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Taco John
03-18-2009, 11:23 AM
What does New England have that we don't? Why shouldn't we be chasing after Peppers? Seems like Peppers would actually generate some excitement for us, and actually address a NEED.

rugbythug
03-18-2009, 11:24 AM
Did you miss the multiple threads claiming we are? Ask Hotrod

broncofan2438
03-18-2009, 11:25 AM
Because McStupid is worrying about taking this team down instead of doing whats right

lostknight
03-18-2009, 11:26 AM
Don't you know that it's the offense that is the problem with the team? In fact, it's our pro-bowl quarterback that needs to go!

Dagmar
03-18-2009, 11:28 AM
$?

BroncoInferno
03-18-2009, 11:29 AM
Seems to me Carolina would be a logical landing spot for Jay. Surely, the Panthers are ready to move on without Delhomme, especially since they have a team built to win now. Cutler for Peppers and this years 1st and next years 1st.

vancejohnson82
03-18-2009, 11:30 AM
Don't you know that it's the offense that is the problem with the team? In fact, it's our pro-bowl quarterback that needs to go!

once again losing credibility by posting....

bronco militia
03-18-2009, 11:31 AM
because we need a QB, ya big dummy ;D

Mogulseeker
03-18-2009, 11:31 AM
We should be, but that franchise tag ain cheap... whats the going rate for Peppers now ... $14mil?

montrose
03-18-2009, 11:32 AM
I see a few possible reasons:

1) He'll cost significant value in draft picks to acquire him in a trade.
2) We then have to sign him to a very significant deal.
3) He'd be converting to a position he's never played before.
4) He'll soon be on the wrong side of 30 for pass rushers.
5) His motor has been severely questioned, especially in 2007. He was playing hard again in 2008 during a well publicized contract year.

orinjkrush
03-18-2009, 11:33 AM
if i was a good player, Denver would be one of the last places I would think about going to now.

Soap opera city.

epicSocialism4tw
03-18-2009, 11:34 AM
What does New England have that we don't? Why shouldn't we be chasing after Peppers? Seems like Peppers would actually generate some excitement for us, and actually address a NEED.

The Broncos dont want talent. They want drones.

CEH
03-18-2009, 11:35 AM
Because #1 on McD priority list is to trade your all pro QB
Fixing the D is #18 on his list

SonOfLe-loLang
03-18-2009, 11:38 AM
Plus, i dont believe we were on his "list of teams"

Gcver2ver3
03-18-2009, 11:38 AM
Seems to me Carolina would be a logical landing spot for Jay. Surely, the Panthers are ready to move on without Delhomme, especially since they have a team built to win now. Cutler for Peppers and this years 1st and next years 1st.

panthers don't have a 1st this year...

which is partly why i don't think we trade Jay to Carolina...

Popps
03-18-2009, 11:39 AM
I imagine we are considering him in our options. But, he's never played OLB in a 3-4, has he? Not sure how much playing time he's gotten standing up. He's not a typical 3-4 DE, that's for sure.

I wonder if part of it is having to spend a ton of money and trade value to acquire a guy who may or may not pan out as an OLB in the 3-4?

He also has a rep for being an up and down player.

I'd love to get him in Denver. He'd be better than anything we have... but I just wonder if the risk-reward is too imbalanced?

BroncoInferno
03-18-2009, 11:40 AM
panthers don't have a 1st this year...

partly why i don't think we trade Jay to Carolina...

Oh, yeah, forgot about that.

Well, another scenario would be to trade Jay to some other team in a deal that included at least one 1st rounder. With two 1st rounders, we'd have the flexibility to trade one of them for Peppers.

broncofan7
03-18-2009, 11:41 AM
Because #1 on McD priority list is to trade your all pro QB
Fixing the D is #18 on his list

LOL. Seems almost too hard to believe that our Bronco world has been flipped upside down--instead of needing GREAT improvement in only 2 areas of our team (and modest improvement offensively), we are posied to now have a great need in all 3 phases of our game...

kdissette
03-18-2009, 11:44 AM
Pros: Solid player 2nd in sacks since 2004, Carolina would entertain trading him for a 2nd and possibly a future pick.
Cons: Not gonna make a great OLB in the 3-4(he cant drop into coverage due to his long lanky body), We would be on the hook for 16million, He essentially quit on his team 2yrs ago and only played hard last year to get a payday, and Carolina has nothing of real value to give us in return.

Rohirrim
03-18-2009, 11:44 AM
Peppers is the kind of guy, at this point in his career, where you bring him in as a final piece to make a dash for the Lombardi, ie, Neil Smith, not a guy you bring in during phase 1 of a rebuild.

DrFate
03-18-2009, 11:44 AM
In all seriousness, I think he'll want Haynesworth type money.

barryr
03-18-2009, 11:47 AM
Peppers has reportedly listed the Pats, Dallas, and a couple other NFC teams he'd like to be traded to. The Broncos are not on that list.

NFLBRONCO
03-18-2009, 11:51 AM
If we trade Cutler we are starting OVER. It would be dumb of Denver to get Peppers.

kamakazi_kal
03-18-2009, 11:54 AM
What does New England have that we don't? Why shouldn't we be chasing after Peppers? Seems like Peppers would actually generate some excitement for us, and actually address a NEED.

McD would never undermine his mentor.

Rabb
03-18-2009, 11:55 AM
do we really have to ruin every god damn post with McDaniels and Cutler action?

I think it is a valid question, how about some valid answers/speculation

NFLBRONCO
03-18-2009, 11:56 AM
Because #1 on McD priority list is to trade your all pro QB
Fixing the D is #18 on his list

I think what Denver's plan is STARTING OVER. Since Bowlen is on board I find it hard to believe Bowlen wouldn't want one of their best players here if he thought his plan was short term fix. I expect within 3 years only 5 guys on this team will be here from Shanny's team.

BroncoMan4ever
03-18-2009, 11:58 AM
What does New England have that we don't? Why shouldn't we be chasing after Peppers? Seems like Peppers would actually generate some excitement for us, and actually address a NEED.

why pay a guy Haynesworth type money to play a position he never has before?

OBF1
03-18-2009, 12:04 PM
there are over 16 million reasons why we do not go after him $$$

Peoples Champ
03-18-2009, 12:06 PM
We should go for the Pepper, cutler and 2nd round for Delhome and Peppers

Taco John
03-18-2009, 12:06 PM
there are over 16 million reasons why we do not go after him $$$

Money isn't a factor if they were willing to pay Matt Cassell the $14.7 million he is scheduled to make this year.

Rabb
03-18-2009, 12:07 PM
We should go for the Pepper, cutler and 2nd round for Delhome and Peppers

please no

barryr
03-18-2009, 12:09 PM
I think what Denver's plan is STARTING OVER. Since Bowlen is on board I find it hard to believe Bowlen wouldn't want one of their best players here if he thought his plan was short term fix. I expect within 3 years only 5 guys on this team will be here from Shanny's team.

I hope most of the defensive players from Shanahan's era will be gone this year alone.

Tom A Hawk
03-18-2009, 12:16 PM
What does New England have that we don't? Why shouldn't we be chasing after Peppers? Seems like Peppers would actually generate some excitement for us, and actually address a NEED.

Peppers wants to play for NE, Dallas or 2 other unnamed NFC teams.

Tom A Hawk
03-18-2009, 12:19 PM
I think what Denver's plan is STARTING OVER. Since Bowlen is on board I find it hard to believe Bowlen wouldn't want one of their best players here if he thought his plan was short term fix. I expect within 3 years only 5 guys on this team will be here from Shanny's team.

you will then become the Chiefs.......DV type of players scratched (of course they were old but) for the type Herm lkes.

Shanahan type players scratched for the type McD prefers....which will still be better than Herm's team.
Speaking of Herm, that his little mock interview with Dilfer? Well, he indicated he knows how to handle Cutler. You should hire Herm:wiggle:

Mogulseeker
03-18-2009, 12:22 PM
We should go for the Pepper, cutler and 2nd round for Delhome and Peppers

Yikes!

lazarus4444
03-18-2009, 12:31 PM
wow, all you cutler jock hangers should look at what is really happening here. I can't believe the amount of disrespect being paid to our new coach when this whole ordeal is engineered by the cutler camp anyway.

Peoples Champ
03-18-2009, 12:34 PM
Yikes!



Ya I dont want it to happen, but If Cutler is a baby and bad attitude about everything. Bring in JP, even though he would eat up too much money.

Drek
03-18-2009, 12:47 PM
What does New England have that we don't? Why shouldn't we be chasing after Peppers? Seems like Peppers would actually generate some excitement for us, and actually address a NEED.

An established veteran locker room that will hold Peppers accountable for his often discussed poor motor?

An established 3-4 defense that can move him to OLB and afford the mental mistakes he makes along the way knowing the rest of the unit will play fundamentally sound football?

A higher 2nd round pick with which to out bid any preliminary overtures we could make?

That enough or should I go on?

DrFate
03-18-2009, 01:17 PM
Money isn't a factor if they were willing to pay Matt Cassell the $14.7 million he is scheduled to make this year.

What are you talking about, Taco?

Didn't you know that the braintrust had no intention (wink) of ever getting Cassel (wink wink)? That was all a ploy by Cutler's agent for a payday.

That 'fact' has been posted by a select number of Maners. :thumbsup:

theAPAOps5
03-18-2009, 01:57 PM
Hotrod has something to say on this. And the Patriots are out of the running for Peppers. If I were a betting man Peppers may be a Bronco on draft day if he is to be a Bronco

OBF1
03-18-2009, 02:01 PM
Money isn't a factor if they were willing to pay Matt Cassell the $14.7 million he is scheduled to make this year.

Come on Issac, You are alot smarter than this. IF we did get Cassell, we would have offered him a long term contract, nowhere near 14 million a year and a signing bonus spread out through out the life of it.

Peppers is going to want a contract close to what Washington gave Haynesworth.

Kaylore
03-18-2009, 02:03 PM
I'm not sure I want Peppers here...

Taco John
03-19-2009, 09:27 AM
Come on Issac, You are alot smarter than this. IF we did get Cassell, we would have offered him a long term contract, nowhere near 14 million a year and a signing bonus spread out through out the life of it.

Peppers is going to want a contract close to what Washington gave Haynesworth.


Out of what instinct on the part of Cassel's agent do you think that they'd take money off the table? $14.7 million is just the starting point for the Cassel new contract discussions. One way or another, he's going to be raking a check for at least that amount, whether it's in the form of a regular paycheck, or the form of a signing bonus. Whichever way he's paid that amount, it's not going to decrease.

BroncoInferno
03-19-2009, 09:31 AM
Out of what instinct on the part of Cassel's agent do you think that they'd take money off the table? $14.7 million is just the starting point for the Cassel new contract discussions. One way or another, he's going to be raking a check for at least that amount, whether it's in the form of a regular paycheck, or the form of a signing bonus. Whichever way he's paid that amount, it's not going to decrease.

You're right, but the salary cap number is maleable if that is what the concern is. In other words, he probably gets, say, $20 million in up front money as part of, say, a six year deal. So, you can spread the up front money over the life of the contract. Then his cap number lowers to somewhere around 7 or 8 million for the first year of the deal.

Taco John
03-19-2009, 09:35 AM
I understand that much. But I'm not certain if KC is going to want to do that right off the bat considering he may very well be a one year wonder, and they can tag him again next year. Or maybe they do want to commit to him, and throw a $20 million signing bonus his way. But either way, he's going to get his base $14.7 million dollars.

I'm glad it's not us making that decision.

Archer81
03-19-2009, 09:38 AM
Probably because he wont exactly fit into our version of the 3-4 defense...



:Broncos:

Hulamau
03-19-2009, 09:38 AM
Because #1 on McD priority list is to trade your all pro QB
Fixing the D is #18 on his list

:bs: :chargstin

Bob's your Information Minister
03-19-2009, 02:08 PM
Currently all of Denver's activities are focused on Matt Cassel.

DBBBSBS
03-19-2009, 02:10 PM
I think thread should be moved to horsebutt...

Taco John
03-19-2009, 02:11 PM
Currently all of Denver's activities are focused on Matt Cassel.


Is the deal nearly done?

Rock Chalk
03-19-2009, 02:16 PM
What does New England have that we don't? Why shouldn't we be chasing after Peppers? Seems like Peppers would actually generate some excitement for us, and actually address a NEED.

Its possible they are looking into it but, if we aren't then I have some plausible reasons:

1) The FO doesnt think Peppers is going to be a good player in a 3-4. Scouts say he is stiff and cant move like an OLB in a 3-4 needs to and its doubtful he would be a good DE in a 3-4.

2) FO may think Peppers' best days are behind him and they may not be wrong.

Taco John
03-19-2009, 02:23 PM
Its possible they are looking into it but, if we aren't then I have some plausible reasons:

1) The FO doesnt think Peppers is going to be a good player in a 3-4. Scouts say he is stiff and cant move like an OLB in a 3-4 needs to and its doubtful he would be a good DE in a 3-4.

2) FO may think Peppers' best days are behind him and they may not be wrong.



Yeah well... All things considered, I wonder how the atmosphere in Broncosland would be if instead of going after Matt Cassell, we had landed Julius Peppers. It's pretty nice to think about Julius Peppers on the same team as Jay Cutler - if nothing but for the locker room dynamic. (Though I personally think Julius Peppers has plenty left in the tank).

eddie mac
03-19-2009, 02:24 PM
Yeah well... All things considered, I wonder how the atmosphere in Broncosland would be if instead of going after Matt Cassell, we had landed Julius Peppers. It's pretty nice to think about Julius Peppers on the same team as Jay Cutler. - if nothing but for the locker room dynamic.


That could still happen in Carolina.:giggle:

Taco John
03-19-2009, 02:24 PM
That could still happen in Carolina.:giggle:


:rofl:

Bob's your Information Minister
03-19-2009, 02:26 PM
Personally I'd laugh even harder if we took you guys in a trade for Cassel and then drafted Stafford.....

I think Cassel is a good quarterback but the two coming out will be better.

FADERPROOF
03-19-2009, 02:39 PM
Peppers has a list of teams that he wants to play for, so why would Denver try to bring in someone that doesn't want any part of this team?

I think we're going through enough issues currently with players that do not want to be here, let's not go add another.

Chris
03-19-2009, 02:51 PM
Seems to me Carolina would be a logical landing spot for Jay. Surely, the Panthers are ready to move on without Delhomme, especially since they have a team built to win now. Cutler for Peppers and this years 1st and next years 1st.

T-T-T-Tasty Tasty.

cutthemdown
03-19-2009, 03:12 PM
panthers don't have a 1st this year...

which is partly why i don't think we trade Jay to Carolina...

maybe if Broncos get a couple of firsts for Cutler they would then think about dealing one for Peppers.

Popps
03-19-2009, 03:38 PM
Peppers has a list of teams that he wants to play for, so why would Denver try to bring in someone that doesn't want any part of this team?

I think we're going through enough issues currently with players that do not want to be here, let's not go add another.

Wasn't Denver on Peppers list of teams? I thought it was.

FireFly
03-19-2009, 07:11 PM
Peppers is the kind of guy, at this point in his career, where you bring him in as a final piece to make a dash for the Lombardi, ie, Neil Smith, not a guy you bring in during phase 1 of a rebuild.

I think this is a very good point. Given his price tag, you have to weigh up what you're actually getting and consider if that money can be better spread out elsewhere.

Popps
03-19-2009, 07:24 PM
Personally I'd laugh even harder if we took you guys in a trade for Cassel and then drafted Stafford.....

I think Cassel is a good quarterback but the two coming out will be better.

Dude, have you ever gotten anything right with regards to any quarterback on this site, ever?

Honestly, porker... why do you bother?

Bob's your Information Minister
03-19-2009, 07:26 PM
Dude, have you ever gotten anything right with regards to any quarterback on this site, ever?


Yes. I predicted Jay would put up big numbers before last season, while trying to keep pace with your rotten defense.

I'd say I knocked that one out of the park.

DBroncos4life
03-19-2009, 07:27 PM
Personally I'd laugh even harder if we took you guys in a trade for Cassel and then drafted Stafford.....

I think Cassel is a good quarterback but the two coming out will be better.

I think it would be sweet if you guys got to keep Cassel.

extralife
03-19-2009, 08:09 PM
I see a few possible reasons:

1) He'll cost significant value in draft picks to acquire him in a trade.
2) We then have to sign him to a very significant deal.
3) He'd be converting to a position he's never played before.
4) He'll soon be on the wrong side of 30 for pass rushers.
5) His motor has been severely questioned, especially in 2007. He was playing hard again in 2008 during a well publicized contract year.

6) All of the above.

Just say no to Peppers.

broncsyanks
03-19-2009, 08:15 PM
cutler and a number 2 in this years draft for peppers and delholme sounds good to me :D

broncosteven
03-19-2009, 08:17 PM
Dude, have you ever gotten anything right with regards to any quarterback on this site, ever?

Honestly, porker... why do you bother?

But Breakie was so good that he never won an NFL game.

Thypig was so much better because he won 1 NFL game.

KFC is a QB factory, for Nike, in China.

DBroncos4life
03-19-2009, 08:18 PM
I just don't see how we could land him and still afford to get Cassel. I mean we all know that if it wasn't for our QB play last year we would have won the division.

Rock Chalk
03-19-2009, 08:18 PM
Yeah well... All things considered, I wonder how the atmosphere in Broncosland would be if instead of going after Matt Cassell, we had landed Julius Peppers. It's pretty nice to think about Julius Peppers on the same team as Jay Cutler - if nothing but for the locker room dynamic. (Though I personally think Julius Peppers has plenty left in the tank).

I agree in regards to what Peppers has left. Doesnt make me right. I do not however, think he is going to be a good fit in a 3-4 defense. he has played a 4-3 his whole career and excels at the 4-3 end. He wouldnt like a 3-4 end and I dont think he has the capability to be an OLB in the 3-4.

Then again, we may not be playing a full force 3-4 either. Its pretty nice to think about Peppers in a Bronco uni, with or without Cutler to be honest with you.

Also, someone brought up Peppers had a list of teams he wanted to play for. Now that may include Denver as I seem to recall it DID, but it may not anymore. I really dont know what is going through Peppers head. Unlike Cutler though, he has bargaining power.

FireFly
03-19-2009, 08:42 PM
I do like Peppers. I just don't think we'd like what we'd have to give up in terms of compensation and then cap space to aquire him. Especially given that he is not a perfect fit for the new system.

And in my mind, if you're considering giving up this sort of stuff the player you're giving it up for SHOULD be a perfect fit for your system. IMO, he's the best (or very close to the best) 4-3 DE in the game at the moment. So if we were going to run the sytem where we'd get the most from him, i'd be like YEAH! Go for it! Do whatever it takes!

But we're not.

He's a good player. Even a great player. But is he a square peg for our round hole?

Edit: A very expensive square peg

ohiobronco2
03-20-2009, 07:03 AM
Yes. I predicted Jay would put up big numbers before last season, while trying to keep pace with your rotten defense.

I'd say I knocked that one out of the park.

Even a blind squirel finds a nut every now and then. Hey Bob, what is exactly going on at the planet these days? For being die hard Chief fans, you fellas surely talk about this Cutler-McDaniels drama a lot. Yesterday there were 4-5 threads about Cutler alone on the main page. I expect that on this message board. Of course, I understand, Pioli has been busier cutting players, than adding them.

ELEVATION
03-20-2009, 07:09 AM
untill peppers signs his tender he cant be touched for one...its tampering..

and when he does sign it will cost first rd picks and more....he may be good but we would have to shell out serious dough. cutler is the only way i see getting peppers and im not ready to do that for a guy who has only played excellent in spurts the last few years.....

epicSocialism4tw
03-20-2009, 01:03 PM
I'm not sure I want Peppers here...

Yeah...we dont want to have to spend money on game changers for the defensive line.

Drek
03-20-2009, 01:22 PM
Yeah...we dont want to have to spend money on game changers for the defensive line.

Peppers isn't a game changer.

People think he is because ESPN hypes him up and shows his ~10 sacks every season, but if you actually look at the whole body of work you'll see that he's a 5-10 play a game guy. Other than that he plays average.

If Peppers would play like he does on those few snaps when he's fired up he'd be the best defensive player in the league right now, possibly the entire history of the league. But he doesn't, and I don't see the kind of established defensive system or veterans in the locker room that would force him to straighten up his ****.

WolfpackGuy
03-20-2009, 01:26 PM
I like Peppers, but for being 29 and what he's gonna cost, you have to pass.

epicSocialism4tw
03-20-2009, 01:54 PM
Peppers isn't a game changer.



I'm not sure how you come to this conclusion after arguing that he is a "game changer", but only for a certain percentage of plays per game. I have seen plenty of Peppers. You are painting him as a lazy player, which is true to a certain extent, but not in a way that should stop someone from paying for him. He is easily one of the best defensive players in the league, and would instantly upgrade the entire defense simply by his presence in the lineup. Other teams would actually have to be concerned about a player on our line! Imagine that!

Hotrod
03-20-2009, 02:21 PM
Did you miss the multiple threads claiming we are? Ask Hotrod

Bingo be patient my little grasshoppers

gyldenlove
03-20-2009, 02:27 PM
I'm not sure how you come to this conclusion after arguing that he is a "game changer", but only for a certain percentage of plays per game. I have seen plenty of Peppers. You are painting him as a lazy player, which is true to a certain extent, but not in a way that should stop someone from paying for him. He is easily one of the best defensive players in the league, and would instantly upgrade the entire defense simply by his presence in the lineup. Other teams would actually have to be concerned about a player on our line! Imagine that!

Yup.


The only thing I don't like is playing him in a 3-4. If we are going to play a lot of hybrid he would be awesome because he can line up in the 6 spot and come right at the tackle like a defensive end.

Peppers would be really cool to have one one side in a 40 front on passing downs with Dumervil on the other side.

Drek
03-20-2009, 03:26 PM
I'm not sure how you come to this conclusion after arguing that he is a "game changer", but only for a certain percentage of plays per game. I have seen plenty of Peppers. You are painting him as a lazy player, which is true to a certain extent, but not in a way that should stop someone from paying for him. He is easily one of the best defensive players in the league, and would instantly upgrade the entire defense simply by his presence in the lineup. Other teams would actually have to be concerned about a player on our line! Imagine that!

A game changer is someone who does it continually. Peppers only has a handful of plays a game at that level, and if they don't happen to result in production he doesn't have an impact on the game.

If we were to play a straight 4-3 I'd be interested, but I just think you'll see less game changer plays (of which he only gives a handful now) and more mediocre plays when you move him to another defensive scheme he doesn't know as well.

We also won't be able to win any bidding wars for him with a team like the Pats, because their risk threshold thanks to an entrenched defensive system with a lot of veterans in the locker room marginalizes their risks in regards to Peppers.

In short, for a very good player who isn't going to give consistent or known production in a new scheme, wanting the kind of contract he wants, I can't see how we'd want to give more than our 3rd for him, and that simply isn't going to cut it.

FADERPROOF
03-22-2009, 07:27 PM
Wasn't Denver on Peppers list of teams? I thought it was.

Thought it was 3 NFC teams and Pats being the lone AFC team.

Popps
03-22-2009, 07:32 PM
Thought it was 3 NFC teams and Pats being the lone AFC team.

You're probably right. He did just say one AFC team. There was a bunch of speculation that we were interested, and he was in town for a Nuggets game. But, you know how all this BS is.

I'm leery of paying him huge $$ as a 3-4 OLB without seeing him play there. But, if we took the gamble, I'd be pretty upbeat about it.

Orange_Beard
03-22-2009, 10:46 PM
I wonder if McDummy has ever even seen the Broncos play.

Drek
03-23-2009, 05:43 AM
I wonder if McDummy has ever even seen the Broncos play.

I'm sure he saw all he needed to know when he kicked our asses, 41-7.

ELEVATION
03-23-2009, 05:50 AM
I'm sure he saw all he needed to know when he kicked our asses, 41-7.

that has to be why he wanted cassel....we only scored seven points and his godly QB threw 3 TD's.....lol