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rugbythug
03-18-2009, 02:23 PM
Former HC Mike Martz weighs in on Jay Cutler situation

Milehighreport_tiny by TheSportsGuru on Mar 18, 2009 12:15 PM MDT Comment 38 comments

I know, I know, another take on the Jay Cutler saga. Unfortunately for you, I am always intrigued by the thoughts and opinions of "experts" when it comes to any drama or controversy.

For instance, I put more weight in the words of Mike Martz when it comes to the QB/Head Coach dynamic because, well, Martz WAS A HEAD COACH and had to deal with QB's. That makes him more 'qualified' than, say, John Clayton. That doesn't mean his opinion will be correct, but at least it comes from a position of real knowledge.

Anyway, Yahoo Sports posted the thoughts Martz, as well as an unnamed offensive coordinator currently working in the NFL. Their thoughts are interesting to say the least and follow the train of thought that became popular with this website before anywhere else last week --

Mike Martz --

“I really think the thing with Jay and [Broncos coach] Josh [McDaniels] isn’t an issue at all. To me, it’s more about the posturing that goes on, probably from people around Jay, like his agent. Really, that stuff happens all the time in the NFL and you just deal with it. You get in a room with just the quarterback and the coach and you start to talk about what you’re going to do, what’s the offense going to be and all of a sudden that stuff fixes itself … it’s like with Kurt [Warner] in St. Louis. His wife got involved in it on a radio program and it made news, but that was a short-term thing and it gets resolved pretty quickly.

To be honest, I think that Jay and Josh will work really well together once their able to sit down, away from other people, and just talk about football … Whether it’s the agent, management or the media, a lot of this stuff can take on a life of its own that really doesn’t matter once the player and the coach sit down and talk about the system, what the practices are going to be like, all of that stuff.

“I think that Josh will love Jay as a player when they finally are able to do that. I love Jay Cutler. When he was coming out in the draft, really, I was enraptured by his talent. I thought he was really, really special. We brought him in to Detroit before the draft and I talked to him for a long time. I like his makeup. I think he’s physically tough and mentally tough. I think he’s got everything you want in a quarterback.

“Yes, trust is a crucial part of the coach-quarterback relationship. No question, it’s all about trust. But that trust will develop. I know people are saying that Josh wanted to get Matt Cassel, but I think that if Jay and Josh give it time working together, there will be trust. Really, it would be different if this happened a year from now after they’d had a year to work together. If that were the case, then you could see there’s a problem. But that’s not where this is right now.”

NFL Offensive Coordinator --

“I agree that Cutler’s agent [Bus Cook] is driving this problem a lot. I’m not sure that I buy that Cook was the problem with what happened in Green Bay [where Cook client Brett Favre and the Packers went through an ugly divorce] or Tennessee [where Cook client Steve McNair and the Titans also parted on bad terms]. In both of those, the teams clearly wanted to go another direction. That wasn’t going to be pretty.

“But in Denver, this is one where Cook needs to be calming the situation, not feeding it. The Broncos have built that team around Cutler. They have Brandon Marshall, Eddie Royal and a good tight end [Tony Scheffler] if he can stay healthy. If you’re an agent for a quarterback with those guys, you keep him there because your quarterback has a chance to win and make a lot of money.

“To me, the owner [Pat Bowlen] has to tell the player, ‘You’re not going anywhere and that’s it.’ All this wishy washy crap about how they might trade him if they get a young quarterback or whatever, that’s ridiculous. It just feeds the frenzy. We’re talking about a franchise quarterback. This guy is the real deal when it comes to pure talent … Yeah, he has some issues that bug you. He’s kind of surly, from what I hear, and not a great leader yet and I emphasize yet because he was a great leader at Vanderbilt. All that stuff between him and Philip Rivers is just a waste of time. As a coach, you’re saying to yourself, ‘Who cares?’ But you know that there’s jealousy out there. If it makes him work harder, hey, that’s not a bad thing.”

If your opinion of this whole mess hasn't changed by now, well....

http://www.milehighreport.com/2009/3/18/802641/former-hc-mike-martz-wiegh

USMCBladerunner
03-18-2009, 02:30 PM
uh oh...he called Jay jealous...and he doesn't seem to know that the Broncos are shopping Scheffler

barryr
03-18-2009, 02:33 PM
Of course I thought the Broncos have already come out and said they weren't trading Cutler.

Anaximines
03-18-2009, 02:35 PM
still, pretty encouraging

DrFate
03-18-2009, 02:36 PM
and he doesn't seem to know that the Broncos are shopping Scheffler

You know... Didn't Graham come to Denver cause he wanted to catch more balls? And isn't Sparky shopping Scheffler because, as a patch catcher, he 'doesn't fit' because they run three wide a lot?

So - how does Graham feel about becoming that 3rd OT?

:wiggle:

supermanhr9
03-18-2009, 02:39 PM
I hope Jay didn't read this, it will onyl go to his head.

Kaylore
03-18-2009, 02:39 PM
I put as much stock in Martz's opinion as I do every other celebrity that's come forward for one camp or the other.

That said, he brought up a good point that Jay might want to consider.

Where else are you going to go with two bookend tackles, two pro-bowl receivers that compliment each other, a smart offensive coaching staff and a play-making tight end?

Virtually all the teams that would trade for Jay don't have at least half those things and some have fewer.

Be careful what you wish for, Cutler.

Kaylore
03-18-2009, 02:41 PM
You know... Didn't Graham come to Denver cause he wanted to catch more balls? And isn't Sparky shopping Scheffler because, as a patch catcher, he 'doesn't fit' because they run three wide a lot?

So - how does Graham feel about becoming that 3rd OT?

:wiggle:

Actually Graham came because we offered the most money. That said, he said he's very excited about working with McDaniels again.

skpac1001
03-18-2009, 02:44 PM
You know... Didn't Graham come to Denver cause he wanted to catch more balls? And isn't Sparky shopping Scheffler because, as a patch catcher, he 'doesn't fit' because they run three wide a lot?

So - how does Graham feel about becoming that 3rd OT?

:wiggle:

He is probably not very happy. However, being the team leader that he is, he does as his team asks and leads from the front.

barryr
03-18-2009, 02:45 PM
I put as much stock in Martz's opinion as I do every other celebrity that's come forward for one camp or the other.

That said, he brought up a good point that Jay might want to consider.

Where else are you going to go with two bookend tackles, two pro-bowl receivers that compliment each other, a smart offensive coaching staff and a play-making tight end?

Virtually all the teams that would trade for Jay don't have at least half those things and some have fewer.

Be careful what you wish for, Cutler.

Good point. Maybe Cutler is all about the money, who knows. I know I wouldn't want to play for the Lions or Browns especially and they have the most attractive deals to offer in a trade. As you stated, he needs to be careful what he wishes for. His agent won't give a damn. As long as he gets his money, Cutler can get his brains bashed in for all he cares.

no-pseudo-fan
03-18-2009, 02:57 PM
This is about a new deal. There is a new FO that is not married to Cutler, and he wants to know that he is secure going forward.

LonghornBronco
03-18-2009, 03:32 PM
I think this can all go away if we offer cutler a no-trade clause in exchange for a few more years tacked on to his contract. See, everybody's happy.

USMCBladerunner
03-18-2009, 03:37 PM
You know... Didn't Graham come to Denver cause he wanted to catch more balls? And isn't Sparky shopping Scheffler because, as a patch catcher, he 'doesn't fit' because they run three wide a lot?

So - how does Graham feel about becoming that 3rd OT?

:wiggle:

well he came to Denver because we offered him a pretty damn hefty contract...he said that he felt under used as a passing target in NE and that he looked forward to seeing more balls thrown his way in Den, but it didn't really turn out that way. He saw a little love toward the end of the season, but mostly he blocked as he did in NE.

I'm guessing that with Scheffler on the trade block, Graham gets inserted into the Ben Watson role, and I bet he's excited about that.

Rohirrim
03-18-2009, 03:40 PM
My bottom line is still that I want Jay back in the Broncos camp. I agree with Bowlen, it's up to Jay. If he doesn't want to be here, then adios.

rastaman
03-18-2009, 03:41 PM
Good point. Maybe Cutler is all about the money, who knows. I know I wouldn't want to play for the Lions or Browns especially and they have the most attractive deals to offer in a trade. As you stated, he needs to be careful what he wishes for. His agent won't give a damn. As long as he gets his money, Cutler can get his brains bashed in for all he cares.

I think Cutler and his agent are manuevering and posititioning for a possible reuniting with Shanahan for the 2010 season.

WABronco
03-18-2009, 03:46 PM
You know... Didn't Graham come to Denver cause he wanted to catch more balls? And isn't Sparky shopping Scheffler because, as a patch catcher, he 'doesn't fit' because they run three wide a lot?

Not to thread jack too much, but I don't agree with the notion that Scheffler doesn't fit in with the new Pat's offense. He seems to do just what Watson did for McDaniels in NE. As far as I can remember, Watson was split out or in the slot plenty...exactly what Scheffler excels at. So I'm kind of confused as to whether he's just "not in their plans" or "doesn't fit"...

Maybe it's a case of seeing Scheffler as a bit of a surplus with Graham in place with the bigger contract. Tony might be of more value to another team than he is to the new Broncos, and McDaniels can make do with Graham along with a few others to chip in (as he did in New England).

Or maybe McDaniels likes how his offense operated last season without Watson, or any other receiving TE threat for that matter, instead spreading the field with guys like Welker and Gaffney.

lostknight
03-18-2009, 03:55 PM
<i>“To me, the owner [Pat Bowlen] has to tell the player, ‘You’re not going anywhere and that’s it.’ All this wishy washy crap about how they might trade him if they get a young quarterback or whatever, that’s ridiculous. It just feeds the frenzy. We’re talking about a franchise quarterback. This guy is the real deal when it comes to pure talent … Yeah, he has some issues that bug you. He’s kind of surly, from what I hear, and not a great leader yet and I emphasize yet because he was a great leader at Vanderbilt. All that stuff between him and Philip Rivers is just a waste of time. </i>

Too bad Bowlen just did the opposite.

JPPT1974
03-18-2009, 03:57 PM
Well, whatever Bowlen says goes and rules.
No ands, ifs nor buts!

Mogulseeker
03-18-2009, 04:17 PM
Given the grammatical errors in those Martz quotes, I have to question the articles validity

Taco John
03-18-2009, 04:20 PM
This interview is puzzling to me. Why would any Broncos fan give a flying leap about what Mike Martz had to say about this situation? I mean, he's no Megan McCain...

OrangeRising
03-18-2009, 04:29 PM
That seems like a pretty honest assessment of this tar pit. McDaniels and Cutler have taken their positions and begun to lay seige to the other guy. In Cutlers' case, his artillery is directed by Bus Cook and is blazing away at anything that moves.

Metaphors aside, while Martz isn't my favorite football guy, he does understand the experience of resolving an end-all dispute with a star QB, which is exactly the situation Denver finds itself in at the moment. And his suggestion that the two sit down WITHOUT the outside influences and just hash things out, ultimately, offers the most realistic potential for a solution.

Of course, that assumes that McDaniels really does want Cutler in Denver, and that Cutler wants to stay under the right coaching conditions.

Big Assumptions, big problem, needs immediate solution. Can you hear me Pat?

DenverBrit
03-18-2009, 04:51 PM
But in Denver, this is one where Cook needs to be calming the situation, not feeding it.

This quote sums up Cook's role in all of this.
He's wrong and he should be a positive influence while his young client, Jay, is going off the rails.

How different might this have been if Cook had taken the high ground and told Jay:

"Hey, don't worry about it, this happens all the time. Let me talk with the Broncos and see how serious, if at all, this trade talk is."

The conflict could have ended right there.

Circle Orange
03-18-2009, 08:16 PM
I hope Jay didn't read this, it will onyl go to his head.

Because he's awesomely special, so Martz doth say.

ZONA
03-18-2009, 08:27 PM
I put as much stock in Martz's opinion as I do every other celebrity that's come forward for one camp or the other.

That said, he brought up a good point that Jay might want to consider.

Where else are you going to go with two bookend tackles, two pro-bowl receivers that compliment each other, a smart offensive coaching staff and a play-making tight end?

Virtually all the teams that would trade for Jay don't have at least half those things and some have fewer.

Be careful what you wish for, Cutler.

I've stated that many times. In fact, on my post about top cities Jay would want to play for, I also listed Denver, not only because of those thing you said, but also because this is a great franchise with great fans. He's the Denver Broncos QB. He will never be any more loved by fans where ever he goes then in Denver. An owner willing to spend money. Sure, there are some other that do but there are quite a few who won't. Excellent facilities, state of the art grass field, nice football weather.

Huge mistake is Cutler wants out.

Dedhed
03-18-2009, 08:50 PM
I put as much stock in Martz's opinion as I do every other celebrity that's come forward for one camp or the other.

That said, he brought up a good point that Jay might want to consider.

Where else are you going to go with two bookend tackles, two pro-bowl receivers that compliment each other, a smart offensive coaching staff and a play-making tight end?

Virtually all the teams that would trade for Jay don't have at least half those things and some have fewer.

Be careful what you wish for, Cutler.This is the most frustrating thing for me. Cutler under McDaniels could be the best QB in the league. Particularly with the offensive talent we have at the moment. Jay's the most talented QB out there, and McDaniels is the most talented offensive mind out there.

Together, they could be deadly, and I mean deadly like the league has rarely seen. The problem is that Jay doesn't want to work under McDaniels, or anybody, he liked having Bates whom he could bend to his will.

I understand McDaniels wanting to get Cassel, and I understand Cutler being a little upset. I also understand posturing for more money.

What I don't understand is why Cutler would want to leave Denver.

hambone13
03-18-2009, 09:18 PM
Actually Graham came because we offered the most money. That said, he said he's very excited about working with McDaniels again.

Agreed w/ the cash comment but what else is he going to say? I don't want to work with Josh? :rofl: :rofl:

hambone13
03-18-2009, 09:22 PM
I put as much stock in Martz's opinion as I do every other celebrity that's come forward for one camp or the other.

That said, he brought up a good point that Jay might want to consider.

Where else are you going to go with two bookend tackles, two pro-bowl receivers that compliment each other, a smart offensive coaching staff and a play-making tight end?

Virtually all the teams that would trade for Jay don't have at least half those things and some have fewer.

Be careful what you wish for, Cutler.

I totally agree with the, "be careful what you wish for" comment but encouraging that philosophy works both ways, just like this whole debacle.

"You're a butthole...."
"No, YOU're a butthole....."
"Nooooo, you're a butthole......"
"Nooooooooo, YOU're a butthole......."

hambone13
03-18-2009, 09:26 PM
He is probably not very happy. However, being the team leader that he is, he does as his team asks and leads from the front.

No, he took the most money over the superior team and is saying the right thing because he's not being shopped, yet. I would think he's one of the closet haters because he did want to catch more balls than he did in the previous system. Take at least a second to consider the player's perspective before you just take their comments as gospel when they're suppose to say the right thing. That's what he is doing well that Jay could learn from. Say the right thing, at the right time. That doesn't change the fact that he was financially motivated in his decision. Business is business. Graham too the cash over the "Team"......

hambone13
03-18-2009, 09:28 PM
Not to thread jack too much, but I don't agree with the notion that Scheffler doesn't fit in with the new Pat's offense. He seems to do just what Watson did for McDaniels in NE. As far as I can remember, Watson was split out or in the slot plenty...exactly what Scheffler excels at. So I'm kind of confused as to whether he's just "not in their plans" or "doesn't fit"...

Maybe it's a case of seeing Scheffler as a bit of a surplus with Graham in place with the bigger contract. Tony might be of more value to another team than he is to the new Broncos, and McDaniels can make do with Graham along with a few others to chip in (as he did in New England).

Or maybe McDaniels likes how his offense operated last season without Watson, or any other receiving TE threat for that matter, instead spreading the field with guys like Welker and Gaffney.

Mostly he doesn't fit because he's Shanny and Cutler's boy.....Secondly he doesn't fit because he's proven to be fragile....

lex
03-18-2009, 09:34 PM
My bottom line is still that I want Jay back in the Broncos camp. I agree with Bowlen, it's up to Jay. If he doesn't want to be here, then adios.


Pats just running from the problem he created.

Hamrob
03-18-2009, 09:56 PM
This is the most frustrating thing for me. Cutler under McDaniels could be the best QB in the league. Particularly with the offensive talent we have at the moment. Jay's the most talented QB out there, and McDaniels is the most talented offensive mind out there.

Together, they could be deadly, and I mean deadly like the league has rarely seen. The problem is that Jay doesn't want to work under McDaniels, or anybody, he liked having Bates whom he could bend to his will.

I understand McDaniels wanting to get Cassel, and I understand Cutler being a little upset. I also understand posturing for more money.

What I don't understand is why Cutler would want to leave Denver.What's not to understand? He doesn't feel that he can trust the coach or the owner....and he believes theres a good chance he can force them to trade him.

Here's the thing. Jay Cutler has alot more control of his destiny then many of you are giving him credit for. Any team out there that is interested in Cutler....are going to do their homework first. Their going to want to know that he'll report to their camp for starters. Their also going to want him to be happy to join their team...meaning....their going to have to be willing to give him a new deal. If they get wind from Cutler's camp...that he's not interested in going there...then they would be taking a huge risk trading for him. So, at the end of the day, Cutler will either stay in Denver or end up with a team of his choosing.

~Crash~
03-18-2009, 10:03 PM
You know... Didn't Graham come to Denver cause he wanted to catch more balls? And isn't Sparky shopping Scheffler because, as a patch catcher, he 'doesn't fit' because they run three wide a lot?

So - how does Graham feel about becoming that 3rd OT?

:wiggle:


umm then why the hell did we just sign the putz to a one year contract .:strong:

hambone13
03-18-2009, 10:06 PM
umm then why the hell did we just sign the putz to a one year contract .:strong:

To replace Scheff! He's Cutler/Shanny's boy.....

TheDave
03-18-2009, 11:09 PM
Why is it that everyone but McKid thinks Cutler is a franchise QB?

hambone13
03-18-2009, 11:11 PM
Why is it that everyone but McKid thinks Cutler is a franchise QB?

you might want to quote something unless it's just the voices in your head.....

TheDave
03-18-2009, 11:14 PM
you might want to quote something unless it's just the voices in your head.....

Crazy me, but trying to trade him for Cassel gave me that hint.

hambone13
03-18-2009, 11:21 PM
Crazy me, but trying to trade him for Cassel gave me that hint.

Sorry, I mis-interpreted it. It was too simple! I seriously thought you were directly responding to another quote. I couldn't agree more. No one around The Mane wants to call him a "Franchise QB" because they get bashed by Poops, Appa, etc. and the crew that is for the "McD" campaign for giving him that classification. I think it's pretty obvious that he was perceived that way (at least as the next best potential "star QB" in the league) before this whole thing blew up. Now he's not "mentally strong enough" to hack it as a SB winning QB because he's emotional, a biaaach of the greatest proportion, petulant, etc. He's basically the next Jeff George.

It's ludicrous. Everyone in the country know's Josh flubbed this thing and knows he needs to come out and say it....pay jay, at least what he was willing to pay Cassell guaranteed for next year and then make him prove it.....

TheDave
03-18-2009, 11:24 PM
Sorry, I mis-interpreted it. It was too simple! I seriously thought you were directly responding to another quote. I couldn't agree more. No one around The Mane wants to call him a "Franchise QB" because they get bashed by Poops, Appa, etc. and the crew that is for the "McD" campaign for giving him that classification. I think it's pretty obvious that he was perceived that way (at least as the next best potential "star QB" in the league) before this whole thing blew up. Now he's not "mentally strong enough" to hack it as a SB winning QB because he's emotional, a biaaach of the greatest proportion, petulant, etc. He's basically the next Jeff George.

It's ludicrous. Everyone in the country know's Josh flubbed this thing and knows he needs to come out and say it....pay jay, at least what he was willing to pay Cassell guaranteed for next year and then make him prove it.....

I was out in Southern Cal for the weekend and got a chance to talk to some of the local folks. Every person I spoke with thinks Denver is nuts for even considering moving him.

I seriously hope that cooler heads will prevail...

Popps
03-19-2009, 01:00 AM
I was out in Southern Cal for the weekend and got a chance to talk to some of the local folks. Every person I spoke with thinks Denver is nuts for even considering moving him.

I seriously hope that cooler heads will prevail...

Dave, ya didn't talk to me, brother! Right here in the heart of Los Angeles.

That said, I do think it's somewhat risky, but "nuts?" No. Not given the circumstances and not with all of the information we have to consider, at this point.

You have to remember, we're not building a 49ers-style franchise anymore. Think Steelers, Patriots, etc. It's going to be about balance, defense and an offensive system that seems to maximize those who play in it... including QBs.

The Patriots didn't draft a 1st round QB stat-star and then try to fill in the blanks around him, and we won't either. Hopefully, we'll be able to develop a guy like they did with Brady.... assuming Cutler leaves.

But, at the end of the day... I still hope he stays, but only if he comes in and acts like a teammate, a leader and a man. I don't want the organization to go chasing after this prima donna. It's the wrong statement and if they HAVE to do that, he's probably the wrong guy to be leading this team.

Hulamau
03-19-2009, 02:16 AM
Dave, ya didn't talk to me, brother! Right here in the heart of Los Angeles.

That said, I do think it's somewhat risky, but "nuts?" No. Not given the circumstances and not with all of the information we have to consider, at this point.

You have to remember, we're not building a 49ers-style franchise anymore. Think Steelers, Patriots, etc. It's going to be about balance, defense and an offensive system that seems to maximize those who play in it... including QBs.

The Patriots didn't draft a 1st round QB stat-star and then try to fill in the blanks around him, and we won't either. Hopefully, we'll be able to develop a guy like they did with Brady.... assuming Cutler leaves.

But, at the end of the day... I still hope he stays, but only if he comes in and acts like a teammate, a leader and a man. I don't want the organization to go chasing after this prima donna. It's the wrong statement and if they HAVE to do that, he's probably the wrong guy to be leading this team.

Ditto Popps

tsiguy96
03-19-2009, 03:15 AM
Why is it that everyone but McKid thinks Cutler is a franchise QB?

i gaurantee you he sees cutler as a franchise QB. but if he coulda gotten cassel, vrabel presumably, as well as some an additional first and likely more draft picks and still have a "franchise" QB in cassel (i guarantee you he sees cassel as franchise) then he should look into it...

watermock
03-19-2009, 03:17 AM
Good point. Maybe Cutler is all about the money, who knows. I know I wouldn't want to play for the Lions or Browns especially and they have the most attractive deals to offer in a trade. As you stated, he needs to be careful what he wishes for. His agent won't give a damn. As long as he gets his money, Cutler can get his brains bashed in for all he cares.

Jesus. Cutler has NEVER asked for a new or reworked comtract.

watermock
03-19-2009, 03:19 AM
This is about a new deal. There is a new FO that is not married to Cutler, and he wants to know that he is secure going forward.

That's bullsh!t. Maybe that's what Cook wants, but Jay has never said that, and neither has Cook.

extralife
03-19-2009, 03:35 AM
Dave, ya didn't talk to me, brother! Right here in the heart of Los Angeles.

That said, I do think it's somewhat risky, but "nuts?" No. Not given the circumstances and not with all of the information we have to consider, at this point.

You have to remember, we're not building a 49ers-style franchise anymore. Think Steelers, Patriots, etc. It's going to be about balance, defense and an offensive system that seems to maximize those who play in it... including QBs.

The Patriots didn't draft a 1st round QB stat-star and then try to fill in the blanks around him, and we won't either. Hopefully, we'll be able to develop a guy like they did with Brady.... assuming Cutler leaves.

But, at the end of the day... I still hope he stays, but only if he comes in and acts like a teammate, a leader and a man. I don't want the organization to go chasing after this prima donna. It's the wrong statement and if they HAVE to do that, he's probably the wrong guy to be leading this team.

They didn't "build" Tom Brady. They got lucky. They found a top 5 all time QB in the sixth round. You think you can do that, you better call up Pat. You'll also note that Belicheck didn't draft Tom: he was there when he got there, riding the pine. And what round was the guy he was sitting behind drafted? To suggest that it is the model of some franchises to forgo attempts to find a star QB is idiocy. What round did the Steelers draft Big Ben? How'd building around Manning work out for the Colts? How many teams win a Super Bowl without a star QB? The list essentially reads '85 Bears, '00 Ravens and '02 Bucs. Those are three of the top defenses of the Super Bowl era. And QB play is getting more and more important as the years go by. Our head coach runs a pass happy offense. Our offense is young and productive. This is not rocket science.

I mean...what more do you want? Attempting to rationalize a trade of Cutler as anything more than egotism is ridiculous.

Natedog24
03-19-2009, 03:55 AM
Dave, ya didn't talk to me, brother! Right here in the heart of Los Angeles.

That said, I do think it's somewhat risky, but "nuts?" No. Not given the circumstances and not with all of the information we have to consider, at this point.

You have to remember, we're not building a 49ers-style franchise anymore. Think Steelers, Patriots, etc. It's going to be about balance, defense and an offensive system that seems to maximize those who play in it... including QBs.

The Patriots didn't draft a 1st round QB stat-star and then try to fill in the blanks around him, and we won't either. Hopefully, we'll be able to develop a guy like they did with Brady.... assuming Cutler leaves.

But, at the end of the day... I still hope he stays, but only if he comes in and acts like a teammate, a leader and a man. I don't want the organization to go chasing after this prima donna. It's the wrong statement and if they HAVE to do that, he's probably the wrong guy to be leading this team.

I think you are highly underrating the ability of Ben Roethlisberger and Tom Brady. Both are easily two of the best QB's in the league today (in Brady's case probably already one of the best of all time and he wasn't really developed much at all; he stepped in right off the back and became a super bowl winning QB) and it will be extremely difficult for Denver to find a QB of their ability. Cutler IMO is capable of becoming that QB (he has the potential at least), but if Denver does indeed trade him finding a equal counterpart will be extremely difficult contrary to what Baltimore and Atlanta did in last year's draft. I hate to be Mr Negative but that is honesty how I see it unfortunately...

colonelbeef
03-19-2009, 06:53 AM
This is about a new deal. There is a new FO that is not married to Cutler, and he wants to know that he is secure going forward.

although this is not the only factor at play here, it would be naive to think money wouldn't cure this problem. That said, if that is what it takes to end this- PAY HIM.

McDaniels messed up, now he has to pay the penalty. Maybe next time he isn't so quick to try to trade his star 25 year old QB for his old teams' backup.

Mogulseeker
03-19-2009, 07:09 AM
I can't get over some of the obvious grammatical errors in that article. It's either fake, or transcripted by a horrible, horrible journalist.

Dedhed
03-19-2009, 07:33 AM
They didn't "build" Tom Brady. They got lucky. They found a top 5 all time QB in the sixth round. You think you can do that, you better call up Pat. You'll also note that Belicheck didn't draft Tom: he was there when he got there, riding the pine. And what round was the guy he was sitting behind drafted?You just undermined your own point. Your first round stud with the giant arm couldn't run the system and was beaten by a six round slack arm (by comparison) who got it and could run the system. They must be really lucky to have found another late round star in Cassel. I mean really lucky.

What round did the Steelers draft Big Ben? How'd building around Manning work out for the Colts? How many teams win a Super Bowl without a star QB?There have been plenty great QBs who have won titles who are system QBs, and not rifle armed freaks. Joe Montana, Steve Young, Eli Manning, Tom Brady. I also don't think it's coincidence that the less talented physically have more success when they get a great system around them. They understand that their strength comes from the system, and not their arm. A lot of physical freaks try to rely on themselves alone because they have more faith in their gifts than any system: Vick, George, Leaf, Mcnabb, Cunningham, Elway.

The last three learned later in their careers that they have to play within a system to reach the top. The first three never did.

The list essentially reads '85 Bears, '00 Ravens and '02 Bucs. Those are three of the top defenses of the Super Bowl era. And QB play is getting more and more important as the years go by. Our head coach runs a pass happy offense. Our offense is young and productive. This is not rocket science.

I mean...what more do you want? Attempting to rationalize a trade of Cutler as anything more than egotism is ridiculous.
The system is always more important than they player. No QB has ever carried a team with a poor system to a SB Title. Elway came as close as anyone, but even he only got there when he became part of a system that relied as much on running the ball as it did on his arm.

Many average talents at QB have been carried to SB titles by great systems. If Cutler is going to continue to rely on himself more than the system he's not going to have success here regardless of how hard he can throw the ball.

Kaylore
03-19-2009, 07:58 AM
I was out in Southern Cal for the weekend and got a chance to talk to some of the local folks. Every person I spoke with thinks Denver is nuts for even considering moving him.

I seriously hope that cooler heads will prevail...

First of all, Denver doesn't want to trade him. Cutler doesn't want to be here. I also don't think that McDaniels thinking he can win with Cassel means he thinks Cutler isn't as good as Cassel or isn't a franchise QB. I even think he believes Cassel isn't as good as Cutler. But McDaniels probably thinks he has enough of the "other pieces" (tackles, receivers) that he can win with Cassel, hit the ground running, and get a more pieces to help him upgrade the defense.

I don't think there's very many people that would argue he's not a franchise quarterback. I want him here and I want him playing. I don't want to toss out my Cutler jerseys. But he doesn't want to work with the new head coach. He thinks he's bigger than the team and is putting himself ahead of everything. That's not someone we can use, no matter how talented. I hope Cutler eats the humble pie, but I doubt he does.