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Taco John
04-10-2009, 05:22 PM
Use this thread to nominate the dumbest FRONT OFFICE moves of the last decade. We'll vote on them later - this is just a nomination and discussion thread.

lazarus4444
04-10-2009, 05:28 PM
Detroit hiring Matt Millen as GM AND sticking with him for so long.

ColoradoDarin
04-10-2009, 05:29 PM
Detroit hiring Matt Millen as GM AND sticking with him for so long.

/end thread.

oubronco
04-10-2009, 05:31 PM
Hiring McD and allowing him to jettison our starting QB and have control after Bowlen stated everything would go thru him

Inkana7
04-10-2009, 05:42 PM
Hiring McD and allowing him to jettison our starting QB and have control after Bowlen stated everything would go thru him

Yawn.

scorpio
04-10-2009, 05:46 PM
Use this thread to nominate the dumbest FRONT OFFICE moves of the last decade. We'll vote on them later - this is just a nomination and discussion thread.

very subtle.

Inkana7
04-10-2009, 05:49 PM
The Ricky Williams trade.

bombquixote
04-10-2009, 05:55 PM
Basically everything the Raiders have done in the last seven years.

Rohirrim
04-10-2009, 06:14 PM
http://www.uk-discount-fishing-tackle.co.uk/acatalog/Sunset_fishing.jpg

baja
04-10-2009, 06:29 PM
http://www.mymobilepark.com/files/games/feature-1558.png

Rock Chalk
04-10-2009, 06:40 PM
Im gonna go with The Ford family's hiring of Matt Millen.

People can say whatever the hell they want to about Bowlen and THIS year, but NO ONE takes the cake year by year like Matt Millen did.

A close second is Dan Snyder.

BroncoBuff
04-10-2009, 06:49 PM
#2. Broncos trading away Jay Cutler
#3. Shanahan refusing to fire Bob Slowick
#4. Pat Bowlen Firing Mike Shanahan
#5. Pat Bowlen Firing Jim Goodman
#6. Selecting Alex Smith ahead of Aaron Rodgers
#7. Selecting Vince Young ahead of Jay Cutler
#8. Selecting Matt Leinart ahead of Jay Cutler
#9. Selecting Michael Huff ahead of Jay Cutler
#10 Selecting Ashley Lelie ahead of Ed Reed


(#1 is of course Matt Millen. I'm a Jay Cutler fan, but I'm not an idiot ;D)

Rock Chalk
04-10-2009, 06:50 PM
#2. Trading Jay Cutler
#3. Shanahan refusing to fire Slowick
#4. Firing Mike Shanahan
#5. Firing Jim Goodman
#6. Choosing Alex Smith over Aaron Rodgers
#7. Choosing Vince Young over Jay Cutler
#8. Choosing Matt Leinart over Jay Cutler
#9. Choosing Michael Huff over Jay Cutler
#10 Choosing Ashley Lelie over Ed Reed


(#1 is of course Matt Millen ... I'm a Jay Cutler fan, but I'm not an idiot ;D)

Not for nothing but Lienart and Young have both been to the playoffs, Cutler has not. Hahaha. ****ing retard.

And your 6-10 choices are retarded because in the last decade Tom Brady was drafted in the 6th round so that means that 32 teams passes on him at LEAST 5 times. Which would put your 6-10 choices AT LEAST behind all of those teams AT LEAST 5 times.

BroncoBuff
04-10-2009, 06:52 PM
Not for nothing but Lienart and Young have both been to the playoffs, Cutler has not. Hahaha. ****ing retard.

And your 6-10 choices are retarded because in the last decade Tom Brady was drafted in the 6th round so that means that 32 teams passes on him at LEAST 5 times. Which would put your 6-10 choices AT LEAST behind all of those teams AT LEAST 5 times.

Ahhh, you're just mad cause I'm right.

Rock Chalk
04-10-2009, 06:55 PM
Ahhh, you're just mad cause I'm right.

Right about what? You havent been right since you arrived on this site. You are batting .000 which is only slightly worse than Taco's .001 percentage.

I think Casey, Im going to enforce our bet now. You must leave the site forever. You lost the bet, Im collecting.

BroncoBuff
04-10-2009, 07:12 PM
Right about what? You havent been right since you arrived on this site. You are batting .000 which is only slightly worse than Taco's .001 percentage.

I think Casey, Im going to enforce our bet now. You must leave the site forever. You lost the bet, Im collecting.

I am so sorry. Click here. (http://dictionary.law.com/default2.asp?typed=statute+of+limitations&type=1)

TDmvp
04-10-2009, 07:16 PM
Every move the Bengals make ... end thread ...

baja
04-10-2009, 07:24 PM
Al Davis from 65 years old forward.

521 1N5
04-10-2009, 07:24 PM
Hiring McD and allowing him to jettison our starting QB and have control after Bowlen stated everything would go thru him

nope

baja
04-10-2009, 07:26 PM
Reeves attempting to trade Elway than drafting a QB with a 1st rd pick.

Hogan11
04-10-2009, 07:32 PM
The Ricky Williams trade.

Yup. The Saints shipping off their entire 1999 draft for Rasta Williams ranks right up there with the Vikings H. Walker trade.

Arkie
04-10-2009, 07:43 PM
Not for nothing but Lienart and Young have both been to the playoffs, Cutler has not. Hahaha. ****ing retard.

And your 6-10 choices are retarded because in the last decade Tom Brady was drafted in the 6th round so that means that 32 teams passes on him at LEAST 5 times. Which would put your 6-10 choices AT LEAST behind all of those teams AT LEAST 5 times.

I thought 1-5 were dumb because they aren't based on actual results from the moves.

edit: I now see that #1 is Matt Millen. So, 2-5 aren't based on actual results.

Killericon
04-10-2009, 07:56 PM
I think that any moves that haven't yielded any results should be omitted from nomination.

FADERPROOF
04-10-2009, 08:10 PM
Both involved with San Diego for smart choices...

1.) Trading the 1st pick to Atlanta, ATL takes Michael Vick while S.D. takes both LaDainian Tomlinson and Drew Drees in that draft.

2.) Swapping QB's Eli Manning to N.Y. Giants for Phillip Rivers, true Eli has a SB Ring but Rivers is a better QB and the Chargers got a 1st round pick in the next years draft in which they selected Shawn Merriman.

FADERPROOF
04-10-2009, 08:11 PM
Not for nothing but Lienart and Young have both been to the playoffs, Cutler has not. Hahaha. ****ing retard.

And your 6-10 choices are retarded because in the last decade Tom Brady was drafted in the 6th round so that means that 32 teams passes on him at LEAST 5 times. Which would put your 6-10 choices AT LEAST behind all of those teams AT LEAST 5 times.

Leinart watching Kurt Warner on the field in the playoffs constitutes him making it?

Guess our expectations of a 1st round QB are a bit different.

loborugger
04-10-2009, 08:17 PM
Hiring McD and allowing him to jettison our starting QB and have control after Bowlen stated everything would go thru him

When you compare that to Millen, it doesnt stack up - not even close.

For a little variety - how about Oakland drafting Jano with a first round pick? How about bringing TO into Philly after he left a trail of destruction in SF?

loborugger
04-10-2009, 08:18 PM
Reeves attempting to trade Elway than drafting a QB with a 1st rd pick.

Last decade???

Rock Chalk
04-10-2009, 08:20 PM
I am so sorry. Click here. (http://dictionary.law.com/default2.asp?typed=statute+of+limitations&type=1)

Doesnt mention anything about a bet.

Archer81
04-10-2009, 08:20 PM
Lions going WR for three straight drafts. Its attached to Millen, but you have to seperate this special nugget from the Millen pile.


:Broncos:

Rock Chalk
04-10-2009, 08:22 PM
Leinart watching Kurt Warner on the field in the playoffs constitutes him making it?

Guess our expectations of a 1st round QB are a bit different.

No, but he DID make the playoffs and he DID go to teh Superbowl and Vince Young DID QB his team to the playoffs and he HAS been to the playoffs twice.

Notice how I didnt mention anything about the TEAMS they played on.

Go back to being a loser and not posting, you suck at it now.

Killericon
04-10-2009, 08:33 PM
When you compare that to Millen, it doesnt stack up - not even close.

For a little variety - how about Oakland drafting Jano with a first round pick? How about bringing TO into Philly after he left a trail of destruction in SF?

Yeah...THAT was a disaster...I mean, it only got them to the Super Bowl. ???

It's funny thinking this, what with how much they got for him, but the Raiders trading Gruden was the beginning of the end for them...

Rock Chalk
04-10-2009, 08:36 PM
Lions going WR for three straight drafts. Its attached to Millen, but you have to seperate this special nugget from the Millen pile.


:Broncos:

Eh, I just add it on to the Millen pile, afterall he was responsible for all three of those drafts.

God, never has there been a bigger front office disaster than the Matt Millen fiasco in Detroit. So horrendous was it that it ultimately produced the first 0-16 season.

epicSocialism4tw
04-10-2009, 08:44 PM
The hiring of McD and the subsequent decisions to take the franchise into full rebuilding mode right when momentum was building could be the worst decision in Broncos franchise history. How that ranks in terms of the NFL is beyond me.

McD
-begins career in Denver by deciding to shift defensive schemes. When doing this he decides to emphasize the weakest part of the defense (linebackers) and jettisons the Broncos' best front 7 player in Ekuban.
-Jettisons Dre Bly with nothing to replace him with
-follows that one up with a doozy. Trades a franchise cornerstone QB (and a 5th) for two mid-to-late first round draft picks, a mid-to-late third rounder, and a marginal NFL starting QB.

McD really thinks alot of himself.

Rock Chalk
04-10-2009, 08:45 PM
The hiring of McD and the subsequent decisions to take the franchise into full rebuilding mode right when momentum was building could be the worst decision in Broncos franchise history. How that ranks in terms of the NFL is beyond me.

McD
-begins career in Denver by deciding to shift defensive schemes. When doing this he decides to emphasize the weakest part of the defense (linebackers) and jettisons the Broncos' best front 7 player in Ekuban.
-Jettisons Dre Bly with nothing to replace him with
-follows that one up with a doozy. Trades a franchise cornerstone QB (and a 5th) for two mid-to-late first round draft picks, a mid-to-late third rounder, and a marginal NFL starting QB.

McD really thinks alot of himself.

Right when the moment was building to a blowing a 3 game division lead with 3 games to play huh?

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baja
04-10-2009, 08:47 PM
Last decade???

Just joking, it's Milen hands down.......... not even close.

Archer81
04-10-2009, 08:48 PM
The hiring of McD and the subsequent decisions to take the franchise into full rebuilding mode right when momentum was building could be the worst decision in Broncos franchise history. How that ranks in terms of the NFL is beyond me.

McD
-begins career in Denver by deciding to shift defensive schemes. When doing this he decides to emphasize the weakest part of the defense (linebackers) and jettisons the Broncos' best front 7 player in Ekuban.
-Jettisons Dre Bly with nothing to replace him with
-follows that one up with a doozy. Trades a franchise cornerstone QB (and a 5th) for two mid-to-late first round draft picks, a mid-to-late third rounder, and a marginal NFL starting QB.

McD really thinks alot of himself.

Ekuban wouldnt have started on any other roster.

We knew any coach we brought in would dismantle the current defense and build one in the way they want. We happened to hire a HC who prefers a 3-4.

His name is Andre Goodman. A solid CB who is 3 years younger than Bly and can actually play physical football. (IE TACKLE)

Jay was a very good QB. Who in 2+ seasons only won 17 games. No playoff appearances and played his worst football down the stretch. He also showed signs of wanting out when Shanahan and Bates were fired.

to call this a franchise "worst" is a stretch.

:Broncos:

phillybroncosnut
04-10-2009, 09:01 PM
No brainer. Saints trading an ENITRE draft for Ricky Williams.

Rock Chalk
04-10-2009, 09:03 PM
No brainer. Saints trading an ENITRE draft for Ricky Williams.

One year does not make a whole decade.

thats gotta be up there with worst single season FO mistakes ever, but the Saints over 10 years arent in the conversation IMO.

Bronco Bob
04-10-2009, 09:28 PM
Sticking with Matt Millen as GM for the Lions for so long.

ColoradoDarin
04-10-2009, 09:44 PM
Seriously, why is anyone arguing this, there is only one team in the entire history of the NFL to go 0-16. And it's not like it's a one year anomaly for Detroit either. They have been pathetic for the better part of the last decade (the time frame we're talking about).

Even if the Broncos somehow go 2-14 it's still miles better than the team Detroit fielded last season.

During the same time, the Bengals have been to the postseason, we've been to the AFCCG. Heck, the closest team to them in terms of futility over the last 7 years is the raiders, and they even lost a Superbowl just before that.

1. Detroit - the Millen <strike>Error</strike> Era speaks for itself
2. raiders - signing Javon "the knee" Walker, Hall's paycheck, Wilson's paycheck just for 3 examples from last year.
3. Everyone else.

Popps
04-10-2009, 09:51 PM
The hiring of McD and the subsequent decisions to take the franchise into full rebuilding mode right when momentum was

Momentum? Are you kidding?

As for "full rebuilding mode," you have no idea if that's where we'll end up. We haven't played a single game. Miami wasn't considered a playoff team at the start of last season.

You're just hoping.

Kaylore
04-10-2009, 09:58 PM
Can we make it like from 95-2005? I know a lot of people want to play prophet on here and predict our trade was "the worst ever", but we don't know how bad or good the decision was until a few years out. No matter what anyone claims to know, anyone that doesn't have a time machine can't say. My vote is for Matt Millen taking four receivers in five years with top ten picks.

yerner
04-10-2009, 10:07 PM
dennis miller. kind of a sidenote.

FADERPROOF
04-10-2009, 10:37 PM
No, but he DID make the playoffs and he DID go to teh Superbowl and Vince Young DID QB his team to the playoffs and he HAS been to the playoffs twice.

Notice how I didnt mention anything about the TEAMS they played on.

Go back to being a loser and not posting, you suck at it now.

Never said anything about Vince Young, but if you'd like to throw that in for justification then go ahead.

Go back to being a loser, then again you'd have to go back to before this site was even around.

TheChamp24
04-10-2009, 10:58 PM
Cowboys trading 2 first round picks for Joey Galloway should rank up there.

Bob's your Information Minister
04-10-2009, 11:39 PM
Carl Peterson re-hiring Gunther Cunningham.

Furthered the damage inflicted by Greg Robinson.

DHallblows
04-10-2009, 11:49 PM
Not for nothing but Lienart and Young have both been to the playoffs, Cutler has not. Hahaha. ****ing retard.

...you can't honestly give those 2 credit for playoff appearances??!! Nobody thinks they are better QBs than Cutler...

Atwater His Ass
04-11-2009, 12:00 AM
...you can't honestly give those 2 credit for playoff appearances??!! Nobody thinks they are better QBs than Cutler...

He's a moron man, don't even bother replying to him. Every post just shows either A) how little he actually understands the game or B) he's just pushing his agenda while losing all objectivity to what is really going on.

In either case, not worth your time.

BroncoMan4ever
04-11-2009, 12:19 AM
Im gonna go with The Ford family's hiring of Matt Millen.

People can say whatever the hell they want to about Bowlen and THIS year, but NO ONE takes the cake year by year like Matt Millen did.

A close second is Dan Snyder.

i don't think the actual hiring of Millen can be called the worst Front Office decision of the last decade.

Keeping him employed as long as they did was the biggest mistake of the last decade for a front office.

BroncoMan4ever
04-11-2009, 12:22 AM
Al Davis from 65 years old forward.

dude the thread is front office mistakes of the last decade. Al Davis hasn't been 65 since like 1990

so appropriately it would be Al Davis from 80 years old forward

BroncoMan4ever
04-11-2009, 12:23 AM
Yup. The Saints shipping off their entire 1999 draft for Rasta Williams ranks right up there with the Vikings H. Walker trade.

where does the retarded as hell contract his agent Master P got him on his rookie deal land in all time stupidity?

BroncoMan4ever
04-11-2009, 12:30 AM
The hiring of McD and the subsequent decisions to take the franchise into full rebuilding mode right when momentum was building could be the worst decision in Broncos franchise history. How that ranks in terms of the NFL is beyond me.

McD
-begins career in Denver by deciding to shift defensive schemes. When doing this he decides to emphasize the weakest part of the defense (linebackers) and jettisons the Broncos' best front 7 player in Ekuban.
-Jettisons Dre Bly with nothing to replace him with
-follows that one up with a doozy. Trades a franchise cornerstone QB (and a 5th) for two mid-to-late first round draft picks, a mid-to-late third rounder, and a marginal NFL starting QB.

McD really thinks alot of himself.


dude i am sorry, but i have to call you on this. i was on the side of Jay, but until a full season plays out, i can't even put this into a thought for worst decisions by a front office.

i mean who's to say Jay doesn't get to Chicago and fall flat on his face, and with the draft picks we got for him we draft 3 perenial pro bowlers and Orton has a career resurgance and becomes our franchise QB and we end up as contenders as soon as this season.

i know that right now that scenario is highly unlikely but we can't call this situation a failure a full 4 months before the season begins.

also our defense was so bad that a change in schemes and players is the best and only thing we could have done.

Bly played decent for us at the end of last season but wasn't worth the money he was getting, he was getting up there in age and didn't fit the scheme we now are going to run

Ekuban was good for us, but he is not a 3-4 DE and can't make the transition to 3-4 OLB at his age and diminishing skill level. he looked good for us on a garbage defense, but as of right now has yet to be signed to any other team in the league meaning he wasn't that great, just light years better than the other guys who played alongside him here in denver

Jay didn't want to be here. he wanted out after Mike was fired. then after a slight trade miscommunication, he had his mind made up that he was done here.

getting a QB with game experience, great leadership ability, a better attitude than Jay had, and a better record as well, a 3rd rounder, and 2-1sts was a good move in a trade for a guy who had no desire to play here anymore.

Kaylore
04-11-2009, 08:57 AM
Broncoman, that's DramaLlama you're talking to. He's our resident Waltonism expert and he's just doin' his thang, bro.

Tombstone RJ
04-11-2009, 09:40 AM
Detroit hiring Matt Millen as GM AND sticking with him for so long.

Wow, nailed it on the first post of this thead. Nice....:thanku:

Punisher
04-11-2009, 09:51 AM
The 1999 Draft the Browns take Tim Couch over everybody in one of the most deepest Draft Classes

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<td>Quarterback</td> <td>UCLA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UCLA_Bruins_football)</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center">13</td> <td>Pittsburgh Steelers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_Steelers)</td> <td>Troy Edwards (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Edwards)</td> <td>Wide Receiver</td> <td>Louisiana Tech (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisiana_Tech_University)</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center">14</td> <td>Kansas City Chiefs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_City_Chiefs)</td> <td>John Tait (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Tait_%28football%29)</td> <td>Tackle</td> <td>Brigham Young (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brigham_Young_Cougars_football)</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center">15</td> <td>Tampa Bay Buccaneers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tampa_Bay_Buccaneers)</td> <td>Anthony McFarland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_McFarland)</td> <td>Defensive Tackle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defensive_tackle)</td> <td>LSU (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LSU_Tigers_football)</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center">16</td> <td>Tennessee Titans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_Titans)</td> <td bgcolor="#ffcc00">Jevon Kearse (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jevon_Kearse)</td> <td>Defensive End (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defensive_end)</td> <td>Florida (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_Gators_football)</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center">17</td> <td>New England Patriots (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_England_Patriots) <sup>(From Seattle Seahawks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_Seahawks))</sup></td> <td bgcolor="#ffcc00">Damien Woody (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damien_Woody)</td> <td>Center</td> <td>Boston College (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_College_Eagles_football)</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center">18</td> <td>Oakland Raiders (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakland_Raiders)</td> <td>Matt Stinchcomb (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Stinchcomb)</td> <td>Tackle</td> <td>Georgia</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center">19</td> <td>New York Giants (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Giants)</td> <td>Luke Petitgout (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luke_Petitgout)</td> <td>Tackle</td> <td>Notre Dame (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notre_Dame_Fighting_Irish_football)</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center">20</td> <td>Dallas Cowboys (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallas_Cowboys) <sup>(From New England Patriots via Seattle Seahawks)</sup></td> <td>Ebenezer Ekuban (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebenezer_Ekuban)</td> <td>Defensive End</td> <td>North Carolina (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Carolina_Tar_Heels_football)</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center">21</td> <td>Arizona Cardinals</td> <td>L.J. Shelton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L.J._Shelton)</td> <td>Tackle</td> <td>Eastern Michigan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Michigan_University)</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center">22</td> <td>Seattle Seahawks <sup>(From Dallas Cowboys)</sup></td> <td>Lamar King (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamar_King)</td> <td>Defensive End</td> <td>Saginaw Valley State (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saginaw_Valley_State_University)</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center">23</td> <td>Buffalo Bills (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_Bills)</td> <td bgcolor="#ffcc00">Antoine Winfield (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antoine_Winfield)</td> <td>Defensive Back</td> <td>Ohio State</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center">24</td> <td>San Francisco 49ers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco_49ers) <sup>(From Miami Dolphins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_Dolphins))</sup></td> <td>Reggie McGrew (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reggie_McGrew)</td> <td>Defensive Tackle</td> <td>Florida</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center">25</td> <td>Green Bay Packers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Bay_Packers)</td> <td>Antuan Edwards (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antuan_Edwards)</td> <td>Defensive Back</td> <td>Clemson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clemson_Tigers_football)</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center">26</td> <td>Jacksonville Jaguars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacksonville_Jaguars)</td> <td>Fernando Bryant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fernando_Bryant)</td> <td>Defensive Back</td> <td>Alabama (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alabama_Crimson_Tide_football)</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center">27</td> <td>Detroit Lions <sup>(From San Francisco 49ers via Miami Dolphins)</sup></td> <td>Aaron Gibson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Gibson)</td> <td>Tackle</td> <td>Wisconsin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisconsin_Badgers_football)</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center">28</td> <td>New England Patriots <sup>(From New York Jets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Jets)Traded to Pats, along with 97 3rd and 4th Round, and 98 2nd Rounder for Bill Parcells.)</sup></td> <td>Andy Katzenmoyer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Katzenmoyer)</td> <td>Linebacker</td> <td>Ohio State</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center">29</td> <td>Minnesota Vikings</td> <td>Dimitrius Underwood (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimitrius_Underwood)</td> <td>Defensive End</td> <td>Michigan State (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_State_Spartans_football)</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center">30</td> <td>Atlanta Falcons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlanta_Falcons)</td> <td bgcolor="#ffcc00">Patrick Kerney (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Kerney)</td> <td>Defensive End</td> <td>Virginia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Virginia)</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center">31</td> <td>Denver Broncos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denver_Broncos)</td> <td bgcolor="#ffcc00">Al Wilson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Wilson)</td> <td>Linebacker</td> <td>Tennessee (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_Volunteers_football)</td></tr></tbody></table>

BroncoBuff
04-11-2009, 10:07 AM
Browns are the most snake-bitten franchise ever since they re-started. A ref's flag in the eye ends a Pro-Bowl tackle's career, staph infections all around, K2 on his mini-bike, they trade for local boy All-Pro center and he blows his knee out on Day 1 of camp, three 1st rounders sent off to Denver ... 1st rounds bustin all over ...

Makes trading our star Pro-Bowl quarterback seem like not such a big problem.

BroncoDoug
04-11-2009, 10:37 AM
Yup. The Saints shipping off their entire 1999 draft for Rasta Williams ranks right up there with the Vikings H. Walker trade.

I was trying to think the other day, what team did they trade all their picks too for Ricky?

Kaylore
04-11-2009, 10:44 AM
A lot of people point to the Ricky Williams trade (understandably). They really only had four picks in that draft, most of them later, and they gave up two in the next one.

To kind of put things back the other way, how about the Redskins not doing anything with those slew of picks they got from the Saints? Every pick they took bombed with the exception of an offensive lineman. That has to rank up there as well, and should serve as a cautionary tale for our own front office.

sisterhellfyre
04-11-2009, 12:47 PM
I'd also suggest the Dolphins signing David Boston to a $$$ contract. I think they got, what, part of one decent year out of Paranoid 'Roid? Then his body started breaking down cuz he'd gotten too big for his own bone structure, and that was it.

epicSocialism4tw
04-11-2009, 01:13 PM
Momentum? Are you kidding?

As for "full rebuilding mode," you have no idea if that's where we'll end up. We haven't played a single game. Miami wasn't considered a playoff team at the start of last season.

You're just hoping.

You dont think that establishing Kuper, Harris, and Clady in front of Cutler was a part of building momentum? You dont think that letting Cutler continue to build repoire with Marshall, Royal, and Scheffler would have led to greater efficiency given time?

As those players grew together, greatness could have been in the cards.

Now all of that is gone, and people like you would rather politik for some ridiculous "We Back McD" campaign than to sit and look at things with the slightest bit of objectivity.

What has McD done to deserve your ardent support? Well for starters he opened his career as a head coach with a running string of colossal mistakes. Given his start, dont you think you should be at least a little suspect? (Thats a rhetorical question...the obvious answer to anyone a brain is a simple "yes")

Inkana7
04-11-2009, 01:16 PM
I was trying to think the other day, what team did they trade all their picks too for Ricky?

Skins. They picked up LaVarr Arrington with the 1st rounder they got from it.

epicSocialism4tw
04-11-2009, 01:36 PM
[QUOTE]dude i am sorry, but i have to call you on this.

That's fine. I dont intend to control your thoughts...although that would be nice.

i was on the side of Jay

For me, its not about being on anyone's "side". Its about the decisions that make or break franchises.

but until a full season plays out, i can't even put this into a thought for worst decisions by a front office.

I agree with this. My point is that it is potentially the worst mistake in franchise history.

Why? Because 1) The BBT broke up a team that played for the conference championship specifically because they wanted to rebuild with Jay Cutler 2) Jay Cutler cost 2 first round picks to begin with 3) Cutler woud have continued to grow here into something more than he will in Chicago 4) You just dont trade franchise QB's. If Cutler continues his career on its current progression, he will have an excellent career and we'll always regret it. We netted a 3rd and Orton (minus our 5th) for Cutler. Is a 3rd round pick and Kyle Orton worth that regret? Do I even have to ask that question?

i mean who's to say Jay doesn't get to Chicago and fall flat on his face, and with the draft picks we got for him we draft 3 perenial pro bowlers and Orton has a career resurgance and becomes our franchise QB and we end up as contenders as soon as this season.

Your being awfully optimistic given 1) 1st round picks are a coin flip...literally a 50% bust rate 2) We have a new coaching staff with no draft track record 3) you expect Orton to come here and magically become greater while Cutler goes to Chicago and magically becomes terrible 4) You expect us to magically compete with an unproven, mistake prone head coach and the same scrubs on defense that managed to be the worst defense in franchise history

i know that right now that scenario is highly unlikely but we can't call this situation a failure a full 4 months before the season begins.

Right now, it is a dismal failure. The franchise was just dealt an upper cut and is staggering to the floor. The possibility is there that McD can salvage the Broncos and in turn salvage his career as a head coach. As it stands today, McD wont get another shot at this anytime soon if he continues on the same pathway that he has been on with Denver from the start. It has been a lesson in mismanagement.

also our defense was so bad that a change in schemes and players is the best and only thing we could have done.

Nah. It was neither the best or the only thing that the Broncos could have done.

Bly played decent for us at the end of last season but wasn't worth the money he was getting, he was getting up there in age and didn't fit the scheme we now are going to run

None of these are reasons to acquit McD. His decisions are why Bly is gone. He chose to change schemes despite having players that work well in other schemes.

Ekuban was good for us, but he is not a 3-4 DE and can't make the transition to 3-4 OLB at his age and diminishing skill level. he looked good for us on a garbage defense, but as of right now has yet to be signed to any other team in the league meaning he wasn't that great, just light years better than the other guys who played alongside him here in denver

I dont get any of this. Ekuban was very good here in both phases of the game. Your rationalization of why he wasnt any good doesnt make sense because he was good in spite of those things.

Jay didn't want to be here. he wanted out after Mike was fired. then after a slight trade miscommunication, he had his mind made up that he was done here.

getting a QB with game experience, great leadership ability, a better attitude than Jay had, and a better record as well, a 3rd rounder, and 2-1sts was a good move in a trade for a guy who had no desire to play here anymore.

Jay wanted to be a Bronco. Firstly, he wanted to work with Bates. When that didnt work out, he was in the process of doing what was required of him with the new staff.

Decisions were made to alienate Jay (aka "The Player" in McD-speak). Trades were attempted to replace him, and trades were discussed to move him in THE FIRST DAY. No matter which camp you are in (as you admitted above...that you are both aware of and trying to personify one camp or another), you have to know that McD mishandled every step in the process, and for a rook head coach he looks exceedingly stupid.

BroncoBuff
04-11-2009, 01:44 PM
Has anybody listed the Chargers firing of Marty?

That was dumb ... their window is closing.

BroncoMan4ever
04-11-2009, 06:43 PM
My point is that it is potentially the worst mistake in franchise history.

Why? Because 1) The BBT broke up a team that played for the conference championship specifically because they wanted to rebuild with Jay Cutler 2) Jay Cutler cost 2 first round picks to begin with 3) Cutler woud have continued to grow here into something more than he will in Chicago 4) You just dont trade franchise QB's. If Cutler continues his career on its current progression, he will have an excellent career and we'll always regret it. We netted a 3rd and Orton (minus our 5th) for Cutler. Is a 3rd round pick and Kyle Orton worth that regret? Do I even have to ask that question?.
I agree this may go down as the dumbest move in franchise and NFL history, but it is too soon to call it that. I agree with all you say about Cutler, but if he doesn't want to play here, we were smart to ship him out and get good compensation for him. i agree in the ling run more than likely the players we get from the picks we got, will never become worth trading a franchise QB. but if he doesn't want to play here, i say good riddance. and with Orton, in this system of McDaniels he fits well. he throws high percentage passes, doesn't take unnecessary risks, and is a really good leader with veteran experience and a winning record.


Your being awfully optimistic given 1) 1st round picks are a coin flip...literally a 50% bust rate 2) We have a new coaching staff with no draft track record 3) you expect Orton to come here and magically become greater while Cutler goes to Chicago and magically becomes terrible 4) You expect us to magically compete with an unproven, mistake prone head coach and the same scrubs on defense that managed to be the worst defense in franchise history

i never said i thought Orton would come here and become the next Peyton Manning and Jay would go to Chicago and become Jeff George. i simply said there is no way to know, that Orton couldn't have a career resurgance here and be a really good QB for us in a QB friendly system like McDaniels. there is also no way to know that Jay doesn't get to Chicago has a couple bad games and the fans turn on him and he fails.

also with the draft, yes it is likely none of the picks we git for Jay ever become much, but there is still a chance that they do, and unlike Jay, they will be happy to play here.


Right now, it is a dismal failure. The franchise was just dealt an upper cut and is staggering to the floor. The possibility is there that McD can salvage the Broncos and in turn salvage his career as a head coach. As it stands today, McD wont get another shot at this anytime soon if he continues on the same pathway that he has been on with Denver from the start. It has been a lesson in mismanagement.

you can't call it a failure 4 months before a meaningful snap is taken. for all we know, McDaniels has done an incredible job, and we are going to draft major team assets and turn this team around. after years of mediocrity, we got a coach who is shaking things up, making players accountable for their actions and taking charge of the team. he is instilling discipline in these young guys. had Mike been a little more like this with Jay, more than likely Cutler would still be here.



Nah. It was neither the best or the only thing that the Broncos could have done.

what else could have been done with our defense? outside of Champ, DJ, Woodyard, Thomas and Doom we had absolutely nothing. any new coach would have come in and put together there own defensive scheme and brought in players who fit the scheme and dumped those that didn't. we brought in a 3-4 coach and he is building the team how he wants.


None of these are reasons to acquit McD. His decisions are why Bly is gone. He chose to change schemes despite having players that work well in other schemes.
I dont get any of this. Ekuban was very good here in both phases of the game. Your rationalization of why he wasnt any good doesnt make sense because he was good in spite of those things.
what players did he inherit on the defensive side of the ball were so good that we should build a scheme around them? just because we had a couple guys in Ekuban and Bly that were decent for us, doesn't mean our new staff should have changed up their scheme to fit a couple guys so we can keep them on the roster.

and with Ekuban. yes he played good for us, but a lot of that comes from being the best out of a garbage heap of players. and if he were so great don't you think that by now a 4-3 team would have brought him in to their team to play, same with Bly. they were the best on a team of nothings.


Jay wanted to be a Bronco. Firstly, he wanted to work with Bates. When that didnt work out, he was in the process of doing what was required of him with the new staff.
Decisions were made to alienate Jay (aka "The Player" in McD-speak). Trades were attempted to replace him, and trades were discussed to move him in THE FIRST DAY. No matter which camp you are in (as you admitted above...that you are both aware of and trying to personify one camp or another), you have to know that McD mishandled every step in the process, and for a rook head coach he looks exceedingly stupid.

Jay asked for a trade 3 weeks before he was traded. our owner and HC both called him trying to fix this crap. after that much time of him ducking both of them, it was time to go because he didn't want to be here anymore. he requested a trade after Mike was let go. he has had a thought in his mind of playing elsewhere for over 3 months now.

and yes McDaniels looks stupid for the way he handled the situation, but Jay could have been a man come in and said "**** McDaniels, i am here to play for my teammates, and i am going to make him look like a fool for even giving a moments consideration to trading me" but instead he chose to act like a child and pout and b**** and moan to the press about his feelings instead of coming into work and realizing this is a business and **** happens .

Taco John
04-11-2009, 06:44 PM
Some good ones here. I'll put up the voting thread on Sunday night...

boltaneer
04-12-2009, 12:49 AM
Has anybody listed the Chargers firing of Marty?

That was dumb ... their window is closing.

That's grasping for straws.

I like Marty but his time had come and gone.

TheChamp24
04-12-2009, 12:54 AM
How about the Chargers trading up to land Ryan Leaf?

boltaneer
04-12-2009, 01:09 AM
How about the Chargers trading up to land Ryan Leaf?

Doesn't qualify. That was 98! How time flies! :flower:

Atwater His Ass
04-12-2009, 02:07 AM
Doesn't qualify. That was 98! How time flies! :flower:

Indeed.

I miss Ryan though. Provided a lot of laughs.

On the bright side all I have to do is think of Denver's current head coach to get the same kind of laughs!

UtesBroncoFan
04-12-2009, 09:45 AM
Yup. The Saints shipping off their entire 1999 draft for Rasta Williams ranks right up there with the Vikings H. Walker trade.

How about Washington doing absolutely nothing with all those picks from The Aints in the Ricky Williams deal.

Vegas_Bronco
04-12-2009, 10:07 AM
The front office ALLOWED a TD and Al Wilson injury. End of story.

TheChamp24
04-12-2009, 12:53 PM
How about Washington doing absolutely nothing with all those picks from The Aints in the Ricky Williams deal.

Well, the Redskins did use that 1st round pick to select a certain All Pro CB in Champ Bailey...

R8R H8R
04-12-2009, 01:24 PM
[QUOTE]dude i am sorry, but i have to call you on this. i was on the side of Jay,but until a full season plays out, i can't even put this into a thought for worst decisions by a front office.


I agree w/ you, but there are a few on this board that apparently already know the future.

i mean who's to say Jay doesn't get to Chicago and fall flat on his face, and with the draft picks we got for him we draft 3 perenial pro bowlers and Orton has a career resurgance and becomes our franchise QB and we end up as contenders as soon as this season.i know that right now that scenario is highly unlikely but we can't call this situation a failure a full 4 months before the season begins.

Yea, stranger things have happened. If I remember right, herchel walker was considered one of the better, if not best player on a bad cowboys team, and when he was traded, jimmey johnson took a boat full of picks and created a dynasty. On the other hand, the rams blew just about every pick they got for trading eric dickerson. We aren't going to know which scenario is ours for a minimum 2 years.



also our defense was so bad that a change in schemes and players is the best and only thing we could have done.

I say that if a new coach came in and didn't dismantle this defense, he doesn't deserve to be a coach on any level.

Jay didn't want to be here. he wanted out after Mike was fired. then after a slight trade miscommunication, he had his mind made up that he was done here.

getting a QB with game experience, great leadership ability, a better attitude than Jay had, and a better record as well, a 3rd rounder, and 2-1sts was a good move in a trade for a guy who had no desire to play here anymore.


That's the bottom line. Jay made it clear he wasn't going to play for Denver anymore, so he forced the Broncos hands. I don't see that they had any choice but to move him. Honestly, I thought they got a lot more for him than I thought possible.
Now they have to use those picks wisely. Time will tell.

NYBronco
04-12-2009, 01:36 PM
Any FRONT OFFICE that receives, listens and discusses player trade opportunities for the betterment of the team/organization. (drenching with sarcasm)