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Requiem
03-16-2009, 06:39 AM
So, I'm not sure what we should expect to get for Jay now if McDaniels isn't interested in pick compensation (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3983805) for Jay Cutler. Well, I'm still sure we'll get picks in the deal -- but that kind of sounds ****ed up.

"That's what we have communicated ever since the deal with Cassel didn't happen," McDaniels said. "Other teams have called but we're not interested in getting draft picks for Jay. I never made a statement [Saturday] that 'you can be traded at any time.' They asked a question and I told them it was the time of year when people inquire about your team. Your job, as a head coach and general manager, is to listen and not bypass any opportunity to help your team improve. I think most people [in the NFL] feel the same way. You make smart, educated decisions that are best for your football team."

So. . .

missingnumber7
03-16-2009, 06:45 AM
What about working a 3 team deal and getting Leinert if we have to get rid of Jay?

oubronco
03-16-2009, 06:54 AM
What about working a 3 team deal and getting Leinert if we have to get rid of Jay?

are you for real ROFL!

tsiguy96
03-16-2009, 06:55 AM
this **** is crazy. cutler wants to here that he is untradeable and mcdaniels wont say it, becuase he isnt. thats what this is all about it.

The Joker
03-16-2009, 06:55 AM
I assume he's just trying to communicate that he wants to keep Cutler, and was never interested in any other trade apart from the Cassell one.

This stance will likely change if and when it becomes apparent that Cutler wants out and the relationship can't be repaired.

TonyR
03-16-2009, 06:58 AM
this **** is crazy. cutler wants to here that he is untradeable and mcdaniels wont say it, becuase he isnt. thats what this is all about it.

Indeed. Jay has his mind made up. Unless he gets everything he wants, just how he wants it, he's going to take his ball and go home. I'm just baffled how anyone could be on his side in this. I understand the initial negative reaction to all of this, I don't understand the continued posturing and behavior. It can only work out if you want it to, Jay. And as long as you keep listening to your idiot agent it won't.

Man-Goblin
03-16-2009, 07:00 AM
I assume he's just trying to communicate that he wants to keep Cutler, and was never interested in any other trade apart from the Cassell one.

This stance will likely change if and when it becomes apparent that Cutler wants out and the relationship can't be repaired.

That's kind of how I took it. It was almost his way of stopping short of saying "Look, I probably would have traded him in a deal for Cassel if it was the right deal. But that never happened and I want to keep the guy we have"

socalorado
03-16-2009, 07:01 AM
this **** is crazy. cutler wants to here that he is untradeable and mcdaniels wont say it, becuase he isnt. thats what this is all about it.

NO. This is about his agent Bus Cook bending MCD over and orchestrating this whole mess to get Jay a ton more money.

And anyone who would suggest Leinart should be taken out back and ran over multiple times with a semi. Hilarious!

Steve Prefontaine
03-16-2009, 07:02 AM
What about working a 3 team deal and getting Leinert if we have to get rid of Jay?

Did Mel Kiper hack your account?

Captain 'Dre
03-16-2009, 07:08 AM
Man... Jay is acting like a scorned beauty queen! I haven't seen a hissy fit of these dimensions since... midldle school, maybe.

And Jay says he doesn't "like the way Rivers carries himself". Ha!

I don't think the relationships between Jay and the team can be repaired, mostly because Jay seems determined to carry out his "scorch the earth" strategy. And the team can't afford the huge distractions that Cutler appears hell-bent on creating.

Captain 'Dre
03-16-2009, 07:11 AM
NO. This is about his agent Bus Cook bending MCD over and orchestrating this whole mess to get Jay a ton more money.


Your theory would make more sense if Jay was with a bad team and wanted to move on so that he could be with a GOOD one. But IMO, he'd stand to make as much money HERE as anywhere, if not more, and he appeared to be happy here before this $#!t came down.

socalorado
03-16-2009, 07:12 AM
Man... Jay is acting like a scorned beauty queen! I haven't seen a hissy fit of these dimensions since... midldle school, maybe.

And Jay says he doesn't "like the way Rivers carries himself". Ha!

I don't think the relationships between Jay and the team can be repaired, mostly because Jay seems determined to carry out his "scorch the earth" strategy. And the team can't afford the huge distractions that Cutler appears hell-bent on creating.

What if DEN offered Jay a 100 million dollar contract with 35 million in gaurantees for 7 years and a no trade clause? You think that might solve this little hissy fit? Yeah, i think so.
And i am not saying to do this.

socalorado
03-16-2009, 07:13 AM
Your theory would make more sense if Jay was with a bad team and wanted to move on so that he could be with a GOOD one. But IMO, he'd stand to make as much money HERE as anywhere, if not more, and he appeared to be happy here before this $#!t came down.

Hey do you know how much money jay is making right now?

TheReverend
03-16-2009, 07:13 AM
What if DEN offered Jay a 100 million dollar contract with 35 million in gaurantees for 7 years and a no trade clause? You think that might solve this little hissy fit? Yeah, i think so.
And i am not saying to do this.

35 might be a little low over 7 years for his spot. Regardless, the guaranteed money is effectively a no trade clause.

montrose
03-16-2009, 07:14 AM
What if DEN offered Jay a 100 million dollar contract with 35 million in gaurantees for 7 years and a no trade clause? You think that might solve this little hissy fit? Yeah, i think so.
And i am not saying to do this.

You used the exact figures I used last night! I'm also not saying to do this, but I get the feeling that if Mr. McDaniels hopped a flight to Nashville tonight and presented this offer to Jay this whole mess would go away.

fontaine
03-16-2009, 07:15 AM
So, I'm not sure what we should expect to get for Jay now if McDaniels isn't interested in pick compensation (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3983805) for Jay Cutler. Well, I'm still sure we'll get picks in the deal -- but that kind of sounds ****ed up.



So. . .

Awesome, our franchise QB says he just needs to hear his team and FO/HC say they really want him to be there and our HC replies with a bunch of double talk.

What joke this guy is.

oubronco
03-16-2009, 07:15 AM
What if DEN offered Jay a 100 million dollar contract with 35 million in gaurantees for 7 years and a no trade clause? You think that might solve this little hissy fit? Yeah, i think so.
And i am not saying to do this.

probably cause we have no idea how Mcdaniels will do he could be fired after 3 yrs who knows

socalorado
03-16-2009, 07:16 AM
35 might be a little low over 7 years for his spot. Regardless, the guaranteed money is effectively a no trade clause.

THere still would be a no trade clause, simply because its leverage for the money. yeah, your right. Cook would still get it in writing though.

oubronco
03-16-2009, 07:16 AM
Awesome, our franchise QB says he just needs to hear his team and FO/HC say they really want him to be there and our HC replies with a bunch of double talk.

What joke this guy is.

Glad to hear I'm not the only one who see's it this way

socalorado
03-16-2009, 07:17 AM
You used the exact figures I used last night! I'm also not saying to do this, but I get the feeling that if Mr. McDaniels hopped a flight to Nashville tonight and presented this offer to Jay this whole mess would go away.

Your figures are perfect for the scenario!
I also am not saying do this, but for the sake of discussion, the figures make the point of what happening here.
They are good figures for a viable scenario, and if Cutler was traded, i just bet we would see the new team give him a deal much like your idea!

RaiderH8r
03-16-2009, 07:22 AM
Indeed. Jay has his mind made up. Unless he gets everything he wants, just how he wants it, he's going to take his ball and go home. I'm just baffled how anyone could be on his side in this. I understand the initial negative reaction to all of this, I don't understand the continued posturing and behavior. It can only work out if you want it to, Jay. And as long as you keep listening to your idiot agent it won't.

Jay gets to act like this because McKid royally f'd the whole situation up. Jay, and more importantly his agent, know or believe his value to the market is far higher than his value to the club right now and that's because of McD and the FO. Every coach lies, McD is really bad at it and then makes it worse with his unfounded sense of accomplishment and ego. Everytime the dumb ass opens his mouth the situation deteriorates. So Cutler can't trust the coach, the GM, or the owner to cover his back or consider his talents sufficiently in the best interest of the team to take a bite of the big ****burger THEY made so his attitude is f'em and right now I agree with Cutler's attitude towards these idiots. And all of this started because McKid couldn't leave Papa Belichick's house without his security binky; Matt Cassell.

TonyR
03-16-2009, 07:24 AM
Awesome, our franchise QB says he just needs to hear his team and FO/HC say they really want him to be there and our HC replies with a bunch of double talk.

What joke this guy is.

What are you not understanding here? You really think that's what this is about? THEY WANT A BIG, SHINY NEW CONTRACT! The only joke here is Jay Cutler and Bus Cook. Wake up already.

socalorado
03-16-2009, 07:27 AM
What are you not understanding here? You really think that's what this is about? THEY WANT A BIG, SHINY NEW CONTRACT! The only joke here is Jay Cutler and Bus Cook. Wake up already.

Yeah, you know after realizing that Cutlers agent is Cook and the orchestrated drama that went on with Favre last season when he was flown from Miss to GB and then flown to NY and the whole big stand off between him and Ted Thompson i realized that this is all been masterfully orchestrated by Cook. And admittedly MCD as a young guy fell right into his trap. And now, he more than likely will have to pay the kid.

RaiderH8r
03-16-2009, 07:28 AM
What are you not understanding here? You really think that's what this is about? THEY WANT A BIG, SHINY NEW CONTRACT! The only joke here is Jay Cutler and Bus Cook. Wake up already.

And if that's your belief then it still falls on McKid and Col. Xanders for tripping all over their dicks and handing the leverage to Jay and his agent.

Broncos FO, dumber than ever.

broncoblue
03-16-2009, 07:34 AM
even jerry springer wouldnt believe all this crap

Captain 'Dre
03-16-2009, 07:35 AM
Hey do you know how much money jay is making right now?

Doesn't really matter how much he's making right now because we're talking about his NEXT contract... the one he's evidently positioning himself for.

HILife
03-16-2009, 07:39 AM
As I said in another post. I'm done with Cutler. Trade him. Lets get some draft picks....or Tom Brady and lets move on. If Cutler changes his mind and shuts up and play then I will welcome back, but until then lets go.

socalorado
03-16-2009, 07:41 AM
Doesn't really matter how much he's making right now because we're talking about his NEXT contract... the one he's evidently positioning himself for.
Garcia Bronco has done the homework dude. This is all a big manipulation by Cook. Remember last year when FarveGate happened and the whole "trade me" or play me crap was happening? Same agent. Cutlers making chump change right now.
It's Bus cook trying to do this:
BUs Cook's resume
Largest rookie contract in NFL history. (Steve McNair, 1995)
Largest contract in NFL history. (Brett Favre, 1997)
First $100,000,000 contract in NFL History (Brett Favre, 2001)
Record setting contract paying out the most in the first three years in NFL history (McNair, 2001)
Largest non-QB contract in NFL history. (Randy Moss, 2001)
Innovative contract structure involving guaranteed money for Record setting Rookie contract. (Calvin Johnson, 2007)


http://www.milehighreport.com/2009/3...us-cook-and-th

fontaine
03-16-2009, 07:50 AM
What are you not understanding here? You really think that's what this is about? THEY WANT A BIG, SHINY NEW CONTRACT! The only joke here is Jay Cutler and Bus Cook. Wake up already.

Every player wants a big shiny new contract.

But
1. They have the agent and GM meet. Not the HC and player who PREFER TO STAY OUT OF contract negotiations.

2. It's very rare for a player to want a new contract when there are three years still remaining on the current one.

3. Cutler has already said he'll report to Mandatory/Training camp unlike other players who want a new contract and refuse to show up until they do or the fines get too $$$$$.

Money is part of the problem, it usually is. But so is the immaturity of Jay and the inability of the HC to stop tripping over his own words and spouting bull sh*t.

epicSocialism4tw
03-16-2009, 08:22 AM
And if that's your belief then it still falls on McKid and Col. Xanders for tripping all over their ***** and handing the leverage to Jay and his agent.

Broncos FO, dumber than ever.

I dont know that I have ever seen a more poorly executed offseason by any management group in the modern NFL.

Will McD and Xanders show up to the first game to Gershwin while piling out of a clown car full of their imported ex-Patriot regime?

Dendave
03-16-2009, 09:27 AM
anyone on Detroit you'd want? Calvin Johnson, Ernie Simms, Jason Hanson...if he doesn't want draft picks...

Bob's your Information Minister
03-16-2009, 09:35 AM
They would trade him for Matt Cassel!

broncofan
03-16-2009, 10:21 AM
Smartest thing McNugget has spewed since he took over the team. People overvalue draft picks this time of year, falling in love with the glory of having top 15 picks on the grounds that we <b>might</b> draft somebody who can be an impact player. Plus, correct me if I'm wrong because this is based off of minimal research...but I don't think McDaniels has a ton of experience stockpiling day 1 draft picks and developing the team around them. If Cutler and Scheffler go, and drama develops with Marshall, we will be in full blown rebuilding mode.

With that said...the Cleveland scenario is the only one that makes sense and offers the kind of value in return we should get for Cutler. Quinn, Rogers, and a 1st looks solid (with a lot of that based on Quinn's potential). The Weis/McD/Mangini network can't hurt either.

colonelbeef
03-16-2009, 10:29 AM
Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd this is the difference between having Mike Shanahan running your team and some overblown punk from the Belichick system.

Charlie Weis 2.0

broncswin
03-16-2009, 11:28 AM
They would trade him for Matt Cassel!

na that ship has left port, you guys are officially stuck with that pile of Bob:rofl: :rofl:

broncswin
03-16-2009, 11:30 AM
Smartest thing McNugget has spewed since he took over the team. People overvalue draft picks this time of year, falling in love with the glory of having top 15 picks on the grounds that we <b>might</b> draft somebody who can be an impact player. Plus, correct me if I'm wrong because this is based off of minimal research...but I don't think McDaniels has a ton of experience stockpiling day 1 draft picks and developing the team around them. If Cutler and Scheffler go, and drama develops with Marshall, we will be in full blown rebuilding mode.

With that said...the Cleveland scenario is the only one that makes sense and offers the kind of value in return we should get for Cutler. Quinn, Rogers, and a 1st looks solid (with a lot of that based on Quinn's potential). The Weis/McD/Mangini network can't hurt either.


I would be very happy with that trade:strong:

BroncoFiend
03-16-2009, 11:41 AM
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I would be very happy with that trade:strong:

I hate the idea of Cutler in the AFC, and on the Browns of all teams. It would be like them getting revenge for the Elway years.

broncswin
03-16-2009, 11:50 AM
I hate the idea of Cutler in the AFC, and on the Browns of all teams. It would be like them getting revenge for the Elway years.

Their gonna need more than a "Handle With Care" QB to get that revengeHilarious!

broncofan
03-16-2009, 11:55 AM
I hate the idea of Cutler in the AFC, and on the Browns of all teams. It would be like them getting revenge for the Elway years.

Agreed; however, the only teams that appear interested from the NFC are the Lions (who can only offer draft picks because they suck) and the Redskins (most of their fan base considers Jason Campbell a better QB than Cutler...I beg to differ). As I've said...the Cleveland deal is the only one that interests me at all. If I were in charge and there were no alternatives to a trade, all things considered, given the proposals...the cost/benefit and compensation of trading within the conference to the Browns outweighs that of trading to the Lions for picks or the Skins for some of their overpaid talent.

gyldenlove
03-16-2009, 12:00 PM
I don't think we will trade Cutler, but here are some of the trades I could imagine:

Cutler and something to Cardinals for Leinart and Boldin

Cutler and Scheffler to Panthers for Delhomme and Peppers

Cutler to Texans for Schaub and something

I can't really see any other team that could make the trade. Most other teams do not have the value to give up in terms of players. I would say Jets, Redskins, Vikings and Bears are all teams that could use Cutler and that I think he might want to go to, but none of those teams have enough value they can give up in return.

gyldenlove
03-16-2009, 12:04 PM
Agreed; however, the only teams that appear interested from the NFC are the Lions (who can only offer draft picks because they suck) and the Redskins (most of their fan base considers Jason Campbell a better QB than Cutler...I beg to differ). As I've said...the Cleveland deal is the only one that interests me at all. If I were in charge and there were no alternatives to a trade, all things considered, given the proposals...the cost/benefit and compensation of trading within the conference to the Browns outweighs that of trading to the Lions for picks or the Skins for some of their overpaid talent.

The Cleveland deal isn't going to happen. It was a blog rumor that has no foundation, the Browns would take more than 30 million in dead money if they trade Rogers and Quinn.

cutthemdown
03-16-2009, 12:05 PM
It's simple. If Cutler is as good as he thinks he is, and worth what his agent thinks he is, then he should be worth top end nfl talent.

That mean if Minny wants Cutler, you give us Adrian Peterson. Pro Bowler for Pro bowler, both young.

If Detroit wants him, then find a trade that nets you someone like Eli Manning, then trade him to us for Cutler. Or better yet Tom Brady or Manning. Cutler compares himself to those guys all the time, and he's younger. If he is as good and younger no reason Colts and Pat's wouldn't trade us straight up right?

maybe SD will trade Rivers for Cutler, Or Dallas Tony Romo, but with Romo you have to throw in Ware, after all Romo hasn't compared himself to Manning and Elway yet so he's not as valuable.

Cmon Bus Cook, If Cutler so good I'm sure you can get us top flight talent for him, not some unproven rookie.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
03-16-2009, 12:31 PM
Awesome, our franchise QB says he just needs to hear his team and FO/HC say they really want him to be there and our HC replies with a bunch of double talk.

What joke this guy is.

How much clearer can he be? "WE ARE NOT TRADING JAY CUTLER. PERIOD."

But sure, that's double-talk. Whatever you say, man.