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bpc
04-06-2009, 11:13 AM
Great mock, fills the needs, stocks the defense:

1a. Tyson Jackson - DL - LSU -

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Why do I like Jackson? He is a perfect fit for the 3-4. He's a strongside end in a 4-3 or 3-4 who can anchor against the run, hold the LOS, keep blockers off the LB's, shed and pursue. He is more than adequate at rushing the passer. His body type reminds me a lot of Reggie White (thick in the lower half, high cut but still large upper frame) and while his weight room strength isn't very impressive, he has been more than able to protect himself on the field. Blessed with long arms and a good motor, he keeps coming at blockers over and over while also keeping them out of his body. The knock on him is that he isn't a great sack artist but the thing I think you have to look at which doesn't get recorded accurately is QB pressures... this guy has a ton of them. He always finds a way to get in the QB's face. His burst off the line is average but in a 3-4, this is not mandatory like it would be if you were running a 4-3 and he was playing over the LT. I think he does have good closing speed. He seems to get faster as the play gets going. Also, look at the number of of batted balls he has. I think moving forward there should be a stat for impact plays made by defensive linemen. These could include, tackles, TFL's, batted balls, pressures and sacks. If you look at the overall package, Jackson is going to be a very good/great pro. Expectations should be tempered playing in a 3-4 with sack totals as I think he'll top out at 7-10 at most each year however I think he could walk in and start on day 1 over anybody we have here outside of maybe Peterson who seems like a natural fit at DE in the 3-4.

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http://www.nfl.com/draft/2009/profiles/tyson-jackson?id=71341

1b. Michael Johnson - SAM/DE - GTech -

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Some people hate this selection. They say he's all potential, no substance. I'm just not buying that. I've watched him enough to know and see that this kid has a really high ceiling as well as floor. Blessed with great size, 6'7", 260 and one of the most natural guys moving around the football field that I've seen, he projects well IMO, in a 3-4 defense rushing off the edge but also as a guy that can fall back in zone coverage and protect a lot of ground. I think he fits perfectly as a hybrid SAM/DE. He has flashed the speed, quickness to affect the game rushing the passer or dropping into coverage. Check the UVA/Gtech game and Johnson owned Eugene Monroe who is regarded by Mike Mayock as the best pass blocking OT in the draft. Does he need some work? Most definitely. He needs some good coaching to refine all of his technique. He doesn't look like he got a lot of that in college. Still, you can't deny what he brings to the table and if gets it, he's going to be a difference maker at the next level. At worst I see the guy taking over Boss Bailey's spot and becoming a starter. The upside is much higher.

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2. Strong Safety - I'll take any one of these three, William Moore, Louis Delmas, Eugene Chung and be happy.

I think talent wise, they are ranked correctly in the order listed. I think Moore has the best size, speed and hands while I think Delmas and Chung play with a tiny bit more passion than Moore does. Those two are probably the safer bets to go with. William Moore has battled injuries throughout his career and seems to get nicked up pretty easily. Little injuries tend to knock him off his game in a major way. That's a bad sign. HOWEVER, if ends up being healthy, he's a legit 4.4 guy with great hands for a in the box safety that can cover a lot of ground and lay the wood. Plus the guy weights 220. It's hard to find guys who can run like that. Louis Delmas is a heat seaking missile. I love watching that guy play. I think he'll be lost in coverage at the next level and his head rocking shots could lead to a bunch of penalties ala Kenoy Kennedy. Gotta watch out for those guys now even though they are fun to have on defense... they set the tempo. Patrick Chung is a mixture of both of those guys. He has a hitters mentality despite being a little bit smaller and is more of a cagey vet who uses his instincts to make play for him. He's probably not as natural as the previously mentioned too along with following them in athletic ability but he's a solid guy that will contribue in the secondary and will become a solid defensive starter in the league. Do you take potential or instincts? Bottom line, I want Taylor Mays next year playing Free Safety for us. Our record will probably allow us to make that move as we're going to be sub-.500 IMO. My goal for Denver would be strengthen up the middle of the defense by putting a rookie behind Brian Dawkins to learn. We signed Dawkins to a 3-year deal but he's a stop gap solution for us. We should take advantage of his skills and leadership by bringing in another player to learn behind him. I think any of these guys can do that and personally, I wouldn't be unhappy with any of them.

William Moore -

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http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80f88173

Louis Delmas -

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http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80f87d4f

Patrick Chung -

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http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80f87f63

3a. Victor Harris - CB - Va. Tech -

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I just really respect the V.Tech program. They annually put out SMART, TOUGH, AGGRESSIVE football players and Harris is no difference. He won't run the fastest straight line speed of the CB's and he's probably a 4.5 on the field but he is very quick with natural hands and good instincts for making plays. Like all Va. Tech defenders, he doesn't just fit into one role as a CB... he plays the run equally well coming up and filling lanes. Another aspect I love about his game is he is a pure man to man defender. Va. Tech gets after the QB and they expect their CB's to be able to hold up their end of the bargain by themselves. Harris has not disappointed in that aspect. His speed makes him slide a little bit but he is a quality defender.

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3b. Andre Brown - HB NCState

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I won't get into too much detail but I think he is perfect for the McDaniels style offense. He can run between the tackles, he can catch the pass out of the backfield on the wheel routes, screens and he's big enough to hold up in blocking. He has long ball speed even though it doesn't really show on the field. He's been a little injury prone but I think his best game is ahead of him and fits the offense very well. He's a 80/50 guy in Denver. 80 yds rushing per game, 50 yds receiving.

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4. Austin Collie - WR BYU Collie is a sleeper pick from BYU. Won't run a blazing 40 but is supremely quick and has great hands. Understands route running. Settles into breaks nicely and is smooth in and out of cuts. Understands coverage and how to slide into the holes in zones. He's a couple years older than most WR's coming out after serving his mormon mission. Great red-zone target despite smaller size. Has scored over 30 TD's in his career.

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5. Franz Joseph - ILB - FAU -

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One of my favorite sleeper prospects in the draft. He also happens to be at one of the most shallow positions in the draft. He's racked up over 100 tackles the last two years. Instinctive player who loves to deliver a blow and looks for contact. Could be perfect at the Jack or some people call in the buck. Blow up the hole and take out everybody with it. He's got a little Mike Singletary in him. He won't win any straight line sprints but his position is about 5 yards forward and backwards, 10 yards sideline to sideline. He can cover that.

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6. Terrence Taylor - NT Michigan -

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Vastly underated after coming back for senior year and getting Rodriquezed in the 3-3-5. I think the buy is a beast. I watched him two years ago in the Gator Bowl again Florida and he was destroying UF's offensive line. I think he has very good potential still and I think he would fit the bill as a line player at NT for us. Great balance, strong hands and stout. Conditioning has been knocked but I like his head. Came back for his senior year when he probably could have been a 2nd round pick last year. Education/team matters to him and he stayed. Unfortunately his stock fell. He'll be back up.

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7a.Chase Patton - QB - Mizzou (Backed up the other Chase, better pro potential)

7b.Will Davis - OLB - Illinois

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(I love this guys burst.)

s0phr0syne
04-07-2009, 08:40 PM
I like your mock a lot. I don't know much about Collie or Davis and where they're projected, but Collie's vid is pretty sweet...although you can tell he's against pretty sh*tty competition about 50% of the time.


I like the Michael Johnson pick quite a bit, but I think you and I are in the minority with him. At 18, I would be happy with any of the good LB candidates...M. Johnson, C. Matthews, B. Cushing...hell maybe even C. Barwin?

I think that Andre Brown is going to be one of the best RBs out of this class in the long term, but we'll see. He put on a good show at the Senior Bowl.

Broncojef
04-07-2009, 08:55 PM
Awesome draft, wish you were pulling the trigger for us here in a few weeks. :thumbsup:

NFLBRONCO
04-07-2009, 09:00 PM
Nice job overall I do have questions.

Michael Johnson like him alot but, at 18 seems like a reach here NO?

William Moore heard he hasn't be impressive at all. I think 48 is too high.

Nice job though otherwise

Broncoman13
04-07-2009, 09:29 PM
Nice job overall I do have questions.

Michael Johnson like him alot but, at 18 seems like a reach here NO?

William Moore heard he hasn't be impressive at all. I think 48 is too high.

Nice job though otherwise

William Moore's pro-day report:

One player who performed really well was S William Moore. He looked good in his positional drills and was impressive overall. He measured in at 6-foot and a 1/2-inch, 221 pounds. He ran the 40-yard dash in 4.51 and 4.49 seconds and the three-cone drill in 6.94 seconds. He also posted a 10-foot, 6-inch broad jump.

ludo21
04-07-2009, 11:17 PM
considering safety seems like a weak spot this year, taking any of those guys there wont be a bad idea at all.

i like the draft, but i think some of those sleeper picks will go higher than you have them pegged. they seem to be getting talked up a bunch lately.

anton
04-07-2009, 11:46 PM
DraftParty's videos rule!!

EDIT: I think the Broncos should take Rey at 12 instead of Tyson Jackson because they can get a good 34 de in the 2nd like Jarron Gilbert, Ziggy Hood, or Fili Moala. I would then target an OLB or CB at 18 (someone like English, Maybin, V Davis, D Butler...)

12. Rey Maualuga
18. Darius Butler
48. Fili Moala
would be a good first day imo... (everything changes if Raji is still available)

bpc
04-08-2009, 12:11 AM
DraftParty's videos rule!!

EDIT: I think the Broncos should take Rey at 12 instead of Tyson Jackson because they can get a good 34 de in the 2nd like Jarron Gilbert, Ziggy Hood, or Fili Moala. I would then target an OLB or CB at 18 (someone like English, Maybin, V Davis, D Butler...)

12. Rey Maualuga
18. Darius Butler
48. Fili Moala
would be a good first day imo... (everything changes if Raji is still available)

I hate two of those picks and I am on record with it. Rey is explosive but does not have great or even good instincts. The discipline from play to play is not there either. Consistency wise, he's all over the field. He's a late 1st rounder, early 2nd rounder in my eyes.

Butler is good but too short. Won't fit an aggressive man to man, bump and run scheme that Nolan will want to run.

I thought Moala could be a good fit as a 3-4 DE and then I watched game footage of him and his technique... he pops up EVERY play and is easily blocked. He's a 4th round pick in my eyes at best.

SouthStndJunkie
04-08-2009, 12:22 AM
Very solid draft....Austin Collie might be a great fit for our new offense.

Franz Joseph has been on my radar since his bowl game this year, where he kicked ass....I think it was the Motor City Bowl.

chaz
04-08-2009, 12:24 AM
don't like michael johnson at all but the rest of the mock is beyond solid. good stuff.

NFLBRONCO
04-08-2009, 12:27 AM
William Moore's pro-day report:

One player who performed really well was S William Moore. He looked good in his positional drills and was impressive overall. He measured in at 6-foot and a 1/2-inch, 221 pounds. He ran the 40-yard dash in 4.51 and 4.49 seconds and the three-cone drill in 6.94 seconds. He also posted a 10-foot, 6-inch broad jump.

Thanks I saw report on path to the draft about Moore.

anton
04-08-2009, 12:32 AM
I hate two of those picks and am on record with it. Rey is explosive but has not instincts and is not discipline. He's a late 1st rounder, early 2nd rounder in my eyes.

Butler is good but too short. Won't fit an aggressive man to man, bump and run scheme that Nolan will want to run.

I thought Moala could be a good fit as a 3-4 DE and then I watched game footage of him and his technique... he pops up EVERY play and is easily blocked. He's a 4th round pick in my eyes at best.


I'll give you Moala (I am also iffy on him), but I disagree about Butler. Hes got the best hips in the draft and is best as a man to man guy.

Rey is really interesting, a lot of people either love him or hate him. I guess I am in the love him category. What do you think about Jarron Gilbert as a 34 de?

s0phr0syne
04-08-2009, 12:34 AM
Yeah, that PTD on the safeties (http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80fa8e4d) was a good piece.


I think we really should focus on getting one of the top tier safeties in the 2nd round if at all possible...I think that was one of the best things I liked about BPC's mock. Delmas would be great. If we could turn Sean Smith into a headhunter, it'd be nice. But Nolan didn't really have any luck developing DBs back in SF.

If Moore is still there in the 3rd, we've got to pounce on him, IMO. I think he's unduly gotten a bad rap this offseason, when if you go back and look at his numbers, they're all above average for the safety position.

bpc
04-08-2009, 01:13 AM
I'll give you Moala (I am also iffy on him), but I disagree about Butler. Hes got the best hips in the draft and is best as a man to man guy.

Rey is really interesting, a lot of people either love him or hate him. I guess I am in the love him category. What do you think about Jarron Gilbert as a 34 de?

I think he has a great body for the position and good athleticism however he had good value when he was projected as a 3rd-5th rounder. Now he's being thrown into the late 1st, 2nd round area and I just think that's too high for him considering the body of work and level of competition.

Broncoman13
04-08-2009, 06:30 AM
There is talk that the Patriots really like Butler for their first round pick... which makes me nervous b/c McD might try and "jump" Bilichick by drafting him at 18.

Bronco Boy
04-08-2009, 07:11 AM
I like this mock, but I have a hard time believing Taylor will be around in the 6th.

meangene
04-08-2009, 08:44 AM
I like Brown and Taylor as good value picks. Brown would be rated much higher but for all the time missed with injuries. Taylor could be the best natural nose tackle in this draft. Not real excited about either of the first round guys. Jackson, to me, is not a guy who does anything that a number of later round guys can do - hold the point. Johnson is a boom or bust guy who didn't have great college production - not worth a first round pick IMO.

dbfan21
04-08-2009, 10:03 AM
Great work, man! I like the first round picks as well as the CB out of VA Tech and the ILB from FAU.

cmhargrove
04-08-2009, 10:33 AM
I might throw in Connor Barwin in place of Michael Johnson. Both are projects, but Barwin has an intensity and desire to compete anywhere he is placed. His measurables are just as good as Johnson's and he seems like he would be a great locker room guy.

If I pick instinctive, hard working players, I would say Barwin has the edge over Johnson. Although Johnson is an intriguing athlete and could be a Jason Taylor type in the NFL.

cmhargrove
04-08-2009, 10:37 AM
I like this mock, but I have a hard time believing Taylor will be around in the 6th.

I agree he might be worth overvaluing a little and securing him with our pick in the late third. There are several teams converting to 3-4 this year and NT is a high demand position. Taylor might very well turn out to be a better NT in this system than Raji. For a third rounder, that's a deal.

bpc
04-08-2009, 12:29 PM
I like this mock, but I have a hard time believing Taylor will be around in the 6th.

I think if teams look at Taylor like they are trying to with William Moore, by going back and looking at junior film, he's a late 3rd/early 4th round guy.

If they go by his senior numbers and by what Rich Rodriquez probably says about him, he'll be a late 5th/6th rounder.

Requiem
04-08-2009, 12:30 PM
BPC, I love this mock. Great work bro!

Taco John
04-08-2009, 12:42 PM
I like this draft except that I think it still leaves us weak at NT. I still believe we've got to make NT a priority in this draft.

oubronco
04-08-2009, 12:53 PM
I like this draft except that I think it still leaves us weak at NT. I still believe we've got to make NT a priority in this draft.

AMEN BROTHA

bpc
04-08-2009, 06:43 PM
I like this draft except that I think it still leaves us weak at NT. I still believe we've got to make NT a priority in this draft.

I think that Taylor is going to be a much better NT vs. Brace in the pro's. Just my opinion. The class is weak but I think Taylor is underated.

I also think that Denver is setting the table to make a run at Woolfork in 2010 with the obvious New England connection OR by going after Mt. Cody from Bama in the draft with our 2nd 1st round pick. Just my opinion though.

bpc
04-08-2009, 06:44 PM
AMEN BROTHA

Are there any options at NT besides an overated Ron Brace or BJ Raji playing in a system that won't really fit him? That doesn't sound like very good options to me.

epicSocialism4tw
04-08-2009, 07:15 PM
Frantz Joseph will be an NFL player. Linebackers with his type of vicious streak make excellent players. If nothing else, he'll be a fine special teams player.

Dedhed
04-08-2009, 07:54 PM
I absolutely hate your first round, but I completely love it after that.

Give me Everette Brown and Peria Jerry in the first, and everyone else, and I'd love it.

epicSocialism4tw
04-08-2009, 08:08 PM
Give me Everette Brown and Peria Jerry in the first, and everyone else, and I'd love it.

I like both of those guys. I wouldnt be disappointed with either.

bpc is right when he says that we will draft system players, though. I think that his draft is probably close to what we can expect. McD will draft for system over talent.

oubronco
04-08-2009, 08:38 PM
Are there any options at NT besides an overated Ron Brace or BJ Raji playing in a system that won't really fit him? That doesn't sound like very good options to me.

I kinda like the NT from Michigan but I'm not the draft guru that Junkie is though maybe he can shed some light on the subject

Bronco Boy
04-08-2009, 08:50 PM
Are there any options at NT besides an overated Ron Brace or BJ Raji playing in a system that won't really fit him? That doesn't sound like very good options to me.

Agreed. Hopefully the FO thinks this as well.

Broncoman13
04-08-2009, 09:14 PM
I like Michael Johnson's physical ability. An amazing athlete... so why the poor production? He would be a project too which doesn't bode well for his chances on draft day, at least not for the Broncos.

Tyson Jackson and Rey Maualuga in the first. I think Elvis mans the ROLB spot and DJ Williams the other OLB spot (yes OLB not inside). The battle for the other ILB will be between Woodyard, Davis, and Larsen (and Larsen will win it if given the opportunity!).

In the 2nd, I'd love to see us get William Moore. I think he'll be off the board before #48 though. I think we'll be choosing between Chung and Johnson if we want a safety. Ideally though, we go with Moore in the 2nd. Back up plan would be Ziggy Hood to give us some decent depth at DE for the 3-4 and he (like TyJax) can move inside on passing downs.

3rd round... Please let Pat White be available!!! I'd also like to see us grab an interior guy as well, Woods or Robinson perhaps?

Just got to thinking. If Unger or Mack slip to #48 do you think twice about making them your selection? I'd love to have Unger as he can play any position on the line. He'd provide depth across the line from the get-go and develop into the future center when Casey does hang them up.