how Elsid pointed out the rest of the interview, the part that proved he didn't want to study or work to get better. He just wanted to play.

One cannot just go out and play until he has studied to his fullest.

If Jake had soild fundamentals and worked on throwing with proper footwork he could have just gone out and played. After teams took the boot away and forced him to throw from the pocket he was doomed, he knew it and moped more than Cutler ever did. He moped so much he quit the NFL for Handball, HANDBALL people!

I was at the game in the 2nd week vs SD when the crowd Booed the team, only time I remember that kind of booing of the Broncos. We won more games in 2005 because of others than because of Jake, before that I thought he contributed to more games than he did in 2005. When the playoffs rolled around Bad Jake appeared. Even vs Pats you could tell he was not having fun and felt the pressure. If Champ didn't bail him out again he would not have won a playoff game for us.

Some people, like Gene Kranz, thrive under pressure or can at least handle it. Jake self destructed under pressure.

You guy are missing the point with Jake's comment. It wasn't that he didn't think he needed to study and prepare. His point was why do I need to study 150 pass plays when we're going to run 25-30 a game? His opinion is that it should have been Shanny's responsibility to game plan and identify say maybe 50 pass plays to work on as they would be the most likely to succeed against that particular defense that week.

Also the handball comments are ridiculous. Why does a guy have to play in the NFL until old age or injury (or both) knock him out? What's so wrong with a guy who's had his fill and now has other interests he'd like to pursue?

There's not one person on this board that doesn't envy Jake's position in life to have his health and be able to provide for his family and do whatever he wants whenever he wants. Sounds like a great life plan to me, even if the internet message boards say I "quit".

Popps
04-16-2009, 08:37 PM
The irony in football is often stuff you couldn't make up if you had to.

Remember Orange4Life's epic meltdown after the Cutler pick? He's a great guy and a kick-ass fan, yet was almost run off the board because of his opinions on the matter. Some of the prodding may have been deserved, but he had an opinion... and stuck to it.

His opinion was that a team on the eve of a Superbowl might want to try to load up with a few more weapons and get there. Instead, we drafted a QB high, let guys go... and basically broke up the team.

So, instead of (say) adding a pass-rusher or two, and trying to make one last push, we basically gave up. O4L questioned the logic, and was ridiculed pretty heavily.

Flash forward a few years.... the Broncos haven't had a winning season since. Our fancy 1st round pick turns out to be a bit of a head-case, our defense managed to get worse every year, and the end result... it cost Mike Shanahan his job.

Irony indeed. But, Mike made a decision... and probably wouldn't make any apologies for it. However, given the chance to go back and do things a bit differently, you have to wonder.


You never know how this stuff is going to play out, no matter how logical or illogical something may appear in the short term.

broncosteven
04-16-2009, 08:47 PM
he quit becuz they were gonna trade him after he came off a great season and was having a pretty good one... shannahan fumbled the ball and plummer got the short end of the stick. he flipped off the fans when they booed him and he had had enuf booing.

You should get a copy of Stefan Fatis's book "A few seconds of panic"

Read the last paragraph of page 231. That is the reason why Cutler was drafted.

If you go to page 317 you can read the following Jake quote "I don't want to be here every ****ing day in the offseason. You don't get any escape."

People say Cutler didn't want to be in Denver but Jake was the one who admitted to not wanting to be there and give his all for the team. That was while he was still a Bronco!

You are uninformed.

Jake had the worst year of his Bronco career in 2006, he was having a terrible year, his QB rating was 68.5 and he threw more INT's than TD's. The duche deserved to be cut not just benched.

I am guessing you are baiting me as your memories of 2006 are so far from what happened in reality.

Where's Plummer???
04-16-2009, 08:48 PM
i have opinions on this board that ppl dont agree with but i really dont care... i stick by my opinions and dont base them off of a 1 man can win it for ya attitude. hense one reason i think were actually a better team with orton than we were with cutler. not becuz ortons a better player but becuz hes a better team player. would it be nice if he had the arm of cutler? HELL YA! but i still feel with his lack of arm to cutler were a better team

broncosteven
04-16-2009, 08:58 PM
The irony in football is often stuff you couldn't make up if you had to.

Remember Orange4Life's epic meltdown after the Cutler pick? He's a great guy and a kick-ass fan, yet was almost run off the board because of his opinions on the matter. Some of the prodding may have been deserved, but he had an opinion... and stuck to it.

His opinion was that a team on the eve of a Superbowl might want to try to load up with a few more weapons and get there. Instead, we drafted a QB high, let guys go... and basically broke up the team.

So, instead of (say) adding a pass-rusher or two, and trying to make one last push, we basically gave up. O4L questioned the logic, and was ridiculed pretty heavily.

Flash forward a few years.... the Broncos haven't had a winning season since. Our fancy 1st round pick turns out to be a bit of a head-case, our defense managed to get worse every year, and the end result... it cost Mike Shanahan his job.

Irony indeed. But, Mike made a decision... and probably wouldn't make any apologies for it. However, given the chance to go back and do things a bit differently, you have to wonder.


You never know how this stuff is going to play out, no matter how logical or illogical something may appear in the short term.

I could go along with that argument if Jake wanted to be here. As I posted a few posts earlier Fatis documented that Jake didn't want to be in Denver getting better in the offseason.

Sure Shanny could have drafted a couple Defenders instead of Cutler but I can fully understand why he would not want to trust a player at the most important Offensive position who only decides to lead when he wants to. It's hard to lead the team when you are not there.

It sets a bad example for the young guys, Hey the Starting QB didn't go to all the workouts, why should I.

Jake forced Shanny's hand, people want to remember the fun stuff, the MOXIE having to make up a play because the real play was hosed or broke down.

The NFL is a game ruled by HC's, Jake knew the era of Johny U and Ray Berry drawing a play in the dirt were over. He knew Shanny was detailed oriented. If he didn't like it he should have gone to DA BEARS, they wanted him bad and he could have wrapped Wanny around his finger.

Anyway the way Shanny and Sunquist drafted in 2006 they would have probablly grabbed another Paul Tovessi and the pick would have been a bust.

At least we got a lot of Value for Cutler, lets hope the new FO doesn't hose up this draft.

Popps
04-16-2009, 08:58 PM
I am guessing you are baiting me as your memories of 2006 are so far from what happened in reality.

You're really hung up in 2006, and I get it... to an extent.

I think most people really think the team's transformation had already taken place, by that point. No upgrades on defense, guys like Trevor Pryce let go... and a QB controversy waiting to happen. Smith a year older, etc.

2006 was certainly a bad year for the team. Things fell apart, after a strong start. But, really... if we were going to do anything coming off of that AFCCG season, we needed some real upgrades on the DL that we never got. (Among other things.)

Hence, Shanahan "blew the team up"... and here we are.

Where's Plummer???
04-16-2009, 09:00 PM
You should get a copy of Stefan Fatis's book "A few seconds of panic"

Read the last paragraph of page 231. That is the reason why Cutler was drafted.

If you go to page 317 you can read the following Jake quote "I don't want to be here every ****ing day in the offseason. You don't get any escape."

People say Cutler didn't want to be in Denver but Jake was the one who admitted to not wanting to be there and give his all for the team. That was while he was still a Bronco!

You are uninformed.

Jake had the worst year of his Bronco career in 2006, he was having a terrible year, his QB rating was 68.5 and he threw more INT's than TD's. The duche deserved to be cut not just benched.

I am guessing you are baiting me as your memories of 2006 are so far from what happened in reality.

you realize before they benched jake we were 7-4... well within a playoff spot... then they put in jay and we went 7-5, 7-6, 8-6, 9-6, 9-7 i believe if we woulda kept jake in we woulda beat SD, ARI, CIN, and SF.... that woulda made us 11-5... 10-6 if we woulda lost one of em... which woulda put us in a wildcard spot.

broncosteven
04-16-2009, 09:07 PM
You guy are missing the point with Jake's comment. It wasn't that he didn't think he needed to study and prepare. His point was why do I need to study 150 pass plays when we're going to run 25-30 a game? His opinion is that it should have been Shanny's responsibility to game plan and identify say maybe 50 pass plays to work on as they would be the most likely to succeed against that particular defense that week.

Also the handball comments are ridiculous. Why does a guy have to play in the NFL until old age or injury (or both) knock him out? What's so wrong with a guy who's had his fill and now has other interests he'd like to pursue?

There's not one person on this board that doesn't envy Jake's position in life to have his health and be able to provide for his family and do whatever he wants whenever he wants. Sounds like a great life plan to me, even if the internet message boards say I "quit".

It is a published fact that Shanny had to pare down the O for Jake as it was.

Bitching about the # of plays is as bad as Curtis Conway bitching about Wanny working them too hard in the TC.

If Jake wanted to move on and start his handball career he should have just retired before the 2006 season when he did not attend the offseason workouts.

If you don't love it anymore leave it. Don't hurt the rest of the team and the fans by not caring.

It is great he moved on, it is too bad he didn't have enough desire or pride to take the drafting of Cutler as a challenge rather than acting as if he was slighted.

Competition is a fact of life at every position in the NFL.

Those that can't handle it get weeded out or quit.

broncosteven
04-16-2009, 09:08 PM
You're really hung up in 2006, and I get it... to an extent.

I think most people really think the team's transformation had already taken place, by that point. No upgrades on defense, guys like Trevor Pryce let go... and a QB controversy waiting to happen. Smith a year older, etc.

2006 was certainly a bad year for the team. Things fell apart, after a strong start. But, really... if we were going to do anything coming off of that AFCCG season, we needed some real upgrades on the DL that we never got. (Among other things.)

Hence, Shanahan "blew the team up"... and here we are.

I think it started in 2005. He had a couple good games but he had some terrible games as well.

I thought his best year was 2003 before he hurt his foot. He was hot that year.

broncosteven
04-16-2009, 09:16 PM
you realize before they benched jake we were 7-4... well within a playoff spot... then they put in jay and we went 7-5, 7-6, 8-6, 9-6, 9-7 i believe if we woulda kept jake in we woulda beat SD, ARI, CIN, and SF.... that woulda made us 11-5... 10-6 if we woulda lost one of em... which woulda put us in a wildcard spot.

Did you see the Thanksgiving game vs KFC?

If so do you remember that game?

I am guessing no.

Sure he had the pressure of knowing Cutler was breathing down his back but that was a winable game. KFC was one dimentional with LJ, Plummer kept turning over the ball and letting KFC pound the ball and run out the clock.

Jake only put up a total of 19 points vs KFC that year. The opening season game was a stinker also.

I honestly do not think they win another game all year due to Plummers poor play and the fading D the rest of that year.

Where's Plummer???
04-16-2009, 09:24 PM
Did you see the Thanksgiving game vs KFC?

If so do you remember that game?

I am guessing no.

Sure he had the pressure of knowing Cutler was breathing down his back but that was a winable game. KFC was one dimentional with LJ, Plummer kept turning over the ball and letting KFC pound the ball and run out the clock.

Jake only put up a total of 19 points vs KFC that year. The opening season game was a stinker also.

I honestly do not think they win another game all year due to Plummers poor play and the fading D the rest of that year.

isnt this a lil better? a good debate without taking jabs at each other?

but as far as plummer. KFC also went on to have a 9-7 record also. they played well that season so you have to give some credit to them. i still believe they coulda beat SD, who in that game played very relaxed we just failed to play like it mattered n/e more. ARI, who were just stinkin it up all yr n/e ways. CIN, also were stinkin it up. SF who i believe we matched up with VERY nicely and shoulda had that game but the lack of exp on cutlers side failed us in the last 2 minutes (bad clock management)

TDmvp
04-16-2009, 09:26 PM
regardless Jake is doing fine ...

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/3027/2107kollettejakew0066ro7.jpg
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/3067/2660kollettejakew0066eh2.jpg


Pretty sure that is the same deck he was sitting on today on Tv ...

Where's Plummer???
04-16-2009, 09:27 PM
we're bored and just talkin a lil **** before the draft. once the draft comes up everyone will argue rather or not we shoulda picked that guy

FADERPROOF
04-16-2009, 09:28 PM
Jake quit on the team. It is an established/published fact that he didn't want to lead this team. He didn't want to show up to all the team practices.

He flipped off the fans and was involved in more off field incidents than Cutler but people love him because he had Moxie.

Funny how Elsid pointed out the rest of the interview, the part that proved he didn't want to study or work to get better. He just wanted to play.

One cannot just go out and play until he has studied to his fullest.

If Jake had soild fundamentals and worked on throwing with proper footwork he could have just gone out and played. After teams took the boot away and forced him to throw from the pocket he was doomed, he knew it and moped more than Cutler ever did. He moped so much he quit the NFL for Handball, HANDBALL people!

I was at the game in the 2nd week vs SD when the crowd Booed the team, only time I remember that kind of booing of the Broncos. We won more games in 2005 because of others than because of Jake, before that I thought he contributed to more games than he did in 2005. When the playoffs rolled around Bad Jake appeared. Even vs Pats you could tell he was not having fun and felt the pressure. If Champ didn't bail him out again he would not have won a playoff game for us.

Some people, like Gene Kranz, thrive under pressure or can at least handle it. Jake self destructed under pressure.

So him claiming that he was up to the wee hours of the night watching films and learning plays every night meant that he wasn't studying to the fullest?

epicSocialism4tw
04-16-2009, 09:30 PM
Jake was a solid Bronco.

Nothin' but love for the brotha.

ludo21
04-16-2009, 09:38 PM
Jake was awesome for Denver and I am forever grateful he was here.

I hope he continues to have a great time with his life.

Some of the haters on here are ridiculous, I guess winning isnt as sexy as stats these days.

Where's Plummer???
04-16-2009, 09:39 PM
Jake was awesome for Denver and I am forever grateful he was here.

I hope he continues to have a great time with his life.

Some of the haters on here are ridiculous, I guess winning isnt as sexy as stats these days.

:thumbs:

FADERPROOF
04-16-2009, 09:39 PM
Says a lot about this upcoming season when we're all debating on the Jake Plummer tenure and what the team could've done differently...

Where's Plummer???
04-16-2009, 09:42 PM
Says a lot about this upcoming season when we're all debating on the Jake Plummer tenure and what the team could've done differently...

i believe we'll have a good season. i see alot of good leadership in orton that we've been lacking since plummer left. maybe he'll take the team out for dinner like jake did?

FADERPROOF
04-16-2009, 09:45 PM
i believe we'll have a good season. i see alot of good leadership in orton that we've been lacking since plummer left. maybe he'll take the team out for dinner like jake did?

I hope so, though it may not matter how Orton plays, need to shore up the D(to say the least) and our schedule from week 4-12 is running a gauntlet.

epicSocialism4tw
04-16-2009, 11:10 PM
Says a lot about this upcoming season when we're all debating on the Jake Plummer tenure and what the team could've done differently...

Im glad I dont have season tickets or I would be pretty disappointed in my investment.

Since the Elway crew left, the team has suffered mismanagement after mismanagement. Shanny built some momentum behind Plummer, Rod Smith, Al Wilson, Lynch, and Champ Bailey...but then they threw all of that away for Jay Cutler...then they threw all of that away for Josh McDaniels.

Pretty disheartening as a Broncos fan.

bpc
04-17-2009, 12:56 AM
I love hearing that Mike Shanahan expected 100% all the time and that killed his love for the game. Ha ha.

Thanks for the memories Jake. Shanny MADE you into a winner but you still piss and moan about him.

El Guapo
04-17-2009, 05:48 AM
Plummer > Orton > Simms

That's for damn sure. LOL

fontaine
04-17-2009, 06:12 AM
Plummer > Orton > Simms

That's for damn sure. LOL


Does Orton only see one half of the field? Is he too dumb to understand most of the playbook? Can he only function on gimmick roll out plays?

If the answer is no, the Orton already is more of a QB than Plummer ever was.

DrFate
04-17-2009, 06:18 AM
I've been waiting for Rome to go away for YEARS.

QFT

DrFate
04-17-2009, 06:20 AM
If the answer is no, the Orton already is more of a QB than Plummer ever was.

How quickly they forget the Broncos competing in the AFC champtionship game with Plummer at the helm...

fontaine
04-17-2009, 06:28 AM
How quickly they forget the Broncos competing in the AFC champtionship game with Plummer at the helm...

Believe me, it would be great if I could forget the 5 turnovers from Plummer and the crappy job our defense did, but then again there would be too many other pressure games like season openers, other important games where Plummer sh*t the bed with his lame a$$ turnovers.

Even in his best season Plummer was nothing more than a Kordell Stewart. A basic QB that could play well as long as you didn't ask him to do too much while the D and running game took over but then he promptly crapped himself against playoff caliber defenses.

Plummer = Kordell Stewart

elsid13
04-17-2009, 06:33 AM
I love hearing that Mike Shanahan expected 100% all the time and that killed his love for the game. Ha ha.

Thanks for the memories Jake. Shanny MADE you into a winner but you still piss and moan about him.

Plummer was never a guy that wanted to be a professional football player. He was a guy that was collegiate QB that couldn't play there any more and forced himself to continue to play football even when he wasn't truly into it.

spdirty
04-17-2009, 07:20 AM
I miss Larry Coyers defense. I liked winning.

fixed it for you.:wave:

USMCBladerunner
04-17-2009, 07:38 AM
misses and respects are two different things .

I am was and always will be a BIG Jake fan ... But I would rather have Cutler at Qb . or someone with Jay's skill set .

this.

I have mad respect for Jake, and think he retired too early, but Cutler is a better QB in the NFL.

epicSocialism4tw
04-17-2009, 07:39 AM
Believe me, it would be great if I could forget the 5 turnovers from Plummer and the crappy job our defense did, but then again there would be too many other pressure games like season openers, other important games where Plummer sh*t the bed with his lame a$$ turnovers.

Even in his best season Plummer was nothing more than a Kordell Stewart. A basic QB that could play well as long as you didn't ask him to do too much while the D and running game took over but then he promptly crapped himself against playoff caliber defenses.

Plummer = Kordell Stewart

Weird.

Those two guys were quite different. I dont think that Kordell Stewart holds any of the Steelers' passing records.

rovolution
04-17-2009, 07:44 AM
How quickly they forget the Broncos competing in the AFC champtionship game with Plummer at the helm...

if by competing you mean 5 turnovers, then we most def. competed that day.

400HZ
04-17-2009, 07:48 AM
You gotta admit that those Plummer-lead teams were always tough and driven to win. You gotta respect the guy for walking away when it stopped being fun for him. Not many athletes are willing to do that.

I don't think its really fair to him how many people hold 2006 against him. Coming off his best year, Shanahan cut his nuts off. Plus you fans were a bunch of dicks to him. :giggle:

epicSocialism4tw
04-17-2009, 07:55 AM
You gotta admit that those Plummer-lead teams were always tough and driven to win. You gotta respect the guy for walking away when it stopped being fun for him. Not many athletes are willing to do that.

I don't think its really fair to him how many people hold 2006 against him. Coming off his best year, Shanahan cut his nuts off. Plus you fans were a bunch of ***** to him. :giggle:

No doubt. Pretty silly, eh?

montrose
04-17-2009, 07:56 AM
I never thought Plummer sucked to the levels that people made him out to until that 2006 season. He wasn't a top QB by any means, but some people had you thinking he was a bottom-tier QB which just wasn't true.

Mountain Bronco
04-17-2009, 08:40 AM
Dude had a winners mentality on Sunday, something you can't say about everyone. Sounds like Monday through Saturday was his problem.

fontaine
04-17-2009, 08:53 AM
I don't think its really fair to him how many people hold 2006 against him. Coming off his best year, Shanahan cut his nuts off. Plus you fans were a bunch of ***** to him. :giggle:


Nah, it's not just 2006, it's pretty much every season Plummer had in the league where he constantly threw ints, made bad decisions and improvised out there apart from one season in 2005 when he actually worked his tail off in the offseason.

But I understand the need to hold onto that one season when you've had guys like Griese, Beurlein etc at QB.

gunns
04-17-2009, 11:08 AM
Yea I agree .... NO IDEA why any Bronco fan would hate Jake , and even with some doing it he still act classy about the city and team ...

Never did hate him, just glad he's not the Broncos QB anymore.

broncosteven
04-17-2009, 11:48 AM
Dude had a winners mentality on Sunday, something you can't say about everyone. Sounds like Monday through Saturday was his problem.

I like this post, it kinda distilled Jakes Moxie essence.

I would add Playoff games and 1st games of the year to Monday through Saturday though.

broncofan2438
04-17-2009, 11:53 AM
Actually a great interview.....Right on about the Cutler comments.....Jay should have never wanted out

Broncobuddy7
04-17-2009, 11:59 AM
I do kind of miss Jake. I def. don't miss the Grizzly Adams beard though. If Cutler had half Plummer's brain he wouldn't have forced a trade. And that's saying a lot because Jake was clotheslined by his dog.

broncosteven
04-17-2009, 12:00 PM
isnt this a lil better? a good debate without taking jabs at each other?

but as far as plummer. KFC also went on to have a 9-7 record also. they played well that season so you have to give some credit to them. i still believe they coulda beat SD, who in that game played very relaxed we just failed to play like it mattered n/e more. ARI, who were just stinkin it up all yr n/e ways. CIN, also were stinkin it up. SF who i believe we matched up with VERY nicely and shoulda had that game but the lack of exp on cutlers side failed us in the last 2 minutes (bad clock management)

BAD CLOCK MANAGEMENT? CUTLER THREW A TD TO SHEFF TO SEND THE GAME INTO OT! WTF game were you watching?

You really do not remember what really happend that year do you? did you watch the games start to finish or did you just watch the news after the games?

I was at the SF game, you can pin the loss on 2 people.

1 - Foster - Foster was manhandled at RT and Cutler payed for it.

If Foster doesn't allow multiple shots on Cutler, the last causing a concussion then we win that game easily.

2) Plummer - Jake came into the game in relief. This game is the main reason for why I dispise Jake. He came in and throws an illadvised INT. He had Walker at first I watched it develop down field but he held on to the ball way too long which gave the 2nd safety time to come over and make the INT.

Jake was standing there after the naked boot just holding the ball. I guess he wanted it to be some glorious TD to go out on a high note but instead it was a pick that evened his career TD to INT #'s.

Then Mike Bell breaks off his longest run of the game and Shanny is too afraid of MOXIEMAN throwing another pick they ran it and even called a QB draw on 3rd and goal from the 12 because he didn't wnat him throwing the ball!

They should have got a TD on that drive I think Elam missed a FG that game I am not sure if that was the one or not.

Then in the 2nd quarter Shanny was forced to put a QB with a concussion back out on the field and he throws a pic 6.

Cutler came back to tie the game on a great drive late throwing the TD to SHEFF.

You could tell Cutler was off as a lot of his passes on square in's to Marshall were low in the 1st drive of OT. Then Frank Gore punished the D into submission and game over.

Get your facts right man!

Jason in LA
04-17-2009, 01:54 PM
I heard a portion of the interview today, and now I can see why Jake could never totally got it together. The guy needs to understand that he isn't playing rec league football, or in pickup games. It's the NFL!!! I'd hate to hear a QB say that he has a problem with a team practicing 120 plays, when they'll only have 60 in the game plan. Or complain about having to study late, or that his coach got on him in practice and demanded perfection. Well, that's what coaches do! Like Jake said, he loved playing football, but didn't really care for all that went into being a football QB. I'm sure Peyton Manning is somewhere watching game tape right now. Every elite QB puts in the time. They put in crazy hours studying and working on their craft.

I can appreciate Jake's free spirit. I'd say that in life, that's the way to go. Enjoy yourself. But I don't want to hear that **** from an NFL QB. Be a free spirit on your own time. You're paid a boat load of money and there is a lot that comes with that. Seems like Jake loved to compete, but he didn't love to do the work that goes into making an elite QB. That's probably why he could never totally got it together. I'm sure he worked hard, but if you don't really love the work, then you just aren't going to get the results as somebody who really does love the work. You aren't going to put your all into it. I don't think Jake wanted it bad enough. If he did then he wouldn't have complained about the workload. He would have gone that extra mile that's needed, and he probably would have gotten better results.

broncosteven
04-17-2009, 01:59 PM
I heard a portion of the interview today, and now I can see why Jake could never totally got it together. The guy needs to understand that he isn't playing rec league football, or in pickup games. It's the NFL!!! I'd hate to hear a QB say that he has a problem with a team practicing 120 plays, when they'll only have 60 in the game plan. Or complain about having to study late, or that his coach got on him in practice and demanded perfection. Well, that's what coaches do! Like Jake said, he loved playing football, but didn't really care for all that went into being a football QB. I'm sure Peyton Manning is somewhere watching game tape right now. Every elite QB puts in the time. They put in crazy hours studying and working on their craft.

I can appreciate Jake's free spirit. I'd say that in life, that's the way to go. Enjoy yourself. But I don't want to hear that **** from an NFL QB. Be a free spirit on your own time. You're paid a boat load of money and there is a lot that comes with that. Seems like Jake loved to compete, but he didn't love to do the work that goes into making an elite QB. That's probably why he could never totally got it together. I'm sure he worked hard, but if you don't really love the work, then you just aren't going to get the results as somebody who really does love the work. You aren't going to put your all into it. I don't think Jake wanted it bad enough. If he did then he wouldn't have complained about the workload. He would have gone that extra mile that's needed, and he probably would have gotten better results.


I am glad I am not the only one that feels this way.

You know you are now going to be called a hater and people will revise the facts to bend their arguments Jakes way even if things didn't really happen the way they think they remember them.

Jason in LA
04-17-2009, 02:06 PM
One more thing on Plummer's point that he didn't see the need to practice all those plays when they weren't going to use them in the game.

In the '97 AFC Championship game at Pittsburgh, late in the game the Broncos were trying to kill the clock so the Steelers couldn't have a final drive to tie or win the game. It was like 3rd and 7, and a first down would pretty much end the game. If they had gotten stopped the Steelers would have gotten the ball back with decent field position and time on the clock.

The way I remember Elway or Sharpe tell the story, Elway changed the play in the huddle and called a play that wasn't installed into that week's playbook. Sharpe yells back to him, "that's not in the playbook." Elway shouted back at him, telling him just to go with it. He then hits Sharpe for the first down, they go to the Super Bowl, and then shock the world.

The point is that they must have practiced that play over and over even though it wasn't going to be used that week. Maybe the play was only used in half the games that year. But by practicing a boat load of plays, it gives you more plays to choose from, and if a play just pops up, everybody knows how to run it.

Jake obviously didn't get that. That's why he was really good at times, but just couldn't be good all the time. He certainly had the talent and ability to be great, but it appears that he had a lack of preparation, which is why he came up lame so much.

broncosteven
04-17-2009, 02:24 PM
One more thing on Plummer's point that he didn't see the need to practice all those plays when they weren't going to use them in the game.

In the '97 AFC Championship game at Pittsburgh, late in the game the Broncos were trying to kill the clock so the Steelers couldn't have a final drive to tie or win the game. It was like 3rd and 7, and a first down would pretty much end the game. If they had gotten stopped the Steelers would have gotten the ball back with decent field position and time on the clock.

The way I remember Elway or Sharpe tell the story, Elway changed the play in the huddle and called a play that wasn't installed into that week's playbook. Sharpe yells back to him, "that's not in the playbook." Elway shouted back at him, telling him just to go with it. He then hits Sharpe for the first down, they go to the Super Bowl, and then shock the world.

The point is that they must have practiced that play over and over even though it wasn't going to be used that week. Maybe the play was only used in half the games that year. But by practicing a boat load of plays, it gives you more plays to choose from, and if a play just pops up, everybody knows how to run it.

Jake obviously didn't get that. That's why he was really good at times, but just couldn't be good all the time. He certainly had the talent and ability to be great, but it appears that he had a lack of preparation, which is why he came up lame so much.


Great point

Jake would have used his MOXIE to run around looking cool and stuff only to make a throw off his back foot into the arms of a Steeler CB and make a half hearted attempt at a tackle as the Steeler returned it for a TD.

But it would have been full of MOXIE and Swagger.

Taco John
04-17-2009, 03:44 PM
"The game and playing was a lot of fun - but nowadays, all the stuff that goes along with it - it got to be a little too much for me."

"Demanding perfection from players is ok, but to demand it non-stop, no matter what you're doing - it gets a little bit relentless at times... He was searching for perfection constantly, and it just didn't mesh with me."



Watching that interview... What a whiner. So glad he's gone.

baja
04-17-2009, 03:47 PM
It's becoming clear alot of Broncos players are glad Shanahan is gone.

Taco John
04-17-2009, 03:47 PM
One more thing on Plummer's point that he didn't see the need to practice all those plays when they weren't going to use them in the game.

In the '97 AFC Championship game at Pittsburgh, late in the game the Broncos were trying to kill the clock so the Steelers couldn't have a final drive to tie or win the game. It was like 3rd and 7, and a first down would pretty much end the game. If they had gotten stopped the Steelers would have gotten the ball back with decent field position and time on the clock.

The way I remember Elway or Sharpe tell the story, Elway changed the play in the huddle and called a play that wasn't installed into that week's playbook. Sharpe yells back to him, "that's not in the playbook." Elway shouted back at him, telling him just to go with it. He then hits Sharpe for the first down, they go to the Super Bowl, and then shock the world.

The point is that they must have practiced that play over and over even though it wasn't going to be used that week. Maybe the play was only used in half the games that year. But by practicing a boat load of plays, it gives you more plays to choose from, and if a play just pops up, everybody knows how to run it.

Jake obviously didn't get that. That's why he was really good at times, but just couldn't be good all the time. He certainly had the talent and ability to be great, but it appears that he had a lack of preparation, which is why he came up lame so much.


Jake wanted to go out and "just play." That was fine for "just games." But when the game was important, Jake proved again and again that he didn't have the tools to be a winner.

frerottenextelway
04-17-2009, 04:03 PM
"The game and playing was a lot of fun - but nowadays, all the stuff that goes along with it - it got to be a little too much for me."

"Demanding perfection from players is ok, but to demand it non-stop, no matter what you're doing - it gets a little bit relentless at times... He was searching for perfection constantly, and it just didn't mesh with me."



Watching that interview... What a whiner. So glad he's gone.

That quote sounds like something Jeff George would say.

outdoor_miner
04-17-2009, 04:09 PM
I can appreciate Jake's free spirit. I'd say that in life, that's the way to go. Enjoy yourself. But I don't want to hear that **** from an NFL QB.

Good post. I'm conflicted on Jake. As a quarterback, he never lived up to his potential. I think he just didn't love football enough to put in the extra time. As a fan of the Broncos, I want my quarterback to be the best he can possibly be, and I don't think Jake did that.

However, I can relate to his attitude much more than someone like Peyton Manning. These guys like Manning and Shanahan are friggin nuts. They have no lives outside their professions. 80 hour weeks. No time for family, friends, experiencing life... I just can't identify with that.

Furthermore, Jake seemed like a great teammate. Other players seemed to love him. He worked his ass off on Sundays. Stood up for Pat Tillman. He was not "scripted"... Just a free spirit.

Overall, he was one of my favorite Broncos, but I think his time had run it's course as the qb of the Denver Broncos by the time he was benched.

Jason in LA
04-17-2009, 04:13 PM
Thinking about it some more, I'm kind of pissed after hearing Jake's comments. The Broncos had some damn good teams when he was there. A really good D and running game. But they had a QB that, judging by his comments, wasn't putting in the work.

People with his point of view tend to cut corners, and Jake probably did. That hurts the team. If he had put in the time watching game film maybe he would have made better reads. Maybe his completion percentage would be higher, and he throws less picks, which would have really helped this team. Because the team wasn't far off. But those teams were wasted on a guy that didn't want to pay the price. He had no problem cashing the checks and being put in a position to be the starter on some really good teams, but he didn't care enough. He did a disservice to the entire team. I have a major problem with that.

The elite QBs are gym rats. They strive for perfection. The practice little things over and over. They workout like crazy. They watch film like crazy. But the Broncos had a QB that didn't want to do that. He just wanted to play. Sorry, but the NFL doesn't work like that. You can do that to some extent in high school and college, but in the NFL, even the bad teams are good. You can't take any team for granted.

I couldn't imagine Manning, Brady, or any other elite QB having the attitude that Jake had. Makes me think that if the Broncos had a QB who was willing to give everything that he had to prepare for the games, maybe they would have won a Super Bowl. Because they had the defense, running game, and receivers for it.

ro_50
04-17-2009, 04:15 PM
I know a lot of people on this forum like Jake's competitive nature and how he played hard but what gets me is what the others mentioned, he didn't care enough to become the best QB he could be. I know football is just a game but if I were a QB and has Jake's abilities, I would try my best to become the best QB I could be, like most of us do in our profession of choice.


And while I love Jake's free-spirit nature, he's a whiner and baby when it came to competing for a job.

For the first time in his NFL career, he was a backup and what he did, he retired and took the easy way out because he felt he was screwed over by Shanny for his preference to have Cutler play. Facts are facts, Jake struggled in 06 before getting benched.

So instead of him working his rear end off as a Tampa Bay Buc and try to reclaim a starting position, he retired.

It's not coincidence he retired the first time in his NFL career he wasn't a starter and actually had to beat out others for a starting job.

He didn't want to work at it to become a starter again after it was taken away, so he retired.

That's my opinion on it and it may sound outlandish but oh well!!

Abqbronco
04-17-2009, 05:06 PM
QFT

I understand Rome being irritating but he is extremely easy to ignore. I really never understand the hate for him. Just don't listen. It's easy.

broncofan7
04-17-2009, 05:10 PM
I would take Jake Plummer over Orton or Simms any ****ING DAY OF THE WEEK. I was really hoping that when Jake came to visit Broncos HQ a few months ago he was thinking of coming out of retirement.......so much for me hoping........

Where's Plummer???
04-17-2009, 05:56 PM
funny... alot of the good things you guys are saying about plummer i remember were just the opposite the other day... now that more ppl are speking up on the like for plummer you guys "all of a sudden" change some of your opinions... but w/e. idc im personally a fan and would love if he decided to come back and play.

TDmvp
04-17-2009, 06:19 PM
Little Update ...

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4078255




Plummer to coach high school in Idaho


SANDPOINT, Idaho -- Former NFL quarterback Jake Plummer (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=1177) will be the quarterbacks coach at Sandpoint High School this season, coach Mike Mitchell said.
Plummer, who lives in the resort town, will be paid as a normal assistant coach, Mitchell said.
"It will not be as much as NFL pay," Mitchell said.
A native of Boise, Idaho, Plummer played at Arizona State and for the Arizona Cardinals (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=ari) and Denver Broncos (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=den) before retiring in 2006. He threw for more than 29,000 yards with 161 touchdowns and 161 interceptions in his decade-long pro career.
Plummer retired to Sandpoint, an outdoor mecca in the Rocky Mountains along the shores of Lake Pend Oreille. His brother, Eric, also lives in the town.
"He wants to help out as much as he can and help the kids of the community," Mitchell said. "He's a great guy."

Lidderer
04-17-2009, 07:15 PM
awesome that we drafted that bears qb to replace him

Jason in LA
04-18-2009, 07:18 AM
funny... alot of the good things you guys are saying about plummer i remember were just the opposite the other day... now that more ppl are speking up on the like for plummer you guys "all of a sudden" change some of your opinions... but w/e. idc im personally a fan and would love if he decided to come back and play.

Who has changed their opinion? If he comes back let him go somewhere else. I don't care for a QB who isn't going to put in the work.

Jason in LA
04-18-2009, 07:21 AM
Little Update ...

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4078255




Plummer to coach high school in Idaho


SANDPOINT, Idaho -- Former NFL quarterback Jake Plummer (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=1177) will be the quarterbacks coach at Sandpoint High School this season, coach Mike Mitchell said.
Plummer, who lives in the resort town, will be paid as a normal assistant coach, Mitchell said.
"It will not be as much as NFL pay," Mitchell said.
A native of Boise, Idaho, Plummer played at Arizona State and for the Arizona Cardinals (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=ari) and Denver Broncos (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=den) before retiring in 2006. He threw for more than 29,000 yards with 161 touchdowns and 161 interceptions in his decade-long pro career.
Plummer retired to Sandpoint, an outdoor mecca in the Rocky Mountains along the shores of Lake Pend Oreille. His brother, Eric, also lives in the town.
"He wants to help out as much as he can and help the kids of the community," Mitchell said. "He's a great guy."

Those kids will probably love it. They won't have a coach who will make them practice the same thing over and over, or push them to give it their all. But on the flip side, they probably won't amount to much because they won't have a coach pushing them to be great.