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lex
04-03-2009, 04:45 PM
Just saw it on NFLN.

Killericon
04-03-2009, 04:54 PM
Was.

Punisher
04-03-2009, 04:54 PM
Shanny was getting good at the draft he last few years its too bad that he wanted to keep Slowdick

Anaximines
04-03-2009, 05:00 PM
thank goodness we got rid of the Goodmans!

SonOfLe-loLang
04-03-2009, 05:04 PM
Imagine how diff the NFL would look right now had Dwayne Bowe held on to that onside kick

telluride
04-03-2009, 05:09 PM
Followed by the disaster of 2007. It's all relative. And even giving credit for 2006, that's only one class out of the previous 10. Let's not go pretending that Shanny et al suddenly got the hang of things.

SonOfLe-loLang
04-03-2009, 05:10 PM
Its all cuz of Hixon

frerottenextelway
04-03-2009, 05:31 PM
Followed by the disaster of 2007. It's all relative. And even giving credit for 2006, that's only one class out of the previous 10. Let's not go pretending that Shanny et al suddenly got the hang of things.

Man, I thought the only guy from 2007 that would be a bust would be Harris. I nailed that. Still combined, our '06 to '08 drafts have been awesome, you're always going to have some busts. Usually 50% or more of the 1st round are busts and even more every round after.

bpc
04-03-2009, 05:38 PM
... and it was totally thrashed within three months of the season ending.

Gotta love Pat Bowlen. THANKS PAT!

lex
04-03-2009, 05:39 PM
Man, I thought the only guy from 2007 that would be a bust would be Harris. I nailed that. Still combined, our '06 to '08 drafts have been awesome, you're always going to have some busts. Usually 50% or more of the 1st round are busts and even more every round after.

Yeah, we got an A for the past 5 years mainly because of the 06 and 08 drafts.

Drek
04-03-2009, 05:47 PM
Shanny was getting good at the draft he last few years its too bad that he wanted to keep Slowdick

No, he just finally started to realize that the draft requires you to...

1. listen to your scouts

2. determine value for players and don't take a 4th round prospect in the early 2nd just because you really like him.

There is a reason why Jim Goodman gaining more say in the organization lead to good drafts. However, I think we can take Bowlen at his word that Jim was a father first, VP of football operations second, so asking him to chose between staying with the Broncos after Jeff was fired or giving up his salary was an unfair proposition. By letting him go he enabled Jim to keep his salary and not have to make that tough decision. It was a class move on Bowlen's part.

As for Jeff Goodman, its been stated quite clearly that the reason he was passed over for Xanders as the GM was because the scouting staff as a whole couldn't stand him. The fact that it was apparently known within the organization that he wouldn't tolerate working under Xanders only corroborates that and painted the Broncos into a corner more. Do you pick the guy who is obviously more qualified, that most of your staff likes, or the guy who's dad is a very good VP of football Ops and that the rest of the organization doesn't like?

You can't have an organization built on nepotism and still preach a team first, open competition mindset.

And before someone mentions McDaniels' brother working for the Broncos, he's about as far down on the totem pole as it gets and is by all accounts pretty qualified to set out all the little cups of gatorade for the players during practice.

lostknight
04-03-2009, 05:58 PM
No, he just finally started to realize that the draft requires you to...
There is a reason why Jim Goodman gaining more say in the organization lead to good drafts. However, I think we can take Bowlen at his word that Jim was a father first, VP of football operations second, so asking him to chose between staying with the Broncos after Jeff was fired or giving up his salary was an unfair proposition. By letting him go he enabled Jim to keep his salary and not have to make that tough decision. It was a class move on Bowlen's part.

As for Jeff Goodman, its been stated quite clearly that the reason he was passed over for Xanders as the GM was because the scouting staff as a whole couldn't stand him. The fact that it was apparently known within the organization that he wouldn't tolerate working under Xanders only corroborates that and painted the Broncos into a corner more. Do you pick the guy who is obviously more qualified, that most of your staff likes, or the guy who's dad is a very good VP of football Ops and that the rest of the organization doesn't like?


This constant innuendo crap is sickening. Show me a single article that backs up your claim, or a single document that bears out your point. It's really getting old, and has personal effects on real people. It's a **** tactic.

The Goodman's got fired because they didn't agree with McDaniels. A lot like a certain former QB of ours. And they will not be the last. Bowlen has decided that McDaniel's gets his way. That's his perogative, but let's not cast metaphorical stones just because Dove Valley tells us too.

Drek
04-03-2009, 06:28 PM
This constant innuendo crap is sickening. Show me a single article that backs up your claim, or a single document that bears out your point. It's really getting old, and has personal effects on real people. It's a **** tactic.

The Goodman's got fired because they didn't agree with McDaniels. A lot like a certain former QB of ours. And they will not be the last. Bowlen has decided that McDaniel's gets his way. That's his perogative, but let's not cast metaphorical stones just because Dove Valley tells us too.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=77151&highlight=Jim+Goodman

Check out the OP from CMHargrove. It doesn't take a lot of reading between the lines to know what Bowlen is really saying in his comments. Xanders and Jeff Goodman didn't get along. Jim Goodman has made it public knowledge that he didn't even want a GM position, so it was just between the two assistants. Bowlen obviously considered Xanders the more qualified, capable GM of the two.

He's even said the only reason Jim Goodman was let go was because he didn't want to put him in the tough position of choosing to stay without his son, or be forced to resign.

The FO turnover has some pretty solid comments behind what few inferences were even extrapolated from it. Not remotely similar to the people who assume that the Broncos actually shopped and lied to Jay about trying to trade him, which has no smoking gun to be found yet about half this board keeps referring to McDaniels as a liar.

extralife
04-03-2009, 06:47 PM
Bowlen is the liar--he has backed out of everything he has said in the last four months. Everything.

Karenin
04-03-2009, 06:50 PM
Imagine how diff the NFL would look right now had Dwayne Bowe held on to that onside kick

It would look the same. The Broncos getting plastered in the first round would have led to the exact same thing.

extralife
04-03-2009, 06:52 PM
It would look the same. The Broncos getting plastered in the first round would have led to the exact same thing.

Do you actually believe that?

Karenin
04-03-2009, 07:40 PM
Bowlen is the liar--he has backed out of everything he has said in the last four months. Everything.

Do you actually believe that?
.

extralife
04-03-2009, 07:45 PM
Well, lets take a look: he has said "Jay is the man around here," he promised Jay that the offensive coaching staff would remain intact, he said Goodman was entrenched as his GM, and he said he wanted a separation of powers between the coach and personnel departments. Of those statements, which is still the case? Please enlighten me.

Karenin
04-03-2009, 08:33 PM
Wow, that's everything he said in the past 4 months? Must be hard to go 120 days with only saying three sentences.

Karenin
04-03-2009, 08:34 PM
Also, please provide links to direct quotes from Bowlen saying any of those things. What you implied from what he said is not the same as what he actually said.

SonOfLe-loLang
04-03-2009, 09:00 PM
Well, lets take a look: he has said "Jay is the man around here," he promised Jay that the offensive coaching staff would remain intact, he said Goodman was entrenched as his GM, and he said he wanted a separation of powers between the coach and personnel departments. Of those statements, which is still the case? Please enlighten me.

Youre a moron. The first quote was in response, if i recall, about informing him of the shanahan firing...not about a lifetime contract. 2) He said he'd like to keep the offensive staff in tact, he didnt guarentee that. 3) Goodman was kind of the GM with Xanders around. 4) We do have a separation of power between coach and personnel depts. Plus i think its retarded to keep the coach completely in the dark about personnel. HES THE ONE RUNNING THE TEAM he should naturally have a HUGE say in what players he gets.

Br0nc0Buster
04-03-2009, 09:04 PM
Yes our 06 draft was phenomenal.
Our 08 draft was great to

If we can make good use of our picks this draft and the next, we will be sitting pretty.