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montrose
03-24-2009, 07:35 PM
Source: Secrets Inside Cutler Trade Talks
By Josina Anderson, Fox 31 Denver

Several weeks ago, I called one of my NFL sources for information regarding the free agent market. I received what I expected, and something I didn't: a heads up about a "possible three-way trade in the near future."

I figured my source was talking about a deal outside of Denver; because clearly if they were holding a secret about a grain of salt in the Rocky Mountains my source would have spilled the beans even about that right then and there right?

Nope.

Never in my wildest dreams did I think that vague tip weeks ago was about Denver Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler, head coach Josh McDaniels, and the "Real World" episode airing about them daily on a television set now near you.

Unfortunately, the dots were finally connected for me in our conversation just (yes just) yesterday afternoon.

"Sorry, I'm so sorry Josina. I couldn't tell you at the time. [The secret trade talks] were too high up then. But, when I knew it was about to get out I tried to call you. Unfortunately I didn't have the phone with your number in it right then and there," my source explained pitifully.

Smile.

Clearly my source forgot about this radical invention called 411. You dial it on the phone nearest to you, and ask the operator to connect you to KDVR FOX 31 in Denver.

Lol.

After I finished yanking their chain for a good ten minutes over the phone, my source relented and revealed some rather interesting details about the now infamous Cutler trade that didn't materialize, and, their primary insight about Denver's A-list key players.

The first thing the source wanted to emphasize without hesitation was the fact that McDaniels definitely had his hand in the cookie jar.

Even though McDaniels characterized the Cutler trade talks as just “conversations,” in a recent interview with the NFL Network, and said that, “there wasn’t anything that we were trying to push hard to get through,” my source begged to differ in unbridled amusement.

"[Denver] was definitely negotiating. They were trying to get a trade in place and there is no doubt about that," said the league source.

“From Minnesota to Detroit to Tampa, although they got in the game late, Denver was trying to get something in place.”

As for why McDaniels was so hard pressed to roll Cutler out on the next Rocky Mountain train to “Anywhere but Here-land” my source (with primary knowledge of these conversations) said there were consistent themes in the coach’s concerns about Cutler.

(Again this was relayed to my ears, from their ears. The following is what was heard by my source in these trade whispers, not what FOX31 cites as definite facts about Cutler.)

The source said there are concerns about Cutler’s consumption of alcohol, and “that he’s not that sharp.”

“That scared the crap out of McDaniels,” the source said.

The source expanded their perspective of McDaniels’ concerns of Cutler learning and working in the Broncos’ new offensive scheme.

“This is a very complex situation. You have to be so smart to play his [McDaniels’] offense. [Tom] Brady and [Matt] Cassel are exceedingly smart quarterbacks. They are not the best athletes in the world but they both make really intelligent decisions. Cutler has a canon for an arm, but he doesn’t manage the game like those guys in critical situations. Brady and Cassel are workaholics. They have the stature, and they have the ability,” said the source.

Well everyone can argue about who they feel is the better quarterback between Cutler and Cassel now.

But at the end of the day, when it comes to the root of all of this drama in Denver, the source told FOX31 to point at New England and Kansas City.

“[Bill] Belichick had first round offers and then some for Cassel. Believe me, a lot of people knew that was on the table. But look at what Matt ended up going to Kansas City for nothing. (Matt Cassel and linebacker Mike Vrabel went to the Chiefs in exchange for a 2009 second round draft pick.) Trust me Bill wanted to pull the trigger on this one sooner rather than later. Then [Scott] Pioli [the Chiefs new General Manager and former Patriots personnel executive] was scared [edit]-less that he wasn’t going to end up with Cassel for a moment there because before he left [New England] Scott was [edit] sure he was going to get Matt-that’s why I feel he took the job in Kansas City. I am convinced it was [Belichick’s and Pioli’s master plan for [Pioli] to get Cassel all along when you watch how this played out.”

As for why Belichick ended up giving the Chiefs and Pioli such a sweetheart deal, the source opined some more.

“At the time all of this was going down, there’s was a part of me that felt like Belichick really wanted to take credit for Cassel. You see, I think if Matt goes to Kansas City, there is a chance he won’t be as good in the Chiefs’ system. Obviously if Cassel ended up in Denver, McDaniels can take more ownership of Matt’s success.”

But the league source told FOX31 sports that in his opinion Belichick took a lesser deal for Cassel in part to disassociate McDaniels’ work in Cassel’s accomplishments.

“I think Bill wants people to know that Brady and Cassel are successes because of his system. You see every other coach that left the Patriots has basically fallen flat on their face.”

As for who McDaniels will scout to replace Cutler if the Pro Bowl quarterback leaves?

“It will definitely have to be somebody who is smart enough to understand the intricacies of his system.”

And if Cutler is smart enough, he’ll make sure he convinces McDaniels he’s the guy not just physically but mentally as well.

“McDaniels has all the leverage he needs because Cutler is under contract, period. If Cutler tries to force his way out of there, plays for another team and performs poorly after all of this drama, his value will tank tremendously. Hopefully he decides to go back, but right now he is looking like an [edit].”

http://community.kdvr.com/_Source-Secrets-Inside-Cutler-Trade-Talks/BLOG/220410/96399.html?widgetId=161804

Los Broncos
03-24-2009, 07:36 PM
I wonder what he is poison is.

broncosteven
03-24-2009, 07:41 PM
I thought they had to dum down the gameplan for Plummer and they opened it up for Cutler.

Plus isn't Vandy a tough college? It was not like he went to USC or Ohio state.

montrose
03-24-2009, 07:42 PM
http://drunkathlete.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/jay_cutler_drunk_1-copy-400x275.jpg

http://drunkathlete.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/jay_cutler.jpg

PaintballCLE
03-24-2009, 07:42 PM
I thought they had to dum down the gameplan for Plummer and they opened it up for Cutler.

Plus isn't Vandy a tough college? It was not like he went to USC or Ohio state.

:cuss: :cuss: :cuss: :cuss: :cuss: :cuss: :cuss:

montrose
03-24-2009, 07:45 PM
I'm interested to see if this catches on nationally. At this point, I'd doubt it, but in a story this big it wouldn't take much for ESPN to jump all over these details.

halfcreek
03-24-2009, 07:48 PM
And people are going to talk about Cutler's consumption in trade talks? Another BS "league source".

broncosteven
03-24-2009, 07:49 PM
Wasn't John known to pound them hard and then drive home. I thought I read where the cops knew his route and would either back off or escort him.

TheDave
03-24-2009, 07:49 PM
So according to this "scoop" McDaniels was trying to trade Cutler 'cause he's a drunk and an idiot... So now the question is who the hell is Josina Anderson?

HEAV
03-24-2009, 07:50 PM
:cuss: :cuss: :cuss: :cuss: :cuss: :cuss: :cuss:

:spit:

Some people just don't realize the high academic standards of Ohio St. Biscally if you can pass the "High Street Shuffle" then your in!:D

DB Doom
03-24-2009, 07:51 PM
It's no telling what the hell will happen next, the longer this soap opera goes on.

Come on Jay. End it already.

Hercules Rockefeller
03-24-2009, 07:51 PM
Wasn't John known to pound them hard and then drive home. I thought I read where the cops knew his route and would either back off or escort him.

Whether it's true or not, it has been said for years.

halfcreek
03-24-2009, 07:52 PM
So according to this "scoop" McDaniels was trying to trade Cutler 'cause he's a drunk and an idiot... So now the question is who the hell is Josina Anderson?

A drunk and an idiot?

Man-Goblin
03-24-2009, 07:54 PM
And people are going to talk about Cutler's consumption in trade talks? Another BS "league source".
Well, give her some credit. She did break the star cap story before anyone in the national media did.

bombquixote
03-24-2009, 07:54 PM
This chick needs to write for a gossip wrag.







Lol.

Florida_Bronco
03-24-2009, 07:55 PM
Yeah, I'm calling BS on this too. The alcohol consumption I can understand, but Jay is plenty smart and his offseason study/workout habits were great.

TheDave
03-24-2009, 07:55 PM
A drunk and an idiot?


The source said there are concerns about Cutler’s consumption of alcohol, and “that he’s not that sharp.”


I took some liberty with the above ...

PaintballCLE
03-24-2009, 07:58 PM
:spit:

Some people just don't realize the high academic standards of Ohio St. Biscally if you can pass the "High Street Shuffle" then your in!:D

LOL........ well then that would explain why some people still can't get in and end up going to michigan ;D

maher_tyler
03-24-2009, 08:00 PM
http://drunkathlete.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/jay_cutler_drunk_1-copy-400x275.jpg

http://drunkathlete.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/jay_cutler.jpg

zowie! A 25 year old drinking BEER...no way..i can't believe this!!

watermock
03-24-2009, 08:00 PM
Well, I think this put to rest that Mcdummy as doing more than just picking up the phone, and added concern that Jay certainly has made it convient to indulge in Lodo to the extent he has his primary crib within stumbling distance from Earls.

broncosteven
03-24-2009, 08:01 PM
LOL........ well then that would explain why some people still can't get in and end up going to michigan ;D

Didn't mean to hit a sorespot but any place that churns out people like MoC can't be all that tough to get into.

manchambo
03-24-2009, 08:02 PM
And people are going to talk about Cutler's consumption in trade talks? Another BS "league source".

That right there hits it on the head. If McStupid thought that for an instant he would never utter a word to anyone and would go ahead with the trade. If there's a word of truth to this, things are even worse than I think they are in that front office. They may have a saboteur..

BigPlayShay
03-24-2009, 08:04 PM
So now the question is who the hell is Josina Anderson?

You mean you don't know Josina (aka the Denver Sports Insider, aka Jojo)?

http://community.kdvr.com/service/displayKickPlace.kickAction?u=7016156&as=96399&b=

she has broken numerous local and national sports stories including: the multiple positive tests for water pills in the NFL under the steroid policy; the tragic passing of Broncos cornerback Darrent Williams and Broncos running back Damien Nash; failed drug tests involving both NFL running backs Ricky Williams and Travis Henry; a season-ending injury to Kansas City Chiefs running back Larry Johnson; the releasing of Dre Bly by the Broncos and Tatum Bell by the Lions; a year's suspension for Buffalo Bills defensive end Anthony Hargrove to name a few.

Josina has conducted numerous local television exclusives. She interviewed Broncos Brandon Marshall and Marcus Thomas following their highly publicized arrests, Josh McDaniels’ father Thom the day his son was officially introduced as the head coach of the Denver Broncos via satellite, and had emotional sit-downs with both Darrent Williams' mother and friend Brandon Flowers who survived the violent limo shooting that fateful night.


All her journalistic accomplishments are a ray of sunshine. In other words, she is aka ****ing trouble. For some reason local athletes like to give her inside info. My guess is because she is giving the athletes inside access to her.

SoDak Bronco
03-24-2009, 08:04 PM
wow this is bs

Atwater His Ass
03-24-2009, 08:06 PM
This article is stupid.

halfcreek
03-24-2009, 08:08 PM
I took some liberty with the above ...

I was speculating on your question about Josina, not Cutler.:-*

montrose
03-24-2009, 08:09 PM
zowie! A 25 year old drinking BEER...no way..i can't believe this!!

A 25 year old DIABETIC drinking beer!8')

halfcreek
03-24-2009, 08:10 PM
Well, I think this put to rest that Mcdummy as doing more than just picking up the phone, and added concern that Jay certainly has made it convient to indulge in Lodo to the extent he has his primary crib within stumbling distance from Earls.

And we do this based on this report about talking to a source. We can put to rest any notion that any of these scoop artists are getting anything more than pooch production.

montrose
03-24-2009, 08:12 PM
Guys, not even Mort is bad enough to just make something up out of thin air. Not saying this "source" may be the most credible, but I'm certain somebody said something to her. And it's not like this is the first time something's been said for Jay's drinking habits. Hell, Kahn was texting me about while I was at the TB game last year. This is just the first time it's been reported by a news outlet. For those questioning her credibility, go through the archives and find something she was wrong on.

BigPlayShay
03-24-2009, 08:16 PM
Guys, not even Mort is bad enough to just make something up out of thin air. Not saying this "source" may be the most credible, but I'm certain somebody said something to her. And it's not like this is the first time something's been said for Jay's drinking habits. Hell, Kahn was texting me about while I was at the TB game last year. This is just the first time it's been reported by a news outlet. For those questioning her credibility, go through the archives and find something she was wrong on.

I don't question her credibility, I question her motives. She is the definition of yellow journalist.

Circle Orange
03-24-2009, 08:17 PM
HIC. Thik ah'll have a drink mushelf. HIC! http://scosoft.com/s/i/38feb661.gif

and on and on and on and on...

PaintballCLE
03-24-2009, 08:17 PM
Didn't mean to hit a sorespot but any place that churns out people like MoC can't be all that tough to get into.

lol its all good........ i don't go there.......i go to cleveland state.......but the buckeyes are the team i root for. But to answer that.........I am pretty sure if your good at football, you can pretty much get into any school through an athletic scholarship. I think they kinda waive the entry requirements lol

Hercules Rockefeller
03-24-2009, 08:18 PM
Whoa, she reported on Jay's drinking habits. Someone stop the presses!!! She's got scoop that anyone who regularly frequents Maloney's has.

watermock
03-24-2009, 08:19 PM
Wasn't John known to pound them hard and then drive home. I thought I read where the cops knew his route and would either back off or escort him.

From what I read/heard, (and this a was the 80's not today), that essentially they knew where John was drinking, and thety would"keep an eye on him" and "hand him off" to Cherry Creek police then the gate guard would tuck him in.

University is/was a pretty easy drive.

Now, it doesn't matter if you can "hold" your liquor I guess. And JMI,. drinking beer, despite what they say, doesn't get you drunk like shots or scotch on he rocks, simply cause it's faster and diluted.

VFW's were famous for leniency in the ole days, aww, we just wanted to make sure ole Joe was carefull driving home..

It's just how it was...

maher_tyler
03-24-2009, 08:20 PM
A 25 year old DIABETIC drinking beer!8')

You don't know the date of those pics..could have been taken before he knew. Its hard to tie him supposedly drinking and the way he played considering how bad the D has been and lack of a consistant run game. I think its being blown out of porportion just a bit..IMO.

Man-Goblin
03-24-2009, 08:20 PM
Guys, not even Mort is bad enough to just make something up out of thin air. Not saying this "source" may be the most credible, but I'm certain somebody said something to her. And it's not like this is the first time something's been said for Jay's drinking habits. Hell, Kahn was texting me about while I was at the TB game last year. This is just the first time it's been reported by a news outlet. For those questioning her credibility, go through the archives and find something she was wrong on.

Exactly. For all we know McDaniels asked/mandated for Jay to get help with his supposed problem and that is what sparked their friction (I'm not saying that's the case, I'm just sayin).

I can understand how a source that drops both an S and an F'N bomb over the course of a few sentences can be questioned, though. But I don't think she goes live with this thing, nor would her editors let her, if it didn't have some sort of legs.

eddie mac
03-24-2009, 08:26 PM
She lost me at "Belicheat didn't want to trade Cassel to Denver incase McDaniels took credit for his development"

Get ta **** outta here.:giggle:

BroncoMan4ever
03-24-2009, 08:30 PM
what is so hard aboutr McDaniels system? it's basically just look for Moss, if 2 or less guys are on him, put it in the air, if he has more than 2 guys on him dump it off to welker, if both are covered, toss it up for moss.

BabyTO
03-24-2009, 08:30 PM
Haha, Jay Cutler is gonna go nuts if he reads this. No way he comes back after reading this. No way.

summerdenver
03-24-2009, 08:32 PM
Thanks to the various posts of Montrose, by now I have been well informed that Jay Culter is an alcoholic, not smart enough for this highly complex system, bad fit for this offense.

The only thing new in this article to me is that JMac was seriously negotiating a trade and all the talk about Bowlen not knowing about it is just a hog wash.

So which statements of Jmac should we believe now. Is he really committed to teaching Jay his offense or not?

HEAV
03-24-2009, 08:34 PM
You don't know the date of those pics..could have been taken before he knew. Its hard to tie him supposedly drinking and the way he played considering how bad the D has been and lack of a consistant run game. I think its being blown out of porportion just a bit..IMO.

Khan had a post a few day's ago about Jay drinking last season, sometimes all alone and on Friday's before a road game.

Br0nc0Buster
03-24-2009, 08:34 PM
She lost me at "Belicheat didn't want to trade Cassel to Denver incase McDaniels took credit for his development"

Get ta **** outta here.:giggle:

No crap, that is beyond stupid

Belicheck has 3 rings already, but still feel he needs to prove Cassel was his doing.

This sounds like that "Belicheck took a lesser deal because he was pissed when we signed Paxton" crap

yerner
03-24-2009, 08:35 PM
That is some pussy ass journalism. Calling him a drunk in the paper. Just some real low brow ****.

Somebody go tell Lawarence Taylor that none his games count cause he was intoxicated.

Ratboy
03-24-2009, 08:35 PM
She is a hack.

SureShot
03-24-2009, 08:47 PM
zowie! A 25 year old drinking BEER...no way..i can't believe this!!

I know if only Montrose really knew the horrors!

SureShot
03-24-2009, 08:48 PM
Khan had a post a few day's ago about Jay drinking last season, sometimes all alone and on Friday's before a road game.

TWO DAYS BEFORE GAME DAY! TRADE HIS ASS!

lostknight
03-24-2009, 08:50 PM
Let me think about this for a second. Jay Cutler is too dumb for Belicheck's offense? As opposed to Mike Shanahan's offense? The patriot-centric attitude of the media and McDaniels is annoying, but if they believe this, they just flunked the wonderlic.

watermock
03-24-2009, 08:51 PM
Charles Barkely HAS to give his position on this...HAS to...before I will form an opinion.

WABronco
03-24-2009, 08:53 PM
what is so hard aboutr McDaniels system? it's basically just look for Moss, if 2 or less guys are on him, put it in the air, if he has more than 2 guys on him dump it off to welker, if both are covered, toss it up for moss.

Very accurate assessment there, I'm sure.

Rohirrim
03-24-2009, 08:55 PM
:rofl: This gets better every day.

HEAV
03-24-2009, 08:56 PM
Charles Barkely HAS to give his position on this...HAS to...before I will form an opinion.

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lostknight
03-24-2009, 08:56 PM
Guys. someone in the organization leaked this. To a Rita Skeeter.

It's things like this that could really really backfire permanently. What player is going to want to play for a team that airs dirty laundry about players it has disagreements.

Sounds very Bellicheck-esque to me.

watermock
03-24-2009, 08:57 PM
Let me think about this for a second. Jay Cutler is too dumb for Belicheck's offense? As opposed to Mike Shanahan's offense? The patriot-centric attitude of the media and McDaniels is annoying, but if they believe this, they just flunked the wonderlic.

I don't see anything "complex" about the Billicheat's offense either, other than the terminology is Parcells, not Walsh.

Hercules Rockefeller
03-24-2009, 09:01 PM
Guys. someone in the organization leaked this. To a Rita Skeeter.

It's things like this that could really really backfire permanently. What player is going to want to play for a team that airs dirty laundry about players it has disagreements.

Sounds very Bellicheck-esque to me.

Do you always believe everything you read on the Internetz?

lostknight
03-24-2009, 09:04 PM
Do you always believe everything you read on the Internetz?

Only when it's obvious that someone has a bone to pick with Cutler and is using the press to accomplish it.

You don't make up sources. That leads to nasty headlines about corrupt reporters.

outdoor_miner
03-24-2009, 09:05 PM
And people are going to talk about Cutler's consumption in trade talks? Another BS "league source".


Seriously, that is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Why the hell would the Broncos let it get out that they were concerned with Jay's drinking if they were trying to get rid of him??? This is seriously the worst piece of reporting I've ever seen come out of a legit news outlet... lol? And the source calls a few days before the trade, but then doesn't call back for 3 weeks after because he lost her number? WTF?

Hercules Rockefeller
03-24-2009, 09:07 PM
You don't make up sources. That leads to nasty headlines about corrupt reporters.

No, your sources can just suck despite how much said source thinks they are in the know.

Popps
03-24-2009, 09:09 PM
But the league source told FOX31 sports that in his opinion Belichick took a lesser deal for Cassel in part to disassociate McDaniels’ work in Cassel’s accomplishments.

That's the goddamned stupidest thing I've ever read.

(O.K... not ever, but today, for sure.)

(But, the day young.)

(Still, it was ****ing stupid.)

Pony Boy
03-24-2009, 09:19 PM
So are all drunks right or just young guys having a little fun

Pony Boy
03-24-2009, 09:21 PM
Kyle Orton

Pony Boy
03-24-2009, 09:24 PM
Rex Grossman

SureShot
03-24-2009, 09:25 PM
Drink like a champion!

23813

Pony Boy
03-24-2009, 09:30 PM
And the winner is !

Popps
03-24-2009, 09:32 PM
Rex Grossman

:rofl:

Haven't seen that one.

bronco militia
03-24-2009, 09:32 PM
http://www.kdvr.com/media/photo/2009-01/44679837.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_2LN-qVAZU7c/RkMEvO1ht3I/AAAAAAAAAS0/R-XfzrvyFnM/s400/predator.bmp

halfcreek
03-24-2009, 09:34 PM
Guys. someone in the organization leaked this. To a Rita Skeeter.

It's things like this that could really really backfire permanently. What player is going to want to play for a team that airs dirty laundry about players it has disagreements.

Sounds very Bellicheck-esque to me.

And you know this how? Speculating on speculation on speculation from a "league source." Got me convinced. Gotta be the front office.

outdoor_miner
03-24-2009, 09:35 PM
Guys. someone in the organization leaked this. To a Rita Skeeter.

It's things like this that could really really backfire permanently. What player is going to want to play for a team that airs dirty laundry about players it has disagreements.

Sounds very Bellicheck-esque to me.

You really believe anyone in the Broncos would leak this? What, exactly, would it accomplish. The only things it can accomplish are weaken Cutler's trade value or make him want to leave. And it's become pretty clear that the Broncos want Cutler to stay, or trade him for a King's ransom. Neither of which is helped by this...

watermock
03-24-2009, 09:36 PM
http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/images/gallery/matt-leinart-college-girls-get-drunk.jpg...............

SureShot
03-24-2009, 09:36 PM
And the winner is !

Wrong. Northwester soccer team.

23815

Archer81
03-24-2009, 09:42 PM
Article is a little hard to get through without BS detectors going off.


:Broncos:

Archer81
03-24-2009, 09:47 PM
http://tinyurl.com/d2mvuk



What the **** is he doing?

:Broncos:

baja
03-24-2009, 09:51 PM
Source: Secrets Inside Cutler Trade Talks
By Josina Anderson, Fox 31 Denver

Several weeks ago, I called one of my NFL sources for information regarding the free agent market. I received what I expected, and something I didn't: a heads up about a "possible three-way trade in the near future."

I figured my source was talking about a deal outside of Denver; because clearly if they were holding a secret about a grain of salt in the Rocky Mountains my source would have spilled the beans even about that right then and there right?

Nope.

Never in my wildest dreams did I think that vague tip weeks ago was about Denver Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler, head coach Josh McDaniels, and the "Real World" episode airing about them daily on a television set now near you.

Unfortunately, the dots were finally connected for me in our conversation just (yes just) yesterday afternoon.

"Sorry, I'm so sorry Josina. I couldn't tell you at the time. [The secret trade talks] were too high up then. But, when I knew it was about to get out I tried to call you. Unfortunately I didn't have the phone with your number in it right then and there," my source explained pitifully.

Smile.

Clearly my source forgot about this radical invention called 411. You dial it on the phone nearest to you, and ask the operator to connect you to KDVR FOX 31 in Denver.

Lol.

After I finished yanking their chain for a good ten minutes over the phone, my source relented and revealed some rather interesting details about the now infamous Cutler trade that didn't materialize, and, their primary insight about Denver's A-list key players.

The first thing the source wanted to emphasize without hesitation was the fact that McDaniels definitely had his hand in the cookie jar.

Even though McDaniels characterized the Cutler trade talks as just “conversations,” in a recent interview with the NFL Network, and said that, “there wasn’t anything that we were trying to push hard to get through,” my source begged to differ in unbridled amusement.

"[Denver] was definitely negotiating. They were trying to get a trade in place and there is no doubt about that," said the league source.

“From Minnesota to Detroit to Tampa, although they got in the game late, Denver was trying to get something in place.”

As for why McDaniels was so hard pressed to roll Cutler out on the next Rocky Mountain train to “Anywhere but Here-land” my source (with primary knowledge of these conversations) said there were consistent themes in the coach’s concerns about Cutler.

(Again this was relayed to my ears, from their ears. The following is what was heard by my source in these trade whispers, not what FOX31 cites as definite facts about Cutler.)

The source said there are concerns about Cutler’s consumption of alcohol, and “that he’s not that sharp.”

“That scared the crap out of McDaniels,” the source said.

The source expanded their perspective of McDaniels’ concerns of Cutler learning and working in the Broncos’ new offensive scheme.

“This is a very complex situation. You have to be so smart to play his [McDaniels’] offense. [Tom] Brady and [Matt] Cassel are exceedingly smart quarterbacks. They are not the best athletes in the world but they both make really intelligent decisions. Cutler has a canon for an arm, but he doesn’t manage the game like those guys in critical situations. Brady and Cassel are workaholics. They have the stature, and they have the ability,” said the source.

Well everyone can argue about who they feel is the better quarterback between Cutler and Cassel now.

But at the end of the day, when it comes to the root of all of this drama in Denver, the source told FOX31 to point at New England and Kansas City.

“[Bill] Belichick had first round offers and then some for Cassel. Believe me, a lot of people knew that was on the table. But look at what Matt ended up going to Kansas City for nothing. (Matt Cassel and linebacker Mike Vrabel went to the Chiefs in exchange for a 2009 second round draft pick.) Trust me Bill wanted to pull the trigger on this one sooner rather than later. Then [Scott] Pioli [the Chiefs new General Manager and former Patriots personnel executive] was scared [edit]-less that he wasn’t going to end up with Cassel for a moment there because before he left [New England] Scott was [edit] sure he was going to get Matt-that’s why I feel he took the job in Kansas City. I am convinced it was [Belichick’s and Pioli’s master plan for [Pioli] to get Cassel all along when you watch how this played out.”

As for why Belichick ended up giving the Chiefs and Pioli such a sweetheart deal, the source opined some more.

“At the time all of this was going down, there’s was a part of me that felt like Belichick really wanted to take credit for Cassel. You see, I think if Matt goes to Kansas City, there is a chance he won’t be as good in the Chiefs’ system. Obviously if Cassel ended up in Denver, McDaniels can take more ownership of Matt’s success.”

But the league source told FOX31 sports that in his opinion Belichick took a lesser deal for Cassel in part to disassociate McDaniels’ work in Cassel’s accomplishments.

“I think Bill wants people to know that Brady and Cassel are successes because of his system. You see every other coach that left the Patriots has basically fallen flat on their face.”

As for who McDaniels will scout to replace Cutler if the Pro Bowl quarterback leaves?

“It will definitely have to be somebody who is smart enough to understand the intricacies of his system.”

And if Cutler is smart enough, he’ll make sure he convinces McDaniels he’s the guy not just physically but mentally as well.

“McDaniels has all the leverage he needs because Cutler is under contract, period. If Cutler tries to force his way out of there, plays for another team and performs poorly after all of this drama, his value will tank tremendously. Hopefully he decides to go back, but right now he is looking like an [edit].”

http://community.kdvr.com/_Source-Secrets-Inside-Cutler-Trade-Talks/BLOG/220410/96399.html?widgetId=161804

There you have it Miami gets Cutler and we get Brian Griese and a ham sandwich.

Archer81
03-24-2009, 09:52 PM
http://tinyurl.com/c563yr


Kyle Boller...nice hat.


:Broncos:

baja
03-24-2009, 09:54 PM
Told ya the drinking alone was a big fat red flag

Pony Boy
03-24-2009, 09:57 PM
http://tinyurl.com/d2mvuk



What the **** is he doing?

:Broncos:

Let's hope he's sucking the venom out a snake bite a snake bite!

SouthStndJunkie
03-24-2009, 09:59 PM
If there is any shard of truth to McDaniels being concerned about Cutler's drinking and Cutler catches wind of this....he will tell Denver to go **** themselves permanently....you don't air/leak dirty laundry like this.

Archer81
03-24-2009, 09:59 PM
Let's hope he's sucking the venom out a snake bite a snake bite!



Yes..."snake" bite...


:Broncos:

Archer81
03-24-2009, 10:00 PM
If there is any shard of truth to McDaniels being concerned about Cutler's drinking and Cutler catches wind of this....he will tell Denver to go **** themselves permanently....you don't air/leak dirty laundry like this.



Unless its yet another BS story. Or, its true, and Jay knows he drinks too damn much for a dude with the betes, and no one will sign a medical worry to any contract for anything.


:Broncos:

baja
03-24-2009, 10:06 PM
If there is any shard of truth to McDaniels being concerned about Cutler's drinking and Cutler catches wind of this....he will tell Denver to go **** themselves permanently....<b>you don't air/leak dirty laundry like this.


That's for sure, it makes for a lose / lose situtation.

Either you get as guy that really hates you now or you get a ham sandwich without mayo if you trade.

SouthStndJunkie
03-24-2009, 10:07 PM
I wonder how long until Mike Florio and PFT pick up this story?

baja
03-24-2009, 10:14 PM
I wonder how long until Mike Florio and PFT pick up this story?

This is the one thing I was worried about if this gets legs than Jay is going to have to come and play lights out to save his career.


Could this be an underlying reason for the firing of Shanahan?

BroncoDoug
03-24-2009, 10:14 PM
That Orton pic is just disturbing...

baja
03-24-2009, 10:20 PM
This angle lends credibility to my take that McD was lying about keeping Cut in his presser. I think the Broncos want to move jay and it's about problem drinking and a dim mind. All moves now are to maximize his trade value. I still think he will end up in Dallas with Shanny pulling strings in the back ground.

TheDave
03-24-2009, 10:24 PM
(Again this was relayed to my ears, from their ears. The following is what was heard by my source in these trade whispers, not what FOX31 cites as definite facts about Cutler.)

The source said there are concerns about Cutler’s consumption of alcohol, and “that he’s not that sharp.”

“That scared the crap out of McDaniels,” the source said.

FWIW the section above has now been edited out of her blog...

baja
03-24-2009, 10:26 PM
FWIW the section above has now been edited out of her blog...
Good news now delete this thread.

TheDave
03-24-2009, 10:33 PM
Good news now delete this thread.

I'm guessing the lawyers got involved... ;D

SportinOne
03-24-2009, 10:43 PM
Wasn't John known to pound them hard and then drive home. I thought I read where the cops knew his route and would either back off or escort him.

That is probably the most awesome thing i've read today.. just awesome..

SportinOne
03-24-2009, 10:45 PM
Even if this is true.. WOAAAHHH, big surprise that a football player likes to drink.

Hey guess what else, cheerleaders like to date football players based solely on the fact that they are football players.

Really?

No, I'm dead serious.

Wow, that is.. wow.

SouthStndJunkie
03-24-2009, 10:49 PM
Wasn't John known to pound them hard and then drive home. I thought I read where the cops knew his route and would either back off or escort him.

Like I have said before....Elway was lucky that the early portion of his career occurred before the Internet, blogs, posting boards, and 24/7/365 news reporting.

He would have been crucified and scrutinized much like Jay Cutler is right now. Elway thought it was bad when the local newspapers were reporting what he gave out for Halloween. That was nothing compared to the microscope these guys are under now.

Seriously....this Jay Cutler story has been on sports talk radio and tv every day for what seems like weeks. The media is working every single angle and keeping it fresh.

cutthemdown
03-24-2009, 10:53 PM
Even if this is true.. WOAAAHHH, big surprise that a football player likes to drink.

Hey guess what else, cheerleaders like to date football players based solely on the fact that they are football players.

Really?

No, I'm dead serious.

Wow, that is.. wow.

People with diabetes shouldn't really be ever drinking to the point of being drunk. Maybe 1-2 beers, something like that. I'm no doctor but am I wrong about that? The alcohol doesn't mix well with drugs made to control blood sugar etc.

no-pseudo-fan
03-24-2009, 10:54 PM
If drinking a lot was a reason to get traded, no one would be on the team. My brother in law has worked many of these football players golf weekends, and the stories of them knocking them back and getting hooked up with 19 year old girls is pretty funny stuff.

Taco John
03-24-2009, 10:55 PM
People with diabetes shouldn't really be ever drinking to the point of being drunk. Maybe 1-2 beers, something like that. I'm no doctor but am I wrong about that? The alcohol doesn't mix well with drugs made to control blood sugar etc.


It will lead to kidney and liver problems eventually.

SouthStndJunkie
03-24-2009, 10:56 PM
If drinking a lot was a reason to get traded, no one would be on the team. My brother in law has worked many of these football players golf weekends, and the stories of them knocking them back and getting hooked up with 19 year old girls is pretty funny stuff.

Mmmmmm.....19 year old chicks.

Getting older sucks.

baja
03-24-2009, 10:57 PM
Even if this is true.. WOAAAHHH, big surprise that a football player likes to drink.

Hey guess what else, cheerleaders like to date football players based solely on the fact that they are football players.

Really?

No, I'm dead serious.

Wow, that is.. wow.

Drinking alone to get drunk is very different than partying with your buds.

Taco John
03-24-2009, 11:03 PM
If drinking a lot was a reason to get traded, no one would be on the team. My brother in law has worked many of these football players golf weekends, and the stories of them knocking them back and getting hooked up with 19 year old girls is pretty funny stuff.


There's a restaurant in San Diego that a lot of NFL'ers both young and old like to frequent. I went there once with some guys who were tight with the owner of the place, and had drinks and cigars all night with the guy as he told story after outrageous story of how these guys party. And he named names! My jaw was in my lap. I heard stories that I couldn't believe. And the cherry on top of the cake for the evening was how Marcus Allen got traded because he was playing doctor with Al Davis's wife.

I don't know if any of the stories were true. They were just stories. Really detailed stories that seemed to come spontaneously as though the guy were recalling them from the top of his head...

They're just fellas.

But one thing that I have a hard time pardoning is getting drunk the night before the game. I've heard stories like this through back channels about Jay for a long time now. I suppose he's still a young immature guy. And I suppose we heard these stories about Elway, even in his glory days... but it's still a problem for me when I hear about it.

Popps
03-24-2009, 11:39 PM
From whence to the drinking-alone stories emanate?

Circle Orange
03-24-2009, 11:45 PM
have you ever heard of so many 'unamed sources' in your life? I swear, it's like people are running around making up stuff because news is slow. :thumbsdow

Hulamau
03-25-2009, 12:35 AM
A 25 year old DIABETIC drinking beer!8')

True, 25 year old's drinking beer is par for the course, yet doing so and getting really pissed regularly (presuming for the sake of this argument that is an actual valid concern here which isn't clear to me yet at all), with type 1 Diabetes isn't the smartest move by a long shot , perhaps adding credence to the other claim about his candlepower upstairs?

On the other hand there are plenty of smart people, no doubt fully capable of learning such a playbook and system, who do stupid things every day so while a lot of drinking while diabetic is a clear sign of an idiotic behavior, it doesn't necessarily mean Jay couldn't learn and excel with this system.

And one photo of a drunk QB doesn't make for a serious drinking problem. Nevertheless, I can certainly see that if this opinion of Jay as a heavy drinker has a lot more evidence behind it than presented so far, that it would be real cause for concern for McD, regardless of Jays IQ and ability to command this complex offense and make good snap decisions under fire.

lex
03-25-2009, 12:44 AM
Source: Secrets Inside Cutler Trade Talks
By Josina Anderson, Fox 31 Denver

Several weeks ago, I called one of my NFL sources for information regarding the free agent market. I received what I expected, and something I didn't: a heads up about a "possible three-way trade in the near future."

I figured my source was talking about a deal outside of Denver; because clearly if they were holding a secret about a grain of salt in the Rocky Mountains my source would have spilled the beans even about that right then and there right?

Nope.

Never in my wildest dreams did I think that vague tip weeks ago was about Denver Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler, head coach Josh McDaniels, and the "Real World" episode airing about them daily on a television set now near you.

Unfortunately, the dots were finally connected for me in our conversation just (yes just) yesterday afternoon.

"Sorry, I'm so sorry Josina. I couldn't tell you at the time. [The secret trade talks] were too high up then. But, when I knew it was about to get out I tried to call you. Unfortunately I didn't have the phone with your number in it right then and there," my source explained pitifully.

Smile.

Clearly my source forgot about this radical invention called 411. You dial it on the phone nearest to you, and ask the operator to connect you to KDVR FOX 31 in Denver.

Lol.

After I finished yanking their chain for a good ten minutes over the phone, my source relented and revealed some rather interesting details about the now infamous Cutler trade that didn't materialize, and, their primary insight about Denver's A-list key players.





WTF!!!???

Bob's your Information Minister
03-25-2009, 12:54 AM
So you guys have a dumb quarterback now? And we have a smart one?

Just checking.

lex
03-25-2009, 12:57 AM
So you guys have a dumb quarterback now? And we have a smart one?

Just checking.

Im guessing you didnt go to Vanderbilt.

Florida_Bronco
03-25-2009, 01:06 AM
Im guessing you didnt go to Vanderbilt.

I'm guessing he just barely graduated high school.

lex
03-25-2009, 01:07 AM
This bit about McDaniels being concerned about Jays alcohol consumption is actually believable. In his interview today, he said its not that he thinks Cassel is more talented. He also said he wanted to talk to Jay and that Denver is committed to Jay if he's committed to them. This could actually be a reference to his lifestyle (among other things). I cant think of anything that has happened or been said that conflicts with this possibility. If McDaniels wants a one on one to confront him about his alcohol consumption, I can respect that.

Popps
03-25-2009, 01:11 AM
This bit about McDaniels being concerned about Jays alcohol consumption is actually believable. In his interview today, he said its not that he thinks Cassel is more talented. He also said he wanted to talk to Jay and that Denver is committed to Jay if he's committed to them. This could actually be a reference to his lifestyle (among other things). I cant think of anything that has happened or been said that conflicts with this possibility. If McDaniels wants a one on one to confront him about his alcohol consumption, I can respect that.

I have a hard time believing the alcohol angle, at this stage. I just can't believe Jay would jeopardize his health in such a major way.

But, I can't rule it out, either, and if you want to take the conspiracy theory a little deeper, the unwillingness of Cutler to have a face to face could be part of it. Is Jay having a little problem with the booze and doesn't want to confront it?

For disclosure, I don't think that's really the case. I think Cutler probably had a party-rep, which may have gotten around. I'd guess it's attitude issues that are more problematic, at this stage.

SportinOne
03-25-2009, 02:24 AM
I never thought about the 'beetus angle. Hopefully Jay isn't stupid enough to risk living a very short life for a few nights out on the town.

DeusExManning
03-25-2009, 02:41 AM
Popps do you get a boner when anything negative is said about Cutler. Does it make you happy?

Hulamau
03-25-2009, 03:25 AM
There's a restaurant in San Diego that a lot of NFL'ers both young and old like to frequent. I went there once with some guys who were tight with the owner of the place, and had drinks and cigars all night with the guy as he told story after outrageous story of how these guys party. And he named names! My jaw was in my lap. I heard stories that I couldn't believe. And the cherry on top of the cake for the evening was how Marcus Allen got traded because he was playing doctor with Al Davis's wife.

I don't know if any of the stories were true. They were just stories. Really detailed stories that seemed to come spontaneously as though the guy were recalling them from the top of his head...

They're just fellas.

But one thing that I have a hard time pardoning is getting drunk the night before the game. I've heard stories like this through back channels about Jay for a long time now. I suppose he's still a young immature guy. And I suppose we heard these stories about Elway, even in his glory days... but it's still a problem for me when I hear about it.

Don't recall stories of Elway getting sauced the night before a game???

fontaine
03-25-2009, 03:47 AM
Now Cutler has to prove he has to be smart enough to run McDaniels system?

I understand it's hard to digest and retain info when there's so much bs going around but here are some facts about Cutler's progression:

1. The playbook was "opened" up when Cutler took over from Plummer.
2. Shanahan runs one of the most complicated offenses in the league for a QB and Cutler was progressing nicely from that.
3. Last offseason Shanahan made it a point to look at the Patriots wide open passing offense and implemented a lot of their plays into our system which Jay executed very well without the benefit from a running game.


So now all of a sudden Jay is too dumb to run a system that Shanahan incorporated for our own offense last year in which he put up pro bowl numbers?

TheReverend
03-25-2009, 04:51 AM
Well let's be realistic.

Michigan and USC are known for having far superior academic requirements than Vanderbilt. So those concerns have to be legit

Ha!

DB Doom
03-25-2009, 05:03 AM
rollin' down the hill, snowballin'..gettin' bigger..the explosion in the chamber..the finger on the trigger.
sorry but this is all getting so ridiculous.
I long for normalcy to this situation.

socalorado
03-25-2009, 06:08 AM
This is all BS.
Josina=yellow hack. This wench has had an agenda for a while now.
Does anyone have a email to FOXDEN so i can complain about slandering someone name in the media?

Broncoman13
03-25-2009, 06:17 AM
I think Lex finally nailed one! If McD's concern is Alcohol and he wants to have a one on one to discuss that amongst other things... how can you not respect that?

25 year olds are going to party. I know I sure as hell did. But I also knew that my work came first. I was responsible enough to party when the time was right.

Pure speculation and very much a "what if" type of scenario, but during those two weeks of Jay coming in to Dove Valley and learning the plays... what if he constantly reeked of alcohol? Just wondering, not saying that was the case and I haven't heard anything that would suggest that was the case. But IF that occurred, it would kind of scare me as a coach/manger/leader.

Broncoman13
03-25-2009, 06:17 AM
This bit about McDaniels being concerned about Jays alcohol consumption is actually believable. In his interview today, he said its not that he thinks Cassel is more talented. He also said he wanted to talk to Jay and that Denver is committed to Jay if he's committed to them. This could actually be a reference to his lifestyle (among other things). I cant think of anything that has happened or been said that conflicts with this possibility. If McDaniels wants a one on one to confront him about his alcohol consumption, I can respect that.

REP. I guess the sun does shine on a dog's ass every now and then!
:thumbs:

bpc
03-25-2009, 06:26 AM
How do you do all this drinking when you're diabetic like he is?????

El Guapo
03-25-2009, 06:26 AM
Any article or write up that usues "Lol" immediately discredits anything that is said within it. This is trash.

WolfpackGuy
03-25-2009, 06:32 AM
Drink up, Jay. It works every time.

<img src=http://www.rollogrady.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/billydeesign.jpg>

barryr
03-25-2009, 06:38 AM
Hmm, seems to some, any article that shows McDaniels in a bad light, it's legit, but anything that shows Cutler in a bad way is BS. Interesting.

This isn't the first time Cutler and alcohol has been mentioned. I hope if it's true, that Cutler starts to change his way and focus on what's more important. Is drinking more important that getting a big contract? Maybe Cook should be more concerned with that about his client before anything else, assuming he really cares about him and not just lining his own pocket.

Sean LaChapelle
03-25-2009, 06:46 AM
Shanahan took the compromising photos of the Denver press with him when he left. No fear or respect for the new kid in town

Broncoman13
03-25-2009, 06:50 AM
How do you do all this drinking when you're diabetic like he is?????

That's the concern many of us have here... If you're questioning whether there is a perceived issue here, make no doubt about it, the perception is that Cutler like to tie one on. I've seen plenty of pictures with Leinart and Rothlisberger and name your QB here drinking it up. So, I'm not sure how big of an issue it is, other than the "beetus" to go along with the drinking.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
03-25-2009, 06:52 AM
Source: Secrets Inside Cutler Trade Talks
By Josina Anderson, Fox 31 Denver

Several weeks ago, I called one of my NFL sources for information regarding the free agent market. I received what I expected, and something I didn't: a heads up about a "possible three-way trade in the near future."

I figured my source was talking about a deal outside of Denver; because clearly if they were holding a secret about a grain of salt in the Rocky Mountains my source would have spilled the beans even about that right then and there right?

Nope.

Never in my wildest dreams did I think that vague tip weeks ago was about Denver Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler, head coach Josh McDaniels, and the "Real World" episode airing about them daily on a television set now near you.

Unfortunately, the dots were finally connected for me in our conversation just (yes just) yesterday afternoon.

"Sorry, I'm so sorry Josina. I couldn't tell you at the time. [The secret trade talks] were too high up then. But, when I knew it was about to get out I tried to call you. Unfortunately I didn't have the phone with your number in it right then and there," my source explained pitifully.

Smile.

Clearly my source forgot about this radical invention called 411. You dial it on the phone nearest to you, and ask the operator to connect you to KDVR FOX 31 in Denver.

Lol.

After I finished yanking their chain for a good ten minutes over the phone, my source relented and revealed some rather interesting details about the now infamous Cutler trade that didn't materialize, and, their primary insight about Denver's A-list key players.

The first thing the source wanted to emphasize without hesitation was the fact that McDaniels definitely had his hand in the cookie jar.

Even though McDaniels characterized the Cutler trade talks as just “conversations,” in a recent interview with the NFL Network, and said that, “there wasn’t anything that we were trying to push hard to get through,” my source begged to differ in unbridled amusement.

"[Denver] was definitely negotiating. They were trying to get a trade in place and there is no doubt about that," said the league source.

“From Minnesota to Detroit to Tampa, although they got in the game late, Denver was trying to get something in place.”

As for why McDaniels was so hard pressed to roll Cutler out on the next Rocky Mountain train to “Anywhere but Here-land” my source (with primary knowledge of these conversations) said there were consistent themes in the coach’s concerns about Cutler.

(Again this was relayed to my ears, from their ears. The following is what was heard by my source in these trade whispers, not what FOX31 cites as definite facts about Cutler.)

The source said there are concerns about Cutler’s consumption of alcohol, and “that he’s not that sharp.”

“That scared the crap out of McDaniels,” the source said.

The source expanded their perspective of McDaniels’ concerns of Cutler learning and working in the Broncos’ new offensive scheme.

“This is a very complex situation. You have to be so smart to play his [McDaniels’] offense. [Tom] Brady and [Matt] Cassel are exceedingly smart quarterbacks. They are not the best athletes in the world but they both make really intelligent decisions. Cutler has a canon for an arm, but he doesn’t manage the game like those guys in critical situations. Brady and Cassel are workaholics. They have the stature, and they have the ability,” said the source.

Well everyone can argue about who they feel is the better quarterback between Cutler and Cassel now.

But at the end of the day, when it comes to the root of all of this drama in Denver, the source told FOX31 to point at New England and Kansas City.

“[Bill] Belichick had first round offers and then some for Cassel. Believe me, a lot of people knew that was on the table. But look at what Matt ended up going to Kansas City for nothing. (Matt Cassel and linebacker Mike Vrabel went to the Chiefs in exchange for a 2009 second round draft pick.) Trust me Bill wanted to pull the trigger on this one sooner rather than later. Then [Scott] Pioli [the Chiefs new General Manager and former Patriots personnel executive] was scared [edit]-less that he wasn’t going to end up with Cassel for a moment there because before he left [New England] Scott was [edit] sure he was going to get Matt-that’s why I feel he took the job in Kansas City. I am convinced it was [Belichick’s and Pioli’s master plan for [Pioli] to get Cassel all along when you watch how this played out.”

As for why Belichick ended up giving the Chiefs and Pioli such a sweetheart deal, the source opined some more.

“At the time all of this was going down, there’s was a part of me that felt like Belichick really wanted to take credit for Cassel. You see, I think if Matt goes to Kansas City, there is a chance he won’t be as good in the Chiefs’ system. Obviously if Cassel ended up in Denver, McDaniels can take more ownership of Matt’s success.”

But the league source told FOX31 sports that in his opinion Belichick took a lesser deal for Cassel in part to disassociate McDaniels’ work in Cassel’s accomplishments.

“I think Bill wants people to know that Brady and Cassel are successes because of his system. You see every other coach that left the Patriots has basically fallen flat on their face.”

As for who McDaniels will scout to replace Cutler if the Pro Bowl quarterback leaves?

“It will definitely have to be somebody who is smart enough to understand the intricacies of his system.”

And if Cutler is smart enough, he’ll make sure he convinces McDaniels he’s the guy not just physically but mentally as well.

“McDaniels has all the leverage he needs because Cutler is under contract, period. If Cutler tries to force his way out of there, plays for another team and performs poorly after all of this drama, his value will tank tremendously. Hopefully he decides to go back, but right now he is looking like an [edit].”

http://community.kdvr.com/_Source-Secrets-Inside-Cutler-Trade-Talks/BLOG/220410/96399.html?widgetId=161804

GIVE. A ****ING. NAME.

This nameless source bull**** is absurd, and this bitch is trying for exposure.

What a ****ing whore.

baja
03-25-2009, 06:53 AM
From whence to the drinking-alone stories emanate?

Kaylore said Jay was seen in a downtown bar on several occasions sitting by himself at the bar and getting hammered I asked Kaylore if he was certain that was true and both Kaylore & Apa assured me it was true.

oubronco
03-25-2009, 06:54 AM
Young,Dumb, and full of................................................ .......well Booze

socalorado
03-25-2009, 06:58 AM
GIVE. A ****ING. NAME.

This nameless source bull**** is absurd, and this b**** is trying for exposure.

What a ****ing whore.

(Again this was relayed to my ears, from their ears. The following is what was heard by my source in these trade whispers, not what FOX31 cites as definite facts about Cutler.)

The source said there are concerns about Cutler’s consumption of alcohol, and “that he’s not that sharp.”

“That scared the crap out of McDaniels,” the source said.

This part was edited out of the BS article.
If anyone knows of where we can make a post to complain about this slanderous BS, please let me know and i will complain.
This wench has an agenda and has had one for some time in DEN.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
03-25-2009, 06:59 AM
(Again this was relayed to my ears, from their ears. The following is what was heard by my source in these trade whispers, not what FOX31 cites as definite facts about Cutler.)

The source said there are concerns about Cutler’s consumption of alcohol, and “that he’s not that sharp.”

“That scared the crap out of McDaniels,” the source said.

This part was edited out of the BS article.
If anyone knows of where we can make a post to complain about this slanderous BS, please let me know and i will complain.
This wench has an agenda and has had one for some time in DEN.

Don't make a post. Call the sports director and the news director at Fox 31. Should be able to find all of that information online.

And when you do find that info, post it here. She should absolutely be fired for wanton disregard of journalistic integrity. "Lol." Are you ****ing kidding me?

TonyR
03-25-2009, 07:06 AM
I wonder how long until Mike Florio and PFT pick up this story?

Eyebrow-Raising Cutler Report Gets Expunged
Posted by Mike Florio on March 25, 2009, 8:50 a.m. EDT

On Tuesday, Josina Anderson of FOX31 in Denver posted a lengthy blurb regarding the situation involving the Broncos and quarterback Jay Cutler.

After an extended introductory portion in which Anderson basically claims that she would have been the one to break the news last month of a possible deal that would have brought Matt Cassel to the Broncos and sent Cutler elsewhere if only Anderson’s source had been able to call her (we’ve learned over the years that no one really cares about why a scoop “almost” was obtained), Anderson got to the meat of her story.

And then, at some point between last night and Wednesday morning, the meat was removed.

The text that was removed from Anderson’s story appears below. Several readers have confirmed that this language indeed appeared in the story, and the quote that we’re pasting below was taken from a cut-and-paste of the original story that as of this posting appears on a Jets Insider forum. (It also appears at this Broncos forum.)

The omitted language is newsworthy only because Anderson posted it, and then without explanation removed it. In reprinting the language, we are not suggesting that the assertions Anderson made are accurate. (In fact, Anderson added a disclaimer to that effect in her original story, explaining that ”[t]he following is what was heard by my source in these trade whispers, not what FOX31 cites as definite facts about Cutler.” Presumably, someone with a law degree concluded that this CYA-style language didn’t “C” enough of FOX31’s “A”.)

Here’s the text that has since been erased:

“The source said there are concerns about Cutler’s consumption of alcohol, and ‘that he’s not that sharp.’

“‘That scared the crap out of McDaniels,’ the source said.”

Frankly, we’ve developed a fairly strong opinion that Cutler is “not that sharp,” especially if reports are true that he asked to be traded before the team tried to trade him, which reportedly offended him even though he had reportedly asked to be traded.

Though we know nothing about whether and to what extent Cutler consumes alcohol, any consumption of alcohol by a Type 1 diabetes patient entails potential health risks. So if that portion of the expunged report is accurate, it would bolster our conclusion that he’s “not that sharp.” (Again, we aren’t reporting that he consumes any amount of alcohol — we’re only pointing out that someone else reported it with a disclaimer as to its accuracy, and then erased the report.)

Regardless, the news here is that a source who supposedly was in position to share with Anderson details about the possible trade of Cutler passed along these intriguing tidbits — and that the intriguing tidbits have since disappeared.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/03/25/eyebrow-raising-cutler-report-gets-expunged/

epicSocialism4tw
03-25-2009, 07:09 AM
So according to this "scoop" McDaniels was trying to trade Cutler 'cause he's a drunk and an idiot... So now the question is who the hell is Josina Anderson?

Another gossip columnist.

Broncos fans like gossip columns on their QB's.

barryr
03-25-2009, 07:10 AM
How soon people forget.

Much of the media and many people outside Denver considered Elway dumb with some of the throws and chances he took, especially early in his career. Plus, the claim he couldn't read defenses and such despite having gone to Stanford.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
03-25-2009, 07:11 AM
Don't make a post. Call the sports director and the news director at Fox 31. Should be able to find all of that information online.

And when you do find that info, post it here. She should absolutely be fired for wanton disregard of journalistic integrity. "Lol." Are you ****ing kidding me?

fox31news@denvernewshd.com

Email them. That's at least a start.

Irish Stout
03-25-2009, 07:17 AM
(Again this was relayed to my ears, from their ears. The following is what was heard by my source in these trade whispers, not what FOX31 cites as definite facts about Cutler.)

The source said there are concerns about Cutler’s consumption of alcohol, and “that he’s not that sharp.”

“That scared the crap out of McDaniels,” the source said.

This part was edited out of the BS article.
If anyone knows of where we can make a post to complain about this slanderous BS, please let me know and i will complain.
This wench has an agenda and has had one for some time in DEN.

Her advice to you would be to call 411 and tell them to contect you to KDVR Fox 31 in Denver... This would actually be great info if the presentation wasn't in the form of an 8 year old's email.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/03/25/eyebrow-raising-cutler-report-gets-expunged/

interesting

socalorado
03-25-2009, 07:17 AM
fox31news@denvernewshd.com

Email them. That's at least a start.

Phone #s

FOX 31 News KDVR



100 East Speer Blvd
Denver, Colorado 80203

Main: 303-595-3131
Newsroom: 303-566-7600

fox31news@denvernewshd.com


Call in and complain that this stupid b!tch is basically just slandering Cutler and that she should be fired or her source should be posted for her to have any credibility.

vancejohnson82
03-25-2009, 07:21 AM
yea....I don't like how this story has turned into a media free-for-all

any journalist now has the "right" to just claim "a source" and post whatever they feel like posting....its completely irresponsible

montrose
03-25-2009, 07:23 AM
Phone #s

FOX 31 News KDVR



100 East Speer Blvd
Denver, Colorado 80203

Main: 303-595-3131
Newsroom: 303-566-7600

fox31news@denvernewshd.com


Call in and complain that this stupid b!tch is basically just slandering Cutler and that she should be fired or her source should be posted for her to have any credibility.

Did you call Socalorado? I'm interested to the response you got.

montrose
03-25-2009, 07:25 AM
http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/03/25/eyebrow-raising-cutler-report-gets-expunged/

socalorado
03-25-2009, 07:34 AM
Did you call Socalorado? I'm interested to the response you got.

Some dude fielded my complaint, and then he sent me to her extension which of course was just a message inbox.

summerdenver
03-25-2009, 07:36 AM
Well let's be realistic.

Michigan and USC are known for having far superior academic requirements than Vanderbilt. So those concerns have to be legit

Ha!

Yep. Not only that if this is true, the conclusion we can draw is that JMac thought Jay is an alcoholic and/or not smart and wanted to trade Jay. When the trade fell off, Broncos are making this as a team vs individual issue.

BTW, did you see that Mangini is inviting Farve to Browns training camp. He must really hate the guy.

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=531327

Cito Pelon
03-25-2009, 07:38 AM
This is all BS.
Josina=yellow hack. This wench has had an agenda for a while now.
Does anyone have a email to FOXDEN so i can complain about slandering someone name in the media?

Jeez, you have the same problem as Josina's source - you can't figure out how to get hold of her, despite the myriad informational sources available to contact a major news outlet like FOX 31 Denver.

baja
03-25-2009, 07:42 AM
Eyebrow-Raising Cutler Report Gets Expunged
Posted by Mike Florio on March 25, 2009, 8:50 a.m. EDT

On Tuesday, Josina Anderson of FOX31 in Denver posted a lengthy blurb regarding the situation involving the Broncos and quarterback Jay Cutler.

After an extended introductory portion in which Anderson basically claims that she would have been the one to break the news last month of a possible deal that would have brought Matt Cassel to the Broncos and sent Cutler elsewhere if only Anderson’s source had been able to call her (we’ve learned over the years that no one really cares about why a scoop “almost” was obtained), Anderson got to the meat of her story.

And then, at some point between last night and Wednesday morning, the meat was removed.

The text that was removed from Anderson’s story appears below. Several readers have confirmed that this language indeed appeared in the story, and the quote that we’re pasting below was taken from a cut-and-paste of the original story that as of this posting appears on a Jets Insider forum. (It also appears at this Broncos forum.)

The omitted language is newsworthy only because Anderson posted it, and then without explanation removed it. In reprinting the language, we are not suggesting that the assertions Anderson made are accurate. (In fact, Anderson added a disclaimer to that effect in her original story, explaining that ”[t]he following is what was heard by my source in these trade whispers, not what FOX31 cites as definite facts about Cutler.” Presumably, someone with a law degree concluded that this CYA-style language didn’t “C” enough of FOX31’s “A”.)

Here’s the text that has since been erased:

“The source said there are concerns about Cutler’s consumption of alcohol, and ‘that he’s not that sharp.’

“‘That scared the crap out of McDaniels,’ the source said.”

Frankly, we’ve developed a fairly strong opinion that Cutler is “not that sharp,” especially if reports are true that he asked to be traded before the team tried to trade him, which reportedly offended him even though he had reportedly asked to be traded.

Though we know nothing about whether and to what extent Cutler consumes alcohol, any consumption of alcohol by a Type 1 diabetes patient entails potential health risks. So if that portion of the expunged report is accurate, it would bolster our conclusion that he’s “not that sharp.” (Again, we aren’t reporting that he consumes any amount of alcohol — we’re only pointing out that someone else reported it with a disclaimer as to its accuracy, and then erased the report.)

Regardless, the news here is that a source who supposedly was in position to share with Anderson details about the possible trade of Cutler passed along these intriguing tidbits — and that the intriguing tidbits have since disappeared.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/03/25/eyebrow-raising-cutler-report-gets-expunged/

Damn,damn, double damn it got out. This can only hurt the Broncos.

Mogulseeker
03-25-2009, 07:47 AM
Eyebrow-Raising Cutler Report Gets Expunged
Posted by Mike Florio on March 25, 2009, 8:50 a.m. EDT

On Tuesday, Josina Anderson of FOX31 in Denver posted a lengthy blurb regarding the situation involving the Broncos and quarterback Jay Cutler.

After an extended introductory portion in which Anderson basically claims that she would have been the one to break the news last month of a possible deal that would have brought Matt Cassel to the Broncos and sent Cutler elsewhere if only Anderson’s source had been able to call her (we’ve learned over the years that no one really cares about why a scoop “almost” was obtained), Anderson got to the meat of her story.

And then, at some point between last night and Wednesday morning, the meat was removed.

The text that was removed from Anderson’s story appears below. Several readers have confirmed that this language indeed appeared in the story, and the quote that we’re pasting below was taken from a cut-and-paste of the original story that as of this posting appears on a Jets Insider forum. (It also appears at this Broncos forum.)

The omitted language is newsworthy only because Anderson posted it, and then without explanation removed it. In reprinting the language, we are not suggesting that the assertions Anderson made are accurate. (In fact, Anderson added a disclaimer to that effect in her original story, explaining that ”[t]he following is what was heard by my source in these trade whispers, not what FOX31 cites as definite facts about Cutler.” Presumably, someone with a law degree concluded that this CYA-style language didn’t “C” enough of FOX31’s “A”.)

Here’s the text that has since been erased:

“The source said there are concerns about Cutler’s consumption of alcohol, and ‘that he’s not that sharp.’

“‘That scared the crap out of McDaniels,’ the source said.”

Frankly, we’ve developed a fairly strong opinion that Cutler is “not that sharp,” especially if reports are true that he asked to be traded before the team tried to trade him, which reportedly offended him even though he had reportedly asked to be traded.

Though we know nothing about whether and to what extent Cutler consumes alcohol, any consumption of alcohol by a Type 1 diabetes patient entails potential health risks. So if that portion of the expunged report is accurate, it would bolster our conclusion that he’s “not that sharp.” (Again, we aren’t reporting that he consumes any amount of alcohol — we’re only pointing out that someone else reported it with a disclaimer as to its accuracy, and then erased the report.)

Regardless, the news here is that a source who supposedly was in position to share with Anderson details about the possible trade of Cutler passed along these intriguing tidbits — and that the intriguing tidbits have since disappeared.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/03/25/eyebrow-raising-cutler-report-gets-expunged/

Good grief... do they not teach the Associated Press style guide on media law in journalism school anymore?

ELEVATION
03-25-2009, 07:53 AM
its nice to know the media still does a great job of illiciting reactions from people so easily. I mean for real they are paid to paint and spin stories....


Jay and MCD behind closed doors, thats the only info that anyone should be concerned with. not what comes out, has been said, could have been said, will be said by the media.

The FO is doing the right things as is Jay cutler now. the past is Mute. the future is what matters.

Jay and MCd will talk, from there, is all anyone really needs to worry about. they know the true story....the media can claim there reliable sources all day long but most are just going off what someone else said anyways.....so in the end its all he said/she said.

Jay cutler is under contract/jay cutler will report to all mandatory functions/Jay cutler and MCd have started to communicate again/MCD said cutler is still our QB.

these points are true fact stated by the coach and cutler...everything else is speculation by the media and everyone else. focus on the facts at hand and not what the media spins or tries to uncover from said anoynomous sources.....

socalorado
03-25-2009, 07:59 AM
its nice to know the media still does a great job of illiciting reactions from people so easily. I mean for real they are paid to paint and spin stories....


Jay and MCD behind closed doors, thats the only info that anyone should be concerned with. not what comes out, has been said, could have been said, will be said by the media.

The FO is doing the right things as is Jay cutler now. the past is Mute. the future is what matters.

Jay and MCd will talk, from there, is all anyone really needs to worry about. they know the true story....the media can claim there reliable sources all day long but most are just going off what someone else said anyways.....so in the end its all he said/she said.

Jay cutler is under contract/jay cutler will report to all mandatory functions/Jay cutler and MCd have started to communicate again/MCD said cutler is still our QB.

these points are true fact...everything else is speculation by the media and everyone else. let the issue die there is plenty of time......

I could actually care less about the MCD Cutler fiasco and its effects on the Denver Bronocs. Or at least i am not going to get frustrated over it.
However, slandering someone and just flat out making crap up cause its fun and someone thinks they can further their career by printing this drivel is just wrong. And its another example of how to further piss off the already pissed QB who doesnt want to show.
Theres an agenda here.

Kaylore
03-25-2009, 08:00 AM
Everyone knows how I feel about this but this idea that Cutler is too stupid to do McDaniels' scheme is a bunch of crap. Cutler is a football smart guy and his issues aren't in understanding the game plan but in making poor decisions and trying to force things. Cutler made calls at the line in college. He can do it here too. McDaniels was on with Schefter at the combine and said Cutler was very bright and knew football and I think he was sincere in that assessment.

As for his drinking, I think he has a problem and needs help.

vancejohnson82
03-25-2009, 08:05 AM
This is what I just wrote to them.....

I just wanted to voice my absolute disgust for the article that was posted by your employee Josina Anderson. This kind of an “article”, in my opinion, is hack journalism at its absolute lowest point. Disregarding Ms Anderson’s complete lack of writing cohesion and grammatical integrity (Lol???) for her readers is one thing, but her blatant disrespect for us and the individuals she writes about is utterly inexcusable. In her attempt to become part of the story, Ms. Anderson has posted slanderous accounts of information about Jay Cutler (“has an alcohol problem and isn’t that sharp”) and then rattles on that his employer, Josh McDaniels, has a personal problem with this. The problem is not within the report but in the manner it was presented and with the flippancy she decided to disregard the need for a story basis. In a thinly veiled attempt to prove she has “sources” Ms. Anderson has not only slighted her readers of an honest account but also taken down Fox31 news into the dredges of journalistic appeal appropriately set aside for shows like “TMZ” and “Inside Edition.” With reporters like this on your payroll Fox31 would be wise to hire a team of paparazzi to a least add some legitimacy to your new drama patrol regime.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
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I, for one, will not be visiting the site for any more news, sports or otherwise. This was the type of bedbug type reporting I would expect from a blogger in a basement using clip-art and YouTube videos, but not from a “major” news source. <o:p></o:p>
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El Guapo
03-25-2009, 08:05 AM
Some dude fielded my complaint, and then he sent me to her extension which of course was just a message inbox.

Same here. I left a message for her to call me back.

socalorado
03-25-2009, 08:07 AM
This is what I just wrote to them.....

I just wanted to voice my absolute disgust for the article that was posted by your employee Josina Anderson. This kind of an “article”, in my opinion, is hack journalism at its absolute lowest point. Disregarding Ms Anderson’s complete lack of writing cohesion and grammatical integrity (Lol???) for her readers is one thing, but her blatant disrespect for us and the individuals she writes about is utterly inexcusable. In her attempt to become part of the story, Ms. Anderson has posted slanderous accounts of information about Jay Cutler (“has an alcohol problem and isn’t that sharp”) and then rattles on that his employer, Josh McDaniels, has a personal problem with this. The problem is not within the report but in the manner it was presented and with the flippancy she decided to disregard the need for a story basis. In a thinly veiled attempt to prove she has “sources” Ms. Anderson has not only slighted her readers of an honest account but also taken down Fox31 news into the dredges of journalistic appeal appropriately set aside for shows like “TMZ” and “Inside Edition.” With reporters like this on your payroll Fox31 would be wise to hire a team of paparazzi to a least add some legitimacy to your new drama patrol regime.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
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I, for one, will not be visiting the site for any more news, sports or otherwise. This was the type of bedbug type reporting I would expect from a blogger in a basement using clip-art and YouTube videos, but not from a “major” news source. <o:p></o:p>
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Sincerely,<o:p></o:p>
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Tom Cannon <o:p></o:p>


QFT
:notworthy

ELEVATION
03-25-2009, 08:13 AM
I could actually care less about the MCD Cutler fiasco and its effects on the Denver Bronocs. Or at least i am not going to get frustrated over it.
However, slandering someone and just flat out making crap up cause its fun and someone thinks they can further their career by printing this drivel is just wrong. And its another example of how to further piss off the already pissed QB who doesnt want to show.
Theres an agenda here.

and i agree, its BS....but i doubt anything gets done about it...i also agree its slanderous and inexcusable....

however i block it out with every other BS thing that has come from the media lately.....

crush17
03-25-2009, 08:14 AM
I'm sorry but that article reads like it was written by some high school chick on an internet message board.

Did she actually put "lol" in her article? REALLY?

There's your credibility right there.

Anyone who takes this with anything more than a grain of salt needs to step away from the computer and take a deep breath.

I am actually going to write her a letter because its so bad.

Awful.

ayjackson
03-25-2009, 08:17 AM
Well, I think this put to rest that Mcdummy as doing more than just picking up the phone, and added concern that Jay certainly has made it convient to indulge in Lodo to the extent he has his primary crib within stumbling distance from Earls.

Of course, because it looks like such a quality piece of journalism.

crush17
03-25-2009, 08:34 AM
Well, here's what I wrote her... I don't care what any of you really think of it, but if you're interested, here it is:

__________________________________________

Josina,

I just wanted to take a minute to express my absolute disgust with the article you recently published about Josh McDaniels and Jay Culter in which you lay claim to have a "source" who told you they heard from another "source" that Josh McDaniels was worried about Cutler's drinking issues and his "intelligence".

First of all, where did you go to school to get your degree? Well, you might want to call them up and complain, or at least tell them you want your money back because that article was probably one of the most poorly written, awful pieces of drivel I have ever had the displeasure of reading. Did you actually use the term "lol" in the article? Honestly?

You do understand that only people on message boards and chat clients use that expression, don't you? Did you honestly think it was appropriate, as a "journalist" to add that? Your article reads as though it was written by some little girl day dreaming in high school talking to her friends on the internet.

On top of all that, you're just reaching for straws and looking to add your stamp to this whole debacle (whoops, sorry, is that word too big for you?). You make Fox 31 look absolutely terrible with that article, because anyone with any hint of intelligence will read it and know that they can't take a single word of it seriously. Your "source"? Really? You have no source. If you did you'd be writing something worthwhile and speaking with integrity, not acting like a high school girl who's spreading rumors and drama.

I'm sickened. This is the first time I've ever actually taken the time to write to any journalist. Congratulations, you're THAT horrible.

Beantown Bronco
03-25-2009, 08:37 AM
I think she should have Chris Cooley answer all her hate mail.

TheReverend
03-25-2009, 08:39 AM
Everyone knows how I feel about this but this idea that Cutler is too stupid to do McDaniels' scheme is a bunch of crap. Cutler is a football smart guy and his issues aren't in understanding the game plan but in making poor decisions and trying to force things. Cutler made calls at the line in college. He can do it here too. McDaniels was on with Schefter at the combine and said Cutler was very bright and knew football and I think he was sincere in that assessment.

As for his drinking, I think he has a problem and needs help.

It's not a problem until you wake up with a dude.

Beantown Bronco
03-25-2009, 08:41 AM
It's not a problem until you wake up with a dude.

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montrose
03-25-2009, 09:07 AM
It's not a problem until you wake up with a dude.

He and Tony do seem really close...

j/k;D

Flex Gunmetal
03-25-2009, 09:08 AM
What a piece of **** article! That said, Jay does go out and party. After the TB game one of his crew got into it with my buddy who is a bucs fan, while jay stood behind his boy with his arms crossed staring my buddy down. At front porch downtown. lol

Flex Gunmetal
03-25-2009, 09:09 AM
And yes he does go to Maloney's, whoever mentioned that earlier. Never seen him sitting alone. I did see him at the bar at the pepsi center alone during an avs game drinking a whiskey-coke.

razorwire77
03-25-2009, 09:13 AM
*breaking news*

25-year-old wealthy and famous athlete likes to party sometimes.

I've been critical of Cutler during all of the trade drama, but this article is ridiculous. It reminds me of when "sources" would follow Elway around and count how many beers he drank at (fill-in-the-blank) watering hole.

Garcia Bronco
03-25-2009, 09:18 AM
Josina Anderson is a liar.

Bob's your Information Minister
03-25-2009, 09:18 AM
After the TB game one of his crew got into it with my buddy who is a bucs fan, while jay stood behind his boy with his arms crossed staring my buddy down.

Wonderful way to represent the franchise. What a punk.

vancejohnson82
03-25-2009, 09:19 AM
Wonderful way to represent the franchise. What a punk.

I mean, we are talking about a Bucs fan here....

TheElusiveKyleOrton
03-25-2009, 09:20 AM
Wonderful way to represent the franchise. What a punk.

What's that, Larry Johnson?

Thank you. Shut the hell up, Boob.

Beantown Bronco
03-25-2009, 09:21 AM
I think the real question is:

Is he a good tipper?

OABB
03-25-2009, 09:23 AM
If Jay is a heavy drinker, Than I am more in love with him than ever...


A strong armed, straightshooting, fiery, compettive man who drinks to get drunk, by himself!

Hallelujah!

He's a ray of sunshine in this post-feminist, liberal pussy America!


I hope he gets caught driving a lawnmower into town soon....If he does, I'm getting and I heart Jay tattoo!

SureShot
03-25-2009, 09:33 AM
If Jay is a heavy drinker, Than I am more in love with him than ever...


A strong armed, straightshooting, fiery, compettive man who drinks to get drunk, by himself!

Hallelujah!

He's a ray of sunshine in this post-feminist, liberal p***Y America!


I hope he gets caught driving a lawnmower into town soon....If he does, I'm getting and I heart Jay tattoo!


:spit:

Flex Gunmetal
03-25-2009, 09:39 AM
Wonderful way to represent the franchise. What a punk.

Whatever. Dude wasn't a reporter, they were at a bar, **** happens.

Thankfully you, with your dimwitted insight, ****ty posts, poor attitude, and overall lack of journalistic talent and ability chose to follow the failing kc chiefs, and not the accomplished denver broncos.
Go back to chiefsplanet where you belong, or have they banned you there?

Bob's your Information Minister
03-25-2009, 09:42 AM
What's that, Larry Johnson?

Thank you. Shut the hell up, Boob.

No one is saying LJ isn't a punk. In fact he has a drinking problem, too.

Cutler and LJ have both reflected poorly on their franchises.

TheDave
03-25-2009, 09:43 AM
To be honest I would love to see Cutler's and/or the Bronco's attorneys get involved with this... If these "News" Outlets want to start competiting with the national inquirer they might want to beef up their legal team.

bronco610
03-25-2009, 09:44 AM
http://www.dlife.com/dLife/do/ShowContent/daily_living/diabetes_alcohol/
A Two-Drink Maximum

For individuals with well-controlled diabetes, alcohol intake should follow the same guidelines the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) has established for the general population. This means a maximum of two drinks per day for men and one drink daily for women. (A higher alcohol intake is allowed for most men because women have a lower body water content then men and also metabolize alcohol more slowly.) In addition, due to physiological changes such as loss of lean body mass that occur as the body ages, the National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism recommends that anyone over age 65 should not consume more than one alcoholic drink daily.

I would say there is plenty to be concerned about.

baja
03-25-2009, 09:45 AM
If Jay is a heavy drinker, Than I am more in love with him than ever...


A strong armed, straightshooting, fiery, compettive man who drinks to get drunk, by himself!

Hallelujah!

He's a ray of sunshine in this post-feminist, liberal p***Y America!


I hope he gets caught driving a lawnmower into town soon....If he does, I'm getting and I heart Jay tattoo!

"I heart Jay" is a post-feminist pussy America statement.

Pony Boy
03-25-2009, 09:45 AM
Everyone knows how I feel about this but this idea that Cutler is too stupid to do McDaniels' scheme is a bunch of crap. Cutler is a football smart guy and his issues aren't in understanding the game plan but in making poor decisions and trying to force things. Cutler made calls at the line in college. He can do it here too. McDaniels was on with Schefter at the combine and said Cutler was very bright and knew football and I think he was sincere in that assessment.

As for his drinking, I think he has a problem and needs help.

I'll Drink to That !

TheElusiveKyleOrton
03-25-2009, 09:47 AM
No one is saying LJ isn't a punk. In fact he has a drinking problem, too.

Cutler and LJ have both reflected poorly on their franchises.

Hey Boob, maybe Fox31 will hire you! Looks like they might have an opening for a ****ty reporter, and you'd certainly fit that bill.

OABB
03-25-2009, 09:47 AM
"I heart Jay" is a post-feminist p***Y America statement.

I was going to carve it in with a rusty pocket knife and sharpie ink.

razorwire77
03-25-2009, 09:53 AM
http://www.dlife.com/dLife/do/ShowContent/daily_living/diabetes_alcohol/


A Two-Drink Maximum

For individuals with well-controlled diabetes, alcohol intake should follow the same guidelines the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) has established for the general population. This means a maximum of two drinks per day for men and one drink daily for women. (A higher alcohol intake is allowed for most men because women have a lower body water content then men and also metabolize alcohol more slowly.) In addition, due to physiological changes such as loss of lean body mass that occur as the body ages, the National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism recommends that anyone over age 65 should not consume more than one alcoholic drink daily.

I would say there is plenty to be concerned about.

While, I agree with this, you also have to take into consideration other factors.

1.) Jay is stronger and in better shape than 99 percent of the general population with diabetes.

2.) Jay probably eats better than 99 percent of the general population with diabetes. Including having the financial resources to hire a top-flight nutritionist and chef to prepare any meal he wants.

3.) Jay receives better medical care and treatment than 99 percent of the general population with diabetes.

All-in-all, these three factors probably more than make up for an occasional 10 beer trip to Lodo. Although, you're right in that drinking in excess is bad for his condition.

Black96WS6
03-25-2009, 09:54 AM
This just keeps getting better and better.

First he was a punk/jerk. Then he starts throwing his teammates under the bus (although the D was terrible last year). Then we find out he's also an immature whiner. Now we find out he throws his current medical condition to the wind and drinks heavily.

What's next?

TheElusiveKyleOrton
03-25-2009, 09:55 AM
This just keeps getting better and better.

First he was a punk/jerk. Then we find out he's also an immature whiner. Now we find out he throws his current medical condition to the wind and drinks heavily.

What's next?

Well, we just found out there's a charger fan that doesn't know how to read a whole thread. That's pretty exciting.

OABB
03-25-2009, 09:56 AM
This just keeps getting better and better.

First he was a punk/jerk. Then we find out he's also an immature whiner. Now we find out he throws his current medical condition to the wind and drinks heavily.

What's next?

He fakes an injury to get out of the playoffs?

that would suck, I can put up with all the above, but a heartless whiner who would rather sit on the bench than play hurt, that would be a tough pill to swallow, you know?

Beantown Bronco
03-25-2009, 09:56 AM
And, what nobody is noting:

4) These are also the USDA guidelines for the general population. Anyone else concerned that their friends, co-workers, family members, etc. probably don't follow these guidelines every day of their life either? According to the USDA, there is no greater risk of drinking for diabetics than there is for non-diabetics.

bronco610
03-25-2009, 10:01 AM
And, what nobody is noting:

4) These are also the USDA guidelines for the general population. Anyone else concerned that their friends, co-workers, family members, etc. probably don't follow these guidelines every day of their life either? According to the USDA, there is no greater risk of drinking for diabetics than there is for non-diabetics.

Sorce of a published article saying this ?

BroncoBuff
03-25-2009, 10:04 AM
The source said there are concerns about Cutler’s consumption of alcohol, and “that he’s not that sharp.”

“That scared the crap out of McDaniels,” the source said.

I dunno if Josh really said that (I doubt he did), but I'll bet my last nickel Jay is smarter than Josh. From the interviews I've seen, there's no comparison.

epicSocialism4tw
03-25-2009, 10:11 AM
This just keeps getting better and better.

First he was a punk/jerk. Then he starts throwing his teammates under the bus (although the D was terrible last year). Then we find out he's also an immature whiner. Now we find out he throws his current medical condition to the wind and drinks heavily.

What's next?

Smacking around the consistently worsening Chargers franchise...that's whats next.

Beantown Bronco
03-25-2009, 10:17 AM
[/B]

Sorce of a published article saying this ?

From the post on the prior page:


http://www.dlife.com/dLife/do/ShowCo...betes_alcohol/


A Two-Drink Maximum

For individuals with well-controlled diabetes, alcohol intake should follow the same guidelines the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) has established for the general population.

crush17
03-25-2009, 10:23 AM
I dunno if Josh really said that (I doubt he did), but I'll bet my last nickel Jay is smarter than Josh. From the interviews I've seen, there's no comparison.

LOL are you effing KIDDING ME?!?

Wow. Just wow.

/ignore

bronco610
03-25-2009, 10:30 AM
From the post on the prior page:


http://www.dlife.com/dLife/do/ShowCo...betes_alcohol/


A Two-Drink Maximum

For individuals with well-controlled diabetes, alcohol intake should follow the same guidelines the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) has established for the general population.

I think that is definetly a recomendation for healthy living, however, I don't believe the health risks are anywhere near the same for a healthy person. Also that was one excerpt from the article because I didn't think anyone would want to read all the information. Its just not what we do here on the Mane.

hambone13
03-25-2009, 10:31 AM
From the post on the prior page:


http://www.dlife.com/dLife/do/ShowCo...betes_alcohol/


A Two-Drink Maximum

For individuals with well-controlled diabetes, alcohol intake should follow the same guidelines the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) has established for the general population.

You beat me to it. I think the other funny post of this topic is, "It can lead to negative effects on your kidney's and liver over time...." too much comedy.

bronco610
03-25-2009, 10:34 AM
How It Works

When you drink, your liver decreases its ability to release glucose so that it can instead clean the alcohol from your blood. Because glucose production is shut down, hypoglycemia (low blood sugar) becomes a risk for people with diabetes, particularly if you drink on an empty stomach or shortly after taking insulin or glucose-lowering oral medications. And because it takes two hours for just one ounce of alcohol to metabolize and leave your system, the risk continues long after you've emptied your glass.

http://www.dlife.com/dLife/do/ShowContent/daily_living/diabetes_alcohol/

So as you can see, the risk is increased substantially for a diabetic.

Garcia Bronco
03-25-2009, 10:34 AM
LOL...USDA and FDA guidelines. Governemnt information made on the lowest bidder and use it or lose budget mentality...LMAO.

vancejohnson82
03-25-2009, 10:35 AM
You beat me to it. I think the other funny post of this topic is, "It can lead to negative effects on your kidney's and liver over time...." too much comedy.

I was rommates with a Type I Diabetic in college....

He would go out and drink with the best of em, but had to be WELL AWARE about the intake of his food before, during and after the party or wherever we were....he also had to be careful about what he was drinking...anything with sugar like Jager shots or Soco shots were deadly for him....not at the moment but the next day

HIs hangovers were the worst I've ever seen...when you sleep your body dehydrates and loses its sugar balance, and he would wake up pale as a ghost and sweating profusely...twice I had to wheel him to the medical center because he needed to have IVs put into him...he also had to have his stomach pumped once, while he was still awake, not because he drank too much but because his body didnt want to absorb the alcohol at the time so they needed to take it out manually...

all in all...YES he can drink....but NO he shouldnt

bronco610
03-25-2009, 10:38 AM
I was rommates with a Type I Diabetic in college....

He would go out and drink with the best of em, but had to be WELL AWARE about the intake of his food before, during and after the party or wherever we were....he also had to be careful about what he was drinking...anything with sugar like Jager shots or Soco shots were deadly for him....not at the moment but the next day

HIs hangovers were the worst I've ever seen...when you sleep your body dehydrates and loses its sugar balance, and he would wake up pale as a ghost and sweating profusely...twice I had to wheel him to the medical center because he needed to have IVs put into him...he also had to have his stomach pumped once, while he was still awake, not because he drank too much but because his body didnt want to absorb the alcohol at the time so they needed to take it out manually...

all in all...YES he can drink....but NO he shouldnt

And if Jay is really drinking the night before a game....... Ouch !!!

Kaylore
03-25-2009, 10:41 AM
I dunno if Josh really said that (I doubt he did), but I'll bet my last nickel Jay is smarter than Josh. From the interviews I've seen, there's no comparison.

Pretty scientific process you're using there, BB. I think you're using your personal bias show, though. There isn't a soul in the league that doesn't agree McDaniels is one of the brightest minds in football today. Now you can question his wisdom, people skills and what have you. But it's I don't think anyone can make a case that McDaniels is not exceptionally intelligent and probably knows more about football than Cutler does and even will when he's in his thirties. Especially if they're basing it off interviews. I mean good grief, Cutler's interviews are terse and bored.

Beantown Bronco
03-25-2009, 10:41 AM
How It Works

When you drink, your liver decreases its ability to release glucose so that it can instead clean the alcohol from your blood. Because glucose production is shut down, hypoglycemia (low blood sugar) becomes a risk for people with diabetes, particularly if you drink on an empty stomach or shortly after taking insulin or glucose-lowering oral medications. And because it takes two hours for just one ounce of alcohol to metabolize and leave your system, the risk continues long after you've emptied your glass.

http://www.dlife.com/dLife/do/ShowContent/daily_living/diabetes_alcohol/

So as you can see, the risk is increased substantially for a diabetic.

From the same article.

So is drinking acceptable if you have diabetes? The answer is yes, in moderation, providing that you take the proper precautions. The American Diabetes Association (ADA) asserts that alcohol can be incorporated into a diet plan, provided that blood sugar control is already well established and other conditions that aren't compatible with alcohol consumption (such as pregnancy or certain diabetic complications) don't exist.

Sure, there are heightened risks of things that non-diabetics aren't generally going to suffer from. But that's just like saying african americans who drink have a higher risk of suffering from sickle cell anemia than white people who drink. Well, no crap.

What we're saying is the liver problems, cancers or other diseases mentioned by others here are no more likely to occur in diabetic drinkers than non-diabetics.

vancejohnson82
03-25-2009, 10:42 AM
And if Jay is really drinking the night before a game....... Ouch !!!

I really cant see him drinking more than a beer or two the night before a game....anything else would put him out of commission by the end of the first drive...from my experiences with my friend, he needed at least 3 hours in the morning to get his body up to speed TO GO TO CLASS after drinking the night before.....it was really a messy situation...

drinking throws off your body's whole natural order of things thats what makes it so tough for a diabetic to deal with it....it takes a while to get the ship "righted" sort of speak....football does the same thing because of the amount of strain you put your body through and if you add the two together it really is a recipe for disaster

baja
03-25-2009, 10:47 AM
I was going to carve it in with a rusty pocket knife and sharpie ink.

Well that's different then, you'll use whiskey as a pain killer right?

baja
03-25-2009, 10:49 AM
This just keeps getting better and better.

First he was a punk/jerk. Then he starts throwing his teammates under the bus (although the D was terrible last year). Then we find out he's also an immature whiner. Now we find out he throws his current medical condition to the wind and drinks heavily.

What's next?

He's gay?

bronco610
03-25-2009, 10:50 AM
From the same article.

So is drinking acceptable if you have diabetes? The answer is yes, in moderation, providing that you take the proper precautions. The American Diabetes Association (ADA) asserts that alcohol can be incorporated into a diet plan, provided that blood sugar control is already well established and other conditions that aren't compatible with alcohol consumption (such as pregnancy or certain diabetic complications) don't exist.

Sure, there are heightened risks of things that non-diabetics aren't generally going to suffer from. But that's just like saying african americans who drink have a higher risk of suffering from sickle cell anemia than white people who drink. Well, no crap.

What we're saying is the liver problems, cancers or other diseases mentioned by others here are no more likely to occur in diabetic drinkers than non-diabetics.

Providing Jay is drinking in moderation. From the stories and rumors on the Mane it does'nt sound like it is in moderation. Even if it is just rumor and speculation I have seen alot of peoples jobs in the work place damaged by such.

bronco610
03-25-2009, 10:54 AM
I really cant see him drinking more than a beer or two the night before a game....

From the rumors it sounds like more. I personally don't care as long as Jay can perform. Having said that, I certainly would worry about Jays longevity as an NFL QB if he keeps it up.

Beantown Bronco
03-25-2009, 11:06 AM
Funny how McDaniels wasn't concerned about Jay's drinking until he came home one night to find Jay passed out drunk in his bed with Mrs. McDaniels.....at least that's what I heard on the light rail.

bronco610
03-25-2009, 11:11 AM
Funny how McDaniels wasn't concerned about Jay's drinking until he came home one night to find Jay passed out drunk in his bed with Mrs. McDaniels.....at least that's what I heard on the light rail.

ROFL! ROFL! ROFL!
I know its all conjecture but hell, what else is there to talk about ???

zdoor
03-25-2009, 11:39 AM
Has anybody noticed the article has been rewritten or at least cut down substantially? I bet lawsuit was threatened. I call BS on the whole thing anyways... Looks like stoking the fire to me.

Garcia Bronco
03-25-2009, 11:40 AM
You guys realize the picture posted in post 1 or 2 are from 2006 before he was even diagnosed with type 1?

Garcia Bronco
03-25-2009, 11:44 AM
Has anybody noticed the article has been rewritten or at least cut down substantially? I bet lawsuit was threatened. I call BS on the whole thing anyways... Looks like stoking the fire to me.

Eyebrow-Raising Cutler Report Gets Expunged
Posted by Mike Florio on March 25, 2009, 8:50 a.m. EDT

On Tuesday, Josina Anderson of FOX31 in Denver posted a lengthy blurb regarding the situation involving the Broncos and quarterback Jay Cutler.

After an extended introductory portion in which Anderson basically claims that she would have been the one to break the news last month of a possible deal that would have brought Matt Cassel to the Broncos and sent Cutler elsewhere if only Anderson’s source had been able to call her (we’ve learned over the years that no one really cares about why a scoop “almost” was obtained), Anderson got to the meat of her story.

And then, at some point between last night and Wednesday morning, the meat was removed.

The text that was removed from Anderson’s story appears below. Several readers have confirmed that this language indeed appeared in the story, and the quote that we’re pasting below was taken from a cut-and-paste of the original story that as of this posting appears on a Jets Insider forum. (It also appears at this Broncos forum.)

The omitted language is newsworthy only because Anderson posted it, and then without explanation removed it. In reprinting the language, we are not suggesting that the assertions Anderson made are accurate. (In fact, Anderson added a disclaimer to that effect in her original story, explaining that ”[t]he following is what was heard by my source in these trade whispers, not what FOX31 cites as definite facts about Cutler.” Presumably, someone with a law degree concluded that this CYA-style language didn’t “C” enough of FOX31’s “A”.)

Here’s the text that has since been erased:

“The source said there are concerns about Cutler’s consumption of alcohol, and ‘that he’s not that sharp.’

“‘That scared the crap out of McDaniels,’ the source said.”

Frankly, we’ve developed a fairly strong opinion that Cutler is “not that sharp,” especially if reports are true that he asked to be traded before the team tried to trade him, which reportedly offended him even though he had reportedly asked to be traded.

Though we know nothing about whether and to what extent Cutler consumes alcohol, any consumption of alcohol by a Type 1 diabetes patient entails potential health risks. So if that portion of the expunged report is accurate, it would bolster our conclusion that he’s “not that sharp.” (Again, we aren’t reporting that he consumes any amount of alcohol — we’re only pointing out that someone else reported it with a disclaimer as to its accuracy, and then erased the report.)

Regardless, the news here is that a source who supposedly was in position to share with Anderson details about the possible trade of Cutler passed along these intriguing tidbits — and that the intriguing tidbits have since disappeared.

UPDATE: Here’s the cached version of Anderson’s original story. And here’s a photo from the 2006 Bartenders’ Martini Miracle Ball. We’ll assume for now that he’s drinking a Pepsi. And holding a Pepsi.

baja
03-25-2009, 11:47 AM
I dunno if Josh really said that (I doubt he did), <b>but I'll bet my last nickel Jay is smarter than Josh. From the interviews I've seen, there's no comparison.

Ya and Becky4J is a babe...

Popps
03-25-2009, 12:10 PM
You guys realize the picture posted in post 1 or 2 are from 2006 before he was even diagnosed with type 1?

I do. That's why I'm not totally buying the "drinks too much" rumor.

The "not that bright" rumor, maybe... and the "aloof crybaby" rumor, absolutely.

Flex Gunmetal
03-25-2009, 12:32 PM
I do. That's why I'm not totally buying the "drinks too much" rumor.

The "not that bright" rumor, maybe... and the "aloof crybaby" rumor, absolutely.

THE RECORD,,ITS BROKEN!!!!!

Mountain Bronco
03-25-2009, 01:09 PM
Cutler is a good awful interview BB. Basketball players make him look stupid.

This is just stiring the pot stuff. His drinking isn't a problem with football it is with life. Type 1 and heavy consumption = bad news. Hope he gets a handle on it.

The teams of the 70's and 80's used to party thier asses off. I met Ted Johnson in a college bar in New Orlean's two days before the 1997 superbowl, wasted trying to take home a 20 year old co-ed. It happens.

BroncoBuff
03-25-2009, 01:47 PM
Pretty scientific process you're using there, BB. I think you're using your personal bias show, though. There isn't a soul in the league that doesn't agree McDaniels is one of the brightest minds in football today. Now you can question his wisdom, people skills and what have you. But it's I don't think anyone can make a case that McDaniels is not exceptionally intelligent and probably knows more about football than Cutler does and even will when he's in his thirties. Especially if they're basing it off interviews. I mean good grief, Cutler's interviews are terse and bored.

No no, nothing scientific about it ... I just go by the wording and sentence construction they use to express themeselves, among other intuitive indicators. "Terse and bored" have absolutely NOTHING to do with intellect in my estimation anyway. And I'm quite sure I wouldda said Jay was more IQ-intelligent the day they introduced Josh as head coach, I really would have, so I doubt it's biased based on the current situation (your opinion to the contrary is though, ya think maybe?).

Besides, I'm not really on Jay's "side" per se ... I think he's being a baby. But I also am convinced, as are 99% of the commentators, that Josh actively tried to trade Jay. And if he told Jay anything else (which I believe he did), then he did lie. Jay deserves something in return, something to save face so he can come back. (And what we don't know - but what I'm guessing - is that Josh is treating Jay with a cocky, authoritative, anti-star player attitude.)

Josh is definitely very football-smart, no doubt. He is "coach's son" smart. He's spent his entire life playing, studying, coaching and living football. But he is less IQ-intelligent than Jay. And it's not a Vanderbilt vs. small college thing either, that's not part of my evaluation or anything .... and of course it's just my opinion. But I'm pretty sure I'm right.
/

Br0nc0Buster
03-25-2009, 01:56 PM
But I also am convinced, as are 99% of the commentators, that Josh actively tried to trade Jay.


That is bull****
although I think you have me on ignore so I doubt you will see it.

The only people who are "convinced" are the tards running around saying "Belicheck took a lesser deal to prove Cassel is his creation", or "the took a lesser deal to screw over McDaniels"

People act like these rumors are facts, even though many of them have already been debunked

BroncoBuff
03-25-2009, 01:57 PM
Cutler is a good awful interview BB. Basketball players make him look stupid.

This is just stiring the pot stuff. His drinking isn't a problem with football it is with life. Type 1 and heavy consumption = bad news. Hope he gets a handle on it.

The teams of the 70's and 80's used to party thier asses off. I met Ted Johnson in a college bar in New Orlean's two days before the 1997 superbowl, wasted trying to take home a 20 year old co-ed. It happens.

He is a pretty dull interview, you're right ... but excitement and interest level was not part of my ranking. And of course drinking problems and star Denver Broncos quarterbacks have gone hand in hand since 1983 ... never seemed a big problem before ;D

I agree Jay is a world-class dick - by all indications - including several first-hand experiences of guys on this board I truist completely. Jay is a dick. But he's OUR dick, and I don't wanna lose him. Give him a life-line to save face and come back in ... then hope he matures.

You know what Jay REALLY needs?

A wife! A freaking woman in his life to settle his bitch-ass down a notch.


LOL are you effing KIDDING ME?!?

Wow. Just wow.

/ignore

Let me get this straight ... YOU are putting ME on ignore, because of something as trivial as my opinion that Jay has more book-learnin' than Josh?!

Okay ... whatever gets you through your day, noob. Just don't let me catch you responding to any of my posts in the future, bub. Nyah!
.

BroncoBuff
03-25-2009, 02:03 PM
That is bull****
although I think you have me on ignore so I doubt you will see it.

The only people who are "convinced" are the tards running around saying "Belicheck took a lesser deal to prove Cassel is his creation", or "the took a lesser deal to screw over McDaniels"

No, it's not just "tards," it's pretty much everyone in the media now. Klis and others ALL write in factual terms, "the broncos tried to trade Cutler for Matt Cassel," etc.. That's not me talking, that's the writers and the TV commentators. Sadly I no longer have NFLN, but all the ESPN stories and talking heads include the trade effort as a proven fact now.


People act like these rumors are facts, even though many of them have already been debunked

You say rumors - plural - but I'm talking ONLY about the narrow point of whether Denver ACTIVELY tried to trade Jay. That particular point has has moved from opinion, or from "sources tell us", into the realm of accepted fact in all media reporting I'm aware of. I'll find you some quotes from today's stories if you like ???



(And no way I have you on ignore ... I think you're a pretty good poster, for whatever my opinion's worth)

Br0nc0Buster
03-25-2009, 02:15 PM
No, it's not just "tards," it's pretty much everyone in the media now. Klis and others ALL write in factual terms, "the broncos tried to trade Cutler for Matt Cassel," etc.. That's not me talking, that's the writers and the TV commentators. Sadly I no longer have NFLN, but all the ESPN stories and talking heads include the trade effort as a proven fact now.




You say rumors - plural - but I'm talking ONLY about the narrow point of whether Denver ACTIVELY tried to trade Jay. That particular point has has moved from opinion, or from "sources tell us", into the realm of accepted fact in all media reporting I'm aware of. I'll find you some quotes from today's stories if you like ???



(And no way I have you on ignore ... I think you're a pretty good poster, for whatever my opinion's worth)

I was gone for all of spring break and there is a chance I missed something, but before I left all the "sources" were saying things like "Denver had a deal with New England" or "Denver was late to the party"

Then I hear Belicheck come out and say Denver never brought a serious offer to them.
Adam Schefter before I left said that they never seriously considered trading Cutler.
All I know is that ESPN was all over the "Shanny to KC" deal, which is why I dont trust them without solid evidence
Then I start hearing all the reasons for why the Patriots would take a lesser deal, like what that Anderson guy said, something like "Belicheck wanted to prove Cassel was his doing"

It sounds pretty absurd.

And also tie in the fact that the people I seem to see thinking this also are clearly biased, with nicknames for Josh like "McJerkface" or "still a Patriot"

Again I was gone, but I have seen nothing but speculation from for the most part "unnamed sources"

And thanks for the last part, and yes your opinion matters

BroncoBuff
03-25-2009, 02:20 PM
Denver Post 3/25: "There has been friction between the coach and the quarterback since McDaniels engaged in a three-team trade proposal in late February that would have sent Cutler to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and New England's Matt Cassel to Denver. Cassel was instead dealt to Kansas City, but Cutler felt misled and betrayed by McDaniels."

I'm not trying to make this a big deal, really I'm not ... but here's one example for Klis's story today (Wed 3/25). He states McDaniels engaged in the trade proposal as if it's accepted fact, not just an opinion or theory. You guys know how this goes, if a guy is arrested, he is just the "alleged" criminal until conviction ... or if the team was SERIOUSLY denying the trade efforts, reporters would write, "when McDanield reportedly became involved in a trade proposal."

But let's clear this up ... THIS IS NO BIG DEAL!

Nobody - not even Jay - is saying it was not okay for Josh to discuss and respond to trade offers. Jay's gripe was that supposedly Josh lied to him and said, "no we didn't." Now I'll admit I'm biased against newcomers - these are MY Broncos, and Josh hasn't proven a damn thing to me yet. So I think Josh should give Jay something - SOMETHING - to allow Jay's baby-ego to be soothed and give him cover to come back. And we're cool, Buster :thumbs:



And FWIW, IMO Cassel plus #5 and #20 in retunr for Jay would've been a good trade ;D

lex
03-25-2009, 02:22 PM
I'm not trying to make this a big deal, really I'm not ... but here's one example for Klis's story today (Wed 3/25). He states McDaniels engaged in the trade proposal as if it's accepted fact, not just an opinion or theory. You guys know how this goes, if a guy is arrested, he is just the "alleged" criminal until conviction ... or if the team was SERIOUSLY denying the trade efforts, reporters would write, "when McDanield reportedly became involved in a trade proposal."

But let's clear this up ... THIS IS NO BIG DEAL!

Nobody - not even Jay - is saying it was not okay for Josh to discuss and respond to trade offers. Jay's gripe was that supposedly Josh lied to him and said, "no we didn't." Now I'll admit I'm biased against newcomers - these are MY Broncos, and Josh hasn't proven a damn thing to me yet. So I think Josh should give Jay something - SOMETHING - to allow Jay's baby-ego to be soothed and give him cover to come back. And we're cool, Buster :thumbs:



And FWIW, IMO Cassel plus #5 and #20 in retunr for Jay would've been a good trade ;D

Have you seen Josh's interviews from the past couple of days?

Garcia Bronco
03-25-2009, 02:24 PM
That is bull****
although I think you have me on ignore so I doubt you will see it.

The only people who are "convinced" are the tards running around saying "Belicheck took a lesser deal to prove Cassel is his creation", or "the took a lesser deal to screw over McDaniels"

People act like these rumors are facts, even though many of them have already been debunked


BB even said he took the best compensation he could get.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
03-25-2009, 02:25 PM
I'm not trying to make this a big deal, really I'm not ... but here's one example for Klis's story today (Wed 3/25). He states McDaniels engaged in the trade proposal as if it's accepted fact, not just an opinion or theory. You guys know how this goes, if a guy is arrested, he is just the "alleged" criminal until conviction ... or if the team was SERIOUSLY denying the trade efforts, reporters would write, "when McDanield reportedly became involved in a trade proposal."


Except, it seems, when it comes to sensationalistic journalism, which we've seen an awful lot of this off season. Williamson, who I thought was once a pretty decent reporter, using "an anonymous source close to the situation" as the lead and headline, stating that Cutler was "more upset than ever" with the situation, and burying a statement from a NAMED SOURCE INSIDE THE ORGANIZATION that said exactly the opposite. Sure, it was mentioned in the last paragraph, but what got the lead? The sensational story.

And McDaniels DID engage in trade talks. They called him and talked. That's engagement right there.

Beantown Bronco
03-25-2009, 02:29 PM
BB even said he took the best compensation he could get.

He also said he didn't gain a competitive advantage by taping other teams' signals....

lex
03-25-2009, 02:29 PM
Except, it seems, when it comes to sensationalistic journalism, which we've seen an awful lot of this off season. Williamson, who I thought was once a pretty decent reporter, using "an anonymous source close to the situation" as the lead and headline, stating that Cutler was "more upset than ever" with the situation, and burying a statement from a NAMED SOURCE INSIDE THE ORGANIZATION that said exactly the opposite. Sure, it was mentioned in the last paragraph, but what got the lead? The sensational story.

And McDaniels DID engage in trade talks. They called him and talked. That's engagement right there.


Yeah, well in that same interview he denied having discussions with or about Julius Peppers so to exonerate himself from any tampering accusations. Where did that rumor come from? It could have been an invention of Peppers agent, but you also cant rule out the possibility that Belichick doesnt always tell the truth.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
03-25-2009, 02:30 PM
He also said he didn't gain a competitive advantage by taping other teams' signals....

Actually, the league said that.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
03-25-2009, 02:30 PM
Yeah, well in that same interview he denied having discussions with or about Julius Peppers so to exonerate himself from any tampering accusations. Where did that rumor come from? It could have been an invention of Peppers agent, but you also cant rule out the possibility that Belichick doesnt always tell the truth.

And you can't say with any certainty that he's lying all the time.

lex
03-25-2009, 02:32 PM
And you can't say with any certainty that he's lying all the time.

Am I saying he's lying all the time?

TheElusiveKyleOrton
03-25-2009, 02:33 PM
And you can't say with any certainty that he's lying all the time.

Uh oh! Better put me on your retarded list of "closet Patriot fans"!!!

lex
03-25-2009, 02:34 PM
Uh oh! Better put me on your retarded list of "closet Patriot fans"!!!

Youre definitely on the retarded list but you havent yet earned your way onto the Patriot Fan list.

Archer81
03-25-2009, 02:35 PM
Jesus...really? Still? Arguing the same insipid little points over and over and over...


:Broncos:

Popps
03-25-2009, 02:37 PM
THE RECORD,,ITS BROKEN!!!!!

The record?

Most awesomest coolest bitchenest posts ever?

Br0nc0Buster
03-25-2009, 02:39 PM
BB even said he took the best compensation he could get.

yes he did
which rules out that three way trade where Denver sends NE their 1st rounder
I think "kicking the tires" or something like that was the phrase used to describe others who asked about Cassel
I think the Chiefs were the only ones there who actually proposed a serious offer

crush17
03-25-2009, 02:39 PM
Uh oh! Better put me on your retarded list of "closet Patriot fans"!!!

LOL

TheElusiveKyleOrton
03-25-2009, 02:39 PM
Youre definitely on the retarded list but you havent yet earned your way onto the Patriot Fan list.

Good one. Is that one titled "The Lex Memorial Retard List"? I figured they'd name it after the guy who calls other folks fans of other teams, but has the Broncos logo upside-down in his avatar.

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
TARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRD.

DeusExManning
03-25-2009, 03:38 PM
I was rommates with a Type I Diabetic in college....

He would go out and drink with the best of em, but had to be WELL AWARE about the intake of his food before, during and after the party or wherever we were....he also had to be careful about what he was drinking...anything with sugar like Jager shots or Soco shots were deadly for him....not at the moment but the next day

HIs hangovers were the worst I've ever seen...when you sleep your body dehydrates and loses its sugar balance, and he would wake up pale as a ghost and sweating profusely...twice I had to wheel him to the medical center because he needed to have IVs put into him...he also had to have his stomach pumped once, while he was still awake, not because he drank too much but because his body didnt want to absorb the alcohol at the time so they needed to take it out manually...

all in all...YES he can drink....but NO he shouldnt


Maybe all of Jay's interviews and discussions with the Broncos have been when he was hungover and he is just really moody and that is why this has become so volatile.

Flex Gunmetal
03-25-2009, 03:44 PM
The record?

Most awesomest coolest b****enest posts ever?

You make the same post over and over and over and over and over and over and over.

ak1971
03-25-2009, 07:26 PM
http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk298/AK7745/drinking.jpg

baja
03-25-2009, 07:29 PM
LOL that about says it for how that usually goes.

Dedhed
03-25-2009, 07:36 PM
It will lead to kidney and liver problems eventually.

Or a diabetic coma if he passes out and forgets to take his insulin, or forgets to eat and takes his insulin. It's about as smart as bungee jumping with ropes tied to your ankles instead of bungee cords.

hambone13
03-25-2009, 08:08 PM
I was rommates with a Type I Diabetic in college....

He would go out and drink with the best of em, but had to be WELL AWARE about the intake of his food before, during and after the party or wherever we were....he also had to be careful about what he was drinking...anything with sugar like Jager shots or Soco shots were deadly for him....not at the moment but the next day

HIs hangovers were the worst I've ever seen...when you sleep your body dehydrates and loses its sugar balance, and he would wake up pale as a ghost and sweating profusely...twice I had to wheel him to the medical center because he needed to have IVs put into him...he also had to have his stomach pumped once, while he was still awake, not because he drank too much but because his body didnt want to absorb the alcohol at the time so they needed to take it out manually...

all in all...YES he can drink....but NO he shouldnt

I'm not going to get into a medical argument with you about whether or not a diabetic should be drinking in a "perfect health setting". No one should be drinking there. The fact that he's not being wheeled into the ER should be proof enough that he's not "drinkin' w/ the best of 'em".

My grandfather was a type I diabetic who lived well into his late 80's, drinking regularly and excessively (by definition-i.e. 8-10 drinks over 3-4 hours at a family reunion, etc.) occasionally because he was meticulous about managing his diet and blood sugar levels. He was actually harder to deal with when he wasn't drinking. His mood swings were ridiculous despite his attention to managing the problem. Almost anyone who knows a type I diabetic well, will agree with this. I'd say that is much more of a valid issue than booze in the saga as it exists right now.

I come from a very practical medical family (including 3 MD's) so my opinion is not motivated by "the bottle" and it's justification. It's just annoying to have this out there as a consideration.....

CEH
03-25-2009, 08:16 PM
I'm not going to get into a medical argument with you about whether or not a diabetic should be drinking in a "perfect health setting". No one should be drinking there. The fact that he's not being wheeled into the ER should be proof enough that he's not "drinkin' w/ the best of 'em".

My grandfather was a type I diabetic who lived well into his late 80's, drinking regularly and excessively (by definition-i.e. 8-10 drinks over 3-4 hours at a family reunion, etc.) occasionally because he was meticulous about managing his diet and blood sugar levels. He was actually harder to deal with when he wasn't drinking. His mood swings were ridiculous despite his attention to managing the problem. Almost anyone who knows a type I diabetic well, will agree with this. I'd say that is much more of a valid issue than booze in the saga as it exists right now.

I come from a very practical medical family (including 3 MD's) so my opinion is not motivated by "the bottle" and it's justification. It's just annoying to have this out there as a consideration.....


This is the same conclusion I heard from a 20 yr Type I diabetic. He said at some point you have to live your life and the mood swings were the real issue

BTW They put the text back in her report now stating concerns about alcohol and diabetes and still calling him stupid err not sharp

hambone13
03-25-2009, 08:26 PM
This is the same conclusion I heard from a 20 yr Type I diabetic. He said at some point you have to live your life and the mood swings were the real issue

BTW They put the text back in her report now stating concerns about alcohol and diabetes and still calling him stupid err not sharp

The thing with the mood swings is, you always knew that it was his condition and not his character that inspired the ridiculous things that came out of his mouth. The bottom line is, you have to know the person and believe in the person, in order to trust them between moods. All it takes is an ounce of patience and a sense of humor to get past it. Frankly, we spent a ton of time laughing about it WITH HIM when he wasn't his alter ego....I wouldn't have taken him any other way.

no-pseudo-fan
03-25-2009, 08:36 PM
I am calling complete BS.

Any good lie is mainly truth, with a couple of things twisted. You point out something that is true and no one will argue with, than add a couple of things and go a little into left field. I have had people believing that a guy was training to be a pit fighter because he always wore black cowboy boots with his suits, which is slightly strange, but didn't mean he was going to be a pit fighter(He is actually the Mayor now).

Now Jay drinks. True, I guess I don't know him. Jay has Diabetes, true. People with "betus" shouldn't drink a lot of adult beverages, true but no one should drink a lot. Alcohol is bad for you in excess. Water is bad for you in excess. Someone who drinks knowing he has a Type 1 must be stupid, I don't think so. She is leading people by connecting the dots, putting 2 and 2 together.

Now to the meat of the article. She is saying that McD is trying to deal Jay, and when asked why he says that it is because he is an alcoholic and too dumb. WOW.

So I am selling my car. Why? Well the engine is shot and and the clutch is about to go out.

Does that sould like a reasonable thing for someone who is shopping a defective product would say?

I don't believe a word of this. If I am dealing a PRO BOWL QB, I want to get as much as possible. Think about it.

BroncoBuff
03-25-2009, 10:54 PM
He also said he didn't gain a competitive advantage by taping other teams' signals....

See, that's another thing ... I gotta admit that's a burr under my skin in all this too.

This 32-year old kid is a newcomer to MY Broncos, and he's ticked off our best player. Since he's never been more than a coordinator before - a coordinator dropped into a dynasty - a dynasty where HIS offense was probably tipped off to defense's blitz calls - all that adds up to I'm giving Jay the benefit of the doubt.

Is Jay being a dick? Yes he is. He definitely IS a dick, we have enough credible guys on this board who've experienced his dickish-ness. But he's our dick. And until Josh proves something other than he's in over his head, with more power than a 32-year old never-been-a-head-coach deserves, then I'm basically thinking he should give in here and make some statement that lets Jay save face to come in.

And this is only my opinion, I'll admit this is mostly speculation, but: I think Josh is a coach's kid, comfortable with the kind of authority small college coaches enjoy, and hostile to star player - big salary player types. The fact that Jay is a baby/has an ego has only heightened that hostility. I'm betting Josh is a macho tough guy when he talks to Jay, with a thinly-veiled tint of hostility and power-assertion just beneath the surface ... his use of the impersonal pronouns, "the player," and "the quarterback," as well as him saying "Belichick didn't want to trade Matt to ME," and "all the football decisions go THROUGH ME," make this whole picture pretty clear. And the story about the Saturday meeting going bad? That just screamed to me that Josh is playing these tough guy power games with Jay ... he's making clear to Jay that HE'S in charge. Which is fine for a small college, but not so great when you're dealing with NFL-sized egos.

Just my opinion, but it's AS VALID OR MORE SO than these completely unsubstantiated thin-air theories that Jay is after a new contract.

I also believe Josh was behind the Goodman power-play ... Xanders doesn't seem to have any sway over anything. It's well settled that if you wanna know who committed the "murder," you look for who gained the most ... and "all football decisions go through me" explains who gained pretty clearly. All signs - ALL signs - point to Josh.

I'm not saying Josh won't make good on all this, I'm just saying he's throwing alotta weight around, writing alotta very VERY big checks.

baja
03-26-2009, 12:16 AM
I'm not going to get into a medical argument with you about whether or not a diabetic should be drinking in a "perfect health setting". No one should be drinking there. The fact that he's not being wheeled into the ER should be proof enough that he's not "drinkin' w/ the best of 'em".

My grandfather was a type I diabetic who lived well into his late 80's, drinking regularly and excessively (by definition-i.e. 8-10 drinks over 3-4 hours at a family reunion, etc.) occasionally because he was meticulous about managing his diet and blood sugar levels. He was actually harder to deal with when he wasn't drinking. His mood swings were ridiculous despite his attention to managing the problem. Almost anyone who knows a type I diabetic well, will agree with this. I'd say that is much more of a valid issue than booze in the saga as it exists right now.

I come from a very practical medical family (including 3 MD's) so my opinion is not motivated by "the bottle" and it's justification. It's just annoying to have this out there as a consideration.....

These disease related mood swings can sure explain alot about Jay's behavior.

Hulamau
03-26-2009, 01:18 AM
See, that's another thing ... I gotta admit that's a burr under my skin in all this too.

This 32-year old kid is a newcomer to MY Broncos, and he's ticked off our best player. Since he's never been more than a coordinator before - a coordinator dropped into a dynasty - a dynasty where HIS offense was probably tipped off to defense's blitz calls - all that adds up to I'm giving Jay the benefit of the doubt.

Is Jay being a dick? Yes he is. He definitely IS a dick, we have enough credible guys on this board who've experienced his dickish-ness. But he's our dick. And until Josh proves something other than he's in over his head, with more power than a 32-year old never-been-a-head-coach deserves, then I'm basically thinking he should give in here and make some statement that lets Jay save face to come in.

And this is only my opinion, I'll admit this is mostly speculation, but: I think Josh is a coach's kid, comfortable with the kind of authority small college coaches enjoy, and hostile to star player - big salary player types. The fact that Jay is a baby/has an ego has only heightened that hostility. I'm betting Josh is a macho tough guy when he talks to Jay, with a thinly-veiled tint of hostility and power-assertion just beneath the surface ... his use of the impersonal pronouns, "the player," and "the quarterback," as well as him saying "Belichick didn't want to trade Matt to ME," and "all the football decisions go THROUGH ME," make this whole picture pretty clear. And the story about the Saturday meeting going bad? That just screamed to me that Josh is playing these tough guy power games with Jay ... he's making clear to Jay that HE'S in charge. Which is fine for a small college, but not so great when you're dealing with NFL-sized egos.

Just my opinion, but it's AS VALID OR MORE SO than these completely unsubstantiated thin-air theories that Jay is after a new contract.

I also believe Josh was behind the Goodman power-play ... Xanders doesn't seem to have any sway over anything. It's well settled that if you wanna know who committed the "murder," you look for who gained the most ... and "all football decisions go through me" explains who gained pretty clearly. All signs - ALL signs - point to Josh.

I'm not saying Josh won't make good on all this, I'm just saying he's throwing alotta weight around, writing alotta very VERY big checks.

Committed what 'Murder'? At least you're honest about your feelings but most of your assumptions are emotional hunches and reading WAY too much innuendo and motive into McD's every word. That kind of myopic parsing through things can often led to missing the forest for the trees.

Your basic assumption is that since Jay is 'our guy' and McD, even though he is in an even more dominant and solid position on this team now, is some greenhorn outsider. Therefore, you have to side with Jay while acknowledging he is an immature Crybaby ( and possibly suffering from Diabetic mood swings or mood swings just from being a first class A**hole?), mostly because he is 'our (crybaby, immature, possibly emotionally unstable, brat) guy'.

And for McD he's a 'power mad controlling tyrant' because he used the words 'ME' and 'the player' a few times in a press conference!?

This is what I call an emotionally-based decision. That is fair enough and you are certainly entitled to your opinion BB, some of your takes I like as well, but this one comes up way short for me.

Here is another option for why McD said "any and all football matters on the Broncos come 'through' me" ... BECAUSE THEY DO! Its a simply matter of organizational fact as established in his hiring agreement and that has been a long tradition with Bowlen and his very successful stint as owner of this club! He didn't say "I determine every thing that happens ALONE in the football arena".

He said that when he was talking about trade requests from other teams and his point was (paraphrasing) 'I haven't heard of any trade requests directly, Xanders has fielded a few, but no one has come to me yet, And so let me state for the record to reassure all you press wolves and reassure Jay Cutler and his demon-buddy Bus that no FOOTBALL decisions or trades will be made around here without me knowing of it and being intimately involved in the process with a major influence on the outcome.'

That is what he was saying, in so many words. At the same time he IS a 32 year old guy having to come in and establish real authority and discipline on a struggling team who has had a rather 'Club-Med' existence in recent years.

Some of his players are even older than he is and so its only natural, and right I feel, for him to want to communicate that he is fair and open but also completely in charge here when it comes to purely football related matters. Not financial where Xanders, Ellis , Bowlen likely are the front runners.

That is precisely what he should do in his position as a new very young guy coming in and having to earn the respect and allegiance of all the players who are watching his every move. Will he develop more nuance in his inter-personal skills as he goes along? Sure he will, but nothing he is saying now is out of line.

He said clearly he was brought up and learned much of what he knows in the Belichick/NE system. And during these past 8 years there has been no other more successful and consistent franchise, and he has had a significant part in that success, the past few years in particular, so he absolutely is entitled to his opinion and convictions.

Bowlen hired the guy to bring some of that discipline and creativity to Denver, so until he falls flat on his face over the next few years, why not strap in and get with the program and realize McD is 'OUR GUY' in a big way, whether you like it or not! Give the guy at least a decent chance. That's been Cutler's big mistake too, McD could do wonders for Jay, just like Jay could be great for McD and the Broncos too.

This whole thing, if Jay really comes on board, is such a win-win situation all around, and for Jay to pout his way out of here is only cutting off his own nose to spite his face.

montrose
03-27-2009, 02:29 AM
http://community.kdvr.com/_ADDITIONAL-NOTE/BLOG/222517/96399.html?as=96399

ADDITIONAL NOTE

A portion of what was written in the "Secrets Inside the Cutler Trade talks" blog was briefly removed by our web supervisors to review for additional clarity.

That portion has been resubmitted subsequent to this process.

It is important to note, this portion was not briefly removed out of doubt of the primary source's information.

Man-Goblin
03-27-2009, 04:47 AM
http://community.kdvr.com/_ADDITIONAL-NOTE/BLOG/222517/96399.html?as=96399

ADDITIONAL NOTE

A portion of what was written in the "Secrets Inside the Cutler Trade talks" blog was briefly removed by our web supervisors to review for additional clarity.

That portion has been resubmitted subsequent to this process.

It is important to note, this portion was not briefly removed out of doubt of the primary source's information.

Oh Josina, you sassy minx. Make up your mind! Is Jay a dumb drunk or not???

lex
03-27-2009, 08:37 AM
http://community.kdvr.com/_ADDITIONAL-NOTE/BLOG/222517/96399.html?as=96399

ADDITIONAL NOTE

A portion of what was written in the "Secrets Inside the Cutler Trade talks" blog was briefly removed by our web supervisors to review for additional clarity.

That portion has been resubmitted subsequent to this process.

It is important to note, this portion was not briefly removed out of doubt of the primary source's information.

Im waiting to hear about her dismissal. Taking the stuff down isnt enough.

Beantown Bronco
03-27-2009, 08:38 AM
Im waiting to hear about her dismissal. Taking the stuff down isnt enough.

Why would they do that? Everything that was taken down was put back up, so obviously her info and report met the approval of her supervisors.

lex
03-27-2009, 08:41 AM
Why would they do that? Everything that was taken down was put back up, so obviously her info and report met the approval of her supervisors.

What makes you so sure that they simply require that there be a source. If theyre sued, and they have to produce a name as a source, theyd look dumb if there isnt one.

Beantown Bronco
03-27-2009, 08:47 AM
What makes you so sure that they simply require that there be a source. If theyre sued, and they have to produce a name as a source, theyd look dumb if there isnt one.

I'm not saying they won't be sued. I'm just saying that it's highly unlikely she'll ever be fired over this. Why? Because someone higher up on the food chain than her actively and conscously decided to put it all back up online after it was already taken down and analyzed (most likely by their legal department).

lex
03-27-2009, 09:01 AM
I'm not saying they won't be sued. I'm just saying that it's highly unlikely she'll ever be fired over this. Why? Because someone higher up on the food chain than her actively and conscously decided to put it all back up online after it was already taken down and analyzed (most likely by their legal department).

Fair enough. I guess I was a little confused. I thought the content was still taken down. But either way, youre probably right in that her whole angle of being the Entertainment Tonight of the sports pages is something they were, no doubt, already aware of and also likely supportive of. The whole idea is probably to stir the pot and truth is likely taking a back seat to sensationalism as long as they have a source, whoever that may be. I would hope most of the time, there would be a follow up with something like this letting McDaniels respond to it. The fact that this wasnt referenced is indicative.

fontaine
03-27-2009, 09:10 AM
These disease related mood swings can sure explain alot about Jay's behavior.

What?

Don't you get it baja? Cutler is an emo-crybaby, whining mopey mother****a!!

You can take you independant thoughts elsewhere Baja, here you take sides and don't ask questions!!!

TheElusiveKyleOrton
03-27-2009, 09:13 AM
Why would they do that? Everything that was taken down was put back up, so obviously her info and report met the approval of her supervisors.

Yeah, but her supervisors work for Fox. So... You know...

Circle Orange
03-27-2009, 09:14 AM
HIC now everybuddy, settle down. Nosh too git upset. Call all da gang!

Jim Beam
Johnny Walker (all three brothers...the red, the black, and the blue.)
Harvey Wallbanger
Tom Collins
Jose Cuervo
Ron Rico

HIC all jus git together....

Cawl JayZee Cutlins fo' a good time...:~ohyah!: ann hic, wake up wif a fren!

vancejohnson82
03-27-2009, 09:14 AM
I'm not going to get into a medical argument with you about whether or not a diabetic should be drinking in a "perfect health setting". No one should be drinking there. The fact that he's not being wheeled into the ER should be proof enough that he's not "drinkin' w/ the best of 'em".

My grandfather was a type I diabetic who lived well into his late 80's, drinking regularly and excessively (by definition-i.e. 8-10 drinks over 3-4 hours at a family reunion, etc.) occasionally because he was meticulous about managing his diet and blood sugar levels. He was actually harder to deal with when he wasn't drinking. His mood swings were ridiculous despite his attention to managing the problem. Almost anyone who knows a type I diabetic well, will agree with this. I'd say that is much more of a valid issue than booze in the saga as it exists right now.

I come from a very practical medical family (including 3 MD's) so my opinion is not motivated by "the bottle" and it's justification. It's just annoying to have this out there as a consideration.....


Wait a second, I don't understand where I was justifying it...actually, our conversations would have quite the opposite tone....it woudl be me telling him that i dont feel like taking him to the ER and him telling me that he was going to live his life the way he wanted

i'm not sure how I ruffled your feathers but i apologize....i was just letting you know my experience

and when I said with "the best of 'em" I mean that this kid came from a lineage of aloholics and would put almost all of us under the table when it came down to it...i wasnt trying to get into a pissing contest over medical knowledge or anything

vancejohnson82
03-27-2009, 09:18 AM
I'm not going to get into a medical argument with you about whether or not a diabetic should be drinking in a "perfect health setting". No one should be drinking there. The fact that he's not being wheeled into the ER should be proof enough that he's not "drinkin' w/ the best of 'em".

My grandfather was a type I diabetic who lived well into his late 80's, drinking regularly and excessively (by definition-i.e. 8-10 drinks over 3-4 hours at a family reunion, etc.) occasionally because he was meticulous about managing his diet and blood sugar levels. He was actually harder to deal with when he wasn't drinking. His mood swings were ridiculous despite his attention to managing the problem. Almost anyone who knows a type I diabetic well, will agree with this. I'd say that is much more of a valid issue than booze in the saga as it exists right now.

I come from a very practical medical family (including 3 MD's) so my opinion is not motivated by "the bottle" and it's justification. It's just annoying to have this out there as a consideration.....


let me also point out that i was dealing with a 19 year old who had been diagnosed with diabetes at 15.....so its a much closer comparison to what Jay probably has had to go through recently....the limitations and awareness level were defintely not present in my friends mindframe, as I'm sure they arent yet for Jay

montrose
03-27-2009, 09:32 AM
I guess I was a little confused. I thought the content was still taken down.

It was put back up - http://community.kdvr.com/_Source-Secrets-Inside-Cutler-Trade-Talks/BLOG/220410/96399.html;jsessionid=A94F5056ADDFFD8B53557D3AF21F D206?as=96399

(Again this was relayed to my ears, from their ears. The following is what was heard by my source in these trade whispers, not what FOX31 cites as definite facts about Cutler.)

Two things that kept coming up were concerns about Cutler's alcohol consumption (given his diabetes) and "that's he not that (football) sharp."

"That scared the crap out of McDaniels,” the source told me.

Irish Stout
03-27-2009, 10:08 AM
I'm not saying they won't be sued. I'm just saying that it's highly unlikely she'll ever be fired over this. Why? Because someone higher up on the food chain than her actively and conscously decided to put it all back up online after it was already taken down and analyzed (most likely by their legal department).

What can they get sued on? Not much. Any defamation suit of a person of Jay or McD's stature is harder to prove than a joe schmoe posting on the Omane. Secondly, she is quoting her source and they would have to sue the source and her for reporting what the source said. If they cannot find the source or cannot prove that the source's information was patently and knowingly false for the purpose of injurying Jay or McD, then theres no case.

I think they initially took it down because it appeared to inflamatory journalism, then put it back up when it was drawing so much attention. The information of what was previously posted already was floating around on the interwebs and spreading like a brush fire... why not put it back up? Once the cat's out of the bag can you really get it back in? No.

Beantown Bronco
03-27-2009, 10:17 AM
If it's one thing I've learned, it's that one can always find a reason to sue if they really want to. Having said that, don't misinterpret my quote above. I'm neither saying they will be sued or won't be sued. The only thing I was explicitly stating was that she won't be fired over this.