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BabyTO
03-22-2009, 09:40 PM
Sources have said the Browns are willing to part with any player except left tackle Joe Thomas and linebacker D'Qwell Jackson. They also would like to move down from the No. 5 spot in the draft.

The names of Brady Quinn, Derek Anderson, Braylon Edwards and Shaun Rogers have surfaced in trade rumors. The Browns haven't addressed the rumors -- they won't even confirm visits from free agents -- but Mangini and Kokinis consistently have said they would consider anything to improve the team.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2009/03/nfl_meetings_offer_cleveland_b.html

IMO

Broncos: Cutler, Sheffler, #12

Browns: Quinn, Rogers, #5, 2nd round 09

Hercules Rockefeller
03-22-2009, 09:42 PM
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2009/03/nfl_meetings_offer_cleveland_b.html

IMO

Broncos: Cutler, Sheffler, #12

Browns: Quinn, Rogers, #5, 2nd round 09

Cutler > Quinn and #5

#12 > Rogers and a 2nd round pick

Scheffler

TDmvp
03-22-2009, 09:42 PM
http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg268/hxcp00p/Family_Guy__Barf.gif

NFLBRONCO
03-22-2009, 09:42 PM
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2009/03/nfl_meetings_offer_cleveland_b.html

IMO

Broncos: Cutler, Sheffler, #12

Browns: Quinn, Rogers, #5, 2nd round 09

I would hope Denver wouldn't be that stupid.

SoCalBronco
03-22-2009, 09:42 PM
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2009/03/nfl_meetings_offer_cleveland_b.html

IMO

Broncos: Cutler, Sheffler, #12

Browns: Quinn, Rogers, #5, 2nd round 09

Yeah......this isn't exactly what I want to see from the Denver QB.


http://deadspin.com/assets/resources/2007/05/yipesbrady.jpg

Oh....and his game is weak, too.

Dudeskey
03-22-2009, 09:42 PM
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2009/03/nfl_meetings_offer_cleveland_b.html

IMO

Broncos: Cutler, Sheffler, #12

Browns: Quinn, Rogers, #5, 2nd round 09

So what do the Browns do w/ Solja boy?...

Seriously though, NO SALE!!!

Hercules Rockefeller
03-22-2009, 09:44 PM
So what do the Browns do w/ Solja boy?...

I'd trade him to Tampa if I was the Browns FO.

Dr. Broncenstein
03-22-2009, 09:45 PM
So what do the Browns do w/ Solja boy?...

Seriously though, NO SALE!!!

Was it comfortable living under a rock for the past month?

TDmvp
03-22-2009, 09:47 PM
Yea , this is the guy I want Qbing my Broncos ... Not ...



http://206forthetwenties.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/586-gay1.jpg
http://sportscracklepop.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/brady.jpg


Yea I can imagine the GREAT photoshop jobs from Oak and Kc fans ...
and besides all that he is a average QB at HIS best ...

TDmvp
03-22-2009, 09:47 PM
Damn you Socal LOL

SoCalBronco
03-22-2009, 09:54 PM
Yea I can imagine the GREAT photoshop jobs from Oak and Kc fans ...


That's true.....although Bob would probably be giving Quinn props for that.

HEAV
03-22-2009, 09:55 PM
Cutler > Quinn and #5

#12 > Rogers and a 2nd round pick

Scheffler

What about this:

Cutler and 12th for Quinn, the 5th and a future #1?

SoCalBronco
03-22-2009, 09:56 PM
What about this:

Cutler and 12th for Quinn, the 5th and a future #1?

We'd still be getting raped.

epicSocialism4tw
03-22-2009, 09:56 PM
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2009/03/nfl_meetings_offer_cleveland_b.html

IMO

Broncos: Cutler, Sheffler, #12

Browns: Quinn, Rogers, #5, 2nd round 09

That's horrifying.

Hercules Rockefeller
03-22-2009, 09:59 PM
What about this:

Cutler and 12th for Quinn, the 5th and a future #1?

Denver's still giving up the 2 more valuable pieces if you break it down, since the 12th is going to be more valuable than a future 1st that could be anywhere in the round.

If Denver plans to move Cutler, in no way shape or form should they be moving the 12th pick with him. Whoever they take back will be a downgrade at QB, they shouldn't also end up just swapping 1sts with someone too.

HEAV
03-22-2009, 09:59 PM
We'd still be getting raped.

Maybe, but the Brown could end up with another top 5 pick in 2010.

HEAV
03-22-2009, 10:01 PM
Denver's still giving up the 2 more valuable pieces if you break it down, since the 12th is going to be more valuable than a future 1st that could be anywhere in the round.

If Denver plans to move Cutler, in no way shape or form should they be moving the 12th pick with him. Whoever they take back will be a downgrade at QB, they shouldn't also end up just swapping 1sts with someone too.


I'm just thinking about spreading out the cost of paying high draft picks over two years.

Hercules Rockefeller
03-22-2009, 10:01 PM
Maybe, but the Brown could end up with another top 5 pick in 2010.

Could isn't good enough, especially when they still have a 1st in the Top 12 and they're giving up a roster player at a position they're upgrading in the trade. In that scenario, I highly doubt that future 1st is in the top half of the 1st round.

You take out #12, and that's a damn good offer for Cutler. You include #12, and there's no incentive for Denver to trade him.

Dr. Broncenstein
03-22-2009, 10:01 PM
http://i.pbase.com/g4/54/681354/2/63118607.AtKcbMDY.jpg

Omigad teh hands on crotchal region!!!

Archer81
03-22-2009, 10:02 PM
Yea , this is the guy I want Qbing my Broncos ... Not ...



http://206forthetwenties.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/586-gay1.jpg
http://sportscracklepop.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/brady.jpg


Yea I can imagine the GREAT photoshop jobs from Oak and Kc fans ...
and besides all that he is a average QB at HIS best ...


We dont know the extent of Quinn's potential. Not like he has a few full seasons of play under his belt. But he would be familiar with offensive terminology McDaniels would bring and have a better understanding of how the offense works. Also, if, IF we trade for Quinn, and he wins, raiders and chiefs can photoshop all they like.

:Broncos:

DeusExManning
03-22-2009, 10:03 PM
We'd still be getting raped.

Quinn the 5th and Rogers for Cutler and nothing else.

Hercules Rockefeller
03-22-2009, 10:03 PM
I'm just thinking about spreading out the cost of paying high draft picks over two years.

If money's a concern, you don't trade Jay

epicSocialism4tw
03-22-2009, 10:04 PM
Quinn the 5th and Rogers for Cutler and nothing else.

add another #1 and it looks closer to pheasable.

Los Broncos
03-22-2009, 10:06 PM
Now he's done.

BabyTO
03-22-2009, 10:08 PM
Maybe, but the Brown could end up with another top 5 pick in 2010.
Oh no, Cutler is worth a billion 1st round picks. Thats exactly why we want to get rid of him. The Cutler nuthuggers are amazing. Hilarious!

Wes Mantooth
03-22-2009, 10:08 PM
Derek Anderson is a better choice than the Myoplex pretty boy.

HEAV
03-22-2009, 10:09 PM
If money's a concern, you don't trade Jay

Not sure if that's a option...Jay could force this.

Dudeskey
03-22-2009, 10:10 PM
Was it comfortable living under a rock for the past month?

I wasn't aware he was no longer a Brown. I don't really follow things all NFL. Mainly Broncos...

Dr. Broncenstein
03-22-2009, 10:10 PM
Not sure if that's a option...Jay could force this.

How? By holding out? Is Jay going to sit out 3 of his prime years and cough up millions to do it?

HEAV
03-22-2009, 10:18 PM
How? By holding out? Is Jay going to sit out 3 of his prime years and cough up millions to do it?

How really know's what's going on in his 25/26 yearold head. Not to mention Bus Cooks.

Hercules Rockefeller
03-22-2009, 10:24 PM
How really know's what's going on in his 25/26 yearold head. Not to mention Bus Cooks.

He's got too much time left on his deal and if he doesn't report, he doesn't get credit for the season(s). He can't force **** at this point.

Orange_Beard
03-22-2009, 10:24 PM
Yeah......this isn't exactly what I want to see from the Denver QB.


http://deadspin.com/assets/resources/2007/05/yipesbrady.jpg

Oh....and his game is weak, too.

Hold old is that boy in the yellow shirt?

Does not look 18 to me.

Dr. Broncenstein
03-22-2009, 10:24 PM
How really know's what's going on in his 25/26 yearold head. Not to mention Bus Cooks.

Jay can melt down till the cows come home, but at the end of the day he and Cook have zero leverage.... and can't force anything in the way of an extension.

SoCalBronco
03-22-2009, 10:25 PM
Hold old is that boy in the yellow shirt?

Does not look 18 to me.

We need to photoshop Bob's face onto that boy in the yellow shirt.

TDmvp...where are you? :)

Dr. Broncenstein
03-22-2009, 10:26 PM
Hold old is that boy in the yellow shirt?

Does not look 18 to me.


http://www.lolpedo.com/pics/pedobear-too-old.jpg

Dudeskey
03-22-2009, 10:28 PM
http://www.lolpedo.com/pics/pedobear-too-old.jpg

Too old for Michael Jackson...

Archer81
03-22-2009, 10:29 PM
Actually looking at the photo with the kid in the yellow shirt...the only one who is actually grasping anything is the kid on the left. Quinn and the kid in yellow are flat handing it.


:Broncos:

DBroncos4life
03-22-2009, 10:31 PM
Its not gay cause it was in college

Dudeskey
03-22-2009, 10:31 PM
Actually looking at the photo with the kid in the yellow shirt...the only one who is actually grasping anything is the kid on the left. Quinn and the kid in yellow are flat handing it.


:Broncos:

Still though....

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l171/mvp79/Gay_Alarm.jpg

worm
03-22-2009, 10:33 PM
Sources have said the Browns are willing to part with any player except left tackle Joe Thomas and linebacker D'Qwell Jackson. They also would like to move down from the No. 5 spot in the draft.

The names of Brady Quinn, Derek Anderson, Braylon Edwards and Shaun Rogers have surfaced in trade rumors. The Browns haven't addressed the rumors -- they won't even confirm visits from free agents -- but Mangini and Kokinis consistently have said they would consider anything to improve the team.

Amazing that other FOs can give the message that they will do anything to improve..yet acknowledge that they have cornerstone pieces that they are unwilling to trade.

Archer81
03-22-2009, 10:34 PM
Still though....

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l171/mvp79/Gay_Alarm.jpg


Undoubtedley. But Seinfeld covered this. If it moves, does that mean you are gay? The kid on the left certainly believes so.


:Broncos:

SoCalBronco
03-22-2009, 10:34 PM
the only one who is actually grasping anything is the kid on the left.

Ok...in that case, then we'll have TDmvp photoshop Bob's face onto the kid on the left.

Archer81
03-22-2009, 10:35 PM
Amazing that other FOs can give the message that they will do anything to improve..yet acknowledge that they have cornerstone pieces that they are unwilling to trade.


Huh...maybe our "franchise" QB is not a cornerstone.


:Broncos:

lex
03-22-2009, 10:37 PM
Id almost rather have 2 firsts that would most likely come in a trade with the Jets.

Jets give: Dustin Keller, Kris Jenkins, #17, #52, #76, 2010 1st,
Jets get: Jay Cutler, Tony Scheffler, Shaun Rogers

Browns give: Brady Quinn, Shaun Rogers, #36
Browns get: Dustin Keller, NYJ #52, Den #141, NYJ 2010 1st

Broncos give: Jay Cutler, Tony Scheffler, #141 (5th)
Broncos get: Brady Quinn, Kris Jenkins, NYJ #17, Cle #36, NYJ #76

This would give Denver:

Rd 1: #12, #17
Rd 2: #36, #48
Rd 3: #76, #79
Rd 4: #110
Rd 5: #132
Rd 6: #172
Rd 7: #208, #218

Dr. Broncenstein
03-22-2009, 10:39 PM
DA
Josh Cribbs
Braylen Edwards
#5 2009
2010 second rounder

That's the kind of bomb it will take to move Cutler.

Hercules Rockefeller
03-22-2009, 10:40 PM
Too many teams, too many pieces.

Dudeskey
03-22-2009, 10:41 PM
Undoubtedley. But Seinfeld covered this. If it moves, does that mean you are gay? The kid on the left certainly believes so.


:Broncos:

I'll be damned....

worm
03-22-2009, 10:41 PM
Huh...maybe our "franchise" QB is not a cornerstone.


:Broncos:

...maybe he wants to be traded to somewhere where they think he is.

Archer81
03-22-2009, 10:43 PM
Id almost rather have 2 firsts that would most likely come in a trade with the Jets.

Jets give: Dustin Keller, Kris Jenkins, #17, #52, #76, 2010 1st,
Jets get: Jay Cutler, Tony Scheffler, Shaun Rogers

Browns give: Brady Quinn, Shaun Rogers, #36
Browns get: Dustin Keller, NYJ #52, Den #141, NYJ 2010 1st

Broncos give: Jay Cutler, Tony Scheffler, #141 (5th)
Broncos get: Brady Quinn, Kris Jenkins, NYJ #17, Cle #36, NYJ #76

This would give Denver:

Rd 1: #12, #17
Rd 2: #36, #48
Rd 3: #76, #79
Rd 4: #110
Rd 5: #132
Rd 6: #172
Rd 7: #208, #218


Thats what Solomon Wilcox thinks.


:Broncos:

Dudeskey
03-22-2009, 10:43 PM
DA
Josh Cribbs
Braylen Edwards
#5 2009
2010 second rounder

That's the kind of bomb it will take to move Cutler.

Nice ST upgrade w/ Cribbs, plus would give us another WR in Marshall's stead in the event of a suspension...

lex
03-22-2009, 10:47 PM
Thats what Solomon Wilcox thinks.


:Broncos:


Really? I hadnt heard him drill into it with that kind of depth.

Archer81
03-22-2009, 10:48 PM
Really? I hadnt heard him drill into it with that kind of depth.


Last night at 3 am I was watching NFL Network, they did a week inr eview piece, had him talking about it. He said NY would make the most sense.


:Broncos:

lex
03-22-2009, 10:53 PM
Last night at 3 am I was watching NFL Network, they did a week inr eview piece, had him talking about it. He said NY would make the most sense.


:Broncos:


I dont know if it makes the most sense but Tannenbaum seems like the kind of guy who is wanting to make a big splash and wanting to win now.

I actually liked Josh Johnson last year. He's with Tampa, which has similar picks to NYJ. Orton is a game manager type that might also work. Chicago also has similar pieces to make it work to what NY and TB can offer. Also, SF is a dark horse. I think Alex Smith might be something to work with and also they have the #10. None of these guys are as good as Cutler at throwing the football but they are less risky. We'd have to improve our running game which was probably a good idea anyway.

Archer81
03-22-2009, 10:58 PM
I dont know if it makes the most sense but Tannenbaum seems like the kind of guy who is wanting to make a big splash and wanting to win now.

I actually liked Josh Johnson last year. He's with Tampa, which has similar picks to NYJ. Orton is a game manager type that might also work. Chicago also has similar pieces to make it work to what NY and TB can offer. Also, SF is a dark horse. I think Alex Smith might be something to work with and also they have the #10. None of these guys are as good as Cutler at throwing the football but they are less risky. We'd have to improve our running game which was probably a good idea anyway.


I'd prefer to keep Jay. Attitude and all. We'll see how it winds up though.


:Broncos:

epicSocialism4tw
03-22-2009, 11:02 PM
Brady Sackcoddle Quinn is not a reasonable replacement for Jay unless he is part of a Herschel Walker deal.

BroncoMan4ever
03-22-2009, 11:09 PM
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2009/03/nfl_meetings_offer_cleveland_b.html

IMO

Broncos: Cutler, Sheffler, #12

Browns: Quinn, Rogers, #5, 2nd round 09

we're getting raped in that deal. Cutler alone should get us Quinn, Rodgers and a mid round pick at the least, adding in Scheff and the 12th pick is just giving them way too much.

DBroncos4life
03-22-2009, 11:09 PM
funny the only reason Quinn looked good last year was cause he got to play against us.

lex
03-22-2009, 11:10 PM
Heres another scenario I thought of:

Philly gives: Donovan McNabb, #20, #28, L.J. Smith, #85
Philly gets: Jay Cutler, Tony Scheffler, #5, D.J. Williams

Clevland gives: Brady Quinn, Shaun Rogers, #5,
Cleveland gets: Donovan McNabb, L.J. Smith, #141

Denver gives: Jay Cutler, Tony Scheffler, D.J. Williams, #141
Denver gets: Brady Quinn, Shaun Rogers, #20, #28, #85


That would leave Denver with:
Rd 1: 12, 20, 28
Rd 2: 48
Rd 3: 79, 85
Rd 4: 110
Rd 5: 132
Rd 6: 172
Rd 7: 208, 218

TDmvp
03-22-2009, 11:15 PM
Ok...in that case, then we'll have TDmvp photoshop Bob's face onto the kid on the left.



Hilarious!
Fat Bob or Not as fat Bob that is the question ...

BabyTO
03-22-2009, 11:16 PM
we're getting raped in that deal. Cutler alone should get us Quinn, Rodgers and a mid round pick at the least, adding in Scheff and the 12th pick is just giving them way too much.
Well Cutler would get us Quinn, a 2nd round pick (which is basically a late 1st round pick) and Rogers, that's a great deal for us IMO. Then you add in the swap in the 1st round (#5 vs #12), that's another 2nd round pick right there. Sheffler is barely worth a 3rd round pick.

BabyTO
03-22-2009, 11:18 PM
Heres another scenario I thought of:

Philly gives: Donovan McNabb, #20, #28, L.J. Smith, #85
Philly gets: Jay Cutler, Tony Scheffler, #5, D.J. Williams

Clevland gives: Brady Quinn, Shaun Rogers, #5,
Cleveland gets: Donovan McNabb, L.J. Smith, #141

Denver gives: Jay Cutler, Tony Scheffler, D.J. Williams, #141
Denver gets: Brady Quinn, Shaun Rogers, #20, #28, #85


That would leave Denver with:
Rd 1: 12, 20, 28
Rd 2: 48
Rd 3: 79, 85
Rd 4: 110
Rd 5: 132
Rd 6: 172
Rd 7: 208, 218

LJ Smith already signed with the Ravens. :p
I also don't think we would be willing to trade DJ, he's the only good LB on our team and in the 3-4 it'll be huge to have a good ILB.

lex
03-22-2009, 11:20 PM
Well Cutler would get us Quinn, a 2nd round pick (which is basically a late 1st round pick) and Rogers, that's a great deal for us IMO. Then you add in the swap in the 1st round (#5 vs #12), that's another 2nd round pick right there. Sheffler is barely worth a 3rd round pick.


Rogers = Scheffler

Cutler = A quality player and 2 firsts.

lex
03-22-2009, 11:22 PM
LJ Smith already signed with the Ravens. :p
I also don't think we would be willing to trade DJ, he's the only good LB on our team and in the 3-4 it'll be huge to have a good ILB.

OK, Im looking at older info, I guess. Scratch him then. Maybe a 3rd or 4th to Cleveland instead then.

manchambo
03-22-2009, 11:25 PM
I think folks are undervaluing Rodgers here. Pro Bowl NTs are near as rare as Pro Bowl QBs.

I'm not sure the value is even, but it's not as far off as people are making it out to be.

spdirty
03-22-2009, 11:26 PM
God I hate trade scenarios that involve Cutler. Like my stomach does a somersault every time I think of Cutler in a Browns uni and Brady Quinn a Bronco.

manchambo
03-22-2009, 11:27 PM
Rogers = Scheffler

Cutler = A quality player and 2 firsts.

In what world is Scheffler worth as much as Rogers? He's a TE, which isn't even a very valuable position, and he's always injured.

manchambo
03-22-2009, 11:28 PM
God I hate trade scenarios that involve Cutler. Like my stomach does a somersault every time I think of Cutler in a Browns uni and Brady Quinn a Bronco.


I hate the idea as much as anyone, but to me a scenario that brings back a potential starter at QB, brings in a talent for the D-line, and moves us up in the draft, is about as good as it gets.

want2bAbronco2
03-22-2009, 11:34 PM
If we trade with the Browns we should get 5th pick, Quinn, next years #1, and a player this year for Cutler. No way we should trade Cutler AND our 12th pick.

NFLBRONCO
03-22-2009, 11:38 PM
Heres another scenario I thought of:

Philly gives: Donovan McNabb, #20, #28, L.J. Smith, #85
Philly gets: Jay Cutler, Tony Scheffler, #5, D.J. Williams

Clevland gives: Brady Quinn, Shaun Rogers, #5,
Cleveland gets: Donovan McNabb, L.J. Smith, #141

Denver gives: Jay Cutler, Tony Scheffler, D.J. Williams, #141
Denver gets: Brady Quinn, Shaun Rogers, #20, #28, #85


That would leave Denver with:
Rd 1: 12, 20, 28
Rd 2: 48
Rd 3: 79, 85
Rd 4: 110
Rd 5: 132
Rd 6: 172
Rd 7: 208, 218

Det has #20 you mean #21. I doubt we would move DJ and I'd rather get 2010 #1. Nice effort though.

SportinOne
03-22-2009, 11:40 PM
I would love to get a king's ransom for him but i just don't see it happening any more. Two 1sts and a player, sadly, probably sounds about right.

They probably won't net much for Scheffler, either. I would be a little surprised if we got a 3rd and I would be shocked if we got a 2nd for him. Likely, we will get a 4th. Anything worse than that and I don't know why you would trade him.

OrangeRising
03-22-2009, 11:51 PM
I really hate the idea of losing Jay Cutler, even if it meant getting the #1 over-all choice and using for Matt Stafford, and that doesn't seem probable. Even Browns fans aren't sold on Quinn even though he does everything he possibly can to endear himself to the Cleveland fan base. He just seems to be a run of the mill prospect, where Cutler just seems to have limitless potential.

lex
03-23-2009, 12:10 AM
In what world is Scheffler worth as much as Rogers? He's a TE, which isn't even a very valuable position, and he's always injured.

Age, disgruntled, contract.

SouthStndJunkie
03-23-2009, 12:32 AM
How? By holding out? Is Jay going to sit out 3 of his prime years and cough up millions to do it?

Yep....Denver has all the leverage.

Which is why Denver should keep him and see how it works out this year.

After that, if he and McCassellover can't make it work out, then they can revisit the situation....but these two have to try and make it work and see how it goes.

Bronco X
03-23-2009, 12:41 AM
I would love to get a king's ransom for him but i just don't see it happening any more.

Then they don't trade him. Call his bluff, make him hold out if he wants to.

Tell teams "You want Cutler, go ransom a friggin' king." Sit and wait until some team does it. If no team does it, Cutler may decide to play and who knows, it may end up working out here.

It's the only thing to do.

SouthStndJunkie
03-23-2009, 12:48 AM
Jay Cutler will not hold out....not with 3 years left on his deal.

He will come in and play and practice when he is required to.

kappys
03-23-2009, 12:52 AM
The thing about most holdouts is that the guys are making a lot of money, meaning that if they report then the team has to account for the salary cap.

Fortunately Jay is still making peanuts meaning he can't even do that. We could sit pat, even draft a QB if we had to and wait him out.

BroncoMan4ever
03-23-2009, 01:34 AM
Rogers = Scheffler

Cutler = A quality player and 2 firsts.

thank you, exactly what i was trying to say

Dedhed
03-23-2009, 03:30 AM
Not sure if that's a option...Jay could force this.

No he can't.

Dedhed
03-23-2009, 04:16 AM
Quinn is about the only QB out there who has franchise potential. He's young and has some familiarity with the system that we're going to be running.

He's certainly not as physically gifted as Cutler, but he's everything that Cutler isn't in terms of being the head of a franchise. He's more physically gifted than Brady or Cassel.

Still it's going to take a boat in order to get Cutler out of Denver. The Broncos can set a very steep price knowing that if they don't get that price they simply will keep him as Cutler can't afford to hold out. And I mean he literally can't afford it.

Here's what would sell me in a straight up deal with the Browns:
Brady Quinn
Shaun Rogers
#5
and a 2010 2nd

I think adding Rogers would be a huge deal for this team. Rookie DTs are rarely impact players, and this is a pretty weak DT class and extremely weak for NT prospects.

Getting Rogers would give us the all-important NT to build a 3-4 around and would allow us to use the draft to solidify other positions on the front 7 where there is legitimate 1st round talent and players who would likely have a greater 1st year impact.

At #5 we would have a shot at guys like Everette Brown, who I love, and at #12 we could get Tyson Jackson.

I think that adding Quinn, Rogers, and guys like Brown and Jackson would make us a better football team next year than keeping Cutler and we'd still have an extra high round pick in 2010.

Broncojef
03-23-2009, 04:30 AM
Quinn is about the only QB out there who has franchise potential. He's young and has some familiarity with the system that we're going to be running.

He's certainly not as physically gifted as Cutler, but he's everything that Cutler isn't in terms of being the head of a franchise. He's more physically gifted than Brady or Cassel.

Still it's going to take a boat in order to get Cutler out of Denver. The Broncos can set a very steep price knowing that if they don't get that price they simply will keep him as Cutler can't afford to hold out. And I mean he literally can't afford it.

Here's what would sell me in a straight up deal with the Browns:
Brady Quinn
Shaun Rogers
#5
and a 2010 2nd

I think adding Rogers would be a huge deal for this team. Rookie DTs are rarely impact players, and this is a pretty weak DT class and extremely weak for NT prospects.

Getting Rogers would give us the all-important NT to build a 3-4 around and would allow us to use the draft to solidify other positions on the front 7 where there is legitimate 1st round talent and players who would likely have a greater 1st year impact.

At #5 we would have a shot at guys like Everette Brown, who I love, and at #12 we could get Tyson Jackson.

I think that adding Quinn, Rogers, and guys like Brown and Jackson would make us a better football team next year than keeping Cutler and we'd still have an extra high round pick in 2010.

I hope Pat/Josh/Xanders reads this...exactly what we need IMO.

Traveler
03-23-2009, 06:03 AM
Quinn is about the only QB out there who has franchise potential. He's young and has some familiarity with the system that we're going to be running.

He's certainly not as physically gifted as Cutler, but he's everything that Cutler isn't in terms of being the head of a franchise. He's more physically gifted than Brady or Cassel.

Still it's going to take a boat in order to get Cutler out of Denver. The Broncos can set a very steep price knowing that if they don't get that price they simply will keep him as Cutler can't afford to hold out. And I mean he literally can't afford it.

Here's what would sell me in a straight up deal with the Browns:
Brady Quinn
Shaun Rogers
#5
and a 2010 2nd

I think adding Rogers would be a huge deal for this team. Rookie DTs are rarely impact players, and this is a pretty weak DT class and extremely weak for NT prospects.

Getting Rogers would give us the all-important NT to build a 3-4 around and would allow us to use the draft to solidify other positions on the front 7 where there is legitimate 1st round talent and players who would likely have a greater 1st year impact.

At #5 we would have a shot at guys like Everette Brown, who I love, and at #12 we could get Tyson Jackson.

I think that adding Quinn, Rogers, and guys like Brown and Jackson would make us a better football team next year than keeping Cutler and we'd still have an extra high round pick in 2010.

Just a note that Jackson's combine & pro day were so unimpressive that he's now viewed as a 2nd rounder.

Hercules Rockefeller
03-23-2009, 07:01 AM
OK, Im looking at older info, I guess.

Madden?

Broncoman13
03-23-2009, 07:19 AM
I hope Pat/Josh/Xanders reads this...exactly what we need IMO.

The problem is, why would the Browns want another #1 QB? They aren't going to trade straight up for Cutler, it would take a 3rd team.

I came up with this in another thread:

And what works??? I've heard some people talking about 3500 points and a player or something. Is that reasonable or possible?


Lions:
Jay Cutler

Broncos:
Quinn, Rogers, #5, and #33

Browns:
Scheffler, #1 overall


I don't know, maybe this is a little Elway777esque and is completely illogical. But, This is the kind of deal it would take for me to be okay with losing Cutler.

-Detroit wouldn't lose a future first in this deal and would still have a chance at a OT in the first (Oher most likely).

-Cleveland gets their TE and unloads disgruntled Rogers. They also move up in the first for a chance at Curry. With reports that Cleveland would rather move down though, this is the part of the trade that is really unlikely. And, I can't see any scenario that Denver would take #1 and #5 and give up #12 and #20 to Cleveland.

-Denver would have a great deal of flexibility with the current draft picks. More likely would be that Denver allows Detroit to keep #33 in this type of deal for a future 1st. Denver would have a QB, DT, #5 (Orakpo/Brown ROLB), #12 (Beanie Wells could also go Cushing/Maualuga/Jenkins), #33 (Connor Barwin/James Laurinaitis) and #48 (Jaron Gilbert/Ziggy Hood)

-So best case scenario we would get:
Brady Quinn (QB of the future?)
Shaun Rogers (NT)
Orakpo (ROLB-Joker w/experience as 3-4 LB)
Wells (235# 4.4 speed and power)
James Larinaitis (ILB brings a good work ethic and football savvy)
Gilbert (3-4 DE, outstanding size and athleticism)

Or we could keep Cutler and have:
Cutler
Cushing/Maualuga
Gilbert/Hood

IMO, if you can improve your team with a huge injection of talent... YOU TRADE CUTLER!

oubronco
03-23-2009, 07:25 AM
This is what we have to look forward to ....................I Hate McDaniels

Steve Sewell
03-23-2009, 07:35 AM
Its not gay cause it was in college

It's only gay if they kiss, right?

Steve Sewell
03-23-2009, 07:40 AM
Just think, all of this could have been avoided if our head coach wasn't a complete dumbass!

cutthemdown
03-23-2009, 07:41 AM
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2009/03/nfl_meetings_offer_cleveland_b.html

IMO

Broncos: Cutler, Sheffler, #12

Browns: Quinn, Rogers, #5, 2nd round 09

screw that

Broncos, Cutler

Browns, Quin, Rogers and #5

gyldenlove
03-23-2009, 07:41 AM
Hmmm, sources.

This is about as believable as OJ Simpsons defense lawyer.

Drek
03-23-2009, 07:52 AM
Quinn is about the only QB out there who has franchise potential. He's young and has some familiarity with the system that we're going to be running.

He's certainly not as physically gifted as Cutler, but he's everything that Cutler isn't in terms of being the head of a franchise. He's more physically gifted than Brady or Cassel.

Still it's going to take a boat in order to get Cutler out of Denver. The Broncos can set a very steep price knowing that if they don't get that price they simply will keep him as Cutler can't afford to hold out. And I mean he literally can't afford it.

Here's what would sell me in a straight up deal with the Browns:
Brady Quinn
Shaun Rogers
#5
and a 2010 2nd

I think adding Rogers would be a huge deal for this team. Rookie DTs are rarely impact players, and this is a pretty weak DT class and extremely weak for NT prospects.

Getting Rogers would give us the all-important NT to build a 3-4 around and would allow us to use the draft to solidify other positions on the front 7 where there is legitimate 1st round talent and players who would likely have a greater 1st year impact.

At #5 we would have a shot at guys like Everette Brown, who I love, and at #12 we could get Tyson Jackson.

I think that adding Quinn, Rogers, and guys like Brown and Jackson would make us a better football team next year than keeping Cutler and we'd still have an extra high round pick in 2010.

I'd rather go with BJ Raji at #5 (can play DE or NT in the 3-4, fits well in the hybrid we'll probably run, and can replace Rogers in the near future) and then the best OLB we can get at #12 myself, waiting on strictly 5-tech DE types until the later rounds.

Other than that, its pretty workable.

iforgotmypassword
03-23-2009, 01:13 PM
Cutler, Sheff, Selvin Young, Ryan Torain

Quinn, Rodgers, the other D-line Rodgers, #5, first next year

montrose
03-23-2009, 01:17 PM
Okay he's a bit of radical idea. What about trying to acquire Quinn without trading Jay? I don't get the impression the Browns are super-interested in Jay. What if they were willing to move Quinn for something reasonable that didn't include Cutler and we then have Quinn as insurance in case Jay holds out or, we have the flexibility to do any deal we want for picks/players without needing a QB to be in the deal.

Just a thought.

montrose
03-23-2009, 01:24 PM
The problem is, why would the Browns want another #1 QB? They aren't going to trade straight up for Cutler, it would take a 3rd team.

I came up with this in another thread:

And what works??? I've heard some people talking about 3500 points and a player or something. Is that reasonable or possible?


Lions:
Jay Cutler

Broncos:
Quinn, Rogers, #5, and #33

Browns:
Scheffler, #1 overall


I don't know, maybe this is a little Elway777esque and is completely illogical. But, This is the kind of deal it would take for me to be okay with losing Cutler.

-Detroit wouldn't lose a future first in this deal and would still have a chance at a OT in the first (Oher most likely).

-Cleveland gets their TE and unloads disgruntled Rogers. They also move up in the first for a chance at Curry. With reports that Cleveland would rather move down though, this is the part of the trade that is really unlikely. And, I can't see any scenario that Denver would take #1 and #5 and give up #12 and #20 to Cleveland.

-Denver would have a great deal of flexibility with the current draft picks. More likely would be that Denver allows Detroit to keep #33 in this type of deal for a future 1st. Denver would have a QB, DT, #5 (Orakpo/Brown ROLB), #12 (Beanie Wells could also go Cushing/Maualuga/Jenkins), #33 (Connor Barwin/James Laurinaitis) and #48 (Jaron Gilbert/Ziggy Hood)

-So best case scenario we would get:
Brady Quinn (QB of the future?)
Shaun Rogers (NT)
Orakpo (ROLB-Joker w/experience as 3-4 LB)
Wells (235# 4.4 speed and power)
James Larinaitis (ILB brings a good work ethic and football savvy)
Gilbert (3-4 DE, outstanding size and athleticism)

Or we could keep Cutler and have:
Cutler
Cushing/Maualuga
Gilbert/Hood

IMO, if you can improve your team with a huge injection of talent... YOU TRADE CUTLER!

You make some good points Oskie but I just don't think anyone is interested in that #1 pick, I don't even think teams are too interested in the #5 pick. From Denver's perspective, someone they'll like on defense should be there at #12 and it doesn't appear that there's a guy at #5 who'd be such dynamite that he'd be worth the bulk of Jay's value not to mention a large contract.

I do think a Denver/Detroit/Cleveland 3-way makes sense. An idea I posted earlier today:

Denver trades Jay Cutler, Tony Scheffler and#132
Detroit trades #20, #33, #65, 2010 1st round pick and 2010 2nd round pick
Cleveland trades Brady Quinn, Shaun Rogers and Braylon Edwards

Denver receives Brady Quinn, Shaun Rogers, Braylon Edwards, #33 and Detroit's 2010 1st round pick
Detroit receives Jay Cutler and Tony Scheffler
Cleveland receives #20, #65, #132 and Detroit's 2010 2nd round pick

It doesn't move the #1 and #5 that I don't think either team is interested in but instead deals some very valuable draft picks and players "on the block". It was just a thought of mine, but I figured each team gets something of value out of it.

USMCBladerunner
03-23-2009, 02:43 PM
I think folks are undervaluing Rodgers here. Pro Bowl NTs are near as rare as Pro Bowl QBs.

I'm not sure the value is even, but it's not as far off as people are making it out to be.

Granted there were contract issues at the time, that aren't so in Cleveland now, but the Browns got Roger's for a third rounder if I remember right.