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PaintballCLE
03-30-2009, 08:49 PM
By Jon Herskovitz

SEOUL (Reuters) - The United States deployed two missile-interceptor ships from South Korea on Monday, a military spokesman said, days ahead of a North Korean rocket launch widely seen as a long-range missile test that violates U.N. sanctions.

The launch presents the first significant challenge by the prickly state to U.S. President Barack Obama, who will discuss Pyongyang's intentions with global leaders including Chinese President Hu Jintao this week at the G20 summit in London. The United States, however, has no intention to shoot down the rocket in a test seen by Washington as part of Pyongyang's goal to eventually develop an intercontinental ballistic missile, U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates said on Sunday.

"I would say we're not prepared to do anything about it," Gates said on "Fox News Sunday" when asked if the Pentagon planned to shoot down the missile.

"If we had an aberrant missile, one that looked like it was headed for Hawaii, we might consider it," he said, adding the Pentagon does not believe North Korea can put a warhead on the missile or reach the U.S. West Coast.

U.S. Forces Korea dispatched the guided missile destroyers from the South Korean port of Busan, a spokesman said without offering further details.

Local media quoted informed sources as saying the vessels with sophisticated radar will monitor the launch, which Pyongyang has said is planned for April 4-8. South Korea also plans to dispatch one of its missile-intercepting destroyers closer to the launch date, officials have said.

Japan deployed two missile-intercepting vessels to waters off its west coast at the weekend and another with sophisticated radar off its Pacific coast.

The North Korean rocket is supposed to drop booster stages to the east and west of Japan. Government officials said Tokyo is poised to shoot down debris that poses a threat to its public.

Rear Admiral James Kelly, Commander of U.S. Forces Japan, told reporters that Japan had nothing to fear from the launch.

PEACEFUL PURPOSE OR TEST?

North Korea, which has threatened to restart its plant that makes arms-grade plutonium if the United Nations punishes it for the launch, made a new threat, saying it might strike South Korea if it joins a U.S. plan to stop the flow of weapons of mass destruction called the Proliferation Security Initiative (PSI).

"(Should the South Korean government) participate in the 'PSI' ... the DPRK (North Korea) will consider this as a declaration of a war and promptly take a resolute countermeasure against it," the North's official KCNA news agency quoted a government agency spokesman as saying.

South Korean officials have said Seoul was considering joining PSI, a Bush administration plan where countries try to halt cargoes of suspected WMD materials such as ballistic missiles from the North.

North Korea has installed the completed three-stage rocket on a launch pad at its Musudan-ri missile base on the east coast but it was unclear what was at the top of the rocket, the Institute for Science and International Security said at the weekend based on an analysis of satellite imagery.

North Korea has said the launch is for the peaceful purpose of sending a satellite into orbit, while the United States, South Korea and Japan see it as a disguised test of the Taepodong-2 missile and a violation of U.N. sanctions.

The three have said they want the U.N. Security Council to punish the North for the launch but analysts see China, a veto-wielding permanent council member and the closest the North has to a major ally, blocking new sanctions and reluctant to call for tighter enforcement of existing ones.

Japan is considering tightening its unilateral sanctions on North Korea, Kyodo news agency reported. South Korean President Lee Myung-bak said he opposes a military response to the launch.

In an interview with the Financial Times, Lee said he also does not want to punish Pyongyang by ending a joint business park just north of their heavily militarized border in Kaesong or cutting humanitarian aid because that could hurt separate nuclear disarmament talks and Seoul's goal of peaceful unification.

"For us to go the other way, taking a harder stance, I don't think that would necessarily be helpful in achieving this ultimate objective," Lee said.

North Korea, which has stranded South Korean workers at the factory park three times in recent weeks by not allowing them to cross the border, has detained a South Korean employee there on suspicion of criticizing the communist state's political system, a South Korean Unification Ministry spokeswoman said.

North Korea is expected to start fuelling the rocket this week, starting a process experts said takes three to four days to prepare it for launch. U.S. spy satellites can watch the moves at the Musudan-ri missile base.

Investors said the impending launch has not cast much of a shadow, for now, over trading this week in Seoul.

"They will worry about that once the rocket is launched," said Kim Joong-hyun, a Goodmorning Shinhan Securities analyst

Spider
03-30-2009, 08:55 PM
Lets hope not ........ I hope N.korea is bluffing , but if not , then do what you gotta do ........

PaintballCLE
03-30-2009, 08:58 PM
Lets hope not ........ I hope N.korea is bluffing , but if not , then do what you gotta do ........
lol sure......its ok now that a dem is on office LOL JK JK JK JK

Spider
03-30-2009, 09:05 PM
lol sure......its ok now that a dem is on office LOL JK JK JK JK
An ex poster here had a daughter serving on the S. Korean -N.Korean border ...we have been so close to another war so many times it isnt funny ..... We always have Ships in the area , and make no mistake , we could destroy the rocket right where it sits

watermock
03-30-2009, 09:54 PM
We will be targeting it anyway.

We should make targeting tjat missle China's job or else..ummm...we'll keep them from...umm, buying our debt at .5%?

gunns
03-31-2009, 05:49 AM
Oh great. My son just got his papers to go to Korea for a year in October.

lol sure......its ok now that a dem is on office

Let's just say that as the mother of a son who was in Iraq twice and Afghanistan once, I am thrilled to have the empty headed pigs (Cheney) gone from office, as well as their minions in the legislature. If my son ends up in another conflict I'll know that it was much better thought out and he might actually be fighting for our freedoms this time.

snowspot66
03-31-2009, 05:57 AM
The North Koreans can't win and there will be no war unless he's really fallen off his rocker. They can't land troops by sea so that leaves crossing the DMZ and it's estimated 1 million landmines just to reach the fortified South Korean side. It would be a slaughter.

TailgateNut
03-31-2009, 06:15 AM
An ex poster here had a daughter serving on the S. Korean -N.Korean border ...we have been so close to another war so many times it isnt funny ..... We always have Ships in the area , and make no mistake , we could destroy the rocket right where it sits

Those ****wads have been looney forever. I was stationed there in the late 70's and they would shoot at us while on patrol along the DMZ and would sneak into S. Korea and commit random acts of voilence against places Americans frequently visited. I'm sure the soldiers in Tongduchon are on "high alert".

A starving country with an unstable leader. It's amazing to see the new buildings in their EMPTY cities, and then, in contrast, see the conditions in rural N.Korea.

TailgateNut
03-31-2009, 06:18 AM
Oh great. My son just got his papers to go to Korea for a year in October.



Let's just say that as the mother of a son who was in Iraq twice and Afghanistan once, I am thrilled to have the empty headed pigs (Cheney) gone from office, as well as their minions in the legislature. If my son ends up in another conflict I'll know that it was much better thought out and he might actually be fighting for our freedoms this time.


If I were you, I'd be more worried about the "young honeys" than an attack from the North Koreans. :thanku:

I LOVED my time in Korea. Tried to get an extension, but the Army "shot me down".:wiggle:

ant1999e
03-31-2009, 08:43 AM
Oh great. My son just got his papers to go to Korea for a year in October.



Let's just say that as the mother of a son who was in Iraq twice and Afghanistan once, I am thrilled to have the empty headed pigs (Cheney) gone from office, as well as their minions in the legislature. If my son ends up in another conflict I'll know that it was much better thought out and he might actually be fighting for our freedoms this time.

Our freedom in South Korea?:kiddingme O.K. Freedom for the juicy girls.

Spider
03-31-2009, 08:49 AM
Our freedom in South Korea?:kiddingme O.K. Freedom for the juicy girls.

That Missile can reach Alaska or Hawaii ...........

ant1999e
03-31-2009, 08:55 AM
That Missile can reach Alaska or Hawaii ...........

"Pentagon does not believe North Korea can put a warhead on the missile"
Alaska and Hawaii don't count.

Spider
03-31-2009, 08:58 AM
"Pentagon does not believe North Korea can put a warhead on the missile"
Alaska and Hawaii don't count.

Pentagon also believed Iraq had WMD ...... why doesnt Alaska and Hawaii count ?

Dudeskey
03-31-2009, 09:42 AM
damn, my Brother-in-law's out there right now...

Dudeskey
03-31-2009, 09:43 AM
The North Koreans can't win and there will be no war unless he's really fallen off his rocker. They can't land troops by sea so that leaves crossing the DMZ and it's estimated 1 million landmines just to reach the fortified South Korean side. It would be a slaughter.

Thats a lot of cannon fodder

gyldenlove
03-31-2009, 11:10 AM
The North Koreans can't win and there will be no war unless he's really fallen off his rocker. They can't land troops by sea so that leaves crossing the DMZ and it's estimated 1 million landmines just to reach the fortified South Korean side. It would be a slaughter.

I bet you that the US has the DMZ targeted with strategic nukes and conventional bombs.

TailgateNut
03-31-2009, 12:17 PM
I bet you that the US has the DMZ targeted with strategic nukes and conventional bombs.

Huh???

If we were to launch a nuke into the DMZ we would take out quite a few of our own soldiers and a pile of South Koreans.

Just send out the "boys" from Tongduchon in their Apache's and Blackhawks and a few A-10's and then call in backup from Osan AFB, and watch the fireworks!:wiggle:

NUB
03-31-2009, 12:56 PM
North Korea has always been on the brink of war with South Korea. The problem now is that its crack-pot leader is dying and the issue of succession will potentially make it worse than it is now.

PaintballCLE
04-04-2009, 08:44 PM
SO MUCH FOR IT BEING "TO SEND A SATELITE" INTO SPACE....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/as_nkorea_missile

SEOUL, South Korea – North Korea defiantly carried out a provocative rocket launch Sunday that the U.S., Japan and other nations suspect was a cover for a test of its long-range missile technology.
Liftoff took place at 11:30 a.m. (0230GMT) Sunday from the coastal Musudan-ri launch pad in northeastern North Korea, the South Korean and U.S. governments said.
Japan immediately called for an emergency session of the U.N. Security Council.
The multistage rocket flew over Japan and landed in the Pacific Ocean, the Japanese broadcaster NHK said, citing its government.
"Our primary concern is to confirm safety and gather information," Japanese Prime Minister Taro Aso told a news conference at his Tokyo office Sunday.
The launch was a bold act of defiance against Aso, President Barack Obama, Hu Jintao of China and other leaders who pressed Pyongyang in the days leading up to liftoff to call off a launch they said would threaten peace and stability in Northeast Asia.
The U.S., South Korea, Japan and others suspect the launch is a guise for testing the regime's long-range missile technology — one step toward eventually mounting a nuclear weapon on a missile capable of reaching Alaska and beyond.
They earlier vowed to take North Korea to the U.N. Security Council for a launch they said violates a 2006 resolution barring the regime from ballistic missile activity.
South Korea's presidential Blue House called the launch a "reckless" move that poses a "serious threat" to stability on the Korean peninsula.
"We cannot contain our disappointment and regret over North Korea's reckless act," presidential spokesman Lee Dong-kwan told reporters Sunday. He said the launch of the long-range rocket "poses a serious threat to security on the Korean peninsula and the world."
Obama said Friday the launch would be "provocative" and said the U.S. would "take appropriate steps to let North Korea know that it can't threaten the safety and security of other countries with impunity."
The launch "will prompt the United States to take appropriate steps to let North Korea know that it cannot threaten the safety and security of other countries with impunity," State Department spokesman Fred Lash said in Washington.
Security Council diplomats said Friday that a draft resolution in circulation could reaffirm and tighten enforcement of the demands and sanctions of a resolution passed after North Korea conducted a nuclear test on 2006.