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montrose
03-25-2009, 02:20 AM
Marshall must wait for league to decide fate
The Denver Post

DANA POINT, Calif. — Unlike in McJaygate, in which the involved parties have the final say on who starts the season at quarterback, there isn't much the Broncos can do for star receiver Brandon Marshall.

Broncos coach Josh McDaniels is confident he can repair his fractured relationship with quarterback Jay Cutler. The fate of Marshall, however, rests with NFL commissioner Roger Goodell.

Marshall is coming off consecutive 100-catch seasons while also confronting the possibility of starting back-to- back seasons under suspension.

"As you know we spent a fair amount of time talking last summer," Goodell said Tuesday at the league's owners meetings. "I mentioned to him before that he needs to stay out of the way of any legal issues and criminal issues. While there are no charges here, at least something occurred, and we'd like to understand (it)."

Marshall was suspended for the opener of the 2008 season after Goodell ruled the receiver was in violation of the league's personal conduct policy for repeated domestic incidents. Marshall was arrested again last month after a quarrel with his fiancee. Charges were dropped the next day, but a conviction is not necessary for a player to be found in violation of the league's conduct policy.

"Obviously it's a concern," McDaniels said. "I'm sure in due time the league will address that. Charges were dropped, and we'll see where it goes if there is anything more to it."

Alleged drug dealer clears Buckhalter.

Convicted drug dealer Styles Beckles apologized to Correll Buckhalter after a prosecutor mentioned the Broncos running back as a client during Beckles' trial last week in Delaware County near Philadelphia. Beckles was convicted Friday of drug possession with intent to deliver.

"I never sold marijuana to Correll Buckhalter," Beckles said in a statement issued by his attorney. "The police listened to one conversation I had with Correll and decided it was about marijuana. It's not the truth. I have never sold, talked about selling, or given marijuana or anything else illegal to Correll Buckhalter."

Buckhalter was not charged. He played his first eight seasons with the Philadelphia Eagles until he became a free agent last month and signed a four-year, $10 million contract with the Broncos.

"I talked to Correll," McDaniels said. "I'm not doing cartwheels here, but if it's verified that (a conversation) is all it was, I would be happy about it. But we're going to make sure that's the case. It did sound like a step in the right direction."

Scheffler situation.

Broncos tight end Tony Scheffler is in impressive physical condition, thanks to intense personal workouts with Denver Nuggets strength-and-conditioning coach Steve Hess. After Scheffler suffered foot injuries on the first day of mini-camp each of the past two years, he didn't want to break his conditioning momentum, so he continued to train with Hess last week while his teammates, minus a certain quarterback, participated in the Broncos' offseason conditioning program.

It appears Scheffler has been encouraged to start showing up at Dove Valley.

"He worked out with the team today and I believe he'll continue to do so and I'm happy about that," McDaniels said.

Change to running game.

Never mind the new set of running backs (Buckhalter, J.J. Arrington and LaMont Jordan) the Broncos acquired through free agency. Perhaps the most significant change to the Broncos' offense this year will be the diminished role of the zone-blocking scheme that had been a Denver staple since the Mike Shanahan era began in 1995.

"That was really their bread-and-butter," McDaniels said. "We did more gap schemes in New England, where we're going to pull a guard. I can't give that up. That's kind of my baby. But you're going to see both."

The new running scheme will showcase the agility of Broncos guards Ben Hamilton and Chris Kuper.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_11991316

Vladimir
03-25-2009, 02:33 AM
I am hoping that Hamilton and Kuper will be good at this new running scheme McD is bringing in.. Hoping he doesn't diminish the zone altogether however.

lex
03-25-2009, 02:35 AM
He needs to do something to hide Hamilton's tendency to get ragdolled. It seems like Schlereth was stronger by far.

Ratboy
03-25-2009, 02:57 AM
Figures. McDouchebag takes one of the best lines in the NFL and will **** it up.

elsid13
03-25-2009, 03:41 AM
Can someone tell McDaniels it alright to borrow ideas and scheme from other teams besides the Patriots. I was really hoping that he could merge the Patriots passing attack with the ZBS that Denver made effective, taking the best of both.

watermock
03-25-2009, 04:15 AM
The new running scheme will showcase the agility of Broncos guards Ben Hamilton and Chris Kuper.



I can see it now...

mnnnnnnnnn...

That means quick reads.

Now McIdiot is going to desroy our pass blocking?

Ratboy
03-25-2009, 04:24 AM
Matt Cassel was sacked 47 times.

Jay Cutler was sacked 11 times.

First, he tries to trade Jay Cutler, 2nd, he tries to change the scheme that allowed only 11 total sacks?

cutthemdown
03-25-2009, 04:38 AM
Matt Cassel was sacked 47 times.

Jay Cutler was sacked 11 times.

First, he tries to trade Jay Cutler, 2nd, he tries to change the scheme that allowed only 11 total sacks?

He's only talking about pulling guards to attack a gap, instead of the zone in which the RB finds the cutback. Honestly you friggin Nancy boys are starting to irritate me.

What does a running scheme have to do with pass protection anyways? Let me guess you never played football?

chaz
03-25-2009, 04:51 AM
Matt Cassel was sacked 47 times.

Jay Cutler was sacked 11 times.

First, he tries to trade Jay Cutler, 2nd, he tries to change the scheme that allowed only 11 total sacks?

I don't like what he's doing, but there's a difference between the run and the pass...

chanesaw
03-25-2009, 05:04 AM
First he messes things up with our QB, now he is about to screw up the best and most copied running scheme in the league. I see trying to mix the two as being a disaster. This guy is an idiot, no wonder Jay wants out.

Ratboy
03-25-2009, 06:31 AM
He's only talking about pulling guards to attack a gap, instead of the zone in which the RB finds the cutback. Honestly you friggin Nancy boys are starting to irritate me.

What does a running scheme have to do with pass protection anyways? Let me guess you never played football?

Do you honestly believe he isn't changing the philosophy of the entire team? He wants it to be his team, and his team only. Anything Mike Shanahan has done in the past is being erased.

His ego is larger than his head, atleast we know who to point fingers to when we turn into a 4-12 team.

Had we not gone through 7 runningbacks, our running game would have been fine, I do not see a desperate need for a change. but since his scheme is the only one he knows, he;ll continue to put a square into a circle.

frerottenextelway
03-25-2009, 06:33 AM
Maybe we should trade Clady and a 2nd for Matt Light so we can have some comfort in his rushing scheme.

Rohirrim
03-25-2009, 06:34 AM
He's only talking about pulling guards to attack a gap, instead of the zone in which the RB finds the cutback. Honestly you friggin Nancy boys are starting to irritate me.

What does a running scheme have to do with pass protection anyways? Let me guess you never played football?

We need to elect Chris Crocker as Official Mascot of the Mane. ;D

tsiguy96
03-25-2009, 06:38 AM
Do you honestly believe he isn't changing the philosophy of the entire team? He wants it to be his team, and his team only. Anything Mike Shanahan has done in the past is being erased.

His ego is larger than his head, atleast we know who to point fingers to when we turn into a 4-12 team.

Had we not gone through 7 runningbacks, our running game would have been fine, I do not see a desperate need for a change. but since his scheme is the only one he knows, he;ll continue to put a square into a circle.

wow, you are getting pretty bad.

Mediator12
03-25-2009, 06:39 AM
Do you honestly believe he isn't changing the philosophy of the entire team? He wants it to be his team, and his team only. Anything Mike Shanahan has done in the past is being erased.

His ego is larger than his head, atleast we know who to point fingers to when we turn into a 4-12 team.

Had we not gone through 7 runningbacks, our running game would have been fine, I do not see a desperate need for a change. but since his scheme is the only one he knows, he;ll continue to put a square into a circle.

Relax, They also ran a ton of zone blocking for Maroney in New England. The thing about adding the other stuff is so had Den the last 2 years. It will simply be playing with the %'s of how much zone to gap blocking they run. Plus, this OL is built to do both finally and they are getting to know each other after a year.

I'll start the blame game if they start sucking in preseason and beyond. Way too early to get into that.

Ratboy
03-25-2009, 06:56 AM
Relax, They also ran a ton of zone blocking for Maroney in New England. The thing about adding the other stuff is so had Den the last 2 years. It will simply be playing with the %'s of how much zone to gap blocking they run. Plus, this OL is built to do both finally and they are getting to know each other after a year.

I'll start the blame game if they start sucking in preseason and beyond. Way too early to get into that.

I am just in awe of all the offensive changes being mentioned, even the secondary being the pumped as the "primary focus" on defense.

Can we get somebody that wants to go out and get a defensive line? I don't even think i have read or heard anything about McDaniels and a defensive line. He has signed a backup, but it barely helps us.

Broncoman13
03-25-2009, 07:08 AM
Do you honestly believe he isn't changing the philosophy of the entire team? He wants it to be his team, and his team only. Anything Mike Shanahan has done in the past is being erased.

I hope he is changing the philosophy of the entire team. Perhaps one of winning through hard work will be instilled into our players, coaches, and staff. I could care less for the Patriots, but I respect them and what they've built in New England. Shanahan was able to bring a lot from Bill Walsh... more than just Xs and Os. The McKid gets a year to show me what he's all about. As for being his team and his team only... For a 32 year old to step to the pump and take on that responsibility tells me plenty. He isn't trying to hide, he's showing a lot of maturity just by taking on that challenge.

His ego is larger than his head, atleast we know who to point fingers to when we turn into a 4-12 team.

I agree that he has a huge ego. That honestly (in part) is my biggest 'beef' with McD. My perception is that his ego is driving him to not talk to the local media and to only roll through the "big wigs" when it comes to interviews. Hopefully he'll learn from it eventually, b/c the local guys will drive the public perception whichever way they want. Woody Paige, Mike Klis, Lombardi, Clough, Armstrong, even Rivers can make or break the guy. Right now McD is putting himself into a corner trap. Wins is the only thing that can keep him alive at this point. Win and the local guys can only cry, lose and they'll cry a river that washes McD away!

Had we not gone through 7 runningbacks, our running game would have been fine, I do not see a desperate need for a change. but since his scheme is the only one he knows, he;ll continue to put a square into a circle.

Actually he's talking about a small pct. of running plays. Plays that he has had success with in New England. Plays that guys like Ben Hamilton and Chris Kuper will excel in! I think it's taking advantage of our guard's athleticism and letting them get out front and cream a LB, Safety, or CB. I'd be interested to hear what both Ben and Chris say, my guess is they would like the plays. Maybe Kupe's Dad can shed some light on the issue. Also keep in mind that he didn't say we were going to scrap the ZBS. I remember them running plenty of that the last several years. And, truth be told... Mike Shanahan ran a few similar plays himself. I can remember how nasty Chris Meyers was when he would pull. I remember him just ruining a Safety a few years ago in camp on the exact type of play that McD is talking about. It's funny that you're okay with Nolan changing the schemes completely on defense to include adding personnel he feels are good fits, but have a big issue with McD doing the same. He has to do what he knows.




Relax people. Give McD some rope here and take a wait and see approach. Right now it seems like he'll hang himself, but who knows. Maybe, just maybe he'll have enough success to make everyone forget about his rocky start.

Hercules Rockefeller
03-25-2009, 07:14 AM
I swear it seems some of you just wake up in the morning hoping for something to bitch about when it comes to McDaniels. It's spring, go outside for God's sake and do something.

DenverBrit
03-25-2009, 07:23 AM
Do you honestly believe he isn't changing the philosophy of the entire team? He wants it to be his team, and his team only. Anything Mike Shanahan has done in the past is being erased.

His ego is larger than his head, atleast we know who to point fingers to when we turn into a 4-12 team.

Had we not gone through 7 runningbacks, our running game would have been fine, I do not see a desperate need for a change. but since his scheme is the only one he knows, he;ll continue to put a square into a circle.

Did you watch NE pick Denver apart last year? I hope he changes the philosophy to a 'team' first.
When Shanahan was hired, no one was complaining about him changing the team philosophy or bringing his evil SF ways to Denver.
Change is good, let's see how it 'plays' out.

Broncoman13
03-25-2009, 07:33 AM
I also think that the Scheffler trade is probably off at this point. I think this ongoing situation with Jay will force the Broncos to keep him around as a "make peace" type of thing. Keeping Cutler comfortable is a piece of the strategy now. I wouldn't be surprised to see Scheff stick around. (of course, now that I say that he'll be traded tomorrow! ;D)

McD should understand that of all people. He was comfortable with a guy like Cassel, why wouldn't be understand Jay being comfortable with Scheff?

One last point regarding the maturity issues with Cutler. Cutler hasn't had a Tom Brady to learn from and model. Cassel had the perfect environment to become a good QB. He learned from guys like Weiss, Brady, McD, and Bilichick. And while Shanny is great to learn from, Heimerdinger wasn't all that special and Bates was cutting his teeth... and Ramsey and Hackney weren't exactly world beaters. To top matters off, Cutler was given the keys early on b/c he was a #1. Cassel had no choice but to work his ass off. Completely different mindsets there. Cutler will only improve with the tutelage of McD. He'll see that commitment and it will rub off on him, just as it did on Cassel. Back to being an exciting time for Bronco fans... if they can get this straightened out!

Cito Pelon
03-25-2009, 08:07 AM
Relax, They also ran a ton of zone blocking for Maroney in New England. The thing about adding the other stuff is so had Den the last 2 years. It will simply be playing with the %'s of how much zone to gap blocking they run. Plus, this OL is built to do both finally and they are getting to know each other after a year.

I'll start the blame game if they start sucking in preseason and beyond. Way too early to get into that.

Thank you. But, despite you being correct, I'm sure people will keep bringing up how Josh is trying to destroy the running game (and therefore the passing game also).

cmhargrove
03-25-2009, 08:08 AM
There are some real girls around here getting bent out of shape about possibly changing our offense.

Bulletin, changes aren't coming - they already hit us like a brick wall! Get used to it, Shanahan is gone. We do, however, still have Bobby Turner and Rick Dennison. They already coach certain styles that our line has responded to, maybe they will also teach some new ones. Chill out.

I thought some of our best football last year wasn't ZBS anyway. It was running out of the single back, shotgun set with Hillis in the backfield. It was straight gap assignment running. It kicked ass. (Partially because it forced other teams into Nickel coverage).

Can we just stop the whining around here? A lot of you guys are going to look like stupid asses if this comes off nicely for the team. And, I don't think you are very good Bronco fans for constantly complaining out of ignorance.

Watch what actually happens (on the field during an actual game), then you have the right to complain. Stop complaining about hypotheticals, it just sounds stupid after a while.

barryr
03-25-2009, 08:23 AM
The BS continues with posters. "Oh McDaniels is going to screw things up." No offense to any women around here, but we sure have a lot of girls posting lately.

Um, the Pats have been to 4 Super Bowls the last 7 seven years, but instead of copying some of their things, what, let's copy what the Lions do instead? Makes a lot of sense.

barryr
03-25-2009, 08:24 AM
There are some real girls around here getting bent out of shape about possibly changing our offense.

Bulletin, changes aren't coming - they already hit us like a brick wall! Get used to it, Shanahan is gone. We do, however, still have Bobby Turner and Rick Dennison. They already coach certain styles that our line has responded to, maybe they will also teach some new ones. Chill out.

I thought some of our best football last year wasn't ZBS anyway. It was running out of the single back, shotgun set with Hillis in the backfield. It was straight gap assignment running. It kicked ass. (Partially because it forced other teams into Nickel coverage).

Can we just stop the whining around here? A lot of you guys are going to look like stupid asses if this comes off nicely for the team. And, I don't think you are very good Bronco fans for constantly complaining out of ignorance.

Watch what actually happens (on the field during an actual game), then you have the right to complain. Stop complaining about hypotheticals, it just sounds stupid after a while.


Ah, you beat me to it. Thank you. What you said ^5

Inkana7
03-25-2009, 08:32 AM
Can someone tell McDaniels it alright to borrow ideas and scheme from other teams besides the Patriots. I was really hoping that he could merge the Patriots passing attack with the ZBS that Denver made effective, taking the best of both.

...that's...pretty much what the article says..

Kaylore
03-25-2009, 08:39 AM
I don't like what he's doing, but there's a difference between the run and the pass...

Thank you! Good grief I felt like I was in the twilight zone. There is nothing that changes about protections. And we pulled a guard more than a few times in our run games, people. Kuper was so fast on one that he knocked the ball out of Cutler's hand on the goal line because he got their before the handoff. Man schemes actually favor our tackles, who are man-beasts that can toss people about at will.

You know, you guys need to let it go. Shanahan is gone and that means, for better or worse, everything is on the table to be changed. The one thing I expected when Shanahan left the team is our legendary run scheme would go with him. Other places imitate it, but no one can replicate it like Shanahan. Now it wasn't exactly kick ass last season, either. In fact it hasn't been that great since Kubes left. So maybe these changes will help or at worst be a lateral move. I know one thing, though. I'm going to wait and see how the team does on game day before I call our coach stupid. If we win games and play physical for four quarters then you'll all look like chicken littles. At least give the guy a chance to show what he can do.

NYBronco
03-25-2009, 10:12 AM
Amazing... I think I will allow McDaniels to get several games under his belt before I become critical.

razorwire77
03-25-2009, 10:25 AM
Thank you! Good grief I felt like I was in the I know one thing, though. I'm going to wait and see how the team does on game day before I call our coach stupid. If we win games and play physical for four quarters then you'll all look like chicken littles. At least give the guy a chance to show what he can do.

No. No. No. Stop with all of the logical takes. It's all about irrational conjecture. McPoopy pants is going to incorporate some gap blocking and pull the guards more as part of his scheme. OMG, we're doomed, before the first preseason game. Our 16th ranked scoring offense, gone.

broncosteven
03-25-2009, 11:50 AM
He's only talking about pulling guards to attack a gap, instead of the zone in which the RB finds the cutback. Honestly you friggin Nancy boys are starting to irritate me.

What does a running scheme have to do with pass protection anyways? Let me guess you never played football?

This is the 1st think I have heard from MickyD that i liked. I think a mix of guards pulling and traditional ZBS will be a good.

It would be nice to allow the Oline to attack every now and then. Having a D looking for a gap play and getting a weak side pitch should open some holes.

I think a lot of teams have played more disciplined against the Denver run game the last couple of years. The big gains seem to be if a LB gets beat in the middle of the field and the run goes for up to 20 yards. I cannot remember the last big 50+ yard run.

Get teams to respect one thing than do another.

broncosteven
03-25-2009, 11:52 AM
.... I know one thing, though. I'm going to wait and see how the team does on game day before I call our coach stupid. If we win games and play physical for four quarters then you'll all look like chicken littles. At least give the guy a chance to show what he can do.

You mean McStupiD!

orange skier
03-25-2009, 12:05 PM
I have a lot of faith in Dennison, and our line personnel.......it's totally okay to have some new plays, and some new blood........it's not like we've lit up the board against the Chargers front seven........we've got to adjust and make some changes.........McD is going to prove to us that his system is his system, and not the Pats rehashed........

ayjackson
03-25-2009, 12:14 PM
It's like we've hired the Rolling Stones to be our house band, but everyone want them to play the Beatles.

Pony Boy
03-25-2009, 12:27 PM
No. No. No. Stop with all of the logical takes. It's all about irrational conjecture. McPoopy pants is going to incorporate some gap blocking and pull the guards more as part of his scheme. OMG, we're doomed, before the first preseason game. Our 16th ranked scoring offense, gone.

Oh No! Please don't tell the famous "cut block" will be thrown in the scrap pile too!

ZONA
03-25-2009, 12:37 PM
He's only talking about pulling guards to attack a gap, instead of the zone in which the RB finds the cutback. Honestly you friggin Nancy boys are starting to irritate me.

What does a running scheme have to do with pass protection anyways? Let me guess you never played football?

NO doubt. What idiots. Oh, Cutler is gonna be sacked more when we have our guards pulling on pass plays. Hahahaha, what morons.

I for one have always loved pulling linemen. You can really disrupt a defensive lines plans when a guard pulls. It's almost like the equivalent to a defensive line stunt.

And Mcd said he will use both so you little boys who just want to cry and moan anytime McD even opens his mouth, STFU already. We're getting sick of it.

Paladin
03-25-2009, 12:43 PM
I swear it seems some of you just wake up in the morning hoping for something to b**** about when it comes to McDaniels. It's spring, go outside for God's sake and do something.

QFT and AMEN!!!!!

BTW. Does anyone remember that Shanahan had a BIIIIG ego? Or is that reserved only for McD? I don't think he's going to "hang himself". He just might make most of the naysayers around here look like the fools.......

want2bAbronco2
03-25-2009, 12:46 PM
Oh no we wont even rush for a 100 yds the whole year and wont score more then 7 pts! The world is ending, things on a non-playoff team for 3yrs is changing! The pain the pain!

Paladin
03-25-2009, 12:47 PM
You mean McStupiD!

Now that is stupid....

Sounds like you got acne of the brain........

Popps
03-25-2009, 01:23 PM
Can someone tell McDaniels it alright to borrow ideas and scheme from other teams besides the Patriots. I was really hoping that he could merge the Patriots passing attack with the ZBS that Denver made effective, taking the best of both.

"That was really their bread-and-butter," McDaniels said. "We did more gap schemes in New England, where we're going to pull a guard. I can't give that up. That's kind of my baby. But you're going to see both."

The new running scheme will showcase the agility of Broncos guards Ben Hamilton and Chris Kuper.

Popps
03-25-2009, 01:25 PM
I swear it seems some of you just wake up in the morning hoping for something to b**** about when it comes to McDaniels. It's spring, go outside for God's sake and do something.

Exactly.

Beautiful day here in SoCal.

I thought this article had a bunch of positive stuff, outside of Marshall's issue.

BroncoMan4ever
03-25-2009, 03:36 PM
Can someone tell McDaniels it alright to borrow ideas and scheme from other teams besides the Patriots. I was really hoping that he could merge the Patriots passing attack with the ZBS that Denver made effective, taking the best of both.


that's what i thought too. i mean otherwise there was no real reason to keep Dennison or Turner if the system is going to be completely different than what they do.

cutthemdown
03-25-2009, 03:43 PM
This is the 1st think I have heard from MickyD that i liked. I think a mix of guards pulling and traditional ZBS will be a good.

It would be nice to allow the Oline to attack every now and then. Having a D looking for a gap play and getting a weak side pitch should open some holes.

I think a lot of teams have played more disciplined against the Denver run game the last couple of years. The big gains seem to be if a LB gets beat in the middle of the field and the run goes for up to 20 yards. I cannot remember the last big 50+ yard run.

Get teams to respect one thing than do another.


I totally agree that teams do play the zone scheme well now. We can get bigger plays from RBS and do better in the redzone, IMO, by attacking the gaps. This will be a good move for Broncos.

By attacking gap in the running game, along with a potent passing attack, we can get some big plays. If Cutler moves saftey's off the LOS, and then does some good play action stuff, then Broncos can attack a gap, get more blockers there then defenders, and open up some big holes for rb's.

Graham is such a good blocker he will be great at keeping the outside defenders from getting into the plays.

I also like Mcdaniels plan to use more 3 WR sets instead of using the TE split wide. I also like how he throws to the rbs not just as an outlet but as part of the gameplan. Throwing to RBS could be deadly if Cutler can get it going to the deep outs like he does. There won't be any dbacks patrolling the short flat, it will be all LB vs RB.

IMO Broncos left about 500 yrds on the field last yr because Cutler and Bates didn't throw to backs. That was probably some fault of injury but not all. Statistically speaking Pats have been doing a lot more to the rbs then Broncos last 3-4 yrs in the passing game.

oubronco
03-25-2009, 03:43 PM
Do you honestly believe he isn't changing the philosophy of the entire team? He wants it to be his team, and his team only. Anything Mike Shanahan has done in the past is being erased.

His ego is larger than his head, atleast we know who to point fingers to when we turn into a 4-12 team.

Had we not gone through 7 runningbacks, our running game would have been fine, I do not see a desperate need for a change. but since his scheme is the only one he knows, he;ll continue to put a square into a circle.

Haven't you heard he is going to run the New England Offense and they are going to be called the Denver Patriots too it's going to be great

Rock Chalk
03-25-2009, 03:45 PM
It never ceases to amaze me how poor the reading comprehension is here on the Mane.

Hercules Rockefeller
03-25-2009, 04:14 PM
It never ceases to amaze me how poor the reading comprehension is here on the Mane.

You'd think after awhile you'd become numb to it. But then a day later, it happens again, and the cycle starts over.