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rugbythug
04-15-2009, 08:10 AM
Krieger: Strong start, but what an ending
By Dave Krieger
The Denver Post
Posted: 04/15/2009 12:30:00 AM MDT

Based on anguished warnings of the coming apocalypse, you might have expected this year's Broncos schedule to look something like Napoleon's invasion of Russia in 1812.

In fact, it's not that bad. Napoleon didn't get to start with the Bengals.

Week 1 at Cincinnati: The Bengals should have Carson Palmer back, but they're still the Bengals. Chad Ocho Cinco gets excessive celebration penalties after all three of his catches and Kyle Orton earns his first win as a Bronco, 33-27. (1-0)

Week 2 vs. Cleveland: Despite several hundred teenage girls demanding Josh McDaniels acquire Brady Quinn, the Broncos' veteran secondary picks off the hapless matinee idol three times and Orton gets his second win, 31-20. Broncomania is back. (2-0)

Week 3 at Oakland: At the last minute, Al Davis writes several fly patterns for Cliff Branch into the game plan. The Broncos escape the Black Hole with a 27-24 victory, but McDaniels' hoodie is stained by a substance he cannot identify. Mayor Hickenlooper holds a parade. (3-0)

Week 4 vs. Dallas: Having watched his team fall to 1-2, Jerry Jones announces he will fire Wade Phillips and hire Mike Shanahan if the Cowboys lose to the surprising Broncos. Felix Jones and Marion Barber combine for 220 yards rushing and Phillips' job is saved, 38-20. Shanahan continues to supervise construction of Shanahangri-La in Cherry Hills Village. (3-1)

Week 5 vs. New England: Bill Belichick is 6-2 against former assistants Eric Mangini and Romeo Crennel. A healthy Tom Brady initiates McDaniels into this club, retiring after three quarters with a 42-10 lead. Defensive end Richard Seymour says Orton is no Matt Cassel. (3-2)

Week 6 at San Diego: Philip Rivers admits he misses his snit fits with Jay Cutler, but playing only three quarters in a 35-13 win makes up for it. McDaniels says the bye week is coming at an excellent time. (3-3)

Week 7 Bye: The Broncos' defense gives up only 10 points.

Week 8 at Baltimore: Orton earns his Chicago nickname Captain Checkdown by throwing every pass to Correll Buckhalter or J.J. Arrington. Both hobble off after hits by Ray Lewis. Ravens roll, 24-0. McDaniels says the defense is improving. (3-4)

Week 9 vs. Pittsburgh: Willie Parker breaks Corey Dillon's rushing record against the Broncos by a single yard. Ben Roethlisberger throws 12 passes. The Steelers win 31-10. Afterward, McDaniels refers to Orton as "the player." (3-5)

Week 10 at Washington: Clinton Portis rushes for 140 yards in a blue granny wig. Champ Bailey says he kinda misses the Redskins. Chris Simms replaces Orton at halftime. Redskins roll, 28-10. (3-6)

Week 11 vs. San Diego: Darren Sproles rushes for 200 yards, but the Broncos keep it close, losing 23-17. McDaniels says the offense is improving. (3-7)

Week 12 vs. New York Giants: Before the game, McDaniels asks Brandon Jacobs if he has ever considered playing nose tackle. Jacobs rushes for 180 yards and the Giants win 35-16. Pat Bowlen says McDaniels is doing "a heckuva job under the circumstances." (3-8)

Week 13 at Kansas City: McDaniels reminisces with Cassel and Scott Pioli before the game. The temperature is 5 below. Chiefs win, 13-3. (3-9)

Week 14 at Indianapolis: With all of his running backs injured, McDaniels offers to sign Tatum Bell, who is again selling mobile phones. Bell's only condition is that McDaniels put him in his fave five. Colts win, 31-17. (3-10)

Week 15 vs. Oakland: Despite the 10-game losing streak, McDaniels says the season is a success if the Broncos sweep the hated Raiders. Davis inserts several late plays for Mark van Eeghen, and Orton, subbing for the injured Simms, beats the Raiders again, 20-12. (4-10)

Week 16 at Philadelphia: Brian Dawkins is greeted as a returning hero and says he never really wanted to leave Philly. On their annual late playoff push, the Eagles win, 24-9. (4-11)

Week 17 vs. Kansas City: The Broncos' season comes down to the big rematch against Cassel for last place. In the snow, the Broncos prevail, 6-2. Elvis Dumervil says Cassel is no Kyle Orton. (5-11)

Afterward, McDaniels mentions that Rome wasn't built in a day. "We started fast and we finished strong," he says, "so we met two of our preseason goals."

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_12144101

I know I am homerly and all. But really that is what sports off seasons are all about. But this is just ridiculous.

cousinal11
04-15-2009, 08:12 AM
Sounds about right.

GoHAM
04-15-2009, 08:19 AM
Would you have prefered he predict 16-0 and a Super Bowl?

At least 5-11 is realistic.

Myself, I'm leaning more towards the 7-9 to 9-7 range.

tsiguy96
04-15-2009, 08:20 AM
people here honestly believe that we will go on a 10 game losing streak? i mean, honestly?

thats damn near impossible to do in hte NFL, we havent see the draft, minicamps or preseason yet, how stupid do you have to be to judge this team with all the doom and gloom?

broncofan7
04-15-2009, 08:21 AM
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_12144101

I know I am homerly and all. But really that is what sports off seasons are all about. But this is just ridiculous.

Get ready to have your 'homerly' anticipation crushed by reality ............

rugbythug
04-15-2009, 08:21 AM
Sounds about right.

But is it a story? Or is the sports section and the editorial section merging? It is pure conjecture and a lame attempt at that. Looks like a Cut n Paste Bronco Buff post.

rugbythug
04-15-2009, 08:24 AM
Get ready to have your 'homerly' anticipation crushed by reality ............

It was just a lazy article. He could have posted a feature matchup that looked good. Or a Reason to watch or not watch. Instead he just took last seasons power rankings held them up to the screen and marked the broncos down for a loss against anyone whose number was higher.

barryr
04-15-2009, 08:26 AM
So in others words, Krieger thinks the defense will be as bad as ever this year. So having Cutler would make this a playoff team though?

Irish Stout
04-15-2009, 08:40 AM
But is it a story? Or is the sports section and the editorial section merging? It is pure conjecture and a lame attempt at that. Looks like a Cut n Paste Bronco Buff post.

Man you get this kind of thing every single off season every single year in almost every single major newspaper. If you're really surprised by it, then I suggest you just quit reading the sports sections in newspapers. Half baked and half assed predictions are part of the reason many people love sports. They do this in the USA Today, the NY Times, the Washington Post, and its definitely not the first time its been in the DP.

loborugger
04-15-2009, 08:47 AM
I think this article, as much as anything, captures the deflated and shoulder-dropped mental state of the Bronco fans after a tough winter quite nicely. New coaches, new systems, going to a 3 - 4, Orton under center vs Cutler...

I dont think too many are expecting greatness this year.

Taco John
04-15-2009, 08:51 AM
I won'er how Broncos fans would react to that kind of season.

SoDak Bronco
04-15-2009, 08:51 AM
We Are Going To Struggle Next Year...tough Times Ahead

loborugger
04-15-2009, 08:59 AM
I won'er how Broncos fans would react to that kind of season.

In a nutshell, this place will suck.

Hercules Rockefeller
04-15-2009, 08:59 AM
I won'er how Broncos fans would react to that kind of season.

Lots of "See, see" posts that say the Broncos should have bent over and allowed Cutler to do whatever he wanted just to appease his hurt feelings.

5-11 is realistic, this team doesn't appear to be that good and doesn't deserve any benefit of the doubt at this point.

BroncoInSkinland
04-15-2009, 09:01 AM
Hey, nice to see an optomistic writer. I doubt we will sweep the Raiders, and would say one of those Cleveland/Cincy games will be an L. But other than that pretty close. 3-13 could swing up to 5-11 I guess, but I won't be holding my breath. On the up side the Denver D only giving up 10 points during the bye week made me chuckle. Give him his paycheck and tell him unless he starts getting in line with the Broncos press release they will put him on a terrorist watch list like all the right to lifers and returning war veterans. He may even have to pay for his own health care.

no-pseudo-fan
04-15-2009, 09:07 AM
I think that we will get both of the Clev and Cinn games, sweep the Raiders and the Chiefs. I really don't know what the team is going to look like, but the middle of the schedule will break us or forge us together. We will see.

Smiling Assassin27
04-15-2009, 09:18 AM
Sadly, Krieg's been paid for worse.

baja
04-15-2009, 09:22 AM
If any of these reporters were thinking they would go interview several of the players that were cut by McD and we might get some true insight as to what Cutler was thought of in the locker room etc...

lex
04-15-2009, 09:25 AM
He should have mentioned what happens to the attendance during that chronology. If the sellout streak ends, Bowlen is going to have to take it to his grave. And to think some were saying that Bowlen was trying to make it into the hall of fame as an owner by "proving" he could be pro-active and do it without Shanahan.

Between trading Cutler and possibly jeopardizing the sellout streak, Bowlen has really boxed himself in.

lex
04-15-2009, 09:32 AM
So in others words, Krieger thinks the defense will be as bad as ever this year. So having Cutler would make this a playoff team though?


You really shouldnt deviate from his terms.

Where's Plummer???
04-15-2009, 09:36 AM
Week 5 vs. New England: Bill Belichick is 6-2 against former assistants Eric Mangini and Romeo Crennel. A healthy Tom Brady initiates McDaniels into this club, retiring after three quarters with a 42-10 lead. Defensive end Richard Seymour says Orton is no Matt Cassel. (3-2)


i believe this game will be a bit closer if not a W for us... orton can manage a game better than 10 points and the running game should take off this year...

Week 7 Bye: The Broncos' defense gives up only 10 points.


LMAO!!!

Taco John
04-15-2009, 09:36 AM
In a nutshell, this place will suck.


I'm not talking about this place. Any online Broncos forum is going to be split until we win. I'm talking about how they react at the stadium - ticket sales, crowd conduct, etc.

Old Dude
04-15-2009, 09:38 AM
As far as the article goes, it was a nice demonstration of an oddity in the schedule - which is that the hardest games seem to be clustered in the middle.

But we all know from experience that things change. Some of the powerhouses on the schedule will not live up to expectations, and some of the weaker teams will turn out better than expected. On top of that, it's virtually certain that there will be upsets along the way. Sometime during the season Denver will beat at least one team that it should have no business beating and they will lose at least one game that they should have won.

As far as the overall record goes, it does look like a tough schedule. As far as I'm concerned, McDaniels is completely unproven. I'm not excited about Orton. I'm almost certain the offense will have a dropoff in production. Nor do I see anything to be very excited about on defense. I think it will improve at least a little, but probably not enough to offset the loss in production.

Realistically, I'm expecting a top-ten pick in next year's draft. (And it won't be the Bears pick.)

rugbythug
04-15-2009, 09:39 AM
How could the Defense be worse. I really don't think it is possible.

lex
04-15-2009, 09:42 AM
I'm not talking about this place. Any online Broncos forum is going to be split until we win. I'm talking about how they react at the stadium - ticket sales, crowd conduct, etc.

Ive often wondered this too. It will probably be as ugly as this place gets at times. Youll have a lot of people who hate the current regime booing and holding up banners and then youll have those that get offended by this and there will probably be a lot of confrontations in the stands. Its going to be ugly.

Where's Plummer???
04-15-2009, 09:42 AM
As far as the overall record goes, it does look like a tough schedule. As far as I'm concerned, McDaniels is completely unproven. I'm not excited about Orton. I'm almost certain the offense will have a dropoff in production. Nor do I see anything to be very excited about on defense. I think it will improve at least a little, but probably not enough to offset the loss in production.



i agree with McD bein unproven... and yes orton does have the arm but he has the heart and what it takes to get a team rallied around him. that and the same aspect the steelers take (less gun more spread out love) it works and i believe we will be close to the same kind of ordeal... or atleast im hopin

Hercules Rockefeller
04-15-2009, 09:44 AM
He should have mentioned what happens to the attendance during that chronology. If the sellout streak ends, Bowlen is going to have to take it to his grave. And to think some were saying that Bowlen was trying to make it into the hall of fame as an owner by "proving" he could be pro-active and do it without Shanahan.

Between trading Cutler and possibly jeopardizing the sellout streak, Bowlen has really boxed himself in.

Single game tickets go on sale in July, this season will be sold out before August.

Try again.

The MVPlaya
04-15-2009, 09:55 AM
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_12144101

I know I am homerly and all. But really that is what sports off seasons are all about. But this is just ridiculous.

Is that Obama in your avatar?

:rofl:

lex
04-15-2009, 10:03 AM
Single game tickets go on sale in July, this season will be sold out before August.

Try again.


We'll see. You might be right. The waiting list is long enough that people wont want to miss out because they anticipate outliving McDaniels as a coach or Bowlen as an owner. On the other hand, that also just goes to show how badly Bowlen would have blundered if he fumbles the sellout streak whether its this year or whatever. At the very least, seeing a stadium "sold out" but with 20,000 empty seats cant be good either.

rugbythug
04-15-2009, 10:08 AM
Is that Obama in your avatar?

:rofl:

Pretty Sweet :thanku:

rugbythug
04-15-2009, 10:09 AM
We'll see. You might be right. The waiting list is long enough that people wont want to miss out because they anticipate outliving McDaniels as a coach or Bowlen as an owner. On the other hand, that also just goes to show how badly Bowlen would have blundered if he fumbles the sellout streak whether its this year or whatever. At the very least, seeing a stadium "sold out" but with 20,000 empty seats cant be good either.

Lex your glass is always half full of Blood.

loborugger
04-15-2009, 10:26 AM
I'm not talking about this place. Any online Broncos forum is going to be split until we win. I'm talking about how they react at the stadium - ticket sales, crowd conduct, etc.


Ya, it will be interesting. I think the "I've been a fan since 97" will disappear. The older fans will hang on. The crowd at the games will change and probably get older. The problem is that Denver has such an influx of population from everywhere else... But the old Orange Crush 77 fans will always be there.

lex
04-15-2009, 10:37 AM
Ya, it will be interesting. I think the "I've been a fan since 97" will disappear. The older fans will hang on. The crowd at the games will change and probably get older. The problem is that Denver has such an influx of population from everywhere else... But the old Orange Crush 77 fans will always be there.


This whole notion of what a true fan has really been evident with Cubs fans during the Dusty Baker era. For the longest time, the Cubs have sucked and there was little effort by the FO to change that. The stadium was always packed regardless. The team could have lost 90 games and there would be several tour buses from Iowa lined up outside the ball park. Some who considered themselves "real fans" would go to the ball park and insist that if youre a "real fan" thats what you should do. Then you had the camp of fans who also considered themselves "real fans" who wanted the team to improve but saw the attendance as an obstacle to that happening (since high attendance even in losing seasons removed an incentive to improve)...and a lot of the older fans felt like this. Both camps cared about the team but have different outlooks on what it means to "support" the team. During the last year with Dusty Baker, the stadium had a lot of empty seats toward the end of the season...and this is for a team that sells an enormous amount of tickets the day they go on sale in February.

eddie mac
04-15-2009, 10:46 AM
Krieger is/was and always will be a ****. I wouldn't even wish a Cutler Fanboy club member the misfortune of wiping his ass on a Krieger piece.

Inkana7
04-15-2009, 11:02 AM
Wow, that was ****ing stupid.

BroncsRule
04-15-2009, 02:07 PM
5-11 is a tad overly optimistic.

The opener is a tossup. Cincy's not very good, but neither are we. And they'll be at home. Plus there's the whole "early East coast game" phenomenon. We have been a victim of that before.

There's no reason to think we sweep either OAK or KC - splits are more likely.

And if we manage to go on the 6, 8, 10 game skid in the middle of the schedule that many predict, how likely is it that we bounce back from that to win a couple easy ones at the end? More likely we loose heart, stop trying and loose out the rest of the schedule.

You guys need to stop judging/predicting mediocrity based off Denver's mediocre past, and start looking at how the Detroits of the league behave. Because that's where we are.

2-14, 3-13 is likely. 5-11, 6-10 is down right cheery.

BroncsRule
04-15-2009, 02:14 PM
In fact, 1-15 is possible.

We struggle out of the gate, we have trouble getting our feet under us, what with all the new personnel and schemes, things don't gel immediately.

So, regardless of strength of schedule, we struggle out of the chute. Then we get into the "meat" of the schedule, which is just brutal.

The losses mount up. Down the stretch, the rook coach has lost the team. No one's listening, his impersonation of "The Hoodie" is laughable.

Somewhere along the way, we manage to upset one of the bad teams on the schedule - because it's really hard to go 0-16.

bpc
04-15-2009, 02:19 PM
i got us at 4-12, so this prediction is on the sunny side.

Bottom line is THIS is what some of you bronco fans wanted. You wanted Shanahan gone. Now you got it. You also get all the crap that comes with having a subpar situation in our NFL city. All teams have gone through full rebuilding years outside of Denver, NE, Pittsburgh and maybe Indy over the past 10 years.


REMEMBER, this is what some of you wanted. Once you all got your wish of Shanahan being ran out of town, you turned your attention to banishing Cutler.

It's gonna be an ugly sight when we are 4-12 next year finishing behind Oakland and possible KC for last place in the division and watching Jay win, a lot, in Chicago and go on to compete for a championship.

Some people wanted THIS. Enjoy it. Wear it. Live it. LOVE IT.

DrFate
04-15-2009, 02:21 PM
I won'er how Broncos fans would react to that kind of season.

Check back in late December to find out!!

:thumbs:

chaz
04-15-2009, 03:16 PM
people here honestly believe that we will go on a 10 game losing streak? i mean, honestly?

thats damn near impossible to do in hte NFL, we havent see the draft, minicamps or preseason yet, how stupid do you have to be to judge this team with all the doom and gloom?

Actually, with the combination of a mediocre QB and an awful defense, it's quite possible. See: Detroit Lions-they made it look pretty easy

footstepsfrom#27
04-15-2009, 03:25 PM
people here honestly believe that we will go on a 10 game losing streak? i mean, honestly?
Well we will be the underdog 10 straight times in all probability. We'll probably pick up an upset or two along the way but 5-11 or 6-10 still sounds about right. New coach, new system, new QB, rookies rarely start and the holes on D are still massive. If we go 8-8 little hoodie's doing a good job coaching 'em up.

footstepsfrom#27
04-15-2009, 03:28 PM
i got us at 4-12, so this prediction is on the sunny side.

Bottom line is THIS is what some of you bronco fans wanted. You wanted Shanahan gone. Now you got it. You also get all the crap that comes with having a subpar situation in our NFL city. All teams have gone through full rebuilding years outside of Denver, NE, Pittsburgh and maybe Indy over the past 10 years.


REMEMBER, this is what some of you wanted. Once you all got your wish of Shanahan being ran out of town, you turned your attention to banishing Cutler.
You need a third category for those of us who wanted Shanny gone but not Cutler. I assumed we were smart enough to hire a coach smart enough to keep him...how could we forsee this mess? Nobody could.

broncofan7
04-15-2009, 03:30 PM
You need a third category for those of us who wanted Shanny gone but not Cutler. I assumed we were smart enough to hire a coach smart enough to keep him...how could we forsee this mess? Nobody could.

Cosign. Did Spags run Marc Bulger out of town? .......

NFLBRONCO
04-15-2009, 03:31 PM
i got us at 4-12, so this prediction is on the sunny side.

Bottom line is THIS is what some of you bronco fans wanted. You wanted Shanahan gone. Now you got it. You also get all the crap that comes with having a subpar situation in our NFL city. All teams have gone through full rebuilding years outside of Denver, NE, Pittsburgh and maybe Indy over the past 10 years.


REMEMBER, this is what some of you wanted. Once you all got your wish of Shanahan being ran out of town, you turned your attention to banishing Cutler.

It's gonna be an ugly sight when we are 4-12 next year finishing behind Oakland and possible KC for last place in the division and watching Jay win, a lot, in Chicago and go on to compete for a championship.

Some people wanted THIS. Enjoy it. Wear it. Live it. LOVE IT.

I wanted us to rebuild totally so I'm on board. I didn't agree with Cutler thing but, we are where we are I'm going to see what happens. We hung around 8 and 9 wins alot going nowhere. All phases need work glad the denial is gone. I'll take one bad year to reload this team longterm. It depends on how well we draft next 2 yrs how good our team will be at that point.

This team flat out needs alot of talent and become alot tougher to get us to another level. I question toughness with alot our current Broncos.

Rock Chalk
04-15-2009, 03:40 PM
16 and 0 bitches.

SouthStndJunkie
04-15-2009, 03:46 PM
5-11 sounds about right to me.

I hope the Broncos prove me wrong, but this is a transition year with a tough schedule. New offensive and defensive systems to learn. A lot of new players. New coaching staff. Replacing a pro bowl QB.

McDaniels has his work cut out for him....I hope he can pull it off.

barryr
04-15-2009, 03:56 PM
As much as Kizla had a thing for always bashing Shanahan, from this and previous comments, I think Krieger will always find a way to bash McDaniels.

fontaine
04-15-2009, 03:58 PM
I don't expect much but the one thing that cannot happen is we finish last place below two awful, awful teams like Oakland and KC.

It's going to be a tough season but I'm going to FULLY enjoy watching the five horsemen up front maul DLs all year long in the running game and pass protection and with Graham dishing out punishment then it might actually be kind of fun to go back to an all out ground game.

If our OL stays healthy then Bobby Turner and the running game will make sure we don't finish in last place. As long as you can run the football in this league, you've got a good chance of breaking even.

baja
04-15-2009, 03:59 PM
Appears the over / under on the Mane is 6.5 wins.

Rock Chalk
04-15-2009, 04:04 PM
If people dont expect Denver to win 6 games hwo the **** are they predicting Oakland and KC to win 6 games. They have basically the same god damn schedule.

Where's Plummer???
04-15-2009, 04:06 PM
If people dont expect Denver to win 6 games hwo the **** are they predicting Oakland and KC to win 6 games. They have basically the same god damn schedule.

i predict a 12-4 year.

eddie mac
04-15-2009, 04:13 PM
I cant believe some of the defeatist ****s on here. Wanna lay down and die, **** off and follow the Raiders.

Rock Chalk
04-15-2009, 04:14 PM
I reiterate:

16 and 0 bitches.

We have improved defensively, at the QB, at the coaches, and in attitude.

16 and 0.

Where's Plummer???
04-15-2009, 04:16 PM
I cant believe some of the defeatist ****s on here. Wanna lay down and die, **** off and follow the Raiders.

and ppl wonder why i posted a "will you still be a fan after this season" have some faith in your team and support em.. not bash em and just give up. even now when the lions suck there still high and happy with there team thining the best thoughts

baja
04-15-2009, 04:32 PM
I reiterate:

16 and 0 b****es.

We have improved defensively, at the QB, at the coaches, and in attitude.

16 and 0.

All things considered I agree we may well have improved at the QB position.

TheDave
04-15-2009, 04:43 PM
All things considered I agree we may well have improved at the QB position.

You also thought a guy with only one working hand was a future stud at WR...

... Just sayin' ;D

baja
04-15-2009, 04:56 PM
You also thought a guy with only one working hand was a future stud at WR...

... Just sayin' ;D

Shanahan ruined him. ;D

Paladin
04-15-2009, 05:14 PM
Those people want the Broncos to gfail just so they can get some jollies bashing McD, and cry some more over Cutler. Mock can come up with new "names".

Ef 'em. They can go follow the Bears or the Faiders or the mullets. I am a Broncos fan first.....

footstepsfrom#27
04-15-2009, 06:16 PM
Those people want the Broncos to gfail just so they can get some jollies bashing McD, and cry some more over Cutler. Mock can come up with new "names".

Ef 'em. They can go follow the Bears or the Faiders or the mullets. I am a Broncos fan first.....
Don't be an idiot.

Where's Plummer???
04-15-2009, 06:40 PM
Don't be an idiot.

are you one of the one's whos head is stuck so far up cutlers ass to see the good things our team has gotten?

http://loudelf.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/head-up-ass.jpg

footstepsfrom#27
04-15-2009, 06:50 PM
are you one of the one's whos head is stuck so far up cutlers ass to see the good things our team has gotten?

http://loudelf.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/head-up-ass.jpg
From a moron making his entire schtick about Jake Plummer I take any insult as a compliment.

TheChamp24
04-15-2009, 07:50 PM
and ppl wonder why i posted a "will you still be a fan after this season" have some faith in your team and support em.. not bash em and just give up. even now when the lions suck there still high and happy with there team thining the best thoughts

First off, I'm a freakin realist who doesn't wear the Homer Goggles.
Second, a real fan doesn't mean you always think playoffs/championships.

This team is simply not that good. Question mark at RB(yes, question mark, we don't even know if the injured guys will be able to come back healthy), question mark at QB(Orton do well in our system?), soooo many question marks on defense. DL, LB, DB all need work.
Changes of philosophy/schemes.
In the end, it doesn't seem REALISTIC to see this team winning a lot of games. I'm a fan, and would like to see them win, but I just don't see it happening.

footstepsfrom#27
04-15-2009, 07:55 PM
First off, I'm a freakin realist who doesn't wear the Homer Goggles.
Second, a real fan doesn't mean you always think playoffs/championships.
Another thing a real fan doesn't do...is question other fans team loyalty based on their opinons of the state of the team.

Atwater His Ass
04-15-2009, 09:37 PM
and ppl wonder why i posted a "will you still be a fan after this season" have some faith in your team and support em.. not bash em and just give up. even now when the lions suck there still high and happy with there team thining the best thoughts

So a fan can't be realistic? Or be pessimitic about an upcoming sesason? Ya, ok...

Just because I don't see us winning more than 6 games doesn't mean I won't be supporting this team for each and every game.

Honestly, what do you expect? We changed head coaches, gutted our scouting/drafting department, traded our starting QB, have one of the worst defenses in the entire league.....how is it not being a "fan" to think we won't win many games this year?

McD hasn't proven anything except his inability to deal with people and turmoil. And it's not like the Belicheat coaching tree has a stellar record. What makes McD different? Espcially based on his track record up to this point.

baja
04-15-2009, 09:57 PM
Honestly, what do you expect? We changed head coaches, gutted our scouting/drafting department, traded our starting QB, have one of the worst defenses in the entire league....

Well other than that is there anything seriously wrong?
?

footstepsfrom#27
04-15-2009, 10:26 PM
And it's not like the Belicheat coaching tree has a stellar record. What makes McD different? Espcially based on his track record up to this point.
Do you really have to ask? He's a Bronco...of course.

baja
04-15-2009, 10:36 PM
Do you really have to ask? He's a Bronco...of course.

One question, Is it possible that Cutler could be the unreasonable one in all this?

footstepsfrom#27
04-15-2009, 10:41 PM
One question, Is it possible that Cutler could be the unreasonable one in all this?
Sure it's possible....

What's your excuse for Pat lying about the Goodmans?

baja
04-15-2009, 10:53 PM
Sure it's possible....

What's your excuse for Pat lying about the Goodmans?

Pat should stay out from in front of the camera he does not do well at that but at the end of the day he is a good owner and has been for many many years. He is the only one in this saga that has the long term respect of most of the NFL family.

footstepsfrom#27
04-15-2009, 10:58 PM
Pat should stay out from in front of the camera he does not do well at that but at the end of the day he is a good owner and has been for many many years. He is the only one in this saga that has the long term respect of most of the NFL family.
So in other words he lied becaue he's camera shy? :rofl:

baja
04-15-2009, 11:17 PM
So in other words he lied becaue he's camera shy? :rofl:

No he misspeaks because he is nervous in the extreme and becomes flustered, it is quite common in public speaking. Many people come off badly in front of the camera. Pat would not enjoy 20 years worth on respect from his peers if he was the buffoon he comes across as on camera.

You don't see a discrepancy between his on camera persona and the level of respect he commands around the league?

BroncsRule
04-16-2009, 02:00 AM
Pat should stay out from in front of the camera he does not do well at that but at the end of the day he is a good owner and has been for many many years. He is the only one in this saga that has the long term respect of most of the NFL family.

I grant you, he has a good track record. To this point. But this off season looks like a f#$k up of Biblical Proportions. History will tell.

extralife
04-16-2009, 02:28 AM
6-10.

Of course, this is in mid April. Things change.