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PaintballCLE
03-17-2009, 08:08 PM
Think about it from this perspective:

Bellicheat franchises cassel for the SOLE reason of to be an insurance policy that Brady isn't heathy by training camp/opening day.

All reports NOW say that Brady will be fine by that time.

In the meantime Bowlen shakes up the broncos and hires a 32 yr old head coach......who was only a QB coach.........most recently for mr. Cassel.

Bowlen also hires a GM with no experience........

Maybe the broncos were telling the truth. They didn't intitate the trade talks.

Everyone assumes they did, but i beleive they didn't as they have said all along.

Maybe Bellicheat was looking for a way to unload that 14 mil for cassel now that Brady was going to be OK.

He probably contacted TB, Detroit, ect..... but maybe theydidn't want to be stupid and pay 14 mil for a unproven QB.

Then a light bulb went off.........Denver has a NEW GM, a NEW young head coach with no experience that just got done being the QB coach for cassel.

And the phone calls started from there.

Rabb
03-17-2009, 08:10 PM
I think they told the truth just at the wrong moment, and not all of it

SoCalBronco
03-17-2009, 08:17 PM
They couldn't have been telling the truth when they admitted they lied.

"We came late to the dance"

OBF1
03-17-2009, 08:21 PM
I talked with Mr Bowlen today. He told me the entire Cutler vs McDaniels ordeal was made up with the sole intent of giving SoCalBronco a stroke.




Pat won, It has worked and SoCal will never be the same again

SoCalBronco
03-17-2009, 08:22 PM
I talked with Mr Bowlen today. He told me the entire Cutler vs McDaniels ordeal was made up with the sole intent of giving SoCalBronco a stroke.




Pat won, It has worked and SoCal will never be the same again

I haven't had a stroke...............yet. :)

Rabb
03-17-2009, 08:23 PM
I talked with Mr Bowlen today. He told me the entire Cutler vs McDaniels ordeal was made up with the sole intent of giving SoCalBronco a stroke.




Pat won, It has worked and SoCal will never be the same again

Joe Theismann?

TonyR
03-17-2009, 08:26 PM
...and hires a 32 yr old head coach......who was only a QB coach.........most recently for mr. Cassel.


Just to clarify, McDaniels was the OC in NE unofficially starting in 2005, and officially starting in 2006. So Belichik made a ~27 year old Tom Brady's position coach in 2004, and let him start calling the plays in 2005. I think that probably says something about the young man's abilities. To put a young man in a postion of that stature he must have been very impressive. Some of you act like he's just a water boy. Meanwhile he's been on the coaching staff of the winningest team in the league for the last ~8 years. 4 Super Bowls, 3 Super Bowl wins.

broncosteven
03-17-2009, 08:26 PM
They couldn't have been telling the truth when they admitted they lied.

"We came late to the dance"

I think the issue is not that they Initiated trade talkes but that MickyD said he came to Denver to work with Cutler, then after they were approached with the 1st call about a trade for Cutler they hid it from Cutler, lied to him, then were busted when the media found out before Jay.

If MickyD would have come out and said Hey, we listened just to see what your value was rather than say NO ONE IS UNTRADEABLE then this would not be an issue that MickyD feels needs fixing.

TonyR
03-17-2009, 08:28 PM
They couldn't have been telling the truth when they admitted they lied.

"We came late to the dance"

Well, to be fair, that can be contextually interpreted several different ways. For example, "got involved in talks regarding offers for Jay Cutler involving Matt Cassel late in the game". In this translation, are they lying?

broncosteven
03-17-2009, 08:29 PM
Just to clarify, McDaniels was the OC in NE unofficially starting in 2005, and officially starting in 2006. So Belichik made a ~27 year old Tom Brady's position coach in 2004, and let him start calling the plays in 2005. I think that probably says something about the young man's abilities. To put a young man in a postion of that stature he must have been very impressive. Some of you act like he's just a water boy. Meanwhile he's been on the coaching staff of the winningest team in the league for the last ~8 years. 4 Super Bowls, 3 Super Bowl wins.

He was not offically calling plays until the 2006 season, there is disputes as to who was calling plays in 2005.

I think that young man may be a very good OC but has not seen enough in his 3 seasons at OC to be a great HC. He will probably learn on our dime, get fired after a couple years then compile what he did wrong and appy it to his next gig and be a Stud.

The way he started out here just shows his inexperience.

Plus the fact that they have been rumored in 2 trades that did not go through does not bode well for his abilty to get what he wants done. I'm just saying...

TonyR
03-17-2009, 08:31 PM
I think the issue is not that they Initiated trade talkes but that MickyD said he came to Denver to work with Cutler, then after they were approached with the 1st call about a trade for Cutler they hid it from Cutler, lied to him, then were busted when the media found out before Jay.

If MickyD would have come out and said Hey, we listened just to see what your value was rather than say NO ONE IS UNTRADEABLE then this would not be an issue that MickyD feels needs fixing.

I agree. But one can also understand why he would want to keep this from Jay, particularly after seeing how Jay reacted to this information.

It's like when a woman asks you "do I look fat in these pants?" Even if she does you have to lie, right? Just to be clear, Jay is the woman in this example.

broncosteven
03-17-2009, 08:31 PM
Well, to be fair, that can be contextually interpreted several different ways. For example, "got involved in talks regarding offers for Jay Cutler involving Matt Cassel late in the game". In this translation, are they lying?

At some point they told Jay they were not talking about trading him, then the media broke the story that they were. they lied to his face.

broncosteven
03-17-2009, 08:32 PM
I agree. But one can also understand why he would want to keep this from Jay, particularly after seeing how Jay reacted to this information.

It's like when a woman asks you "do I look fat in these pants?" Even if she does you have to lie, right? Just to be clear, Jay is the woman in this example.

If you talked to a woman about having one sexual encounter then your wife found out, what do you think would happen?

Jay is wrong but he is not the only one at fault.

SoCalBronco
03-17-2009, 08:32 PM
I think the issue is not that they Initiated trade talkes but that MickyD said he came to Denver to work with Cutler, then after they were approached with the 1st call about a trade for Cutler they hid it from Cutler, lied to him, then were busted when the media found out before Jay.

If MickyD would have come out and said Hey, we listened just to see what your value was rather than say NO ONE IS UNTRADEABLE then this would not be an issue that MickyD feels needs fixing.

If only Gene was our GM, we probably wouldn't have had even the slightest issue.

DrFate
03-17-2009, 08:32 PM
Well, to be fair, that can be contextually interpreted several different ways. For example, "got involved in talks regarding offers for Jay Cutler involving Matt Cassel late in the game". In this translation, are they lying?

People can spin anything if they try hard enough.

The more that comes to light, the more it looks like the HC wanted to replace Cutler with Cassel. I just finished listening to Bill Simmons podcast - and these guys are basically speaking it as established fact. It is growing.

Now if someone wants to make the case that the coach can trade whomever, whenever - go ahead. From where I sit, Sparky tried to get Cassel and wanted to move Cutler out. And then lied to Cutler about that fact.

elsid13
03-17-2009, 08:32 PM
Just to clarify, McDaniels was the OC in NE unofficially starting in 2005, and officially starting in 2006. So Belichik made a ~27 year old Tom Brady's position coach in 2004, and let him start calling the plays in 2005. I think that probably says something about the young man's abilities. To put a young man in a postion of that stature he must have been very impressive. Some of you act like he's just a water boy. Meanwhile he's been on the coaching staff of the winningest team in the league for the last ~8 years. 4 Super Bowls, 3 Super Bowl wins.

There is major difference in being a position coach or coordinator and being the head coach. There been lot of great coordinators that couldn't hack it as head coaches. Bolwen hired him to be the HC and looks to me McDaniels still afraid to give up his old role as QB coach and OC.

SoCalBronco
03-17-2009, 08:35 PM
Well, to be fair, that can be contextually interpreted several different ways.

No, it really can't.

DrFate
03-17-2009, 08:36 PM
No, it really can't.

Some people see what they want to, SoCal. As more information comes out, it just gets harder and harder for these poster to continue the denials without resorting to word games.

I just wonder if Bowlen knew that Sparky wanted to replace Cutler when he hired him.

PaintballCLE
03-17-2009, 08:37 PM
They couldn't have been telling the truth when they admitted they lied.

"We came late to the dance"

that can also be taken as "the other teams were working out details with eachother, but we were the last ones to know that anything was even brewing

SoCalBronco
03-17-2009, 08:43 PM
that can also be taken as "the other teams were working out details with eachother, but we were the last ones to know that anything was even brewing

No.....that would have been "the dance came late to us" not "we came late to the dance".

Try again.

Keep bending over backwards to try and slither around the most obvious of things. We finally have a clear statement and you people won't accept it.

broncosteven
03-17-2009, 08:43 PM
that can also be taken as "the other teams were working out details with eachother, but we were the last ones to know that anything was even brewing

But Cutler found out, was told nothing was going on only to find out from media that it was true then was told no one is untradeable.

I wanted to believe MickyD but the longer it goes on and the fact that no one offered an olive branch after lying to him coming out with Quotes like "I'll take care of it" I cannot let it go.

MickyD was wrong, he should have said we made a mistake, we will work it out internally, we play to win the game and it would have been a non issue.

PaintballCLE
03-17-2009, 08:49 PM
No.....that would have been "the dance came late to us" not "we came late to the dance".

Try again.

Keep bending over backwards to try and slither around the most obvious of things. We finally have a clear statement and you people won't accept it.

the coaches/Gm are hired to make the team better.........if they felt it would have made the team better.......then so be it.

Do you see other players in the league crying because the team entertained trades about them? give me a break

SoCalBronco
03-17-2009, 08:54 PM
the coaches/Gm are hired to make the team better.........if they felt it would have made the team better.......then so be it.

Do you see other players in the league crying because the team entertained trades about them? give me a break

2 Issues

1. Ability to Evaluate Talent- It is without dispute that Cutler is superior to Cassel. That you WANT Cassel suggests either you are a poor talent evaluator and/or you let familiarity take a bigger role than talent.

2. It's not whether he has the power to do things to make them better. Its that he misrepresented himself to Jay (and everyone). He's now estopped from demanding that others act in good faith. He didn't, so he can STFU and STFD. It's a simple matter of waiver and estoppel.

Drek
03-17-2009, 09:20 PM
There is major difference in being a position coach or coordinator and being the head coach. There been lot of great coordinators that couldn't hack it as head coaches. Bolwen hired him to be the HC and looks to me McDaniels still afraid to give up his old role as QB coach and OC.

Kinda like how Shanahan didn't give up running the offense when he first came to town?

What McDaniels was trying to do in this whole situation was make the right head coach move. He's laid it out plain as day for anyone who wants to know. They started getting calls for Cutler, so they followed up to see what Cassel would cost. By the time any real specifics were even being thrown around New England was ready to **** or get off the pot and made the deal with KC.

McDaniels didn't seem to think it was that big of a deal. He looked at making a slight downgrade at QB (to one he was familiar with) in order to add picks to fix the other holes (primarily on defense) that his team has. Cutler apprently doesn't get that, and is making flimsy at best connections between McDaniels saying he greatly looked forward to coaching him, and then considering a trade he never expected to be viable, as somehow telling a massive cover up lie that they've been perpetuating on Jay from the very day McDaniels took over the team.

In short, either Jay has a massive persecution complex or he's just looking for a reason to force his way out. I'm guessing (and for his sake hoping) the later.

theAPAOps5
03-17-2009, 09:21 PM
I know they are telling the truth.

PaintballCLE
03-17-2009, 09:24 PM
I know they are telling the truth.

lets mark the calander folks...Apa and I agree on something! ROFL!

TonyR
03-17-2009, 09:25 PM
In short, either Jay has a massive persecution complex or he's just looking for a reason to force his way out. I'm guessing (and for his sake hoping) the later.

Exactly. I'll never understand why this is so difficult for some to understand, and why the are making such a drama out of it. Just like their boy crush Jay Cutler...

theAPAOps5
03-17-2009, 09:27 PM
lets mark the calander folks...Apa and I agree on something! ROFL!

Oh wait you started this thread. They are wrong you stupid dummy head.

TonyR
03-17-2009, 09:27 PM
Some people see what they want to, SoCal. As more information comes out, it just gets harder and harder for these poster to continue the denials without resorting to word games.


Sounds like you have it all figured out. Except for the fact that the more information that comes out the more it looks like this is a Bus Cook orchestrated drama to get Jay Cutler a new contract, if not by the Broncos then from another team. But you keep right on defending the drama queen!

PaintballCLE
03-17-2009, 09:29 PM
Oh wait you started this thread. They are wrong you stupid dummy head.

THATS IT! I am going to have my staff impound your vehicle now........

theAPAOps5
03-17-2009, 09:30 PM
Sounds like you have it all figured out. Except for the fact that the more information that comes out the more it looks like this is a Bus Cook orchestrated drama to get Jay Cutler a new contract, if not by the Broncos then from another team. But you keep right on defending the drama queen!

Not a new contract he wanted out period.

DrFate
03-17-2009, 09:34 PM
Sounds like you have it all figured out. Except for the fact that the more information that comes out the more it looks like this is a Bus Cook orchestrated drama to get Jay Cutler a new contract, if not by the Broncos then from another team. But you keep right on defending the drama queen!

The more information that comes out the more evidence that Sparky lied about the trade. I don't blame a guy for being pissed his coach lied to him.

PaintballCLE
03-17-2009, 09:36 PM
The more information that comes out the more evidence that Sparky lied about the trade. I don't blame a guy for being pissed his coach lied to him.

i still don't think they lied.........but for the sake of the arguement lets say that they did..........its one thing to be pissed, but its another to throw a tantrum..........Jay needs to grow up.

theAPAOps5
03-17-2009, 09:36 PM
Why his agent asked for one when Bates was fired. So he fielded an offer turned it down and Cutler got mad. He can't win with some of you people.

mwill07
03-17-2009, 09:39 PM
Why his agent asked for one when Bates was fired. So he fielded an offer turned it down and Cutler got mad. He can't win with some of you people.

How to think like Jay Cutler: start with a man, and take away reason and accountability.

PaintballCLE
03-17-2009, 09:41 PM
How to think like Jay Cutler: start with a man, and take away reason and accountability.

and add Kool-aid..........oh wait that has sugar nevermind

DenverBrit
03-17-2009, 10:13 PM
i still don't think they lied.........but for the sake of the arguement lets say that they did..........its one thing to be pissed, but its another to throw a tantrum..........Jay needs to grow up.

That's it in a nutshell.

So McDaniels made a rookie move that didn't pan out.

Jay, the team leader, needs to lead not demand a trade in a tantrum driven drama, encouraged by his commission motivated agent, who's reputation follows him to the crime scene.

Jay has diminished his trade value, and ironically is now demanding the very trade that triggered his tirade.

PaintballCLE
03-18-2009, 08:03 AM
That's it in a nutshell.

So McDaniels made a rookie move that didn't pan out.

Jay, the team leader, needs to lead not demand a trade in a tantrum driven drama, encouraged by his commission motivated agent, who's reputation follows him to the crime scene.

Jay has diminished his trade value, and ironically is now demanding the very trade that triggered his tirade.

lol i do think thats kinda ironic.........

He gets pissed because we might trade him, so in return he demands a trade......

Circle Orange
03-18-2009, 11:04 AM
How dare you bring another perspective into this argument?

Don't you know all bronco management does is lie?
Don't you know Jay's more talented with more upside than any qb that ever existed in the history of the nfl AND college football?
Don't you know McDaniels is a (insert name here)?
Don't you know Jay is human with feelings?
Don't you know Bus Cook is an angel?

Is everyone crazy? ;D

elsid13
03-18-2009, 03:33 PM
Kinda like how Shanahan didn't give up running the offense when he first came to town?

What McDaniels was trying to do in this whole situation was make the right head coach move. He's laid it out plain as day for anyone who wants to know. They started getting calls for Cutler, so they followed up to see what Cassel would cost. By the time any real specifics were even being thrown around New England was ready to **** or get off the pot and made the deal with KC.

McDaniels didn't seem to think it was that big of a deal. He looked at making a slight downgrade at QB (to one he was familiar with) in order to add picks to fix the other holes (primarily on defense) that his team has. Cutler apprently doesn't get that, and is making flimsy at best connections between McDaniels saying he greatly looked forward to coaching him, and then considering a trade he never expected to be viable, as somehow telling a massive cover up lie that they've been perpetuating on Jay from the very day McDaniels took over the team.

In short, either Jay has a massive persecution complex or he's just looking for a reason to force his way out. I'm guessing (and for his sake hoping) the later.

Remember Shanahan brought a Kubes and Gibbs to help develop the system and help. Right now it appear McDaniels according to his own media reports, is only one teaching everyone his system, going to be the QB coach and the call the plays. From the outside there doesn't appear to be any delegation going on.