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Chupacabra
03-18-2009, 03:52 AM
After a 3 hour drunk discussion with a far left liberal, we have decided that the only solution for our generation (13-35) is to create a new party. The party will strictly adhere to the intent of our forefathers, voting within the district and only speaking about our personal convictions. Both of us denied the neo-con perspective, as well as the D/R perspectives. We also vetoed the libertarian idea, as it conflicted with too many D ideas. However, I have found that many of my generation agree upon the fair tax, tho I don't think that would go over smoothly. We decided that the compromised party needs to be bipartisan, without strife over issues like abortion, etc. Certain federal laws, w/ respect to abortion being incest/rape, should be left up to states. Otherwise, our great States United should be honestly represented.

Now, I know I have expressed massive doubt in our Pres. Obama. I do think his policies are to the detriment of our society. However, I do appreciate his rhetoric with regard to changing the status quo in Washington, and how special interests dominates the political spectrum. I hope that our generation moves beyond these silly political games and commence a time in which both sides are equally represented with equal compromise. When it comes down to it, the country is split 50-50. We think the country would still be about 40-40, with 20% refusing to compromise. However, the majority of my peers seek a middle ground. The libertarian party does not suffice, as it lends too much toward conservative values.

Where do we go? What is the next party? How do we achieve consensus? Does the future hold different policy according to political alignment in congress? Can we ever progress past politics? This brings up an interesting note I made, progress is not simply the opposite of Bush policy, but the compromise of conservative/liberal values. We must come together.

Personally, I believe McCain was the best candidate to fit the bill. Obama is too far left, as is most of the other candidates (altho I must say they were better than the Rs). However, McCain truly rides the fence. I feel my generation truly associates with this notion of compromise. If you are older and accustomed to the old fashioned way of left/right, I understand... But the country is drifting toward the middle. And I think it is necessary to begin thinking about a new direction, Democrat or Republican.

I, for one, will vote for states rights with regard to abortion when I am elected. Otherwise, without incest/rape, I will vote pro-choice. I am a conservative "republican." But, I don't trust the "republicans" as they are these days. I find myself falling on both sides of issues very often, as do many, if not most, of my peers. We seem to understand both sides of an issue, and strive to decide on an issue legislation by legislation. Our representatives/senators should do their due diligence and read the laws they enact. The should know each law passed and have a affirmative stance on either side of the issue. Now, most of you will say, this is impossible given their schedule/job. But should this not be the ideal? Should not every elected official study the law proposed, and vote according to his/her district?

My generation is sick of politics. And that is reflected in the terrible turnout for both parties. We need something beyond R/D/L. The I's are too under-represented. I have a map of the history of the political parties, and it is sad, if it were up to President Washington. We must find consensus, compromise, and agreement. It will make our federal government stronger than any government in the world. And in turn, make our States United stronger than any country in the world. Normally, I wouldn't doubt our superiority in the global scheme of things, but times are changing. And it seems about time somebody says something. Ron Paul fits the bill, but he leans too conservative (and altho I agree with his conservative principles), they aren't realistic.

Any thoughts? Aside from my drunken rant/discussion with my fellow polisci friend?

Chupacabra
03-18-2009, 03:57 AM
Perhaps realistic/creative names for a new party. I want to run for the next congressional election, but lack a "party." I need this to be my platform. I lend a vote to all in my district, and vote according to their wishes. Tis the way I think it was meant to be. I will preach my side of things, but will never sway from my people's vote. What is our name?

Chupacabra
03-18-2009, 04:07 AM
Or perhaps drunk political rant #1 on the mane. My apologies, folks. But I truly feel my generation will bring a new way to politics. Of course, one school of thought will dominate mostly, but we can try.

kappys
03-18-2009, 06:56 AM
Good luck. If you get anywhere expect to be ruthlessly crushed by the Dems and Reps working together. Crushing third parties is one of the few issues they are truly bipartisan on.

epicSocialism4tw
03-18-2009, 08:09 AM
Good luck. If you get anywhere expect to be ruthlessly crushed by the Dems and Reps working together. Crushing third parties is one of the few issues they are truly bipartisan on.

No doubt.

Bronco Bob
03-18-2009, 06:53 PM
Plus if you think it is hard to get anything done now in Congress with
two parties fighting each other, imagine what things would be like
with three parties fighting each other. Take a look at what goes
on in European countries like Italy that have multiple parties.

rastaman
03-18-2009, 07:29 PM
Perhaps realistic/creative names for a new party. I want to run for the next congressional election, but lack a "party." I need this to be my platform. I lend a vote to all in my district, and vote according to their wishes. Tis the way I think it was meant to be. I will preach my side of things, but will never sway from my people's vote. What is our name?

Well before you think about the name for your new party, perhaps you should ensure that the students btwn the ages of 13-18 are thorougly educated in civics, local, state, and national politics.

I say this b/c it the young people in that age group who are the future of the 3rd party. Then of course those voters in the age groups of 20-35 years of age will be your foot soldiers, organizers, and fund raisers.

If you can find away to bring these two distinct age groups to get on the same page of your goals in the next 8-12 years, you could be well on your way to starting your Third Party.

alkemical
03-19-2009, 06:42 AM
Plus if you think it is hard to get anything done now in Congress with
two parties fighting each other, imagine what things would be like
with three parties fighting each other. Take a look at what goes
on in European countries like Italy that have multiple parties.

They aren't really fighting each other - that's the dog and pony show.

Bob
03-19-2009, 11:14 AM
They aren't really fighting each other - that's the dog and pony show.

Aloot of truth to this, the fighting often is to distract, so they can continue to do what they want.

I wonder how many folks are really outraged at AIG bonuses, (it was reported months ago, in the Wall Street Journal) or if they are pretending, to distract, so we wont get angry at the ones in office.

alkemical
03-19-2009, 11:24 AM
Aloot of truth to this, the fighting often is to distract, so they can continue to do what they want.

I wonder how many folks are really outraged at AIG bonuses, (it was reported months ago, in the Wall Street Journal) or if they are pretending, to distract, so we wont get angry at the ones in office.



If people read, or knew - that legislators put the loopholes in for the bonus's to be paid...they'd see more of it.

But, due to the galvanization of the political process - people are too busy pointing fingers and then exacting the same behaviour they critisized. It's a very adolescent way, and has let to many problems in this country: We lack adult leadership.

alkemical
03-19-2009, 12:00 PM
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UberBroncoMan
03-19-2009, 12:11 PM
I already believe we need a 3rd party that actually stands for the American people. But as other posters have said... if there is anything that will unite Dems and Reps it's crushing any opposition that could take away from their power.

alkemical
03-19-2009, 12:20 PM
I already believe we need a 3rd party that actually stands for the American people. But as other posters have said... if there is anything that will unite Dems and Reps it's crushing any opposition that could take away from their power.

It's all theatre. They pretend to be competing against each other - but it's really us citizens they are competing against.

barryr
03-19-2009, 05:18 PM
Don't forget the media. They will not give 3rd party candidates any seriousness and if anything, do all they can to cast them as a joke and a waste of time.