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montrose
03-17-2009, 09:45 PM
ENGLEWOOD, Colo. -- Josh McDaniels didn't get to bring his protege with him from New England to Denver. He sure brought the Patriots' management philosophies to the Mile High City, though.

Aside from the intricate Patriots-style offense he's installing in place of the West Coast system that's been here since the 1990s, the Broncos' new coach is instilling a tenet prized by his mentor, Bill Belichick, who, for the sake of team unity, never panders to superstars.

It helps explain why McDaniels didn't just hang up the phone when teams called about a three-way swap that would have sent his best player packing and brought Matt Cassel over from New England before he landed in Kansas City instead.

It also shows why McDaniels hasn't acquiesced in the resulting feud with recalcitrant quarterback Jay Cutler, who now wants a trade.

One player McDaniels did get to bring with him to Denver is free agent wide receiver Jabar Gaffney, who said McDaniels is just like Belichick in so many ways both on the football field and in the front office.

"Just how he handles business, the way he goes about treating everybody the same. Not showing favoritism to any one player who is supposed to be I guess a 'star,'" Gaffney said. "They don't care. They want a team. A team to go out there and win. Because the individuals won't win."

Gaffney saw those philosophies firsthand when McDaniels was New England's offensive coordinator the last three years.

Even Tom Brady, a three-time Super Bowl winner, caught plenty of guff from McDaniels, Gaffney recounted.

"Yeah, I think Tom got [chewed out] just about as much as everybody else did. So, that's great. Once you see your quarterback get talked to, then you know Coach is showing no favoritism," Gaffney said.

"Everybody has to show up and play."

Which is what the Broncos want Cutler, the face of their franchise, to do.

McDaniels is still waiting for Cutler to call him so they can try to work things out one last time. Cutler is in Nashville, Tenn., waiting for a phone call telling him the Broncos have heeded his request for a trade that he made Sunday through his agent, Bus Cook.

Just two weeks ago it was the other way around in this soap opera: Cutler throwing a fit because McDaniels tried to trade him.

With the standoff continuing Tuesday, recently-signed quarterback Chris Simms tossed around some footballs at the team's training facility when the Broncos went outside for their first running drills of the offseason.

"Yeah, we've been throwing the ball around a little bit," Gaffney said.

Simms, who has thrown just two passes since undergoing emergency surgery to remove his spleen after a game in 2006, signed a two-year, $6 million free agent deal ostensibly to serve as Cutler's backup.

The only other quarterback on the roster is Darrell Hackney, whose next NFL pass will be his first.

In New England, Brady is notorious for his work ethic. But Gaffney said it wasn't just that Brady led by example.

"Everybody is held accountable," Gaffney said. "Tom did his thing, but I mean, whether he would have been there or not, everybody was going to go out there and work hard. Same thing that Josh kind of said in our team meeting: 'Everybody that's here, let's go to work. We're a team. That deal [with Cutler] with get handled.'

"So, we'll love to have him here," Gaffney said. "I was looking forward to meeting him. That will happen all in its time."

Unless Cutler forces his way out of Denver.

Because the offseason program is voluntary, Cutler isn't being fined for his absence, although he's risking a $100,000 bonus. For a man halfway through a $48 million contract and who projects to make many millions more than that in his next contract, $100,000 is small potatoes. Money's not going to get him back.

Cutler has said he'll show up for mandatory workouts next month if he's still a member of the Broncos. The team holds its first minicamp April 17-19, a week before the draft.

If the Broncos decide to deal Cutler in exchange for another established quarterback, it would make sense to get a trade done before that first minicamp so they can start installing their new offense.

Tampa Bay and Detroit were interested in acquiring Cutler before, so it stands to reason that the Buccaneers and Lions would be at the top of the list of teams trying to pry him away now.

Other teams that might make good trade partners include the Cleveland Browns, Chicago Bears, Dallas Cowboys, Minnesota Vikings and Tennessee Titans.

If the relationship is deemed irreparable, McDaniels might seek a high draft pick to select a passer from the college ranks, which might mean Simms being their man in the interim.

If Cutler stays, McDaniels will want bygones to be bygones because the last thing he needs is a relationship like former Broncos coach Dan Reeves had with Hall of Famer John Elway, a nasty dispute that also grew out of trade talks behind the player's back and which eventually led to Reeves' firing.

The saga doesn't seem to be bothering Cutler's teammates.

"As far as I know, Jay is still on the team, so he's still the face of the team, I guess," pass-rusher Elvis Dumervil said. "And until another message comes across the screen, that's all I know."

The Broncos declined interview requests again Tuesday for McDaniels, the general manager and the owner. Cook didn't return a call from The Associated Press.

Copyright 2009 by The Associated Press

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3990823

ZONA
03-17-2009, 09:52 PM
I'm happy Josh is here based on what he has done with their QB's and their offense during his time. Not so much because the Pats do things a certain way over there. They are a great team and nobody denies that but the play of Brady has brought that team a long long way and that cannot be under played. If they had a lesser player at QB, I'm not so sure they win all those superbowls. I think they would have still been a rock solid team, just as we saw last year.

montrose
03-17-2009, 10:43 PM
Tonight on CBS4, Vic Lombardi shared a story from John Lynch. Apparently, during Lynch's first team meeting with New England last summer, Belichick singled out and tore into Tom Brady in front of the entire team. He didn't speak on why, but reiterated that the Patriot Way is that no one is above the team. There are no star players.

UboBronco
03-17-2009, 10:49 PM
Tonight on CBS4, Vic Lombardi shared a story from John Lynch. Apparently, during Lynch's first team meeting with New England last summer, Belichick singled out and tore into Tom Brady in front of the entire team. He didn't speak on why, but reiterated that the Patriot Way is that no one is above the team. There are no star players.

If this is true, go Josh, as this will win many more games than the "me" that is going around the league right now.

Popps
03-17-2009, 10:50 PM
Tonight on CBS4, Vic Lombardi shared a story from John Lynch. Apparently, during Lynch's first team meeting with New England last summer, Belichick singled out and tore into Tom Brady in front of the entire team. He didn't speak on why, but reiterated that the Patriot Way is that no one is above the team. There are no star players.

Love it.

lex
03-17-2009, 10:51 PM
Screw the Patriots. All their championships are tainted.

SoCalBronco
03-17-2009, 10:53 PM
Pampering is not the issue. It is an effective "look over there" tool of deflection, though.

UberBroncoMan
03-17-2009, 11:14 PM
I don't think others should be treated better etc. However McDaniels needs to be accountable for his mistakes as well. He should have fixed this by not severing communication with Jay when everything went down. He should have fixed this by saying "You're my QB." It doesn't mean he can't still "chew out" Cutler later on. He needs to go to Tennessee and talk to Jay 1 on 1, and get this settled once and for all. The biggest reason Jay got all pissed about this wasn't the trade stuff, it was the fact McDaniels continuously lied about not being interested in the trade (which he later finally admitted he was in a hostile manner in the Saturday meeting). Some people what honesty, and Josh didn't show any. So how can you respect someone chewing you out if they can't be honest. That's how this all happened. Either way, one of them needs to sallow their pride to make this work... if not, Cutler is gone, since Bowlen has sided with Josh (no doubt because Cook told Jay not to answer any calls *including Bowlens*).

spdirty
03-17-2009, 11:42 PM
AP: McDaniels brings Patriots' way



Aint that the freaking truth. I mean hell, in less than 3 months on the job the guy has already brought a "gate" to Denver.

BroncoInferno
03-17-2009, 11:54 PM
Pampering is not the issue. It is an effective "look over there" tool of deflection, though.

Except you have absolutely ZERO proof of deflection. NONE. So, your position is merely hysterics. Sorry, that's the stone cold reality. There's not one single shred of evidence to support your position...sorry, you lose.

SoCalBronco
03-17-2009, 11:59 PM
Except you have absolutely ZERO proof of deflection. NONE. So, your position is merely hysterics. Sorry, that's the stone cold reality. There's not one single shred of evidence to support your position...sorry, you lose.

The issues are evaluations of talent and misrepresentation. Coach Josh has already admitted they wanted Cassel, not just that they listened. You saw it yourself....he said he was too late to the dance. Jay isnt asking for special treatment, the issue is not pampering or that he MIGHT be dealt....he did expect not to be lied too though and now it has been admitted. In many ways the talent evaluation problem and the elevation of familiarity as a more desired quality than superior talent is a bigger concern, going forward.

baja
03-18-2009, 12:03 AM
Pampering is not the issue. It is an effective "look over there" tool of deflection, though.

I don't totally disagree with you. Bottom line a great communicator would have solved this problem days after it started.

FireFly
03-18-2009, 12:03 AM
i love it. If I wanted anything from a HC, it was this. I've been waiting to see this in the NFL. I'm sick of everyone pandering to the players. Scraping and bowing. They get paid enough that they should be grateful to play in such a great league. Its not us, or the teams that should be grateful that they bless us with their presence. THey're paid to be in camp and on the field

BroncoInferno
03-18-2009, 12:09 AM
The issues are evaluations of talent and misrepresentation. Coach Josh has already admitted they wanted Cassel, not just that they listened.

No, they didn't. Show me the quote. The King interview says nothing of the kind.

You saw it yourself....he said he was too late to the dance.

Yes, and the meaning of that quote is clear to anyone who cares about context. McD said no serious offer was made to Denver until day one of FA, and they thought so much of that offer that they put consideration of it on the back burner while they completed six FA deals. Yeah, they were in such a hurry to get rid of Cutler Uhh

Jay isnt asking for special treatment, the issue is not pampering or that he MIGHT be dealt....[

That is exactly what is at issue to anyone with a proper pulse on the issue. Your interpretation of things is simply wrong as I have clearly demonstrated.

he did expect not to be lied too though and now it has been admitted.

No one has ever admitted or implied that they lied in the front office. Give the proof. You don't have it. I mean it is maddening to see folks like you saying this when it is patently false.

In many ways the talent evaluation problem and the elevation of familiarity as a more desired quality than superior talent is a bigger concern, going forward.

Yeah, if you think you know for a fact what the situation was. It seems clear to me the only deal considered was one that included Cassel AND extras. So you are wrong again.

lazarus4444
03-18-2009, 03:32 AM
I love how Coach McDaniels is bringing in a winning philosophy. Too bad that cutler is not going to fit in with this philosophy.

fontaine
03-18-2009, 04:17 AM
Uh, how does that way go again?

Try and trade for a QB when you've already got a franchise QB on the roster, then lie about it, and then finally admit it?

Just for the record, if Denver had landed Cassell what exactly were they going to pay him? Any trade would have resulted in a new deal for Cassell giving him a big money deal and now that Jay and his agent want a similar guarantee this has turned into a d*ck measuring contest.

What a complete noobie HC.

MileHighMania
03-18-2009, 06:57 AM
There's a difference in 'not pampering stars' and walking in within the first few months of your tenure as HC, upsetting your QB and then not being 'warm and fuzzy' to make it right.

Josh and Xanders have failed miserably on this, Bowlen has dropped the ball and Cutler has been a whiner... and the fans are stuck listening to this drama roll on unresolved.

dbfan21
03-18-2009, 07:13 AM
I don't think others should be treated better etc. However McDaniels needs to be accountable for his mistakes as well. He should have fixed this by not severing communication with Jay when everything went down. He should have fixed this by saying "You're my QB." It doesn't mean he can't still "chew out" Cutler later on. He needs to go to Tennessee and talk to Jay 1 on 1, and get this settled once and for all. The biggest reason Jay got all pissed about this wasn't the trade stuff, it was the fact McDaniels continuously lied about not being interested in the trade (which he later finally admitted he was in a hostile manner in the Saturday meeting). Some people what honesty, and Josh didn't show any. So how can you respect someone chewing you out if they can't be honest. That's how this all happened. Either way, one of them needs to sallow their pride to make this work... if not, Cutler is gone, since Bowlen has sided with Josh (no doubt because Cook told Jay not to answer any calls *including Bowlens*).

This is exactly what I have been telling my friends. Josh needs to go see Jay. If the guy won't return your calls, show up on his doorstep and tell him that, while no one player is above the team, you are an integral part of our plans for the future.

spdirty
03-18-2009, 07:39 AM
This is exactly what I have been telling my friends. Josh needs to go see Jay. If the guy won't return your calls, show up on his doorstep and tell him that, while no one player is above the team, you are an integral part of our plans for the future.

well, both Josh and Pat are being stubborn a holes about it. Cutler flew here Saturday to try to get his hashed out, why cant they fly to Tennessee to at least try to get it resolved?

BroncoInSkinland
03-18-2009, 07:47 AM
How about pampering the fans. In three months I have gone from thinking SD was floundering, thier window closing, and that we were in position to lock the Division down for the next three or more years all the way to 4-12 being a realistic W-L record next year, and wondering wether we will finish behind Chokeland, KC, or both. If McDaniels runs Jay out of town, he had better make the playoffs THIS year. F a rebuilding year, and F give the new coach some time. He plays it this way and costs us a franchise quarterback, he better yeild results right away.

Garcia Bronco
03-18-2009, 07:50 AM
I don't totally disagree with you. Bottom line a great communicator would have solved this problem days after it started.

True, but it would seem that Cutler and his agent are driving this as this point. I ca understand being upset for a week or two, but after that get over it. There are people out there with real problems facing dire situations, and Cutler and is agent's bull**** pale in comparison.

Stormontheplains
03-18-2009, 07:50 AM
I'm happy Josh is here based on what he has done with their QB's and their offense during his time. Not so much because the Pats do things a certain way over there. They are a great team and nobody denies that but the play of Brady has brought that team a long long way and that cannot be under played. If they had a lesser player at QB, I'm not so sure they win all those superbowls. I think they would have still been a rock solid team, just as we saw last year.

Your happy that with better talent McD failed to win a super bowl like Wiess did with lesser offensive talent? McD's downfall which Wiess understood is running the football. McD would have a super bowl had he ran the ball against the giants. I believe his system is flawed when it comes to the postseason

baja
03-18-2009, 07:53 AM
Uh, how does that way go again?

Try and trade for a QB when you've already got a franchise QB on the roster, then lie about it, and then finally admit it?

Just for the record, if Denver had landed Cassell what exactly were they going to pay him? Any trade would have resulted in a new deal for Cassell giving him a big money deal and now that Jay and his agent want a similar guarantee this has turned into a d*ck measuring contest.

What a complete noobie HC.

At some point you have got to say to yourself all the rest of the team is excited about McDaniels plan and dedication so why is Cutler the only one off sulking. No matter who is at fault on this botched trade issue the acts of Cutler do indicate he may not be a team first type guy. I am glad McDaniels is sticking to his philosophy and that Bowlen is backing him. I hope Jay comes around but if not maybe a trade is for the best.

fontaine
03-18-2009, 08:58 AM
At some point you have got to say to yourself all the rest of the team is excited about McDaniels plan and dedication so why is Cutler the only one off sulking. No matter who is at fault on this botched trade issue the acts of Cutler do indicate he may not be a team first type guy. I am glad McDaniels is sticking to his philosophy and that Bowlen is backing him. I hope Jay comes around but if not maybe a trade is for the best.


Sorry dude, this isn't about philosophy. If it REALLY was about philosophy then McDaniels would do it the "Patriot Way" that I keep hearing so much about and let Jay piss off while he ignores him and elevates Chris Simms as the starter, because after all, isn't his philosophy, as so many are telling us, that no player is more important than the team etc etc?

It all comes down to this:

The new FO/HC were ready in theory to give Cassell the starting gig and a big fat long term contract to go with it.

Jay and his agent are pissed off because they wanted that for Cutler.

And now the HC is caught out on a lie when Cook is asking for that contract for his player and the new HC doesn't want to get bent over and rail roaded by some agent in his first few months as HC.

It's all a glorified, drawn out, pathetic power struggle kicked off by amateur hour from our FO/HC.

I'm disgusted at both sides, but please, let's not try to polish up this turd by covering it up by the guise of philosophy. Here's a thought, if winning as a team and no one individual is more important than the other is the "philosophy" that McDaniels lives by then maybe he ought to take some of that medicine himself and eat humble pie by admitting he ****ed up and be open to giving Jay that deal he was so ready to drop on Cassell?

Since you know, no one individual or ego is more important than the team.

Right now McDaniels is being coy about his interest in Cassell and not Jay because he doesn't want to appear weak as a new young HC. So yeah, technically, it's EXACTLY the OPPOSITE of that philosophy.

fontaine
03-18-2009, 09:06 AM
And on that note let me just leave you with one thought.

Who exactly do you expect to last longer with a franchise:

1. A franchise type QB in Cutler

2. An ex Patriot Coordinator making his first tour as HC

- I know I expect Cutler to play at a pro bowl level for the next 8-9 years.

- Does anyone really expect McDaniels to be a successful coach here in Denver for the next 8 or 9? I don't think anyone can say with any certaintity given how he's an unkown.

My point is simple: I don't give a crap about how McDaniels or Cutler are acting in all of this. All I know is that a stud QB is a lot more valueable to this franchise than an unkown HC.