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bronclvr
04-03-2009, 12:37 PM
Yes, it's a blog, but aqnother perspective-

The Bears mortgaged part of their future to get Jay Cutler, but the Broncos will suffer very little in the short term with Kyle Orton as their new quarterback. In fact, if Orton wins the starting job which isn't a certainty -- he'll throw more touchdowns than Cutler in 2009.

While throwing more touchdown passes wouldn't mean Orton is better, you'd still think if a team gives up two first-round picks for a QB, they'd at least get more points out of him. Here are five reasons Orton could out-score Cutler:

1. Receiving Corps: The Broncos' Brandon Marshall is a bona fide No. 1 receiver. Like Terrell Owens, Marshall is the kind of target that helps any quarterback bolster his stats. And the speedy Eddie Royal is the perfect No. 2 guy. The Bears need to do something to improve in this area. Cutler will have a hard time getting the ball to wideouts Rashied Davis, Earl Bennett and Devin Hester consistently.

2. Offensive line: The Broncos kept Cutler's jersey very clean all last season (11 sacks all season), whereas Bears' QBs had little time in the pocket last season. Chicago added Orlando Pace, but there's a lot of risk with the injury-laden 33-year-old left tackle, and overall the Bears still aren't strong up front.

3. Defense: The Broncos didn't do enough to fix their sieve-like defenses, and Orton could be racking up numbers from a couple touchdowns behind all season. Even though the Bears' defense has lost a little of its ferocity, coach Lovie Smith wants to play ball control offense and win with stout D.

4. Josh McDaniels The offensive wunderkind didn't seem to have any interest in running the ball in New England. And he has no one to run the ball in Denver anyway. McDaniles should go to the air as much as he did with the Patriots the last two seasons. Meanwhile, the Bears will try to establish running back Matt Forte as one their primary offensive weapons.

5. Orton is underrated: Orton looked very good until he hurt his ankle last season in Chicago. He may not have Cutler's arm strength, but he has a stronger arm than Matt Cassel, who looked pretty good in McDaniels' offense. Orton probably just gets a bad wrap for having playing in the QB vortex that is Chicago.

Let me know what you think. If I'm wrong, don't hesitate to let me know this Fall.

http://www.fannation.com/si_blogs/huddle_up/posts/60521-kyle-orton-will-throw-more-touchdowns-than-jay-cutler

broncosteven
04-03-2009, 12:51 PM
I like Orton but he never threw more than 18 Tds in a season

He threw for under 3k yards last season and only has 5319 total career yards Cutler had most of that last year.

Cutler has gone well over 3K twice in 3 years

Cutler has thrown 53 Tds to 37 Ints

Orton has thrown 30 Td's to 27 INTS.

I still think Orton is a good fit for this team in rebuild mode but he is far from being a record breaking QB in any system.

At least Orton has Moxie and Bronco fans love Moxie from their QB's.

Bronx33
04-03-2009, 12:57 PM
I like Orton but he never threw more than 18 Tds in a season

He threw for under 3k yards last season and only has 5319 total career yards Cutler had most of that last year.

Cutler has gone well over 3K twice in 3 years

Cutler has thrown 53 Tds to 37 Ints

Orton has thrown 30 Td's to 27 INTS.

I still think Orton is a good fit for this team in rebuild mode but he is far from being a record breaking QB in any system.

At least Orton has Moxie and Bronco fans love Moxie from their QB's.


Orton has a full cast of recievers now in fact he has jays recievers :spit: if jay is going to even come close to doing good or as well as he did in denver they better get him some recievers or it's going to be one rough season for Da Bears.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
04-03-2009, 12:58 PM
I like Orton but he never threw more than 18 Tds in a season

He threw for under 3k yards last season and only has 5319 total career yards Cutler had most of that last year.

Cutler has gone well over 3K twice in 3 years

Cutler has thrown 53 Tds to 37 Ints

Orton has thrown 30 Td's to 27 INTS.

I still think Orton is a good fit for this team in rebuild mode but he is far from being a record breaking QB in any system.

At least Orton has Moxie and Bronco fans love Moxie from their QB's.

I prefer my quarterback to have Bosco.

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Don't know why the hell that's relevant. Just popped into my head when you wrote "moxie."

epicSocialism4tw
04-03-2009, 01:02 PM
At least Orton has Moxie and Bronco fans love Moxie from their QB's.

...unless his name is Plummer (who was better than Orton will ever be).

So we've gone from unlimited skill and potential to "moxie"?

Maybe moxie will be cool this time around.

elsid13
04-03-2009, 01:02 PM
OK they gave away a first, but Chicago still has Bennett (Cutler's boy from Vandy), Hester (slot) Olson and Clark. Add in vet WR like Harrison or Plaxico Burress (just cut) and one of the WR from a deep class like Ramses Barden (CAL STPLY) or Brain Robiskie and Cutler has weapons. Giving up a 1 isn't a big problem and Chicago will be able to surrond Cutler with talent.

SonOfLe-loLang
04-03-2009, 01:11 PM
I like Orton but he never threw more than 18 Tds in a season

He threw for under 3k yards last season and only has 5319 total career yards Cutler had most of that last year.

Cutler has gone well over 3K twice in 3 years

Cutler has thrown 53 Tds to 37 Ints

Orton has thrown 30 Td's to 27 INTS.

I still think Orton is a good fit for this team in rebuild mode but he is far from being a record breaking QB in any system.

At least Orton has Moxie and Bronco fans love Moxie from their QB's.

Comparing the stats is apples and oranges. This would only apply if Orton and Cutler ran the same exact O with the same exact roster.

SonOfLe-loLang
04-03-2009, 01:12 PM
OK they gave away a first, but Chicago still has Bennett (Cutler's boy from Vandy), Hester (slot) Olson and Clark. Add in vet WR like Harrison or Plaxico Burress (just cut) and one of the WR from a deep class like Ramses Barden (CAL STPLY) or Brain Robiskie and Cutler has weapons. Giving up a 1 isn't a big problem and Chicago will be able to surrond Cutler with talent.

If the broncos receivers were the names you just mentioned above, this board would all go and jump off a cliff

bronclvr
04-03-2009, 01:16 PM
I went over and looked at the Bears Forum to see how they felt-man, what a mistake-

lex
04-03-2009, 01:17 PM
I like Orton but he never threw more than 18 Tds in a season

He threw for under 3k yards last season and only has 5319 total career yards Cutler had most of that last year.

Cutler has gone well over 3K twice in 3 years

Cutler has thrown 53 Tds to 37 Ints

Orton has thrown 30 Td's to 27 INTS.

I still think Orton is a good fit for this team in rebuild mode but he is far from being a record breaking QB in any system.

At least Orton has Moxie and Bronco fans love Moxie from their QB's.

If Denver improves their running game this year, there will likely be more TDs overall. There may be fewer yards because the QB isnt doing as much of the work. Having an improved running game should smooth out some of the inconsistencies in the offense that we saw last year. An improved offense should lead to more redzone chances and more passing TDs.

SportinOne
04-03-2009, 01:19 PM
We're all about to see just how "good" Marshall and Royal are without Cutler. This blog as well, as this thread, is irrelevant. Bears have a different system, QB throws the ball way less. Even so, Cutler will probably still have more TD's.. Wins are what counts, though.. And the Bears will have more of those too...

BroncoLifer
04-03-2009, 01:19 PM
Comparing the stats is apples and oranges. This would only apply if Orton and Cutler ran the same exact O with the same exact roster.

And against the same opponents in the same weather.

Bronx33
04-03-2009, 01:21 PM
I went over and looked at the Bears Forum to see how they felt-man, what a mistake-


They did the same thing with grossman and orton.

Bronx33
04-03-2009, 01:22 PM
And against the same opponents in the same weather.


And they will have to drink the same amount of beer before the game ;D

elsid13
04-03-2009, 01:24 PM
If the broncos receivers were the names you just mentioned above, this board would all go and jump off a cliff

This board jumps off a cliff about everything. The names I listed are solid receiving corp for Cutler, and like I stated it wasn't like Chicago lost their entire draft.

broncofan7
04-03-2009, 01:25 PM
And I could win the lottery next year..........in all fairness, I believe that Chris Simms will wind up as out starter.........

Broncojef
04-03-2009, 01:38 PM
Yes, it's a blog, but aqnother perspective-

The Bears mortgaged part of their future to get Jay Cutler, but the Broncos will suffer very little in the short term with Kyle Orton as their new quarterback. In fact, if Orton wins the starting job which isn't a certainty -- he'll throw more touchdowns than Cutler in 2009.

While throwing more touchdown passes wouldn't mean Orton is better, you'd still think if a team gives up two first-round picks for a QB, they'd at least get more points out of him. Here are five reasons Orton could out-score Cutler:

1. Receiving Corps: The Broncos' Brandon Marshall is a bona fide No. 1 receiver. Like Terrell Owens, Marshall is the kind of target that helps any quarterback bolster his stats. And the speedy Eddie Royal is the perfect No. 2 guy. The Bears need to do something to improve in this area. Cutler will have a hard time getting the ball to wideouts Rashied Davis, Earl Bennett and Devin Hester consistently.

2. Offensive line: The Broncos kept Cutler's jersey very clean all last season (11 sacks all season), whereas Bears' QBs had little time in the pocket last season. Chicago added Orlando Pace, but there's a lot of risk with the injury-laden 33-year-old left tackle, and overall the Bears still aren't strong up front.

3. Defense: The Broncos didn't do enough to fix their sieve-like defenses, and Orton could be racking up numbers from a couple touchdowns behind all season. Even though the Bears' defense has lost a little of its ferocity, coach Lovie Smith wants to play ball control offense and win with stout D.

4. Josh McDaniels The offensive wunderkind didn't seem to have any interest in running the ball in New England. And he has no one to run the ball in Denver anyway. McDaniles should go to the air as much as he did with the Patriots the last two seasons. Meanwhile, the Bears will try to establish running back Matt Forte as one their primary offensive weapons.

5. Orton is underrated: Orton looked very good until he hurt his ankle last season in Chicago. He may not have Cutler's arm strength, but he has a stronger arm than Matt Cassel, who looked pretty good in McDaniels' offense. Orton probably just gets a bad wrap for having playing in the QB vortex that is Chicago.

Let me know what you think. If I'm wrong, don't hesitate to let me know this Fall.

http://www.fannation.com/si_blogs/huddle_up/posts/60521-kyle-orton-will-throw-more-touchdowns-than-jay-cutler

I think you are spot on man! Jay was blown up to be more than what he was. Orton will be the starter and will flourish with the talent around him. He isn't flashy so people will say he's boring but the thought of having a consistent leader that actually is a team player and can work with our dynamic young coach is going to be huge. I'm glad they moved the cancer quickly so we can move forward. That front line of the Bears is terrible and I bet Cutler is out of the lineup more than he is in.

Rigs11
04-03-2009, 01:43 PM
Too funny. All the baby jay apologists kept bringing up how the crappy defense was to blame for his win/ loss record yet they are ready to proclaim orton a loser when he had ridicoulously crappy offense talent around him

gyldenlove
04-03-2009, 01:51 PM
Yes, it's a blog, but aqnother perspective-

The Bears mortgaged part of their future to get Jay Cutler, but the Broncos will suffer very little in the short term with Kyle Orton as their new quarterback. In fact, if Orton wins the starting job which isn't a certainty -- he'll throw more touchdowns than Cutler in 2009.

While throwing more touchdown passes wouldn't mean Orton is better, you'd still think if a team gives up two first-round picks for a QB, they'd at least get more points out of him. Here are five reasons Orton could out-score Cutler:

1. Receiving Corps: The Broncos' Brandon Marshall is a bona fide No. 1 receiver. Like Terrell Owens, Marshall is the kind of target that helps any quarterback bolster his stats. And the speedy Eddie Royal is the perfect No. 2 guy. The Bears need to do something to improve in this area. Cutler will have a hard time getting the ball to wideouts Rashied Davis, Earl Bennett and Devin Hester consistently.

2. Offensive line: The Broncos kept Cutler's jersey very clean all last season (11 sacks all season), whereas Bears' QBs had little time in the pocket last season. Chicago added Orlando Pace, but there's a lot of risk with the injury-laden 33-year-old left tackle, and overall the Bears still aren't strong up front.

3. Defense: The Broncos didn't do enough to fix their sieve-like defenses, and Orton could be racking up numbers from a couple touchdowns behind all season. Even though the Bears' defense has lost a little of its ferocity, coach Lovie Smith wants to play ball control offense and win with stout D.

4. Josh McDaniels The offensive wunderkind didn't seem to have any interest in running the ball in New England. And he has no one to run the ball in Denver anyway. McDaniles should go to the air as much as he did with the Patriots the last two seasons. Meanwhile, the Bears will try to establish running back Matt Forte as one their primary offensive weapons.

5. Orton is underrated: Orton looked very good until he hurt his ankle last season in Chicago. He may not have Cutler's arm strength, but he has a stronger arm than Matt Cassel, who looked pretty good in McDaniels' offense. Orton probably just gets a bad wrap for having playing in the QB vortex that is Chicago.

Let me know what you think. If I'm wrong, don't hesitate to let me know this Fall.

http://www.fannation.com/si_blogs/huddle_up/posts/60521-kyle-orton-will-throw-more-touchdowns-than-jay-cutler

Without insulting anyones intelligence I think we can safely conclude that this was written by someone entirely new to football.

1. Has Marshall and Royal looked good with any other QB? There is approximately 50% chance that Cutler made Royal and Marshall look good, that also means there are about 50% chance that Orton will make them look bad.

2. A lot of that has to do with Cutler being able to move in the pocket and extend plays long beyond reason. Go back and look at how many times Cutler had to scramble and weave out of traffic, Orton who looks more like Michelangelos David in the pocket than he does a track star would have taken a lot more sacks behind our line last year. Plus, Cutler was able to keep a lot of defensive backs from blitzing because very few people wanted to give up the 1 on 1 down the field that Cutler could take advantage of, Orton will be staring into the vicious beady little eyes of a cornerback or safety blitz much more often.

3. The Broncos will also have much worse field position than the Bears, meaning Orton will have to drive a longer field and will have fewer shots from beyond the 50 yard line than Cutler will.

4. And yet the Patriots somehow had the 6th most rushing yards in the league..... maybe this guy really doesn't know what he is talking about.

5. How can you underrate a guy who can't pass for 3000 yards and can't crack 20 TDs? That is like saying that Kraft Dinner is underrated for its nutritional value. Orton looks good on any pass shorter than 10 yards, on any pass longer than 10 yards he looks like a 12 year old throwing into a strong head-wind.

Killericon
04-03-2009, 01:58 PM
but he has a stronger arm than Matt Cassel

Say what?

Punisher
04-03-2009, 02:00 PM
LMAO Kyle Orton is our Starting QB oh man we just got F'ed in the A

Drek
04-03-2009, 02:37 PM
OK they gave away a first, but Chicago still has Bennett (Cutler's boy from Vandy), Hester (slot) Olson and Clark. Add in vet WR like Harrison or Plaxico Burress (just cut) and one of the WR from a deep class like Ramses Barden (CAL STPLY) or Brain Robiskie and Cutler has weapons. Giving up a 1 isn't a big problem and Chicago will be able to surrond Cutler with talent.

Cutler and his boy Bennett sure tore up the SEC together didn't they? I'm sure that success will carry over to the NFL, where the teams are made up of only the elite talents who beat the crap out of them regularly on Saturdays.

Hester still doesn't know how to run a route or even catch a pass well at this point. I think Cutler is in for a shock when he goes to throw to the spot Hester is going to be at, just to see a pick six when he realizes that Hester was 10 yards or more off his route. He isn't Eddie Royal or Brandon Stokley at cutting off sharp patterns.

Olsen and Clark are not Sheffler and Graham, by any means.

And what will they do about their OL? Chris Williams looks like Ryan Harris circa 2007 when most of this board had written him off, and he wasn't as dominant a player when healthy in college as Harris was. Orlando Pace is washed up, he played in 14 games last year and was a below average OT in pretty much all of them. Kreutz is the only standout on their OL and he's not a spring chicken anymore.

Now they've given up both firsts and a third for the next two years, so until the 2011 draft they will only be picking four players in the first 100 (including the comp pick they have this year). Its going to be real hard to shore up the OL, add more weapons for Cutler, give him the big money extension he'll want well before then, and still find a way to take their defense from the lower middle of the pack squad they were last year while Urlacher, Harris, and Ogunleye are showing signs of very ungraceful aging.

They have some massive issues that still need fixing, and for an ownership group who is notoriously thrifty I don't see any massive outlays in an uncapped season coming to fix them.

bombay
04-03-2009, 02:40 PM
Cutler could really move the ball down the field but he had a hell of a time getting it into the end zone. This guy might be right.

Spider
04-03-2009, 02:41 PM
I dont know Orton is already at Dove Valley ready to start working ........ less then 24 hours and he is here ............

USMCBladerunner
04-03-2009, 02:44 PM
I think Olsen and Clark are just as good as Scheffler and Graham.

ZONA
04-03-2009, 03:58 PM
You cannot judge Orton until he plays in this system. And you can call him what you want but you better call him young. Last year was his first full year as a starter and played part of the season with an injury. Even our own beloved John Elway was not tearing the league up in his first few years. I don't know what's wrong with most of you Orton bashers out there but you must think an all pro QB is made overnight. Cutler didn't exactly look stellar in his first full year as a starter either. The "book" has hardly been written about Orton yet alot of people here think he's destined for "noodled arm QB's farm". Gimmie a break. Joe Montana didn't start wowing crowds until after his 2nd year and all the skeptics out there were yelling the same thing as you a-holes. He don't have an arm. His arm is like a wet noodle, he can't win. Shut the F up. He was only one of the great QB's the league has ever seen.

Give Orton a full year with McD and this offense before you pass judgement. Anybody who says he will be great is stupid and anybody who says he will suck is stupid. Let the man go to camp, compete through the preseason and we will see what he does this year. Is it that hard to do? It's a good thing alot of people on here are not talent evaluators. They would draft a QB and after his first pick he would be traded or cut. Get a frickin life man.