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BabyTO
03-17-2009, 12:08 PM
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80c4760d

This is what McDaniels is looking for. A QB with ties to the Patriots. He wants "his" guy at QB, not just any quarterback, we could just keep Cutler if that were the case. He wants somebody who understands how the Patriots offense works, or somebody who has the tools, leadership etc. to thrive in that type of offense. Somebody like Tom Brady, Matt Cassel. Charlie Weis created Tom Brady and he did the same thing in college with Brady Quinn, so this would make a lot of sense. He even said that Brady Quinn could be the next Tom Brady. The guy from NFLdraftcountdown.com said Brady Quinn was the best college QB he has scouted in the last 10 years.

And McDaniels stated that he's not gonna take draft picks in return for Cutler, he's not interested in a rookie QB. None of those guys fit in his offense anyway. But the Browns have two Quarterbacks. They have a very early 1st round pick, they have two (!) 2nd round picks. They also have DT Shaun Rogers who seems to be pissed right now, it sounds like he wants out. So there's a lot of ammunition, this deal could happen. And notice how the Browns gave up Kellen Winslow a few weeks ago. Sheffler is on the trading block. Huh? Huh?! :~ohyah!:
Maybe this whole thing makes just too much sense. The Browns need a TE, they also want to trade one of their QB's. We have a QB and a TE on the trading block and we're looking for a QB with ties to the Patriots (Quinn).

Is there another QB out there that you would rather have over Cutler? We're talking about AVAILABLE QB's right now. I don't think so. Even the guys that are not available, none of them have any ties to the Patriots.

We give up: QB Cutler, TE Sheffler
Browns give up: QB Brady Quinn, their 2nd round pick (37th overall), DT Shaun Rogers

OR

We give up: QB Cutler, TE Sheffler, 1st round pick (12th overall)
Browns give up: QB Quinn, 2nd round pick, 1st round pick (5th overall)

Something like that, it's not 100% accurate obviously. Maybe the Browns will have to add more picks etc. who knows. But then we pick up BJ Raji at #5 and build a similar defense the Pats have with NT Wilfork in the middle.

oubronco
03-17-2009, 12:10 PM
Hell to the NO on Quinn

garandman
03-17-2009, 12:11 PM
He probably has the biggest upside to any other QB out there... I'll admit he played pretty well against us last year, sorry I forgot that doesnt mean much

scttgrd
03-17-2009, 12:11 PM
He sat on the bench while Derek Anderson was playing. He was given every chance to win the job, and couln't. Yeah I think he's the guy we need.

socalorado
03-17-2009, 12:12 PM
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80c4760d

This is what McDaniels is looking for. A QB with ties to the Patriots. He wants "his" guy at QB, not just any quarterback, we could just keep Cutler if that were the case. He wants somebody who understands how the Patriots offense works, or somebody who has the tools, leadership etc. to thrive in that type of offense. Somebody like Tom Brady, Matt Cassel. Charlie Weis created Tom Brady and he did the same thing in college with Brady Quinn, so this would make a lot of sense. He even said that Brady Quinn could be the next Tom Brady. The guy from NFLdraftcountdown.com said Brady Quinn was the best college QB he has scouted in the last 10 years.

And McDaniels stated that he's not gonna take draft picks in return for Cutler, he's not interested in a rookie QB. None of those guys fit in his offense anyway. But the Browns have two Quarterbacks. They have a very early 1st round pick, they have two (!) 2nd round picks. They also have DT Shaun Rogers who seems to be pissed right now, it sounds like he wants out. So there's a lot of ammunition, this deal could happen. And notice how the Browns gave up Kellen Winslow a few weeks ago. Sheffler is on the trading block. Huh? Huh?! :~ohyah!:
Maybe this whole thing makes just too much sense. The Browns need a TE, they also want to trade one of their QB's. We have a QB and a TE on the trading block and we're looking for a QB with ties to the Patriots (Quinn).

Is there another QB out there that you would rather have over Cutler? We're talking about AVAILABLE QB's right now. I don't think so. Even the guys that are not available, none of them have any ties to the Patriots.

We give up: QB Cutler, TE Sheffler
Browns give up: QB Brady Quinn, their 2nd round pick (37th overall), DT Shaun Rogers

OR

We give up: QB Cutler, TE Sheffler, 1st round pick (12th overall)
Browns give up: QB Quinn, 2nd round pick, 1st round pick (5th overall)

Something like that, it's not 100% accurate obviously. Maybe the Browns will have to add more picks etc. who knows. But then we pick up BJ Raji at #5 and build a similar defense the Pats have with NT Wilfork in the middle.
Your a little late. Internets is cool!!
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...g-and-2-drafts



This is unconfirmed, however an inside source says a trade that will bring Jay Cutler to Washington is almost complete.

The leak came roughly about 1 hour ago. Negotiations between Cutler’s agent, Pat Bowlen, Daniel Snyder, and the Cleveland Browns management have been ongoing for a few days and all sides seem to be happy.

The deal would see Jay Cutler, Tony Scheffler and Cleveland’s 3rd round pick going to Washington.

Jason Campbell and Chris Cooley Going to Cleveland and one of Denver’s 5th round picks.

Brady Quinn going from Cleveland to Denver and LaRon Landry from Washington will be going to Denver. And we thought that the Bailey-Portis trade was big. Our source says that teams will announce the deal at 5pm this evening.

lex
03-17-2009, 12:12 PM
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80c4760d

This is what McDaniels is looking for. A QB with ties to the Patriots. He wants "his" guy at QB, not just any quarterback, we could just keep Cutler if that were the case. He wants somebody who understands how the Patriots offense works, or somebody who has the tools, leadership etc. to thrive in that type of offense. Somebody like Tom Brady, Matt Cassel. Charlie Weis created Tom Brady and he did the same thing in college with Brady Quinn, so this would make a lot of sense. He even said that Brady Quinn could be the next Tom Brady. The guy from NFLdraftcountdown.com said Brady Quinn was the best college QB he has scouted in the last 10 years.

And McDaniels stated that he's not gonna take draft picks in return for Cutler, he's not interested in a rookie QB. None of those guys fit in his offense anyway. But the Browns have two Quarterbacks. They have a very early 1st round pick, they have two (!) 2nd round picks. They also have DT Shaun Rogers who seems to be pissed right now, it sounds like he wants out. So there's a lot of ammunition, this deal could happen. And notice how the Browns gave up Kellen Winslow a few weeks ago. Sheffler is on the trading block. Huh? Huh?! :~ohyah!:
Maybe this whole thing makes just too much sense. The Browns need a TE, they also want to trade one of their QB's. We have a QB and a TE on the trading block and we're looking for a QB with ties to the Patriots (Quinn).

Is there another QB out there that you would rather have over Cutler? We're talking about AVAILABLE QB's right now. I don't think so. Even the guys that are not available, none of them have any ties to the Patriots.

We give up: QB Cutler, TE Sheffler
Browns give up: QB Brady Quinn, their 2nd round pick (37th overall), DT Shaun Rogers

OR

We give up: QB Cutler, TE Sheffler, 1st round pick (12th overall)
Browns give up: QB Quinn, 2nd round pick, 1st round pick (5th overall)

Something like that, it's not 100% accurate obviously. Maybe the Browns will have to add more picks etc. who knows. But then we pick up BJ Raji at #5 and build a similar defense the Pats have with NT Wilfork in the middle.


Awesome hire, Pat. Well done.

oubronco
03-17-2009, 12:13 PM
Your a little late. Internets is cool!!
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...g-and-2-drafts



This is unconfirmed, however an inside source says a trade that will bring Jay Cutler to Washington is almost complete.

The leak came roughly about 1 hour ago. Negotiations between Cutler’s agent, Pat Bowlen, Daniel Snyder, and the Cleveland Browns management have been ongoing for a few days and all sides seem to be happy.

The deal would see Jay Cutler, Tony Scheffler and Cleveland’s 3rd round pick going to Washington.

Jason Campbell and Chris Cooley Going to Cleveland and one of Denver’s 5th round picks.

Brady Quinn going from Cleveland to Denver and LaRon Landry from Washington will be going to Denver. And we thought that the Bailey-Portis trade was big. Our source says that teams will announce the deal at 5pm this evening.

OH please NO

TheElusiveKyleOrton
03-17-2009, 12:14 PM
Actually, he wasn't given the chance to beat out Anderson. Anderson was installed as the starter at the start of the season, and that was that. When he was well below-average, Quinn came in and played well before getting hurt.

If we can't have Cutler, my first choice would absolutely be Quinn.

barryr
03-17-2009, 12:14 PM
I'm not a Pat fan to say the least, in fact I root for them to lose every game they play, but bottom line is 4 Super Bowls the last 7 years with a philosophy on offense this coach wants to employ here.

If Cutler wants to part of that, then that speaks volumes.

socalorado
03-17-2009, 12:14 PM
OH please NO

Oh i'm gonna spread this BS and watch it spread like Wildfire here!

MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WolfpackGuy
03-17-2009, 12:15 PM
He can't even beat out Derek Anderson.
Hell, even the Ravens released him with all their previous QB troubles.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
03-17-2009, 12:15 PM
Your a little late. Internets is cool!!
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...g-and-2-drafts



This is unconfirmed, however an inside source says a trade that will bring Jay Cutler to Washington is almost complete.

The leak came roughly about 1 hour ago. Negotiations between Cutler’s agent, Pat Bowlen, Daniel Snyder, and the Cleveland Browns management have been ongoing for a few days and all sides seem to be happy.

The deal would see Jay Cutler, Tony Scheffler and Cleveland’s 3rd round pick going to Washington.

Jason Campbell and Chris Cooley Going to Cleveland and one of Denver’s 5th round picks.

Brady Quinn going from Cleveland to Denver and LaRon Landry from Washington will be going to Denver. And we thought that the Bailey-Portis trade was big. Our source says that teams will announce the deal at 5pm this evening.

Sure is! 'Specially when the link doesn't work.

/rolleyes.

oubronco
03-17-2009, 12:15 PM
Oh i'm gonna spread this BS and watch it spread like Wildfire here!

MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GET TO IT Hilarious!

lex
03-17-2009, 12:16 PM
Your a little late. Internets is cool!!
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...g-and-2-drafts



This is unconfirmed, however an inside source says a trade that will bring Jay Cutler to Washington is almost complete.

The leak came roughly about 1 hour ago. Negotiations between Cutler’s agent, Pat Bowlen, Daniel Snyder, and the Cleveland Browns management have been ongoing for a few days and all sides seem to be happy.

The deal would see Jay Cutler, Tony Scheffler and Cleveland’s 3rd round pick going to Washington.

Jason Campbell and Chris Cooley Going to Cleveland and one of Denver’s 5th round picks.

Brady Quinn going from Cleveland to Denver and LaRon Landry from Washington will be going to Denver. And we thought that the Bailey-Portis trade was big. Our source says that teams will announce the deal at 5pm this evening.


According to Pat Kirwan, the value of Cutler is 2 firsts and a player. Here we would be getting one first (Laron Landry), a player (Brady Quinn)...but we're missing a first. Plus theres no consideration for Scheffler in addition to us giving up our 5th.

This is a horrible deal. We're getting soaked in this.

Rulon Velvet Jones
03-17-2009, 12:16 PM
Funny how the Bleacher Report mess was already moved to the 'humor' section.

Pseudofool
03-17-2009, 12:16 PM
Cutler is clearly worth nothing less than Quinn, Landry, Rogers, and three first day picks. Several teams might have to settle for partial ownership of Cutler's rights, but I'm confident the FO can get r' done.

scttgrd
03-17-2009, 12:18 PM
Awesome hire, Pat. Well done.

We hired Rich Kotite, it's going to be interesting to say the least.

supermanhr9
03-17-2009, 12:18 PM
three cheers for old notre dame!!!! Bring in the Fighting Irish Alumn, much better than a Vanderbilt wussy whiny boy.

socalorado
03-17-2009, 12:19 PM
Sure is! 'Specially when the link doesn't work.

/rolleyes.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/140554-jayc-to-dc-3-way-trade-has-5-players-moving-and-2-drafts

TheElusiveKyleOrton
03-17-2009, 12:19 PM
We hired Rich Kotite, it's going to be interesting to say the least.

/rolleyes

And you know this after watching him coach exactly zero games? That crystal ball of yours must be amazing.

socalorado
03-17-2009, 12:20 PM
According to Pat Kirwan, the value of Cutler is 2 firsts and a player. Here we would be getting one first (Laron Landry), a player (Brady Quinn)...but we're missing a first. Plus theres no consideration for Scheffler in addition to us giving up our 5th.

This is a horrible deal. We're getting soaked in this.

Lex, you should know better than to believe this crap. It was posted cause the guy who made this thread had all kinds of trades and ideas for Quinn, so i posted it. Jeez, lex.

Rulon Velvet Jones
03-17-2009, 12:22 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/140554-jayc-to-dc-3-way-trade-has-5-players-moving-and-2-drafts

It's still under the 'humor' section. These little kiddies should learn not to write things unless they're confirmed.

Kaylore
03-17-2009, 12:23 PM
"Now i'm done!":drown:

scttgrd
03-17-2009, 12:24 PM
One of the worst defenses, and his first signing is a long snapper. The he proceeds to sign more CB's and one good safety. Now he seems hell bent to find his QB eqivalent of a snuggy. Yeah great job so far.

Rohirrim
03-17-2009, 12:44 PM
I wonder why Shaun Smith isn't part of the deal?

Is Brady bringing his "partner?"

No that there's anything wrong with that...

broncofan
03-17-2009, 12:54 PM
He sat on the bench while Derek Anderson was playing. He was given every chance to win the job, and couln't. Yeah I think he's the guy we need.

Quinn couldn't beat out Anderson as a rookie with D.A. playing out of his mind and ultimately making the Pro Bowl. Quinn actually did take his job this past year but a broken finger prematurely ended his season.

We already have the QB we need...Jay Cutler. As I've said, if he <b>must</b> be dealt, this trade has to be considered as it could be one of the few around that can net us a potential stud QB in return.

barryr
03-17-2009, 12:56 PM
One of the worst defenses, and his first signing is a long snapper. The he proceeds to sign more CB's and one good safety. Now he seems hell bent to find his QB eqivalent of a snuggy. Yeah great job so far.


Yep, teams always sign players for their biggest needs first. Way to be on top of things there. :notworthy

broncofan2438
03-17-2009, 12:58 PM
One of the worst defenses, and his first signing is a long snapper. The he proceeds to sign more CB's and one good safety. Now he seems hell bent to find his QB eqivalent of a snuggy. Yeah great job so far.

Thats what I say.....great job McStupid......get ready to be ran outta Denver by the fans

worm
03-17-2009, 01:00 PM
No way Cleveland does this trade with Denver. Eric Mangini is only interested in signing JETS players. (I think he has already signed 4\5 Jets players this year).

Denver would need to do a four way trade. Sending players to NYJ, who sends players to CLE, who sends some to NE or then trades with us.

This way the Beliciples can sign players from their former team thereby fulfilling their "Just add water" recipe mix they got from Coach God.

atomicbloke
03-17-2009, 01:04 PM
Why do I keep getting nightmares of a future AFCCG at Invesco, where late in the 4th quarter, the Browns are backed up at their 2, and Cutler drives them 98 yards for the game winning touchdown......

BroncoMan4ever
03-17-2009, 01:04 PM
We give up: QB Cutler, TE Sheffler
Browns give up: QB Brady Quinn, their 2nd round pick (37th overall), DT Shaun Rogers

OR

We give up: QB Cutler, TE Sheffler, 1st round pick (12th overall)
Browns give up: QB Quinn, 2nd round pick, 1st round pick (5th overall)
Something like that, it's not 100% accurate obviously. Maybe the Browns will have to add more picks etc. who knows. But then we pick up BJ Raji at #5 and build a similar defense the Pats have with NT Wilfork in the middle.

are you nuts, the Browns are raping us in those scenarios. realistically we could probably pull off a deal with Detroit that would get us number 1 and 20 and possibly another mid round pick or a player for a franchise QB alone. and you are tossing in Scheff as a bonus to Cleveland. that would be a historically bad trade sending 2 players one of which is a franchise QB for a QB the Browns don't want, a 2nd rounder and switching of the 1st round picks. that should say we give them Cutler they give us Quinn, their 1st and 2nd.

Tombstone RJ
03-17-2009, 01:13 PM
Your a little late. Internets is cool!!
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...g-and-2-drafts



This is unconfirmed, however an inside source says a trade that will bring Jay Cutler to Washington is almost complete.

The leak came roughly about 1 hour ago. Negotiations between Cutler’s agent, Pat Bowlen, Daniel Snyder, and the Cleveland Browns management have been ongoing for a few days and all sides seem to be happy.

The deal would see Jay Cutler, Tony Scheffler and Cleveland’s 3rd round pick going to Washington.

Jason Campbell and Chris Cooley Going to Cleveland and one of Denver’s 5th round picks.

Brady Quinn going from Cleveland to Denver and LaRon Landry from Washington will be going to Denver. And we thought that the Bailey-Portis trade was big. Our source says that teams will announce the deal at 5pm this evening.

I don't think that is nearly enough for Cutler. We need Quinn, Landry and another pick.

BabyTO
03-17-2009, 01:15 PM
So you're saying they should give up their 5th overall pick, Brady Quinn and their 2nd round pick which basically is another 1st round pick? Why would they do that?

Cassel went for a 2nd round pick and we were close to trading for him (Cutler vs Cassel). So how is Cutler now worth 5 1st round picks and 10 2nd round picks? Who's gonna give up that much? The Browns want a 1st round pick for Quinn in return, so thats his value. You add in a 2nd round pick (what the Chiefs paid for Cassel) and Shaun Rogers who is easily worth another 2nd round pick. We would get "our" QB in return, another 2nd round pick and a guy to clog the middle in our 3-4 defense. How is that not enough for a guy like Cutler?

BabyTO
03-17-2009, 01:17 PM
Your a little late. Internets is cool!!
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...g-and-2-drafts



This is unconfirmed, however an inside source says a trade that will bring Jay Cutler to Washington is almost complete.

The leak came roughly about 1 hour ago. Negotiations between Cutler’s agent, Pat Bowlen, Daniel Snyder, and the Cleveland Browns management have been ongoing for a few days and all sides seem to be happy.

The deal would see Jay Cutler, Tony Scheffler and Cleveland’s 3rd round pick going to Washington.

Jason Campbell and Chris Cooley Going to Cleveland and one of Denver’s 5th round picks.

Brady Quinn going from Cleveland to Denver and LaRon Landry from Washington will be going to Denver. And we thought that the Bailey-Portis trade was big. Our source says that teams will announce the deal at 5pm this evening.

The link doesn't work but who knows, that would be huge. Let's wait and see.

socalorado
03-17-2009, 01:17 PM
I don't think that is nearly enough for Cutler. We need Quinn, Landry and another pick.

Dude! its bogus! But now that you mentioned it,
How about Quinn, Landry and Rogers?

socalorado
03-17-2009, 01:18 PM
The link doesn't work but who knows, that would be huge. Let's wait and see.

I reposted the link

RunSilentRunDeep
03-17-2009, 01:25 PM
Your a little late. Internets is cool!!
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...g-and-2-drafts



This is unconfirmed, however an inside source says a trade that will bring Jay Cutler to Washington is almost complete.

The leak came roughly about 1 hour ago. Negotiations between Cutler’s agent, Pat Bowlen, Daniel Snyder, and the Cleveland Browns management have been ongoing for a few days and all sides seem to be happy.

The deal would see Jay Cutler, Tony Scheffler and Cleveland’s 3rd round pick going to Washington.

Jason Campbell and Chris Cooley Going to Cleveland and one of Denver’s 5th round picks.

Brady Quinn going from Cleveland to Denver and LaRon Landry from Washington will be going to Denver. And we thought that the Bailey-Portis trade was big. Our source says that teams will announce the deal at 5pm this evening.

Aren't there rules against this?

DBBBSBS
03-17-2009, 01:35 PM
I dont mind quinn and landry. But i would like rogers to come as part of the deal as well.. otherwise this is a no go. Or need that 5th pick overall of cleveland's

You are talking about sending a pick cutler and scheff... No f***ing way

FireFly
03-17-2009, 01:58 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/140554-jayc-to-dc-3-way-trade-has-5-players-moving-and-2-drafts

You see now, posting this was just mean. The moment I see a link, I don't even need to click it - I just believe it for truth - gullible I know.

I was like "oh, man what a crappy deal! I really do hate this new regime!"

I feel better now that its BS

broncofan
03-17-2009, 02:32 PM
Lol...clicked on a link titled "Breaking News: Vikings Near Trade For Saints' Quarterback Drew Brees" and got this...

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/140648-breaking-news-vikings-near-trade-for-saints-quarterback-drew-brees

...I've never even heard of this site before. Is it legit for anything?

crowebomber
03-17-2009, 02:40 PM
Lol...clicked on a link titled "Breaking News: Vikings Near Trade For Saints' Quarterback Drew Brees" and got this...

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/140648-breaking-news-vikings-near-trade-for-saints-quarterback-drew-brees

...I've never even heard of this site before. Is it legit for anything?

This is from their site:

What's Bleacher Report?
Bleacher Report is an open source sports network where you can write your own sports articles and read columns about your favorite teams. With hundreds of original editorials published every day, there's plenty to satisfy even the most hardcore sports fan.

So, basically Spider could write that Cutler is being traded for a truckload of cattle and it would be printed on their site.

broncofan
03-17-2009, 03:10 PM
This is from their site:

What's Bleacher Report?
Bleacher Report is an open source sports network where you can write your own sports articles and read columns about your favorite teams. With hundreds of original editorials published every day, there's plenty to satisfy even the most hardcore sports fan.

So, basically Spider could write that Cutler is being traded for a truckload of cattle and it would be printed on their site.

lmao...I see.

Archer81
03-17-2009, 03:14 PM
Thats what I say.....great job McStupid......get ready to be ran outta Denver by the fans



You should probably put fan in quotes when referring to yourself.


:Broncos:

BabyTO
03-17-2009, 03:15 PM
Basically the same stuff i wrote, from a Clowns fan perspective:

http://www.cleveland.com/brownsbeat/index.ssf/2009/03/tony_grossis_blog_cleveland_br.html

oubronco
03-17-2009, 03:16 PM
Quinn couldn't beat out Anderson as a rookie with D.A. playing out of his mind and ultimately making the Pro Bowl. Quinn actually did take his job this past year but a broken finger prematurely ended his season.

We already have the QB we need...Jay Cutler. As I've said, if he <b>must</b> be dealt, this trade has to be considered as it could be one of the few around that can net us a potential stud QB in return.

ROFL! Hilarious!

Broncos4tw
03-17-2009, 03:17 PM
One of the worst defenses, and his first signing is a long snapper. The he proceeds to sign more CB's and one good safety. Now he seems hell bent to find his QB eqivalent of a snuggy. Yeah great job so far.

Yea.. it's pretty funny when our offense was in the top 5, and our defense second to last, that the first move he made was to entertain a trade for a pro bowl QB. Brilliant! :rofl:

Orange_Beard
03-17-2009, 03:22 PM
Please no Brady Qunn. please god noooooooo

I would rather have Jake back.

Archer81
03-17-2009, 03:37 PM
Yea.. it's pretty funny when our offense was in the top 5, and our defense second to last, that the first move he made was to entertain a trade for a pro bowl QB. Brilliant! :rofl:


Scoring offense was 16th...
Rushing offense was 12th...
Our TO ratio was -17...that was 16th in the AFC. (last for the short bus people)
Our offense had problems. Also, new coach, new scheme, new way to rate players. Sooner you adjust to that, the happier you will be in regards to sunday afternoons in the fall.


:Broncos:

NYBronc
03-17-2009, 03:51 PM
I reposted the link

It says (satire) at the top of the article.

Anyway the Browns don't even have a 3rd round pick this year.

Pony Boy
03-17-2009, 04:02 PM
Are Quinn and Campbell both "no-shows" now that they have been shopped around? Are they now both demanding to be traded?

scttgrd
03-17-2009, 04:21 PM
Have you heard anything from the Browns or Redskins that either are on the market? Have any other teams been calling asking about either? I don't think so.

Archer81
03-17-2009, 04:23 PM
Have you heard anything from the Browns or Redskins that either are on the market? Have any other teams been calling asking about either? I don't think so.


You asking Jesus or what?


:Broncos:

elsid13
03-17-2009, 04:30 PM
This is from their site:

What's Bleacher Report?
Bleacher Report is an open source sports network where you can write your own sports articles and read columns about your favorite teams. With hundreds of original editorials published every day, there's plenty to satisfy even the most hardcore sports fan.

So, basically Spider could write that Cutler is being traded for a truckload of cattle and it would be printed on their site.

Spider would only trade Cutler for unlimited access to Bea Arthur and naked pics of theDave

scttgrd
03-17-2009, 04:36 PM
You asking Jesus or what?


:Broncos:

If these teams were shopping them then word would get around and there might be interest. I see none on either account. On the other hand for the last two weeks that seems to be all we have heard from the Broncos.

oubronco
03-17-2009, 04:36 PM
Spider would only trade Cutler for unlimited access to Bea Arthur and naked pics of theDave

look out you got a throat punch coming ROFL!

Archer81
03-17-2009, 04:38 PM
naked pics of theDave...oh lord...


:Broncos:

elsid13
03-17-2009, 04:40 PM
naked pics of theDave...oh lord...


:Broncos:

I didn't say the pics were coming for your private stash.

Archer81
03-17-2009, 04:43 PM
I didn't say the pics were coming for your private stash.

Thank God. Those are very private and dear to my heart.


:Broncos:

Dagmar
03-17-2009, 05:21 PM
It says (satire) people.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/140554-jayc-to-dc-3-way-trade-has-5-players-moving-and-2-drafts

Drek
03-17-2009, 05:33 PM
To at least pull this thread somewhat back on a rational direction of discussion....

Brady Quinn would be an excellent QB here. I did a write up on how I rated him coming out of the draft a few years ago, which I feel has only been proven and substantiated by his brief chances to play in the NFL.

He's got good, not great arm strength, probably in the B+ to A- range (where Cutler is obviously an A+, a good comp would be that I'd give Tom Brady around a B, and put Peyton Manning in the same class as Quinn for arm strength).

He features very good touch on his throws and is accurate on deep balls. Also, when he misses he misses low, limiting turnover opportunities.

He's also got good pocket presence and real toughness in the pocket. His OL in college was pretty mediocre and there were many times they faced superior teams where Quinn took a dozen shots or more because he continues to step into his throws to complete his passes, regardless of pressure.

He's a good athlete with some solid mobility and timed speed as well.

He's solid across the board and very good at several things our new offense will call for regularly. If we can get him while at the same time moving Cutler for significant compensation, you'll see Denver looking very good from it not too far down the road.

Hercules Rockefeller
03-17-2009, 05:45 PM
We give up: QB Cutler, TE Sheffler
Browns give up: QB Brady Quinn, their 2nd round pick (37th overall), DT Shaun Rogers

OR

We give up: QB Cutler, TE Sheffler, 1st round pick (12th overall)
Browns give up: QB Quinn, 2nd round pick, 1st round pick (5th overall)


Just terrible.

Break either of those down into its pieces.

Cutler > (by a good degree) Quinn and their 2nd
Rogers > Scheffler (but not the same degree as the Cutler/Quinn scenario)

The 2nd one is by far the worst.

Cutler> Quinn and a 1st
1st and Scheffler > 2nd round pick

Try again. At no point should Denver be involving the 12th pick in a trade with Cleveland.

BabyTO
03-17-2009, 05:45 PM
Scott Wright from NFLdraftcountdown said Quinn is the best college QB he has ever scouted.

TDmvp
03-17-2009, 05:46 PM
Pls god make it stop ...Quinn ??? really ??? that dude is totally lame ...
http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/492/shootthedog.jpg

Wes Mantooth
03-17-2009, 05:48 PM
Actually, he wasn't given the chance to beat out Anderson. Anderson was installed as the starter at the start of the season, and that was that. When he was well below-average, Quinn came in and played well before getting hurt.

If we can't have Cutler, my first choice would absolutely be Quinn.

I'm sorry, but Anderson > Quinn.

And Anderson is not that good.

Dedhed
03-17-2009, 05:54 PM
So you're saying they should give up their 5th overall pick, Brady Quinn and their 2nd round pick which basically is another 1st round pick? Why would they do that?

Cassel went for a 2nd round pick and we were close to trading for him (Cutler vs Cassel). So how is Cutler now worth 5 1st round picks and 10 2nd round picks? Who's gonna give up that much? The Browns want a 1st round pick for Quinn in return, so thats his value. You add in a 2nd round pick (what the Chiefs paid for Cassel) and Shaun Rogers who is easily worth another 2nd round pick. We would get "our" QB in return, another 2nd round pick and a guy to clog the middle in our 3-4 defense. How is that not enough for a guy like Cutler?Are you really dumb enough to think that the trade discussed was Cassel for Cutler straight up?

BabyTO
03-17-2009, 05:55 PM
Pls god make it stop ...Quinn ??? really ??? that dude is totally lame ...
http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/492/shootthedog.jpg

What are you basing this on?

Dedhed
03-17-2009, 05:56 PM
The link doesn't work but who knows, that would be huge. Let's wait and see.

Yeah, umm, disregard my above inquiry. You've made it perfectly clear here.

BroncoBuff
03-17-2009, 06:05 PM
We give up: QB Cutler, TE Sheffler
Browns give up: QB Brady Quinn, their 2nd round pick (37th overall), DT Shaun Rogers

OR

We give up: QB Cutler, TE Sheffler, 1st round pick (12th overall)
Browns give up: QB Quinn, 2nd round pick, 1st round pick (5th overall).
Actually, any Browns trade should include Shaun Rogers. The relationship between Rogers and Eric Mangini is really insane stuff, they're like high school girls or something ... at one point, Rogers complained that Mangini "disrespected" him by walking past him in the weight room. So even though the Browns claim they don't wanna trade him, he's prolly available. And fresh off his 3rd Pro Bowl in 9 years. It'd be nice to have an elite 3-4 NT in his prime fall in our laps, eh?
.

BabyTO
03-17-2009, 06:07 PM
Just terrible.

Break either of those down into its pieces.

Cutler > (by a good degree) Quinn and their 2nd
Rogers > Scheffler (but not the same degree as the Cutler/Quinn scenario)

The 2nd one is by far the worst.

Cutler> Quinn and a 1st
1st and Scheffler > 2nd round pick

Try again. At no point should Denver be involving the 12th pick in a trade with Cleveland.

Cutler is not worth more than Quinn and their 2nd round pick (again, Cassel went for a 2nd, and Quinn to Cleveland is worth a 1st round pick). It's a fair deal. It's an early 2nd round pick, that's what pro bowlers get traded for in the NFL.

The way you break down the trade it doesn't make any sense.

"We give up: QB Cutler, TE Sheffler, 1st round pick (12th overall)
Browns give up: QB Quinn, 2nd round pick, 1st round pick (5th overall)"

1st CLE vs 1st DEN = very early 2nd round pick according to the value chart. That's what we're getting out of this.

So now you have:
Quinn + 2nd round pick (very early) + 2nd round pick (very early)
vs
Cutler, Sheffler

That's basically Quinn + two late 1st round picks for Cutler and Sheffler.

oubronco
03-17-2009, 06:08 PM
What are you basing this on?

we've all seen him play either in the pros or Notre Dame it's true he SUCKS

gyldenlove
03-17-2009, 06:08 PM
To at least pull this thread somewhat back on a rational direction of discussion....

Brady Quinn would be an excellent QB here. I did a write up on how I rated him coming out of the draft a few years ago, which I feel has only been proven and substantiated by his brief chances to play in the NFL.

He's got good, not great arm strength, probably in the B+ to A- range (where Cutler is obviously an A+, a good comp would be that I'd give Tom Brady around a B, and put Peyton Manning in the same class as Quinn for arm strength).

He features very good touch on his throws and is accurate on deep balls. Also, when he misses he misses low, limiting turnover opportunities.

He's also got good pocket presence and real toughness in the pocket. His OL in college was pretty mediocre and there were many times they faced superior teams where Quinn took a dozen shots or more because he continues to step into his throws to complete his passes, regardless of pressure.

He's a good athlete with some solid mobility and timed speed as well.

He's solid across the board and very good at several things our new offense will call for regularly. If we can get him while at the same time moving Cutler for significant compensation, you'll see Denver looking very good from it not too far down the road.

Quinns armstrengh may be about the same as Peyton Mannings, but Manning has better release and gets more zip on the ball and will deliver the deep ball quite a bit better than Quinn.

The problem with Quinn is that he shrinks from touch opposition. Cutler was used to facing superior teams in college and has to some extend been able to play up to good teams. Quinn has a history of collapsing against better teams and really didn't seem like he was ready for the NFL when he played this year. He had a decent game against our secondary, but really nothing special compared to many of the other QBs we faced.

Besides, rule of 59, end of debate.

BabyTO
03-17-2009, 06:12 PM
we've all seen him play either in the pros or Notre Dame it's true he SUCKS
Makes a lot of sense...

Rohirrim
03-17-2009, 06:15 PM
CLEVELAND—Establishing a reputation for quarterback performance that football insiders have called "reasonable," Browns quarterback Brady Quinn silenced his critics and stunned his coaches, teammates, and family by performing competently enough in his limited play during preseason games to put the Cleveland Browns in 2007 post-preseason contention.

"I guess I can only say 'Wow,'" former Miami Dolphins quarterback and current Inside The NFL co-host Dan Marino said Tuesday following the announcement that Cleveland would advance to the regular season, playing the Pittsburgh Steelers in their first game on Sept. 9. "Wow. I think I speak for everyone when I say no one thought Brady Quinn could do it. To see him come into that preseason game against the Lions and just embarrass one of the best auto mechanics to ever play cornerback in the NFL…I admit it, I didn't think he had it in him."

"Quinn seemed possessed, like he was out there playing like it was the last game those other guys would ever play," added Marino, saying Quinn reminded him of a younger version of a quarterback who used to back him up.

In his first-ever preseason start against the Detroit Lions, Quinn defied the extremely low expectations when he did not run out onto the field with his helmet on backwards, trip over the yard lines, line up to take the snap behind a wideout, or attempt to roll the ball down the field towards his receivers.

"I couldn't believe what I was seeing," said Sports Illustrated football writer Peter King. "The conventional wisdom going into that game was that Brady Quinn was a huge mistake on the part of the Browns. But anyone who saw him will tell you he might not be all that big of a mistake after all."

This breathtaking display of basic knowledge of football fundamentals continued in a workmanlike display of quarterbacking against a group of men attempting to make the Lions, as Quinn threw for 81 yards while not falling into any random holes or stepping on any rakes that had been left lying around the field. And in the final game of the preseason, facing a Bears defense that almost certainly contained players who will make Chicago's taxi squad, Quinn threw only a single interception while conspicuously not lighting himself or his teammates on fire or tying his shoelaces together even once.

Predictably, Browns fans were ecstatic at the level of Quinn's performance.

"Mark my words, Brady is going to be one of our quarterbacks of the immediate future," said Ken Fairfield, a Browns preseason-ticket holder who said he would be camping out for regular-season Browns tickets long before they went on sale, if not for the fact they would almost certainly be readily available. "I can't believe people said he wouldn't even be an adequate field general. If what I saw in the second halves of those games wasn't adequate, I don't know what is."

"I'm completely surprised…I always felt that we could count on Quinn to totally blow it, but this is whole different side that we could never imagine," Browns head coach Romeo Crennel said. "I anticipated that he would hand off the ball to the first defensive lineman he saw. I even game-planned for it, keeping a fullback deep in the backfield to tackle him if he started running the wrong way. But then he goes and throws a basic little dump-off pass to Cribbs in the flat and it turns into a touchdown."

"I'm not saying we wouldn't have made it to the regular season without him," said Crennel, "but his play certainly didn't hurt. Which is one hell of a nice surprise, let me tell you."

Charlie Frye has been confirmed as the starter for the Sept. 9 game. Quinn is currently fourth on the depth chart, behind Frye, Derek Anderson, and strong-armed long-snapper Ryan Pontbriand. (The Onion)

Hercules Rockefeller
03-17-2009, 06:18 PM
Cutler is not worth more than Quinn and their 2nd round pick (again, Cassel went for a 2nd, and Quinn to Cleveland is worth a 1st round pick). It's a fair deal. It's an early 2nd round pick, that's what pro bowlers get traded for in the NFL.

The way you break down the trade it doesn't make any sense.

"We give up: QB Cutler, TE Sheffler, 1st round pick (12th overall)
Browns give up: QB Quinn, 2nd round pick, 1st round pick (5th overall)"

1st CLE vs 1st DEN = very early 2nd round pick according to the value chart. That's what we're getting out of this.

So now you have:
Quinn + 2nd round pick (very early) + 2nd round pick (very early)
vs
Cutler, Sheffler

That's basically Quinn + two late 1st round picks for Cutler and Sheffler.

That's great that Quinn is worth a 1st to Cleveland, doesn't make it realistic, and Cassel had better numbers than Quinn last year, so it's kind of weird that you value Quinn more than Cassel.

Again, look at anyone who actually covers the NFL for a living. All of them have said it's Quinn and the 5th overall at a minimum for Cutler if the Browns want to get involved. I'll take their valuation over yours any day.

Your trades sucked, especially the 2nd one that had the 12th getting moved in the deal.

oubronco
03-17-2009, 06:21 PM
CLEVELAND—Establishing a reputation for quarterback performance that football insiders have called "reasonable," Browns quarterback Brady Quinn silenced his critics and stunned his coaches, teammates, and family by performing competently enough in his limited play during preseason games to put the Cleveland Browns in 2007 post-preseason contention.

"I guess I can only say 'Wow,'" former Miami Dolphins quarterback and current Inside The NFL co-host Dan Marino said Tuesday following the announcement that Cleveland would advance to the regular season, playing the Pittsburgh Steelers in their first game on Sept. 9. "Wow. I think I speak for everyone when I say no one thought Brady Quinn could do it. To see him come into that preseason game against the Lions and just embarrass one of the best auto mechanics to ever play cornerback in the NFL…I admit it, I didn't think he had it in him."

"Quinn seemed possessed, like he was out there playing like it was the last game those other guys would ever play," added Marino, saying Quinn reminded him of a younger version of a quarterback who used to back him up.

In his first-ever preseason start against the Detroit Lions, Quinn defied the extremely low expectations when he did not run out onto the field with his helmet on backwards, trip over the yard lines, line up to take the snap behind a wideout, or attempt to roll the ball down the field towards his receivers.

"I couldn't believe what I was seeing," said Sports Illustrated football writer Peter King. "The conventional wisdom going into that game was that Brady Quinn was a huge mistake on the part of the Browns. But anyone who saw him will tell you he might not be all that big of a mistake after all."

This breathtaking display of basic knowledge of football fundamentals continued in a workmanlike display of quarterbacking against a group of men attempting to make the Lions, as Quinn threw for 81 yards while not falling into any random holes or stepping on any rakes that had been left lying around the field. And in the final game of the preseason, facing a Bears defense that almost certainly contained players who will make Chicago's taxi squad, Quinn threw only a single interception while conspicuously not lighting himself or his teammates on fire or tying his shoelaces together even once.

Predictably, Browns fans were ecstatic at the level of Quinn's performance.

"Mark my words, Brady is going to be one of our quarterbacks of the immediate future," said Ken Fairfield, a Browns preseason-ticket holder who said he would be camping out for regular-season Browns tickets long before they went on sale, if not for the fact they would almost certainly be readily available. "I can't believe people said he wouldn't even be an adequate field general. If what I saw in the second halves of those games wasn't adequate, I don't know what is."

"I'm completely surprised…I always felt that we could count on Quinn to totally blow it, but this is whole different side that we could never imagine," Browns head coach Romeo Crennel said. "I anticipated that he would hand off the ball to the first defensive lineman he saw. I even game-planned for it, keeping a fullback deep in the backfield to tackle him if he started running the wrong way. But then he goes and throws a basic little dump-off pass to Cribbs in the flat and it turns into a touchdown."

"I'm not saying we wouldn't have made it to the regular season without him," said Crennel, "but his play certainly didn't hurt. Which is one hell of a nice surprise, let me tell you."

Charlie Frye has been confirmed as the starter for the Sept. 9 game. Quinn is currently fourth on the depth chart, behind Frye, Derek Anderson, and strong-armed long-snapper Ryan Pontbriand. (The Onion)

:spit:

BabyTO
03-17-2009, 06:21 PM
Actually, any Browns trade should include Shaun Rogers. The relationship between Rogers and Eric Mangini is really insane stuff, they're like high school girls or something ... at one point, Rogers complained that Mangini "disrespected" him by walking past him in the weight room. So even though the Browns claim they don't wanna trade him, he's prolly available. And fresh off his 3rd Pro Bowl in 9 years. It'd be nice to have an elite 3-4 NT in his prime fall in our laps, eh?
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Well we could pick up BJ Raji with the 5th pick that's why i didn't include him in the 2nd trade.