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Donk
04-08-2009, 12:20 PM
Troy Aikman on the Cutler trade...

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AvV9dMgPWYCwegyBUH0DsRdDubYF?slug=ap-aikman-tocutler&prov=ap&type=lgns

Yet he’s still baffled by the falling out between Jay Cutler and new Broncos coach Josh McDaniels, a rift that resulted in the young Pro Bowl quarterback being traded to Chicago.


“I just don’t get how it got to that point in such a short period of time,” Aikman said. “It seems to me that McDaniels had that in mind before he even got that job. That’s what was bizarre to me.”


Aikman wonders whether Broncos owner Pat Bowlen would’ve hired McDaniels had he known the coach wasn’t committed to building around Cutler.


“Maybe (Bowlen) did know it, I don’t know. But it was pretty obvious, based on the timing, that Josh McDaniels knew that he wasn’t real high on Cutler, if he’s trying to make a trade for Matt Cassel within his first few weeks on the job,” Aikman said. “Could Jay have handled it a little better? Yeah, I think maybe he could have. But I certainly don’t begrudge him for being as upset as he was.”

Bronx33
04-08-2009, 12:21 PM
Aikman gets baffled at crosswalks and gumball machines.

ND Bronco Fan
04-08-2009, 12:39 PM
This coming from a guy who has had so many concussions his brain is mush.

bronco0608
04-08-2009, 12:41 PM
Aikman gets baffled at crosswalks and gumball machines.


/end thread

broncofan7
04-08-2009, 12:42 PM
Aikman is right on. Bow to his greatness

Hotrod
04-08-2009, 12:43 PM
The thread title is pretty spot on.

epicSocialism4tw
04-08-2009, 12:58 PM
Aikman's response is more lucid and realistic than just about every take I have read on orangemane.

oubronco
04-08-2009, 01:02 PM
Aikman is right on with this and exactly why "I Hate Mcdaniels"

colonelbeef
04-08-2009, 01:07 PM
Troy Aikman on the Cutler trade...

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AvV9dMgPWYCwegyBUH0DsRdDubYF?slug=ap-aikman-tocutler&prov=ap&type=lgns

Yet he’s still baffled by the falling out between Jay Cutler and new Broncos coach Josh McDaniels, a rift that resulted in the young Pro Bowl quarterback being traded to Chicago.


“I just don’t get how it got to that point in such a short period of time,” Aikman said. “It seems to me that McDaniels had that in mind before he even got that job. That’s what was bizarre to me.”


Aikman wonders whether Broncos owner Pat Bowlen would’ve hired McDaniels had he known the coach wasn’t committed to building around Cutler.


“Maybe (Bowlen) did know it, I don’t know. But it was pretty obvious, based on the timing, that Josh McDaniels knew that he wasn’t real high on Cutler, if he’s trying to make a trade for Matt Cassel within his first few weeks on the job,” Aikman said. “Could Jay have handled it a little better? Yeah, I think maybe he could have. But I certainly don’t begrudge him for being as upset as he was.”

Troy Aikman with a sensible, logical take on the situation. Good post, and difficult to argue with, although I'm sure the McPantywaist crew will find ways

oubronco
04-08-2009, 01:09 PM
Troy Aikman with a sensible, logical take on the situation. Good post, and difficult to argue with, although I'm sure the McPantywaist crew will find ways

and yes they will :thumbsup:

loborugger
04-08-2009, 01:57 PM
Aikman's response is more lucid and realistic than just about every take I have read on orangemane.

Dont drag the rest of us down into your Aikman like mire, Llama.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
04-08-2009, 02:10 PM
Figures.

Why is every sports outlet so desperate to get Aikman's opinion? Talk about a guy who knows nothing about this franchise and its players...

http://www.privatelabelsourcing.com/company/docs/jcpotter/troy_lg.jpg
Guess he just couldn't resist whipping out his sausage.

BroncoInferno
04-08-2009, 02:13 PM
Troy Aikman with a sensible, logical take on the situation. Good post, and difficult to argue with, although I'm sure the McPantywaist crew will find ways

No, it is not sensible and logical, because Aikman makes the assumption that McDaniels TRIED to trade Cutler, rather than just being approached by offers and listening. Yeah, yeah...I know McDaniels lied about that, never mind the utter lack of evidence and the fact that Belichek has pretty much confirmed McDs version (yeah, he lied about it too---never mind the fact that he has nothing to gain by doing so).

crazyhorse
04-08-2009, 02:16 PM
Troy Aikman on the Cutler trade...

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AvV9dMgPWYCwegyBUH0DsRdDubYF?slug=ap-aikman-tocutler&prov=ap&type=lgns

Yet he’s still baffled by the falling out between Jay Cutler and new Broncos coach Josh McDaniels, a rift that resulted in the young Pro Bowl quarterback being traded to Chicago.


“I just don’t get how it got to that point in such a short period of time,” Aikman said. “It seems to me that McDaniels had that in mind before he even got that job. That’s what was bizarre to me.”


Aikman wonders whether Broncos owner Pat Bowlen would’ve hired McDaniels had he known the coach wasn’t committed to building around Cutler.


“Maybe (Bowlen) did know it, I don’t know. But it was pretty obvious, based on the timing, that Josh McDaniels knew that he wasn’t real high on Cutler, if he’s trying to make a trade for Matt Cassel within his first few weeks on the job,” Aikman said. “Could Jay have handled it a little better? Yeah, I think maybe he could have. But I certainly don’t begrudge him for being as upset as he was.”

An opinion based from knowing nothing about the situation. typical.

BroncoInferno
04-08-2009, 02:17 PM
Aikman's response is more lucid and realistic than just about every take I have read on orangemane.

Yeah, real "lucid and realistic", especially given that he admits he knows little about the situation.

Man-Goblin
04-08-2009, 02:22 PM
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_1OMiSrEJXnY/SQn8kgrVz9I/AAAAAAAAMXI/ZIbiptQjNmA/s400/Troy.jpg

Pony Boy
04-08-2009, 02:33 PM
He didn't say anything earth shaking, that hasn't been posted on here before?

NYBronco
04-08-2009, 02:58 PM
No mention that Cutler asked for a trade before McDaniels came on board.

Bronx33
04-08-2009, 03:01 PM
Aikman's response is more lucid and realistic than just about every take I have read on orangemane.


Except yours right :~ohyah!:

Taco John
04-08-2009, 03:01 PM
No mention that Cutler asked for a trade before McDaniels came on board.


This is false.

Bronx33
04-08-2009, 03:02 PM
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_1OMiSrEJXnY/SQn8kgrVz9I/AAAAAAAAMXI/ZIbiptQjNmA/s400/Troy.jpg
Troy pictured dabbing up a little brain fluid that sometimes leaks from his eyes.

BroncoInferno
04-08-2009, 03:04 PM
This is false.

Yeah. IF King is right that Jay demanded a trade prior to the trade fiasco (I'm not convinced he is, but King seems adamant about it), the timeline was that it happened after Bates was sent packing. That didn't happen until McDaniels was on board.

Bronx33
04-08-2009, 03:14 PM
I just can't take aikman serious ( maybe thats just me) but the guy is a dough head.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
04-08-2009, 03:15 PM
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_1OMiSrEJXnY/SQn8kgrVz9I/AAAAAAAAMXI/ZIbiptQjNmA/s400/Troy.jpg

And you know what the worst part is?

I NEVer LEARNed to READ!

Rock Chalk
04-08-2009, 03:17 PM
Troy Aikman with a sensible, logical take on the situation. Good post, and difficult to argue with, although I'm sure the McPantywaist crew will find ways

Except that is completely wrong.

McDaniels met with Cutler almost as soon as getting the job and that first meeting was exciting for both of them. McDaniels and Cutler were both excited to see what the offense could become with cutler.

McDaniels didnt come in thinking to get rid of Cutler, at all. Thats a retarded assertion from a retarded concussed former QB.

you people just dont get it. McDaniels listened to offers, one was a three way trade for Jay cutler. McDaniels may or may not have pursued that offer but he is OBLIGATED to at least listen to it. Cutler felt slighted because in his stupid ass ****ing mind he thinks he is a great QB (he is not great but he thinks he is and he is aided by the slack jawed yokels in Denver who think he is too) and is untradable.

Cutler is a ****ing choker and Im glad he is gone.

Get over it you piece of **** loser.

Bronx33
04-08-2009, 03:18 PM
Troy Aikman with a sensible, logical take on the situation. Good post, and difficult to argue with, although I'm sure the McPantywaist crew will find ways


Dude did you even read it?

Taco John
04-08-2009, 03:27 PM
Yeah. IF King is right that Jay demanded a trade prior to the trade fiasco (I'm not convinced he is, but King seems adamant about it), the timeline was that it happened after Bates was sent packing. That didn't happen until McDaniels was on board.

As far as I've read, King hasn't been adamant about it. He merely passed it along at the end of one of his articles as a rumor he heard - not an actual confirmed report.

BroncoInferno
04-08-2009, 03:35 PM
As far as I've read, King hasn't been adamant about it. He merely passed it along at the end of one of his articles as a rumor he heard - not an actual confirmed report.

I laughed when I read Cutler's quotes to Jay Glazer Wednesday night, the ones about him not wanting to be traded. Kid, either you or your agent asked to be traded after Mike Shanahan and offensive coordinator Jeremy Bates left the organization, and your agent asked for a trade again on March 14. Come on. You can only cry wolf so many times before you finally get called on it.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/peter_king/04/02/cutler.reaction.ap/index.html?eref=T1

Sounds pretty adamant to me.

colonelbeef
04-08-2009, 04:00 PM
Dude did you even read it?

Sure did, and just because he takes the logical approach (i.e. it's obvious that McDaniels had a hardon for Cassel the minute he got here and Cutler was mad for good reason) and that this logical approach refutes your personal beliefs, doesn't not make him wrong.

Taco John
04-08-2009, 04:04 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/peter_king/04/02/cutler.reaction.ap/index.html?eref=T1

Sounds pretty adamant to me.

Indeed, it does. Though it's not even clear in that sentence that King is sure that he knows what he's talking about. He seems pretty light on facts on this particular point.

Bronx33
04-08-2009, 04:07 PM
Sure did, and just because he takes the logical approach (i.e. it's obvious that McDaniels had a hardon for Cassel the minute he got here and Cutler was mad for good reason) and that this logical approach refutes your personal beliefs, doesn't not make him wrong.


And even with crazyhorse bolding the important parts ( in aikmans own words) your still standing tough? :spit:

footstepsfrom#27
04-08-2009, 04:12 PM
Aikman's response is more lucid and realistic than just about every take I have read on orangemane.
Rep

Northman
04-08-2009, 04:24 PM
No, it is not sensible and logical, because Aikman makes the assumption that McDaniels TRIED to trade Cutler, rather than just being approached by offers and listening. Yeah, yeah...I know McDaniels lied about that, never mind the utter lack of evidence and the fact that Belichek has pretty much confirmed McDs version (yeah, he lied about it too---never mind the fact that he has nothing to gain by doing so).

Why should facts get in the way? Ha!

BroncoInferno
04-08-2009, 04:35 PM
Indeed, it does. Though it's not even clear in that sentence that King is sure that he knows what he's talking about. He seems pretty light on facts on this particular point.

He's referring to Cutler's statement to Jay Glazer that he didn't want to be traded, even though he or his agent asked for a trade twice (that's King's belief based on what his source told him--we know for sure that he at least asked for a trade following the face-to-face). I don't necessarily buy it either, but King obviously believes his source on the matter knows what he's/she's talking about.

BroncoInferno
04-08-2009, 04:37 PM
Sure did, and just because he takes the logical approach (i.e. it's obvious that McDaniels had a hardon for Cassel the minute he got here and Cutler was mad for good reason) and that this logical approach refutes your personal beliefs, doesn't not make him wrong.

How is his opinion "logical" when he makes it clear that he doesn't know all the facts? It's only "logical" because you agree with it.

orangemonkey
04-08-2009, 05:41 PM
OMG people. Jay was in D-town for two weeks studying McD's brilliant offensive strategy and the (only) comments on record at that time from Jay were positive - how he was excited to play for McD. McD is a liar, he looked guilty both times he took the stage - deer in head lights. Patriot liar. Strike one on his ***.

Atwater His Ass
04-08-2009, 05:50 PM
How is his opinion "logical" when he makes it clear that he doesn't know all the facts? It's only "logical" because you agree with it.

Same reason you disagree with it; it doesn't support your opinon.

BroncoBuff
04-08-2009, 05:53 PM
Except that is completely wrong.

Get over it you piece of **** loser.

It was a decent take ... just because you're intolerant, obstinate and hostile doesn't mean you're right.

Aikman's opinion - with the exception of Josh wanting him gone from the start - is a pretty consensus view among NFL commentators.

BroncoBuff
04-08-2009, 05:57 PM
How is his opinion "logical" when he makes it clear that he doesn't know all the facts? It's only "logical" because you agree with it.

Nobody knows all the facts, Inferno ... come on!

It is an ENTIRELY LOGICAL inference that, if a new coach negotiates/discusses trading his new team's star QB in his first few weeks on the job, that he might not have wanted him in the first place. That's a logical inference for an objective observer. It's speculative, but thena again ALL of this is speculative.

BroncoInferno
04-08-2009, 06:02 PM
Nobody knows all the facts, Inferno ... come on!

It is an ENTIRELY LOGICAL inference that, if a new coach negotiates/discusses trading his new team's star QB in his first few weeks on the job, that he might not have wanted him in the first place. That's a logical inference for an objective observer. It's speculative, but thena again ALL of this is speculative.

We know this: the front office has had a consistent position throughout. The only concrete evidence we have from either side is Belichek's corroboration that KC was the only who made him an offer. He may have lied, but what did he have to gain? I think the most logical inference is that the front office is telling the truth.

Rohirrim
04-08-2009, 06:05 PM
When it comes to the Broncos, the last person on Earth I'm going to listen to is a ****ing Cowpoker.

RhymesayersDU
04-08-2009, 06:12 PM
An opinion based from knowing nothing about the situation. typical.

Way to describe every message board on the internet, ever.

epicSocialism4tw
04-08-2009, 06:22 PM
Except that is completely wrong.

McDaniels met with Cutler almost as soon as getting the job and that first meeting was exciting for both of them. McDaniels and Cutler were both excited to see what the offense could become with cutler.

McDaniels didnt come in thinking to get rid of Cutler, at all. Thats a retarded assertion from a retarded concussed former QB.

you people just dont get it. McDaniels listened to offers, one was a three way trade for Jay cutler. McDaniels may or may not have pursued that offer but he is OBLIGATED to at least listen to it. Cutler felt slighted because in his stupid ass ****ing mind he thinks he is a great QB (he is not great but he thinks he is and he is aided by the slack jawed yokels in Denver who think he is too) and is untradable.

Cutler is a ****ing choker and Im glad he is gone.

Get over it you piece of **** loser.

McD was working on a trade for Cassell. That much we know. When Jay found out, the situation deteriorated quickly.

It doesnt take a genius to figure out that McD may not have had the best opinion of Jay if he goes about trying to trade him in his first couple of weeks there.

Quit drinking the McD kool-aid. The guy is a freakin' 32-year old first year coach who may have just set the franchise back 10 years.

Aikman is smart enough to see that. I'm not sure why Broncos fans ally in these ridiculous camps, but McD is under some serious pressure to make right the seemingly endless string of mistakes that he has made one after the next in this first 6 weeks as an NFL head coach.

SportinOne
04-08-2009, 06:30 PM
Troy Aikman on the Cutler trade...

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AvV9dMgPWYCwegyBUH0DsRdDubYF?slug=ap-aikman-tocutler&prov=ap&type=lgns

Yet he’s still baffled by the falling out between Jay Cutler and new Broncos coach Josh McDaniels, a rift that resulted in the young Pro Bowl quarterback being traded to Chicago.


“I just don’t get how it got to that point in such a short period of time,” Aikman said. “It seems to me that McDaniels had that in mind before he even got that job. That’s what was bizarre to me.”


Aikman wonders whether Broncos owner Pat Bowlen would’ve hired McDaniels had he known the coach wasn’t committed to building around Cutler.


“Maybe (Bowlen) did know it, I don’t know. But it was pretty obvious, based on the timing, that Josh McDaniels knew that he wasn’t real high on Cutler, if he’s trying to make a trade for Matt Cassel within his first few weeks on the job,” Aikman said. “Could Jay have handled it a little better? Yeah, I think maybe he could have. But I certainly don’t begrudge him for being as upset as he was.”

Good luck, Troy. We've been saying the same thing for weeks.

BroncoInferno
04-08-2009, 06:34 PM
McD was working on a trade for Cassell. That much we know. When Jay found out, the situation deteriorated quickly.

No, we do not know that he was "working on a trade for Cassel." All we know for sure is that he was approached with a proposal, and before it could be discussed the KC deal went down. This has been the front office position from the start and has yet to be contradicted by anything other than "anonymous sources." On the other hand, Belichek corroborated that KCs offer was the only one he ever got and he had no expectation of getting a better offer.

It doesnt take a genius to figure out that McD may not have had the best opinion of Jay if he goes about trying to trade him in his first couple of weeks there.

If he "tried" to trade him. But he says he was only listening to offers, and there is nothing of substance to contradict that.

Quit drinking the McD kool-aid. The guy is a freakin' 32-year old first year coach who may have just set the franchise back 10 years.

Quit drinking the Cutler kool-aid. He is a 25 year old who behaves likes a 12 year old and may have sabotaged the team with his poor attitude.

Aikman is smart enough to see that.

Aikman admits he doesn't know much about the situation. His opinion is worthless.

I'm not sure why Broncos fans ally in these ridiculous camps, but McD is under some serious pressure to make right the seemingly endless string of mistakes that he has made one after the next in this first 6 weeks as an NFL head coach.

Even if you think the Cutler move was bad, what other mistakes has he made? The general consensus is that he hired an excellent coaching staff and made solid FA moves (this is coming from non-Bronco biased sources, not just the opinion of Bronco fans).

Rohirrim
04-08-2009, 06:44 PM
I guess there are four people on Earth who actually know what happened: Cutler, Cook, Bowlen and McD. Everybody else is speculating. Including Aikman.

epicSocialism4tw
04-08-2009, 07:01 PM
I guess there are four people on Earth who actually know what happened: Cutler, Cook, Bowlen and McD. Everybody else is speculating. Including Aikman.

We do know one thing, and thats that McD and Bowlen handled this thing as wrecklessly as has ever been done by an NFL front office.

Rohirrim
04-08-2009, 07:18 PM
We do know one thing, and thats that McD and Bowlen handled this thing as wrecklessly as has ever been done by an NFL front office.

We'd have to know what they were reacting to in order to judge. I wonder if the whole picture will ever come out? This whole mess enters football lore as a mystery.

FADERPROOF
04-08-2009, 07:21 PM
Since a lot of people want an asterisk around the Rockets winning 2 NBA championships while Michael Jordan was "retired", shouldn't there be some sort of asterisk(or at least a note) about Jay Cutler being a "Pro Bowl QB" in a year that Tom Brady was injured in week 1?

epicSocialism4tw
04-08-2009, 07:29 PM
Since a lot of people want an asterisk around the Rockets winning 2 NBA championships while Michael Jordan was "retired", shouldn't there be some sort of asterisk(or at least a note) about Jay Cutler being a "Pro Bowl QB" in a year that Tom Brady was injured in week 1?

I think that Jay Cutler will probably have plenty of other accolades to hang his hat on.

Its best to let it go, dude.

oubronco
04-08-2009, 07:30 PM
McD was working on a trade for Cassell. That much we know. When Jay found out, the situation deteriorated quickly.

It doesnt take a genius to figure out that McD may not have had the best opinion of Jay if he goes about trying to trade him in his first couple of weeks there.

Quit drinking the McD kool-aid. The guy is a freakin' 32-year old first year coach who may have just set the franchise back 10 years.

Aikman is smart enough to see that. I'm not sure why Broncos fans ally in these ridiculous camps, but McD is under some serious pressure to make right the seemingly endless string of mistakes that he has made one after the next in this first 6 weeks as an NFL head coach.

:notworthy

FADERPROOF
04-08-2009, 07:32 PM
I think that Jay Cutler will probably have plenty of other accolades to hang his hat on.

Its best to let it go, dude.

Yes he will...just not with us.

Its best to let it go, dude.

epicSocialism4tw
04-08-2009, 07:35 PM
Yes he will...just not with us.

Exactly.

Why spend your time nitpicking Cutler when he's no longer here?

We have what we have.

Circle Orange
04-08-2009, 07:44 PM
This coming from a guy who has had so many concussions his brain is mush.

Jason Garrett is his bestest, sweetest friend in all the world. They don't talk about it in Texas anymore, but ask Skip Bayless...he'll fill you in on all the spicy details.

epicSocialism4tw
04-08-2009, 07:51 PM
Jason Garrett is his bestest, sweetest friend in all the world. They don't talk about it in Texas anymore, but ask Skip Bayless...he'll fill you in on all the spicy details.

Skip "80's meth mullet" Bayless is an idiot, and was laughed out of Dallas because of that book.

I think that its more wishful thinking on his part than anything else.

FADERPROOF
04-08-2009, 07:59 PM
Exactly.

Why spend your time nitpicking Cutler when he's no longer here?

We have what we have.

Merely just a point to note, seems like you're going out of your way to defend someone that isn't even here though.

Circle Orange
04-08-2009, 08:04 PM
Skip "80's meth mullet" Bayless is an idiot, and was laughed out of Dallas because of that book.

I think that its more wishful thinking on his part than anything else.

Make no mistake, Bayless is obnoxious and ignorant. However, I just despise all things Dallas...facts don't matter here in "Skinland." We'll take any rumor against the 'Pokes, real or fake.

Merlin
04-08-2009, 08:05 PM
He may have lied, but what did he have to gain? I think the most logical inference is that the front office is telling the truth.
Actually, he acknowledge to King that he contacted the Patriots on the VERY FIRST DAY of free agency regarding Cassel, which of course in inconsistent with all the claims he made before.

Merlin
04-08-2009, 08:08 PM
He may have lied, but what did he have to gain? I think the most logical inference is that the front office is telling the truth.
Actually, he later acknowledge to King that he contacted the Patriots on the VERY FIRST DAY of free agency regarding Cassel, which of course in inconsistent with all the claims he made at the time.

BroncoInferno
04-08-2009, 08:16 PM
Actually, he acknowledge to King that he contacted the Patriots on the VERY FIRST DAY of free agency regarding Cassel, which of course in inconsistent with all the claims he made before.

No, he never said he contacted the Patriots. I just checked that article. Here it is: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...ion/index.html

You are probably referring to this:

McDaniels did pursue a deal with New England on the first day of free agency, but not intensely, he said, because he and Broncos general manager Brian Xanders were in the middle of doing six free-agent negotiations in the opening two days of free-agency. "I think we were too late to the dance,'' he said, meaning the Chiefs had already made the deal with New England -- a second-round pick for Cassel and linebacker Mike Vrabel. Denver would have given more, likely a first-round pick, but Patriots coach Bill Belichick had his deal done with the Chiefs.

This is the key phrase: "but not intensely." Also, it is not clear from this statement if he actually talked to the Patriots personally or if he was just referring to the proposal initiated by the third team in question. Belichek says flat out that no one made an offer for Cassel besides KC..

epicSocialism4tw
04-08-2009, 09:11 PM
Merely just a point to note, seems like you're going out of your way to defend someone that isn't even here though.

I'm not defending Jay. He is what he is, and that is pretty good.

We have thrown our lot in with the 32-year old Patriot disciple instead.

epicSocialism4tw
04-08-2009, 09:14 PM
No, he never said he contacted the Patriots. I just checked that article. Here it is: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...ion/index.html

You are probably referring to this:

This is the key phrase: "but not intensely." Also, it is not clear from this statement if he actually talked to the Patriots personally or if he was just referring to the proposal initiated by the third team in question. Belichek says flat out that no one made an offer for Cassel besides KC..


All that you can know from this is that contact was made at the first opportunity. What can you gather from the "...but not intensely" line? Nothing at all.

McD couldnt handle the pressure on his first important day at work. He collapsed under the weight, and the team made what could go down as the biggest mistake in franchise history because of it. With that even being a possibility, you have to pause and wonder who this 32-year old rookie coach thinks he is.

mhgaffney
04-08-2009, 10:05 PM
Interesting --

Aikman had almost the same reaction that Shannon Sharpe had.

I keep coming back to that question:

Didn't Bowlen sound out McDaniels on the issue of scrambling QBs -- Cutler being the present scrambler in residence...???

The matter of philosophy should have been the very first thing Bowlen discussed with McDaniels.

But obviously they didn't go there. So what DID they talk about ??

fontaine
04-09-2009, 03:00 AM
I don't give a damn what Aikman, or any other outsider has to say on this matter. It's history.

We can bag on McD for his age, wanting Cutler out etc etc. But the way I see it, Cutler was going to be pretty damn good in his offense so the responsibility is on McD to deliver a high powered offense.

How he does that, with Orton, Sims or whoever, I don't care. Just get it done McD because otherwise you've failed.

epicSocialism4tw
04-09-2009, 10:56 AM
I don't give a damn what Aikman, or any other outsider has to say on this matter. It's history.

We can bag on McD for his age, wanting Cutler out etc etc. But the way I see it, Cutler was going to be pretty damn good in his offense so the responsibility is on McD to deliver a high powered offense.

How he does that, with Orton, Sims or whoever, I don't care. Just get it done McD because otherwise you've failed.

Right on.

Another poster mentioned that Sharpe and Aikman had the same reaction...so did Micheal Irvin and Nate Newton here in Dallas.

Just about every big name talent I have read has said the same thing. John Elway backed Bowlen, but thats to be expected.

This thing is a trainwreck of a mistake until proven otherwise.

JCMElway
04-09-2009, 02:02 PM
Aikman's response is more lucid and realistic than just about every take I have read on orangemane.

You wouldn't understand rational or lucid if it chomped you on the a$$.

hambone13
04-09-2009, 02:38 PM
As far as I've read, King hasn't been adamant about it. He merely passed it along at the end of one of his articles as a rumor he heard - not an actual confirmed report.

Both Cutler and McD said that was not the case. How much more proof do we need?

Rohirrim
04-09-2009, 02:45 PM
I don't give a damn what Aikman, or any other outsider has to say on this matter. It's history.

We can bag on McD for his age, wanting Cutler out etc etc. But the way I see it, Cutler was going to be pretty damn good in his offense so the responsibility is on McD to deliver a high powered offense.

How he does that, with Orton, Sims or whoever, I don't care. Just get it done McD because otherwise you've failed.

That's pretty much the way this one lies. No matter whose side you're on, McD has shoved all his chips into the middle of the table. Now he has the draft and a full season of football to show his cards.

BroncoBuff
04-09-2009, 08:09 PM
That's pretty much the way this one lies. No matter whose side you're on, McD has shoved all his chips into the middle of the table. Now he has the draft and a full season of football to show his cards.

I'm so glad you're back ... you wouldn't BELIEVE the stuff your fill-in was saying while you wre gone!

BroncoBuff
04-09-2009, 08:10 PM
McD was working on a trade for Cassell. That much we know. When Jay found out, the situation deteriorated quickly.

It doesnt take a genius to figure out that McD may not have had the best opinion of Jay if he goes about trying to trade him in his first couple of weeks there.

Quit drinking the McD kool-aid. The guy is a freakin' 32-year old first year coach who may have just set the franchise back 10 years.

Aikman is smart enough to see that. I'm not sure why Broncos fans ally in these ridiculous camps, but McD is under some serious pressure to make right the seemingly endless string of mistakes that he has made one after the next in this first 6 weeks as an NFL head coach.

At the risk of raising the temperature in here again ... that is a great post :thumbs:


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