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HEAV
03-22-2009, 08:24 PM
DANA POINT, Calif. -- Based strictly on the talk among league media and personnel types at the owners' meetings, it appears the Denver Broncos will continue their efforts to mend fences with disgruntled quarterback Jay Cutler before they entertain any serious trade talks. The Detroit Lions are believed to be among 10 teams interested in dealing for Cutler. Those close to the situation say the Broncos are still trying to work out another meeting between Cutler and team officials.

Cutler's unhappiness in Denver hit a high when he found out he had been the subject of trade talks involving Detroit and Tampa Bay several weeks ago. At the time, the Broncos were attempting to get Matt Cassel in a trade exchange, but that fell through. Now that it appears unlikely the Broncos can acquire a young quarterback of Cutler's caliber in a deal, they're working hard to smooth over any ill feelings.

Because the team has been unable to get everyone on the same page yet, the belief is that teams will ratchet up their offers for Cutler during the owners meetings and that something might break quickly. So far, though, it's been quiet.


http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2009/03/the_buzz_among_insiders_is_tha.html

Popps
03-22-2009, 08:31 PM
As someone pointed out, it sure has been quiet.

Archer81
03-22-2009, 08:31 PM
hmm...maybe the team meant it when they said Cutler is not up for trade...


:Broncos:

SoCalBronco
03-22-2009, 08:33 PM
I'm glad and encouraged that they are still working at it, but I think it would be more productive it if was just Bowlen and Cutler having dinner or something informal like that. No Cook and no McDaniels.

Archer81
03-22-2009, 08:35 PM
I'm glad and encouraged that they are still working at it, but I think it would be more productive it if was just Bowlen and Cutler having dinner or something informal like that. No Cook and no McDaniels.

Think it matters more to get the HC and the QB together first. They will spend more time together than Bowlen and Cutler will.


:Broncos:

Dudeskey
03-22-2009, 08:35 PM
hmm...maybe the team meant it when they said Cutler is not up for trade...


:Broncos:

No sale... I hope

SoCalBronco
03-22-2009, 08:40 PM
Think it matters more to get the HC and the QB together first. They will spend more time together than Bowlen and Cutler will.


:Broncos:

It is true that they will eventually be spending a great deal of time together (if this is worked out), but what is needed now is a relaxation of tensions. Despite having a deteriorated relationship with his owner, Jay's still probably on better terms and can communicate better with Pat than Josh. Josh also has this annoying tendency to **** things up. We don't need anymore macho approaches. McDaniels presence does not add anything of value. His presence is a hinderance to possible progress and an unnecessary irritant. It is best, IMO, to start off with just Cutler and Bowlen as there is at least some kind of trust and respect there even if its not as great as it once was.

epicSocialism4tw
03-22-2009, 08:43 PM
I'm glad and encouraged that they are still working at it, but I think it would be more productive it if was just Bowlen and Cutler having dinner or something informal like that. No Cook and no McDaniels.

That's probably the best avenue.

With the possible 2011 work stoppage looming, it is evident that Cutler wants a deal. He deserves a deal, IMO. I was listening to the local ESPN radio station to Micheal Irvin and Nate Newton talking about this (I usually skip over the channel when that show is on). They made some really good points about the whole thing.

They said (something to this effect) that Cutler had been building his career in the Broncos system under Shanny/Bates. They also said that a QB's 4th season is usually the season that a player hits full stride in a system. Cutler was entering that season, and was counting on that season as a springboard for a lucrative deal.

Then...Shanny and bates are both gone and in comes a guy who tries to trade him to bring in his own guy.

Cutler is now in an insecure situation in which he cannot count on his coaching staff to put him in a situation that benefits him contract-wise, so in a counteraction, Jay pushes for a trade. Irvin and Newton both said that if Bowlen and McD chose to extend Jay a multi-year talent-appropriate contract, that it would probably smooth things over and end it on the spot. This would be proof that the franchise is committed to him long term, and both Newton and Irvin were convinced that Jay is worried that he could get screwed over by the new administration.

This is a business, folks, and people are in business to get paid. There is nothing wrong with putting yourself in the best position possible for you and your loved ones.

Pay Jay.

HEAV
03-22-2009, 08:44 PM
I'm glad and encouraged that they are still working at it, but I think it would be more productive it if was just Bowlen and Cutler having dinner or something informal like that. No Cook and no McDaniels.

I'd think it would be Jay,Josh and Pat. But Cook is attached to Jay's hip now.


Also I get the feeling that Bowlen is tired or annoyed with Jay. Just the comments he's made and his actions of late kinda make it seem that he may be fed up dealing with Jay and Cook.

SoCalBronco
03-22-2009, 08:46 PM
I'd think it would be Jay,Josh and Pat. But Cook is attached to Jay's hip now.


Also I get the feeling that Bowlen is tired or annoyed with Jay. Just the comments he's made and his actions of late kinda make it seem that he may be fed up dealing with Jay and Cook.

IMO, if McDaniels is added to the mix, then Cook should be as well. You can't just say "oh...we'll bring whoever we want and you can only come by yourself". McDaniels presence adds, as I mentioned before, an unnecessary irritant to the matter and Cutler would probably (correctly) insist therefore on Cook making an appearance, too. Just keep it between the QB and his owner, at first. Baby steps.

epicSocialism4tw
03-22-2009, 08:47 PM
Also I get the feeling that Bowlen is tired or annoyed with Jay. Just the comments he's made and his actions of late kinda make it seem that he may be fed up dealing with Jay and Cook.

If that's the case, then Bowlen is washed up and useless.

If you cant try to secure your #1 asset because you dont want to deal with the problem, then you are primed for failure.

HEAV
03-22-2009, 08:49 PM
This is a business, folks, and people are in business to get paid. There is nothing wrong with putting yourself in the best position possible for you and your loved ones. Pay Jay.

Jay isn't hurting for dollars, his parents are set and he's single.

Signed a six-year, $47.86 million contract. The deal contains $11 million guaranteed, including a $1.7 million signing bonus. 2009: $1.035 million (+ $100,000 workout bonus), 2010: $1.4225 million (+ $4 million roster bonus), 2011: $1.81 million (+ $12 million roster bonus) 2012: Free Agent. 45% of the deal's max value is performance incentives. Among them is a $1.95 million escalator for any year of 2006-2010 that he finishes in the top five in any of the NFL's major passing categories, as well as a $4 million bonus for taking 70% of the snaps in 2009. There also is a $500,000 bonus available 2006-2010 for taking 70% of the snaps and either taking 70% of the snaps in a Super Bowl or winning a Super Bowl.

SoCalBronco
03-22-2009, 08:53 PM
If that's the case, then Bowlen is washed up and useless.

.


That may very well be the case. I hope it isn't, but recent events don't exactly inspire alot of confidence in the man.

epicSocialism4tw
03-22-2009, 08:54 PM
Jay isn't hurting for dollars, his parents are set and he's single.

It doesnt matter if he's "hurting for dollars" according to what your standard is. People are in this game to bag wealth. These arent regular construction working blue collar types, they are finely tuned performance machines that are the core of a multi-billion dollar entertainment venture. Jay is on the verge of being one of the best players in the game.

These guys are in it for a percentage of the take...relative to what the standard is for their performance. Jay wants to get his before the thing collapses. Cant blame him for that.

Dr. Broncenstein
03-22-2009, 08:55 PM
Meh... when the dust settles and everyone gets over their respective butthurt, there will be two undeniable truths:

1. Cutler is under contract and holds no leverage.

2. McDaniels will have no grace period for rebuilding should he somehow manage to move Cutler.

I fully expect Jay to be a Bronco through 2010.

Archer81
03-22-2009, 08:58 PM
Josh also has this annoying tendency to **** things up. We don't need anymore macho approaches. McDaniels presence does not add anything of value


Josh has been fairly quiet about the whole scenario. Everything we heard about this situation has either been through team statements, which are always dry, or Cutler talking to Vic Lombardi or some other fraud with a microphone. I am not entirely sure Bowlen would want to talk to Jay, who made it clear even phone calls from the owner wont prompt him to put on the big boy pants. If the source of all the tension is between Josh and Jay, how is putting off a meeting going to help solve anything? IMO, sooner you get irritant A with irritant B, and let them hash it out, the better.

:Broncos:

SoCalBronco
03-22-2009, 08:59 PM
IMO, sooner you get irritant A with irritant B, and let them hash it out, the better.

:Broncos:

I dunno, we tried that last time and it made things alot worse.

epicSocialism4tw
03-22-2009, 09:02 PM
I dunno, we tried that last time and it made things alot worse.

That's because McD is a friggin' idiot.

HEAV
03-22-2009, 09:03 PM
I dunno, we tried that last time and it made things alot worse.

Ya but that wasn't one on one like you said. Cook was there talking in Jay's ear.

Jay and Josh are going to have to be face to face sooner or later.

SoCalBronco
03-22-2009, 09:04 PM
That's because McD is a friggin' idiot.

That's why I don't want him at the meeting. I don't want him within 30 square miles of the meeting. It's just going to degenerate further. You gotta start out with Pat and Jay only in the beginning.

NFLBRONCO
03-22-2009, 09:04 PM
Meh... when the dust settles and everyone gets over their respective butthurt, there will be two undeniable truths:

1. Cutler is under contract and holds no leverage.

2. McDaniels will have no grace period for rebuilding should he somehow manage to move Cutler.

I fully expect Jay to be a Bronco through 2010.

Why would McD not get a grace period if he trades Cutler???

I would think most fans would get the idea we are truly rebuilding even though most fans hate the idea of losing Cutler. Our D is still weak.

Archer81
03-22-2009, 09:05 PM
I dunno, we tried that last time and it made things alot worse.


According to Bus Cook...



:Broncos:

SoCalBronco
03-22-2009, 09:06 PM
Ya but that wasn't one on one like you said. Cook was there talking in Jay's ear.

Jay and Josh are going to have to be face to face sooner or later.

Again, I am not disputing that they will eventually to have work together on a daily basis and spend hours and hours on end together every day, but the immediate objective is to reduce tensions. It has already been shown that Jay and Josh together in a room doesn't end well. You gotta go with the better relationship at first to start cultivating the rapprochement. Later they can bring McD into it once they've started to make headway (and when he comes into the picture, he needs to be ORDERED by Bowlen in no uncertain terms not be a dickhead).

epicSocialism4tw
03-22-2009, 09:07 PM
That's why I don't want him at the meeting. I don't want him within 30 square miles of the meeting. It's just going to degenerate further. You gotta start out with Pat and Jay only in the beginning.

That dude has to be braindead. How to you go into a reconciliation meeting where the center of the problem is the possibility of trade, and still try to force the issue?

"We like you Jay, but I will trade you at any time." "Now..are we square?"

Goodness...what a fool. Even if you do intend to keep that door open somewhere down the line, you dont try to prove your bossmanliness to your franchise QB by reiterating the fact that you have the power to do that.

McD is the insecure little pansy here.

Archer81
03-22-2009, 09:08 PM
That's because McD is a friggin' idiot.


With his extensive history of coaching teams and building rosters, you can make that assumption how? Because of the sayso of one bitchy player and his cancerous testicle-like agent?


:Broncos:

SoCalBronco
03-22-2009, 09:08 PM
Why would McD not get a grace period if he trades Cutler???

I would think most fans would get the idea we are truly rebuilding even though most fans hate the idea of losing Cutler. Our D is still weak.

Because a large cross section of the fanbase would have turned on him from the start because he traded the franchise QB. There are alot of us who cannot and will not accept the idea that we've waited so long for a major league talent and then this little biatch pisses it away and we're supposed to somehow give him a honeymoon period after he does that. There's no honeymoon. Hell, even if he patches things up, there still isn't a honeymoon.

NFLBRONCO
03-22-2009, 09:09 PM
Unless we win alot of games or Jay matures real fast this relationship Jay/Josh is short term. He'll be traded by draft 2010.

Archer81
03-22-2009, 09:10 PM
That dude has to be braindead. How to you go into a reconciliation meeting where the center of the problem is the possibility of trade, and still try to force the issue?

"We like you Jay, but I will trade you at any time." "Now..are we square?"

Goodness...what a fool. Even if you do intend to keep that door open somewhere down the line, you dont try to prove your bossmanliness to your franchise QB by reiterating the fact that you have the power to do that.

McD is the insecure little pansy here.


Have to be braindead to assume you are bigger than the other 52 guys on the team with you. Being babied rarely helps a player.

:Broncos:

SoCalBronco
03-22-2009, 09:11 PM
Unless we win alot of games or Jay matures real fast this relationship Jay/Josh is short term. He'll be traded by draft 2010.

And then McDaniels will follow him out the door not too long thereafter.

epicSocialism4tw
03-22-2009, 09:11 PM
Because a large cross section of the fanbase would have turned on him from the start because he traded the franchise QB. There are alot of us who cannot and will not accept the idea that we've waited so long for a major league talent and then this little biatch pisses it away and we're supposed to somehow give him a honeymoon period after he does that. There's no honeymoon. Hell, even if he patches things up, there still isn't a honeymoon.

No doubt. McD's are a dime a dozen...or at least a dollar a cheeseburger (terrible pun...I know).

Franchise QB's come around probably 3-5 per generation.

Archer81
03-22-2009, 09:12 PM
No doubt. McD's are a dime a dozen...or at least a dollar a cheeseburger (terrible pun...I know).

Franchise QB's come around probably 3-5 per generation.


And you know we have a franchise QB how?

:Broncos:

Hercules Rockefeller
03-22-2009, 09:14 PM
Because a large cross section of the fanbase would have turned on him from the start because he traded the franchise QB. There are alot of us who cannot and will not accept the idea that we've waited so long for a major league talent and then this little biatch pisses it away and we're supposed to somehow give him a honeymoon period after he does that. There's no honeymoon. Hell, even if he patches things up, there still isn't a honeymoon.

And you, like all of us, have exactly 0 influence in the grand scheme of things. If the fanbase had any pull Shanahan would still be the coach, or according to lex, Spagnuolo would be the head coach since he won a Den Post online poll.

Dudeskey
03-22-2009, 09:15 PM
And you know we have a franchise QB how?

:Broncos:

because his arm is stronger than Elway's...

epicSocialism4tw
03-22-2009, 09:15 PM
Have to be braindead to assume you are bigger than the other 52 guys on the team with you. Being babied rarely helps a player.

:Broncos:

That's not what its about.

Its about having the common sense to sit down and say "Jay, I know that you have built things with the staff here and that you intend to spend your career here. I'm sorry for not communicating our intentions sooner, we made a mistake." Then you proceed to throw a wad of cash at the dude.

Why? Because aside from the fact that you may have alienated your franchise QB to the point of no return, you have 1) potentially ruined chances at bringing in "win now" free agents, 2) potentially ruined chances at getting full value in a trade in the future, 3) potentially destroyed a franchise because you come off as devious and the players know it, 4) set back the franchise another 3-4 years as you rebuild.

Is all of that worth the chest pounding and flexing?

No. Only to a fool like McD.

SoCalBronco
03-22-2009, 09:15 PM
And you, like all of us, have exactly 0 influence in the grand scheme of things. If the fanbase had any pull Shanahan would still be the coach, or according to lex, Spagnuolo would be the head coach since he won a Den Post online poll.

If the fans, collectively, put their money where their mouth is, they have alot of influence. If legions and legions of people decide to hit Bowlen in the pocket book, it has a great deal of influence.

Hercules Rockefeller
03-22-2009, 09:21 PM
If the fans, collectively, put their money where their mouth is, they have alot of influence. If legions and legions of people decide to hit Bowlen in the pocket book, it has a great deal of influence.

Will they? Of course not. No season ticket holder is going to give up seats they waited maybe a decade for and have held for years because they don't like the coach. They're not getting those seats back anywhere in the near future.

Are you going to pass on Sunday Ticket next season SoCal? Of course not, and the PB is going to get his 1/32nd share of your Sunday Ticket purchase.

You're not talking about the majority of the fanbase when you place this blame on McDaniels and Bowlen.

Dr. Broncenstein
03-22-2009, 09:21 PM
I'm actually more pissed off about Mike Leach. This Cutler fiasco is an epic failure... but Jay has done nothing but pour gasoline on the fire. Mike Leach was a casualty just because... and the only upgrade seems to be the cap number. When Hiilis, Larsen, or Woodyard get cut.. I'm officially going to call McDaniels a big fat doodiehead right to his face.

/at least, right to his face on the TV

NFLBRONCO
03-22-2009, 09:24 PM
And then McDaniels will follow him out the door not too long thereafter.

I don't see it that way my friend for this reason.

BOWLEN

Jay has pissed off Bowlen enough that I think Josh will get next 3 seasons regardless. .

If Josh does trade Cutler they better draft VERY well next 2 yrs . I think he coaches 2009 and 2010 2011 seasons after that will depend on how well they draft and find a solid QB that can play well and win games.

Archer81
03-22-2009, 09:25 PM
That's not what its about.

Its about having the common sense to sit down and say "Jay, I know that you have built things with the staff here and that you intend to spend your career here. I'm sorry for not communicating our intentions sooner, we made a mistake." Then you proceed to throw a wad of cash at the dude.

Why? Because aside from the fact that you may have alienated your franchise QB to the point of no return, you have 1) potentially ruined chances at bringing in "win now" free agents, 2) potentially ruined chances at getting full value in a trade in the future, 3) potentially destroyed a franchise because you come off as devious and the players know it, 4) set back the franchise another 3-4 years as you rebuild.

Is all of that worth the chest pounding and flexing?

No. Only to a fool like McD.

Jay threw a hissy fit when Shanahan and Bates were fired. Simply because you believe Jay is worth a "wad of cash" doesnt mean he actually is worth it. If Jay wishes to remain a Bronco, he should stop listening to his agent, and prove he is worth the faith Bronco fans and Bowlen has placed in him. Crying to the media about being "lied to" and bitching and moaning about the team not showing commitment to him is laughable. These are the actions of a franchise QB?

:Broncos:

tsiguy96
03-22-2009, 09:25 PM
I'm actually more pissed off about Mike Leach. This Cutler fiasco is an epic failure... but Jay has done nothing but pour gasoline on the fire. Mike Leach was a casualty just because... and the only upgrade seems to be the cap number. When Hiilis, Larsen, or Woodyard get cut.. I'm officially going to call McDaniels a big fat doodiehead right to his face.

/at least, right to his face on the TV

atleast hillis...he made a noticeable difference on the field, and if he doesnt get a shot at TB its gonna be real sad.

c_lazy_r
03-23-2009, 05:52 AM
IMO, if McDaniels is added to the mix, then Cook should be as well. You can't just say "oh...we'll bring whoever we want and you can only come by yourself". McDaniels presence adds, as I mentioned before, an unnecessary irritant to the matter and Cutler would probably (correctly) insist therefore on Cook making an appearance, too. Just keep it between the QB and his owner, at first. Baby steps.

Yea, then we can have Cook in the team meetings, pregame meetings and on the sidelines during the games...hell, we could even give him a headset so he could relay the plays into Jays helmet...I'm sure that would insulate Jay and his sensitive feelings from the meanie coaches.

This is freakin nuts...

Broncoman13
03-23-2009, 06:07 AM
I'm glad and encouraged that they are still working at it, but I think it would be more productive it if was just Bowlen and Cutler having dinner or something informal like that. No Cook and no McDaniels.

I understand your point, but this needs to be between Cutler and McD.

Bowlen trusts McD and has put his confidence in him, whatever McD says...GOES. No matter how you feel about this, that is the way this show is being run.

This isn't much of a big deal really. People think Cutler is being a baby. They need to sit back and realize that McD did basically the same thing, but from the Coach's side. Cutler got comfortable with Shanny and Bates... UNDERSTANDABLE! McD got comfortable with Cassel... UNDERSTANDABLE as well. At this point they need to sit down and have it out. McD needs to understand that Cutler is probably a little worried about how he will fit in with the new staff. McD needs to tell Cutler, "After all of this crap and you're still a Bronco! If that doesn't tell you we aren't interested in trading you, nothing will!"

I also think a contract extension would be a wise gesture. It protects the team and it gives Cutler some $$$ and some assurances. The team protection comes in the form of not having to give out a MONSTER contract just yet. As I originally said, a two year extension for $20m would be perfect. Give him a $10m bonus which is obviously guaranteed and then base salaries of $4 and $6m in 2011 and 2012. This is a lot of money, but it's much cheaper than giving him a 6 year $75m contract right now. If the Broncos believe they have a player in Cutler, they can redo his contract again in a couple years. If not, they are not married to him with the contract extension.

OR

Trade him for something like this:

Lions:
Jay Cutler

Broncos:
Quinn, Rogers, #5, and #33

Browns:
Scheffler, #1 overall


I don't know, maybe this is a little Elway777esque and is completely illogical. But, This is the kind of deal it would take for me to be okay with losing Cutler.

-Detroit wouldn't lose a future first in this deal and would still have a chance at a OT in the first (Oher most likely).

-Cleveland gets their TE and unloads disgruntled Rogers. They also move up in the first for a chance at Curry. With reports that Cleveland would rather move down though, this is the part of the trade that is really unlikely. And, I can't see any scenario that Denver would take #1 and #5 and give up #12 and #20 to Cleveland.

-Denver would have a great deal of flexibility with the current draft picks. More likely would be that Denver allows Detroit to keep #33 in this type of deal for a future 1st. Denver would have a QB, DT, #5 (Orakpo/Brown ROLB), #12 (Beanie Wells could also go Cushing/Maualuga/Jenkins), #33 (Connor Barwin/James Laurinaitis) and #48 (Jaron Gilbert/Ziggy Hood)

-So best case scenario we would get:
Brady Quinn (QB of the future?)
Shaun Rogers (NT)
Orakpo (ROLB-Joker w/experience as 3-4 LB)
Wells (235# 4.4 speed and power)
James Larinaitis (ILB brings a good work ethic and football savvy)
Gilbert (3-4 DE, outstanding size and athleticism)

Or we could keep Cutler and have:
Cutler
Cushing/Maualuga
Gilbert/Hood

IMO, if you can improve your team with a huge injection of talent... YOU TRADE CUTLER!

Broncoman13
03-23-2009, 06:09 AM
If the fans, collectively, put their money where their mouth is, they have alot of influence. If legions and legions of people decide to hit Bowlen in the pocket book, it has a great deal of influence.

Problem is, with Cutler taking such a hard stance the fans are starting to turn on him as well.

Now, if McD gets rid of a couple fan favorites...WHO KNOWS?

Guys like Hillis, Royal, Scheffler, Bailey and Doom fall into that category.

Drek
03-23-2009, 06:31 AM
I'm actually more pissed off about Mike Leach. This Cutler fiasco is an epic failure... but Jay has done nothing but pour gasoline on the fire. Mike Leach was a casualty just because... and the only upgrade seems to be the cap number. When Hiilis, Larsen, or Woodyard get cut.. I'm officially going to call McDaniels a big fat doodiehead right to his face.

/at least, right to his face on the TV

I know people around here love Leach and all, but Lonnie Paxton is at the very least his equal as a long snapper and he was the STs captain on multiple SB championships. He lets McDaniels set the locker room tone he wants from day one, whereas Leach would still be feeling out the new staff like all our other holdovers.

He brings a lot more than just a (slightly) higher cap number.

broncswin
03-23-2009, 07:27 AM
Yea, then we can have Cook in the team meetings, pregame meetings and on the sidelines during the games...hell, we could even give him a headset so he could relay the plays into Jays helmet...I'm sure that would insulate Jay and his sensitive feelings from the meanie coaches.

This is freakin nuts...

Rep!! You hit it perfect, since when do these f-ing agents think they are part of the real game of football!! 90% of these dickwads have tarnished sports and the other 10% that are good must have spent hours watching "Jerry Maguire" :wiggle:

TheElusiveKyleOrton
03-23-2009, 07:45 AM
That's not what its about.

Its about having the common sense to sit down and say "Jay, I know that you have built things with the staff here and that you intend to spend your career here. I'm sorry for not communicating our intentions sooner, we made a mistake." Then you proceed to throw a wad of cash at the dude.

Why? Because aside from the fact that you may have alienated your franchise QB to the point of no return, you have 1) potentially ruined chances at bringing in "win now" free agents, 2) potentially ruined chances at getting full value in a trade in the future, 3) potentially destroyed a franchise because you come off as devious and the players know it, 4) set back the franchise another 3-4 years as you rebuild.

Is all of that worth the chest pounding and flexing?

No. Only to a fool like McD.

Thank goodness you've been in the room for every conversation between the two men, and can say without any shadow of a doubt exactly what Josh McDaniels said to Jay Cutler. /rolleyes

Give me a break.

baja
03-23-2009, 07:45 AM
Again, I am not disputing that they will eventually to have work together on a daily basis and spend hours and hours on end together every day, but the immediate objective is to reduce tensions. It has already been shown that Jay and Josh together in a room doesn't end well. You gotta go with the better relationship at first to start cultivating the rapprochement. Later they can bring McD into it once they've started to make headway<b> (and when he comes into the picture, he needs to be ORDERED by Bowlen in no uncertain terms not be a dickhead).

So the gutless drunk is going to demand his young willful coach not be a dickhead. How does that work exactly does Josh clear his talks with the team with Bowlen or does he have an anti dickhead assistant coach following him around. Did you take a fall and sustain a head injury about 6 weeks ago So Cal.

lostknight
03-23-2009, 07:49 AM
Why would McD not get a grace period if he trades Cutler???

I would think most fans would get the idea we are truly rebuilding even though most fans hate the idea of losing Cutler. Our D is still weak.

If McDaniel's trades Cutler, he trades any grace period he might have gotten with Cutler as well. It's as simple as that.