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TD30
04-03-2009, 11:55 AM
http://cle.scout.com/2/853253.html

Rich's Rant: Don't Shut Denver Trade Door
brady quinn

By Rich Passan

Posted Apr 3, 2009


The Denver Broncos took advantage of a team desperate for a quarterback in their deal with the Chicago Bears. Now, can the Browns take advantage of Denver's windfall? Rich Passan opines...

What a terrible price the Chicago Bears paid to acquire the talents of quarterback Jay Cutler from the Denver Broncos Thursday.

Giving up two first-rounders, a third-rounder and quarterback Kyle Orton in exchange for Cutler and a fifth-rounder is just insane enough to wonder what the hell Bears were thinking.

Credit Broncos owner Pat Bowlen with legal larceny. Both hands were showing as he swindled the Bears, who have been starving for a great quarterback since Hall of Famer Sid Luckman led the Monsters of the Midway nearly 70 years ago.

The deal just perpetuates the notion that stupidity always runs rampant throughout the National Football League. Fortunately, it didnít pay a visit to the Fort Berea Bunker this time.

But just because Cutler is gone and everyone seems happy, except those suitors who believed they could land him, letís not discount the possibility of the Browns remaining on course with the Broncos.

If Iím Eric Mangini and George Kokinis, Iím on the phone with Bowlen asking him how comfortable he is with Orton as his starting quarterback.

Iím asking him if his coach, Josh McDaniels, is truly at ease with Orton handling the huddle this season in Denver.

The lanky quarterback from Purdue has had a shaky career in the NFL. He has shown it doesnít take much to shake his confidence. Is that the kind of quarterback McDaniels wants?

It is entirely possible, however, that McDaniels believes he can transform Orton into something more than a journeyman type quarterback who has trouble making the difficult throws. After all, Orton did have a very productive collegiate career.

It is entirely possible McDaniels believes that if he can turn Matt Cassel into a good quarterback, as he did last season in New England when Tom Brady went down in the season opener, Orton should be easy.

Cassel was nothing more than a career backup in college and the NFL until McDaniels went Prof. Henry Higgins on him. (My Fair Lady reference for you Broadway fans.) He nearly took the Patriots to the playoffs.

But the prospect of landing Brady Quinn might give McDaniels some pause. There is a common bond, both men having learned offensive football under Charlie Weis.

It would be surprising if that doesnít translate into some sort of meaningful dialogue with the Broncos. Again, if Iím Mangini/Kokinis, I would dangle Quinn or at least explore the possibility with Bowlen. McDaniels would at the very least give a listen.

Opening the season with a quarterback tandem of Orton and Quinn, or Quinn and Orton, would give the Broncos probably the best depth at that position in the NFL.

And all it would take is a first-round pick. Quinn for the Broncosí second pick in the first round (No. 18), the one they received from the Bears. That way, theyíd still keep their first pick this year (No. 12), the Bearsí first pick next season and still have Quinn, who would certainly be better than anyone they would get at No. 18 this year.

If they could pull off that swap, Mangini/Kokinis would be more than justified picking off a quarterback with the fifth pick of the lottery. Someone like, say, Mark Sanchez of Southern California.

That would fit right in with the Mangini plan. He is definitely taking large steps in stamping his label on the Browns. Has anyone noticed how quickly the Phil Savage guys are disappearing?

Quinn and Derek Anderson are Savage guys. Sanchez, if this all plays out, would be a Mangini guy.

This is not to intimate this will happen. But the landscape is such that it is hard to believe the Broncos are willing to play an entire season with Orton as their quarterback.

Following Cutler, whose star was rising rapidly in Denver, will not be easy for Orton, who will always be known as the guy the Broncos received in the controversial trade. The pressure to succeed will be almost as high for him as it was for Aaron Rodgers, who succeeded Brett Favre in Green Bay.

Rodgers was following a legend, of course. But Cutler had developed a large following in Denver and his rapid departure stunned his fans.

Quinn would not face that kind of pressure since he would be a byproduct of the deal and the fansí expectations would not be nearly as great. At least not at first.

If the Browns canít convince the Broncos a deal for Quinn is the best way to go, the Brownsí status remains quo and Manginiís pronouncement of a training-camp battle this summer remains intact.

I can live with that, too.

TonyR
04-03-2009, 12:02 PM
I wonder if Cle would do it for a 2. Or maybe a deal for whichever of our 1's (ours or Chi's) is later next year.

BABronco
04-03-2009, 12:06 PM
I wonder if Cle would do it for a 2. Or maybe a deal for whichever of our 1's (ours or Chi's) is later next year.

Why trade for him? We have the God of QB coaches here! Let him work his "magic" on a 3-7th round draft pick.

TD30
04-03-2009, 12:09 PM
I would give up a second and then some for Quinn in a heart beat, I'm not excited about Orton or Simms at all

Hotrod
04-03-2009, 12:09 PM
I would have no choice but to throat punch the nearest nun I could find.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
04-03-2009, 12:11 PM
I don't think that's very likely, but pick-strapped Washington is. And I'd like Campbell a helluva lot more than Orton.

HEAV
04-03-2009, 12:12 PM
I would bet that Quinn could be had for a 2nd and Orton.

HEAV
04-03-2009, 12:14 PM
I don't think that's very likely, but pick-strapped Washington is. And I'd like Campbell a helluva lot more than Orton.


Coach McD. had Quinn 1st on his list, Orton 2nd. As for Campbell, I read that coach wasn't feeling it for him.

Pseudofool
04-03-2009, 12:15 PM
I would bet that Quinn could be had for a 2nd and Orton.Why would Cleveland have any interest in Orton?

TD30
04-03-2009, 12:17 PM
I would have no choice but to throat punch the nearest nun I could find.

Hilarious!

PRBronco
04-03-2009, 12:17 PM
Why trade for him? We have the God of QB coaches here! Let him work his "magic" on a 3-7th round draft pick.

Pffft, forget drafting, it's all about Chase Patton as a UDFA. He's a poor homeless man's Matt Cassell, mark my words!

btw I'm basing this purely on their height and complete lack of collegiate playing experience.

HEAV
04-03-2009, 12:18 PM
Why would Cleveland have any interest in Orton?

Gives them a one year backup/starter for Anderson.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
04-03-2009, 12:18 PM
Coach McD. had Quinn 1st on his list, Orton 2nd. As for Campbell, I read that coach wasn't feeling it for him.

Washington wanted a 2nd for Campbell. That's when those talks stopped.

Kaylore
04-03-2009, 12:20 PM
Pass on Quinn. He's a pretty boy pansy. I can't stand the guy. I'd rather root for a scrappy neck-beard man than Quinn every day of the week.

BABronco
04-03-2009, 12:21 PM
Pffft, forget drafting, it's all about Chase Patton as a UDFA. He's a poor homeless man's Matt Cassell, mark my words!

btw I'm basing this purely on their height and complete lack of collegiate playing experience.

I like it... Get it done McDani...ermm Xanders

lostknight
04-03-2009, 12:27 PM
No. At this point we are booked with Orton. If we want a new QB, let's do it through the draft.

garandman
04-03-2009, 12:30 PM
http://cle.scout.com/2/853253.html

Rich's Rant: Don't Shut Denver Trade Door
brady quinn

By Rich Passan

Posted Apr 3, 2009


The Denver Broncos took advantage of a team desperate for a quarterback in their deal with the Chicago Bears. Now, can the Browns take advantage of Denver's windfall? Rich Passan opines...

What a terrible price the Chicago Bears paid to acquire the talents of quarterback Jay Cutler from the Denver Broncos Thursday.

Giving up two first-rounders, a third-rounder and quarterback Kyle Orton in exchange for Cutler and a fifth-rounder is just insane enough to wonder what the hell Bears were thinking.

Credit Broncos owner Pat Bowlen with legal larceny. Both hands were showing as he swindled the Bears, who have been starving for a great quarterback since Hall of Famer Sid Luckman led the Monsters of the Midway nearly 70 years ago.

The deal just perpetuates the notion that stupidity always runs rampant throughout the National Football League. Fortunately, it didnít pay a visit to the Fort Berea Bunker this time.

But just because Cutler is gone and everyone seems happy, except those suitors who believed they could land him, letís not discount the possibility of the Browns remaining on course with the Broncos.

If Iím Eric Mangini and George Kokinis, Iím on the phone with Bowlen asking him how comfortable he is with Orton as his starting quarterback.

Iím asking him if his coach, Josh McDaniels, is truly at ease with Orton handling the huddle this season in Denver.

The lanky quarterback from Purdue has had a shaky career in the NFL. He has shown it doesnít take much to shake his confidence. Is that the kind of quarterback McDaniels wants?

It is entirely possible, however, that McDaniels believes he can transform Orton into something more than a journeyman type quarterback who has trouble making the difficult throws. After all, Orton did have a very productive collegiate career.

It is entirely possible McDaniels believes that if he can turn Matt Cassel into a good quarterback, as he did last season in New England when Tom Brady went down in the season opener, Orton should be easy.

Cassel was nothing more than a career backup in college and the NFL until McDaniels went Prof. Henry Higgins on him. (My Fair Lady reference for you Broadway fans.) He nearly took the Patriots to the playoffs.

But the prospect of landing Brady Quinn might give McDaniels some pause. There is a common bond, both men having learned offensive football under Charlie Weis.

It would be surprising if that doesnít translate into some sort of meaningful dialogue with the Broncos. Again, if Iím Mangini/Kokinis, I would dangle Quinn or at least explore the possibility with Bowlen. McDaniels would at the very least give a listen.

Opening the season with a quarterback tandem of Orton and Quinn, or Quinn and Orton, would give the Broncos probably the best depth at that position in the NFL.

And all it would take is a first-round pick. Quinn for the Broncosí second pick in the first round (No. 18), the one they received from the Bears. That way, theyíd still keep their first pick this year (No. 12), the Bearsí first pick next season and still have Quinn, who would certainly be better than anyone they would get at No. 18 this year.

If they could pull off that swap, Mangini/Kokinis would be more than justified picking off a quarterback with the fifth pick of the lottery. Someone like, say, Mark Sanchez of Southern California.

That would fit right in with the Mangini plan. He is definitely taking large steps in stamping his label on the Browns. Has anyone noticed how quickly the Phil Savage guys are disappearing?

Quinn and Derek Anderson are Savage guys. Sanchez, if this all plays out, would be a Mangini guy.

This is not to intimate this will happen. But the landscape is such that it is hard to believe the Broncos are willing to play an entire season with Orton as their quarterback.

Following Cutler, whose star was rising rapidly in Denver, will not be easy for Orton, who will always be known as the guy the Broncos received in the controversial trade. The pressure to succeed will be almost as high for him as it was for Aaron Rodgers, who succeeded Brett Favre in Green Bay.

Rodgers was following a legend, of course. But Cutler had developed a large following in Denver and his rapid departure stunned his fans.

Quinn would not face that kind of pressure since he would be a byproduct of the deal and the fansí expectations would not be nearly as great. At least not at first.

If the Browns canít convince the Broncos a deal for Quinn is the best way to go, the Brownsí status remains quo and Manginiís pronouncement of a training-camp battle this summer remains intact.

I can live with that, too.

This guy is high if he think we would give a 1 for Quinn...

garandman
04-03-2009, 12:31 PM
I would have no choice but to throat punch the nearest nun I could find.

How about punching babies

Drek
04-03-2009, 12:34 PM
The Browns were publicly shopping Anderson for what most thought would be a 3rd just a few weeks ago.

Since then they've said Quinn and Anderson are in open competition.

Yet somehow Quinn is supposed to be worth a mid-first? Matt Cassel nearly got a team into the playoffs last year and he was only worth an early 2nd.

Maybe #48 for Quinn, but I'd be a lot more willing to give one of the thirds. Or maybe just Tony Sheffler.

nickademus
04-03-2009, 12:35 PM
Pffft, forget drafting, it's all about Chase Patton as a UDFA. He's a poor homeless man's Matt Cassell, mark my words!

btw I'm basing this purely on their height and complete lack of collegiate playing experience.

this is the missouri back up right? I herd he is going to dental school or something.

nickademus
04-03-2009, 12:36 PM
I would send a 3rd and Sheffler for Quinn.

Swedish Extrovert
04-03-2009, 12:38 PM
I wonder if Cle would do it for a 2. Or maybe a deal for whichever of our 1's (ours or Chi's) is later next year.

I was thinking that... maybe our 2nd and... Orton? For Quinn.

TD30
04-03-2009, 12:39 PM
I would send a 3rd and Sheffler for Quinn.

hmm could be an option Scheffler next?

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/features/rumors?&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl %2ffeatures%2frumors

no-pseudo-fan
04-03-2009, 12:42 PM
Pass on Quinn. He's a pretty boy pansy. I can't stand the guy. I'd rather root for a scrappy neck-beard man than Quinn every day of the week.

I completely agree.

Gcver2ver3
04-03-2009, 12:45 PM
forget Quinn...

I want Shaun Rogers...

Hercules Rockefeller
04-03-2009, 12:50 PM
Washington wanted a 2nd for Campbell. That's when those talks stopped.

Denver had told Washington they did not want Campbell in any trade for Cutler, Washington was trying to get a 2nd for Campbell to include in the package for Jay.

As for the original article, that's just so tempting. A 1st round pick for a guy who hasn't played up to his draft status yet. Awesome.

USMCBladerunner
04-03-2009, 12:51 PM
Pffft, forget drafting, it's all about Chase Patton as a UDFA. He's a poor homeless man's Matt Cassell, mark my words!

btw I'm basing this purely on their height and complete lack of collegiate playing experience.

lol...nice one

MileHighMagic
04-03-2009, 12:56 PM
Brady Quinn is good and will be a successful QB. We will regret not getting him.

USMCBladerunner
04-03-2009, 01:01 PM
Pffft, forget drafting, it's all about Chase Patton as a UDFA. He's a poor homeless man's Matt Cassell, mark my words!

btw I'm basing this purely on their height and complete lack of collegiate playing experience.

lol...nice one

BroncoMan4ever
04-03-2009, 01:18 PM
I wonder if Cle would do it for a 2. Or maybe a deal for whichever of our 1's (ours or Chi's) is later next year.

conditional pick. no way is he worth a 1st this year. trade him for a 2nd next year that can become a 1st if he plays enough. or even a 3rd that becomes a 2nd. Cassel was traded for a 2nd and the deal was sweetened with the throw in of Vrabel, and he has a full year starting. Quinn for the most part is an unknown, and has like 3 games of experience, he is not worth the same amount.

Dempsey Dog
04-03-2009, 01:24 PM
this is the missouri back up right? I herd he is going to dental school or something.

Yeah...he was highlighted by ESPN mag in the fall.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?section=magazine&id=3632340

"Patton, on the other hand, is designed for the next level: 6'4", 230 pounds, with 7% body fat and an arm so strong that after each practice, he stands at midfield and throws passes over the crossbar."

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3250/2921349421_876d427b91.jpg

Funny thing about him, he looks like James Woods.

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/MMPH/C57735~James-Woods-Posters.jpg