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tsiguy96
04-12-2009, 10:13 AM
one of these 4 guys....

tsiguy96
04-12-2009, 10:15 AM
to me, this question is f-ing hard to answer. fitz is great, but i think the other 2 johnsons are slightly better. andre is absolutely unbelievable, but calvin....this guy is the 2nd coming of the best traits of every WR the NFL has ever seen. huge, 4.3 40', makes all the catches. on any other team hes a 1500 yard receiver every single year.

baja
04-12-2009, 10:36 AM
Oh a secret poll I would hate it if some one knew who I voted for. Scary to even think about.

Larry Fitzgerald

kappys
04-12-2009, 10:41 AM
to me, this question is f-ing hard to answer. fitz is great, but i think the other 2 johnsons are slightly better. andre is absolutely unbelievable, but calvin....this guy is the 2nd coming of the best traits of every WR the NFL has ever seen. huge, 4.3 40', makes all the catches. on any other team hes a 1500 yard receiver every single year.

If I was taking a WR for the future I would agree. Not that Fitz has really any years on him but his performance last season particularly going forward into the playoffs was outstanding - have to give it to him for that.

tsiguy96
04-12-2009, 10:46 AM
If I was taking a WR for the future I would agree. Not that Fitz has really any years on him but his performance last season particularly going forward into the playoffs was outstanding - have to give it to him for that.

for the future? calvin just had 1300 yards and like 10 TDs. on the LIONS. he was literaly their only offensive threat and still put up those numbers.

TheDave
04-12-2009, 10:49 AM
Fitz followed closely by Andre Johnson...

SouthStndJunkie
04-12-2009, 10:53 AM
Right now, I would have to vote for Fitz.

Man-Goblin
04-12-2009, 10:58 AM
Right now, I would have to vote for Fitz.

I agree with you. But it's funny because if you took this poll a year ago it would overwhelmingly be Moss. And Plaxico would probably be on the list.

dreasher54
04-12-2009, 11:00 AM
Andre just imagine if he had a qb

kappys
04-12-2009, 11:05 AM
for the future? calvin just had 1300 yards and like 10 TDs. on the LIONS. he was literaly their only offensive threat and still put up those numbers.

You're only as good as your last season and Fitz was outstanding. Yes Clavin did a great job when you consider that he plays for the Lions but he didn't match the feats that Larry did. That said if I was to do a fantasy draft Madden style for the coming year I would chose Calvin.

Natedog24
04-12-2009, 11:10 AM
I voted for Calvin, dang private poll...

epicSocialism4tw
04-12-2009, 11:18 AM
Fitzgerald made the big plays in the big game. If Arizona's D comes up with only a couple of plays in that game, Fitzgerald is the MVP.

Fitzgerald is the standard that those other guys want to achieve right now, so its obviously Fitzgerald.

27atwater
04-12-2009, 11:27 AM
Fitz is the most well rounded and pro-team. BUT, when he wants to play hard and play the right way...noone can hold Moss's jock. Problem is, it's a rarity that he wants to play hard.

gyldenlove
04-12-2009, 11:37 AM
Over the course of a season its Fitzgerald.

In a single game if everybody is healthy, it is Andre Johnson.

Fitzgerald is the whole package, he has magic hands, he is big, he is deceptively fast, he runs some sweet routes and has a good eye for coverage, he can outmuscle people, he can block and he competes, he can outjump people and drag the toes for a sideline catch.

Andre Johnson is a beast and would be the best if he didn't have healthy issues. He is athletically on a different plane than almost everybody else, his hands are sweet and he can make any catch. He is a guy who can get out of double coverage consistently.

Moss is a guy who needs someone who can use his speed, give him a rifle armed QB who can lead him and he will dominate like nobody else, but over the middle and in the tight areas he is not as good as Johnson or Fitzgerald.

Calvin Johnson could be the best, but he is a rung or two below Andre Johnson and Fitzgerald right now, I would say Boldin, Steve Smith, Reggie Wayne and Roddy White are all in the same class as Calvin Johnson.

OABB
04-12-2009, 11:57 AM
eddie royal.





/homer glasses off

Archer81
04-12-2009, 11:58 AM
Fitzgerald. That man alone is the reason the Cardinals made it to the superbowl, and had a chance to win it.

:Broncos:

ludo21
04-12-2009, 12:03 PM
Right now its Fitz, he was beastly this year.

Cant go wrong with any of those guys though. I hope Marshall puts together another good year and then we can start talking about him on this list.

atomicbloke
04-12-2009, 12:52 PM
How come Ashley Lelie wasn't on the list?

BroncoBuff
04-12-2009, 01:04 PM
Fitz

Doggcow
04-12-2009, 01:05 PM
Andre just imagine if he had a qb

Same could be said about Calvin.

epicSocialism4tw
04-12-2009, 01:09 PM
You dont have to imagine anything about Fitzgerald. He gets it done and the proof is in the pudding.

Doggcow
04-12-2009, 01:14 PM
You dont have to imagine anything about Fitzgerald. He gets it done and the proof is in the pudding.

And you'd take Ben Roethlisberger over Peyton Manning any day right? Because he's proven it with 2 superbowl rings to Peytons 1?

Popps
04-12-2009, 01:20 PM
I think Johnson is right on Fitz' trail, especially considering what he did last year stats-wise, and where he did it.

Just imagine Johnson with any semblance of an offense/QB.

But, Fitz is the king, right now. He's been absolutely unstoppable.

DBBBSBS
04-12-2009, 01:29 PM
Fitz .. for sure, but that list should show steve smith for sure

Rock Chalk
04-12-2009, 02:21 PM
If I were to rate them it would go like this:

Fitz: 10
Andre: 9.5
Calvin: 9
Randy Moss: 5. Moss at his peak wanting to play is a 10 though. He is not at his peak anymore, and his ONLY good attribute left to him is his vertical jump. He cant run "routes", he's not as fast as he used to be and he doesnt block or go over the middle. There are about a dozen or so receivers, maybe more, that Id take over Moss at this point.

Kaylore
04-12-2009, 04:23 PM
It's actually closer than it looks, but I think the poll is right. Calvin Johnson has some polishing to do, and with a decent QB he'll make his mark. He's not there yet. Fitzgerald seems like the complete package right now. Andre Johnson is a very close second, but he gets nicked up a lot, and Moss still takes plays off and is getting old.

elsid13
04-12-2009, 04:29 PM
I am giving it to Andre Johnson, Fitz has Boldin on the other side to keep defenses honest and force them to play Fitz one on one.

epicSocialism4tw
04-12-2009, 05:05 PM
And you'd take Ben Roethlisberger over Peyton Manning any day right? Because he's proven it with 2 superbowl rings to Peytons 1?

That argument doesnt even make sense.

SoCalBronco
04-12-2009, 07:03 PM
I'm going to vote homer and thus vote for Andre Johnson.

LongDongJohnson
04-12-2009, 08:10 PM
wheres the option to vote for glenn martinez the first player with the last name of martinez to ever score a touchdown

Garcia Bronco
04-12-2009, 08:32 PM
Eddie Royal

KillerBronco#76
04-12-2009, 08:44 PM
If it was a list of 5 i would have to put Marshall right below them. Also, he would be ranked the #1 receiver with the ball in his hands. I dont think anyone can question that.

Calvin will soon be the best though physically, he is more intimidating than Moss. Marshall is on the rise were gonna have a good time watching him in this offense. It's pretty much based around him.

ludo21
04-12-2009, 08:58 PM
If it was a list of 5 i would have to put Marshall right below them. Also, he would be ranked the #1 receiver with the ball in his hands. I dont think anyone can question that.

Calvin will soon be the best though physically, he is more intimidating than Moss. Marshall is on the rise were gonna have a good time watching him in this offense. It's pretty much based around him.

I would talk Anquan with the ball in his hands as well. Both are equally dangerous imo.

ZONA
04-13-2009, 01:01 AM
Maybe this guy doesn't have all the physical tools some of the others do but I would take Hines Ward on my team any day of the week. He is so clutch, totally unselfish and just has a knack for making big plays at the most crucial times.

Ramathorn
04-13-2009, 03:44 AM
This is not an accurate poll without steve smith from the panthers. Far and away the best wr in the NFL.

SportinOne
04-13-2009, 04:30 AM
If I were to rate them it would go like this:

Fitz: 10
Andre: 9.5
Calvin: 9
Randy Moss: 5. Moss at his peak wanting to play is a 10 though. He is not at his peak anymore, and his ONLY good attribute left to him is his vertical jump. He cant run "routes", he's not as fast as he used to be and he doesnt block or go over the middle. There are about a dozen or so receivers, maybe more, that Id take over Moss at this point.

For planning a team, I agree with this but Moss is a Bernard Pollard away from a 23 TD Season. If he had Brady last year his numbers would look a LOT better. That said, I'm not sure if he's the best. I just don't think he's a 5.

Rashid242
04-19-2009, 02:52 PM
For planning a team, I agree with this but Moss is a Bernard Pollard away from a 23 TD Season. If he had Brady last year his numbers would look a LOT better. That said, I'm not sure if he's the best. I just don't think he's a 5.

Agreed. That was just retarded. 69 grabs for 1008 yards & 11 TD's with Matt Cassel ain't bad. It looks better when was by far the least THROWN TO out of all on that list. So that's one less TD then Fitz & Johnson despite being thrown to way less.

Andre Johnson is the best with Fitz 2nd & Steve Smith 3rd.

Moss is 4th with Calvin 5th.

Moss is the biggest threat to score a TD out of the whole bunch still though.

Where's Plummer???
04-19-2009, 03:21 PM
If I were to rate them it would go like this:

Fitz: 10
Andre: 9.5
Calvin: 9
Randy Moss: 5. Moss at his peak wanting to play is a 10 though. He is not at his peak anymore, and his ONLY good attribute left to him is his vertical jump. He cant run "routes", he's not as fast as he used to be and he doesnt block or go over the middle. There are about a dozen or so receivers, maybe more, that Id take over Moss at this point.

Right on... perfect point... but as far as a receiver who is great after the catch... i would say none of these guys... dont get me wrong there all good.. but one of those elusive WRs... Royal. he has everything but the height. and steve smith would be my number one receiver w/ fitz right behind and hines ward right behind... noone is as tough as that guy.

BroncoMan4ever
04-19-2009, 03:28 PM
i say Fitzgerald, but i think with regularity at the QB position instead of Rosenfels one week Schaub the other, Johnson would overtake Fitzgerald as top WR in the league.

i think if you put Johnson on a team with a good QB where he wasn't the only weapon on the offensive side of the ball, that he would be without question the best in the league.

Inkana7
04-19-2009, 03:54 PM
Right on... perfect point... but as far as a receiver who is great after the catch... i would say none of these guys... dont get me wrong there all good.. but one of those elusive WRs... Royal. he has everything but the height. and steve smith would be my number one receiver w/ fitz right behind and hines ward right behind... noone is as tough as that guy.

Hines Ward sucks and Andre Johnson is awesome after the catch. Royal isn't even close to those guys.

Where's Plummer???
04-19-2009, 04:07 PM
Hines Ward sucks and Andre Johnson is awesome after the catch. Royal isn't even close to those guys.

how many WRs can you say will put your lights out as hard or harder than a line backer?

Inkana7
04-19-2009, 04:15 PM
how many WRs can you say will put your lights out as hard or harder than a line backer?

Who ****ing cares if he can blindside someone? I guess that makes Jon Runyan a top tier WR too. Hines Ward is not an elite productive receiver, he was borderline in 2004 and that was it.

SureShot
04-19-2009, 04:28 PM
I think an angry Steve Smith is the best WR in the league.

TheChamp24
04-19-2009, 04:40 PM
If it was a list of 5 i would have to put Marshall right below them. Also, he would be ranked the #1 receiver with the ball in his hands. I dont think anyone can question that.

Calvin will soon be the best though physically, he is more intimidating than Moss. Marshall is on the rise were gonna have a good time watching him in this offense. It's pretty much based around him.

Marshall is further down the list than you think. I think he is overrated by some of us Bronco fans.
He is good and all, but I wouldn't call him a top 5 WR, and maybe borderline in the top 10 discussions right now.
Marshall battles inconsistency, its easy to frustrate him, his drops, misreads his routes and the biggest thing is his lack of TD's. Kevin Walter had more TD receptions than Marshall last year.
If he works harder and progresses like he should, then we can start. But he needs to get that TD total up.

And I'd vote Fitzgerald the best.

BroncoMan4ever
04-19-2009, 06:16 PM
How come Ashley Lelie wasn't on the list?

are you kidding? with Lelie's mad skills there is no competition. this is a list of best receiver after the God known as Ashley Lelie. it ranks like this, Lelie and then everyone else.

thought you would know that.

BroncoMan4ever
04-19-2009, 06:19 PM
Maybe this guy doesn't have all the physical tools some of the others do but I would take Hines Ward on my team any day of the week. He is so clutch, totally unselfish and just has a knack for making big plays at the most crucial times.

i agree. that dude is basically Pittsburgh's Rod Smith. the ultimate team guy, willing to do anything it takes to win, a fierce blocker, great hands.

i would love to have Ward in Denver.

dreasher54
04-19-2009, 06:44 PM
Same could be said about Calvin.

true

Willynowei
04-19-2009, 08:44 PM
On that list i went with Andre Johnson. The problem with picking Fitz is that a lot of teams under estimated him in the post season despite his production. His ability to succeed next year when defensive game plans revolve around him the way that it does around guys like Moss and Andre Johnson, that's going to be more telling on where he belongs as the leagues top WR.

I'm still skeptical about Fitz ability to beat double coverage when the chips are down. He doesn't present the same physical mismatches that receivers in his class does.

Rashid242
04-19-2009, 09:24 PM
On that list i went with Andre Johnson. The problem with picking Fitz is that a lot of teams under estimated him in the post season despite his production. His ability to succeed next year when defensive game plans revolve around him the way that it does around guys like Moss and Andre Johnson, that's going to be more telling on where he belongs as the leagues top WR.

I'm still skeptical about Fitz ability to beat double coverage when the chips are down. He doesn't present the same physical mismatches that receivers in his class does.

Agreed. He doesn't have both Johnson's or Moss' speed. All three are clearly faster.

Inkana7
04-20-2009, 11:25 AM
On that list i went with Andre Johnson. The problem with picking Fitz is that a lot of teams under estimated him in the post season despite his production. His ability to succeed next year when defensive game plans revolve around him the way that it does around guys like Moss and Andre Johnson, that's going to be more telling on where he belongs as the leagues top WR.

I'm still skeptical about Fitz ability to beat double coverage when the chips are down. He doesn't present the same physical mismatches that receivers in his class does.

Dude, did you watch the Super Bowl? The Steelers had Polamalu rolled his way with no regard for anyone else the entire game and he was still the MVP. Fitz beat the double team and made it look easy.

razorwire77
04-20-2009, 11:36 AM
Fitz with Andre a close second. Fitz is basically a bigger, faster, stronger version of Rod Smith. It's scary how good he is.

empulse
04-20-2009, 11:38 AM
Fitz. By a long shot.

Rock Chalk
04-20-2009, 11:47 AM
On that list i went with Andre Johnson. The problem with picking Fitz is that a lot of teams under estimated him in the post season despite his production. His ability to succeed next year when defensive game plans revolve around him the way that it does around guys like Moss and Andre Johnson, that's going to be more telling on where he belongs as the leagues top WR.

I'm still skeptical about Fitz ability to beat double coverage when the chips are down. He doesn't present the same physical mismatches that receivers in his class does.

I disagree with this assessment of Fitz completely.
1) He was not underestimated by anyone in the playoffs last year, he just couldnt be stopped.
2) Fitz has the same ability to jump for balls as Moss and arguably better hands than Moss ever had and thats a HUGE compliment because Moss has some of the best hands of anyone. He's not the fastest, cant jump the highest and isnt the biggest but he is extremely good in every aspect of his game and is a COMPLETE receiver in that regard.
3) He is one of the most consistent receivers in the league and doesnt get injured.

I dont know what else you would want from a receiver but Fitz has it all in spades.

Willynowei
04-20-2009, 12:50 PM
I disagree with this assessment of Fitz completely.
1) He was not underestimated by anyone in the playoffs last year, he just couldnt be stopped.
2) Fitz has the same ability to jump for balls as Moss and arguably better hands than Moss ever had and thats a HUGE compliment because Moss has some of the best hands of anyone. He's not the fastest, cant jump the highest and isnt the biggest but he is extremely good in every aspect of his game and is a COMPLETE receiver in that regard.
3) He is one of the most consistent receivers in the league and doesnt get injured.

I dont know what else you would want from a receiver but Fitz has it all in spades.

He might time his jumps and focus on the ball better than anyone in the NFL, I could see an argument for best receiver with the ball in the air.

In terms of getting open, getting deep, getting separation, I don't think he's as good as the other guys in his category. But hey, neither was Jerry Rice, I just think there are better athletes at the WR position who scare me more.

tsiguy96
04-20-2009, 12:56 PM
wait til we see calvin johnson on a good team with a real oline and QB. 1500 yards every year, minimum

Rock Chalk
04-20-2009, 03:30 PM
He might time his jumps and focus on the ball better than anyone in the NFL, I could see an argument for best receiver with the ball in the air.

In terms of getting open, getting deep, getting separation, I don't think he's as good as the other guys in his category. But hey, neither was Jerry Rice, I just think there are better athletes at the WR position who scare me more.

Thats fine you dont think he is the best WR, I wasnt disputing that. Just your assessment of his skills. I dont think that Fitz is maybe the best in any of those categories you mentioned in your second paragraph, but he is top 3 in all of them and I dont see any other receiver in the league that is top 3 in all of them.

WyoLaw
04-20-2009, 03:52 PM
How is Randy Moss even mentioned?

TheChamp24
04-20-2009, 05:45 PM
How is Randy Moss even mentioned?

I think the fact he has 800+ catches, 13,000+ yards and 130+ TD's and is only 32.
Oh, and just 2 years ago he had receiving record for TD's in a season.