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Mile High Mojoe
04-13-2009, 12:54 PM
Until McD has coached a real game and completed an entire season as Head Coach he’s fair game to be second guessed, especially when it comes to the Cutler trade. I love the homers who just want to go bury this thing and go on blindly supporting him like the guy has earned it. He hasn’t.

Granted, he did come from a successful team (As an “Assistant Coach” not as a Head Coach) that had a nice 2 year run but to say on that basis alone he automatically should have a free pass to act like a King Koach without questioning his first big move is ridiculous and stupid.

Cassel had nothing, absolutely nothing to lose and everything to gain when Brady went down last year. From a psychological point of view Cassel knew that it was just going to be a temp job and not a life time honorarium. He also knew that expectations would be low to lower than low so the pressure he felt was almost zero not to mention playing in a division (AFC East) that was crap to crappier last year IMO.

Given that and the fact that he had a talented team around him with maybe the best defensive mind at Head Coach as back ups I just don’t see the Cassel/McD duo as some awe inspiring reason to believe he could repeat that success with a far less talented team in Denver.

Cassel will go down in flames early in KC; he has no more or no less talent than Orton or even Simms. That’s the point here; talented QB’s don’t grow on trees. Since having any success at QB in the NFL is rare, even if you’re a scrub QB in a temp job, you can count on becoming the new flavor of the month come free agent signing time. Cassel’s laughing all the way to the bank and the Chiefs fans will soon be crying because Cassel will get put through a meat grinder in KC and be done sooner rather than later.

For my money even with Cutler’s problems and for the reasons I just explained it’s insane to think we’ll be better off without him. Sure Orton is on the train, what the hell choice does he have, he’s a bum who maybe one season removed from the NFL. Of course he’s on board for God’s sakes he’s going to get another paycheck to either play or not play QB is year.

Until McD has a winning season and at least one playoff win I’ll never believe he was a better choice for Head Coach over Steve Spagnola or another defensive coach. We needed a defensive coach not a wet behind the ears punk that thinks he can act like his mentor and kiss off the most valuable player on the team.

I know some of you will say, “Let it go it’s over, move on” whatever but until McD puts up some wins and has some success it’s perfectly acceptable to be skeptical and cynical about his chances until he does. I’m still furious about this thing and as a Diehard Fan I have every right to talk about this until Kingdom Come if I want too. If he can’t take the heat let him go coach a Pop Warner team in Iowa.

Paladin
04-13-2009, 12:56 PM
*yawn*

TheElusiveKyleOrton
04-13-2009, 12:56 PM
Okay, thanks for clearing that up.

is it okay if I go take a leak now? Figured I'd better ask your opinion before I do anything.

rugbythug
04-13-2009, 12:57 PM
Wow enlightening. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I had to pull myself away from a best of craigslist post.

24champ
04-13-2009, 01:00 PM
*yawn*

That's what I was thinking...mojoke is two weeks late to the party.Ha!

I don't like what McDaniels has done lately, but we've already discussed this to death. Let's see what they do for the draft and then move on to TC.

Dagmar
04-13-2009, 01:02 PM
Posters who's ego is so huge they think we give a crap about their little essays when it has been discussed to death should be shot.

Mile High Mojoe
04-13-2009, 01:04 PM
Posters who's ego is so huge they think we give a crap about their little essays when it has been discussed to death should be shot.What's wrong with expressing myself on this even if it has been discussed to death?

rugbythug
04-13-2009, 01:06 PM
What's wrong with expressing myself on this even if it has been discussed to death?

Nothing-We are just expressing ourselves about your self expression. This deserves it's own emiticon.

epicSocialism4tw
04-13-2009, 01:07 PM
Yes! This dude is back!

tsiguy96
04-13-2009, 01:09 PM
no, coaches should be second guessed after we see the results they put on the field. not before. now go home.

Mile High Mojoe
04-13-2009, 01:10 PM
Nothing-We are just expressing ourselves about your self expression. This deserves it's own emiticon.This should be discussed to death, it's the biggest story of the offseason. The Broncos are in the dumpster right now and until they play a game, win a game, have .500 plus season and best of all a playoff win McD deserves to be kicked in the ass until he does or gets fired.

oubronco
04-13-2009, 01:11 PM
I like Bacon and made a whole package and ate it all

24champ
04-13-2009, 01:11 PM
Yes! This dude is back!

Unfortunately...

epicSocialism4tw
04-13-2009, 01:13 PM
Unfortunately...

This is the obsessive guy that is probably still stalking Popps, no?

Broncomutt
04-13-2009, 01:14 PM
90% of a woman's intuition is simply man's transparency

cutthemdown
04-13-2009, 01:14 PM
Listen. The reason Mcdaniels gets more respect from people in football, then from you, is because those people know football, and all you know it results.

As fans we say hey that dude got 10 sacks, he's a good player, but people who play football, coach football, may know well he doesn't beat people one on one, he gets 10 sacks because the defense is good. While in another city a player has 3 sacks and we as fans say that is not good. But football players and coaches may say that dude can beat you one on one, hes a good player, but he gets no sacks because the rest of the dline stinks and he gets doubled all day.

Every player and coach, that talks to Mcdaniels says same thing about him. This young man really knows a lot about football, is innovative, and is a really good play caller.

As fans we will wait for results, but IMO it's obvious that the people who know more about football then we do seem to think Mcdaniels is a pretty smart man. I watched pats football last 3 yrs and the play calling was crisp, smart, and deadly.

He's our coach, i like him, I'm behind him, and I have no doubt really that he will do well in Denver. Superbowls? well those are hard to win but we will see. A lot of good coaches coach for a lot of yrs before they win a Superbowl but I think Mcdaniles will have Broncos winning more then they lose within 2 seasons, and be in playoffs winning games within 3.

Who knows maybe even sooner.

24champ
04-13-2009, 01:21 PM
This is the obsessive guy that is probably still stalking Popps, no?

Yeah that's him.

We made fun of Mojoke a year or so ago...it was epically funny.

Mile High Mojoe
04-13-2009, 01:24 PM
Listen. The reason Mcdaniels gets more respect from people in football, then from you, is because those people know football, and all you know it results.

As fans we say hey that dude got 10 sacks, he's a good player, but people who play football, coach football, may know well he doesn't beat people one on one, he gets 10 sacks because the defense is good. While in another city a player has 3 sacks and we as fans say that is not good. But football players and coaches may say that dude can beat you one on one, hes a good player, but he gets no sacks because the rest of the dline stinks and he gets doubled all day.

Every player and coach, that talks to Mcdaniels says same thing about him. This young man really knows a lot about football, is innovative, and is a really good play caller.

As fans we will wait for results, but IMO it's obvious that the people who know more about football then we do seem to think Mcdaniels is a pretty smart man. I watched pats football last 3 yrs and the play calling was crisp, smart, and deadly.

He's our coach, i like him, I'm behind him, and I have no doubt really that he will do well in Denver. Superbowls? well those are hard to win but we will see. A lot of good coaches coach for a lot of yrs before they win a Superbowl but I think Mcdaniles will have Broncos winning more then they lose within 2 seasons, and be in playoffs winning games within 3.

Who knows maybe even sooner.

I guess I am to results oriented, on the surface as a Coach what he has done in his short career seems constructive and measurable. Still, I question at least for now his experience in handling player personnel, that should be in question and so should his honesty.

He may be the next big thing but without that, without the respect of the team and the fans how can we really believe him? I like any fan want him to succeed but heís off to horrible start and this Cutler thing wasnít a way to inspire any confidence that he knows what heís doing as a head coach.

OBF1
04-13-2009, 01:25 PM
This is the kind of post I needed to show me the light and how to think towards my team. Now go jump off a bridge.

epicSocialism4tw
04-13-2009, 01:25 PM
Yeah that's him.

We made fun of Mojoke a year or so ago...it was epically funny.

This place needs some Mojoe. You know it.

OBF1
04-13-2009, 01:27 PM
I guess I am to results oriented, on the surface as a Coach what he has done in his short career seems constructive and measurable. Still, I question at least for now his experience in handling player personnel, that should be in question and so should his honesty.

He may be the next big thing but without that, without the respect of the team and the fans how can we really believe him? I like any fan want him to succeed but heís off to horrible start and this Cutler thing wasnít a way to inspire any confidence that he knows what heís doing as a head coach.

What results are you talking about with Jay Cutler then??? His ZERO playoff appearances, His sub .500 winning percentage? His maturity issues?

HEAV
04-13-2009, 01:28 PM
Eat a bullet

Eat peanut butter... Which ever is faster.

broncosteven
04-13-2009, 01:30 PM
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As fans we will wait for results, but IMO it's obvious that the people who know more about football then we do seem to think Mcdaniels is a pretty smart man. I watched pats football last 3 yrs and the play calling was crisp, smart, and deadly.
....

Until he got to the SB and was outcoached.

SouthStndJunkie
04-13-2009, 01:31 PM
Posters who's ego is so huge they think we give a crap about their little essays when it has been discussed to death should be shot.

There would be a lot of dead posters.

Mile High Mojoe
04-13-2009, 01:31 PM
This place needs some Mojoe. You know it.Thanks Man, this time around, I'm gonna do my best to ignore all the haters. I love the Broncos as much as anyone here, so hate me or love me I don't care. I know I'll get attacked everytime I say something by the same haters whether it's good or bad I just have to deal with it better.

epicSocialism4tw
04-13-2009, 01:34 PM
Thanks Man, this time around, I'm gonna do my best to ignore all the haters. I love the Broncos as much as anyone here, so hate me or love me I don't care. I know I'll get attacked everytime I say something by the same haters whether it's good or bad I just have to deal with it better.

LOL

Yes!

Mile High Mojoe
04-13-2009, 01:36 PM
What results are you talking about with Jay Cutler then??? His ZERO playoff appearances, His sub .500 winning percentage? His maturity issues?So then are we better off with a scrubs like Orton or Simms at QB? Does Cutler take full responsibly for the worse Defense in Broncos team history? Did you think this Coach and these 2 scrubs are any better than had we keep Cutler warts and all? Hell no I say.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
04-13-2009, 01:37 PM
Thanks Man, this time around, I'm gonna do my best to ignore all the haters. I love the Broncos as much as anyone here, so hate me or love me I don't care. I know I'll get attacked everytime I say something by the same haters whether it's good or bad I just have to deal with it better.

The best way for you to deal with it would be to leave and go dig a ditch, then hang out in the ditch.

RMT
04-13-2009, 01:38 PM
This should be discussed to death, it's the biggest story of the offseason. The Broncos are in the dumpster right now and until they play a game, win a game, have .500 plus season and best of all a playoff win McD deserves to be kicked in the ass until he does or gets fired.

are you serious? shanahan had all of ONE playoff win in the last 10 YEARS and the team's been mired in mediocrity.

even with Cutler at the helm, the Broncos were mediocre and couldn't win ONE of their last 3 games last season to make the playoffs. and despite being #2 in total yards on offense, they were #8 in turnovers and just #16 in scoring. that's weak.

24champ
04-13-2009, 01:38 PM
I love the Broncos as much as anyone here

You are an idiot.

Pony Boy
04-13-2009, 01:45 PM
Do you know my wife? Her indian name is "beats a dead horse"?

Mile High Mojoe
04-13-2009, 01:48 PM
are you serious? shanahan had all of ONE playoff win in the last 10 YEARS and the team's been mired in mediocrity.

even with Cutler at the helm, the Broncos were mediocre and couldn't win ONE of their last 3 games last season to make the playoffs. and despite being #2 in total yards on offense, they were #8 in turnovers and just #16 in scoring. that's weak.Did you forget about the Defense? Did Cutler play NT, LB or DB? Cutler given the circumstances played great considering the D has been a doormat for 3 years.

Mile High Mojoe
04-13-2009, 01:50 PM
Do you know my wife? Her indian name is "beats a dead horse"?The horse is alive and kicking at least until McD proves he's not just another flash in the pan super geek from a great team sorry.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
04-13-2009, 01:51 PM
Damn that defense, always causing him to throw interceptions. How dare they?!?!?!?!??!

Dagmar
04-13-2009, 01:51 PM
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Mile High Mojoe
04-13-2009, 01:56 PM
Damn that defense, always causing him to throw interceptions. How dare they?!?!?!?!??!Elway threw a lot of INT's too, so did Farve but at the very least they had the talent to bring a team back if the D could make a couple of stands in the 4Q if the game was close. You think Orton or Simms has the ability to do that, Sanchez or Stafford? Come on, without a descent D bums like Orton and Simms would be lucky to be on a practice team.

24champ
04-13-2009, 02:04 PM
The horse is alive and kicking at least until McD proves he's not just another flash in the pan super geek from a great team sorry.

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BroncoBuff
04-13-2009, 02:07 PM
What's wrong with expressing myself on this even if it has been discussed to death?

NOTHING is wrong with it Mojoe.

What I don't get is why people take their time to criticize and insult you. They should either argue the substance of what you say, or else just move on to the next thread.

As a personality, Mojoe is not for everyone ... but attacking him personally is pretty lame.

BroncoBuff
04-13-2009, 02:09 PM
Damn that defense, always causing him to throw interceptions. How dare they?!?!?!?!??!

Nobody said that ... what was (accurately) pointed out is that we've had the worst defense in the NFL over Jay's 2 1/2 years starting here, and because of that, his W-L record is misleading.

scttgrd
04-13-2009, 02:14 PM
Damn that defense, always causing him to throw interceptions. How dare they?!?!?!?!??!

When they have to score everytime they get the ball because the defense is no better than your logic you tend to take some chances.

Rohirrim
04-13-2009, 02:14 PM
- Burp -

TheElusiveKyleOrton
04-13-2009, 02:15 PM
Fair enough, Buff. But great quarterbacks take over games when they have to. Cutler didn't. Cutler had an opportunity to take over the Buffalo game and did not do it. He threw interceptions.

It's easy to point to the defense as being the problem all season. It's just not accurate. Keep in mind that the offense gave a lot of ****ty field position to the D.

His numbers are misleading too. 4500 yards, and we were the 16th team in the league when it came to putting points on the board? yet the Cutler defenders hang their hat on that "2nd-ranked offense in the league!" nonsense like it means anything.

nobody remembers the pick he threw, in the fourth quarter, to a wide open San Diego defender in the end zone, which came BEFORE the drive at the end of the game that should have ended in a fumble recovery and a victory for San Diego. He BLEW IT. He actually blew it twice, and the refs bailed him out.

We'll see what he accomplishes with a J-V offensive line and middle school receivers.

24champ
04-13-2009, 02:25 PM
What I don't get is why people take their time to criticize and insult you.

Because he comes on here two weeks after the dust settles on the Jay/McDaniels saga....

He thinks his opinion is the best one because he "loves the Broncos as much as anyone else on the mane".

That kind of attitude rubs me the wrong way, I HATE trufan posters.

Never Trust a Snake
04-13-2009, 02:25 PM
Damn right McDaniels deserves more heat. Somebody in Colorado needs to put together a mob, light up some torches and start a riot in front of his residence. That stunt he pulled should have gotten his ass run out of town, Lou Saban and John Ralston style. **** him.

BroncoBuff
04-13-2009, 02:27 PM
Fair enough, Buff. But great .....

Hahahaha ... I'm glad my avatar has caught on, but that's not me ;D

Paladin
04-13-2009, 02:27 PM
Brrrrrraaaaaaaaappppppppppp!!!!

24champ
04-13-2009, 02:32 PM
http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/2a0j3u0.gif

TheElusiveKyleOrton
04-13-2009, 02:46 PM
Hahahaha ... I'm glad my avatar has caught on, but that's not me ;D

I was actually referring to your comment about his defense not allowing for accurate evaluation of Cutler based on record.

DenverBrit
04-13-2009, 02:49 PM
This should be discussed to death,

It has been, relentlessly, without pause, to the max, in triplicate, with bells on........help me out here. ;D

barryr
04-13-2009, 02:50 PM
Only an idiot would think McDaniels deserves more heat or whatever.

Again, despite what the myopic believe, Shanahan did not leave a great team for McDaniels or any coach for that matter. The defense the last 3 years has been horrible and not looking like that was changing much for next year, especially since he wanted to keep Slowik, who will never be a DC in the NFL again. Well, unless Shanahan gets another job I suppose.

As for the offense, sure the team has some good young talent, but the NFL is a team game and one side of the ball, actually make it 2 since special teams under Shanahan have stunk for a DECADE, but you don't win big games with just an offense.

This team has won only 1 playoff game the last 10 years, so it's not like McDaniels inherited a dynasty.

I wish some people would start living in the land of reality and not some fantasy land they have created in their minds. This team was not very good, wake up.

gyldenlove
04-13-2009, 02:59 PM
are you serious? shanahan had all of ONE playoff win in the last 10 YEARS and the team's been mired in mediocrity.

even with Cutler at the helm, the Broncos were mediocre and couldn't win ONE of their last 3 games last season to make the playoffs. and despite being #2 in total yards on offense, they were #8 in turnovers and just #16 in scoring. that's weak.

So you are saying that a HC with 0 playoff wins is better than a HC with more than 0 playoff wins?

You are saying we are better off with a worse QB?

TheReverend
04-13-2009, 03:00 PM
http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/2a0j3u0.gif

That's terrible! Poor thing.

SureShot
04-13-2009, 03:02 PM
That's terrible! Poor thing.

Is is wrong that it makes me chuckle?

jhat01
04-13-2009, 03:02 PM
McD is so in the hole with some of these dudes, the broncos would have to go undefeated next year for him to get a fair shake in 2010. Get the **** over it...Jay wanted out for christ's sake..everybody knows it. He said as much when he said he shut down communication after the trade talks.

gyldenlove
04-13-2009, 03:05 PM
Only an idiot would think McDaniels deserves more heat or whatever.

Again, despite what the myopic believe, Shanahan did not leave a great team for McDaniels or any coach for that matter. The defense the last 3 years has been horrible and not looking like that was changing much for next year, especially since he wanted to keep Slowik, who will never be a DC in the NFL again. Well, unless Shanahan gets another job I suppose.

As for the offense, sure the team has some good young talent, but the NFL is a team game and one side of the ball, actually make it 2 since special teams under Shanahan have stunk for a DECADE, but you don't win big games with just an offense.

This team has won only 1 playoff game the last 10 years, so it's not like McDaniels inherited a dynasty.

I wish some people would start living in the land of reality and not some fantasy land they have created in their minds. This team was not very good, wake up.

We have a believer!

The defense and the special teams (where Cutler didn't play) were the weak spots of the team.

The team was the worst in the league (3rd worst defense, worst special teams) and yet we managed 8-8 which was quite far from the worst in the league, in fact it was closer to the best in the league (8 losses from being last, only 5 wins from being best). I wonder how we achieved that? oh that is right, the pass offense.

Popps
04-13-2009, 03:06 PM
Jay is the one who demanded his tender ass caressed, and then left the team, anyway.

McDaniels is showing up to work, doing his job. Jay should take a cue, and be a man from here on out.

Actually, **** him. Why do I care. I hope he deserts the Bears, as well.

gyldenlove
04-13-2009, 03:07 PM
Is is wrong that it makes me chuckle?

I thought it was quite funny, epic parenting fail.

footstepsfrom#27
04-13-2009, 03:11 PM
Fair enough, Buff. But great quarterbacks take over games when they have to. Cutler didn't. Cutler had an opportunity to take over the Buffalo game and did not do it. He threw interceptions.
Elway's first 3 seasons he threw 47 TD's and 51 INT's and he notched a measly 67.3 QB rating...but he went 27-13. Fortunately for John he had Gradishar, Chavous, Foley, Jackson, D. Smith, Mecklenburg, Rulon Jones, Wright, Fletcher and Rubin Carter suiting up on defense during some or all of that tiime.

Cutler had Champ.

Any questions?

Old No. 7
04-13-2009, 03:14 PM
The horse is alive and kicking at least until McD proves he's not just another flash in the pan super geek from a great team sorry.

People should listen to you. You are correct in every possible way. Your team is in the ****ter, and your fans have embraced Neckbeard as if he were legitimate.

Feed the beast. Educate. Do your part. Daily.

That is all.

eddie mac
04-13-2009, 03:17 PM
Not many can debate that Cutler isn't a good QB but that's never been the issue IMO. Regardless of the circumstances he didn't want to be a Bronco anymore and you can blame McDaniels/Cutler/Bowlen or whoever for starting the ball rolling or not stopping it but it does not escape the fact that the situation had become untenable for this franchise.

Cutler is gone, get to **** over it. Orton is your QB, McDaniels is your Head Coach, let him draft some players, let him train them in camp with the vets, let him gameplan some games, see your players perform then bitch ya ****ers.

Bitching in April is for 3 year old girls who've lost their ****ing barbie dolls.

Here try this site

www.ilostmy****ingbarbie.com

TheElusiveKyleOrton
04-13-2009, 03:18 PM
Elway's first 3 seasons he threw 47 TD's and 51 INT's and he notched a measly 67.3 QB rating...but he went 27-13. Fortunately for John he had Gradishar, Chavous, Foley, Jackson, D. Smith, Mecklenburg, Rulon Jones, Wright, Fletcher and Rubin Carter suiting up on defense during some or all of that tiime.

Cutler had Champ.

Any questions?

Yes, one question: why in the ****ing **** are you comparing Elway and Cutler? Christ almighty. You know, Rick Mirer had some good years, he's a hall of famer... right? right, guys?

footstepsfrom#27
04-13-2009, 03:25 PM
Yes, one question: why in the ****ing **** are you comparing Elway and Cutler? Christ almighty. You know, Rick Mirer had some good years, he's a hall of famer... right? right, guys?
Because people are blathering about him throwing INT's like he's the only guy who has done so and talking about the won-loss record like he's the only one on the team responsible.

Are you comparing Cutler to Rick Mirer?

Inkana7
04-13-2009, 03:25 PM
Elway's first 3 seasons he threw 47 TD's and 51 INT's and he notched a measly 67.3 QB rating...but he went 27-13. Fortunately for John he had Gradishar, Chavous, Foley, Jackson, D. Smith, Mecklenburg, Rulon Jones, Wright, Fletcher and Rubin Carter suiting up on defense during some or all of that tiime.

Cutler had Champ.

Any questions?

So, a good team trumps just a good QB?

Gotcha.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
04-13-2009, 03:29 PM
Because people are blathering about him throwing INT's like he's the only guy who has done so and talking about the won-loss record like he's the only one on the team responsible.

Are you comparing Cutler to Rick Mirer?

Yes, a ridiculous comparison, right? But Cutler to Elway is so right-on. LOL

Whatever you say, champ.

scttgrd
04-13-2009, 03:29 PM
Jay is the one who demanded his tender ass caressed, and then left the team, anyway.

McDaniels is showing up to work, doing his job. Jay should take a cue, and be a man from here on out.

Actually, **** him. Why do I care. I hope he deserts the Bears, as well.

And who gave Cutler the perfect escape plan? A little bit of management skill anywhere in the front office might have made a bit of a difference. Could someone get the adults to come to Dove Valley.

And before you say it, im fine with Shanny being gone. But just like the QB, it's fine to replace him as long as you have a suitable replacement. Is McDaniels that guy? So far he can't even deal with a bruised ego, training camp should be fun.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
04-13-2009, 03:29 PM
So, a good team trumps just a good QB?

Gotcha.

Game.

Set.

Match.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
04-13-2009, 03:30 PM
And who gave Cutler the perfect escape plan? A little bit of management skill anywhere in the front office might have made a bit of a difference. Could someone get the adults to come to Dove Valley.

And before you say it, im fine with Shanny being gone. But just like the QB, it's fine to replace him as long as you have a suitable replacement. Is McDaniels that guy? So far he can't even deal with a bruised ego, training camp should be fun.

Can't? Or wasn't allowed to deal with the bruised ego? Cutler was coming nowhere near the facility, wouldn't answer his phone. I suppose you're in the "McDaniels should have flown to wherever Cutler was and rubbed his balls until he felt better" camp.

DBBBSBS
04-13-2009, 03:35 PM
Until McD has coached a real game and completed an entire season as Head Coach heís fair game to be second guessed, especially when it comes to the Cutler trade. I love the homers who just want to go bury this thing and go on blindly supporting him like the guy has earned it. He hasnít.

Granted, he did come from a successful team (As an ďAssistant CoachĒ not as a Head Coach) that had a nice 2 year run but to say on that basis alone he automatically should have a free pass to act like a King Koach without questioning his first big move is ridiculous and stupid.

Cassel had nothing, absolutely nothing to lose and everything to gain when Brady went down last year. From a psychological point of view Cassel knew that it was just going to be a temp job and not a life time honorarium. He also knew that expectations would be low to lower than low so the pressure he felt was almost zero not to mention playing in a division (AFC East) that was crap to crappier last year IMO.

Given that and the fact that he had a talented team around him with maybe the best defensive mind at Head Coach as back ups I just donít see the Cassel/McD duo as some awe inspiring reason to believe he could repeat that success with a far less talented team in Denver.

Cassel will go down in flames early in KC; he has no more or no less talented than Orton or even Simms. Thatís the point here; talented QBís donít grow on trees. Since having any success at QB in the NFL is rare, even if youíre a scrub QB in a temp job, you can count on becoming the new flavor of the month come free agent signing time. Casselís laughing all the way to the bank and the Chiefs fans will soon be crying because Cassel will get put through a meat grinder in KC and be done sooner rather than later.

For my money even with Cutlerís problems and for the reasons I just explain itís insane to think weíll be better off without him. Sure Orton is on the train, what the hell choice does he have, heís a bum who maybe one season removed from the NFL. Of course heís on board for Godís sakes heís going to get another paycheck to either play or not play QB is year.

Until McD has a winning season and at least one playoff win Iíll never believe he was a better choice for Head Coach over Steve Spagnola or another defensive coach. We needed a defensive coach not a wet behind the ears punk that thinks he can act like his mentor and kiss off the most valuable player on the team.

I know some of you will say, ďLet it go itís over, move onĒ whatever but until McD puts up some wins and has some success itís perfectly acceptable to be skeptical and cynical about his chances until he does. Iím still furious about this thing and as a Diehard Fan I have every right to talk about this until Kingdom Come if I want too. If he canít take the heat let him go coach a Pop Warner team in Iowa.

OK.. NOW WHAT !!! Is That All.. Or You Have More To Add ?

Br0nc0Buster
04-13-2009, 03:35 PM
And who gave Cutler the perfect escape plan? A little bit of management skill anywhere in the front office might have made a bit of a difference. Could someone get the adults to come to Dove Valley.

And before you say it, im fine with Shanny being gone. But just like the QB, it's fine to replace him as long as you have a suitable replacement. Is McDaniels that guy? So far he can't even deal with a bruised ego, training camp should be fun.

yeah I hated it when McDaniels wouldnt call anyone back when his employer tried to contact him......oh wait

footstepsfrom#27
04-13-2009, 03:37 PM
Yes, a ridiculous comparison, right? But Cutler to Elway is so right-on. LOL

Whatever you say, champ.
Many on this board were comparing the two of them just a few weeks ago...Mirer vs. Cutler?

Not so much.

DBBBSBS
04-13-2009, 03:44 PM
Many on this board were comparing the two of them just a few weeks ago...Mirer vs. Cutler?

Not so much.

Better comparison will be cutler to culpepper... Duante was avg after a point and that is what cutler will be rest of his career. Journeyman and avg QB, who will have a drinking problem and will walk away into a sunset in santaclaus.. making himself a joker in the next few seasons

scttgrd
04-13-2009, 03:46 PM
yeah I hated it when McDaniels wouldnt call anyone back when his employer tried to contact him......oh wait

I thought we were going by results here, you mean our new coach just got outmanuvered by a childish crybaby and his agent? End result Cutlers gone, and they got a couple lottery tickets and a neckbearded Jack Daniels model.

footstepsfrom#27
04-13-2009, 03:49 PM
Better comparison will be cutler to culpepper... Duante was avg after a point and that is what cutler will be rest of his career. Journeyman and avg QB, who will have a drinking problem and will walk away into a sunset in santaclaus.. making himself a joker in the next few seasons
What are you...about 3rd grade? You've got a sandbox vocabulary and a brain more equipped for recess than here.

24champ
04-13-2009, 03:52 PM
That's terrible! Poor thing.


http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a198/24champbailey/Clipboard01.jpg

footstepsfrom#27
04-13-2009, 03:56 PM
I thought we were going by results here, you mean our new coach just got outmanuvered by a childish crybaby and his agent? End result Cutlers gone, and they got a couple lottery tickets and a neckbearded Jack Daniels model.
Old times...

http://thefeed.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/jake.jpghttp://4.bp.blogspot.com/_l-H-BiGzoMc/SOOKGyVnrBI/AAAAAAAAARs/lRM74NOZGXE/s320/orton.jpg

Br0nc0Buster
04-13-2009, 03:58 PM
I thought we were going by results here, you mean our new coach just got outmanuvered by a childish crybaby and his agent? End result Cutlers gone, and they got a couple lottery tickets and a neckbearded Jack Daniels model.

From what I understand, McDaniels wasnt the one heading the trade.

We cant discuss results yet until McDaniels coaches a game and we see what we get with those draft picks.

McDaniels had a lot on his plate this offseason, he didnt have time to play Cutler and Bus's game

cutthemdown
04-13-2009, 04:00 PM
Until he got to the SB and was outcoached.

Well that and the other team made some amazing plays. Also the dline for the Giants played really good that day and IMO was beating the NE oline.

Give some credit to the Giants players they did some amazing things late in that game.

eddie mac
04-13-2009, 04:00 PM
I thought we were going by results here, you mean our new coach just got outmanuvered by a childish crybaby and his agent? End result Cutlers gone, and they got a couple lottery tickets and a neckbearded Jack Daniels model.

Hey, if you dont like the dish dont eat it.

You might find something more to your taste here.

http://boards.chicagobears.com/forums/default.aspx

cutthemdown
04-13-2009, 04:03 PM
When they have to score everytime they get the ball because the defense is no better than your logic you tend to take some chances.

A few times we lost games after defense did a good job, got ball back, and then Cutler threw a pick late in game, or a WR fumbled etc. It wasn't all on the defense as bad as the defense was.

I agree though maybe some of Cutlers forcing the ball was over him having to score a lot. Other times he did it in 1st and 2nd down though? That doesn't make sense because doing that you aren't managing the game well.

Cutler still has a lot to learn and I doubt his willingness to do a self evaluation that pin points what he needs to work on.

It takes hard work and a humble personality to admit the things you don't do well and then set out and fix them. Many just get to a point the want to be the Alpha Dog and say I am the whiz!!!!!!

scttgrd
04-13-2009, 04:03 PM
Old times...

http://thefeed.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/jake.jpghttp://4.bp.blogspot.com/_l-H-BiGzoMc/SOOKGyVnrBI/AAAAAAAAARs/lRM74NOZGXE/s320/orton.jpg

At least Plummer had some mobility, it will be a fun season. We will have to come up with an Orton drinking game.

scttgrd
04-13-2009, 04:05 PM
Hey, if you dont like the dish dont eat it.

You might find something more to your taste here.

http://boards.chicagobears.com/forums/default.aspx

Oh I think you found something that tastes just right for you. I don't think all of us want to share though.

Popps
04-13-2009, 04:11 PM
And who gave Cutler the perfect escape plan?

Escape plan? Why should a team leader need to be babied to such an extent to prevent him from "escaping?" Wasn't he under contract?

A little bit of management skill anywhere in the front office might have made a bit of a difference. .

You have no idea if that's true or not. Cutler refused to even speak with the coach one on one. How do you know it would have been any different with another coach? Even if it was... is this the kind of guy you want leading your football team? Some guy so tender-assed that he can't handle simple business discussions occurring?


And before you say it, im fine with Shanny being gone. But just like the QB, it's fine to replace him as long as you have a suitable replacement. Is McDaniels that guy? So far he can't even deal with a bruised ego, training camp should be fun.

McDaniels has a bruised ego!? I think you've got the wrong guy. I'll guarantee you his ego wasn't bruised by this at all. He kept showing up for work... Cutler didn't.

Inkana7
04-13-2009, 04:14 PM
Urban Meyer was talking about Tebow today, and he had a really good quote:

"In the Ultimate Team Game, you need the Ultimate Team Player leading your offense, or defense."

eddie mac
04-13-2009, 04:21 PM
Oh I think you found something that tastes just right for you. I don't think all of us want to share though.

You're the one who cant get over what's happened so if you love your boy so much go follow him.

Me, I'm happy thus far with what my Organisation has done this offseason given the issues it's had to deal with and the bottom line is I'm a Denver Bronco fan not a Jay Cutler fan.

Mile High Mojoe
04-13-2009, 04:45 PM
Elway's first 3 seasons he threw 47 TD's and 51 INT's and he notched a measly 67.3 QB rating...but he went 27-13. Fortunately for John he had Gradishar, Chavous, Foley, Jackson, D. Smith, Mecklenburg, Rulon Jones, Wright, Fletcher and Rubin Carter suiting up on defense during some or all of that tiime.

Cutler had Champ.

Any questions?

^5 ^5

scttgrd
04-13-2009, 05:04 PM
You're the one who cant get over what's happened so if you love your boy so much go follow him.

Me, I'm happy thus far with what my Organisation has done this offseason given the issues it's had to deal with and the bottom line is I'm a Denver Bronco fan not a Jay Cutler fan.

Im a Broncos fan, I want what's best for the franchise short and long term. Are we any less fans if we think a mistake was made here? We all want the same thing but believe the path to get there is different. I don't dislike McDaniels, I think he's wrong on the approach he's taking. Look at how the fanbase has been so divided. Is that really a good thing?

24champ
04-13-2009, 05:09 PM
http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/1233387303854.gif

Guess which one is mojoe?

Mile High Mojoe
04-13-2009, 06:01 PM
Im a Broncos fan, I want what's best for the franchise short and long term. Are we any less fans if we think a mistake was made here? We all want the same thing but believe the path to get there is different. I don't dislike McDaniels, I think he's wrong on the approach he's taking. Look at how the fanbase has been so divided. Is that really a good thing?That's what happens in here, to get along go along and if you don't you're branded a non-fan or an asshole. I don't dislike McD either but he and Bowlen committed a grave mistake in communication no matter what Cutler did or didn't do. As an ealrier post said Cutler is only 33% to blame the other 66% belongs to Bowlen and McD.

Wes Mantooth
04-13-2009, 06:10 PM
http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/1233387303854.gif

Guess which one is mojoe?

:rofl:

lex
04-13-2009, 07:02 PM
Until McD has coached a real game and completed an entire season as Head Coach heís fair game to be second guessed, especially when it comes to the Cutler trade. I love the homers who just want to go bury this thing and go on blindly supporting him like the guy has earned it. He hasnít.

Granted, he did come from a successful team (As an ďAssistant CoachĒ not as a Head Coach) that had a nice 2 year run but to say on that basis alone he automatically should have a free pass to act like a King Koach without questioning his first big move is ridiculous and stupid.

Cassel had nothing, absolutely nothing to lose and everything to gain when Brady went down last year. From a psychological point of view Cassel knew that it was just going to be a temp job and not a life time honorarium. He also knew that expectations would be low to lower than low so the pressure he felt was almost zero not to mention playing in a division (AFC East) that was crap to crappier last year IMO.

Given that and the fact that he had a talented team around him with maybe the best defensive mind at Head Coach as back ups I just donít see the Cassel/McD duo as some awe inspiring reason to believe he could repeat that success with a far less talented team in Denver.

Cassel will go down in flames early in KC; he has no more or no less talented than Orton or even Simms. Thatís the point here; talented QBís donít grow on trees. Since having any success at QB in the NFL is rare, even if youíre a scrub QB in a temp job, you can count on becoming the new flavor of the month come free agent signing time. Casselís laughing all the way to the bank and the Chiefs fans will soon be crying because Cassel will get put through a meat grinder in KC and be done sooner rather than later.

For my money even with Cutlerís problems and for the reasons I just explain itís insane to think weíll be better off without him. Sure Orton is on the train, what the hell choice does he have, heís a bum who maybe one season removed from the NFL. Of course heís on board for Godís sakes heís going to get another paycheck to either play or not play QB is year.

Until McD has a winning season and at least one playoff win Iíll never believe he was a better choice for Head Coach over Steve Spagnola or another defensive coach. We needed a defensive coach not a wet behind the ears punk that thinks he can act like his mentor and kiss off the most valuable player on the team.

I know some of you will say, ďLet it go itís over, move onĒ whatever but until McD puts up some wins and has some success itís perfectly acceptable to be skeptical and cynical about his chances until he does. Iím still furious about this thing and as a Diehard Fan I have every right to talk about this until Kingdom Come if I want too. If he canít take the heat let him go coach a Pop Warner team in Iowa.

There should be more scrutiny of both Bowlen and McDaniels. People act like its either Cutler or McDaniels, when in reality, its not like that at all. You can strongly disapprove of both Cutler and McDaniels. But people who didnt like how Cutler handled the situation (because they like to equate everything to their world even when it doesnt apply), seem to be asserting a pro- McDaniels position, only because they didnt like how Cutler handled the situation. That and theres also probably a degree of coping in play. Cutler is gone and so they feel compelled to support the FO for that reason -- theyre in Denver and he is not.

It also seems that people put a greater burden on the guy who is 25 years old and not Bowlen and McDaniels who are the owner and coach. Even if theyre all equally at fault thats a bigger gaffe by McDaniels and Bowlen because more should be expected of them in terms of how they handle situations. It seems like theres a lot of that sentiment.

People should be on McDaniels to deliver from the start. He carries on as if the New England Patriots invented football in 2001, when in reality, Denver has been a successful franchise well before Pat felt compelled to go after someone from New England. Not only that, but even during NEs time of greatest success, Denver has still been successful against them. So, McDaniels shouldnt assume people are as in awe of New England as he is.

broncosteven
04-13-2009, 07:29 PM
Well that and the other team made some amazing plays. Also the dline for the Giants played really good that day and IMO was beating the NE oline.

Give some credit to the Giants players they did some amazing things late in that game.

That is when a good OC adjusts.

Pats were wearing down and were getting predictable.

Gint's knew they had to pressure Brady to disrupt his timing. They had the personell to do it. McBonapart could have adjusted, he didn't.

Gint's learned from the Pats game they lost in the regular season. MickyD didn't. If anything he gave the Gints the SB by thinking they could do the same thing in the 2nd game that they did in the 1st.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
04-13-2009, 07:48 PM
Old times...

http://thefeed.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/jake.jpghttp://4.bp.blogspot.com/_l-H-BiGzoMc/SOOKGyVnrBI/AAAAAAAAARs/lRM74NOZGXE/s320/orton.jpg

13-3

Playoff win

AFC Championship Game

Yeah, those days were terrible. /rolleyes

Mile High Mojoe
04-13-2009, 08:15 PM
People should be on McDaniels to deliver from the start. He carries on as if the New England Patriots invented football in 2001, when in reality, Denver has been a successful franchise well before Pat felt compelled to go after someone from New England. Not only that, but even during NEs time of greatest success, Denver has still been successful against them. So, McDaniels shouldnt assume people are as in awe of New England as he is.I think he really does believe that we should be in awe of what the Pats have done and what have they done lately btw? Last year they start a scrub QB in the weak AFC West and win 11 games, Wow. They did make it to the Super Bowl 2 years ago only to get beat by a superior D in the Giants. POINT MADE!

A defensive coach was what we needed, not a young wanna be Shanahan. Say what you want about Shanahan but by the time he got to Denver he was a well seasoned assistant with a resume to justify his hiring. McD has neither, and as such should be held to the fire. He WILL be held accountable whether he wins in Denver without Cutler or not. The lovefest for McD will quickly fade even in his first year, if he doesnít produce a good season and rightly so.

Dedhed
04-13-2009, 08:18 PM
I guess I am to results oriented,

And yet you're anti McDaniels b/c he got rid of a QB who's results were 17 wins and 21 losses. Go figure.

Dedhed
04-13-2009, 08:23 PM
Elway's first 3 seasons he threw 47 TD's and 51 INT's and he notched a measly 67.3 QB rating...but he went 27-13. Fortunately for John he had Gradishar, Chavous, Foley, Jackson, D. Smith, Mecklenburg, Rulon Jones, Wright, Fletcher and Rubin Carter suiting up on defense during some or all of that tiime.

Cutler had Champ.

Any questions?

That sounds more like Orton than Cutler, is that what you meant?

baja
04-13-2009, 08:28 PM
Is this worth reading?

Dedhed
04-13-2009, 08:31 PM
Is this worth reading?No

~Crash~
04-13-2009, 08:35 PM
Okay, thanks for clearing that up.

is it okay if I go take a leak now? Figured I'd better ask your opinion before I do anything.

you are like your avitar eyes closed and shaking head yes to coach 0-16 ....good luck.

baja
04-13-2009, 08:39 PM
No

Thank You

~Crash~
04-13-2009, 08:44 PM
Escape plan? Why should a team leader need to be babied to such an extent to prevent him from "escaping?" Wasn't he under contract?



You have no idea if that's true or not. Cutler refused to even speak with the coach one on one. How do you know it would have been any different with another coach? Even if it was... is this the kind of guy you want leading your football team? Some guy so tender-assed that he can't handle simple business discussions occurring?



McDaniels has a bruised ego!? I think you've got the wrong guy. I'll guarantee you his ego wasn't bruised by this at all. He kept showing up for work... Cutler didn't.

I did not even bother to read your crap you spewed you have become a one trick poney to bad at least one time you had vaule and depth to your posts you have no look but of the company to your post . if you were in Germany IN 1943 you would be raising one hand and chanting hail Hitler .....:flower:

cutthemdown
04-13-2009, 08:46 PM
That is when a good OC adjusts.

Pats were wearing down and were getting predictable.

Gint's knew they had to pressure Brady to disrupt his timing. They had the personell to do it. McBonapart could have adjusted, he didn't.

Gint's learned from the Pats game they lost in the regular season. MickyD didn't. If anything he gave the Gints the SB by thinking they could do the same thing in the 2nd game that they did in the 1st.

I guess all we can do is wait and watch. Giants played a great Superbowl and if not for a spectacular catch would not have won. Mcdaniels we have to give his shot, to say he sucks because he lost Superbowl for Patriots is IMO a shot across the bow type response because you are upset.

You like Bates as O Coord? He's done less the mcdaniels. We could have hired Spags but then we wouldn't have Nolan. I will take Nolan and Mcdaniels for now and hope they will be a good pairing. I think that pair can find some players and build a team that can win some games.

There are a lot of combos that can win games and IMO we have one.

It sucks Cutler couldn't just pick a phone up call Bowlen, say I'm pissed but would never dodge you, I respect you, I want to be a Bronco, I just need some time.

Instead he pissed off everybody and he's gone.

Mcdaniels if he has 2-3 lousy yrs then I will bitch and moan, but for now I think things are looking up.

The drafts next 2 yrs will bring talent, my magic 8 ball told me.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
04-13-2009, 08:56 PM
you are like your avitar eyes closed and shaking head yes to coach 0-16 ....good luck.

Uh, good one? Did daddy help you write that, junior?

~Crash~
04-13-2009, 09:03 PM
Uh, good one? Did daddy help you write that, junior?

nope your same old staments did ... :welcome:

try and fool us every now and then .....:afro:

~Crash~
04-13-2009, 09:06 PM
I am tired of the akle biters . I am going to step on the poodles I am sick of there yapping asses

baja
04-13-2009, 09:19 PM
Damn those akle biters

Tomato season is almost over for me. I juiced about 100 pounds of tomatoes last Saturday.

Got your sets going yet?

theAPAOps5
04-13-2009, 09:20 PM
Is this worth reading?

No the guy should go back to blogging on myspace where crap is welcomed.

24champ
04-13-2009, 09:36 PM
No the guy should go back to blogging on myspace where crap is welcomed.

Yeah.

Also where he can discuss events that happened weeks ago as if it happened today.


Tomorrow he will talk about how Jack Elway quit ASU.

~Crash~
04-13-2009, 09:38 PM
Damn those akle biters

Tomato season is almost over for me. I juiced about 100 pounds of tomatoes last Saturday.

Got your sets going yet?

yep they look like crap this year did you look into my tips ?

baja
04-13-2009, 09:41 PM
yep they look like crap this year did you look into my tips ?

Yes I did and I don't think I ever thanked you for then so let me say Thank You now.

~Crash~
04-13-2009, 09:47 PM
I am going to grow one last year but I am done I am going to start painting . I figure why work my ass to pure pain I said I will not hire a person this year because of obama being pres and people told me why life is good I told them that I was done well I was kind of wrong because i did not realize that to buy rentals you need twice the money to put down so yes I will grow this year but unless unforeseen event come up this is it ! I want out.

~Crash~
04-13-2009, 09:49 PM
Yes I did and I don't think I ever thanked you for then so let me say Thank You now.

yep heat will not stop you but you need a lot of watter and the ground right or secrets that produce. did I tell you about Epenson salt

cutthemdown
04-13-2009, 10:00 PM
yep heat will not stop you but you need a lot of watter and the ground right or secrets that produce. did I tell you about Epenson salt

epson you mean I think.

Adds magnesium, good for magnesium loving plants. I can't remember who told me that but it was someone old I'm sure.

You must be ancient to know such things.

~Crash~
04-13-2009, 10:03 PM
I am not a great painter but this was me at 17 years old . I am going to start with oil . this painting was with acrylic and was a pain in the ass to start over each day .

well my pic exceeds the limit lol so you cannot see

sisterhellfyre
04-13-2009, 10:11 PM
...Iíll never believe...

The most important words in the whole post.

/argument

Wes Mantooth
04-13-2009, 10:16 PM
Yeah.

Also where he can discuss events that happened weeks ago as if it happened today.


Tomorrow he will talk about how Jack Elway quit ASU.

How do we find his old thread(s)? They were classic.

~Crash~
04-13-2009, 10:19 PM
Epsom you mean I think.

Adds magnesium, good for magnesium loving plants. I can't remember who told me that but it was someone old I'm sure.

You must be ancient to know such things.

nope my mom told me and she is dead so I cannot ask her were she learned what she did but the thing is do not lose watter to the bloom if you do it is over . heat is a stress so you need to add watter little extra but to do this you had better not let the ground go dry if so it is over . Epsom is for blossom but you need watter and then you need to follow that with blossom set all the time adding watter never letting the ground go dry if so cut you lines and call it a season . if anyone needs the watering system look up t tape it works.

~Crash~
04-13-2009, 10:22 PM
blossom set(calcium) keeps the watter coming to the fruit ...

~Crash~
04-13-2009, 10:27 PM
the second you lose watter the second you lose the friut . if you see black on the bottom of tomatoes you see stress if you see black spots on an fruit it is calcium lack of and that happens in the heat or heavy rains but heat will stop set to start set you spray Calcium on plants in heat but this is done only if you have watter to put on plant if not you should cut lines and start over .

~Crash~
04-13-2009, 10:31 PM
I have been drinking and am tired I will make the painting pic okay for the forum tomarrow I am going to hit the hay night ...

Hulamau
04-13-2009, 11:25 PM
Until McD has coached a real game and completed an entire season as Head Coach heís fair game to be second guessed, especially when it comes to the Cutler trade. I love the homers who just want to go bury this thing and go on blindly supporting him like the guy has earned it. He hasnít.

Granted, he did come from a successful team (As an ďAssistant CoachĒ not as a Head Coach) that had a nice 2 year run but to say on that basis alone he automatically should have a free pass to act like a King Koach without questioning his first big move is ridiculous and stupid.

Cassel had nothing, absolutely nothing to lose and everything to gain when Brady went down last year. From a psychological point of view Cassel knew that it was just going to be a temp job and not a life time honorarium. He also knew that expectations would be low to lower than low so the pressure he felt was almost zero not to mention playing in a division (AFC East) that was crap to crappier last year IMO.

Given that and the fact that he had a talented team around him with maybe the best defensive mind at Head Coach as back ups I just donít see the Cassel/McD duo as some awe inspiring reason to believe he could repeat that success with a far less talented team in Denver.

Cassel will go down in flames early in KC; he has no more or no less talented than Orton or even Simms. Thatís the point here; talented QBís donít grow on trees. Since having any success at QB in the NFL is rare, even if youíre a scrub QB in a temp job, you can count on becoming the new flavor of the month come free agent signing time. Casselís laughing all the way to the bank and the Chiefs fans will soon be crying because Cassel will get put through a meat grinder in KC and be done sooner rather than later.

For my money even with Cutlerís problems and for the reasons I just explain itís insane to think weíll be better off without him. Sure Orton is on the train, what the hell choice does he have, heís a bum who maybe one season removed from the NFL. Of course heís on board for Godís sakes heís going to get another paycheck to either play or not play QB is year.

Until McD has a winning season and at least one playoff win Iíll never believe he was a better choice for Head Coach over Steve Spagnola or another defensive coach. We needed a defensive coach not a wet behind the ears punk that thinks he can act like his mentor and kiss off the most valuable player on the team.

[QUOUTE]I know some of you will say, ďLet it go itís over, move onĒ whatever but until McD puts up some wins and has some success itís perfectly acceptable to be skeptical and cynical about his chances until he does. Iím still furious about this thing and as a Diehard Fan I have every right to talk about this until Kingdom Come if I want too. If he canít take the heat let him go coach a Pop Warner team in Iowa.

Hey Pal, Knock yourself out! If you want to mope in your room and wring your hands in fear and loathing the next year two go right ahead, its a free country and you can impose as much unnecessary suffering on yourself as you wish.

There's an ignore feature somewhere here so when we all get tired of your 'glass-is-empty' defeatist, negative act we can just tune you out.

We get it that McD is the Devil and Cutler is a slightly-flawed Jesus Christ figure gone over to the Muslims to escape the devil's wrath for a few remaining Cutler suckers here, and if that's your thing all power to ya.

Most of us here HAVE moved on, no one here is some Pollyanna all is right with the world types either, everyone knows there are many hurdles to winning and McD can still do a great job this year and we still may well miss the playoffs with the size of the challenge here to turn this thing around.

We also know that, like all mortal coils, McD WILL make various 'mistakes' in his career here, especially as a first time coach at only 32, but we also see a guy who's got something going as well, he has a way of inspiring people who take the time to really listen to what he's about and his vision of where he wants to take this team and how.

The rest of us are more than willing to acknowledge mistakes or whatever when they happen and STILL support the coach and the team in this exciting and over due renewal period and have high hopes for early success tempered by knowing the first year two could have more losses than wins.

We want to see some steady progress, even if it takes half a season or a whole one to get everyone going in the right direction and in sync with the brand new offense and defense, both in schemes and personnel.

What most of us don't want to hear is a small group of Lilly-livered, Nervous Nelly's screaming and crying, b****ing and moaning every time and INT happens or we fail to make a first down for the next two years.

All the while rationalizing any successes we have on the field with some sort of BS, cockamamie mind-fart as your lamebrain excuse above for Cassel playing well (i.e. he didn't have time to get nervous! Ha!), as if McD and the offense he managed and help create had nothing to do with it!

The future is an open book and can go either way, and maybe McD does fail, and possibly for reasons that have much less to do with any mistakes he might make than simply bad luck and timing, or maybe it turns out he is in over his head, time will tell.

But he has real chance now to inject some badly needed creativity and discipline and TEAM first ethic into the Broncos that slipped away in recent years as Shanny got a little too stale and complacent in his $35million dollar pool hall!

McD has an extremely difficulty high pressure job and is doing his best from all reports, why not give him the benefit of the doubt and send as much support his way as possible and judge him a failure only IF And When that happens!?

Put down the razor blades and get out of the hot tub, no need to slash your wrists just yet, take a Chill Pill if necessary and enjoy the ride! :strong:

lex
04-14-2009, 12:05 AM
Hey Pal, Knock yourself out! If you want to mope in your room and wring your hands in fear and loathing the next year two go right ahead, its a free country and you can impose as much unnecessary suffering on yourself as you wish.

There's an ignore feature somewhere here so when we all get tired of your 'glass-is-empty' defeatist, negative act we can just tune you out.

We get it that McD is the Devil and Cutler is a slightly-flawed Jesus Christ figure gone over to the Muslims to escape the devil's wrath for a few remaining Cutler suckers here, and if that's your thing all power to ya.

Most of us here HAVE moved on, no one here is some Pollyanna all is right with the world types either, everyone knows there are many hurdles to winning and McD can still do a great job this year and we still may well miss the playoffs with the size of the challenge here to turn this thing around.

We also know that, like all mortal coils, McD WILL make various 'mistakes' in his career here, especially as a first time coach at only 32, but we also see a guy who's got something going as well, he has a way of inspiring people who take the time to really listen to what he's about and his vision of where he wants to take this team and how.

The rest of us are more than willing to acknowledge mistakes or whatever when they happen and STILL support the coach and the team in this exciting and over due renewal period and have high hopes for early success tempered by knowing the first year two could have more losses than wins.

We want to see some steady progress, even if it takes half a season or a whole one to get everyone going in the right direction and in sync with the brand new offense and defense, both in schemes and personnel.

What most of us don't want to hear is a small group of Lilly-livered, Nervous Nelly's screaming and crying, b****ing and moaning every time and INT happens or we fail to make a first down for the next two years.

All the while rationalizing any successes we have on the field with some sort of BS, cockamamie mind-fart as your lamebrain excuse above for Cassel playing well (i.e. he didn't have time to get nervous! Ha!), as if McD and the offense he managed and help create had nothing to do with it!

The future is an open book and can go either way, and maybe McD does fail, and possibly for reasons that have much less to do with any mistakes he might make than simply bad luck and timing, or maybe it turns out he is in over his head, time will tell.

But he has real chance now to inject some badly needed creativity and discipline and TEAM first ethic into the Broncos that slipped away in recent years as Shanny got a little too stale and complacent in his $35million dollar pool hall!

McD has an extremely difficulty high pressure job and is doing his best from all reports, why not give him the benefit of the doubt and send as much support his way as possible and judge him a failure only IF And When that happens!?

Put down the razor blades and get out of the hot tub, no need to slash your wrists just yet, take a Chill Pill if necessary and enjoy the ride! :strong:

And if you say otherwise, youre banished from the compound.

watermock
04-14-2009, 12:40 AM
We also know that, like all mortal coils, McD WILL make various 'mistakes' in his career here, especially as a first time coach at only 32, but we also see a guy who's got something going as well, he has a way of inspiring people who take the time to really listen to what he's about and his vision of where he wants to take this team and how.

The rest of us are more than willing to acknowledge mistakes or whatever when they happen and STILL support the coach and the team in this exciting and over due renewal period and have high hopes for early success tempered by knowing the first year two could have more losses than wins.


Luckily, '10 is an uncapped year. I'm sure Bowlen is going to love that top 5 pick from OUR record, not the Bears.

watermock
04-14-2009, 12:47 AM
he has a way of inspiring people who take the time to really listen to what he's about and his vision of where he wants to take this team and how.


Based on what? Bowlen has done exactly what he allowed with Shanny, give Mcdummy GM powers, elininating the Goodmans and making the immature Xanders a subservient..

Cito Pelon
04-14-2009, 01:22 AM
Because he comes on here two weeks after the dust settles on the Jay/McDaniels saga....

He thinks his opinion is the best one because he "loves the Broncos as much as anyone else on the mane".

That kind of attitude rubs me the wrong way, I HATE trufan posters.

Please. He's saying the exact same thing you have for the past four weeks. Now you get holier-than-thou. Good lord, get lost. STFU, Champ.

Popps
04-14-2009, 01:22 AM
I did not even bother to read your crap you spewed you have become a one trick poney to bad at least one time you had vaule and depth to your posts you have no look but of the company to your post . if you were in Germany IN 1943 you would be raising one hand and chanting hail Hitler .....:flower:

Nothing about my posting style has changed, outside of you not agreeing with my current stance on a few issues.

baja
04-14-2009, 06:20 AM
Hey Pal, Knock yourself out! If you want to mope in your room and wring your hands in fear and loathing the next year two go right ahead, its a free country and you can impose as much unnecessary suffering on yourself as you wish.

There's an ignore feature somewhere here so when we all get tired of your 'glass-is-empty' defeatist, negative act we can just tune you out.

We get it that McD is the Devil and Cutler is a slightly-flawed Jesus Christ figure gone over to the Muslims to escape the devil's wrath for a few remaining Cutler suckers here, and if that's your thing all power to ya.

Most of us here HAVE moved on, no one here is some Pollyanna all is right with the world types either, everyone knows there are many hurdles to winning and McD can still do a great job this year and we still may well miss the playoffs with the size of the challenge here to turn this thing around.

We also know that, like all mortal coils, McD WILL make various 'mistakes' in his career here, especially as a first time coach at only 32, but we also see a guy who's got something going as well, he has a way of inspiring people who take the time to really listen to what he's about and his vision of where he wants to take this team and how.

The rest of us are more than willing to acknowledge mistakes or whatever when they happen and STILL support the coach and the team in this exciting and over due renewal period and have high hopes for early success tempered by knowing the first year two could have more losses than wins.

We want to see some steady progress, even if it takes half a season or a whole one to get everyone going in the right direction and in sync with the brand new offense and defense, both in schemes and personnel.

What most of us don't want to hear is a small group of Lilly-livered, Nervous Nelly's screaming and crying, b****ing and moaning every time and INT happens or we fail to make a first down for the next two years.

All the while rationalizing any successes we have on the field with some sort of BS, cockamamie mind-fart as your lamebrain excuse above for Cassel playing well (i.e. he didn't have time to get nervous! Ha!), as if McD and the offense he managed and help create had nothing to do with it!

The future is an open book and can go either way, and maybe McD does fail, and possibly for reasons that have much less to do with any mistakes he might make than simply bad luck and timing, or maybe it turns out he is in over his head, time will tell.

But he has real chance now to inject some badly needed creativity and discipline and TEAM first ethic into the Broncos that slipped away in recent years as Shanny got a little too stale and complacent in his $35million dollar pool hall!

McD has an extremely difficulty high pressure job and is doing his best from all reports, why not give him the benefit of the doubt and send as much support his way as possible and judge him a failure only IF And When that happens!?

Put down the razor blades and get out of the hot tub, no need to slash your wrists just yet, take a Chill Pill if necessary and enjoy the ride! :strong:

<b>I nomanate this post as required reading for everyone that reads this site.

Can you sticky a post???</b>

Mile High Mojoe
04-14-2009, 09:43 AM
Hey Pal, Knock yourself out! If you want to mope in your room and wring your hands in fear and loathing the next year two go right ahead, its a free country and you can impose as much unnecessary suffering on yourself as you wish.

There's an ignore feature somewhere here so when we all get tired of your 'glass-is-empty' defeatist, negative act we can just tune you out.

We get it that McD is the Devil and Cutler is a slightly-flawed Jesus Christ figure gone over to the Muslims to escape the devil's wrath for a few remaining Cutler suckers here, and if that's your thing all power to ya.

Most of us here HAVE moved on, no one here is some Pollyanna all is right with the world types either, everyone knows there are many hurdles to winning and McD can still do a great job this year and we still may well miss the playoffs with the size of the challenge here to turn this thing around.

We also know that, like all mortal coils, McD WILL make various 'mistakes' in his career here, especially as a first time coach at only 32, but we also see a guy who's got something going as well, he has a way of inspiring people who take the time to really listen to what he's about and his vision of where he wants to take this team and how.

The rest of us are more than willing to acknowledge mistakes or whatever when they happen and STILL support the coach and the team in this exciting and over due renewal period and have high hopes for early success tempered by knowing the first year two could have more losses than wins.

We want to see some steady progress, even if it takes half a season or a whole one to get everyone going in the right direction and in sync with the brand new offense and defense, both in schemes and personnel.

What most of us don't want to hear is a small group of Lilly-livered, Nervous Nelly's screaming and crying, b****ing and moaning every time and INT happens or we fail to make a first down for the next two years.

All the while rationalizing any successes we have on the field with some sort of BS, cockamamie mind-fart as your lamebrain excuse above for Cassel playing well (i.e. he didn't have time to get nervous! Ha!), as if McD and the offense he managed and help create had nothing to do with it!

The future is an open book and can go either way, and maybe McD does fail, and possibly for reasons that have much less to do with any mistakes he might make than simply bad luck and timing, or maybe it turns out he is in over his head, time will tell.

But he has real chance now to inject some badly needed creativity and discipline and TEAM first ethic into the Broncos that slipped away in recent years as Shanny got a little too stale and complacent in his $35million dollar pool hall!

McD has an extremely difficulty high pressure job and is doing his best from all reports, why not give him the benefit of the doubt and send as much support his way as possible and judge him a failure only IF And When that happens!?

Put down the razor blades and get out of the hot tub, no need to slash your wrists just yet, take a Chill Pill if necessary and enjoy the ride! :strong:I liked your post. It's exactly the way I felt when McD was first hired even though Iíd of preferred Steve Spagnuolo or any of the other good Defensive Coaches that were available at the time. The time for a change was right and I also believe that Bowlenís decision to fire Shanahan was justified so I supported that.

Things started to go down hill and I began scratching my head when they fired Bates and then Goodman, worst yet when they hired Nolan as DC. Bowlen claimed that he felt like Shanahan had to much control and that heíd be more involved in personnel decisions but now it doesnít appear that he really meant it. I was still willing to give McD the benefit of the doubt and support him when all of the above mentioned went down and for all of the reasons you have in your post here.

But as soon as I started to read in the media the way McD and Bowlen handled the communication with Cutler on this trade issue he started to lose me. No intelligent NFL Owner, Coach, Player or Fan would have believed that the Broncos would ever consider trading Cutler. Again, Cutler has his share of the blame, he said he didnít want to play in Denver, he said he wanted to be traded, and he acted like an immature little baby nobody disagrees with that.

What I disagree with is that somehow Bowlen and McD remained blameless in this thing when it was up to them to take the higher ground and handle this in a more private professional manner. Yea, Cutler didnít return calls but where was McD for a month? He was hiding in an underground bunker somewhere in Dove Valley because he didnít want to face the media and admit he screwed up. He should have been out in public sincerely supporting Cutler and assuring him he wanted back. Heís half assed attempted at it fell flat and Cutler saw through it, everybody saw through it.

In this stupid battle of egos Owners and Coaches should rise above the fray and let go of pride and arrogance and think more about the team and the fans. A sincere apology by McD in private along with a sincere endorsement in public by both him and Bowlen and we wouldnít be where we are today.

Iím looking forward to the future, Iíll root for the success of the team but way too many people have the wrong idea when it comes to Cutler. He was the best thing we had going for us and once the dust had settled keeping him would have been a far better idea than letting him go. At this point McD deserves all the heat, he got himself there, letís hope he can dig himself out.

RMT
04-14-2009, 03:17 PM
Did you forget about the Defense? Did Cutler play NT, LB or DB? Cutler given the circumstances played great considering the D has been a doormat for 3 years.

doormat?

The Broncos' defense was ranked #14, #19, and #29 over the 2006, 2007, and 2008 seasons, respectively. During that same time the Bears were #5, #26, and #21. That's only an average difference of THREE places in the ranking over those three years.

And Orton still had a better record than Cutler with LESS talent. The fact of the matter is that despite the defense's shortcomings, the offense was a paper tiger. Great until it reached the red zone. That isn't the defense's fault.

Mile High Mojoe
04-15-2009, 12:23 AM
doormat?

The Broncos' defense was ranked #14, #19, and #29 over the 2006, 2007, and 2008 seasons, respectively. During that same time the Bears were #5, #26, and #21. That's only an average difference of THREE places in the ranking over those three years.

And Orton still had a better record than Cutler with LESS talent. The fact of the matter is that despite the defense's shortcomings, the offense was a paper tiger. Great until it reached the red zone. That isn't the defense's fault.The rankings statistics donít effectively state just how bad the Broncos D has been the last 3 years. If the Broncos O were a paper tiger, then the D was a paper termite, again and again the bad D and special teams made the O play with a long field and terrible field position especially in 2008. The Broncos didn't do well in the red zone granted but some of the blame belongs to Shanahanís piss poor play calling. It's part of the reason why I think he deserved to be fired. Heís play calling when from terrible to horrific after the AFC Championship game loss and he wasnít fooling anyone with his red zone offense.

The NFC Norris division was no better or nor worse than the AFC West in 2008 I suppose when you make a comparison for which was more competitive but I think it falls more on the side of the AFC West. Orton is no miracle worker, the Dís in the Norris were some of the most porous in the NFL especially in the backfield. The Vikings, but more so the Packers and the Lions (An absolute joke) would have let Ryan Leaf put up big yards.

I just canít understand why everybody has dog piled on Cutler like he was some kind of bum, he wasnít.

kamakazi_kal
04-15-2009, 07:48 AM
doormat?

The Broncos' defense was ranked #14, #19, and #29 over the 2006, 2007, and 2008 seasons, respectively. During that same time the Bears were #5, #26, and #21. That's only an average difference of THREE places in the ranking over those three years.

And Orton still had a better record than Cutler with LESS talent. The fact of the matter is that despite the defense's shortcomings, the offense was a paper tiger. Great until it reached the red zone. That isn't the defense's fault.

ahhhhh I believe Grossman played most of those games and cmon have you watched orton play? That defense/special teams saved his ass more then anything. He's average, he really is. You can throw whatever numbers out there you want to support your argument, my dad's a bears fan so I watched most of those games, but personally I'm hoping Simms wins the job ............ oh god ...I just threw up in my mouth a little.