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Pony Boy
03-29-2009, 08:08 AM
It’s obvious when you look at NFL rosters, there is a serious lack of white running backs. There are several white fullbacks listed, along with Denver’s fan favorite Peyton Hillis. Of course we all know how Hillis was moved to tailback by default due to a rash of injuries suffered at the position. Fullbacks are rarely drafted high and they perform a thankless job delivering car-crash blocks in the hole to pave the way for the running backs. It would seem to be a no-brainer that Josh McDaniel’s would review the films and see the huge potential that Peyton Hill’s has if given the opportunity to compete at tailback. Mc Daniels could be playing the overwhelming odds that “white men can’t run”. There hasn’t been a white running back gain 1000 yards in the NFL since Craig James did it for the Patriots in 1985 (28 years ago). John Riggins gained over 1000 yards in 1983 and 1984 with the Redskins. I see Peyton Hillis as a mirror image of John Riggins and a force that would energize the Denver fans. I think we could all use a little energizing right now.

More trivia, The last white tailback drafted in the 1st round was Penn State’s John Cappelletti with the 11th overall pick in 1974.
Rob Lytle played running back for the Denver Broncos from 1977 to 1983 most yards in one season was 408 in 1977.

Mogulseeker
03-29-2009, 08:34 AM
Oh boy....

Rabb
03-29-2009, 08:59 AM
wow

just wow

Inkana7
03-29-2009, 09:02 AM
McDaniels is a racist!

Rabb
03-29-2009, 09:03 AM
McDaniels is a racist!

I know, when I asked him about it he cleared his throat and wouldn't look me in the eye!!!!

Mogulseeker
03-29-2009, 09:18 AM
There we have it: McDaniels wants to trade Hillis because he's racist against white running backs.

Come to think of it... it's probably why he wants to dump Scheffler for Graham, and why he signed Gaffney to take Stokely's spot, and Andra Davis, even though Spencer Larsen is perfectly capable of playing MLB.

There you have it ... our coach is a RACIST!

broncofan7
03-29-2009, 09:19 AM
Hey, at least we have a white WR ;)-albeit and old one.

SportinOne
03-29-2009, 09:26 AM
There we have it: McDaniels wants to trade Hillis because he's racist against white running backs.

Come to think of it... it's probably why he wants to dump Scheffler for Graham, and why he signed Gaffney to take Stokely's spot, and Andra Davis, even though Spencer Larsen is perfectly capable of playing MLB.

There you have it ... our coach is a RACIST!

Oh hey, Mighty Smurf, nice avy. Tell me, where'd you get the "inspiration" for that? Just curious.8')

Pony Boy
03-29-2009, 09:27 AM
McDaniels is a racist!

I know your comment is in jest and I’m not calling McDaniel’s or any other coach or owner a racist. I'm pointing out the double standard in the NFL. The subject of ‘White” NFL running backs are taboo for conversation on most NFL talk shows and in the print media. We are all aware of how the media declares “foul play” when it comes to black head coaches and Quarterbacks in the NFL. Would there be a media outcry if there were no starting black running backs? I just want to see Hillis get a fair shot, thats all!

Mogulseeker
03-29-2009, 09:27 AM
Oh hey, Mighty Smurf, nice avy. Tell me, where'd you get the "inspiration" for that? Just curious.8')

You.

Mogulseeker
03-29-2009, 09:29 AM
I know your comment is in jest and I’m not calling McDaniel’s or any other coach or owner a racist. I'm pointing out the double standard in the NFL. The subject of ‘White” NFL running backs are taboo for conversation on most NFL talk shows and in the print media. We are all aware of how the media declares “foul play” when it comes to black head coaches and Quarterbacks in the NFL. Would there be a media outcry if there were no starting black running backs? I just want to see Hillis get a fair shot, thats all!

If you go to the youtube video on here posted about Hillis, over half the comments there are about his race.

One of my favorites was something along the lines of "The NFL is biased against white players. If Hillis were black, he'd have been a top 15 pick."

tsiguy96
03-29-2009, 09:32 AM
If you go to the youtube video on here posted about Hillis, over half the comments there are about his race.

One of my favorites was something along the lines of "The NFL is biased against white players. If Hillis were black, he'd have been a top 15 pick."

if hillis does NOT get a shot at starting RB this year, on what other grounds could anyone ever possibly base it on?

Mogulseeker
03-29-2009, 09:37 AM
if hillis does NOT get a shot at starting RB this year, on what other grounds could anyone ever possibly base it on?

Well, I'm NOT calling McDaniels a racist (when I did, it was being sarcastic), but it has to be an issue with the coach.

I was extremely excited when we picked up McDaniels, but if he doesn't see the talent Hillis has, he isn't worth the plane ticket from Boston to Denver.

There is an argument for his offensive system, an argument that was tron out when he signed LaMont Jordan, who has almost an identical style of play as Hillis, except Hillis can block an catch better.

tsiguy96
03-29-2009, 09:45 AM
Well, I'm NOT calling McDaniels a racist (when I did, it was being sarcastic), but it has to be an issue with the coach.

I was extremely excited when we picked up McDaniels, but if he doesn't see the talent Hillis has, he isn't worth the plane ticket from Boston to Denver.

There is an argument for his offensive system, an argument that was tron out when he signed LaMont Jordan, who has almost an identical style of play as Hillis, except Hillis can block an catch better.

hillis runs far better than jordan too, i honestly dont know why jordan was ever signed..

s0phr0syne
03-29-2009, 09:48 AM
There hasn’t been a white running back gain 1000 yards in the NFL since Craig James did it for the Patriots in 1985 (28 years ago).



Hmmm, seems like if you're going to create a rant thread, you should probably bother yourself to learn some 'rithmetic:

2009 - 1985 =/= 28.



Is your post from the future? You're telling me we're looking at 4 more years without a white running back gaining 1k?Hilarious!

Popps
03-29-2009, 10:18 AM
I know, when I asked him about it he cleared his throat and wouldn't look me in the eye!!!!

Hilarious!

cutthemdown
03-29-2009, 10:35 AM
He is from Boston!!!!

Arkie
03-29-2009, 10:48 AM
hillis runs far better than jordan too, i honestly dont know why jordan was ever signed..

Jordan never was New England's guy. I think he's just insurance here too. They had four running backs with over 70 carries and all under 750 yards and all not named Maroney. Maroney hasn't stayed healthy enough to have a 1000 yard season in any of his first three years.

TheDave
03-29-2009, 10:57 AM
JMO, but I think Hillis is going to get a shot at the position. I think he is a perfect fit for McDaniels 1 back system.

BABronco
03-29-2009, 11:01 AM
JMO, but I think Hillis is going to get a shot at the position. I think he is a perfect fit for McDaniels 1 back system.

I hope so. It would be a shame not to have him on the field as much as we can. And seeing how he excelled at RB that is where he should be. Not FB wasting his time and talent.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
03-29-2009, 11:02 AM
I know your comment is in jest and I’m not calling McDaniel’s or any other coach or owner a racist. I'm pointing out the double standard in the NFL. The subject of ‘White” NFL running backs are taboo for conversation on most NFL talk shows and in the print media. We are all aware of how the media declares “foul play” when it comes to black head coaches and Quarterbacks in the NFL. Would there be a media outcry if there were no starting black running backs? I just want to see Hillis get a fair shot, thats all!

Are there a lot of elite white running backs at the collegiate level who are ignored in the NFL draft? Because if there is, then your rant about how there haven't been any white running backs drafted in the first round in two decades actually holds water. If not, then... no.

Hillis played fullback in college. Might have been the reason he was drafted to play, you know, fullback.

FireFly
03-29-2009, 01:54 PM
JMO, but I think Hillis is going to get a shot at the position. I think he is a perfect fit for McDaniels 1 back system.

I agree with the 2nd, but unfortunately not the 1st.

I'm barracking for Hillis more than any other one sinlge player on our team. He deserves a shot at being our feature back, I just get the impression that Coach has already decided he's not the man for the job/

Kaylore
03-29-2009, 02:08 PM
I'm so grateful the first post was bolded. Can we get a repost in all caps too?

NYBronco
03-29-2009, 03:19 PM
I believe Bobby Turner will be filling McDaniels ear about Hillis' skills.

Mogulseeker
03-29-2009, 06:21 PM
I believe Bobby Turner will be filling McDaniels ear about Hillis' skills.

After the Broncos fired Shanahan, I wrote a blog saying Turner should have been the next Broncos head coach.

Pony Boy
03-29-2009, 06:32 PM
Are there a lot of elite white running backs at the collegiate level who are ignored in the NFL draft? Because if there is, then your rant about how there haven't been any white running backs drafted in the first round in two decades actually holds water. If not, then... no.

Hillis played fullback in college. Might have been the reason he was drafted to play, you know, fullback.

Are you missing the whole point of the post (white men can't run)? Yes there are no elite white running backs at the college or the pro level and haven't been in decades. That being the case McDaniels might be looking at the odds of having one here on the team. I think he has deceided there is no room for Hillis on this team at the running back position.

BroncoMan4ever
03-29-2009, 06:35 PM
If you go to the youtube video on here posted about Hillis, over half the comments there are about his race.

One of my favorites was something along the lines of "The NFL is biased against white players. If Hillis were black, he'd have been a top 15 pick."

i agree with that actually. he is more dynamic, has more skills, is a better runner than both McFadden and Jones. but due to being white and not quite as explosive as those guys, he was relegated to FB and overlooked until the 7th in the draft

Pony Boy
03-29-2009, 06:36 PM
Hmmm, seems like if you're going to create a rant thread, you should probably bother yourself to learn some 'rithmetic:

2009 - 1985 =/= 28.



Is your post from the future? You're telling me we're looking at 4 more years without a white running back gaining 1k?Hilarious!

Sorry for the math error Professor! Now I will give you an A+ for being a prick.

BroncoMan4ever
03-29-2009, 06:36 PM
Are you missing the whole point of the post (white men can't run)? Yes there are no elite white running backs at the college or the pro level and haven't been in decades. That being the case McDaniels might be looking at the odds of having one here on the team. I think he has deceided there is no room for Hillis on this team at the running back position.

and in my eyes that is just another spot in a long line of the stupidity that McDaniels has shown thus far

Pony Boy
03-29-2009, 06:45 PM
I'm so grateful the first post was bolded. Can we get a repost in all caps too?

Sorry for posting in bold, I'm more than likely the oldest guy on the OM and bold is a little easier for me to read. I will try to remember to use my reading glasses in the future.

Pony Boy
03-29-2009, 06:57 PM
and in my eyes that is just another spot in a long line of the stupidity that McDaniels has shown thus far

I couldn't agree more and I just hope Hillis gets his shot at RB not just be labeled a FB. I had season tickets to the Razorbacks when Hillis was recruited to play tailback at Arkansas. McFadden and Jones were recruited and Hillis was moved to FB and never complained, he just busted his hump for the team. So you see I have already been through this once and hate to see it again.

Rock Chalk
03-29-2009, 07:53 PM
There might be some racism going on. The unconscious kind white people get accused of all the time.

Unconsciously, coaches and people in general, think you have to be black to be a good running back. And while most of the best running backs are black, it does make you wonder if there are a few good white ones out there that never got a shot because they are white.

I imagine its similar to the black engineer that gets passed over for the white engineer. Both equally qualified but the unconscious racism that goes on regardless of color, hires the white guy because of the perceived notion that he is a better engineer. He may be, but how many black people get passed over for professional jobs because of that?

I dont know if there is racism or not in the NFL in that regard. But I cant imagine that of the 150 million white people in this country that not one of them is a starting NFL quality running back.

Mogulseeker
03-29-2009, 08:01 PM
There might be some racism going on. The unconscious kind white people get accused of all the time.

Unconsciously, coaches and people in general, think you have to be black to be a good running back. And while most of the best running backs are black, it does make you wonder if there are a few good white ones out there that never got a shot because they are white.

I imagine its similar to the black engineer that gets passed over for the white engineer. Both equally qualified but the unconscious racism that goes on regardless of color, hires the white guy because of the perceived notion that he is a better engineer. He may be, but how many black people get passed over for professional jobs because of that?

I dont know if there is racism or not in the NFL in that regard. But I cant imagine that of the 150 million white people in this country that not one of them is a starting NFL quality running back.

I think you mean Asian engineer. (joke)

What about sexism in the NFL of the 152 million women in the US, not one of them has ever suited up in an NFL football game.

Rock Chalk
03-29-2009, 08:09 PM
I think you mean Asian engineer. (joke)

What about sexism in the NFL of the 152 million women in the US, not one of them has ever suited up in an NFL football game.

I actually know about 12 engineers and only one is Asian. 8 are white, 2 are indian, 1 is black and the other asian.

That may not be a good ratio of engineers in this country, but from my experience I used the most common that I know which is white. That really wasnt the point though.

There ae plenty of women that play in the NFL. Jay Cutler, Brian Griese are two that play/played fo rthe Broncos. Not to mention all the cheerleaders that are part of the NFL.

BroncoMan4ever
03-29-2009, 08:14 PM
I think you mean Asian engineer. (joke)

What about sexism in the NFL of the 152 million women in the US, not one of them has ever suited up in an NFL football game.

i am sure if there were 250lbs women nothing but muscle without the help performance enhancing drugs, with the same skill set as Aaron Curry, there would be women in the NFL

the problem is, there aren't women built like that naturally....lol

Pony Boy
03-29-2009, 08:33 PM
i am sure if there were 250lbs women nothing but muscle without the help performance enhancing drugs, with the same skill set as Aaron Curry, there would be women in the NFL

the problem is, there aren't women built like that naturally....lol

I guess you haven't met my mother in law :strong:

Kaylore
03-29-2009, 09:37 PM
Sorry for posting in bold, I'm more than likely the oldest guy on the OM and bold is a little easier for me to read. I will try to remember to use my reading glasses in the future.

You need to get together with old Dude and have a shuffleboard tournament.

tsiguy96
03-29-2009, 09:43 PM
i am sure if there were 250lbs women nothing but muscle without the help performance enhancing drugs, with the same skill set as Aaron Curry, there would be women in the NFL

the problem is, there aren't women built like that naturally....lol

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3200/2310033150_6b7f4019bc.jpg?v=0

SureShot
03-29-2009, 09:43 PM
You need to get together with old Dude and have a shuffleboard tournament.

What time is that again?

http://wwwdelivery.superstock.com/WI/223/1597/PreviewComp/SuperStock_1597-11321.jpg

Pony Boy
03-29-2009, 09:54 PM
You need to get together with old Dude and have a shuffleboard tournament.

Well I'm not ready for shuffleboard just yet, I still tee it up 5 days a week and I follow the old proverb "Old age and treachery will overcome youth and skill every time".

Dagmar
03-29-2009, 09:56 PM
This thread is horrifying.

BroncoMan4ever
03-29-2009, 10:11 PM
I guess you haven't met my mother in law :strong:

why didn't you get her info to Mike? we have needed a MLB since Wilson was released.

you can't sit on talent like that watching Nate Webster suck ass on the field

I now blame you for our failures last season and the year before.....lol

BroncoMan4ever
03-29-2009, 10:13 PM
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3200/2310033150_6b7f4019bc.jpg?v=0

That's a huge bitch

if that is without the help of roids or any other crap found in the Chargers trainers offices, sign her up. finally get some size in the front 7

GoBroncos DownUnder
03-30-2009, 05:47 AM
Now, all we need is some dumb ass, white guy, who is a FORMER professional athlete, with NO football knowledge or background to come in and inflame the situation with ridiculous comments!! (and if ALL the nation's mainstream media FULLY support him, instead of maybe playing "devil's advocate" that would be wonderful too!):wiggle:
Maybe Larry Bird ... yeah, a basketball player, who could get arrested for DUI in a few months time!?!

Can ANYONE name a white Cornerback??? Should the league MANDATE that every team must carry ONE white CB on their roster?ROFL!



I agree this thread is horrific, but it's the off-season... ZZZ... thwack

Mogulseeker
03-30-2009, 06:21 AM
White cornerback: Jason Seahorn (and he was a pretty good one, too)...

That said, I think McDaniels needs to do some scouting in the WFA... considering the conversation here, there's probably loads of untapped potential.

We don’t see too many white running backs or DBs, but we also don’t see many black QBs or O-linemen either. The biological difference between white and black are literally so minuscule, that it's hardly worth arguing. But maybe at such a high level as the NFL it's just enough to give that player the extra push or jump to make it at the next level.

I had a sociology class where another student brought up a good point. Can we consider the effects that slavery had on pro sports? Certainly when the slave trade occurred, the process of natural selection was accelerated as slave traders pushed for bigger, stronger, faster. Perhaps blacks just evolved into better athletes while fatass white slave traders devolved into fatter asses.

But how would that explain Kenya, Jamaica and Nigeria kicking everybody’s ass every year in running and marathons?

Beantown Bronco
03-30-2009, 06:51 AM
There biological difference between white and black is literally so minuscule, that it's hardly worth arguing.

But isn't that precisely what you're doing here:

Can we consider the effects that slavery had on pro sports? Certainly when the slave trade occurred, the process of natural selection was accelerated as slave traders pushed for bigger, stronger, faster. Perhaps blacks just evolved into better athletes while fatass white slave trades devolved into fatter asses.

and here:

But how would that explain Kenya, Jamaica and Nigeria kicking everybody’s ass every year in running and marathons?

The evidence is there IMO to argue it quite successfully.

Mogulseeker
03-30-2009, 07:01 AM
But isn't that precisely what you're doing here:



and here:



The evidence is there IMO to argue it quite successfully.

Looks like youo missed this one:

But maybe at such a high level as the NFL it's just enough to give that player the extra push or jump to make it at the next level.

Beantown Bronco
03-30-2009, 07:08 AM
Looks like youo missed this one:

No the comparisons had nothing to do with the NFL.

Pony Boy
03-30-2009, 09:32 AM
White cornerback: Jason Seahorn (and he was a pretty good one, too)...

That said, I think McDaniels needs to do some scouting in the WFA... considering the conversation here, there's probably loads of untapped potential.

We don’t see too many white running backs or DBs, but we also don’t see many black QBs or O-linemen either. The biological difference between white and black are literally so minuscule, that it's hardly worth arguing. But maybe at such a high level as the NFL it's just enough to give that player the extra push or jump to make it at the next level.

I had a sociology class where another student brought up a good point. Can we consider the effects that slavery had on pro sports? Certainly when the slave trade occurred, the process of natural selection was accelerated as slave traders pushed for bigger, stronger, faster. Perhaps blacks just evolved into better athletes while fatass white slave traders devolved into fatter asses.

But how would that explain Kenya, Jamaica and Nigeria kicking everybody’s ass every year in running and marathons?

Excellent points, but that's the stuff we are just not allowed to talk about or ever bring up to the politically correct media! Just ask " Jimmy the Greek".

Pony Boy
03-30-2009, 09:43 AM
Now, all we need is some dumb ass, white guy, who is a FORMER professional athlete, with NO football knowledge or background to come in and inflame the situation with ridiculous comments!! (and if ALL the nation's mainstream media FULLY support him, instead of maybe playing "devil's advocate" that would be wonderful too!):wiggle:
Maybe Larry Bird ... yeah, a basketball player, who could get arrested for DUI in a few months time!?!

Can ANYONE name a white Cornerback??? Should the league MANDATE that every team must carry ONE white CB on their roster?ROFL!



I agree this thread is horrific, but it's the off-season... ZZZ... thwack
Wow, you need to slow down a little and quit sniffing the Kangaroo dung !!!
Maybe we could find an Aborigine field goal kicker, not too many of those around either.

GoBroncos DownUnder
03-30-2009, 09:48 AM
I'd still like to hear someone name the last 5 white guys who started at CB in the NFL? I'd even accept a nickel back if you can name one.


By the way, if you THINK about the Patriots style of offense over last few seasons ... I can't think of a better fit at RB than Peyton Hillis.
I'd actually like to see him play FB for the first half of the season for the lessened workload, then pull the switch so he helps us "grind it out" through the second half of the season! ;)

Inkana7
03-30-2009, 11:37 AM
I'd still like to hear someone name the last 5 white guys who started at CB in the NFL? I'd even accept a nickel back if you can name one.


By the way, if you THINK about the Patriots style of offense over last few seasons ... I can't think of a better fit at RB than Peyton Hillis.
I'd actually like to see him play FB for the first half of the season for the lessened workload, then pull the switch so he helps us "grind it out" through the second half of the season! ;)

Jason Seahorn was a pro bowler.

wandlc
03-30-2009, 05:42 PM
i agree with that actually. he is more dynamic, has more skills, is a better runner than both McFadden and Jones. but due to being white and not quite as explosive as those guys, he was relegated to FB and overlooked until the 7th in the draft

In college speed works, not so much at the pro-level. You have to have the other elements to your game. Look at Bush and Jone-Drew. They both played in the LA market, Bush got all the press and accolades, but Jones-Drew had a game that translated better to the pros and it is showing. We will have to see how things pan out for the trio of Razorback runners.

baja
03-30-2009, 07:05 PM
Does anyone have a Hillis highlight video they can post?

Pony Boy
03-30-2009, 07:11 PM
Does anyone have a Hillis highlight video they can post?

Great idea! and if anyone has one to post please send it to McDaniels also.

wandlc
03-30-2009, 08:07 PM
Here you go, enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSjDe...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9Nc9...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48HAi...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FtNx...eature=related

BABronco
03-30-2009, 08:09 PM
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BABronco
03-30-2009, 08:12 PM
I love the catch at 3:30. That is insane field awareness!!!!

baja
03-30-2009, 09:20 PM
Thanks for the vids guys.

Bronco Yoda
03-30-2009, 09:49 PM
Hillis is a playa. Good work ethic, great attitude...extremely versatile. No way do we not use him this year. He's a north-south wrecking ball. Speed matters not, not that he's slow anyway.