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prunch
04-10-2009, 12:45 PM
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looks like a big, fast men among boys

Rabb
04-10-2009, 12:53 PM
his speed is what sells me on him, big guy that fast....good Christ

the only thing I don't like is he over pursues like crazy in that video and ends up trying to arm tackle

Los Broncos
04-10-2009, 12:55 PM
He is just unblockable, wow that guy is fast.

Rabb
04-10-2009, 12:56 PM
He is just unblockable, wow that guy is fast.

I know right, it jumps out at me immediately how quick and fast he is for being so big

prunch
04-10-2009, 01:05 PM
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Tyson Jackson

Los Broncos
04-10-2009, 01:09 PM
Any chance we can draft both of those guys, wow.

gyldenlove
04-10-2009, 01:13 PM
Am the only one who ended up noticing Ron Brace more than Raji? Brace took a lot more double blocks except in the vandy game when he seemed to spend the whole time pushing an offensive line lineman into the backfield.

Right now, I would love me some Brace in the 2nd round at the NT, he looks like a manchild.

Beej
04-10-2009, 01:17 PM
I like Raji's spin move.

Not so sure about Jackson, though.

prunch
04-10-2009, 01:19 PM
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Ron Brace

cmhargrove
04-10-2009, 01:52 PM
I would take Raji at 12, but look at it for what it is folks. He's a huge DT for the collegiate level, and he is fighting single linemen on most plays. If you watch old videos of Marcus Thomas at Florida, he looked more "unblockable" than Raji (although technically different).

When Raji has to take on double teams in the NFL, he will have to learn quickly. He's not there yet.

I'll take Raji, but he's not even as good as Dorsey was in college (IMO). Dorsey has had a rough transition to the NFL, and will now be asked to make a switch to NT for the Chorfs. Raji's no "sure thing," but he has a lot of the measurables we are looking for. He would be a good #12 pick, but it wouldn't surprise me to see one of the DT's in rounds 3-5 do just as well in the NFL.

Polster60
04-10-2009, 01:57 PM
I'm sold on Raji! He uses his hands very well. Uses good technique; the swim move he puts on the RT against Vandy for the sack is impressive. He always plays on the offensive's side of the line of scrimmage. And most importantly he just knows how to play football; he's a true and true blue collar, mean football player. Watch him flow to the ball, he makes good plays in traffic. That is difficult for a DT. I'm impressed.
Anyone notice Holtzclaw in those films? I think he will be a player!! Does anyone know if he comes out next year?

Polster60
04-10-2009, 02:02 PM
"I'll take Raji, but he's not even as good as Dorsey was in college (IMO). Dorsey has had a rough transition to the NFL, and will now be asked to make a switch to NT for the Chorfs. Raji's no "sure thing," but he has a lot of the measurables we are looking for. He would be a good #12 pick, but it wouldn't surprise me to see one of the DT's in rounds 3-5 do just as well in the NFL."

I'll agree with you that I think Dorsey was a more impressive player. I still believe he will turn out to an all pro player. I worry that even with Raji's measureables that he would be a better fit in 4-3 d, instead of 3-4 NT. Do I think he could? Sure, but I think there will be a learning curve for him.

But i'm still pretty impressed overall.

Pony Boy
04-10-2009, 02:02 PM
Raji has a little Ricky Williams smell to me.

Anaximines
04-10-2009, 02:05 PM
Yes, he looks great, but I agree with this:

I would take Raji at 12, but look at it for what it is folks. He's a huge DT for the collegiate level, and he is fighting single linemen on most plays.

Also, how much do you guys think Raji and Ron Brace have helped each other out by being on the same team? I mean, two top DT prospects on the same line have to be inflating each other's performance a bit.

cmhargrove
04-10-2009, 02:05 PM
I would take Raji at 12, but look at it for what it is folks. He's a huge DT for the collegiate level, and he is fighting single linemen on most plays. If you watch old videos of Marcus Thomas at Florida, he looked more "unblockable" than Raji (although technically different).

When Raji has to take on double teams in the NFL, he will have to learn quickly. He's not there yet.

I'll take Raji, but he's not even as good as Dorsey was in college (IMO). Dorsey has had a rough transition to the NFL, and will now be asked to make a switch to NT for the Chorfs. Raji's no "sure thing," but he has a lot of the measurables we are looking for. He would be a good #12 pick, but it wouldn't surprise me to see one of the DT's in rounds 3-5 do just as well in the NFL.

Here's a college highlight video of none other than..... Marcus Thomas. Watch him beat the crap out of the SEC. Great highlight reels don't necessarily equal NFL success.

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cmhargrove
04-10-2009, 02:08 PM
While we're at it, here's Jarvis Moss. For those that doubt he has the tools to be an OLB, here is how fast he played in college:

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DrFate
04-10-2009, 02:11 PM
Raji has a little Ricky Williams smell to me.

Where's Jimmy in the Raji video?

:)

Garcia Bronco
04-10-2009, 02:44 PM
Not against the Hokies. In big games he disappears.

BroncoBuff
04-10-2009, 03:08 PM
Anybody have any input about how/why the two best NTs in thgis draft are from the same college? That seems pretty odd ... and makes me a tad skeptical about both ...

That said, he looks majr-quick for his size. But like Hargrove said, MY looked just as quick then. Although I am higher on Thomas that you hargrove.

BroncoBuff
04-10-2009, 03:13 PM
Here's a college highlight video of none other than..... Marcus Thomas. Watch him beat the crap out of the SEC. Great highlight reels don't necessarily equal NFL success.

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MT is so fast ... I cannot believe they're not listiung him at DE in the 3-4. At :37 in, he comes off the edge with blazing quicknsss ... at 1:08 he looks linebacker-fast.


Anybody recognize that quarteback at :56 into this? hmmm...

cmhargrove
04-10-2009, 03:18 PM
Anybody have any input about how/why the two best NTs in thgis draft are from the same college? That seems pretty odd ... and makes me a tad skeptical about both ...

That said, he looks majr-quick for his size. But like Hargrove said, MY looked just as quick then. Although I am higher on Thomas that you hargrove.

No, Broncobuff, don't get me wrong - I like Marcus Thomas. And, if anyone can get him to a pro bowl level, it is probably Wayne Nunnely. He has been taking his lumps and learning in the big man's league. This year should tell us a lot about Marcus. I hope he becomes a force this year, because he has the potential to do so.

It's just all talk until he does it.

BroncoBuff
04-10-2009, 03:24 PM
No, Broncobuff, don't get me wrong - I like Marcus Thomas. And, if anyone can get him to a pro bowl level, it is probably Wayne Nunnely. He has been taking his lumps and learning in the big man's league. This year should tell us a lot about Marcus. I hope he becomes a force this year, because he has the potential to do so.

It's just all talk until he does it.

Do you see him as a NT though? They're listing Thomas as NT on the pre-camp depth chart released last week.

Not only is his 305 too light for NT ... just look at his skills. At 1:08 - 1:12 in that video, that is some serious speed for a DT. It seems to me the combination of that size and that quickness/penetration skill is well-suited to 3-4 DE ... what do you think? Drek? SoCal?

Ratboy
04-10-2009, 03:33 PM
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Ratboy
04-10-2009, 03:43 PM
It has me thinking.

Where does Marcus Thomas fit in this new defense? He was one of our better defensive linemen, although that is not saying much. Is he big and strong enough for the middle? or will he be pushed towards the end?

lostknight
04-10-2009, 04:02 PM
His tangible benefits are great. He looks like he can get away with pure raw talent for a bit while he learns the finer points of technique.

I like the intangibles as well. I really like the ease he walks onto the field with. He gives off serious confidence and a great leader personality for a team that desperately needs it.

cmhargrove
04-10-2009, 04:34 PM
Do you see him as a NT though? They're listing Thomas as NT on the pre-camp depth chart released last week.

Not only is his 305 too light for NT ... just look at his skills. At 1:08 - 1:12 in that video, that is some serious speed for a DT. It seems to me the combination of that size and that quickness/penetration skill is well-suited to 3-4 DE ... what do you think? Drek? SoCal?

Being a proper NT is about being stout at the point of attack. Pushing one interior O-lineman so hard that he needs help, requiring a double team. Or, if they double team you right off, you have to hold your ground. Marcus got some experience at this last year (some under the Bates system, and some under Slowik's 3-4). He wasn't great at it, but he made it work. Depending on his diet and training regimen, Marcus could play anywhere from 290-320. So, maybe we see him at minicamp to see if he is light or heavy. That may show us if they want him inside or outside.

misturanderson
04-10-2009, 04:45 PM
To be perfectly honest I don't think we should be judging anybody on the defense (especially draft picks from the last 2-3 years) too harshly considering the complete morons that were in charge of developing them.

cmhargrove
04-10-2009, 04:47 PM
Do you see him as a NT though? They're listing Thomas as NT on the pre-camp depth chart released last week.

Not only is his 305 too light for NT ... just look at his skills. At 1:08 - 1:12 in that video, that is some serious speed for a DT. It seems to me the combination of that size and that quickness/penetration skill is well-suited to 3-4 DE ... what do you think? Drek? SoCal?

Also, Ron Fields is listed at 315. That means Marcus Thomas can eat two more cheeseburgers per day and be 315 by training camp. He could easily get to 320 if they wanted him to.

broncos-rock
04-10-2009, 05:13 PM
Could we have a mod change the title of this thread? The term "boy" is not well received in the African American community.

outdoor_miner
04-10-2009, 05:51 PM
Do you see him as a NT though? They're listing Thomas as NT on the pre-camp depth chart released last week.

Not only is his 305 too light for NT ... just look at his skills. At 1:08 - 1:12 in that video, that is some serious speed for a DT. It seems to me the combination of that size and that quickness/penetration skill is well-suited to 3-4 DE ... what do you think? Drek? SoCal?

Did the Broncos release a pre-camp depth chart? The only thing I saw was from Yahoo, and I thought it was something that some dumbass reporter put together based upon his opinion of the depth chart...

Greybeard
04-10-2009, 06:16 PM
Here's a college highlight video of none other than..... Marcus Thomas. Watch him beat the crap out of the SEC. Great highlight reels don't necessarily equal NFL success.

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So are you implying Thomas isn't successful?

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BroncoBuff
04-10-2009, 07:23 PM
Did the Broncos release a pre-camp depth chart? The only thing I saw was from Yahoo, and I thought it was something that some dumbass reporter put together based upon his opinion of the depth chart...

OMG!! I just looked on the Broncos site, and there's no depth chart .... That was a Yahoo! chart?! :nono:

Good heavens, I've been scratching my head the last three days over that stupid chart ... :oyvey:

Thx miner. No WONDER they had Andra Davis at OLB ... you can bet the mortgage he'll be ILB.

And I can't see MT bulking up to 320 as easily as you guys do ... what I see in that video is remarkable quickness and very good speed. My money is on Marcus Thomas starting at 3-4 DE for many years to come. Carlton Powell is the run-stuffer who holds his ground - best in college football two years ago. HE might be a good bet to bulk up to 320.

~Crash~
04-10-2009, 09:08 PM
OMG!! I just looked on the Broncos site, and there's no depth chart .... That was a Yahoo! chart?! :nono:

Good heavens, I've been scratching my head the last three days over that stupid chart ... :oyvey:

Thx miner. No WONDER they had Andra Davis at OLB ... you can bet the mortgage he'll be ILB.

And I can't see MT bulking up to 320 as easily as you guys do ... what I see in that video is remarkable quickness and very good speed. My money is on Marcus Thomas starting at 3-4 DE for many years to come. Carlton Powell is the run-stuffer who holds his ground - best in college football two years ago. HE might be a good bet to bulk up to 320.

I agree I hope powell is asking 3rds on potaotes each night

TheChamp24
04-10-2009, 09:41 PM
Raji looked good, but that was single blocked by OG when he beat them. And he over pursued like crazy. Still, if he's there at 12, take him. Trade up? No thanks.
And Jackson looked like a joke in that highlite to me. Thats a supposed top 15 pick guy? He looked rather mediocre out there to me.

Popps
04-10-2009, 11:21 PM
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Tyson Jackson

Wow. These guys all look pretty solid! Jackson looks like an NFL player, already. Size-speed-wise, he looks like he could step in and play immediately.

Popps
04-10-2009, 11:31 PM
So are you implying Thomas isn't successful?

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I just can't imagine any reason we wouldn't give him a shot at DE this year. He's clearly got the speed/agility, etc. (Remember his training camp backflips?)

I honestly think he and Dumervil could be major beneficiaries of this new defense.

I'm just chomping at the bit to see these two, and Powell in camp/PS this year.

TheDave
04-11-2009, 12:13 AM
Am the only one who ended up noticing Ron Brace more than Raji? Brace took a lot more double blocks except in the vandy game when he seemed to spend the whole time pushing an offensive line lineman into the backfield.

Right now, I would love me some Brace in the 2nd round at the NT, he looks like a manchild.

Thank you... I was noticing the same thing. Nearly everyone of those highlight had Brace getting double teamed while Raji was left 1 on 1

Popps
04-11-2009, 02:16 AM
Anyone have a solid idea on where Brace is projected? 2nd round somewhere, right?

ZONA
04-11-2009, 03:14 AM
Marcus clearly has his best chance at success in the NFL as an End in a 3-4 Defense. He's got the size already and more then enough quickness to rush. He's not gonna do anygood as a NT in a 3-4.

Raji looks fast and powerfull as does Brance but the more I think about it, the more I see 2 guys that are used to playing upfield and causing trouble. I'm afraid if either are plugged into an NFL 3-4 as the NT, they won't like it much. Basically just taking on the double team every play and holding your ground. Not much love, not much excitement. I feel it might be better to just find a big strong athlete in 3rd round or so who is a little raw or played at a smaller school and will fight his ass off once he gets to the NFL. A guy who won't mind not getting attention, sacks, etc. Just a guy who can take up lots of space and not get moved off the line.

For sure I would take Jackson with our first pick and I've said for quite a long time, I would love Davis with our 2nd first round pick if he is there.

elsid13
04-11-2009, 05:42 AM
I starting to like Scott out of Clemson more and more as the guy we need to target at NT. I think Raji is UT in the NFL and Brace, while nice, should also be playing interior of 4/3.

BroncoBuff
04-11-2009, 12:22 PM
Anyone have a solid idea on where Brace is projected? 2nd round somewhere, right?

NFLDraftCountdown.com says he's "Round 2 or 3" ...

They say he's the 4th best DT overall, but he's the 2nd best NT behnd Raji, and you gotta go way down to #9 for the next NT, and he's from Hampton. Then #17 and 18 for the next NTs (based on size).

That, the importance of NT, and our lack of such, means I am on board with Brace at #48. I agree with elside, too, on Dorrell Scott from Clemson ... but he's much later, maybe 5th round.

cmhargrove
04-11-2009, 03:42 PM
So are you implying Thomas isn't successful?

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Once again. I love Marcus Thomas and feel he can be a very special player - if coached and used properly. In a way, he has been kind of like DJ. They have asked him to be someting "different" each year and that kind of sucks for his development. As fans, we are only guessing whether the team is going true 3-4 or hybrid 4-3, the coaches should reveal this soon enough with their draft picks.

I really like Marcus, that's why I posted the video, but in the immortal words of Mike Shanahan - "You are what your record says you are." Up to this point, Marcus has been on a pretty crappy D-line. Hopefully, that looks totally different this year.

For the record, I think he would be an incredible 3-4 DE. I would slim him to 290 and have him running windsprints every practice. I think if they did that, he could be a pro-bowl caliber player. But, that's the opposite of how the team has been guiding him over the past year and a half. They have asked him to get heavier and plug the middle.

We'll see next weekend?

fdf
04-11-2009, 04:42 PM
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looks like a big, fast men among boys

But how do you draft someone who blew positive for steroids? You have no idea if his performance will continue at that level when he has to quit using in the NFL.

BroncoBuff
04-11-2009, 05:12 PM
But how do you draft someone who blew positive for steroids? You have no idea if his performance will continue at that level when he has to quit using in the NFL.

I don't think that happened .... there was a rumor - proven false later - that he tested positive for marijuana at the Combine.

elsid13
04-11-2009, 06:04 PM
I don't think that happened .... there was a rumor - proven false later - that he tested positive for marijuana at the Combine.

Which he and the NFL have came out and denied. I put that down to internet BS vs. truth.

fdf
04-11-2009, 06:48 PM
I don't think that happened .... there was a rumor - proven false later - that he tested positive for marijuana at the Combine.

Glad to hear that. You don't want a Merriman situation, where play quality falls off dramatically when the 'roids stop.