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skpac1001
03-20-2009, 09:14 AM
I figured maybe I could even out Taco's biased media postings with this one from Vandy. ;)

COLUMN: Who is the real Jay Cutler?
http://www.insidevandy.com/drupal/node/9814

Dear Jay,

What's going on, man? Haven't heard from you in a while - seems like you've mastered the art of the low profile. I thought I may have heard your name bounce around in the news quite a bit the past couple of weeks, but they couldn't have been talking about you, could they?

You see, the Jay Cutler I remember is much different than the one that has come to the surface the past couple of weeks. The Jay Cutler I remember torched the Southeaster Conference defenses with his golden arm, serving as an integral piece in catapulting the Vanderbilt football program to national relevance.

The Jay Cutler I remember brought a competitive swagger to Nashville, a swagger that still bleeds through black and gold jerseys when September rolls around. In short, the Jay Cutler I remember was a fighter. Where did that Jay Cutler go?

Oh, you're in a fight now, I suppose. Except instead of fighting for your team, you're fighting against it and, in a way, against yourself. Sure, you have legitimate grievances against a Denver Broncos organization that fired the man who drafted you, hired a man who tried to trade you and along the way has done little to dispel the notion of their general ineptitude. But while the Broncos have done very little right in this scenario, you're helping them prove that they may not have been that wrong after all.

Everyone knows about your talents, Jay. You're a 25-year-old Pro Bowl quarterback who passes with precision, power and a prowess that hints at your unlimited potential. You have piloted a team with a Swiss cheese defense and a stable of unproven running backs to 17 wins over your two years as a starter, a win total that likely would have been cut in half without you.

You're also the guy who has favorably compared his arm strength to John Elway's, continuously pouted through newswires and his agent during the persistent trade rumors and whose strongest public statement to date was putting your Denver home up for sale in a housing market that may just be worse than your Broncos' defense.

Thus, depending on who you ask, you're either a golden boy or a royal pain, and there are plenty of teams willing to bet on the former. The Jets, Bears, Vikings, Lions, Buccaneers and 49ers, just to name a few, would all gladly aid you in your clear pursuit of a new address and may even put forth a down payment on your new home. The only one who can determine whether that would be worth their while, though, is you.

In a league dominated and mesmerized by the quarterback, you have the chance to turn your potential into prominence. In a sports world constantly thirsting for a good story, you can give it a great one.

In a bad situation, you can come out on top by showing up to a NFL facility (be it the Broncos or otherwise), checking your ego at the door and winning over your locker room and community much like you did here. Otherwise, a descent into irrelevance awaits, and you deserve better than that.

So, Jay, I look forward to hearing back from you and, the next time I see you, I hope you can help me answer this question:

Who is the real Jay Cutler?

Sincerely,

Your own personal Jiminy Cricket

TheElusiveKyleOrton
03-20-2009, 09:17 AM
Slow. Clap.

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Archer81
03-20-2009, 09:34 AM
I agree with Deion Sanders in this scenario. Get to work. Everything else will work out.

:Broncos:

HEAV
03-20-2009, 09:41 AM
Jay doesn't read his bad press, not that he should, but the bigger issue is he reads his good press. Which in turn and with the help of a former coach desperately trying to save face... anyway... Jay's ego is huge.

BlaK-Argentina
03-20-2009, 09:43 AM
Great read!

Come on Jay, get over this already.

Popps
03-20-2009, 09:46 AM
Thus, depending on who you ask, you're either a golden boy or a royal pain, and there are plenty of teams willing to bet on the former.

Wow.

Weird, huh?

El Guapo
03-20-2009, 09:55 AM
C'mon Jay, pulling for you to make the right decision here.

ZONA
03-20-2009, 10:18 AM
I said weeks ago this could possibly be the best thing that happened to Jay on a football field. Hopefully he stays with the Broncos but at the very least, realizing that you are not an untouchable player who has reached the ever so elusive pinnacle, this should show him that he must work harder and still improve in order to get there. Hopefully that is with the Broncos.

Dukes
03-20-2009, 10:34 AM
I said weeks ago this could possibly be the best thing that happened to Jay on a football field. Hopefully he stays with the Broncos but at the very least, realizing that you are not an untouchable player who has reached the ever so elusive pinnacle, this should show him that he must work harder and still improve in order to get there. Hopefully that is with the Broncos.

I'm not so sure he has that kind of maturity level.

SportinOne
03-20-2009, 01:26 PM
C'mon Jay, pulling for you to make the right decision here.


While I understand Jay's point of view completely, IF McDaniels tells Jay that he wants him as his quarterback then Jay needs to swallow some pride, suck it up, and get in there and lead this team. The big question mark that i think some people aren't seeing is whether or not that is what McDaniels truly wants.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
03-20-2009, 01:29 PM
While I understand Jay's point of view completely, IF McDaniels tells Jay that he wants him as his quarterback then Jay needs to swallow some pride, suck it up, and get in there and lead this team. The big question mark that i think some people aren't seeing is whether or not that is what McDaniels truly wants.

HOW??? How are you getting that?

All he's said in every interview is that he wants Jay Cutler here. So how on earth are you seeing that maybe McD doesn't really want Cutler here?

This is so ****ing asinine.

OrangeRising
03-20-2009, 01:30 PM
Dukes - "I'm not so sure he has that kind of maturity level."


I do. Cutler isn't doing himself any favors the way he has reacted throughout this exercise, but at the same time, team management hasn't given him any reason to feel confident an/or positive either.

I have seen his parents and sister interviewed more than once, and the family is level-headed, hard working people. I have a difficult time believing they didn't instill this ethic in Jay.

Then again, after Bowlens 'happy camper' comment, this all may be a moot point anyway. Bye-bye Jay.

SportinOne
03-20-2009, 01:40 PM
HOW??? How are you getting that?

All he's said in every interview is that he wants Jay Cutler here. So how on earth are you seeing that maybe McD doesn't really want Cutler here?

This is so ****ing asinine.

You are right. I should believe everything that someone says based on their position of authority. People in high places NEVER lie. Wake up.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
03-20-2009, 01:48 PM
You are right. I should believe everything that someone says based on their position of authority. People in high places NEVER lie. Wake up.

Says a guy with a huge Obama tag in his sig. Brilliant!

Look man, EVERY TIME McDaniels has opened his mouth, it has been to say the same thing: We are not trading Jay Cutler. At some point, you've got to take him at his word.

YOU should wake up.

The point is, man, even the things McD supposedly "lied" about are A) in the past, and B) have completely been corroborated by BB in New England. But sure. Keep blaming McD for all of the world's problems. Continue to close your eyes, stomp your feet and yell "LALALALALALALALALA!" It makes you look exactly like your hero Jay Cutler.

nickademus
03-20-2009, 01:53 PM
HOW??? How are you getting that?

All he's said in every interview is that he wants Jay Cutler here. So how on earth are you seeing that maybe McD doesn't really want Cutler here?

This is so ****ing asinine.

when you attempt to trade a guy you are pretty much saying "I dont want you here".

TheElusiveKyleOrton
03-20-2009, 01:56 PM
when you attempt to trade a guy you are pretty much saying "I dont want you here".

Well, SOMEone doesn't know how to read.

SportinOne
03-20-2009, 02:16 PM
Says a guy with a huge Obama tag in his sig. Brilliant!

Look man, EVERY TIME McDaniels has opened his mouth, it has been to say the same thing: We are not trading Jay Cutler. At some point, you've got to take him at his word.

YOU should wake up.

The point is, man, even the things McD supposedly "lied" about are A) in the past, and B) have completely been corroborated by BB in New England. But sure. Keep blaming McD for all of the world's problems. Continue to close your eyes, stomp your feet and yell "LALALALALALALALALA!" It makes you look exactly like your hero Jay Cutler.

1. Just because i have an Obama sig does not mean that I believe every word out of his mouth. That's a gigantic LEAP of an assumption. The most you can take from that is that i voted for him, and that i thought he was a better candidate than John McCain. I have my reasons, but I will assure you that if you think I believe 100% of what any politician says you are crazy.

2. Why would McDaniels examine the option of trading Jay and say he will do ANYTHING to make the team better, but then all of a sudden say, "Absolutely not we will not trade Jay?" What if another good trade comes along? Then what? Was it just because Cassell was available? And why do i have to "at some point take him at his word?"

3. Why does it matter if a lie is "in the past" or if it happened yesterday? What does that even mean? This whole thing isn't even a month old yet and you want to tell me that if McDaniels did lie it's in the past so it's okay? And since when is BB a trustworthy source of valid truth?

TheElusiveKyleOrton
03-20-2009, 02:24 PM
First of all, I voted for him too. Just ironic that you would say something like "people in high places never lie" facetiously.

Second, I'm curious what you think would make this whole thing go away. You obviously want Cutler in a Bronco uniform. So do I. I think McDaniels has gone out of his way, turning down trade offers and rebuffing anyone who is calling about Cutler. Belichick didn't have to say anything, and actually would have benefitted by keeping his mouth shut on the whole situation. If you look at quotes that are actually attributed to real people with real names who really give their names for stories, the Broncos version of what happened actually adds up quite well. Short of signing Cutler to a massive extension even though he still has three years left on his current deal, what needs to happen to get Jay back?

Read my post. It says what McD "supposedly lied about" is in the past. When all these pieces are falling into place, at some point, don't you have to sort of step back and look at all of it and think "wait a minute... maybe McDaniels wasn't lying. Maybe Cutler should get over himself and come back to become the best QB in the league."? I know, it's easy to get caught up in bull**** throwaway statements like "we were late to the dance," but in truth, they don't really mean much.

SportinOne
03-20-2009, 02:31 PM
By the way, I'm glad all of you anti-Cutler people are loving this article despite the fact that it offers nothing new to our ongoing "discussion." In one way or another, everything in this article has already been said. The only significant thing about it is that it was written by a writer at Vanderbilt, David Namm, who as far as i can tell wasn't even there when Cutler was there! He's just using the recent developments as a method to get his writing out into the spotlight. I don't blame him, but I think he could have done a better job. Maybe include ONE PERSON who actually knew Cutler at Vanderbilt who could actually attest to his personality. In fact, why hasn't this been done? Honestly? If he was a dickhead in college let's hear about it!

Ratboy
03-20-2009, 02:36 PM
In fact, why hasn't this been done? Honestly? If he was a dickhead in college let's hear about it!

Jay Cutler stole my lunch money.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
03-20-2009, 02:38 PM
By the way, I'm glad all of you anti-Cutler people are loving this article despite the fact that it offers nothing new to our ongoing "discussion." In one way or another, everything in this article has already been said. The only significant thing about it is that it was written by a writer at Vanderbilt, David Namm, who as far as i can tell wasn't even there when Cutler was there! He's just using the recent developments as a method to get his writing out into the spotlight. I don't blame him, but I think he could have done a better job. Maybe include ONE PERSON who actually knew Cutler at Vanderbilt who could actually attest to his personality. In fact, why hasn't this been done? Honestly? If he was a dickhead in college let's hear about it!

Again: Why does everyone who is pro-Broncos and pro-situation-getting-worked-out have to be labeled as "anti-Cutler." I'm not anti-Cutler. I just want him to cut the **** and get back to Denver.

SportinOne
03-20-2009, 02:50 PM
First of all, I voted for him too. Just ironic that you would say something like "people in high places never lie" facetiously.

Second, I'm curious what you think would make this whole thing go away. You obviously want Cutler in a Bronco uniform. So do I. I think McDaniels has gone out of his way, turning down trade offers and rebuffing anyone who is calling about Cutler. Belichick didn't have to say anything, and actually would have benefitted by keeping his mouth shut on the whole situation. If you look at quotes that are actually attributed to real people with real names who really give their names for stories, the Broncos version of what happened actually adds up quite well. Short of signing Cutler to a massive extension even though he still has three years left on his current deal, what needs to happen to get Jay back?

Read my post. It says what McD "supposedly lied about" is in the past. When all these pieces are falling into place, at some point, don't you have to sort of step back and look at all of it and think "wait a minute... maybe McDaniels wasn't lying. Maybe Cutler should get over himself and come back to become the best QB in the league."? I know, it's easy to get caught up in bull**** throwaway statements like "we were late to the dance," but in truth, they don't really mean much.

Here's the thing, it really doesn't add up. Someone (or multiple people) are lying. Yes, if you choose to believe the Broncos front office and everything that they say then what they say does add up. If you choose to believe everything that Jay says, then his story lines up. But if you try to believe everyone at once there is a large black hole of a gap in the story, much resembling the one here at the Orange Mane. I just don't think any of us know enough to be able to know for sure what happened so we get to this dead end and it becomes more of a matter of faith almost.

Rulon Velvet Jones
03-20-2009, 02:51 PM
Someone needs to bombard Jay's mailbox with pictures of their poor children crying with their Cutler jerseys on.

skpac1001
03-20-2009, 02:53 PM
By the way, I'm glad all of you anti-Cutler people are loving this article despite the fact that it offers nothing new to our ongoing "discussion." In one way or another, everything in this article has already been said. The only significant thing about it is that it was written by a writer at Vanderbilt, David Namm, who as far as i can tell wasn't even there when Cutler was there! He's just using the recent developments as a method to get his writing out into the spotlight. I don't blame him, but I think he could have done a better job. Maybe include ONE PERSON who actually knew Cutler at Vanderbilt who could actually attest to his personality. In fact, why hasn't this been done? Honestly? If he was a dickhead in college let's hear about it!

Personally, I thought this article wasn't anti-Jay, it was just expressing hope that he acts like a professional from here on out, including showing up when he is supposed to. It certainly wasn't pro-McDaniels, and is nothing to get defensive over, IMO. I would think the pro-Cutler crowd would agree with the article that it is best for all involved (and certainly for us) for Jay to be our qb next season and for him to act accordingly and professionally when mini-camp comes around.
Edit: Best for all involved except Mr. Cook. Which is another reason to hope it works out this way.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
03-20-2009, 02:55 PM
Here's the thing, it really doesn't add up. Someone (or multiple people) are lying. Yes, if you choose to believe the Broncos front office and everything that they say then what they say does add up. If you choose to believe everything that Jay says, then his story lines up. But if you try to believe everyone at once there is a large black hole of a gap in the story, much resembling the one here at the Orange Mane. I just don't think any of us know enough to be able to know for sure what happened so we get to this dead end and it becomes more of a matter of faith almost.

I agree whole heartedly with that.

here's what I think: I think the media got this one wrong, wrong, wrong, and they did so from the start.

I think they started calling Cutler, put the idea that the trade discussions were much more serious than they actually were, and that Bus Cook has parlayed that into a chance for more money.

But when cutler called Bowlen to personally ask him if the Broncos were trading him, Bowlen told him that they weren't. Which makes sense if the trade discussions didn't get serious enough (or close enough to happening) for Bowlen to be involved at all.

After this off season, with ESPN reporting things like "Shanahan in KC and signing a deal as we speak" and "Mortenson: good reporter or giant horse's ass?" (okay, I might have made that second one up), I think they have a lot more to gain than lose by throwing out a HUGE story, true or not, and seeing if it sticks.

baja
03-20-2009, 03:20 PM
But while the Broncos have done very little right in this scenario, you're helping them prove that they may not have been that wrong after all.

This bares repeating

SportinOne
03-20-2009, 03:20 PM
Again: Why does everyone who is pro-Broncos and pro-situation-getting-worked-out have to be labeled as "anti-Cutler." I'm not anti-Cutler. I just want him to cut the **** and get back to Denver.

And why do you want this? So that he can make your team better so that you can have a more enjoyable football season. If a quarterback popped out of nowhere tomorrow with an identical build and an identical skill set to Cutlers with none of the "attitude" and the Broncos could sign him you would be all over it. You'd forget about Cutler in a heartbeat. But there does not exist such a player, and so you are forced to hope for the scenario in which your team doesn't give Chris Simms over 300 snaps next year. Yes, it would be great if Jay would come back but I'll understand if he doesn't because, in my opinion, he has every right to be angry at the Broncos front office.

You do not consider his thoughts or feelings on this and have decided that he should do what you think he should do. You are anti-Cutler.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
03-20-2009, 03:26 PM
And why do you want this? So that he can make your team better so that you can have a more enjoyable football season. If a quarterback popped out of nowhere tomorrow with an identical build and an identical skill set to Cutlers with none of the "attitude" and the Broncos could sign him you would be all over it. You'd forget about Cutler in a heartbeat. But there does not exist such a player, and so you are forced to hope for the scenario in which your team doesn't give Chris Simms over 300 snaps next year. Yes, it would be great if Jay would come back but I'll understand if he doesn't because, in my opinion, he has every right to be angry at the Broncos front office.

You do not consider his thoughts or feelings on this and have decided that he should do what you think he should do. You are anti-Cutler.

That's so absurd, I don't even know where to start.

No, I don't consider his thoughts or feelings. KNow why? Because it's a ****ing business, and now everything is coming up that the front office really didn't try that hard to trade the guy. NONE OF THE TRADE OFFERS WERE LEGIT.

I'm not anti-Cutler at all. I just think the media and his agent have blown this out of proportion. You want to call it anti-Cutler, that's your right. You're wrong, but that's your right, too.

BroncoInferno
03-20-2009, 03:27 PM
he has every right to be angry at the Broncos front office.

No, he doesn't. Jay is supposedly pissed about being lied to. Belichek's statements yesterday confirm McDaniels version of events. So, Jay was not lied to about anything. His "sources" who told him otherwise either had bad info or lied to him. As such, he needs to quit crying and get back to work.

baja
03-20-2009, 03:29 PM
Watching walter Payton tape on NFL net Wow just WOW!!!!

Archer81
03-20-2009, 03:30 PM
Shanahan being fired pissed Jay off. McDaniels and co gave Cook an "excuse" to ask for a trade and get public sympathy on Jay's side. To which I say this. **** the agent in his big hillbilly ass and get Jay and Josh together. Just them. MAKE THE MAGIC HAPPEN.


:Broncos:

SportinOne
03-20-2009, 03:32 PM
Personally, I thought this article wasn't anti-Jay, it was just expressing hope that he acts like a professional from here on out, including showing up when he is supposed to. It certainly wasn't pro-McDaniels, and is nothing to get defensive over, IMO. I would think the pro-Cutler crowd would agree with the article that it is best for all involved (and certainly for us) for Jay to be our qb next season and for him to act accordingly and professionally when mini-camp comes around.
Edit: Best for all involved except Mr. Cook. Which is another reason to hope it works out this way.

I agree in that the article itself isn't for or against Cutler. All I am saying is that there is a difference between insight and commentary. This article nothing new, we have been saying this since this whole thing started and a lot more frequently as the days go on. Why not talk to some people around campus? Why not use the resources you have as a Vanderbilt sports writer? To me, there's just no purpose to the article, other than to get his name out there. This Jay Cutler fiasco has has dominated the front pages since it came out and he knew he could gather some attention with an article straight from the source of Jay Cutler's roots. Instead of putting something of substance together it seems as though he sat in his apartment and read column after column of the same stuff that we get before spitting it all back up into our laps.

SportinOne
03-20-2009, 03:41 PM
Shanahan being fired pissed Jay off. McDaniels and co gave Cook an "excuse" to ask for a trade and get public sympathy on Jay's side. To which I say this. **** the agent in his big hillbilly ass and get Jay and Josh together. Just them. MAKE THE MAGIC HAPPEN.


:Broncos:

Yeah, Cook is making matters worse than they have to be, i will say that.

By the way, I know who Steve Urkel is but is that supposed to resemble Obama in any way or is it just one of those wacky, not supposed to make sense, type pictures?

Archer81
03-20-2009, 03:43 PM
Yeah, Cook is making matters worse than they have to be, i will say that.

By the way, I know who Steve Urkel is but is that supposed to resemble Obama in any way or is it just one of those wacky, not supposed to make sense, type pictures?



Its like a great work of art. I let people see what they want when they look at it.


:Broncos:

elsid13
03-20-2009, 03:44 PM
Thus, depending on who you ask, you're either a golden boy or a royal pain, and there are plenty of teams willing to bet on the former.

Wow.

Weird, huh?

Because a student at Vandy has good inside view of what NFL Front Offices think about Cutler.

SportinOne
03-20-2009, 03:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Popps View Post
Thus, depending on who you ask, you're either a golden boy or a royal pain, and there are plenty of teams willing to bet on the former.

Wow.

Weird, huh?


Because a student at Vandy has good inside view of what NFL Front Offices think about Cutler.

Okay, timeout for humor..

I think Popps misinterpreted the statement. The statement is saying that most teams are willing to bet on the former, which in that case would be that Cutler is a golden boy and NOT a royal pain and that most teams would be glad to have him. Popps does not believe this, therefore my reason for suspecting that he goofed.

Then there is your statement which, depending on your position in all of this, could also be a goof based solely on the Popps goof..

Or then there is me, who could have totally missed what Popps was getting at.. just so much goin' on here

SportinOne
03-20-2009, 04:03 PM
Its like a great work of art. I let people see what they want when they look at it.


:Broncos:

The more i look at it, the more i see Obama.. and that just doesn't make any sense..

Swedish Extrovert
03-20-2009, 04:17 PM
Shanahan being fired pissed Jay off. McDaniels and co gave Cook an "excuse" to ask for a trade and get public sympathy on Jay's side. To which I say this. **** the agent in his big hillbilly ass and get Jay and Josh together. Just them. MAKE THE MAGIC HAPPEN.


:Broncos:

I think that a one-on-one with Jay and Josh minus Cook would change everything.

SportinOne
03-20-2009, 04:21 PM
I think that a one-on-one with Jay and Josh minus Cook would change everything.

At this point, i think the one-on-one that needs to happen is Jay and Bus. Then you can have Josh and Jay.

Popps
03-20-2009, 04:22 PM
I think that a one-on-one with Jay and Josh minus Cook would change everything.

You mean, he'd meet with the coach and not bring his DA-DA?!?

DenverBrit
03-20-2009, 04:40 PM
In the final analysis, Jay has nothing to complain about.
He signed a contract worth millions, right out of college.
The Broncos, who pay him, apparently were involved in trade talks that mentioned his name.....the talks went nowhere.
The Broncos, like every team in the NFL, have trading rights for every player they have under contract, so nothing to see here. No breach of contract.
Cutler is expected to be a team leader...if not THE team leader, yet he hasn't mentioned wanting to be with the team he plays for.
Cutler complains bitterly about the Broncos mentioning his name in a trade, yet wants to be traded. Hypocrisy, or just screwed up?
Does Jay seriously want to spend the next few years playing in Detroit...or some other NFL wasteland? Running for his life instead of playing behind an offensive line that has proven it's one of the best?
The microscope will be on Jay no matter where he goes, his outbursts and obvious immaturity have guaranteed that.
Is he more likely to grow up playing for a team that has traditionally screwed up no matter how often or how high it drafts (Detroit)?
Or are his chances better playing for a coach, who as an OC, guided a record breaking offense and later mentored a QB that hadn't thrown a pass since high school? A QB who took his team to 11-5.

Cutler knows the answers.......unless he has become as dumb as he is immature.

Dr.5280
03-20-2009, 09:15 PM
The best thing before sliced bread is BEARDED CLAM

Popps
03-20-2009, 10:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Popps View Post

Or then there is me, who could have totally missed what Popps was getting at.. just so much goin' on here

No, you're right. I misinterpreted the quote... sort of.

The idea that there was a split out there in opinion has been my general stance, so that part I agreed with. But, his follow up sentence did indicate that plenty of teams would bet that he was a "golden boy."

I don't know if I'd go that far, but there is a sucker born every minute. Or, a smart risk-taker. The jury is still out on which one it'll take to trade for Cutler.