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Ramathorn
03-16-2009, 01:16 PM
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Patriots appear primed to make deal with Panthers for Peppers

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The trade that sent (http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80efe755&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true) Matt Cassel (http://www.nfl.com/players/mattcassel/profile?id=CAS541133) and Mike Vrabel (http://www.nfl.com/players/mikevrabel/profile?id=VRA088990) to the Kansas City Chiefs (http://www.nfl.com/teams/kansascitychiefs/profile?team=KC) appears to be only the first phase of some major wheeling and dealing by the New England Patriots (http://www.nfl.com/teams/newenglandpatriots/profile?team=NE) this offseason.
The second phase, NFL sources say, is likely to involve a trade that would send Carolina Panthers (http://www.nfl.com/teams/carolinapanthers/profile?team=CAR) defensive end Julius Peppers (http://www.nfl.com/players/juliuspeppers/profile?id=PEP422041) to the Patriots in exchange for the second-round pick (34th overall) they received from the Chiefs on Feb. 28.
Patriots' offseason moves
http://static.nfl.com/static/content/catch_all/nfl_image/patriots_logo.jpg (http://www.nfl.com/teams/newenglandpatriots/profile?team=NE) Acquired:
TE Chris Baker (http://www.nfl.com/players/chrisbaker/profile?id=BAK097464)
LB Tully Banta-Cain (http://www.nfl.com/players/tullybanta-cain/profile?id=BAN815644)
CB Leigh Bodden (http://www.nfl.com/players/leighbodden/profile?id=BOD194145)
WR Joey Galloway (http://www.nfl.com/players/joeygalloway/profile?id=GAL752888)
LS Nathan Hodel (http://www.nfl.com/players/nathanhodel/profile?id=HOD104287)
WR Greg Lewis (http://www.nfl.com/players/greglewis/profile?id=LEW333082)
CB Shawn Springs (http://www.nfl.com/players/shawnsprings/profile?id=SPR379648)
RB Fred Taylor (http://www.nfl.com/players/fredtaylor/profile?id=TAY220162)

Retained:
LB Eric Alexander (http://www.nfl.com/players/ericalexander/profile?id=ALE241391)
P Chris Hanson (http://www.nfl.com/players/chrishanson/profile?id=HAN639047)
G Russ Hochstein (http://www.nfl.com/players/russhochstein/profile?id=HOC309780)
S James Sanders (http://www.nfl.com/players/jamessanders/profile?id=SAN342375)

Departed:
QB Matt Cassel (http://www.nfl.com/players/mattcassel/profile?id=CAS541133)
FB Heath Evans (http://www.nfl.com/players/heathevans/profile?id=EVA025725)
WR Jabar Gaffney (http://www.nfl.com/players/jabargaffney/profile?id=GAF203145)
LB Larry Izzo (http://www.nfl.com/players/larryizzo/profile?id=IZZ474619)
WR C.J. Jones (http://www.nfl.com/players/c.j.jones/profile?id=JON166930)
RB LaMont Jordan (http://www.nfl.com/players/lamontjordan/profile?id=JOR423594)
LS Lonie Paxton (http://www.nfl.com/players/loniepaxton/profile?id=PAX622937)
LB Darrell Robertson (http://www.nfl.com/players/darrellrobertson/profile?id=ROB304977)
LB Mike Vrabel (http://www.nfl.com/players/mikevrabel/profile?id=VRA088990)

» Free-agency tracker (http://www.nfl.com/freeagency)


According to league sources, the Patriots and Panthers are hoping to complete the deal at some point between the March 22-25 NFL owners meetings and the start of the draft on April 25.
Peppers, on whom the Panthers have placed a franchise tag (http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80ed19f4&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true) that assures him of a one-year contract worth $16.68 million, would be converted to outside linebacker in New England's 3-4 defense.
The Patriots already were looking ahead to the possibility of acquiring Peppers when they shipped Cassel and Vrabel to Kansas City, NFL sources say, because they wanted to clear the salary-cap space necessary to sign Peppers to a new contract that would put him among the higher-paid defensive players in the league. After signing Cassel to a one-year, franchise-tag tender contract worth $14.65 million, New England had nearly $30 million in cap money devoted to two quarterbacks (including $14.62 million for Tom Brady (http://www.nfl.com/players/tombrady/profile?id=BRA371156)).
Once the Patriots were convinced that Brady would be fully recovered from the season-ending knee injury he suffered last year, they were comfortable with trading his replacement to the Chiefs and putting the wheels in motion to bolster a defense that has gotten particularly old at linebacker. Vrabel and fellow linebacker Tedy Bruschi (http://www.nfl.com/players/tedybruschi/profile?id=BRU812794) are well into the twilight of their respective careers.
NFL sources say the Panthers would welcome the chance to unload Peppers for a second-round draft pick, even though it would be well below his market value, because it would be less costly than signing a first-rounder. The Panthers already have made some belt-tightening financial moves within their front office.
This, in part, could help answer the lingering question of why the Patriots were willing to take only a second-round pick for Cassel and Vrabel rather than possibly go for a higher choice as part of a three-way deal involving the Denver Broncos (http://www.nfl.com/teams/denverbroncos/profile?team=DEN), who were ready to give up Jay Cutler (http://www.nfl.com/players/jaycutler/profile?id=CUT288111) for Cassel. Without an additional second-round pick, the Patriots might not be able to pursue Peppers.
League sources also point out that the Panthers don't have a first-round choice after trading it to the Philadelphia Eagles (http://www.nfl.com/teams/philadelphiaeagles/profile?team=PHI) and aren't scheduled to draft until 59th overall (near the bottom of the second round). The 34th spot would give Carolina the second pick of the second round and a chance to land a player with a first-round rating who was pushed down to that spot for whatever reason.
Also, according to NFL sources, there is a third phase to the Patriots' offseason strategy. They would like to further beef up their linebacking corps by adding an inside linebacker in the draft. They are known to believe that USC's Rey Maualuga (http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/rey-maualuga?id=79852) would be a great fit for their scheme, especially when paired with Jerod Mayo (http://www.nfl.com/players/jerodmayo/profile?id=MAY651489), their 2008 first-round pick who was the NFL's top defensive rookie. However, some early projections suggest it might be long shot for Maualuga to be available for the Patriots with the 23rd overall pick.

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Patriots coach Bill Belichick is known for making excellent decisions when it comes to acquiring players, but at least one NFL player-personnel evaluator questions whether Peppers would be a good fit in New England.
"This is a guy who totally went on strike two years ago because he wasn't happy with his contract," said the player personnel source, who requested anonymity. "He's also very long (in the torso), which is not ideal for a 3-4 outside linebacker. And he can't drop into coverage. He's very stiff.
"But one of the things (the Patriots) are looking at is the fact that, in passing situations, they can have Peppers up front with (Richard) Seymour and (Jarvis) Green. That makes it easier for them to take (nose tackle Vince) Wilfork out of the game in (passing situations) and just play him on running downs

BroncoBuff
03-16-2009, 01:17 PM
That's a big contract to take on ... they couldn't have done this and kept Cassel too.

Popps
03-16-2009, 01:18 PM
If he's available for a 2nd rounder, his ass better end up in Denver.

Though, I understand the hesitancy in paying him too much. He's been an up and down player.

ludo21
03-16-2009, 01:19 PM
A 2nd rounder and he could be had and we passed?

This FO is stupid.

Gcver2ver3
03-16-2009, 01:21 PM
A 2nd rounder and he could be had and we passed?

This FO is stupid.

who says we passed?...

the Pats 2nd rounder is better than our 2nd rounder, so to outbid them pick-wise we would've had to give up our 1st rounder...

cutthemdown
03-16-2009, 01:22 PM
For one the 2nd rounder they got is higher then what we have so we would have had to give more. Pick 34 is basically like a first round pick.

Broncos probably would have had to throw there first rounder to get it done.

BMarsh615
03-16-2009, 01:22 PM
A 2nd rounder and he could be had and we passed?

This FO is stupid.

I think Peppers probably has a say into where he is going. Who would want to come to Denver with McDaniels the tyrant running things.

cutthemdown
03-16-2009, 01:23 PM
ooops sorry beat me to it. Yeah what he said!!!

bowtown
03-16-2009, 01:27 PM
Sorry but he isn't avaible for a 2nd. This is speculating that he's available for a high second, specifically #34. We would have to offer a 1st to top that.

iforgotmypassword
03-16-2009, 01:28 PM
or our secound and a lower round pick

gyldenlove
03-16-2009, 01:28 PM
I think Peppers probably has a say into where he is going. Who would want to come to Denver with McDaniels the tyrant running things.

Of course he does, he has to sign his franchise tender in order to be traded, so he can nix any trade by not signing.

rugbythug
03-16-2009, 01:29 PM
I think Peppers probably has a say into where he is going. Who would want to come to Denver with McDaniels the tyrant running things.

Yes Bellicheck is so much more Cuddly

houghtam
03-16-2009, 01:31 PM
or our secound and a lower round pick

This isn't Madden. Teams usually target actual players with their picks. You can't just lowball a trade partner and keep adding in a 7th no wait 6th no wait 5th no wait 4th until they say yes.

BMarsh615
03-16-2009, 01:34 PM
Yes Bellicheck is so much more Cuddly

Belicheck* has a track record of winning.

montrose
03-16-2009, 01:35 PM
That's a really high 2nd rounder, basically a 1st rounder without the cost. I'm interested to see how he fits in there.

rugbythug
03-16-2009, 01:37 PM
Belicheck* has a track record of winning.

Ahh-And McDaniels has a track record of Losing?

broncosteven
03-16-2009, 01:38 PM
This is the 2nd Big trade we were rumored involved in and the 2nd time they failed to land their guy.

Once is allowed to happen, twice is a trend.

c_lazy_r
03-16-2009, 01:39 PM
I think Peppers probably has a say into where he is going. Who would want to come to Denver with McDaniels the tyrant running things.

this is getting ****ing ridiculous

Kaylore
03-16-2009, 01:40 PM
Ahh-And McDaniels has a track record of Losing?

Well...um...Bellichick isn't a big stupid doo-doo face!

/BMarsh615

c_lazy_r
03-16-2009, 01:42 PM
This is the 2nd Big trade we were rumored involved in and the 2nd time they failed to land their guy.

Once is allowed to happen, twice is a trend.

yea, I'm sure Cassel wouldn't have wanted to come play for McD.

::)

TonyR
03-16-2009, 01:42 PM
Did anybody notice this part?

“This is a guy who totally went on strike two years ago because he wasn’t happy with his contract,” a player personnel source told Carucci. “He’s also very long [in the torso], which is not ideal for a 3-4 outside linebacker. And he can’t drop into coverage. He’s very stiff.”

c_lazy_r
03-16-2009, 01:43 PM
Well...um...Bellichick isn't a big stupid doo-doo face!

/BMarsh615


LOL LOL

^5

Hotrod
03-16-2009, 01:47 PM
I ****ing swear son of a bitch my ****ing head is going to ****ing explode before this ****ing offseason ****ing comes to a close.

****

DarkHorse30
03-16-2009, 01:47 PM
anybody remember the Peppers interview on the sideline @ the probowl? It appeared that he had trouble forming a sentence. Was Carolina in a 4-3 or 3-4?

ludo21
03-16-2009, 01:47 PM
My bad, maybe we did make a play for him, but he isnt worth a first.

broncosteven
03-16-2009, 01:50 PM
yea, I'm sure Cassel wouldn't have wanted to come play for McD.

::)

I don't follow?

My point is that the new Denver FO has so far been rumored in the Cassel deal and the Peppers deal and are 0-2.

What's your point?

broncosteven
03-16-2009, 01:52 PM
anybody remember the Peppers interview on the sideline @ the probowl? It appeared that he had trouble forming a sentence. Was Carolina in a 4-3 or 3-4?

I love how everyone wants a guy but once that guy is taken he is instantly stupid underachiving waste.

lostknight
03-16-2009, 01:53 PM
That's okay, I am sure that McDaniels will now try and trade our first round pick and Jay Cutler for Peppers now that he has gotten his marching orders from Herr Bellichick.

WABronco
03-16-2009, 01:53 PM
Omg 30 Other Teams Passed On Him Too What Fools! Why can't they be as smart as me? Dumbass "McTurdBurger" (making fun of his name shows my wit!)

socalorado
03-16-2009, 01:56 PM
My bad, maybe we did make a play for him, but he isnt worth a first.

NO, he isnt worth DENs 1st

Drek
03-16-2009, 01:59 PM
Good fit there for Peppers. He's got a questionable motor so I'd be real hesitant about us giving him the huge jack he's going to demand, but NE has the established leaders there to keep Peppers pushing to get better and play hard every down. Just what he needs to be an elite talent.

DarkHorse30
03-16-2009, 02:07 PM
I love how everyone wants a guy but once that guy is taken he is instantly stupid underachiving waste.

Not underachieving......just "apparently" stupid......heck, maybe it's just the 'roids talking :sunshine:

broncosteven
03-16-2009, 02:09 PM
Omg 30 Other Teams Passed On Him Too What Fools! Why can't they be as smart as me? Dumbass "McTurdBurger" (making fun of his name shows my wit!)

30 other teams were not rumored 2 weeks ago to be very close to aquiring him in a trade either.

They get burned with Cassel deal, then decide not to pull the trigger for Peppers. I would not have done the Peppers deal either but 2 strikes out of the gate is a trend.

Maybe they hit an 0-2 curve out of the park, or maybe they strike out. Time will tell.

HEAV
03-16-2009, 02:21 PM
This is the 2nd Big trade we were rumored involved in and the 2nd time they failed to land their guy.

Once is allowed to happen, twice is a trend.

I'm thinking the part about the 3-way trade with Denver (in the story) was the Bucs/Lions-Denver-Patriots.

At least that's how I read it. Meaning the Pat's would get a pick from the Bucs/Lions, the BRONCOS get Cassel and the Bucs/Lions get Cutler.

From the story I don't see where Denver is mentioned in chasing for Peppers.

Cool Breeze
03-16-2009, 02:21 PM
one statement:

I think Peppers probably has a say into where he is going. Who would want to come to Denver with McDaniels the tyrant running things.

has nothing to do with the other:

Belicheck* has a track record of winning.

:thumbs:

BMarsh615
03-16-2009, 02:28 PM
Ahh-And McDaniels has a track record of Losing?

McDaniels doesn't have a track record. He certainly isn't off to good start.

Cool Breeze
03-16-2009, 02:33 PM
McDaniels did just fine in his previous capacity.
This just an excuse for a new contract for Jay.

gyldenlove
03-16-2009, 02:36 PM
McDaniels did just fine in his previous capacity.
This just an excuse for a new contract for Jay.

I am doing very well in my current capacity, that doesn't mean I will be a good HC.

HEAV
03-16-2009, 02:40 PM
McDaniels doesn't have a track record. He certainly isn't off to good start.

McDaniels joined the Patriots in 2001 as a personnel assistant. From 2002 to 2003, he served as a defensive coaching assistant for the team, working with the defensive backs in 2003.

In 2004, he became the team's quarterbacks coach.

After offensive coordinator Charlie Weis left the team following the 2004 season, the Patriots did not name an offensive coordinator for the 2005 season.

According to The New York Times, in 2008, it was McDaniels who called the offensive plays for the 2005 season, although suggestions to that effect were made in 2005. After the season, McDaniels was officially promoted to offensive coordinator, while retaining his responsibilities coaching the team's quarterbacks.

In the 2007 NFL season, with McDaniels at the helm of the offense, the Patriots set NFL records, scoring 75 touchdowns (67 on offense, 50 passing and 17 rushing) and 589 points.

In the 2008 NFL season, McDaniels led the offense to an 11-5 record with quarterback Matt Cassel, the only known NFL quarterback ever to start an NFL game without ever starting at quarterback in college. McDaniels' role in developing Cassel has been cited as one of his qualifications for head coaching jobs.

Cool Breeze
03-16-2009, 02:40 PM
I am doing very well in my current capacity, that doesn't mean I will be a good HC.

Time will tell for McDaniels
You however better get to work on it! :wink:

HEAV
03-16-2009, 02:42 PM
I am doing very well in my current capacity, that doesn't mean I will be a good HC.

Are you a NFL asst. coach? College Head coach?

BMarsh615
03-16-2009, 02:55 PM
McDaniels joined the Patriots in 2001 as a personnel assistant. From 2002 to 2003, he served as a defensive coaching assistant for the team, working with the defensive backs in 2003.

In 2004, he became the team's quarterbacks coach.

After offensive coordinator Charlie Weis left the team following the 2004 season, the Patriots did not name an offensive coordinator for the 2005 season.

According to The New York Times, in 2008, it was McDaniels who called the offensive plays for the 2005 season, although suggestions to that effect were made in 2005. After the season, McDaniels was officially promoted to offensive coordinator, while retaining his responsibilities coaching the team's quarterbacks.

In the 2007 NFL season, with McDaniels at the helm of the offense, the Patriots set NFL records, scoring 75 touchdowns (67 on offense, 50 passing and 17 rushing) and 589 points.

In the 2008 NFL season, McDaniels led the offense to an 11-5 record with quarterback Matt Cassel, the only known NFL quarterback ever to start an NFL game without ever starting at quarterback in college. McDaniels' role in developing Cassel has been cited as one of his qualifications for head coaching jobs.

Charlie Weiss, Romeo Crennel, and Eric Mangini had a resume pretty similar to that one. He is just another assistant living off of Belichecks* cheating name.

elsid13
03-16-2009, 03:04 PM
This isn't Madden. Teams usually target actual players with their picks. You can't just lowball a trade partner and keep adding in a 7th no wait 6th no wait 5th no wait 4th until they say yes.

At this point of the game they aren't targeting any specific players to draft. They are looking for options come draft day.

broncosteven
03-16-2009, 03:14 PM
McDaniels joined the Patriots in 2001 as a personnel assistant. From 2002 to 2003, he served as a defensive coaching assistant for the team, working with the defensive backs in 2003.

In 2004, he became the team's quarterbacks coach.

After offensive coordinator Charlie Weis left the team following the 2004 season, the Patriots did not name an offensive coordinator for the 2005 season.

According to The New York Times, in 2008, it was McDaniels who called the offensive plays for the 2005 season, although suggestions to that effect were made in 2005. After the season, McDaniels was officially promoted to offensive coordinator, while retaining his responsibilities coaching the team's quarterbacks.

In the 2007 NFL season, with McDaniels at the helm of the offense, the Patriots set NFL records, scoring 75 touchdowns (67 on offense, 50 passing and 17 rushing) and 589 points.

In the 2008 NFL season, McDaniels led the offense to an 11-5 record with quarterback Matt Cassel, the only known NFL quarterback ever to start an NFL game without ever starting at quarterback in college. McDaniels' role in developing Cassel has been cited as one of his qualifications for head coaching jobs.

You forgot the that dispite the Record breaking 2007 season his offense was manhandled in the SB. He was outcoached by Spags that day.

elsid13
03-16-2009, 03:17 PM
You forgot the that dispite the Record breaking 2007 season his offense was manhandled in the SB. He was outcoached by Spags that day.

most likely because his QBs doesn't have any mobility and hard for them to take a threaten the edge when the oline break down.

MechanicalBull
03-16-2009, 03:19 PM
So if it goes down it's pretty much Cassel/Vrable for Peppers. If Brady comes back without any hiccups that's a nice trade for the Pats.

RunSilentRunDeep
03-16-2009, 03:19 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80f48fa8&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true

Departed:
QB Matt Cassel (http://www.nfl.com/players/mattcassel/profile?id=CAS541133)
FB Heath Evans (http://www.nfl.com/players/heathevans/profile?id=EVA025725)
WR Jabar Gaffney (http://www.nfl.com/players/jabargaffney/profile?id=GAF203145)
LB Larry Izzo (http://www.nfl.com/players/larryizzo/profile?id=IZZ474619)
WR C.J. Jones (http://www.nfl.com/players/c.j.jones/profile?id=JON166930)
RB LaMont Jordan (http://www.nfl.com/players/lamontjordan/profile?id=JOR423594)
LS Lonie Paxton (http://www.nfl.com/players/loniepaxton/profile?id=PAX622937)
LB Darrell Robertson (http://www.nfl.com/players/darrellrobertson/profile?id=ROB304977)
LB Mike Vrabel (http://www.nfl.com/players/mikevrabel/profile?id=VRA088990)

I still don't see how the Pats are going to overcome the loss of Lonie Paxton.

broncosteven
03-16-2009, 03:22 PM
I'm thinking the part about the 3-way trade with Denver (in the story) was the Bucs/Lions-Denver-Patriots.

At least that's how I read it. Meaning the Pat's would get a pick from the Bucs/Lions, the BRONCOS get Cassel and the Bucs/Lions get Cutler.

From the story I don't see where Denver is mentioned in chasing for Peppers.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=2330150&postcount=24

Two Posters came up with the same rumor about some sort of trade with Carolina.

broncosteven
03-16-2009, 03:24 PM
I still don't see how the Pats are going to overcome the loss of Lonie Paxton.

Belly will find someone else that can make Snow Angels on his team...

gyldenlove
03-16-2009, 03:28 PM
Are you a NFL asst. coach? College Head coach?

No, but how does that matter?

Look at all the HCs that fail, they pretty much all started as either College HC or Asst coach. I bet I could do as well as most of those guys, as well as Lane Kiffin for sure.

gyldenlove
03-16-2009, 03:29 PM
Charlie Weiss, Romeo Crennel, and Eric Mangini had a resume pretty similar to that one. He is just another assistant living off of Belichecks* cheating name.

Actually Weis and Crennel both had better resumes than Mcdaniels.

broncosteven
03-16-2009, 03:30 PM
most likely because his QBs doesn't have any mobility and hard for them to take a threat the edge when the oline break down.

But no one did it all year, including the Gints the 1st time round.

MickyD was out coached that day.

watermock
03-16-2009, 04:13 PM
You forgot the that dispite the Record breaking 2007 season his offense was manhandled in the SB. He was outcoached by Spags that day.

indeed...Spags would of rebuilt the 4-3 and left the offense to Dennison/Bates/Turner.

We have zero personell to run the 3/4. Moss and Doom are too small for DE, too clumsy for olb.

Bowlen should of gone over shanny's head and fired Slowdick. If Shanny resigned then, we owe him NOTHING.

This is the most ****ed up offseason EVER.

The team is shellshocked. I saw Royal. Say goodbye to Marshall and Scheff and Hillis too soon.

boltaneer
03-16-2009, 04:46 PM
So if it goes down it's pretty much Cassel/Vrable for Peppers. If Brady comes back without any hiccups that's a nice trade for the Pats.

As much as I hate the P*ts, trading Cassel for Peppers is freakin genius.

I understand Carolina is desperate to dump them but the Chiefs are the real losers here IMO.

BTW, Cassel still doesn't have a new contract right? I wonder what kind of contract the Chiefs are going to have to offer him to get him not to play for the $15 million he's scheduled to have guaranteed for this season.

BroncoInferno
03-16-2009, 04:55 PM
You forgot the that dispite the Record breaking 2007 season his offense was manhandled in the SB. He was outcoached by Spags that day.

I am sorry, but this is one of the stupider arguments I've heard people make. Because Spags may have gotten the best of McD in a single game proves nothing. Tom Cable made Mike Shanahan his bitch in a single game scenario--is Cable better than Shanahan? What a lazy, dumb argument.

cutthemdown
03-16-2009, 05:38 PM
Are you a NFL asst. coach? College Head coach?

dude probably never even played H.S football.

UberBroncoMan
03-16-2009, 05:44 PM
Well holy ****

Hotrod
03-17-2009, 09:02 AM
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=2330150&postcount=24

Two Posters came up with the same rumor about some sort of trade with Carolina.


And it is not yet dead :)

The pats deal for Peppers is FAR from complete

Cool Breeze
03-17-2009, 09:23 AM
Panthers prohibited from Peppers talks - The reason: They aren't allowed to have any trade talks involving Peppers until he signs his one-year tender worth $16.7 million -- or until his agent brokers a deal with another team and comes to Carolina for approval.

Hotrod
03-17-2009, 09:28 AM
Panthers prohibited from Peppers talks - The reason: They aren't allowed to have any trade talks involving Peppers until he signs his one-year tender worth $16.7 million -- or until his agent brokers a deal with another team and comes to Carolina for approval.

Thats a great point. He and his agent are the only ones actually shopping themselves. Yet I bet the panthers are very well aware of the situation.

TonyR
03-17-2009, 11:44 AM
SCHEFTER SAYS PEPPERS-TO-PATS WON’T HAPPEN
Posted by Mike Florio on March 17, 2009, 12:08 p.m. EDT
In his weekly appearance on WEEI in Boston, Adam Schefter of NFL Network said that the Panthers won’t be trading defensive end Julius Peppers to the Patriots.

“That trade is not gonna happen,” Schefter told Dennis & Callahan of WEEI.

Schefter cited the financial investment that Peppers would require and the looming class of Patriots free agents (including Vince Wilfork and Richard Seymour), who will be on the market in 2010.

Schefter’s opinion conflicts sharply with a Monday report from Vic Carucci of NFL.com, who seemed to suggest that a trade would happen at some point between the upcoming league meetings (which open on March 22) and the 2009 draft.

“I’m telling you, they’re not gonna do it,” Schefter said later in the segment. “. . . . I don’t believe for a second there’s any truth to it.”

Schefter then said he’s 99.9 percent sure that Peppers won’t be playing for the Patriots next year.

But Schefter then acknowledged that that 0.1 percent could come to fruition, and that he could be exposed as a “complete fraud.”

Meanwhile, Schefter said that he regards the chances of the Pats signing defensive end Jason Taylor as “realistic.”

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/03/17/schefter-says-peppers-to-pats-wont-happen/

BroncoBuff
03-17-2009, 03:21 PM
As much as I hate the P*ts, trading Cassel for Peppers is freakin genius.

I understand Carolina is desperate to dump them but the Chiefs are the real losers here IMO.

Genius, as usual for Belichick ... he's the best: They have 4 of the first 58 picks in this year's draft, they went 11-5 despite losing their best QB ever in Week 1, and despite being penalized a 1st round pick.

I can't stand the guy, but Belichick is the best. He was criticized for taking "the lesser deal" for Cassel, but if he turns that pick into Peppers, he did the right thing.

I'm not sure how the chefs "lose" here ... They got their starting QB, and Vrabel is an experienced 3-4 LB for a team changing to the 3-4.


BTW, Cassel still doesn't have a new contract right? I wonder what kind of contract the Chiefs are going to have to offer him to get him not to play for the $15 million he's scheduled to have guaranteed for this season.

No, I think they franchised Cassel in New England, thus Cassel is a very rich guy already.
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boltaneer
03-17-2009, 06:05 PM
Genius, as usual for Belichick ... he's the best: They have 4 of the first 58 picks in this year's draft, they went 11-5 despite losing their best QB ever in Week 1, and despite being penalized a 1st round pick.

I can't stand the guy, but Belichick is the best. He was criticized for taking "the lesser deal" for Cassel, but if he turns that pick into Peppers, he did the right thing.

I'm not sure how the chefs "lose" here ... They got their starting QB, and Vrabel is an experienced 3-4 LB for a team changing to the 3-4.

I think they'll "lose" here because I think that trade is going to backfire on them big time along with all the cash they'll have to shell out to Cassel. Just my opinion. :clown:


No, I think they franchised Cassel in New England, thus Cassel is a very rich guy already..

Right.

Cassel signed the franchise tender and it stays with the player if they are traded. IMO, he shouldn't even consider a new contract and just play on the tender, unless he offers him an even more insane amount...

Isn't it a strange situation to trade for a franchised player without having a new contract agreed to beforehand?

theAPAOps5
03-17-2009, 06:27 PM
THE DEAL IS not DONE