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400HZ
04-05-2009, 09:13 PM
I like to try and size things up before the draft. Post draft a lot of people start thinking that their team added seven Pro Bowlers to the roster when in reality only a few rookies make major contributions right away. Iíd like to see what people are thinking about all four teams in the division beyond the obvious ĎAl is senile, Norv is stupid, Denver doesnít have a DLí type stuff.


The schedule sucks ass for sure, especially for Oakland and San Diego. All eight of the NFC East and AFC North teams are Eastern Time Zone. Each team in the AFC West also plays a team from the AFC East, piling on even more. That is nine games total against east coasters. This is a huge advantage for Kansas City. West Coast teams were 0-16 traveling east until week 13 when San Francisco beat Buffalo. Iím not saying that KC will be good enough to take advantage of it and win the division, but they have an edge going in.


I think Oakland is going to wind up in the cellar again. They have issues in virtually every area of their roster. About a week ago, a news site posted a story that Chad Johnson had been traded to Oakland for their 2nd round pick and Michael Bush. It turned out to be a false report, but if Oakland sweetened that offer a little bit then itís a deal that would make sense for both teams. Maybe it will go down in the future. Wide Receiver is where the Raiders need to make immediate and major improvement if they want to be competitive this year. Their defense is hamstrung by being on the field too much and their offense is hamstrung by inability to convert 3rd downs. Their 3rd down conversion % was last in the NFL despite running the ball effectively on 1st and 2nd downs. Jamarcus looks like crap, but he is also surrounded by crap so what can you really expect? He needs a go-to target. If they pull off a deal for Johnson and then add offensive line help in the draft then they will improve significantly as a team. They already added Khalif Barnes, who is an ok player. Defensively they still have issues, but they also have a lot of building blocks in place. Morrison and Howard are awesome linebackers, they have a talented pass rusher in Burgess, and they have a playmaker in the secondary with Asomougha. They need to fill holes for sure, but there is a lot of potential for turnaround there if they can add a couple players up front.


Kansas City is going to be the most improved team in the division. For starters, Herm was addition by subtraction. Todd Haley might be an unknown, but his track record indicates future success. I was impressed with how he stood up to Kurt Warner and Edgerrin James when they b****ed about stuff and also how he helped refocus the team after their December slump. Secondly, the Chiefs have had a lot of high draft picks lately. The talent level of their team has improved a lot even if it hasnít been reflected in wins. They are building a core. A lot of times talented rookies donít make huge contributions right away, but when a young solid core is built they blossom together all at the same time. What they absolutely need to do is add a pass rusher. Everett Brown is the best pure pass rusher in this yearís draft, but he is undersized and Clancy Pendergast has favored bigger DEís in the past. Aaron Curry is the best overall defensive player in the draft and heíll probably be there when the Chiefs are picking. They will take him and then maybe get somebody like Michael Johnson or Lawrence Sidbury later on to pair with Tamba Hali. Between those guys, Brandon Flowers, Glenn Dorsey, Derrick Johnson, and Bernard Pollard they will have a nice core of young players going forward on defense. It might come together this year or it might not happen until next year or later, but I think it will happen at some point in the near future. They might have to wait one more year to add the elite pass rusher that they need.


Denver I think is in a world of hurt for obvious reasons. The defense is a multi-year project. The offense is going through a huge transition. The bright spot is clearly the supporting cast on offense. Kyle Orton should do ok with much better receivers and an offensive line good enough to make any runner look good. Ok isnít going to win games though with the defense looking as bad as it is. That will take a few years to fix, and I think those are going to be lean years in Denver.


San Diego is paying for overinvesting in luxury positions. In 2006 most people would have agreed that their offensive and defensive lines were among the best in the league and they won 14 games. Since then they havenít added any players to those groups and they are paying for it. They are clearly no longer elite units, and the depth on both fronts is disgusting. The cause is obvious. Last year they spent their first two picks on a nickel cornerback and what they thought would be a third running back. The year before it was a wide receiver and a safety. They need an infusion of talent in the trenches. Their draft this year should be beef, beef, and beef. They need to spent at least three of their first four draft picks on linemen and also look into signing someone like Vonnie Holliday if they want to compete with more physical teams like Pittsburgh, Baltimore, and Tennessee. Until they address it, those teams are clearly a cut above. Their offense was more impressive last year than most people realize. Despite their run game falling into the abyss, **** pass protection, and adjusting to a new ACL Phillip Rivers lead the offense to the second most points in the NFL and the third highest 3rd down conversion %. He is the guy to build around. They need to beef up the line and Norv needs to be more willing to shake up the running back situation if things arenít working.


In the end, I say San Diego wins 10 games, KC 8, Denver 5, and Oakland 4. And San Diego wins the Superbowl. :clown:


Iíd like to hear what you all think. Please try and keep it objective and productive and not turn it into my team is better than your team type thing.

s0phr0syne
04-05-2009, 09:22 PM
Dallas is in Central Standard Time.


nitpicking i know...

400HZ
04-05-2009, 09:24 PM
Dallas is in Central Standard Time.


nitpicking i know...

_i_O_i_

Hercules Rockefeller
04-05-2009, 09:27 PM
KC isn't close to being 8 games good yet, even with Cassel. Without a 2nd round pick, no chance they're getting Michael Johnson either. So they're young and have some rookies who played a lot, doesn't mean they'll eventually be players. You're relying too much on a belief they'll simply improve, which may or may not happen.

Denver's got issues, they'll still be able to move the ball but I think they really need a 20+ carry a game back, which they don't have. That will really take the pressure off of Orton. This offense could survive when everyone knew they had to pass with Cutler back there, they can't with Orton. What, if any, improvement they can see in the Front 7 on defense will depend entirely on if they can get 2 contributors right away in this draft. They can survive with the secondary they have from the FA signings, but if QBs have all day like they have had in the past, then the additional talent in the back won't mean jack.

SD wins the division this year going away, and the other 3 are left to compete to see who sucks the least for 2nd and 3rd.

Br0nc0Buster
04-05-2009, 09:29 PM
I like to try and size things up before the draft. Post draft a lot of people start thinking that their team added seven Pro Bowlers to the roster when in reality only a few rookies make major contributions right away. Iíd like to see what people are thinking about all four teams in the division beyond the obvious ĎAl is senile, Norv is stupid, Denver doesnít have a DLí type stuff.


The schedule sucks ass for sure, especially for Oakland and San Diego. All eight of the NFC East and AFC North teams are Eastern Time Zone. Each team in the AFC West also plays a team from the AFC East, piling on even more. That is nine games total against east coasters. This is a huge advantage for Kansas City. West Coast teams were 0-16 traveling east until week 13 when San Francisco beat Buffalo. Iím not saying that KC will be good enough to take advantage of it and win the division, but they have an edge going in.


I think Oakland is going to wind up in the cellar again. They have issues in virtually every area of their roster. About a week ago, a news site posted a story that Chad Johnson had been traded to Oakland for their 2nd round pick and Michael Bush. It turned out to be a false report, but if Oakland sweetened that offer a little bit then itís a deal that would make sense for both teams. Maybe it will go down in the future. Wide Receiver is where the Raiders need to make immediate and major improvement if they want to be competitive this year. Their defense is hamstrung by being on the field too much and their offense is hamstrung by inability to convert 3rd downs. Their 3rd down conversion % was last in the NFL despite running the ball effectively on 1st and 2nd downs. Jamarcus looks like crap, but he is also surrounded by crap so what can you really expect? He needs a go-to target. If they pull off a deal for Johnson and then add offensive line help in the draft then they will improve significantly as a team. They already added Khalif Barnes, who is an ok player. Defensively they still have issues, but they also have a lot of building blocks in place. Morrison and Howard are awesome linebackers, they have a talented pass rusher in Burgess, and they have a playmaker in the secondary with Asomougha. They need to fill holes for sure, but there is a lot of potential for turnaround there if they can add a couple players up front.


Kansas City is going to be the most improved team in the division. For starters, Herm was addition by subtraction. Todd Haley might be an unknown, but his track record indicates future success. I was impressed with how he stood up to Kurt Warner and Edgerrin James when they b****ed about stuff and also how he helped refocus the team after their December slump. Secondly, the Chiefs have had a lot of high draft picks lately. The talent level of their team has improved a lot even if it hasnít been reflected in wins. They are building a core. A lot of times talented rookies donít make huge contributions right away, but when a young solid core is built they blossom together all at the same time. What they absolutely need to do is add a pass rusher. Everett Brown is the best pure pass rusher in this yearís draft, but he is undersized and Clancy Pendergast has favored bigger DEís in the past. Aaron Curry is the best overall defensive player in the draft and heíll probably be there when the Chiefs are picking. They will take him and then maybe get somebody like Michael Johnson or Lawrence Sidbury later on to pair with Tamba Hali. Between those guys, Brandon Flowers, Glenn Dorsey, Derrick Johnson, and Bernard Pollard they will have a nice core of young players going forward on defense. It might come together this year or it might not happen until next year or later, but I think it will happen at some point in the near future. They might have to wait one more year to add the elite pass rusher that they need.


Denver I think is in a world of hurt for obvious reasons. The defense is a multi-year project. The offense is going through a huge transition. The bright spot is clearly the supporting cast on offense. Kyle Orton should do ok with much better receivers and an offensive line good enough to make any runner look good. Ok isnít going to win games though with the defense looking as bad as it is. That will take a few years to fix, and I think those are going to be lean years in Denver.


San Diego is paying for overinvesting in luxury positions. In 2006 most people would have agreed that their offensive and defensive lines were among the best in the league and they won 14 games. Since then they havenít added any players to those groups and they are paying for it. They are clearly no longer elite units, and the depth on both fronts is disgusting. The cause is obvious. Last year they spent their first two picks on a nickel cornerback and what they thought would be a third running back. The year before it was a wide receiver and a safety. They need an infusion of talent in the trenches. Their draft this year should be beef, beef, and beef. They need to spent at least three of their first four draft picks on linemen and also look into signing someone like Vonnie Holliday if they want to compete with more physical teams like Pittsburgh, Baltimore, and Tennessee. Until they address it, those teams are clearly a cut above. Their offense was more impressive last year than most people realize. Despite their run game falling into the abyss, **** pass protection, and adjusting to a new ACL Phillip Rivers lead the offense to the second most points in the NFL and the third highest 3rd down conversion %. He is the guy to build around. They need to beef up the line and Norv needs to be more willing to shake up the running back situation if things arenít working.


In the end, I say San Diego wins 10 games, KC 8, Denver 5, and Oakland 4. And San Diego wins the Superbowl. :clown:


Iíd like to hear what you all think. Please try and keep it objective and productive and not turn it into my team is better than your team type thing.

I would flip Denver and KC as far as record wise and call it good.

Adding a new coach can sort of re-energize a team, by the fact that no one is sure what kind of team Denver is going to be, I would think we can sneak in a few more wins that 5.

Hercules Rockefeller
04-05-2009, 09:34 PM
And I'll add records.

SD: 9-10
KC: 5-6
Den: 4-6
Oak: 3-4

Also, no news site reported the Bush/Ocho Cinco swap, it came from the BleacherReport which is pretty much any other message board that allows their people to contribute "articles" to be posted.

RhymesayersDU
04-05-2009, 09:37 PM
While San Diego tries to get into some fancy "playoff" the real race will be between Oakland, KC, and Denver for who will get the #1 pick in next year's draft.

It will be exciting, I guarantee it.

400HZ
04-05-2009, 09:38 PM
KC isn't close to being 8 games good yet, even with Cassel. Without a 2nd round pick, no chance they're getting Michael Johnson either. So they're young and have some rookies who played a lot, doesn't mean they'll eventually be players. You're relying too much on a belief they'll simply improve, which may or may not happen.

Denver's got issues, they'll still be able to move the ball but I think they really need a 20+ carry a game back, which they don't have. That will really take the pressure off of Orton. This offense could survive when everyone knew they had to pass with Cutler back there, they can't with Orton. What, if any, improvement they can see in the Front 7 on defense will depend entirely on if they can get 2 contributors right away in this draft. They can survive with the secondary they have from the FA signings, but if QBs have all day like they have had in the past, then the additional talent in the back won't mean jack.

SD wins the division this year going away, and the other 3 are left to compete to see who sucks the least for 2nd and 3rd.

Between Michael Johnson's disappointing year, average workouts, and the rising stock of guys like Connor Barwin, Robert Ayes, and Larry English that Johnson will be there in the 3rd for KC. People don't seem to like him that much anymore.

BroncoMan4ever
04-05-2009, 09:40 PM
In the end, I say San Diego wins 10 games, KC 8, Denver 5, and Oakland 4. And San Diego wins the Superbowl. :clown:


Iíd like to hear what you all think. Please try and keep it objective and productive and not turn it into my team is better than your team type thing.

1st off i need to call you a homer.

secondly, as teams stand right now, before the draft and concidering the AFC West plays a lot of rough games. i am going to say SD gets 9 wins, because they haven't really upgraded much or at all since the end of last season, and I am not sure how good Merriman will be to start the season, but i am expecting rust and him to be about 70% of what he was before injury to begin the season. the Broncos, with adequate defensive coaching and the dumping of the trash on the defense, i expected the team to get 9 wins as well, but with the trading of our QB and still no running game to speak of, and Marshall's posible suspension, i am dropping the number of wins to 6. KC got a QB who i don't think is going to be any good outside of NE, and not much else, so i say 5 wins. Oakland remains a cellar dweller and gets 4 wins.

Spider
04-05-2009, 09:41 PM
9-7 will win the division this year .......
Chargers are still the team to beat and that isnt saying much
Chiefs , even if Cassel is all he is advertised to be ,there are still to many holes
Denver ... so many question marks , we wont have a clue until after the draft , we will still have alot of questions , but at least we will know where we are heading ......
Raiders get Garcia , they will be contenders for the afc west title but not much more ........

skpac1001
04-05-2009, 09:44 PM
Pre-draft, I like our offense quite a bit more then KC and our defenses both are transitioning and both suck, so the race for 2nd place should be a nail biter but I think we take it. Post draft, theoretically we should improve more, but we will see.

Spider
04-05-2009, 09:48 PM
Pre-draft, I like our offense quite a bit more then KC and our defenses both are transitioning and both suck, so the race for 2nd place should be a nail biter but I think we take it. Post draft, theoretically we should improve more, but we will see.

but if we can draft well ......I am worried about switching to a 3-4 ( I read somewhere we was ) but now is the time to do it , we got the draft picks to make the switch ........

Atwater His Ass
04-05-2009, 10:09 PM
While San Diego tries to get into some fancy "playoff" the real race will be between Oakland, KC, and Denver for who will get the #1 pick in next year's draft.

It will be exciting, I guarantee it.

Pretty much my view as well. Although, I think Oakland has a lock on the cellar, KC has improved and DEN got worse, so it'll be a dogfight for that 3rd spot. SD, although falling as well imo, will win the division, and I don't think they'll have much trouble doing so.

No wildcard will come from the AFC West this year.

Kaylore
04-05-2009, 10:15 PM
Oakland: I still see a lot of athletes with not a lot of football. I don't think there is enough brains on their coaching staff to develop them either. Their defense is hot and cold. McFadden has all the earmarks of a typical Al Davis bust. Russell isn't that great and especially is this true when you consider he's still throwing to Lelie and Walker. Their D-line is old and washed up. Basically they have Nnamdi and some linebackers. Until Al Davis dies they will never get over the 6 win mark.

KC: Their "awesome draft" has yielded little, though they could still develop. Worst is their top pick in Dorsey is now moving to a system that doesn't fit his skill set. Their coaching change is a huge upgrade. This is partly slanted because of how horrible Herm is, but I don't want to take anything away from Todd Haley. They're moving to new systems, and that includes Cassel, which means they will have some growing pains. I think they'll be way better than they were (at least double their wins) but I don't know about that next level. I really, really don't want them to land Curry, but don't see any scenario where they won't. Someone taking Curry would be awesome because there isn't anyone else at 3 worth the money.

Chargers: They've become really soft. Rivers is excellent, and Sproles helped carry his team. They have good enough receivers and a healthy Gates will make their offense potent this year. My concern is on their offensive and defensive lines. Both are soft. Their interior of their linebacking corps is soft too. Getting Merriman back will be a huge boon as well. They think their safeties are weak (and they are) but I think Weddle takes a step forward this year. I don't know that he'll ever be "awesome" but I think things come together with him.

Broncos: A lot of people think we're going to be "terrible" this year. I disagree. The defense, not unlike the Herm firing, took a big step forward when they replaced Slowick. The coaching staff and philosophy will make the team more physical on defense and we'll generate more turnovers. On offense we have all the key pieces back: the great offensive line (including the coach), the receivers, the tight ends and we added some running backs. We lost Cutler, but we got a QB that is 12-2 at home. I predict that we'll be lower in total offense (down from 2) but we'll be better in points scored (up from 16th). I think we surprise a lot of teams. Our schedule is brutal, but I think we'll be better than people think. By that I mean most people think we'll win 3-5 games and I think we win 6-8.

DarkHorse
04-05-2009, 10:23 PM
Oakland: I still see a lot of athletes with not a lot of football. I don't think there is enough brains on their coaching staff to develop them either. Their defense is hot and cold. McFadden has all the earmarks of a typical Al Davis bust. Russell isn't that great and especially is this true when you consider he's still throwing to Lelie and Walker. Their D-line is old and washed up. Basically they have Nnamdi and some linebackers. Until Al Davis dies they will never get over the 6 win mark.

KC: Their "awesome draft" has yielded little, though they could still develop. Worst is their top pick in Dorsey is now moving to a system that doesn't fit his skill set. Their coaching change is a huge upgrade. This is partly slanted because of how horrible Herm is, but I don't want to take anything away from Todd Haley. They're moving to new systems, and that includes Cassel, which means they will have some growing pains. I think they'll be way better than they were (at least double their wins) but I don't know about that next level. I really, really don't want them to land Curry, but don't see any scenario where they won't. Someone taking Curry would be awesome because there isn't anyone else at 3 worth the money.

Chargers: They've become really soft. Rivers is excellent, and Sproles helped carry his team. They have good enough receivers and a healthy Gates will make their offense potent this year. My concern is on their offensive and defensive lines. Both are soft. Their interior of their linebacking corps is soft too. Getting Merriman back will be a huge boon as well. They think their safeties are weak (and they are) but I think Weddle takes a step forward this year. I don't know that he'll ever be "awesome" but I think things come together with him.

Broncos: A lot of people think we're going to be "terrible" this year. I disagree. The defense, not unlike the Herm firing, took a big step forward when they replaced Slowick. The coaching staff and philosophy will make the team more physical on defense and we'll generate more turnovers. On offense we have all the key pieces back: the great offensive line (including the coach), the receivers, the tight ends and we added some running backs. We lost Cutler, but we got a QB that is 12-2 at home. I predict that we'll be lower in total offense (down from 2) but we'll be better in points scored (up from 16th). I think we surprise a lot of teams. Our schedule is brutal, but I think we'll be better than people think. By that I mean most people think we'll win 3-5 games and I think we win 6-8.


15-2 buddy, let's get it right :thumbsup: !Booya!

BlaK-Argentina
04-05-2009, 10:43 PM
San Diego will win the division next year. I think that's about 90% certain.

KC should be improved but I'm guessing they won't win more than 6 or 7 games.

Oakland... I have no idea. And I don't care either.

I think the Broncos will be better than what most people think. Somewhere between 7 and 9 wins. If we get some playmakers from the draft that can start on D right away, and if Orton plays solid ball I think we'll be an average team. Not bad by any means. I just want us to be an agressive team once again, a team that doesn't fold under pressure... a team that we don't have to call "finesse" ever again.

400HZ
04-05-2009, 10:51 PM
Is KC for sure going to a 3-4? I heard it discussed as a possibility but not a certainty.

Karenin
04-05-2009, 10:59 PM
SD will have the exact same team this year that they had last year, except everyone is a year older, including their RB, who looks to be on his last legs. And they are playing a much harder schedule, yet they will win two more games. Nah, don't think so. They win 7 if they're lucky.

400HZ
04-05-2009, 11:07 PM
Chargers: They've become really soft. Rivers is excellent, and Sproles helped carry his team. They have good enough receivers and a healthy Gates will make their offense potent this year. My concern is on their offensive and defensive lines. Both are soft. Their interior of their linebacking corps is soft too. Getting Merriman back will be a huge boon as well. They think their safeties are weak (and they are) but I think Weddle takes a step forward this year. I don't know that he'll ever be "awesome" but I think things come together with him.


Safeties always come out looking like assholes when the front seven isn't performing well. Kevin Burnett was an ok signing at middle linebacker and should completely keep the Great White Mangina Wilhelm off the field. I think Burnett and Stephen Cooper will start and Tim Dobbins and/or Brandon Siler (love him) will be package guys. It's not a position of strength, but it's not the glaring weakness that it was last year when had to roll out two lead-footed pansy white guys at the same time. The defensive line is what has really gone to ****. It's down to two starting caliber players and one decent rotational guy. Top 3-4 defenses need four starting caliber types and at least two good rotators. I would spend the Chargers first two picks on DL without question if I was in charge of things, and then I would sign a guy and also use a late round pick.

nickademus
04-05-2009, 11:17 PM
Eddie Royal had better be thanking every football god there is that he just got the OC who has turned wes welker in to a 100 reception machine but even if we dont take a huge step back on O our schedual is going to kill us so I would say we are probably gonna be 6-10 this season.

24champ
04-05-2009, 11:20 PM
San Diego should run away with the division, as for where the rest end up... it's a toss up.

Denver could realistically finish second or even dead last. Fact of the matter is that Denver went through some dramatic changes...we really don't know how the team stacks up right now.

Anaximines
04-05-2009, 11:27 PM
fun read, interesting and thoughtful analysis. Who can really say at this point how it will go down. You know, you're setting yourself up for this thread to be unearthed in December, for better or worse.

JJJ
04-05-2009, 11:39 PM
SD lines, especially on D, are so weak and lack depth I really believe 8-8 again might be considered a good season. If they go RB in the first round I may slit someone esle's wrist. I hope they trade down to get a 2nd.

Look for one of the other three teams to pullout a 9-7 season and take the division. KC and Den both could reach that number of wins.

Durango
04-06-2009, 12:08 AM
All this turmoil will probably have it's consequences in the Broncos record, but 6 wins seems more likely than 4. We have to get a little lucky somewhere during the season, and Denver isn't as bad as four earned wins. The schedule is the toughest in many years as many have noted, but even so, the Broncos are not devoid of talent by any stretch of the imagination. I could see San Diego winning 9 or ten games, with Denver, Kansas City and Oakland all within a game of 6 wins, plus or minus.

KCStud
04-06-2009, 12:16 AM
Denver is now in a major rebuilding effort. Offense has no real QB or feature back while the defense doesn't have much talent going forward. Bailey and Dawkins are good defenders, but are both past their prime, especially Dawkins.

Oakland is still Oakland.

KC is interesting. They have young talented players such as Dorsey, Albert, Charles, Cox, and Cottam going forward. The system is going to be very similar to what Cassel ran in NE and Haley/Gailey have are excellent with QB's. The defense will be a hybrid mix of the 3-4 and 4-3 which fits our players pretty well.
KC wants OUT of the 3 spot to pick up a 2nd rounder, so don't be surprised to see it happen.

As for SD, I think they downgraded. LT is going downhill, Merriman is coming back from a serious injury with NO roids. They lost Olshansky. Their OL was almost as bad as KC's last year and they are getting progressively worse every year with Norv.

You can call me a homer all you want, but I really don't see why KC can't win the division. Denver and Oakland are a mess, KC lost to SD by less than 3 points combined in both games (should have won game at Arrowhead), and SD's terrible OL last season gave up 5 sacks to the DL with the worst pass rush of all time. (KC got 10 sacks last year.)

It will surely be interesting

worm
04-06-2009, 12:22 AM
I think this Denver team will surprise (does that make me a homer)? There are good pieces to reuse here. I am most excited seeing what Nolan can do.

Josh begins his string of a winning record.

San Diego is the class of the division again...but that really doesn't say much does it?

Oak and KC battle for the basement...again.

BroncoBuff
04-06-2009, 12:29 AM
Our QB and RB situations are completely unsettled, and we're installing a new offense.

Our defense was the worst in the league last year, and half our starters will be new.


Based on all this, we should be ranked about even with KC and Oakland as probable 4-6 game winners.

Sorry, but reality sucks sometimes ... :(

baja
04-06-2009, 01:00 AM
I'm in the camp of we will be better than most think.

I say 7 to 9 wins.

Popps
04-06-2009, 01:15 AM
Our QB and RB situations are completely unsettled, and we're installing a new offense.

Our defense was the worst in the league last year, and half our starters will be new.


Based on all this, we should be ranked about even with KC and Oakland as probable 4-6 game winners.

Sorry, but reality sucks sometimes ... :(

That isn't reality, Buff. That's the scenario you're choosing to cling to, for whatever reason.

Even if it's true, we may win 6 games and finish the season with momentum, and show real promise as far as implementing the new system, etc.

Our defense literally can't be much worse than it was, and our offense was in the middle of the road at putting points on the board. You know, maybe there's some scenarios out there where we could actually IMPROVE those stats next year.

BroncoBuff
04-06-2009, 01:39 AM
That isn't reality, Buff. That's the scenario you're choosing to cling to, for whatever reason.

Even if it's true, we may win 6 games and finish the season with momentum, and show real promise as far as implementing the new system, etc.

Our defense literally can't be much worse than it was, and our offense was in the middle of the road at putting points on the board. You know, maybe there's some scenarios out there where we could actually IMPROVE those stats next year.

I'll sign on to that, all but the "clinging" part ... this is the first I had thought about it actually.

boltaneer
04-06-2009, 02:25 AM
Safeties always come out looking like a-holes when the front seven isn't performing well. Kevin Burnett was an ok signing at middle linebacker and should completely keep the Great White Mangina Wilhelm off the field. I think Burnett and Stephen Cooper will start and Tim Dobbins and/or Brandon Siler (love him) will be package guys. It's not a position of strength, but it's not the glaring weakness that it was last year when had to roll out two lead-footed pansy white guys at the same time. The defensive line is what has really gone to ****. It's down to two starting caliber players and one decent rotational guy. Top 3-4 defenses need four starting caliber types and at least two good rotators. I would spend the Chargers first two picks on DL without question if I was in charge of things, and then I would sign a guy and also use a late round pick.

To be honest, I really haven't been paying that much attention to the draft this year but I listened to Pat Kirwan's and Tim Ryan's mock draft this past week and they for San Diego's pick they wanted to go d-line but there just wasn't a 3-4 DE or DT there to justify taking at #16.

I agree that the best bet might be to be fortunate and find a trade partner to move down and be in a spot where you can take some d-line players. I'm really hoping AJ doesn't ignore the beef and at least one outside backer/pass rusher but I have a bad feeling about it for some reason.

BTW, I'm almost ready to see a transition back to a 4-3. I know Rivera can run a 3-4 but his success in Chicago was with the 4-3. I think it all hinges on how many more years Jamal Williams has left in him. Once Jamal hangs 'em up, I don't see why they should stick with a 3-4 unless by some miracle they find a guy who can fill his shoes. Merriman and Phillips were both DEs in college so it shouldn't be that big of a transition to move back.

watermock
04-06-2009, 03:14 AM
SD 9-7
D-6-9
KC6-9
Oak 5-11

fontaine
04-06-2009, 04:18 AM
I'm not that worried about the upcoming season. I doubt we go past 7 wins but the real issue for me is the long term plan for this team, in other words how far away are we from being a strong playoff team.

Before this offseason we just needed to improve the defense and already there were cracks showing in that strategy because apart from Thomas/Dumervil we had no upcoming young players that we drafted that were worth a damn.

Now, in the next two years this team needs to rebuild the defense from scratch because we're going 3-4 with the added headache of installing a different offense that doesn't rely on the QB. How long will it take for Orton to get familiar with McDaniels system and for that matter will Orton even be around next year, which if he isn't then we start the whole process again of finding the next QB which will require another two year period at least to find out if he has what it takes and so on, so on. All while the rest of the offense gets older.

The next three years is a complete unkown and major turning point in the franchise. If the D struggles to shift to a 3-4, we don't get decent returns from the next two loaded drafts then I can't see McDaniels lasting long and then we're right back to square one, of finding the next HC, QB, Defense etc etc.

So I don't expect us to win a lot of games next year, but the most crucial thing is we have to draft well, and show improvement on Defense. Anything outside of that, including QB play will be a bonus.

chadta
04-06-2009, 04:27 AM
i went 14-2 with out current broncos team in madden


ya i know,


im just sayin.

Drek
04-06-2009, 06:52 AM
My take....

SD: Should be improved over their inconsistencies last year with Merriman back, which will help improve the play of the entire defense, but Olshansky was a solid contributor that they've now lost and their CBs got exposed quite a bit yesterday. It'll take more than just one great pass rusher to cover up those problems. On offense they'll continue to be a good team, but they need to get finding better weapons for Rivers since LT is showing his age, Gates' being injured is turning into an annual thing, and Chambers, Jackson, etc. all look like at best a solid #2.

They go into the season as the clear division favorite, but for a team that has historically started slow, they could cause themselves some trouble if the tough part of their schedule is in the back half of the season.

Looking at their home and road matchups, I'd expect a 6-2 record at home and 3-5 on the road. Thats 9-7 but still very possibly good enough to win the division again.

KC: Cassel is an improvement at QB, but can he handle being the man and not having McDaniels, Moss, Welker, etc.? Their OL has major issues, their DL has some talent, but they aren't 3-4 types, so even in a hybrid they're less than ideal fits. They added an experienced LB in Vrabel but he might not have much tread left as well. Their secondary is still very questionable. They need a good draft and will be filling starting 22 holes with rookies at more than a few spots. If they go 4-4 at home and 2-6 on the road I think KC fans should be fairly happy with the progress they would've made. Thats 6-10, probably picking in the 5-10 range again next year.

Oakland: I honestly don't see anything to convince me that this organization is improving, at all. Russell has shown no real signs of growth, except when they flat out just didn't let him pass. Their RBs are solid but their OL is shakey, so it could all quickly fall apart with injuries or underperformances. They're now relying on scrubs and last year's rookies at WR. Defensively they might be ok, but they need to find a better option than Terdell Sands at NT who is basically robbing them with his new deal, and Tommy Kelly is obviously an overpaid UT who is average to slightly above at best. Their linebackers are mediocre, and their secondary vasilates between bad and above average with the exception of Asomugha, the one star on their defense (or entire team really).

Cable got them riled up and pulled a few games out of their asses last year, the new coach fire isn't going to carry over though and I wouldn't be surprised if they regress. I can't feel good projecting them for more than one win on the road, so 1-7 there, and I can't see more than a 3-5 home record, so 4-12 and a top 5 pick would be my bet.

Denver: Lot of questions with Denver, but my take pre-draft starting with the offense.

Not a real consistent offense last year, hence being #2 in yardage but #16 in points, and having some of the worst offensive showings at home. Orton is a consistent QB who plays his best football at home. He's also familiar with the spread that McDaniels will be installing. The rest of the offense fits McDaniels' scheme well too, as Royal is a very good comparable for Wes Welker, Marshall is an even more dangerous YAC producer than Randy Moss, Scheffler is a great comparable for Ben Watson, the OL is overall young and on par with the Pats' OL when healthy, and Hillis should be a great fit in McDaniels' pass heavy single back sets. I also think he's got a lot of things in mind now that he's got Dan Graham back.

I doubt the offense puts up as much yardage as it did last year, but a 7-12 ranking in total yardage is about what I'd expect. McDaniels always has his offenses scoring in the 1/3rd or so of the league as well though, so I'd expect us to produce that here as well, with total points also in the 7-12 range.

On defense the Broncos were horrible last year, but the problems that were already present were greatly exacerbated when the team lost its two best defenders, Champ Bailey and DJ Williams, for nearly two months each at the same time.

The move to a 3-4/4-3 hybrid should fit the talent well as it puts Dumervil and Moss in their optimal positions (3-4 OLB), finds a role for Spencer Larsen, and takes the focus of the scheme away from the DL. The secondary has also taken a big step forward by adding a solidly average to slightly above veteran safety in Renaldo Hill, a solidly above average (and consistent) CB in Andre Goodman, and a team leader who while in the twilight of his career is still a reliable and better than average player in Brian Dawkins. With a healthy Champ and a now battle tested Josh Bell at nickel the secondary should be significantly better than it was last year.

The big problem remains on the defensive line. While their prominence as the play makers will be reduced in the new scheme they still need to be able to handle their assignments and take on blockers. The only noteworthy addition is Ron Fields, who should be a rotational NT, not a starter, but he's better than any option the Broncos had there last year, so sadly he's an improvement.

I could see the Broncos being a better team in '09 than they were in '08, but a 4-4 home and a 4-4 road record would be about what I'd expect, so another 8-8 season would be my guess.

400HZ
04-06-2009, 07:27 AM
To be honest, I really haven't been paying that much attention to the draft this year but I listened to Pat Kirwan's and Tim Ryan's mock draft this past week and they for San Diego's pick they wanted to go d-line but there just wasn't a 3-4 DE or DT there to justify taking at #16.

I agree that the best bet might be to be fortunate and find a trade partner to move down and be in a spot where you can take some d-line players. I'm really hoping AJ doesn't ignore the beef and at least one outside backer/pass rusher but I have a bad feeling about it for some reason.

BTW, I'm almost ready to see a transition back to a 4-3. I know Rivera can run a 3-4 but his success in Chicago was with the 4-3. I think it all hinges on how many more years Jamal Williams has left in him. Once Jamal hangs 'em up, I don't see why they should stick with a 3-4 unless by some miracle they find a guy who can fill his shoes. Merriman and Phillips were both DEs in college so it shouldn't be that big of a transition to move back.

Late 1st/Early 2nd there are quite a few good prospects. Ziggy Hood is my favorite. Then there's Jerry, Gilbert, and Sen'Derrick. Trading down to #28 or so would maximize effciency, but I'd just reach for Hood at #16 if we can't. DE is San Diego's biggest need.

Cito Pelon
04-06-2009, 08:19 AM
It's too early to speculate. Speculating right now is fun for some people, but it doesn't amount to a hill of beans til after preseason.

Tombstone RJ
04-06-2009, 08:55 AM
I like to try and size things up before the draft. Post draft a lot of people start thinking that their team added seven Pro Bowlers to the roster when in reality only a few rookies make major contributions right away. Iíd like to see what people are thinking about all four teams in the division beyond the obvious ĎAl is senile, Norv is stupid, Denver doesnít have a DLí type stuff.


The schedule sucks ass for sure, especially for Oakland and San Diego. All eight of the NFC East and AFC North teams are Eastern Time Zone. Each team in the AFC West also plays a team from the AFC East, piling on even more. That is nine games total against east coasters. This is a huge advantage for Kansas City. West Coast teams were 0-16 traveling east until week 13 when San Francisco beat Buffalo. Iím not saying that KC will be good enough to take advantage of it and win the division, but they have an edge going in.


I think Oakland is going to wind up in the cellar again. They have issues in virtually every area of their roster. About a week ago, a news site posted a story that Chad Johnson had been traded to Oakland for their 2nd round pick and Michael Bush. It turned out to be a false report, but if Oakland sweetened that offer a little bit then itís a deal that would make sense for both teams. Maybe it will go down in the future. Wide Receiver is where the Raiders need to make immediate and major improvement if they want to be competitive this year. Their defense is hamstrung by being on the field too much and their offense is hamstrung by inability to convert 3rd downs. Their 3rd down conversion % was last in the NFL despite running the ball effectively on 1st and 2nd downs. Jamarcus looks like crap, but he is also surrounded by crap so what can you really expect? He needs a go-to target. If they pull off a deal for Johnson and then add offensive line help in the draft then they will improve significantly as a team. They already added Khalif Barnes, who is an ok player. Defensively they still have issues, but they also have a lot of building blocks in place. Morrison and Howard are awesome linebackers, they have a talented pass rusher in Burgess, and they have a playmaker in the secondary with Asomougha. They need to fill holes for sure, but there is a lot of potential for turnaround there if they can add a couple players up front.


Kansas City is going to be the most improved team in the division. For starters, Herm was addition by subtraction. Todd Haley might be an unknown, but his track record indicates future success. I was impressed with how he stood up to Kurt Warner and Edgerrin James when they b****ed about stuff and also how he helped refocus the team after their December slump. Secondly, the Chiefs have had a lot of high draft picks lately. The talent level of their team has improved a lot even if it hasnít been reflected in wins. They are building a core. A lot of times talented rookies donít make huge contributions right away, but when a young solid core is built they blossom together all at the same time. What they absolutely need to do is add a pass rusher. Everett Brown is the best pure pass rusher in this yearís draft, but he is undersized and Clancy Pendergast has favored bigger DEís in the past. Aaron Curry is the best overall defensive player in the draft and heíll probably be there when the Chiefs are picking. They will take him and then maybe get somebody like Michael Johnson or Lawrence Sidbury later on to pair with Tamba Hali. Between those guys, Brandon Flowers, Glenn Dorsey, Derrick Johnson, and Bernard Pollard they will have a nice core of young players going forward on defense. It might come together this year or it might not happen until next year or later, but I think it will happen at some point in the near future. They might have to wait one more year to add the elite pass rusher that they need.


Denver I think is in a world of hurt for obvious reasons. The defense is a multi-year project. The offense is going through a huge transition. The bright spot is clearly the supporting cast on offense. Kyle Orton should do ok with much better receivers and an offensive line good enough to make any runner look good. Ok isnít going to win games though with the defense looking as bad as it is. That will take a few years to fix, and I think those are going to be lean years in Denver.


San Diego is paying for overinvesting in luxury positions. In 2006 most people would have agreed that their offensive and defensive lines were among the best in the league and they won 14 games. Since then they havenít added any players to those groups and they are paying for it. They are clearly no longer elite units, and the depth on both fronts is disgusting. The cause is obvious. Last year they spent their first two picks on a nickel cornerback and what they thought would be a third running back. The year before it was a wide receiver and a safety. They need an infusion of talent in the trenches. Their draft this year should be beef, beef, and beef. They need to spent at least three of their first four draft picks on linemen and also look into signing someone like Vonnie Holliday if they want to compete with more physical teams like Pittsburgh, Baltimore, and Tennessee. Until they address it, those teams are clearly a cut above. Their offense was more impressive last year than most people realize. Despite their run game falling into the abyss, **** pass protection, and adjusting to a new ACL Phillip Rivers lead the offense to the second most points in the NFL and the third highest 3rd down conversion %. He is the guy to build around. They need to beef up the line and Norv needs to be more willing to shake up the running back situation if things arenít working.


In the end, I say San Diego wins 10 games, KC 8, Denver 5, and Oakland 4. And San Diego wins the Superbowl. :clown:


Iíd like to hear what you all think. Please try and keep it objective and productive and not turn it into my team is better than your team type thing.

Clearly, SD is the best team in the AFCW. Their window to win the SB is closing and LT knows this. But, they are still loaded with talent, even before this coming draft. SD always seems to get players I want the Broncos to get (Vincent Jackson still torqs me off). AJ Smith knows how to find talent.

Chuggers: 12-4 Home Field advantage for playoffs

Now, for the rest of the West:

The real wild card team is Oakland. Last year I predicted they'd finish dead last in the AFCW, while others here thought KC was the worst team. Well, KC managed to suck a little more than Oakland, but not much more. I guess you can say, Oakland sucked, while KC swallowed.

That being said, if Oakland comes together in an "us against the world" type of team attitude, they have the talent to win. Jemarcus Russell is still an unknown right now, but if Oakland improves their oline protection, they already have a good running game. Oakland's defense is not in dire condition. Although it's nothing special, the defense does not give games away. In the end, this could be the second best team in the AFCW

Oakland: 9-7 Wild Card contenders.

I'm not giving up on the Broncos for this coming season. The NFL is all about turning around quickly, witness the 2008 Atlanta Falcons and Miami Dolphins. Both teams have rookie coaches. To claim the Broncos have no shot is just wrong. If the defense becomes mediocre but stable, then they go from 30th to 15th under Nolan. That is huge. The new offense will struggle with the new system, but in reality, Orton is just as capable of being successful in this Spread Offense as Cutler. Plus, he's got great protection and great weapons. If the Broncos can get a consistent running game going then I see points being scored.

Broncos: 8-8 another mediocre season, but lots of upside.

As for KC, they have been drafting well. King Carl made his pay with the last two drafts, now Pioli gets to mold these kids around a new HC and QB. I think if KC drafts Curry with the #3 pick, they immediately have a defense with an attitude. KC always has good defenses (for the most part) and I don't see that changing. On offense, Cassel is the $14m man. Is he the real deal? Pioli will give him one year to prove he is a ligit starting NFL QB. Young offensive line has to come together. If it does, then I see good improvement.

KC: 8-8 On the way up, young and improving.

Of course, all this means nothing if the teams have major injuries. For example, if Cassel goes down in the first few games with an injury, will this put the team into a spin? If Rivers goes down with an injury, will SD still steam roll the AFCW?

snowspot66
04-06-2009, 09:23 AM
Wow. Way too much credit for everybody there. Rough schedule all around and each team with severe talent deficiencies in key areas.

SD will get 10 wins AT MOST. God help them if they start out slow like they have the past three years. Soft lines will be their downfall.

We'll probably pull out 7 or 8. Our defense can't possibly be worse and our offense doesn't have to do much to improve on it's PPG stat. We put up the yards but were less than impressive on points. We won with Plummer we can win with Orton. We just need other players.

KC will up it to 6 or so. I don't think Cassel can do it without McDaniels and the Pats offensive talent.

Oakland will try it's best but fail to beat the Lions 0-16 mark. I think they get 2 or 3 wins. They just suck.

boltaneer
04-06-2009, 09:25 AM
My take....

SD: Should be improved over their inconsistencies last year with Merriman back, which will help improve the play of the entire defense, but Olshansky was a solid contributor that they've now lost and their CBs got exposed quite a bit yesterday. It'll take more than just one great pass rusher to cover up those problems. On offense they'll continue to be a good team, but they need to get finding better weapons for Rivers since LT is showing his age, Gates' being injured is turning into an annual thing, and Chambers, Jackson, etc. all look like at best a solid #2..

Regarding San Diego's defense last year, their corners did not get exposed. Jammer once again played at a very high level. Cason was very impressive all year long for a rookie. Cromartie was the turd out there. Was it really the hip injury he played with all year or was he exposed as overrated from his incredible performance from 2007?

Losing Igor isn't a big deal because he might as well have wearing a red QB practice jersey for all of last year. The dude played like he didn't want to hit or get hit by anyone. I don't think his replacement will be a downgrade but if they fail to address it properly it will remain an issue.

If there was anyone exposed on the defense it was Shaun Phillips. He looked very mediocre out there with Merriman out. But the two compliment each other so well when they're both out there. Jyles Tucker had flashes here and there but still has a long way to go to be a real starter but he's a decent backup. Even though I expect the pass rush to be back in full force this season, I desperately want to see them draft a pass rusher with their first or second pick.

If Matt Wilhelm is playing on special teams next season then we've already upgraded at the ILB spot, no matter who is replacing him (Burnett/Dobbins/Siler). 8')

iforgotmypassword
04-06-2009, 10:57 AM
good thread......

Ill start with denver and try not to be too biased

I'm more and more excited about this team every day, how well was jake plummer looked at before he came here? Orton has a bad rap, but alot of that comes because he came from a very very very conservative offense with little to no weapons..... he's a leader and will be willings to be coached, and thats what mickey D does, coach QB's

The rest of the offense is one of the best in the leuge, nobodys mentioned the addition of Gafney, which I beleive will help our offense more than just his performance, he'll help our already talented recievers adjust and excel in the new offense, another thing to note is that both our tackles are coming off thier first full years as starters, they were already very very good but I believe will be much better. The runningbacks are there.... no superstars but they're there..... bring on a well balanced well coached offense that may not be number two in yards but can build a lead, maintain a lead, work the clock, or come from behind.

As for Defense, let's look at things that will automatically make our D better....
-New attitude, last season ending was a woderfun thing for our D... New season, whole new attitude
-What I just mentioned about the offense.... does anybody think that when we launch it up 200 times a game on offense the defense will probably let up more points and yards?
-Not just offense but Special Teams, we have our rookies from last year that are ST studs, and we will have more Linebacker bodies on the team to play ST's.... almost all 3-4 teams are better at specail teams and the reason comes down to Linebacker built players
-Mike Nolan, this guy has built some of the best defenses of this era, and whether or not he does ****ty in philosophy this year, Mike Nolan makes Linebackers better. check anywhere he has gone and any linebacker he has coached.
-Injuries.... we'll be full force once again and I'd be damned if we have the injury bug hit half as hard as last year
-Brian Dawkins, Andra Davis, Hill, Goodman, Feilds, Reid, 5 draft picks in first 3 rounds.....That is an infusion of talent and if nothing else new blood, and most important out of that leaders and experience youth is great, but you need some experience out there as you can tell from tons of our collapses last season
-Champ, DJ, Marcus Thomas, Woodyard, Moss, Doom, Larsen, Peterson, that other kinda ****ty Bailey..... We have some talent here, now let's coach that talent and see what these boys can do

Alright maybe i'll just end with that i'm gettin sick of typing

Bolts, little worse, Merriman could help all even this out

Chiefs, Vastly improved, could be the Dolphins of last year, AFC WEST break out player of the year, David Bowe

Raiders = Al Davis

400HZ
04-06-2009, 01:17 PM
A lot of people see the Chargers declining this year. I definitely see the potential there, but I think the same reasons that people are listing as reasons for that decline are issues that San Diego also dealt with last year. LT's decline, well if he ends up performing any worse than he did last year then he will be on the bench and the team will move on with Sproles and Hester. Norv doesn't have the balls to do it, but AJ and Spanos will slap him around and make him since Sproles is making so much cash this year.

Also, the loss of Olshansky doesn't put the Chargers in a worse position than they were in last year. The only thing Igor did last year after the ball was snapped was to turn around and grab his ankles. In fact, if the Chargers address DE with their first pick like they should then there is a high probability of an upgrade at the position, and it is an important position where an upgrade would pay dividends across the entire unit.

Jamal Williams looked like he was in decline last year, but he still played at a high level when the Chargers were able to protect him. That's the key. He can't be left on the field for those ridiculous 12 minute drives. A) They need to take the steps to eliminate those drives and B) They need to put somebody behind Jamal who is good enough to be active on gamedays and contribute to the rotation. This absolutely needs to be addressed, even if it means spending a high draft pick or signing a douchebag like Tank Johnson.

Those are the two most important issues in my opinion. I don't think the Chargers defense is that far off from getting its swagger back. I saw a good looking mock today that had Everett Brown falling to #16. That would make me incredibly happy as long as steps are taken to also add to the DE spot. There is no such thing as having too many pass rushers.

Offensively I'm not that worried. It's not a well balanced unit, but for all its shortcomings it scored a ton of points last year. Better health along the offensive line (and hopefully another starter being added in the 3rd or 4th rounds) as well as better production from the RB position are factors that I think we will see this year. Marcus McNeil and Nick Hardwick looked like crap last year but they were dealing with serious injuries and have been good players in the past. Jeromey Clary needs somebody behind him pushing him or getting ready to take his spot over.

ZONA
04-06-2009, 01:34 PM
Well, their has been so much change in most of the AFC West teams and big changes at that. Throw in the tough schedule and this division as a whole is going to hurt big time again next year. If the Chargers can't win the division easy, then they should fire Norv fast.

But on the flip side, the AFC West teams will be raking in the high draft picks this year and next. Eventually, the cycle will continue and the AFC West will rise again and some other division will get weaker.

Chargers: 10-6

Everybody else could be anywhere from 4-12 to 8-8. It all depends on injuries of the team (and the teams they play) and who's new coaching and management staff proves to be the right fit.

BroncoBuff
04-06-2009, 02:03 PM
We play the NFC East this year, that's a tough chore. I'll predict:

San Diego 11-5 (Merriman back strong)
Kansas City 8-8
Denver 7-9 (new coach, new QB, new offense, new defense)
Oakland 5-11

Gcver2ver3
04-06-2009, 02:25 PM
you guys are crazy...

i'm about to sound like a homer, but oh well...

the Broncos will win the AFC West...

all we need is a good draft and it'll happen....

1st off, SD is declining...LT is old, o-line and d-line crumbling...Merriman off roids will be ineffective...Rivers can't carry the team alone and he'll press...

Cassell will suck without Moss/Welker/McDaniels/Pats-oline...

Raiders = garbage...

now...about this tough schedule of ours...1st off, all of our division will play a similar schedule...2ndly, the NFC East is overrated...the Skins don't scare me...Eli and w/o plax doesn't scare me...Dallas w/o TO and overrated Romo don't scare me...The eagles do scare me, but thats just one team...

Pittsburgh & NE will be tough for sure, hopefuly having the Pat's o-coordinator will give us an edge there (against the Pats)...Colts will be tough, but their D can be had...there are other teams to mention but you get my drift...

you may not agree, but i believe our offense will be strong with Orton and our D will be greatly improved...the AFC West is weak so we'll win our division by two games...

broncofan7
04-06-2009, 02:47 PM
With the trade of Cutler, SD's window was re-openned for probably two or three more seasons instead of one. The 2009 season will be a boon for Taco as he will experience a record amount of traffic on this site following each painful loss next year with posters from the anti-McD crowd foaming with each key stroke. Sd is clearly the class of the division and I see them going 11-5. KC will take 2nd with a 7-9 record including a very strong finish to the season with their youthful talent and Cassel meshing well and we will go 5-11 with Jokeland tying us @ 5-11. The calls for McD's head will be harsh, pronounced and lengthy.

Gcver2ver3
04-06-2009, 02:54 PM
Sd is clearly the class of the division and I see them going 11-5.

why?...

they went 8-8 last season with what appears to have been an easier schedule...

i don't see them as better this year than last...i know they get Merriman back but i don't expect him to be the force he was pre-injury...

Norv Turner is a garbage coach and LT has lost a step...why does SD all of a sudden go 11-5?...

bpc
04-06-2009, 02:59 PM
I think SD around 10 wins sounds about right. I think Oakland, KC and Denver will all toil around 5 wins and top 10 draft picks.

AFC West will probably be the worst division in the league next year.

orangeatheist
04-06-2009, 04:08 PM
AFC West will probably be the worst division in the league next year.

Boiling out all the details of probable win/loss records and who will be ranked where in the division, I think this is the safest prediction of all.

TheChamp24
04-06-2009, 07:53 PM
San Diego I think if things go their way, can go 11-5, but 9-7 is more likely to me.
Denver I see topping out at 8-8 this year, with 7-9/6-10 more likely.
Kansas City, they have "potential" but lets see them actually win some games. I think they can top out at 8-8 as well, with 7-9/6-10 more likely.
Oakland I see being the same ole, same ole. top out at 7-9, most likely 5-11.

Remember, this is a really touch schedule for everybody, so knock down some wins for teams.