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elsid13
04-04-2009, 06:32 AM
Now that trade has been made and Denver will have new starting quarterback this season there is one linger larger question out there. Will either Simms or Orton be able to live up to or handle the pressure of the legend of #7? It has been ten years since his retirement and still Elway’s shadow lies over quarterback position as lens we the fan base view his play. Yesterday, Cutler at his press conference stated that Denver was/is Elway’s town and that it hard standard to live up to.

Look at what the legend has done to the quarterbacks that have been here

- Cutler blasted by the fan base because he stated he has stronger arm then Elway. If he had said then Favre it would have been non story.

- Plummer ridiculed because couldn’t lead the fourth quarter comebacks like Elway or win the games by himself.

- Brian Griese – not the team leader that Elway was.

Do you think McDaniels understand what it means to the be the QB of the Denver Broncos?

dsmoot
04-04-2009, 09:11 AM
Now that trade has been made and Denver will have new starting quarterback this season there is one linger larger question out there. Will either Simms or Orton be able to live up to or handle the pressure of the legend of #7? It has been ten years since his retirement and still Elway’s shadow lies over quarterback position as lens we the fan base view his play. Yesterday, Cutler at his press conference stated that Denver was/is Elway’s town and that it hard standard to live up to.

Look at what the legend has done to the quarterbacks that have been here

- Cutler blasted by the fan base because he stated he has stronger arm then Elway. If he had said then Favre it would have been non story.r
- Plummer ridiculed because couldn’t lead the fourth quarter comebacks like Elway or win the games by himself.

- Brian Griese – not the team leader that Elway was.

Do you think McDaniels understand what it means to the be the QB of the Denver Broncos?

Great players rise to the challenge regardless of who they follow - they don't readily acknowledge the ghosts of the past. Ask Steve Young. Ask Troy Aikman who came to work in Staubach's shadow, who is revered in Big D as much as Elway in Denver. Bert Jones did well in Baltimore following Unitas until he was hurt. It is you and I who make a big deal about these types of things. People lose perspective that a true franchise QB comes along only once in a generation if you are that lucky.

spdirty
04-04-2009, 09:31 AM
The whole Cutler situation basically put an end to the "pressure of 7."

Orton/Simms will not get compared to Elway because they dont have anything close to the physical tools Elway had, whereas Cutler had the tools that were pretty damn close physically.

Nope, now its gonna be Orton vs. Cutler. Or Simms vs. Cutler. Or whoever the **** is playing quarterback for us vs. Cutler for as long as Cutler is a Bear.

I'll do it, you will do it, and anyone out there who paid any attention to this Soap Opera will do it, which will throw the 7 stuff out the window.

And I think it will be a fair deal. Orton with the "QB friendly system" and better weapons around him vs Cutler with not such good (except Forte) weapons, a "not so friendly QB system," BUT much better talent than Orton.

We all will do it, every single week of the season for several seasons until we all get bored with it. It will be unavoidable, and if Cutler kicks ass over there its gonna be hell for Orton unless he matches him. Just the way it is.

But the pressure of 7 is over.

Archer81
04-04-2009, 09:45 AM
I have a feeling we are not done stockpiling QBs.


:Broncos:

spdirty
04-04-2009, 09:48 AM
I have a feeling we are not done stockpiling QBs.


:Broncos:

Id prefer we wait a year before drafting anyone. Just hope they find the right guy.

elsid13
04-04-2009, 09:51 AM
Id prefer we wait a year before drafting anyone. Just hope they find the right guy.

Waiting a year might put Denver further behind in reaching the playoffs. At this point I would rather draft a QB this season, and let him learn the NFL. If Orton or Simms works out then it trade issue. If they don't then we have QB in the wings to take over.

AlienBronco
04-04-2009, 09:59 AM
The whole Cutler situation basically put an end to the "pressure of 7."

Orton/Simms will not get compared to Elway because they dont have anything close to the physical tools Elway had, whereas Cutler had the tools that were pretty damn close physically.

Nope, now its gonna be Orton vs. Cutler. Or Simms vs. Cutler. Or whoever the **** is playing quarterback for us vs. Cutler for as long as Cutler is a Bear.

I'll do it, you will do it, and anyone out there who paid any attention to this Soap Opera will do it, which will throw the 7 stuff out the window.

And I think it will be a fair deal. Orton with the "QB friendly system" and better weapons around him vs Cutler with not such good (except Forte) weapons, a "not so friendly QB system," BUT much better talent than Orton.

We all will do it, every single week of the season for several seasons until we all get bored with it. It will be unavoidable, and if Cutler kicks ass over there its gonna be hell for Orton unless he matches him. Just the way it is.

But the pressure of 7 is over.

yes, maybe replaced by Shanahans ghost! IMO as unforgiving as Elways.

BroncoMan4ever
04-04-2009, 11:33 AM
The whole Cutler situation basically put an end to the "pressure of 7."

Orton/Simms will not get compared to Elway because they dont have anything close to the physical tools Elway had, whereas Cutler had the tools that were pretty damn close physically.

Nope, now its gonna be Orton vs. Cutler. Or Simms vs. Cutler. Or whoever the **** is playing quarterback for us vs. Cutler for as long as Cutler is a Bear.

I'll do it, you will do it, and anyone out there who paid any attention to this Soap Opera will do it, which will throw the 7 stuff out the window.

And I think it will be a fair deal. Orton with the "QB friendly system" and better weapons around him vs Cutler with not such good (except Forte) weapons, a "not so friendly QB system," BUT much better talent than Orton.

We all will do it, every single week of the season for several seasons until we all get bored with it. It will be unavoidable, and if Cutler kicks ass over there its gonna be hell for Orton unless he matches him. Just the way it is.

But the pressure of 7 is over.

while i agree to a point that the majority of the comparisons will be to Cutler from this point forward, the fact remains, this is still Elway's town and he will always be part of the discussion concerning Denver QBs

SouthStndJunkie
04-04-2009, 11:38 AM
The whole Cutler situation basically put an end to the "pressure of 7."

Orton/Simms will not get compared to Elway because they dont have anything close to the physical tools Elway had, whereas Cutler had the tools that were pretty damn close physically.

Nope, now its gonna be Orton vs. Cutler. Or Simms vs. Cutler. Or whoever the **** is playing quarterback for us vs. Cutler for as long as Cutler is a Bear.

I'll do it, you will do it, and anyone out there who paid any attention to this Soap Opera will do it, which will throw the 7 stuff out the window.

And I think it will be a fair deal. Orton with the "QB friendly system" and better weapons around him vs Cutler with not such good (except Forte) weapons, a "not so friendly QB system," BUT much better talent than Orton.

We all will do it, every single week of the season for several seasons until we all get bored with it. It will be unavoidable, and if Cutler kicks ass over there its gonna be hell for Orton unless he matches him. Just the way it is.

But the pressure of 7 is over.

Solid take....I agree.

lex
04-04-2009, 11:39 AM
The whole Cutler situation basically put an end to the "pressure of 7."

Orton/Simms will not get compared to Elway because they dont have anything close to the physical tools Elway had, whereas Cutler had the tools that were pretty damn close physically.

Nope, now its gonna be Orton vs. Cutler. Or Simms vs. Cutler. Or whoever the **** is playing quarterback for us vs. Cutler for as long as Cutler is a Bear.

I'll do it, you will do it, and anyone out there who paid any attention to this Soap Opera will do it, which will throw the 7 stuff out the window.

And I think it will be a fair deal. Orton with the "QB friendly system" and better weapons around him vs Cutler with not such good (except Forte) weapons, a "not so friendly QB system," BUT much better talent than Orton.

We all will do it, every single week of the season for several seasons until we all get bored with it. It will be unavoidable, and if Cutler kicks ass over there its gonna be hell for Orton unless he matches him. Just the way it is.

But the pressure of 7 is over.

This is absolutely true. Going forward people will be more apt to compare Orton/Simms (or whoever) to Cutler since the fall out was such a significant event and also because Cutler was also uber talented. Orton/Simms will be compared with who we gave up that led to them playing QB.

The one thing that wont really change is sort of the small town, small mindedness where people criticize every flaw. They did it with Elway (remember the halloween candy story?), they did it with Cutler, and it seems likely it will happen with the next guy.

spdirty
04-04-2009, 11:48 AM
They did it with Elway (remember the halloween candy story?)

LOL I remember being at trick or treatin age when that happened. I also remember calling him a "cheap bastard" when I heard about it.

Circle Orange
04-04-2009, 01:15 PM
The whole Cutler situation basically put an end to the "pressure of 7."

Orton/Simms will not get compared to Elway because they dont have anything close to the physical tools Elway had, whereas Cutler had the tools that were pretty damn close physically.

Nope, now its gonna be Orton vs. Cutler. Or Simms vs. Cutler. Or whoever the **** is playing quarterback for us vs. Cutler for as long as Cutler is a Bear.

I'll do it, you will do it, and anyone out there who paid any attention to this Soap Opera will do it, which will throw the 7 stuff out the window.

And I think it will be a fair deal. Orton with the "QB friendly system" and better weapons around him vs Cutler with not such good (except Forte) weapons, a "not so friendly QB system," BUT much better talent than Orton.

We all will do it, every single week of the season for several seasons until we all get bored with it. It will be unavoidable, and if Cutler kicks ass over there its gonna be hell for Orton unless he matches him. Just the way it is.

But the pressure of 7 is over.


They said that when Plummer took over, too. I think partly it's because of the playoff dearth of the last few years. Then Cutler was supposed to be a new era also. Shannon Sharpe even said Griese had the hardest time, directly following the deal. He said Jake had it easier because he followed "the guy who followed the guy."

As far as Cutler goes, his arm strength is reminiscent of John's, but I can say that about Jamarcus Russell, Michael Vick, Kyle Boller, Rex Grossman, Vince Young, and the Raven's qb. All I'm saying is that isn't particularly unique, nor is the ability to scramble.

Ultimately a qb wins with his head and instincts. Nor does Cutler have John's athleticsm, either. Running around doesn't mean you're athletic. Eyes in the back of his head? All people compare is arm strength and scrambling, like that's the only thing on the checklist.

Who cares about Chicago? Their offensive line doesn't compare to Denver's, nor does their receiving corps. Sweet running back, but that's Chicago. Cutler can no more just throw balls everywhere there than he could in denver and expect to win.

There is no other "Elway" and I wish people would let it go, but apparently they can't. So the search for the holy grail continues, and the franchise lumbers along. Anything and everything is still compared to John, no matter how out of context.

Another factor in all this is that the other players mentioned like Aikman share HOF status with other members of the franchise. With the Broncos having precious little to represent, it just makes the view more intense. Quarterback after quarterback in Broncoland say the same damn thing, the whole Elway deal. It won't break until someone someday comes along with the right combination of ability and brains to make it work. Provided a solid team is around. And ONLY then will the broncos be relevant again.

That's why 7 was so unique, people. If he were so easy to repeat the franchise wouldn't be going through this mess. But moving on means moving on.

Bronx33
04-04-2009, 01:20 PM
Now that trade has been made and Denver will have new starting quarterback this season there is one linger larger question out there. Will either Simms or Orton be able to live up to or handle the pressure of the legend of #7? It has been ten years since his retirement and still Elway’s shadow lies over quarterback position as lens we the fan base view his play. Yesterday, Cutler at his press conference stated that Denver was/is Elway’s town and that it hard standard to live up to.

Look at what the legend has done to the quarterbacks that have been here

- Cutler blasted by the fan base because he stated he has stronger arm then Elway. If he had said then Favre it would have been non story.

- Plummer ridiculed because couldn’t lead the fourth quarter comebacks like Elway or win the games by himself.

- Brian Griese – not the team leader that Elway was.

Do you think McDaniels understand what it means to the be the QB of the Denver Broncos?


I don't think MCD even cares about what #7 did MCD was a little kid when john was the bigshot i really doubt that is even a subject and the only time it comes up is when the press brings it up. So no i don't think it will even be an issue with out QB staff.

jayman_37
04-04-2009, 01:49 PM
Great players rise to the challenge regardless of who they follow - they don't readily acknowledge the ghosts of the past. Ask Steve Young. Ask Troy Aikman who came to work in Staubach's shadow, who is revered in Big D as much as Elway in Denver. Bert Jones did well in Baltimore following Unitas until he was hurt. It is you and I who make a big deal about these types of things. People lose perspective that a true franchise QB comes along only once in a generation if you are that lucky.

Steve Young played well, but if you think he didn't feel all that pressure then you are crazy. He even talked about taking the monkey off of his back after they won the super bowl.

WABronco
04-04-2009, 01:56 PM
They said that when Plummer took over, too. I think partly it's because of the playoff dearth of the last few years. Then Cutler was supposed to be a new era also. Shannon Sharpe even said Griese had the hardest time, directly following the deal. He said Jake had it easier because he followed "the guy who followed the guy."

As far as Cutler goes, his arm strength is reminiscent of John's, but I can say that about Jamarcus Russell, Michael Vick, Kyle Boller, Rex Grossman, Vince Young, and the Raven's qb. All I'm saying is that isn't particularly unique, nor is the ability to scramble.

Ultimately a qb wins with his head and instincts. Nor does Cutler have John's athleticsm, either. Running around doesn't mean you're athletic. Eyes in the back of his head? All people compare is arm strength and scrambling, like that's the only thing on the checklist.

Who cares about Chicago? Their offensive line doesn't compare to Denver's, nor does their receiving corps. Sweet running back, but that's Chicago. Cutler can no more just throw balls everywhere there than he could in denver and expect to win.

There is no other "Elway" and I wish people would let it go, but apparently they can't. So the search for the holy grail continues, and the franchise lumbers along. Anything and everything is still compared to John, no matter how out of context.

Another factor in all this is that the other players mentioned like Aikman share HOF status with other members of the franchise. With the Broncos having precious little to represent, it just makes the view more intense. Quarterback after quarterback in Broncoland say the same damn thing, the whole Elway deal. It won't break until someone someday comes along with the right combination of ability and brains to make it work. Provided a solid team is around. And ONLY then will the broncos be relevant again.

That's why 7 was so unique, people. If he were so easy to repeat the franchise wouldn't be going through this mess. But moving on means moving on.

Good post...agreed on your points.

chiefforlife
04-04-2009, 02:30 PM
There is a new "pressure of 7" in the AFC West, his name is ....Matt Cassel!

Bronx33
04-04-2009, 02:34 PM
There is a new "pressure of 7" in the AFC West, his name is ....Matt Cassel!


ya you keep telling yourself that sunshine the reason matt was sucessful is sitting in denver.

chiefforlife
04-04-2009, 02:47 PM
ya you keep telling yourself that sunshine the reason matt was sucessful is sitting in denver.

Yeah, he has greatly improved your team already...

I am excited to have Cassel wear #7, it has great tradition and the Chiefs need a Legendary #7.

I am a Chief fan who has Nothing but respect and admiration for Mr. Elway.

Bronx33
04-04-2009, 02:49 PM
Yeah, he has greatly improved your team already...

I am excited to have Cassel wear #7, it has great tradition and the Chiefs need a Legendary #7.

I am a Chief fan who has Nothing but respect and admiration for Mr. Elway.


great now go home.

Elway148
04-04-2009, 02:50 PM
The whole Cutler situation basically put an end to the "pressure of 7."

Orton/Simms will not get compared to Elway because they dont have anything close to the physical tools Elway had, whereas Cutler had the tools that were pretty damn close physically.



Yeah. Neither of these guys are going to be expected to be the next John Elway. No one expects that level of play from them, so I don't think they'll be feeling that pressure.

I don't think the pressure of #7 is forever gone though. I think the next highly touted QB who comes to Denver will get it.

It's going to brought up as, "is this guy finally the answer to the QB problems the Broncos have had since Elway retired."

extralife
04-04-2009, 02:57 PM
I maintain that this is the hardest city to play QB in, and it ain't even close. Nothing is going to satisfy people here out of that position. Elway himself wouldn't even be able to do it.

lazarus4444
04-04-2009, 02:58 PM
Orton has virtually no pressure on him because of the circumstances in which he became a Bronco. All the pressure is on cutler and odds are he will cave into the pressure and fail. Unless he surprsies everybody, including himself, and mans up and starts playing smart football and being a leader. Not likely to happen but you never know. Anyways, there is no Elway pressure on simms or orton.

gunns
04-04-2009, 03:10 PM
The whole Cutler situation basically put an end to the "pressure of 7."

Orton/Simms will not get compared to Elway because they dont have anything close to the physical tools Elway had, whereas Cutler had the tools that were pretty damn close physically.

Nope, now its gonna be Orton vs. Cutler. Or Simms vs. Cutler. Or whoever the **** is playing quarterback for us vs. Cutler for as long as Cutler is a Bear.

I'll do it, you will do it, and anyone out there who paid any attention to this Soap Opera will do it, which will throw the 7 stuff out the window.

And I think it will be a fair deal. Orton with the "QB friendly system" and better weapons around him vs Cutler with not such good (except Forte) weapons, a "not so friendly QB system," BUT much better talent than Orton.

We all will do it, every single week of the season for several seasons until we all get bored with it. It will be unavoidable, and if Cutler kicks ass over there its gonna be hell for Orton unless he matches him. Just the way it is.

But the pressure of 7 is over.

The whole thing, with me anyway, is I want to feel confident when that QB comes on the field the way I did with Elway. I almost felt that way in the one season with Griese, but it was so short lived. I still did not feel it when Cutler came on the field. No, I'm one that does not believe we need a franchise QB anymore, there will never be another Elway, but I do want one that I'm not going to cringe when he walks on the field. For me it will always be, does he give me the confidence he'll get the job done, and that will always be compared to Elway.

Circle Orange
04-04-2009, 06:24 PM
great now go home.

LOL, I love bad tempered people.


I had no idea Cassell is wearing 7...it's the flavor of the league now. Did he admire the original 7, too?

Circle Orange
04-04-2009, 06:27 PM
Yeah. Neither of these guys are going to be expected to be the next John Elway. No one expects that level of play from them, so I don't think they'll be feeling that pressure.

I don't think the pressure of #7 is forever gone though. I think the next highly touted QB who comes to Denver will get it.

It's going to brought up as, "is this guy finally the answer to the QB problems the Broncos have had since Elway retired."

You know, fate's a funny thing...the guy who succeeds in denver may ultimately be one that no one expects to succeed. That often happens.

Brett Favre was a backup in Atlanta with drinking and drug issues.
Steve Young struggled to nowhere with the Bucks. Just a 'running fool.'

How careers wind up is impossible to predict.

extralife
04-04-2009, 06:31 PM
Steve Young struggled to nowhere with the Bucks. Just a 'running fool.'

People knew what Steve Young was all about. There were high expectations for him.

barryr
04-04-2009, 06:37 PM
You don't draft a QB just to draft a QB. If you don't see one you like, you don't take one to just please fans who want to bitch about the next thing you do or don't do. The Broncos may draft a QB late in the draft, but I'll be surprised to see then take one before round 5.

As long as Orton can manage the game and make the throws needed in McDaniels' system, there won't be a huge need for aQB anyway. Howabout people wait to see how Orton performs before stating he can't do it and putting Cutler in the HOF.

elsid13
04-04-2009, 06:41 PM
You don't draft a QB just to draft a QB. If you don't see one you like, you don't take one to just please fans who want to b**** about the next thing you do or don't do. The Broncos may draft a QB late in the draft, but I'll be surprised to see then take one before round 5.

As long as Orton can manage the game and make the throws needed in McDaniels' system, there won't be a huge need for aQB anyway. Howabout people wait to see how Orton performs before stating he can't do it and putting Cutler in the HOF.

This isn't about Cutler. It about the pressure any QB in Denver has because of Elway. To think that has change is unrealistic. Do you think McDaniels understand that pressure? I bet he doesn't because his former employer never felt that pressure. Boston/Massachusetts is about Red Sox first and foremost and with Celtics behind. The Pats are distant third.

gyldenlove
04-04-2009, 07:11 PM
The pressure of number 7 is still there, just because Orton and Simms will be compared to Cutler first doesn't mean they won't be compared to Elway second.

Imagine this, Orton plays all season, we go 7-9, his stat line is something to the effect of 3500 yards and 22 TDs. The obvious conclusion would be that the extra 1000 yards Cutler could have put up would have won us a game or two.

Now imagine this, Orton plays all season, we go 11-5, about same stat line, we make the playoffs and we lose in round 1. The obvious conclusion is that Orton is not good enough when it counts and if we had someone with Elways leadership we would have won.

I think the yardstick for whoever plays QB for us in 2010 will be can they be better than Cutler, and if so, are they better than Elway. A couple of years down the road Cutler will disappear as a yardstick unless he goes on to have a lot of success in Chicago, but Elway will always be there. Until someone comes in and picks up that Lombardi trophy with Bowlen taking a big swig of Johnny Black in the background, this is still Elways town.

Rock Chalk
04-04-2009, 07:24 PM
I don't think MCD even cares about what #7 did MCD was a little kid when john was the bigshot i really doubt that is even a subject and the only time it comes up is when the press brings it up. So no i don't think it will even be an issue with out QB staff.

Little kid? No.
McD is young but I was not a little kid when John was a "big shot". Im 5 days older than McKid.

I was certainly old enough to remember John and Joe and Dan and Troy and Boomer and Phil and Jim and even Fouts towards the latter part of his career. McKid, if he is as big a football nerd as they say, surely would have been watching and learning as long as I have.

John's big shot days started in the late 80s but really came to fruiting in the 90ds. That would have put McKid in teh teenager range.

extralife
04-04-2009, 07:40 PM
I doubt McD gives a **** about Elway one way or the other. That's mostly a good thing. But he will have to realize that most people around here do care about Elway, and that has consequences for the QB and HC in this town.

Circle Orange
04-04-2009, 09:19 PM
This could be a good starting point for a regular season poll...

When will we first read/hear about an Elway reference or comparison? (i.e. pressure, shadow, legend, arm, etc. etc.)

Personally, I think the local writers will crank this up in the preseason.

lex
04-04-2009, 09:31 PM
I doubt McD gives a **** about Elway one way or the other. That's mostly a good thing. But he will have to realize that most people around here do care about Elway, and that has consequences for the QB and HC in this town.


I kind of got that impression when I listend to that 104.3 interview with Alfred Williams. Alfred made reference to playing with Elway the Great and McDaniels said that he worked with some really good QBs in New England too. It was a little awkward because you had the sense that he believes Brady is the best gold standard of QBs and he's also probably not as familiar with Elway or doesnt have the same connection as he does with Brady since he worked with Brady.

Bowlen really should put a statue of Elway out infront of the stadium similar to what the Bulls did with the statue of Jordan outside of the United Center. They should put a statue there just so everyone knows how revered he is and what kind of a legacy he left. And then they should put a statue of him downtown.

dsmoot
04-04-2009, 10:38 PM
Steve Young played well, but if you think he didn't feel all that pressure then you are crazy. He even talked about taking the monkey off of his back after they won the super bowl.

I didn't say he did not feel the pressure. The great ones rise to the challenge without wilting. They feed off the pressure and relish the moment, take their focus to the next level and perform better. Tiger Woods, Michael Jordon, Unitas, Nicklaus, Clemente, Elway in the 4th Quarter. There is a common thread here. All of these guys played their best with the game on the line, when the pressure was the greatest. Somehow, they were able to make the moment slow down for them when others couldn't.

baja
04-04-2009, 10:53 PM
I didn't say he did not feel the pressure. The great ones rise to the challenge without wilting. They feed off the pressure and relish the moment, take their focus to the next level and perform better. Tiger Woods, Michael Jordon, Unitas, Nicklaus, Clemente, Elway in the 4th Quarter. There is a common thread here. All of these guys played their best with the game on the line, when the pressure was the greatest. Somehow, they were able to make the moment slow down for them when others couldn't.

I love this post, I think it is the core issue with Jay Cutler.

Does he have "IT"

If he does we blew it

If he doesn't we hit a home run. (Gotta hit on the picks though)

Circle Orange
04-04-2009, 11:39 PM
I kind of got that impression when I listend to that 104.3 interview with Alfred Williams. Alfred made reference to playing with Elway the Great and McDaniels said that he worked with some really good QBs in New England too. It was a little awkward because you had the sense that he believes Brady is the best gold standard of QBs and he's also probably not as familiar with Elway or doesnt have the same connection as he does with Brady since he worked with Brady.

Bowlen really should put a statue of Elway out infront of the stadium similar to what the Bulls did with the statue of Jordan outside of the United Center. They should put a statue there just so everyone knows how revered he is and what kind of a legacy he left. And then they should put a statue of him downtown.

Hey, I can dig it...the broncos can make this like a SWORD IN THE STONE deal. Make a statue of Elway with a sword and have quarterbacks from all over the NFL try to pull the sword out. The first one that does it is THE ONE that will lead the franchise to future glory. :sunshine:

Maybe McDaniels is trying to take pressure off the team by not focusing so much on John. But he best beware dancing a tightrope of blasphemy. If not, toads will rain on his house and the curse will continue.

Killericon
04-05-2009, 09:36 AM
Forget the shadow of #7, they need to live in the shadow of #6.

Circle Orange
04-05-2009, 09:52 AM
Forget the shadow of #7, they need to live in the shadow of #6.

Yeah, Bubby Brister was wicked. And he could throw 70 yards and run, too. ;D

Killericon
04-05-2009, 10:15 AM
Yeah, Bubby Brister was wicked. And he could throw 70 yards and run, too. ;D

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/magazine/new/bubby_brister.jpg

He looms large.