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dragondawg
04-14-2009, 09:47 PM
DENVER, Colorado — Here’s change you might find hard to believe in when it comes to Broncos cornerback Champ Bailey.

Bailey is entering his 11th NFL season. The eight-time Pro Bowler will be playing for his sixth coach and eighth defensive coordinator.

Actually, it’s nine defensive coordinators if you count Mike Nolan.

Nolan was named the Broncos’ defensive coordinator shortly after Josh McDaniels was hired as coach in January. He was Bailey’s first defensive coordinator in 1999, when both were with the Washington Redskins.

“I tell you what man, I have thought about that,” Bailey told me. “Guys talk about it all the time. Think about some guys that have been here four or five years like D.J. Williams. He’s been here five years with the same head coach. He’s had a couple of different defensive coordinators, but he’s had that stability at the top.

“And I’m like man, you just don’t know how good you’ve got it. I had four or five (coaches) when I was in Washington.”

In case you need names with the numbers, Bailey’s coaches in Washington were Norv Turner, Terry Robiskie (interim), Marty Schottenheimer and Steve Spurrier. He was traded after Joe Gibbs was named coach in 2004.

Bailey’s defensive coordinators at Washington were Nolan, Ray Rhodes, Kurt Schottenheimer, Marvin Lewis and George Edwards.

The Broncos have had three defensive coordinators since Bailey’s arrival –- Larry Coyer, Jim Bates and Bob Slowik -– under Mike Shanahan.

Six coaches and eight men coaching defense. How many Hall of

Fame-caliber football players have endured this much coaching turnover? With so much change, you might expect a volcanic explosion from a high-profile veteran such as Bailey.

But he maintains his cool and rolls with the flow of change while fighting the hunger pangs for wins. The Broncos have been to the playoffs twice since Bailey arrived in a trade for running back Clinton Portis. For his career, Bailey has been to the postseason three times.

Denver’s appearance in the 2005 season AFC Championship Game is as close as he has come to a Super Bowl. If the result of changes equals more wins, Bailey’s willing to accept more of them.

“I wished we could have worked it out with Mike (Shanahan), but obviously it didn’t,” Bailey said. “If (Pat Bowlen) thinks it’s necessary, I’m all for it. I’ve been through it and I know how to adjust.

“Don’t get me wrong, I’m frustrated because I want to win. I’m on the back end of my career. I don’t feel like I’m going to play 10 more years. I hope I do, but … there’s no telling when this thing is going to be over.

“I’ve been ready to win since I got into the league. It’s been 11 years now.”

You’re not going to get Bailey’s attention with promises. He’s not a guy who needs the front office to dangle visions of hope in front of his eyes. With Bailey, it’s that old saying, “Action speaks louder than words.”

“My thing is, I like to see results,” he said. “You can talk all you want, but unless I see this thing coming together physically … It all looks good in the classroom, but when we get out there on the field, it’s about doing the right things -– putting pressure on the quarterbacks, covering the heck out of people.

“I don’t get caught up in what you say about how things are going to be. Everybody predicts pretty weather. If it gets bad, we’ve got to get out of it. We’ll figure it out as we go, but right now, it’s just wait-and-see.”

Bailey turns 31 in June. In two weeks, his new coach turns 33. With McDaniels, Bailey is looking at the Gatorade cooler as half-full instead of half-empty.

“I’ll let you give me reasons not to believe in you,” Bailey said. “I know one thing -– you can’t win if you don’t believe in the head coach. Automatically, I’m going to try to buy into his system.

“He hasn’t given me any reason not to up to this point. He comes in, demands respect, discipline and he’s always real sharp about everything he talks about. He gets into the meeting room and demands that attention. Guys can really understand where he’s coming from.

“I have no reason to doubt that he can win here. It’s all about getting it done now.”

That’s not to say McDaniels didn’t catch Bailey’s attention during the soap opera that led to the Broncos trading quarterback Jay Cutler to the Chicago Bears.

“That’s how the league is,” Bailey said. “He tutored Matt Cassel from the ground up, pretty much. They won 11 games last year, so I can understand where he’s coming from. At the same time, you do have a Pro Bowl quarterback, a great talent, one of the best in the league.

“But this league is all about guys getting their guys. When you get a new head coach, they don’t keep the same (assistant) head coaches around. They get their own guys.

“The same goes for players. It’s a business and it’s like that. I mean, I can compare Jay Cutler’s situation to when I got traded. He’s coming off one Pro Bowl season. I came off four, and I got traded. Really, when I look at it, I could have gotten mad about it. But I never was (Redskins owner) Dan Snyder’s guy. He didn’t draft me -– Charley Casserly drafted me.

“So, I know how this thing goes and I wish people would understand that it’s a business. You can’t get your ego caught up in this thing.”

There’s one thing that catches you about being around Bailey, and that is he’s not a guy with an ego. He’s the cover cornerback supreme who, at a shade above 190 pounds, will come up and drop the hammer on a 240-pound running back if necessary. It’s not about ego for Bailey.

But Bailey realizes there are whispers growing louder that he’s no longer the best cornerback in the NFL. He’s coming off a season in which he missed seven games because of a severe groin injury. He suffered an elbow injury in the regular-season finale.

All that, and Father Time is running a fly pattern in his direction.

“You can’t help but hear it all the time,” Bailey said. “It’s really about how I evaluate myself. I know I can be the best out there.

“I think about Deion Sanders when he came to Washington. Going into his 11th season (1999), people were questioning him. He got released after his 11th season and wound up in Washington (in 2000). That’s when I made my first Pro Bowl. It was weird, not hearing his name mentioned among the best. In his 10th season, he was great. In his 11th season, he was just OK. He retired after his 12th season.

“My thing is, I have a lot of pride. But I don’t have so much that I’m not going to accept change in my game and my body. If I lose a step physically, I’m going to enhance my game mentally. I’ll figure out a way to make up for losing that step, one way or another.

“But I’m not worried about it. It’s one of those things that’s going to happen. The greatest of the greatest go down and try to keep playing. They’re not the same, but they’re still effective. Whether it’s my 13th, 14th or 20th season, I’m going to keep on fighting.”

The Broncos are a long ways from being set, roster-wise, for the start of training camp. The draft is later this month. The possibilities still are open for major trades and free-agent signings. In other words, there still is more change ahead for Bailey to ponder before the start of the regular season in September.

“I’m ready to get this bitter taste out of my mouth,” Bailey said. “I hated the way the season ended last year.”

http://www.vaildaily.com/article/20090413/SPORTS/904139963/1063

baja
04-14-2009, 10:07 PM
I’m ready to get this bitter taste out of my mouth,” Bailey said. “I hated the way the season ended last year.”

I hear that

ludo21
04-14-2009, 10:09 PM
Gotta love our Champ.

The critics dont talk about him enough. Losing him last year was KILLER! I hope that he can stay healthy this year and be a big impact as usual.

With an ounce of pressure Champ will easily have 6 picks next year.

BroncoBuff
04-14-2009, 10:10 PM
“That’s how the league is,” Bailey said. “He tutored Matt Cassel from the ground up, pretty much. They won 11 games last year, so I can understand where he’s coming from. At the same time, you do have a Pro Bowl quarterback, a great talent, one of the best in the league.

“But this league is all about guys getting their guys. When you get a new head coach, they don’t keep the same (assistant) head coaches around. They get their own guys.

Yet another guy - an important guy - who speaks of Josh trying to trade for Cassel as an accepted fact. A foregone conclusion.

The overwhelming consensus now is Josh tried to trade for Cassel. I just can't imagine what goes through the minds of people who ignore that reality at this late date.

24champ
04-14-2009, 10:16 PM
“Don’t get me wrong, I’m frustrated because I want to win. I’m on the back end of my career. I don’t feel like I’m going to play 10 more years. I hope I do, but … there’s no telling when this thing is going to be over.

“I’ve been ready to win since I got into the league. It’s been 11 years now.”
Translation: We better start winning in Denver or else...

baja
04-14-2009, 10:20 PM
Yet another guy - an important guy - who speaks of Josh trying to trade for Cassel as an accepted fact. A foregone conclusion.

The overwhelming consensus now is Josh tried to trade for Cassel. I just can't imagine what goes through the minds of people who ignore that reality at this late date.

Even if he did that does not excuse Cutlers actions and it was Pat that insisted Jay be traded.

Sometimes pictures help;

<b>McDaniels mistake</b>http://www.toddicus.com/poop%20dog.JPG


<b>Cutlers mistake</b>http://www.perou.co.uk/photos/2085.jpg

tsiguy96
04-14-2009, 10:21 PM
Yet another guy - an important guy - who speaks of Josh trying to trade for Cassel as an accepted fact. A foregone conclusion.

The overwhelming consensus now is Josh tried to trade for Cassel. I just can't imagine what goes through the minds of people who ignore that reality at this late date.

dude, its over. everyone in the world knows that the trade was cutler for picks and cassel, no one has ever made any indication, ever, that it was mcdaniels that initiated that talks. he has denied it since day 1 to this day, as has everyone involved, and no one has said that he DID initiate the talks. let it go.

Tyrant
04-14-2009, 10:21 PM
Nobody loves Champ more than me....but,

if he picks off that pass against the Steelers in the 1st quarter of the AFC Championship Game, he would have a ring right now.

worm
04-14-2009, 10:43 PM
Nobody loves Champ more than me....but,

if he picks off that pass against the Steelers in the 1st quarter of the AFC Championship Game, he would have a ring right now.

If he doesn't do it in the Pats game there would have been no Steeler game.

See how this works?

Ratboy
04-14-2009, 10:44 PM
That’s not to say McDaniels didn’t catch Bailey’s attention during the soap opera that led to the Broncos trading quarterback Jay Cutler to the Chicago Bears.

“That’s how the league is,” Bailey said. “He tutored Matt Cassel from the ground up, pretty much. They won 11 games last year, so I can understand where he’s coming from. At the same time, you do have a Pro Bowl quarterback, a great talent, one of the best in the league.

“But this league is all about guys getting their guys. When you get a new head coach, they don’t keep the same (assistant) head coaches around. They get their own guys."

and people said Champ Bailey disliked Cutler? Sounds like he was on Jay's side.

Popps
04-14-2009, 10:59 PM
Yet another guy - an important guy - who speaks of Josh trying to trade for Cassel as an accepted fact. A foregone conclusion.

The overwhelming consensus now is Josh tried to trade for Cassel. I just can't imagine what goes through the minds of people who ignore that reality at this late date.

I've yet to hear one person on this board claim that talks didn't occur. Even McDaniels himself admitted that there were discussions, and that considering all options was his job.

It's like you're having this argument with no one, yet you keep reposting the same thing as if someone is arguing.

Is there anyone? I've yet to see it.

BroncoBuff
04-14-2009, 11:06 PM
dude, its over. everyone in the world knows that the trade was cutler for picks and cassel, no one has ever made any indication, ever, that it was mcdaniels that initiated that talks. he has denied it since day 1 to this day, as has everyone involved, and no one has said that he DID initiate the talks. let it go.

No, McDaniels changed a bit the first few days .... originally, he/they said "there were no trade talks." But after a day or two he/they changed it to "Well, we fielded calls, but said no way. Jay is our quarterback." In the ensuing days/couple weeks, it became clear that several teams were involved in the discussions, and the talks were pretty extensive.

And I'll let it go when I'm ready ... and I'm ready this Friday night at midnight. One week before Draft Day.


Even if he did that does not excuse Cutlers actions and it was Pat that insisted Jay be traded.

I agree with all of that, always have. I just don't get why you keep lumping me in with the others. ??? I have said over and over for weeks now that this fiasco is mostly Jay's fault. But I also believe Josh lied/misled him.

Popps
04-14-2009, 11:10 PM
Translation: We better start winning in Denver or else...

Well, he's been on a ****ty team for three years. I don't blame him for being a bit pissed, with his career winding down.

Hopefully McDaniels and Co. can help Champ earns the title he deserves.

BroncoBuff
04-14-2009, 11:12 PM
and people said Champ Bailey disliked Cutler? Sounds like he was on Jay's side.

Exactly ... the Josh-sycophants have slightly twisted a lot of this stuff. NOW tsiguy says, "sure, there were alotta talks." But when this first started, the pro-Josh people believed it when he said, "all we did was answer the phone, and we just said NO, Jay is our quarterback." That's a virtual direct Josh quote from early on. But now - now that we know several teams were involved and the talks were pretty deep - now that quote is forgotten by many.

There was definite movement in Josh's story. He dug his heels in pretty quick and never budged afterward ... but there was some movement early.

Popps
04-14-2009, 11:19 PM
Buff, do you have the quote handy where Josh said he never entertained any offers?

baja
04-14-2009, 11:24 PM
No, McDaniels changed a bit the first few days .... originally, he/they said "there were no trade talks." But after a day or two he/they changed it to "Well, we fielded calls, but said no way. Jay is our quarterback." In the ensuing days/couple weeks, it became clear that several teams were involved in the discussions, and the talks were pretty extensive.

And I'll let it go when I'm ready ... and I'm ready this Friday night at midnight. One week before Draft Day.




I agree with all of that, always have. I just don't get why you keep lumping me in with the others. ??? I have said over and over for weeks now that this fiasco is mostly Jay's fault. But I also believe Josh lied/misled him.

Come on dude this isn't rocket science. Our differences are simple, given the deal we got I'm glad Cutler is gone and you're not.

Oh Ya and I think McDaniels has a good shot to do good to great things here and you think he is a walking disaster.

BroncoBuff
04-14-2009, 11:58 PM
Come on dude this isn't rocket science. Oh Ya and I think McDaniels has a good shot to do good to great things here and you think he is a walking disaster.

Whoa there Cowboy ... see, this is exactly what I'm talking about! There is FAR more extremism on the pro-Josh side of this debate. Fact is, you mis-quote me and wrongly attribute beliefs to me pretty regularly, most clearly right there, perfect example: I do NOT think Josh is a walking disaster, not by a longshot!. In fact, I have repeatedly said I think he's as good an offensive coach as you'll find anywhere in the game. I am VERY excited to see this offense ... I hope Hillis plays a lot.

What I'm not thrilled about is a narrow set of problems: The handing of so much front office power to such a brash, inexperienced kid. I think the majority of people here agree with that. He should've been downstairs coaching exclusively. At his age and as a first-time head coach, that is a full plate. I also believe he used this power to slide/push Goodman out, and stubbornly refused to cop to what he did to Jay (after lying/misleading him). Those are just my opinions/guesses. Jay Cutler had no motivation to lie. (Nooo BroncoBuff! Jay and Bus Cook wanted a new contract BroncoBuff! Oops. :~ohyah!:)

But these criticisms have nothing to do with his coaching skills or whether he'll win games. They are strictly criticisms that with his inexperience, he has no business running the front office.

24champ
04-15-2009, 12:04 AM
Well, he's been on a ****ty team for three years. I don't blame him for being a bit pissed, with his career winding down.

Hopefully McDaniels and Co. can help Champ earns the title he deserves.

No disagreement here Popps.

I will say this though, if we don't do well this season. It's Champs last season as a Bronco.

Kaylore
04-15-2009, 12:04 AM
Yet another guy - an important guy - who speaks of Josh trying to trade for Cassel as an accepted fact. A foregone conclusion.

The overwhelming consensus now is Josh tried to trade for Cassel. I just can't imagine what goes through the minds of people who ignore that reality at this late date.

That's not what his quote said. All he said was McDaniels groomed him and he understood why he wanted him. That point has never been disputed. There is never a quote by Bailey saying "Josh McDaniels tried to trade Cutler for Cassel."

and people said Champ Bailey disliked Cutler? Sounds like he was on Jay's side.
::)

First of all, you're cherry picking your quotes. You conveniently ignored this sentence.

“So, I know how this thing goes and I wish people would understand that it’s a business. You can’t get your ego caught up in this thing.”


Secondly, whether or not Bailey likes someone isn't going to affect who's side he would take.

Finally, why do so many of you expect Bailey to throw one of his teammates under the bus? He doesn't like Jay, but that doesn't mean he's going to stop being the complete pro we know him to be go all angry douche-bag on Cutler now that he's gone by calling him out in the press. Has he ever done that? Why would he start now? Good grief, have some common sense.

BroncoMan4ever
04-15-2009, 12:16 AM
Gotta love our Champ.

The critics dont talk about him enough. Losing him last year was KILLER! I hope that he can stay healthy this year and be a big impact as usual.

With an ounce of pressure Champ will easily have 6 picks next year.

and with the front 7 being decent againt the run he won't sustain injuries from being the only guy on the team capable of tackling a 230lbs RB. if our frint 7 can be even half way decent, Champ will have a great year. his year will already be better because he won't be playing 10 yards off the receiver every play this season.


i truthfully don't think Champ's game dropped off last season or the year before, i think it was just the systems of the defenses and the inept coaching from our coordinators. he was forced to cover for everyone else on the team and change his duties from cover the receiver first to cover everyone elses ass first and then cover his man 2nd which led to a couple bad seasons and injuries.

a little help in the front 7 and he is back to his old self.

BroncoMan4ever
04-15-2009, 12:23 AM
and people said Champ Bailey disliked Cutler? Sounds like he was on Jay's side.

he was following the talent and the guy who was rapidly becoming a guy who could lead this team to a championship. personally Champ probably thinks Jay was a whiny bitch, but he also knew, that he was one of the best in the league at his position and that he would have been better off having Jay take the snaps over almost anyone else.

for example Peyton Manning is a royal douchebag and has thrown teammates under the bus, but his teammates will take his side in any dispute because he is the best in the game and gives them the best chance to win.

that's what it comes down to. that's the reason TO still had teams willing to sign him, the reason Pacman got a chance in Dallas and why other thugs and general assholes still get paid to play, they have talent and can make a team better for a short time at least.

BroncoMan4ever
04-15-2009, 12:24 AM
Well, he's been on a ****ty team for three years. I don't blame him for being a bit pissed, with his career winding down.

Hopefully McDaniels and Co. can help Champ earns the title he deserves.

if McDaniels can't do it, Belicheat more than likely will when Champ leaves as a FA

baja
04-15-2009, 12:28 AM
Whoa there Cowboy ... see, this is exactly what I'm talking about! There is FAR more extremism on the pro-Josh side of this debate. Fact is, you mis-quote me and wrongly attribute beliefs to me pretty regularly, most clearly right there, perfect example: I do NOT think Josh is a walking disaster, not by a longshot!. In fact, I have repeatedly said I think he's as good an offensive coach as you'll find anywhere in the game. I am VERY excited to see this offense ... I hope Hillis plays a lot.

What I'm not thrilled about is a narrow set of problems: The handing of so much front office power to such a brash, inexperienced kid. I think the majority of people here agree with that. He should've been downstairs coaching exclusively. At his age and as a first-time head coach, that is a full plate. I also believe he used this power to slide/push Goodman out, and stubbornly refused to cop to what he did to Jay (after lying/misleading him). Those are just my opinions/guesses. Jay Cutler had no motivation to lie. (Nooo BroncoBuff! Jay and Bus Cook wanted a new contract BroncoBuff! Oops. :~ohyah!:)

But these criticisms have nothing to do with his coaching skills or whether he'll win games. They are strictly criticisms that with his inexperience, he has no business running the front office.

OK I get it ;D

broncogary
04-15-2009, 04:20 AM
and with the front 7 being decent againt the run he won't sustain injuries from being the only guy on the team capable of tackling a 230lbs RB. if our frint 7 can be even half way decent, Champ will have a great year. his year will already be better because he won't be playing 10 yards off the receiver every play this season.


i truthfully don't think Champ's game dropped off last season or the year before, i think it was just the systems of the defenses and the inept coaching from our coordinators. he was forced to cover for everyone else on the team and change his duties from cover the receiver first to cover everyone elses ass first and then cover his man 2nd which led to a couple bad seasons and injuries.

a little help in the front 7 and he is back to his old self.

How do we know that he won't play 10 yards off? He said he liked to play facing the QB. And I'd be a lot happier if he'd do his own job first.

eddie mac
04-15-2009, 04:45 AM
Yet another guy - an important guy - who speaks of Josh trying to trade for Cassel as an accepted fact. A foregone conclusion.

The overwhelming consensus now is Josh tried to trade for Cassel. I just can't imagine what goes through the minds of people who ignore that reality at this late date.

Where the **** did you get "trying to trade for" from Bailey's quote???

Dukes
04-15-2009, 05:24 AM
I had a dream last night that Champ got traded, thank goodness it was just a dream.

Gcver2ver3
04-15-2009, 05:39 AM
If he doesn't do it in the Pats game there would have been no Steeler game.

See how this works?

the above post = outstanding...

Broncojef
04-15-2009, 05:48 AM
Well, he's been on a ****ty team for three years. I don't blame him for being a bit pissed, with his career winding down.

Hopefully McDaniels and Co. can help Champ earns the title he deserves.

Well maybe Champ needs to look at himself. He seems to be riding the bench a good portion of the past seasons now. If he really wants to win maybe he should stay on the field and stop worrying about the guys around him. I think McDaniels will get us there but Champ's injury prone status lately isn't helping the team a great deal.

Broncojef
04-15-2009, 05:51 AM
Exactly ... the Josh-sycophants have slightly twisted a lot of this stuff. NOW tsiguy says, "sure, there were alotta talks." But when this first started, the pro-Josh people believed it when he said, "all we did was answer the phone, and we just said NO, Jay is our quarterback." That's a virtual direct Josh quote from early on. But now - now that we know several teams were involved and the talks were pretty deep - now that quote is forgotten by many.

There was definite movement in Josh's story. He dug his heels in pretty quick and never budged afterward ... but there was some movement early.

Keep rehashing the same sh*t dude eventually people will start believing it.

Lolad
04-15-2009, 05:51 AM
the above post = outstanding...

If we got 1 stop on 3rd down before half time. Maybe we would've been in the super bowl. They game planned well vs our blitz packages, what can I say we were a two trick pony on defense stack the line back all of them off or attack

colonelbeef
04-15-2009, 05:54 AM
and people said Champ Bailey disliked Cutler? Sounds like he was on Jay's side.

IT sounds like Champ is pissed about Jay being gone, but he is trying to say the right things to the media more than anything..

gyldenlove
04-15-2009, 05:56 AM
IT sounds like Champ is pissed about Jay being gone, but he is trying to say the right things to the media more than anything..

Champ is not on anyones side, he wants to win and he realizes it is easier to win a good QB than with an average one.

hambone13
04-15-2009, 06:02 AM
Champ is not on anyones side, he wants to win and he realizes it is easier to win a good QB than with an average one.

Spot on....

Gcver2ver3
04-15-2009, 06:02 AM
and people said Champ Bailey disliked Cutler? Sounds like he was on Jay's side.

on Jay's side?...isn't it funny how people can look at the same thing and come up with different outlooks?...

i can argue it's opposite considering he mentioned that he was fresh off of 4 straight Pro Bowls and was still traded but mentioned athletes need to understand it's a business and that you need to leave ego out of it...

i think the best way to look at it is he isn't really taking any side...he just wants to win...

cmhargrove
04-15-2009, 06:22 AM
Well maybe Champ needs to look at himself. He seems to be riding the bench a good portion of the past seasons now. If he really wants to win maybe he should stay on the field and stop worrying about the guys around him. I think McDaniels will get us there but Champ's injury prone status lately isn't helping the team a great deal.

That's a little harsh now, isn't it?

I don't think anyone doubts Champ's toughness. He was the one who rebounded from a major shoulder injury and played the next game - then finished the season in pain, wearing a harness. The leg injury last year would either heal, or not (that's not really his fault). I wouldn't say that in his 10 year career, with how he has played the game, that Champ has ever been "injury prone."

I think with an effective D-line, Champ is still a pro-bowler.

I'll take Champ at 90% (of his past performance) over almost any other corner in the league.

maher_tyler
04-15-2009, 07:55 AM
No disagreement here Popps.

I will say this though, if we don't do well this season. It's Champs last season as a Bronco.

He's one of the players i wouldn't mind trading to someone who has a legit shot at winning it all..he's been nothing but class his whole time here!!

Dagmar
04-15-2009, 08:04 AM
Another ****ing Cutler thread. Buff, you are becoming really ****ing tiresome, you are changing EVERY thread. You know who that reminds me of? lex, Bob, et al.

_Oro_
04-15-2009, 08:14 AM
"He didn’t draft me -– Charley Casserly drafted me."

I didn't know Charley drafted Champ, but it makes sense. If you watch NFL network all the guy does is talk about if the prospects hips are fluid enough to drop back into coverage.

Where's Plummer???
04-15-2009, 08:21 AM
and people said Champ Bailey disliked Cutler? Sounds like he was on Jay's side.

he didnt dislike cutler. the meeting he held awhile back he was "dissapointed" in the way cutler handled the situation.

“But this league is all about guys getting their guys. When you get a new head coach, they don’t keep the same (assistant) head coaches around. They get their own guys.

“The same goes for players. It’s a business and it’s like that. I mean, I can compare Jay Cutler’s situation to when I got traded. He’s coming off one Pro Bowl season. I came off four, and I got traded. Really, when I look at it, I could have gotten mad about it. But I never was (Redskins owner) Dan Snyder’s guy. He didn’t draft me -– Charley Casserly drafted me.


i completely agree. i wish cutler would have grown up a lil and just taken the lumps. but it wasnt meant to be.

lex
04-15-2009, 08:45 AM
When you have a head coach who listens to you too much and you lobby for a horrible defensive coordinator, youre going to get turnover.

lex
04-15-2009, 08:47 AM
"He didn’t draft me -– Charley Casserly drafted me."

I didn't know Charley drafted Champ, but it makes sense. If you watch NFL network all the guy does is talk about if the prospects hips are fluid enough to drop back into coverage.


I dont think Casserly is gay...if thats what youre implying. ;)

lex
04-15-2009, 08:48 AM
That's a little harsh now, isn't it?

I don't think anyone doubts Champ's toughness. He was the one who rebounded from a major shoulder injury and played the next game - then finished the season in pain, wearing a harness. The leg injury last year would either heal, or not (that's not really his fault). I wouldn't say that in his 10 year career, with how he has played the game, that Champ has ever been "injury prone."

I think with an effective D-line, Champ is still a pro-bowler.

I'll take Champ at 90% (of his past performance) over almost any other corner in the league.

Thats a lot of CBs.

Pony Boy
04-15-2009, 09:11 AM
That's a little harsh now, isn't it?

I don't think anyone doubts Champ's toughness. He was the one who rebounded from a major shoulder injury and played the next game - then finished the season in pain, wearing a harness. The leg injury last year would either heal, or not (that's not really his fault). I wouldn't say that in his 10 year career, with how he has played the game, that Champ has ever been "injury prone."

I think with an effective D-line, Champ is still a pro-bowler.

I'll take Champ at 90% (of his past performance) over almost any other corner in the league.

Correct that no one doubts Champs toughness, but it's getting to be a bigger issue with the team. There clearly seems to be a problem with keeping the team healthy. That need to be addressed, Why are the Bronco's injury prone? Was that an area that Shanahan ignored? I'm not saying he did but I would like to see us get healthy and stay healthy during the season.

Where's Plummer???
04-15-2009, 09:18 AM
Correct that no one doubts Champs toughness, but it's getting to be a bigger issue with the team. There clearly seems to be a problem with keeping the team healthy. That need to be addressed, Why are the Bronco's injury prone? Was that an area that Shanahan ignored? I'm not saying he did but I would like to see us get healthy and stay healthy during the season.

from what i noticed there was a eery line of injuries that seem to me to be injuries from the lack of stretching... was the trainers not stretching the payers correctly before the games? idk im not saying this is waht it was but it just seems to me alot of those injuries to the team could have been avoided with a lil more stretching.

Popps
04-15-2009, 09:23 AM
IT sounds like Champ is pissed about Jay being gone.

Only in your mind.