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ZONA
03-15-2009, 10:13 PM
"I went in there with every intention of solving the issue, being a Bronco, moving forward as a Bronco," said Cutler. "We weren't in there but about 20 minutes, [McDaniels] did most of the talking and as far as I'm concerned, he made it clear he wants his own guy. He admitted he wanted Matt Cassel because he said he has raised him up from the ground as a quarterback. He said he wasn't sorry about it. He made it clear that he could still entertain trading me because, as he put it, he'll do whatever he feels is in the best interest of the organization.

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"At the end of the meeting, he wasn't like, 'Jay, I want you as our quarterback, you're our guy.' It felt like the opposite. He basically said that I needed to tell him if we can't work this out, to let him know. I thought he was antagonizing me and that was disappointing because I was ready to move on, committed as a Bronco. Really, I figured we'd hash things out, shake hands, laugh a little and move forward. What happened [Saturday] was the last thing I expected. If I didn't think it could be fixed, I never would have come back to Denver. It was painfully obvious to me and Bus [Cook, his agent] it's not something they want to fix."

Consequently, Cutler instructed Cook, who also attended the meeting, to formally request a trade. The quarterback said he left town late Sunday and would skip McDaniels' first team meeting on Monday as they begin their off-season program.

Broncos owner Pat Bowlen told the Denver Post on Sunday that he was disappointed with how Cutler has handled the situation. In a telephone interview with ESPN, McDaniels was reluctantly expansive on the story.

"I realy have wanted to avoided a he-said, she-said thing but it's only fair for us to present the Bronco side of the story rather than let things get taken out of context," said McDaniels. "There's been a pattern here for the past two weeks the way things [have been represented] in our communications. I don't think anythng that happened [Saturday] was out of the ordinary. At the end of the meeting, Jay said he had thought about things quite a bit and requested a few more hours to mull things over. He said he wanted to talk to Bus on how to proceed. He was gonna call me on my cell phone and that never happened. Instead, Bus called [GM] Brian [Xanders].

"Again, I think that's been a pattern. I couldn't get [Cutler] to talk to me for two weeks or to talk to Mr. Bowlen. Then when he came here this weekend, we couldn't get a one-on-one meeting, just me and him alone. He wanted Bus in there, so I had Brian sit in, too. And it was the four of us, there wasn't any yelling, none of that. I can't believe we get to a totally different [interpretation].

"It's an unfortunate set of circumstances that has cropped up, a potential distraction and we've done our best to limit that. The main message I want to get out is that we're excited to start our off-season program [Monday]. It's an exciting time for us."

Cutler won't be present at the team meeting.

"I certainly went back there, expecting I'd be there [Monday] but not now," said Cutler. "It's not mandatory. I'll attend every mandatory mini-camp and training camp but that's it. Really, it's best for me to move on. As coach said, he needs every eye in the meeting room to be on him and not me."

As McDaniels pointed out, Cutler had a completely different expectation when he left their private meeting on Saturday.

Cutler said, "You know, even after the meeting, I hung around town, kind of expecting him to call me and say, 'Hey, let's just me and you get away and have lunch or a cup of coffee' and mend things but that didn't happen. So, I get it, really, it's a business. I'm disappointed beause I love being a Bronco but I think it's run its course."

Cutler denied recent reports that he had asked to be traded when the Broncos fired offensive coordinator Jeremy Bates.

"Yes, I was upset when they let Jeremy go because Mr. Bowlen had assured me when Mike [Shanahan] was fired that the offense wouldn't change because [it] was the second-ranked offense in football," said Cutler. "But I didn't push for a trade then."

McDaniels and Cutler agreed on at least one element of the controversy, knocking down a Sunday report on NFL Network that the coach had criticized the quarterback's play in 2008.

"That just isn't true," said McDaniels. "Not a word has been said about that."

Cutler added, "Josh has never said anything negative to me about my play or anything else, for that matter."

McDaniels admitted that the team got involved in trade discussions for Cassel, who instead was dealt to the Kansas City Chiefs. However, he said any perception Cutler felt that the team could still trade him was misleading.

"That's what we have communicated ever since the deal with Cassel didn't happen," said McDaniels. "Other teams have called but we're not interested in getting draft picks for Jay. I never made a statement [Saturday] that 'you can be traded at any time.' They asked a question and I told them it was the time of year when people inquire about your team. Your job, as a head coach and general manager, is to listen and not bypass any opportunity to help your team improve. I think most people [in the NFL] feel the same way. You make smart, educated decisions that are best for your football team."

Cutler feels like McDaniels lost his credibility with him when he initially denied to the quarterback that the Broncos tried to acquire Cassel only to admit it later.

"Before this trade for Cassel thing ever came up, in the two weeks or so I had spent with McDaniels, he was basically telling me that he came to Denver because he wanted to coach me and that we needed to trust each other," said Cutler. "He's never been critical to me. But trust now? How can I trust him now?"

He also explained that his house being placed for sale on the market was "nothing more than a coincidence."

"I had already shown my house privately to some interested buyers a couple of months ago," said Cutler. "I've really been looking to buy 40 to 70 acres of land there."

As for ignoring phone calls from McDaniels and Bowlen, Cutler said, "Josh and I have exchanged text messages. We had a conference call. And if Pat wanted to speak to me, why didn't he come to the meeting on Saturday?"

Cook said that as an agent he was "totally in shock" that it has gotten so ugly.

"I would have bet my house going into Saturday's meeting that everyone would be shaking hands and smiling," said Cook. "I thought it was going to get worked out. But it was very clear to me that Jay Cutler is not their choice to be quarterback of that team."

Yet Cook admitted that when he called Xanders to request a trade on Saturday night, the team's general manager said it wasn't going to happen and that "Jay should show up Monday."

That wasn't going to happen, either.

Chris Mortensen is a senior NFL analyst for ESPN.

Killericon
03-15-2009, 10:15 PM
I just want it to be over.

BroncoBuff
03-15-2009, 10:18 PM
WOW ... just wow.

Let's hear from all the Josh apologists now.


I say we run Josh outta town on a rail ..... he's drunk with power.

montrose
03-15-2009, 10:18 PM
Wow.

Rohirrim
03-15-2009, 10:19 PM
Oh boy, Hamburger Bill. So, Bill is saying that Jay expected McD to call him for a cup of coffee and just shake hands, but he's also saying that Jay wouldn't show up without his agent? Which one is it, Bill?

NFLBRONCO
03-15-2009, 10:21 PM
Funny he can't talk to Denver but, he sure can to ESPN Vic etc.

Florida_Bronco
03-15-2009, 10:22 PM
WOW ... just wow.

Let's hear from all the Josh apologists now.


I say we run Josh outta town on a rail ..... he's drunk with power.

I agree.

Throughout this whole mess, I wasn't going to take anyone's side. Then when it first came out Jay left town I was pissed and ready to move on.

Now with this...I'd say it looks like Cutler is the one who has been wronged.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
03-15-2009, 10:22 PM
**** you, Jay. **** you very much.

Enjoy Detroit, you ungrateful asshole.

24champ
03-15-2009, 10:22 PM
**** you McDouche.

BroncoBuff
03-15-2009, 10:22 PM
This is pretty much what I've been saying all along ... by the way!!!

It's not about being traded ... it's about being lied to.
.

brncobrett
03-15-2009, 10:22 PM
I just want it to be over.

No kiddin.....

Arkansas Bronco
03-15-2009, 10:24 PM
Im staying on Cutlers side still. You McD lovers might want to watch the Pats.

Lestat
03-15-2009, 10:24 PM
SOB and i was gonna buy a Cutler Broncos jersey this season. guess it's Dawkins or bust now.

BroncoBuff
03-15-2009, 10:24 PM
This is not even about a quarterback's ego .... even guys like Nate Webster and Karl Paymah deserve honesty.

Dagmar
03-15-2009, 10:24 PM
WOW ... just wow.

Let's hear from all the Josh apologists now.


I say we run Josh outta town on a rail ..... he's drunk with power.

Again, I think that's been a pattern. I couldn't get [Cutler] to talk to me for two weeks or to talk to Mr. Bowlen. Then when he came here this weekend, we couldn't get a one-on-one meeting, just me and him alone. He wanted Bus in there, so I had Brian sit in, too. And it was the four of us, there wasn't any yelling, none of that. I can't believe we get to a totally different [interpretation].

broncos-rock
03-15-2009, 10:25 PM
its still about money, wake me up when this **** is over!

spdirty
03-15-2009, 10:25 PM
And Pat wasnt at the meeting. ****ing brilliant.

ZONA
03-15-2009, 10:25 PM
Well the good news in all of this is that Jay is smart enough to show up for mandatory camp and will probably play for Denver next season. The two may not trust each other but neither did Elway and Reeves and they went to 3 superbowls.

McD said he will NOT trade Cutler for picks and Cutler said he will show up for mandatory camps so I honestly think he will be playing for Denver and you know what they say, time can heal all wounds.

I'm not gonna pick sides here because to me, it truly does look like a misunderstanding of each other.

As for Schef - who care's. He's gone anyway.

SoCalBronco
03-15-2009, 10:26 PM
There will be no peace until McDaniels is gone.

Mogulseeker
03-15-2009, 10:26 PM
Yet Cook admitted that when he called Xanders to request a trade on Saturday night, the team's general manager said it wasn't going to happen and that "Jay should show up Monday."


No trade.

worm
03-15-2009, 10:26 PM
Both sides look pretty ****ing stupid.

Man-Goblin
03-15-2009, 10:27 PM
WOW ... just wow.

Let's hear from all the Josh apologists now.


I say we run Josh outta town on a rail ..... he's drunk with power.

C'mon Buff. I like you, man, but how can you argue with this quote?

"Other teams have called but we're not interested in getting draft picks for Jay. I never made a statement [Saturday] that 'you can be traded at any time.' They asked a question and I told them it was the time of year when people inquire about your team. Your job, as a head coach and general manager, is to listen and not bypass any opportunity to help your team improve. I think most people [in the NFL] feel the same way. You make smart, educated decisions that are best for your football team."

Do you not want your coach looking to improve his team? It's not like his job isn't on the line either. You can argue with his intentions to trade for Cassel all you want, but personally, I want a guy in charge always looking to improve the team.

arghemtee
03-15-2009, 10:28 PM
WOW.

How the hell can anyone defend McDouche? This is ri-****ing-diculous.

McDouche has single-handedly set us back 10 years because he wants a QB that "He can build".

McDaniels has the ego, not Cutler.

F*** YOU MCDOUCHE!

spdirty
03-15-2009, 10:28 PM
These douchebags deserve to be fired on the spot for this bull****, and they would be if we had an owner with any balls.

MplsBronco
03-15-2009, 10:30 PM
Cutler is full of ****. Even if the Broncos don't want him why would they f it up so bad that they would be left in this situation. Makes absolutely no sense.

Listen to what McD is saying. There's been a pattern here on behalf of Cutler. The Broncos haven't been talking about it publicly. All the BS and misrepresentation is coming from Cutler.

manchambo
03-15-2009, 10:31 PM
Just a thought on how to figure our who to believe in this situation:

Cutler is saying very specific things about what was said. McDaniels really isn't, but instead is denying the overall gist and saying he doesn't understand how Cutler is taking what he's taking out of the conversations. It's easier to lie in generalities than specifics.

And, of course, Cutler denies that McDaniels has ever criticized him. If he was going to lie about the rest of it, why would he tell the truth about that?

And another point. I think Cutler wanting to bring Bus is understandable. He's making a huge decision based on what he gets out of conversations with people who, rightly or wrongly, he doen't trust. I would want someone else in the room for a second opinion, too.

socalorado
03-15-2009, 10:31 PM
OH shiest.
DRAMA! ENDLESS DRAMA!

arghemtee
03-15-2009, 10:31 PM
Do you not want your coach looking to improve his team? It's not like his job isn't on the line either. You can argue with his intentions to trade for Cassel all you want, but personally, I want a guy in charge always looking to improve the team.

So trading your Franchise QB for a QB with zero talent that played within the system is improving a team?

McDouche just wanted someone he could claim he built up. Cutler suceeds, it's Mike Shanahan getting the credit, not McDouche.

epicSocialism4tw
03-15-2009, 10:31 PM
There will be no peace until McDaniels is gone.

Yeah, his initial stint with the team looks about like the disaster opening salvo of the Obama administration.

BroncoBuff
03-15-2009, 10:32 PM
All the Josh apologists are MIA now ... :~ohyah!:

It's sad, though ... I'll have to figure out how to be a fan this year, it won't come easy.

lostknight
03-15-2009, 10:32 PM
this is damning on both sides. In particular, why on earth should McDaniels be pissed that Cook called Xanders. Xanders is GM. You aren't deal with it. Cutler on the other hand is pissed that he has gotten zero advanced warning, and some significant broken promises, not the least of which is the offensive system.

I would wish a pox on both their houses, but they live in our house - mile high - and we pay their salary, and now we have to deal with their stupidity.

Can someone please find a grown up?

BigPlayShay
03-15-2009, 10:32 PM
Sigh......

Killericon
03-15-2009, 10:33 PM
There will be no peace until McDaniels is gone.

I'm thinking tomorrow meeting is gonna be McDaniels attempting to figure out who's on his side and who's on Cutler's, so that he can wheel and deal accordingly. This offseason is like freaking FFVI, man. Right when you get to the 'final' boss and you think you're out of the woods, the ****ing jester comes out of nowhere and takes over the world, forcing you to start all over again.

Lestat
03-15-2009, 10:33 PM
this could have been solved with one thing. Bowlen telling them both to shut up and do their jobs that he pays them for.

spdirty
03-15-2009, 10:33 PM
All the Josh apologists are MIA now ... :~ohyah!:

It's sad, though ... I'll have to figure out how to be a fan this year, it won't come easy.

continue to be a fan of the Broncos, just dont support them with your wallet.

Kaylore
03-15-2009, 10:33 PM
It's funny the reactions. This just confirmed everything to me. Cutler was never upset, at least not about this incident. He wanted out once Bates was fired. I think he resents McDaniels in that sense, but notice how Cook is the go-to guy on this. Notice how Cutler won't do anything without Cook. This is all Bus Cook angling for a pay-day.

Cutler's dead to me. I'm 100% behind McDaniels on this. This is all just a shake-down job on the organization. Bye-bye Jay. You can go get your ass drunk and lose games that need to be won for some other team. Kiss my ass.

And you Cutler nob-suckers can go with him.

arghemtee
03-15-2009, 10:34 PM
Cutler is full of ****. Even if the Broncos don't want him why would they f it up so bad that they would be left in this situation. Makes absolutely no sense.

Listen to what McD is saying. There's been a pattern here on behalf of Cutler. The Broncos haven't been talking about it publicly. All the BS and misrepresentation is coming from Cutler.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Man-Goblin
03-15-2009, 10:34 PM
So trading your Franchise QB for a QB with zero talent that played within the system is improving a team?

McDouche just wanted someone he could claim he built up. Cutler suceeds, it's Mike Shanahan getting the credit, not McDouche.

That's such crap. Cutler DIDN'T succeed with Shanahan. He was 17-20.

You honestly think McDaniels is going to care one bit who he wins with if he wins?

Archer81
03-15-2009, 10:34 PM
And on and on it goes...


:Broncos:

MplsBronco
03-15-2009, 10:35 PM
It's funny the reactions. This just confirmed everything to me. Cutler was never upset, at least not about this incident. He wanted out once Bates was fired. I think he resents McDaniels in that sense, but notice how Cook is the go-to guy on this. Notice how Cutler won't do anything without Cook. This is all Bus Cook angling for a pay-day.

Cutler's dead to me. I'm 100% behind McDaniels on this. This is all just a shake-down job on the organization. Bye-bye Jay. You can go get your ass drunk and lose games that need to be won for some other team. Kiss my ass.

And you Cutler nob-suckers can go with him.

WORD!

spdirty
03-15-2009, 10:35 PM
It's funny the reactions. This just confirmed everything to me. Cutler was never upset, at least not about this incident. He wanted out once Bates was fired. I think he resents McDaniels in that sense, but notice how Cook is the go-to guy on this. Notice how Cutler won't do anything without Cook. This is all Bus Cook angling for a pay-day.

Cutler's dead to me. I'm 100% behind McDaniels on this. This is all just a shake-down job on the organization. Bye-bye Jay. You can go get your ass drunk and lose games that need to be won for some other team. Kiss my ass.

And you Cutler nob-suckers can go with him.

And you McD nob suckers can go off and get excited about who we will get with a top 5 pick every year.

Hercules Rockefeller
03-15-2009, 10:35 PM
Jay won't take calls for 2 weeks and then all of sudden expects McD to call him up to go for a cup of coffee? Apparently they need to cater to all of Jay's needs 24-7.

and since someone has already called out Williamson, I feel it's only fair to point out that this article was by Mort. So direct any writer-hatred at him.

Florida_Bronco
03-15-2009, 10:35 PM
It's funny the reactions. This just confirmed everything to me. Cutler was never upset, at least not about this incident. He wanted out once Bates was fired. I think he resents McDaniels in that sense, but notice how Cook is the go-to guy on this. Notice how Cutler won't do anything without Cook. This is all Bus Cook angling for a pay-day.

Cutler's dead to me. I'm 100% behind McDaniels on this. This is all just a shake-down job on the organization. Bye-bye Jay. You can go get your ass drunk and lose games that need to be won for some other team. Kiss my ass.

And you Cutler nob-suckers can go with him.

Cutler denied recent reports that he had asked to be traded when the Broncos fired offensive coordinator Jeremy Bates.

"Yes, I was upset when they let Jeremy go because Mr. Bowlen had assured me when Mike [Shanahan] was fired that the offense wouldn't change because [it] was the second-ranked offense in football," said Cutler. "But I didn't push for a trade then."

???

Natedogg
03-15-2009, 10:37 PM
All the Josh apologists are MIA now ... :~ohyah!:

It's sad, though ... I'll have to figure out how to be a fan this year, it won't come easy.

i'm a bit surprised with you on this one buff. seems to me that cutler is lying.

Who do you think originally leaked that mcdaniels criticized cutler's play in 2008? A leak that both mcdaniels and cutler now deny.

That answer tells a lot.

PaintballCLE
03-15-2009, 10:38 PM
hmmmmmmmm so was it just a coincidence plummer had a meeting with bowlen last week????? LOL

arghemtee
03-15-2009, 10:38 PM
That's such crap. Cutler DIDN'T succeed with Shanahan. He was 17-20.

You honestly think McDaniels is going to care one bit who he wins with if he wins?

Cutler did succeed. The team as a whole didn't succeed. If Shanahan gave the offense a defense, we would have been in the playoffs.

Dudeskey
03-15-2009, 10:38 PM
its still about money, wake me up when this **** is over!

Agreed...

lex
03-15-2009, 10:39 PM
"I went in there with every intention of solving the issue, being a Bronco, moving forward as a Bronco," said Cutler. "We weren't in there but about 20 minutes, [McDaniels] did most of the talking and as far as I'm concerned, he made it clear he wants his own guy. He admitted he wanted Matt Cassel because he said he has raised him up from the ground as a quarterback. He said he wasn't sorry about it. He made it clear that he could still entertain trading me because, as he put it, he'll do whatever he feels is in the best interest of the organization.

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"At the end of the meeting, he wasn't like, 'Jay, I want you as our quarterback, you're our guy.' It felt like the opposite. He basically said that I needed to tell him if we can't work this out, to let him know. I thought he was antagonizing me and that was disappointing because I was ready to move on, committed as a Bronco. Really, I figured we'd hash things out, shake hands, laugh a little and move forward. What happened [Saturday] was the last thing I expected. If I didn't think it could be fixed, I never would have come back to Denver. It was painfully obvious to me and Bus [Cook, his agent] it's not something they want to fix."

Consequently, Cutler instructed Cook, who also attended the meeting, to formally request a trade. The quarterback said he left town late Sunday and would skip McDaniels' first team meeting on Monday as they begin their off-season program.

Broncos owner Pat Bowlen told the Denver Post on Sunday that he was disappointed with how Cutler has handled the situation. In a telephone interview with ESPN, McDaniels was reluctantly expansive on the story.

"I realy have wanted to avoided a he-said, she-said thing but it's only fair for us to present the Bronco side of the story rather than let things get taken out of context," said McDaniels. "There's been a pattern here for the past two weeks the way things [have been represented] in our communications. I don't think anythng that happened [Saturday] was out of the ordinary. At the end of the meeting, Jay said he had thought about things quite a bit and requested a few more hours to mull things over. He said he wanted to talk to Bus on how to proceed. He was gonna call me on my cell phone and that never happened. Instead, Bus called [GM] Brian [Xanders].

"Again, I think that's been a pattern. I couldn't get [Cutler] to talk to me for two weeks or to talk to Mr. Bowlen. Then when he came here this weekend, we couldn't get a one-on-one meeting, just me and him alone. He wanted Bus in there, so I had Brian sit in, too. And it was the four of us, there wasn't any yelling, none of that. I can't believe we get to a totally different [interpretation].

"It's an unfortunate set of circumstances that has cropped up, a potential distraction and we've done our best to limit that. The main message I want to get out is that we're excited to start our off-season program [Monday]. It's an exciting time for us."

Cutler won't be present at the team meeting.

"I certainly went back there, expecting I'd be there [Monday] but not now," said Cutler. "It's not mandatory. I'll attend every mandatory mini-camp and training camp but that's it. Really, it's best for me to move on. As coach said, he needs every eye in the meeting room to be on him and not me."

As McDaniels pointed out, Cutler had a completely different expectation when he left their private meeting on Saturday.

Cutler said, "You know, even after the meeting, I hung around town, kind of expecting him to call me and say, 'Hey, let's just me and you get away and have lunch or a cup of coffee' and mend things but that didn't happen. So, I get it, really, it's a business. I'm disappointed beause I love being a Bronco but I think it's run its course."

Cutler denied recent reports that he had asked to be traded when the Broncos fired offensive coordinator Jeremy Bates.

"Yes, I was upset when they let Jeremy go because Mr. Bowlen had assured me when Mike [Shanahan] was fired that the offense wouldn't change because [it] was the second-ranked offense in football," said Cutler. "But I didn't push for a trade then."

McDaniels and Cutler agreed on at least one element of the controversy, knocking down a Sunday report on NFL Network that the coach had criticized the quarterback's play in 2008.

"That just isn't true," said McDaniels. "Not a word has been said about that."

Cutler added, "Josh has never said anything negative to me about my play or anything else, for that matter."

McDaniels admitted that the team got involved in trade discussions for Cassel, who instead was dealt to the Kansas City Chiefs. However, he said any perception Cutler felt that the team could still trade him was misleading.

"That's what we have communicated ever since the deal with Cassel didn't happen," said McDaniels. "Other teams have called but we're not interested in getting draft picks for Jay. I never made a statement [Saturday] that 'you can be traded at any time.' They asked a question and I told them it was the time of year when people inquire about your team. Your job, as a head coach and general manager, is to listen and not bypass any opportunity to help your team improve. I think most people [in the NFL] feel the same way. You make smart, educated decisions that are best for your football team."

Cutler feels like McDaniels lost his credibility with him when he initially denied to the quarterback that the Broncos tried to acquire Cassel only to admit it later.

"Before this trade for Cassel thing ever came up, in the two weeks or so I had spent with McDaniels, he was basically telling me that he came to Denver because he wanted to coach me and that we needed to trust each other," said Cutler. "He's never been critical to me. But trust now? How can I trust him now?"

He also explained that his house being placed for sale on the market was "nothing more than a coincidence."

"I had already shown my house privately to some interested buyers a couple of months ago," said Cutler. "I've really been looking to buy 40 to 70 acres of land there."

As for ignoring phone calls from McDaniels and Bowlen, Cutler said, "Josh and I have exchanged text messages. We had a conference call. And if Pat wanted to speak to me, why didn't he come to the meeting on Saturday?"

Cook said that as an agent he was "totally in shock" that it has gotten so ugly.

"I would have bet my house going into Saturday's meeting that everyone would be shaking hands and smiling," said Cook. "I thought it was going to get worked out. But it was very clear to me that Jay Cutler is not their choice to be quarterback of that team."

Yet Cook admitted that when he called Xanders to request a trade on Saturday night, the team's general manager said it wasn't going to happen and that "Jay should show up Monday."

That wasn't going to happen, either.

Chris Mortensen is a senior NFL analyst for ESPN.

Once again, this goes back to how spineless Bowlen has been.

ZONA
03-15-2009, 10:39 PM
This article is the first I've seen with so many details and the conclusion I drew is that both sides are really blown away by how the other side is seeing this. Both are clearly saying they want it to work out but the language is just not matching up or something.


I honestly don't see how any of you are pro Cutler or Pro McD after reading this. My guess is you already had your side picked out and you see what you want to see in this article and it only strengthens your story. How can you not come to the conclusion that this is a hugely over exaggerated situation.

Cutler says he was ready to go back and he fully expected to work thing out. So that tells me he must be over the fact the Broncos wanted to trade him or the fact he thinks the Broncos lied to him. He was ready to trust them again so to speak. But we have guys on here saying Cutler is still upset about being lied to. That's a flat out total inaccurate assumption based on what came out of Cutler's own mouth. If he was ready to be here and move on, then he was ready to move on. McD stating that he will NOT take any picks for Cutler and will NOT trade him sounds to me like he WANTS Cutler. To me, both sides are saying they want the same thing. It's miscommunication and that's it. It's not rocket science. I mean, wars have been started over less.

I think the two sides work it out. Jay will get a new deal and be the Broncos QB.

So stop with the Good Bye Jay talk and stop the Josh bashing. Cutler is staying, I'd put money on it.

Rohirrim
03-15-2009, 10:39 PM
All the Josh apologists are MIA now ... :~ohyah!:

It's sad, though ... I'll have to figure out how to be a fan this year, it won't come easy.

Josh apologists? Are you joining SoCal in the melodrama boat? What are they putting in the water out there on the Left Coast? Cutler leaves Denver, tells the Broncos to stuff it, then runs right to Burger Bill and ESPN and what do you do? Open your mouth and prepare to swallow. Man, rent some distance. It's probably true that this won't work for Jay and he will be forced to play out his contract. If not, I can't wait to hear how he unloads once he's gone. It will be an emopalooza! :~ohyah!:

Edit: Or Mortensen. Whatever.

TallyBronco
03-15-2009, 10:40 PM
Did any of you actually read the article?

Cutler refused to meet with the coach mano-a-mano.

lostknight
03-15-2009, 10:41 PM
avoided a he-said, she-said thing but it's only fair for us to present the Bronco side of the story rather than let things get taken out of context," said McDaniels.

You are not the broncos sir. You are it's coach

Cutler denied recent reports that he had asked to be traded when the Broncos fired offensive coordinator Jeremy Bates.

"Yes, I was upset when they let Jeremy go because Mr. Bowlen had assured me when Mike [Shanahan] was fired that the offense wouldn't change because [it] was the second-ranked offense in football," said Cutler. "But I didn't push for a trade then."


So I wonder who pushed this lie?


McDaniels and Cutler agreed on at least one element of the controversy, knocking down a Sunday report on NFL Network that the coach had criticized the quarterback's play in 2008.


And this one. This has been point number one in the Jay is a crybaby meme.



McDaniels admitted that the team got involved in trade discussions for Cassel, who instead was dealt to the Kansas City Chiefs. However, he said any perception Cutler felt that the team could still trade him was misleading.


The Broncos did a blanket denial. We know that it was not true. If I found out my boss had talked about firing me with a outside person, and then had it denied to my face when I didn't know about it, I would be pretty pissed too.

Your job, as a head coach and general manager, is to listen and not bypass any opportunity to help your team improve. I think most people [in the NFL] feel the same way. You make smart, educated decisions that are best for your football team."

Just in case anyone wonders who the real GM is in the Broncos.


Cutler feels like McDaniels lost his credibility with him when he initially denied to the quarterback that the Broncos tried to acquire Cassel only to admit it later.


They did. And their actions since have caused Jay's market to go significantly down.


He also explained that his house being placed for sale on the market was "nothing more than a coincidence."

"I had already shown my house privately to some interested buyers a couple of months ago," said Cutler. "I've really been looking to buy 40 to 70 acres of land there."


This I don't buy. Or rather, I don't buy his parents being a fluke. I can believe the 50 to 70 acres, because it would stop the press from hounding him.

But it was very clear to me that Jay Cutler is not their choice to be quarterback of that team."
And you are a slime ball.


Yet Cook admitted that when he called Xanders to request a trade on Saturday night, the team's general manager said it wasn't going to happen and that "Jay should show up Monday."

A pox on you and McDaniels and Xanders. The ones getting hurt are the Denver Fans.

halfcreek
03-15-2009, 10:41 PM
Cutler is full of ****. Even if the Broncos don't want him why would they f it up so bad that they would be left in this situation. Makes absolutely no sense.

Listen to what McD is saying. There's been a pattern here on behalf of Cutler. The Broncos haven't been talking about it publicly. All the BS and misrepresentation is coming from Cutler.

At the end of the meeting, Cutler had to talk to Cook, who has been Cooking up this ever since Shanahan got canned.

Archer81
03-15-2009, 10:42 PM
Cutler did succeed. The team as a whole didn't succeed. If Shanahan gave the offense a defense, we would have been in the playoffs.


Yet he didnt.

New page for everybody it seems.


:Broncos:

Blueflame
03-15-2009, 10:42 PM
this is damning on both sides. In particular, why on earth should McDaniels be pissed that Cook called Xanders. Xanders is GM. You aren't deal with it. Cutler on the other hand is pissed that he has gotten zero advanced warning, and some significant broken promises, not the least of which is the offensive system.

I would wish a pox on both their houses, but they live in our house - mile high - and we pay their salary, and now we have to deal with their stupidity.

Can someone please find a grown up?

Isn't Bowlen supposed to be the adult here? I mean it's his $$ and credibility on the line....

MplsBronco
03-15-2009, 10:45 PM
Did any of you actually read the article?

Cutler refused to meet with the coach mano-a-mano.

Yeah, reading comprehension seems to be at a minimum around here.

Popps
03-15-2009, 10:46 PM
Yep, he-said, she said.

Both sides sound like they're a little full of ****, but Cutler still sounds more full of ****, to me.

The team called him in for a meeting to tell him they wanted him to stay in Denver... Denver insisted they had no interest in trading him. They've stated from the beginning that he's not for sale.

People are just going to believe what they want to believe, here... but if Cutler wanted to be a Bronco, and the Broncos want him to be a broncos... why isn't he?

Someone is lying, and the Broncos have no upside in lying if they don't want to trade him.

So, who's that leave?

Gort
03-15-2009, 10:47 PM
It's funny the reactions. This just confirmed everything to me. Cutler was never upset, at least not about this incident. He wanted out once Bates was fired. I think he resents McDaniels in that sense, but notice how Cook is the go-to guy on this. Notice how Cutler won't do anything without Cook. This is all Bus Cook angling for a pay-day.

Cutler's dead to me. I'm 100% behind McDaniels on this. This is all just a shake-down job on the organization. Bye-bye Jay. You can go get your ass drunk and lose games that need to be won for some other team. Kiss my ass.

And you Cutler nob-suckers can go with him.

post. of. the. day. :thumbs:

Rohirrim
03-15-2009, 10:47 PM
Yep, he-said, she said.

Both sides sound like they're a little full of ****, but Cutler still sounds more full of ****, to me.

The team called him in for a meeting to tell him they wanted him to stay in Denver... Denver insisted they had no interest in trading him. They've stated from the beginning that he's not for sale.

People are just going to believe what they want to believe, here... but if Cutler wanted to be a Bronco, and the Broncos want him to be a broncos... why isn't he?

Someone is lying, and the Broncos have no upside in lying if they don't want to trade him.

So, who's that leave?

Probably the one who runs to the press at every opportunity.

Sassy
03-15-2009, 10:48 PM
Isn't Bowlen supposed to be the adult here? I mean it's his $$ and credibility on the line....


Then why the hell wasn't he there??

As for ignoring phone calls from McDaniels and Bowlen, Cutler said, "Josh and I have exchanged text messages. We had a conference call. And if Pat wanted to speak to me, why didn't he come to the meeting on Saturday?

HEAV
03-15-2009, 10:48 PM
It's funny the reactions. This just confirmed everything to me. Cutler was never upset, at least not about this incident. He wanted out once Bates was fired. I think he resents McDaniels in that sense, but notice how Cook is the go-to guy on this. Notice how Cutler won't do anything without Cook. This is all Bus Cook angling for a pay-day.

Cutler's dead to me. I'm 100% behind McDaniels on this. This is all just a shake-down job on the organization. Bye-bye Jay. You can go get your ass drunk and lose games that need to be won for some other team. Kiss my ass.

And you Cutler nob-suckers can go with him.


Couldn't have said it better!

worm
03-15-2009, 10:48 PM
McDaniels and Cutler agreed on at least one element of the controversy, knocking down a Sunday report on NFL Network that the coach had criticized the quarterback's play in 2008.

"That just isn't true," said McDaniels. "Not a word has been said about that."

Cutler added, "Josh has never said anything negative to me about my play or anything else, for that matter."

I want to know where the facts from this past story came from. Did the reporter just make it up? Did Bus leak lies thinking he wouldn't get called out on it.

SOMEBODY is lying....and this time it isn't McD or Jay. The one with the biggest motive...is Bus.

summerdenver
03-15-2009, 10:48 PM
It's funny the reactions. This just confirmed everything to me. Cutler was never upset, at least not about this incident. He wanted out once Bates was fired. I think he resents McDaniels in that sense, but notice how Cook is the go-to guy on this. Notice how Cutler won't do anything without Cook. This is all Bus Cook angling for a pay-day.

Cutler's dead to me. I'm 100% behind McDaniels on this. This is all just a shake-down job on the organization. Bye-bye Jay. You can go get your ass drunk and lose games that need to be won for some other team. Kiss my ass.

And you Cutler nob-suckers can go with him.

If Culter's is doing this to get a new contract or to land in a different place, how can you hate him for that? I thought Jay Mac has every right to trade for Cassel if he is more comfortable with him. How come the same rules don't apply to culter. If he is not comfortable with coach Mac, why should he not try to leave.

At this point you are doing the same thing that you accused of others K - inventing reasons to hate Jay.

Popps
03-15-2009, 10:49 PM
Cutler added, "Josh has never said anything negative to me about my play or anything else, for that matter."

Really, but I thought you said he didn't want you as the QB in Denver, Jay?

Better get back with Bus and get your stories straight, junior.

Archer81
03-15-2009, 10:49 PM
Yep, he-said, she said.

Both sides sound like they're a little full of ****, but Cutler still sounds more full of ****, to me.

The team called him in for a meeting to tell him they wanted him to stay in Denver... Denver insisted they had no interest in trading him. They've stated from the beginning that he's not for sale.

People are just going to believe what they want to believe, here... but if Cutler wanted to be a Bronco, and the Broncos want him to be a broncos... why isn't he?

Someone is lying, and the Broncos have no upside in lying if they don't want to trade him.


So, who's that leave?



Can only lead a horse to water...


:Broncos:

montrose
03-15-2009, 10:49 PM
I honestly don't see how any of you are pro Cutler or Pro McD after reading this.

This article made me see major faults on both sides. My loyalty lies with the Broncos and not a given player. I'm not really sure what to believe at this point. I just don't want this to drag out, which is exactly what I see happening.

Man-Goblin
03-15-2009, 10:49 PM
Cutler did succeed. The team as a whole didn't succeed. If Shanahan gave the offense a defense, we would have been in the playoffs.

And they're going to win with Cutler peaking with 25 and 18 picks every year. Riiiiight.

If Cutler shows any improvement, even not statistical improvement, McDaniels would receive plenty of props. But that's not the point.

How many freaking times do they have to tell the guy they aren't going to trade him, that they don't want to trade him, that they don't want draft picks for him. The Cassel thing is over; yet Jay still can't get it through his thick skull that it's time to move on.

MplsBronco
03-15-2009, 10:49 PM
Yep, he-said, she said.

Both sides sound like they're a little full of ****, but Cutler still sounds more full of ****, to me.

The team called him in for a meeting to tell him they wanted him to stay in Denver... Denver insisted they had no interest in trading him. They've stated from the beginning that he's not for sale.

People are just going to believe what they want to believe, here... but if Cutler wanted to be a Bronco, and the Broncos want him to be a broncos... why isn't he?

Someone is lying, and the Broncos have no upside in lying if they don't want to trade him.

So, who's that leave?

Exactly, what's the upside for the Broncos in antagonizing and alienating Jay in such a blatant way as Jay proclaims. Makes absolutely no sense. Jay is full of ****!!!

spdirty
03-15-2009, 10:49 PM
I think the two sides work it out. Jay will get a new deal and be the Broncos QB.

God I hope your right. My opinion is I hope like hell that when shanny gets a job next year bowlen will fire mcdaniels, we get a new coach with some INTEGRITY AND COMMON SENSE, and Cutler retires a Bronco.

Popps
03-15-2009, 10:49 PM
Did any of you actually read the article?

Cutler refused to meet with the coach mano-a-mano.

Yep. Had to bring his agent.

Gosh, I wonder why that might have been?

epicSocialism4tw
03-15-2009, 10:50 PM
Once again, this goes back to how spineless Bowlen has been.

Yep.

The guy hired a couple of clowns to run his franchise.

Denver Broncos Football is now a joke because of it.

SouthStndJunkie
03-15-2009, 10:51 PM
As for ignoring phone calls from McDaniels and Bowlen, Cutler said, "Josh and I have exchanged text messages. We had a conference call. And if Pat wanted to speak to me, why didn't he come to the meeting on Saturday?"

Nice Pat....the most important meeting for your franchise in quite some time and you sat in your office and played Elf Bowling on the computer.

epicSocialism4tw
03-15-2009, 10:51 PM
Yep, he-said, she said.

Both sides sound like they're a little full of ****, but Cutler still sounds more full of ****, to me.

The team called him in for a meeting to tell him they wanted him to stay in Denver... Denver insisted they had no interest in trading him. They've stated from the beginning that he's not for sale.

People are just going to believe what they want to believe, here... but if Cutler wanted to be a Bronco, and the Broncos want him to be a broncos... why isn't he?

Someone is lying, and the Broncos have no upside in lying if they don't want to trade him.

So, who's that leave?


Nah, it appears as though McDaniels wanted freakin' Matt Cassell.

Now the franchise is a joke because of it.

SoCalBronco
03-15-2009, 10:52 PM
My loyalty lies with the Broncos and not a given player. .

That is perfectly proper. But don't confuse the head coach with "the Broncos". He's merely another individual. He does not represent the team. Just as your loyalty does not lie with a player, it also does not lie with its coach.

lex
03-15-2009, 10:52 PM
Yep, he-said, she said.

Both sides sound like they're a little full of ****, but Cutler still sounds more full of ****, to me.

The team called him in for a meeting to tell him they wanted him to stay in Denver... Denver insisted they had no interest in trading him. They've stated from the beginning that he's not for sale.

People are just going to believe what they want to believe, here... but if Cutler wanted to be a Bronco, and the Broncos want him to be a broncos... why isn't he?

Someone is lying, and the Broncos have no upside in lying if they don't want to trade him.

So, who's that leave?

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=2334696&postcount=26

Man-Goblin
03-15-2009, 10:52 PM
And they're going to win with Cutler peaking with 25 and 18 picks every year. Riiiiight.

If Cutler shows any improvement, even not statistical improvement, McDaniels would receive plenty of props. But that's not the point.

How many freaking times do they have to tell the guy they aren't going to trade him, that they don't want to trade him, that they don't want draft picks for him. The Cassel thing is over; yet Jay still can't get it through his thick skull that it's time to move on.

Actually let me clarify. Jay probably does understand this; he just doesn't want to for whatever reason.

Rohirrim
03-15-2009, 10:53 PM
Yep.

The guy hired a couple of clowns to run his franchise.

Denver Broncos Football is now a joke because of it.

What's a drama without a drama queen? :wave:

SoCalBronco
03-15-2009, 10:53 PM
As for ignoring phone calls from McDaniels and Bowlen, Cutler said, "Josh and I have exchanged text messages. We had a conference call. And if Pat wanted to speak to me, why didn't he come to the meeting on Saturday?"

Nice Pat....the most important meeting for your franchise in quite some time and you sat in your office and played Elf Bowling on the computer.

He was probably off piss drunk somewhere snorting coke off a stripper's clit.

Not a surprise in the least that he wasn't there. Not in the least.

Archer81
03-15-2009, 10:53 PM
As for ignoring phone calls from McDaniels and Bowlen, Cutler said, "Josh and I have exchanged text messages. We had a conference call. And if Pat wanted to speak to me, why didn't he come to the meeting on Saturday?"

Nice Pat....the most important meeting for your franchise in quite some time and you sat in your office and played Elf Bowling on the computer.


Bowlen called him twice. Cutler didnt answer. How many times do you try to call someone before you realize they dont wanna talk to you?


:Broncos:

BMarsh615
03-15-2009, 10:53 PM
It's funny the reactions. This just confirmed everything to me. Cutler was never upset, at least not about this incident. He wanted out once Bates was fired. I think he resents McDaniels in that sense, but notice how Cook is the go-to guy on this. Notice how Cutler won't do anything without Cook. This is all Bus Cook angling for a pay-day.

Cutler's dead to me. I'm 100% behind McDaniels on this. This is all just a shake-down job on the organization. Bye-bye Jay. You can go get your ass drunk and lose games that need to be won for some other team. Kiss my ass.

And you Cutler nob-suckers can go with him.
Man **** Josh McDaniels he is just another one of NE's failed assistants. He was NEVER supposed to get as much power as he has, especially not the first year. Who in the **** does this 32 year old punk think he is. He is singlehandedly setting this franchise back 10 years. Now we have to try and find another franchise QB. At least we will have a shot at one in the next two or three years we will have numerous top 5 draft picks.:thumbs:

richpjr
03-15-2009, 10:54 PM
Cutler is either the whiniest, thin skinned little bitch I have ever heard of or else this is all being manipulated by Cook (and it looks an awful lot like what happened with Favre last year in Green Bay), or both of the above.

Gort
03-15-2009, 10:54 PM
I honestly don't see how any of you are pro Cutler or Pro McD after reading this.

it's pretty simple. in the military, you don't see Captains bickering with Colonels about orders. a Captain shuts up and does as he is told. the hierarchy in that system is what's important and must be maintained. superior rank must be respected.

the same is true of an NFL team. no player outranks the head coach. even if the head coach is wrong about something, it's not the player's place to call out the head coach. that's what Cutler is trying to do. it undermines the head coach in the eyes of every other player. it simply cannot be allowed to happen. that's why i'm on McD's side. Cutler has been consistenly in the wrong for the past 2 weeks. he's been insubordinate. he has to be punished. there is no brig in the NFL, but there is detroit! ;)

mr007
03-15-2009, 10:55 PM
Cutler added, "Josh has never said anything negative to me about my play or anything else, for that matter."

Really, but I thought you said he didn't want you as the QB in Denver, Jay?

Better get back with Bus and get your stories straight, junior.

Good god do you ever STFU?

Rohirrim
03-15-2009, 10:55 PM
He was probably off piss drunk somewhere snorting coke off a stripper's clit.

Not a surprise in the least that he wasn't there. Not in the least.

Wow! When you sink into vindictive, mindless hatred, you really let it all go, don't you?

Archer81
03-15-2009, 10:55 PM
Man **** Josh McDaniels he is just another one of NE's failed assistants. He was NEVER supposed to get as much power as he has, especially not the first year. Who in the **** does this 32 year old punk think he is. He is singlehandedly setting this franchise back 10 years. Now we have to try and find another franchise QB. At least we will have a shot at one in the next two or three years we will have a top 5 draft pick.:thumbs:



Failed assistant? He hasnt coached a game yet. This board is crying about a good QB with franchise player potential. He has alot of holes in his game, and frankly his running off to talk to ESPN and not dealing with his HC and GM like a man is why this is the way it is. Better off to send Cutler somewhere else and start fresh with a player who wants to be here. End this stupid ass nonsense and turn the mother ****ing page.


:Broncos:

SouthStndJunkie
03-15-2009, 10:56 PM
Bowlen called him twice. Cutler didnt answer. How many times do you try to call someone before you realize they dont wanna talk to you?


:Broncos:

If I had 17 million dollars invested in him to this point, I would probably call twice and then walk down the meeting room when he was in my complex.

Man-Goblin
03-15-2009, 10:56 PM
Bowlen called him twice. Cutler didnt answer. How many times do you try to call someone before you realize they dont wanna talk to you?


:Broncos:

Yep, and Jay sure did a good job in deflecting the question about him not returning Bowlen's calls. In my mind, that is pretty damn dispicable to not call a guy back who has happily paid you $17 million over the last three years.

Kudos to Mort asking him about it, though.

epicSocialism4tw
03-15-2009, 10:57 PM
Man **** Josh McDaniels he is just another one of NE's failed assistants. He was NEVER supposed to get as much power as he has, especially not the first year. Who in the **** does this 32 year old punk think he is. He is singlehandedly setting this franchise back 10 years. Now we have to try and find another franchise QB. At least we will have a shot at one in the next two or three years we will have numerous top 5 draft picks.:thumbs:

Jay Cutler is the kind of player that you wait years to draft.

Adding insult to injury is the fact that we wrecked an AFC Championship-worthy team and alienated a different QB to get him.

Our management sucks, so I wouldnt hold your breath waiting for another franchise QB to come along.

DenverBrit
03-15-2009, 10:57 PM
Then why the hell wasn't he there??

As for ignoring phone calls from McDaniels and Bowlen, Cutler said, "Josh and I have exchanged text messages. We had a conference call. And if Pat wanted to speak to me, why didn't he come to the meeting on Saturday?

Nice attitude. I thought I read that Bowlen had tried to call Jay, but never received a return call.
Anyway, since when do you tell your boss to turn up to a meeting you're having with another employee if you want to talk??

lex
03-15-2009, 10:58 PM
As for ignoring phone calls from McDaniels and Bowlen, Cutler said, "Josh and I have exchanged text messages. We had a conference call. And if Pat wanted to speak to me, why didn't he come to the meeting on Saturday?"

Nice Pat....the most important meeting for your franchise in quite some time and you sat in your office and played Elf Bowling on the computer.

Because if you remember some of what was said in that conference call, the team said they wanted Jay to meet with McDaniels and they wanted Jay to make the effort to do it. Basically, it seems that the entire FO is cowtowing to McDaniels. It seems that McDaniels is throwing a fit that he wants to show everyone that he wants to strong arm everyone into shape by talking at them and maintaining the same company line, which no one is believing.

ColoradoDarin
03-15-2009, 10:59 PM
WOW.

How the hell can anyone defend McDouche? This is ri-****ing-diculous.

McDouche has single-handedly set us back 10 years because he wants a QB that "He can build".

McDaniels has the ego, not Cutler.

**** YOU MCDOUCHE!

After reading about Bus Cook on Mile High Report, I was wondering if he had hired anyone to go to the different Broncos message boards and post smears against McDaniels, I wouldn't put it past him. Of course it would have to be a bomb-thrower who happened to join right after Shanahan was fired.

I'm not accusing you of anything, of course, just saying some random thought aloud.

Popps
03-15-2009, 10:59 PM
Adding insult to injury is the fact that we wrecked an AFC Championship-worthy team and alienated a different QB to get him.

Our management sucks, so I wouldnt hold your breath waiting for another franchise QB to come along.

Hilarious!

I think you have to actually make the playoffs before you're "championship" quality.

Oh, wait... Shanahan was going to build that defense THIS year, right?

ROFL!

DeusExManning
03-15-2009, 10:59 PM
Clearly Cutler is more credible now.

Man-Goblin
03-15-2009, 11:00 PM
Because if you remember some of what was said in that conference call, the team said they wanted Jay to meet with McDaniels and they wanted Jay to make the effort to do it. Basically, it seems that the entire FO is cowtowing to McDaniels. It seems that McDaniels is throwing a fit that he wants to show everyone that he wants to strong arm everyone into shape by talking at them and maintaining the same company line, which no one is believing.

B.S. McDaniels just said in that article he wanted to meet with Jay ONE-ON-ONE. Jay wouldn't have any part of that because he needed his guardian angel, Bus Cook, there. Why would Bowlen step in at that point when, if there was any civility involved, the meeting would have been between just Cutler and McDaniels.

Popps
03-15-2009, 11:00 PM
Good god do you ever STFU?

Truth hurt?

BMarsh615
03-15-2009, 11:00 PM
Failed assistant? He hasnt coached a game yet. This board is crying about a good QB with franchise player potential. He has alot of holes in his game, and frankly his running off to talk to ESPN and not dealing with his HC and GM like a man is why this is the way it is. Better off to send Cutler somewhere else and start fresh with a player who wants to be here. End this stupid ass nonsense and turn the mother ****ing page.


:Broncos:

Everything was fine in Denver until McDaniels came around. McDaniels isn't just the head coach. He has almost as much power as Shanahan had. He has only been here two months and has already lost our franchise Quarterback. All we needed from our new head coach is for him to bring in a good staff on defense and leave the offense alone. Denver is a disaster right now and I don't see McDaniels digging us out of this hole he put us in.

ol number 7
03-15-2009, 11:01 PM
Im staying on Cutlers side still. You McD lovers might want to watch the Pats.

So Jay now says "he gets it;it's a business."

Did you get paid in monopoly money ?? That statement right there is an insult to everyone who gets up and goes to work in the morning. Hey but after three years the Vandy man finally gets it.

Archer81
03-15-2009, 11:01 PM
Because if you remember some of what was said in that conference call, the team said they wanted Jay to meet with McDaniels and they wanted Jay to make the effort to do it. Basically, it seems that the entire FO is cowtowing to McDaniels. It seems that McDaniels is throwing a fit that he wants to show everyone that he wants to strong arm everyone into shape by talking at them and maintaining the same company line, which no one is believing.


McDaniels telling a player how the team will be run is not throwing a fit. Running to the media and hiding behind your agent and purposely trying to throw public opinion in your favor IS throwing a fit. Every leak has been by Cutler or Cook. Every single one. And twits like you suck it right up.


:Broncos:

ZONA
03-15-2009, 11:01 PM
As for ignoring phone calls from McDaniels and Bowlen, Cutler said, "Josh and I have exchanged text messages. We had a conference call. And if Pat wanted to speak to me, why didn't he come to the meeting on Saturday?"

Nice Pat....the most important meeting for your franchise in quite some time and you sat in your office and played Elf Bowling on the computer.

This was really the thing that upset me most. I think Cutler and McD both want the Jay to play in Denver but the language is just messed up or something. But Bowlen should have been there. Yeah yeah, I know he is paying a GM and coach to do this work and resolve this but this is your franchise QB we're talking about here and those don't just roll around too often. I bet Bowlen wasn't there because Jay did not return his calls and Bowlen wanted to show he's the bigger guy.

Screw all this nonsense. Jay, Bus, McD, Xanders and Bowlen all need to go lock themselves in a room and throw the key out the window and leave their egos at the door. Work it out. If that means a new deal for Jay, then work that out too. Both parties are saying the want to work this out then do what you say you want to do.

Borks147
03-15-2009, 11:01 PM
I'm exiling myself for two weeks, I cant handle it anymore.

Man-Goblin
03-15-2009, 11:01 PM
After reading about Bus Cook on Mile High Report, I was wondering if he had hired anyone to go to the different Broncos message boards and post smears against McDaniels, I wouldn't put it past him. Of course it would have to be a bomb-thrower who happened to join right after Shanahan was fired.

I'm not accusing you of anything, of course, just saying some random thought aloud.

If Bus wants to hire me I will gladly flip-flop on this issue in public.

24champ
03-15-2009, 11:02 PM
Bowlen called him twice. Cutler didnt answer. How many times do you try to call someone before you realize they dont wanna talk to you?


:Broncos:

Why take a call from that POS when your A. on vacation and B. when everything the owner has said lately has been bunk. See, Coach for life and Goodmans.

Taco John
03-15-2009, 11:02 PM
It blows my mind that Pat Bowlen didn't show up to that meeting.

Popps
03-15-2009, 11:03 PM
Clearly Cutler is more credible now.

Why, because he wouldn't meet the coach one on one? Because he failed to show up in person for a scheduled meeting?

Again, the organization wants him to stay.... so why would they be "forcing" him out of town?

Do you people really believe that nonsense?

Do you really believe his house randomly went for sale on Friday? His parents, too?

Honestly, I'm not sure how many shades of gullible, stupid and naive you have to be to believe that.

lex
03-15-2009, 11:03 PM
B.S. McDaniels just said in that article he wanted to meet with Jay ONE-ON-ONE. Jay wouldn't have any part of that because he needed his guardian angel, Bus Cook, there. Why would Bowlen step in at that point when, if there was any civility involved, the meeting would have been between just Cutler and McDaniels.

So, just because the team wants a one on one, that means Cutler has to give in? LOL. I think not. Its perfectly sensible for him to have his agent there. Instead, McDaniels could try to win some trust back but he doesnt do it. He just continues shoveling the same **** that no one was believing 2 weeks ago.

BMarsh615
03-15-2009, 11:03 PM
Jay Cutler is the kind of player that you wait years to draft.

Adding insult to injury is the fact that we wrecked an AFC Championship-worthy team and alienated a different QB to get him.

Our management sucks, so I wouldnt hold your breath waiting for another franchise QB to come along.

I agree. We only waited 10 years to find a decent replacement for Elway. It's going to be a loooooooonnnnnggg time before we find another 25 year old Pro Bowl QB.

Archer81
03-15-2009, 11:04 PM
Everything was fine in Denver until McDaniels came around. McDaniels isn't just the head coach. He has almost as much power as Shanahan had. He has only been here two months and has already lost our franchise Quarterback. All we needed from our new head coach is for him to bring in a good staff on defense and leave the offense alone. Denver is a disaster right now and I don't see McDaniels digging us out of this hole he put us in.

Fine. Lets sum up, mmmkay?

1 Playoff win in 10 years.
5 different Starting QB's post Elway.
Busted drafts.
Constantly being told we are 1 or 2 players away.
Ridiculous divisional and playoff losses to the SAME ****ing team.

Frankly if this is how our franchise player acts, maybe he needs to be shipped off somewhere else and we just start over.

:Broncos:

arghemtee
03-15-2009, 11:05 PM
It blows my mind that Pat Bowlen didn't show up to that meeting.

Does it?

He is proving to be a bad owner.

Archer81
03-15-2009, 11:05 PM
Why take a call from that POS when your A. on vacation and B. when everything the owner has said lately has been bunk. See, Coach for life and Goodmans.


$17 million reasons why you pick up the phone. Jay can obviously pick the phone up when cook calls, cant he.


:Broncos:

Blueflame
03-15-2009, 11:05 PM
Then why the hell wasn't he there??

As for ignoring phone calls from McDaniels and Bowlen, Cutler said, "Josh and I have exchanged text messages. We had a conference call. And if Pat wanted to speak to me, why didn't he come to the meeting on Saturday?

Precisely... Pat's been pretty much MIA throughout this whole fiasco... and he could have put an end to it on Day One of the soap opera.

We need to do a "Where's Pat" game...kinda like "Where's Waldo"... he's letting his team fall into total chaos...

Killericon
03-15-2009, 11:06 PM
I agree. We only waited 10 years to find a decent replacement for Elway. It's going to be a loooooooonnnnnggg time before we find another 25 year old Pro Bowl QB.

http://www.imwritingsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/da.jpg

GET 'ER DONE!

BMarsh615
03-15-2009, 11:07 PM
Fine. Lets sum up, mmmkay?

1 Playoff win in 10 years.
5 different Starting QB's post Elway.
Busted drafts.
Constantly being told we are 1 or 2 players away.
Ridiculous divisional and playoff losses to the SAME ****ing team.

Frankly if this is how our franchise player acts, maybe he needs to be shipped off somewhere else and we just start over.

:Broncos:

Jake Plummer, Brian Griese, Gus Ferrote, and whoever else we had out there at QB can't hold Cutler's jock.

Things were starting to turn around in Denver with the last 3 drafts. The defense was awful but at least we knew we had ALL OF THE PIECES in place on offense and could focus entirely on defense in the next few drafts.

Now we have to draft and develop ANOTHER QB and wait 4 years for him to develop. We have no defense and no QB to bail us out. We are the Chiefs and Raiders now.

spdirty
03-15-2009, 11:08 PM
Screw all this nonsense. Jay, Bus, McD, Xanders and Bowlen all need to go lock themselves in a room and throw the key out the window and leave their egos at the door. Work it out. If that means a new deal for Jay, then work that out too. Both parties are saying the want to work this out then do what you say you want to do.

I wish that would happen but its on Bowlen to make it happen and he is way too busy counting all the dollars sliding out of his pocket caused by the backlash of his shltstorm.

BMarsh615
03-15-2009, 11:08 PM
http://www.imwritingsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/da.jpg

GET 'ER DONE!

:rofl:
Are you watching the Larry the Cable Guy roast to.

epicSocialism4tw
03-15-2009, 11:09 PM
Hilarious!

I think you have to actually make the playoffs before you're "championship" quality.

Oh, wait... Shanahan was going to build that defense THIS year, right?

ROFL!

Nah dude...that was a reference to the AFC Championship-worthy (meaning the team that made the AFC Championship game...you know...the Plummer/Champ Broncos that were a DL away from a championship).

The BBT have now set that reconstruction plan circa 2006 back several years in turn. It could be 2020 before these guys get their crap together.

Bowlen has some serious egg on his face here.

Archer81
03-15-2009, 11:09 PM
Jake Plummer, Brian Griese, Gus Ferrote, and whoever else we had out there at QB can't hold Cutler's jock.

Things were starting to turn around in Denver with the last 3 drafts. The defense was awful but at least we knew we had ALL OF THE PIECES in place on offense and could focus entirely on defense in the next few drafts.

Now we have to draft and develop ANOTHER QB and wait 4 years for him to develop. We have no defense and no QB to bail us out. We are the Chiefs and Raiders now.



Insanity is repeating the same behavior and each time expect a different result...By all means think Cutler is the only QB who can play in the entire league ever.

:Broncos:

24champ
03-15-2009, 11:09 PM
http://www.imwritingsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/da.jpg

GET 'ER DONE!

Hurl.

arghemtee
03-15-2009, 11:09 PM
http://www.imwritingsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/da.jpg

GET 'ER DONE!

Do you even watch football, or do you like the cool looking pictures?

Andersen sucks. Even on his "good year", he only completed 53% of his passes.

You are really desperate.

Killericon
03-15-2009, 11:10 PM
Jake Plummer, Brian Griese, Gus Ferrote, and whoever else we had out there at QB can't hold Cutler's jock.

Things were starting to turn around in Denver with the last 3 drafts. The defense was awful but at least we knew we had ALL OF THE PIECES in place on offense and could focus entirely on defense in the next few drafts.

Now we have to draft and develop ANOTHER QB and wait 4 years for him to develop. We have no defense and no QB to bail us out. We are the Chiefs and Raiders now.

Hey, come on now. We have a fantastic pair or WRs. We have a ****ing great offensive line. We have Peyton Hillis. We have Champ Bailey. While it may not look sooo great, we're better off than the Chiefs or the Raiders.

Personally, I blame Bowlen for this whole thing, but not in the sense that I think he should've done more to prevent it. This was, it would seem, inevitable from when he replaced Shanahan with McDaniels.

BMarsh615
03-15-2009, 11:11 PM
Insanity is repeating the same behavior and each time expect a different result...By all means think Cutler is the only QB who can play in the entire league ever.

:Broncos:

The definition of insanity is waiting 10 years for a franchise QB and then letting him get away right before he hits his prime.

Killericon
03-15-2009, 11:12 PM
Do you even watch football, or do you like the cool looking pictures?

Andersen sucks. Even on his "good year", he only completed 53% of his passes.

You are really desperate.

FINE. I'M DESPERATE. JAY CUTLER JUST BAILED ON US, TAKING MY FAVOURITE BRONCO(Scheffler) WITH HIM. YEAH, I'M NOT THINKING STRAIGHT.

In the interest of fairness, outside of the draft, is there a better alternative?

Also, my posting that picture was more the fact that Anderson IS a 25 year old pro bowl QB.

DeusExManning
03-15-2009, 11:15 PM
This does confirm my suspicion that Jay NEVER asked to be traded post Bates.

epicSocialism4tw
03-15-2009, 11:15 PM
The definition of insanity is waiting 10 years for a franchise QB and then letting him get away right before he hits his prime.

Its just plain bad business.

There is no way that Bowlen could have thought that anything McDaniels could bring to the table would be more valuable to the fans than a franchise QB.

McD is a 32 year old head coach with ZERO skins on the wall. Trade your franchise QB and the awesome offense that Shanahan built over the past 3 seasons for this kid to come in and ruin the franchise with poor management? Nice work, Bowlen.

Rulon Velvet Jones
03-15-2009, 11:15 PM
What are the ramifications of not giving Jay what he wants, paying him the 1 million and having him ride the pine this season?

ZONA
03-15-2009, 11:17 PM
Is it really so hard to just have Jay and McD meet one on one? They don't have to talk about contracts or deals or anything regarding football. Just a meeting to say, hey, I respect you as a person, let's just get to know one another. Talk about the weather, movies, anything. Just talk and not have anybody else imputting their interpretation of language. If the two truly can't get along after that, then we can trade him. Jay doesn't need Bus to hold his hand just to talk with McD for 20 minutes and have a beer and shoot the ****. These agents must tell these players that all coaches, GM and owners will trick you at any chance. Does Jay have to have Cook there to wipe his arse when he takes a crap too?

Cmon Jay - just meet with McD one on one and don't even talk football. Go to a frickin movie or something.

lex
03-15-2009, 11:22 PM
Is it really so hard to just have Jay and McD meet one on one? They don't have to talk about contracts or deals or anything regarding football. Just a meeting to say, hey, I respect you as a person, let's just get to know one another. Talk about the weather, movies, anything. Just talk and not have anybody else imputting their interpretation of language. If the two truly can't get along after that, then we can trade him. Jay doesn't need Bus to hold his hand just to talk with McD for 20 minutes and have a beer and shoot the ****. These agents must tell these players that all coaches, GM and owners will trick you at any chance. Does Jay have to have Cook there to wipe his arse when he takes a crap too?

Cmon Jay - just meet with McD one on one and don't even talk football. Go to a frickin movie or something.

Yes. Jay doesnt trust the Denver FO. He hasnt bought the **** theyve been shovelling for two weeks and, yet, they continue to shovel it. Not only that but theyre trying to go out of their way to be adversarial.

SureShot
03-15-2009, 11:24 PM
Wow. I gotta say Cutler wins this battle, but this is how I see it turning out. Cutler will get his extension as that is the only way Pat can have his way which is McDaniels coaching and Cutler as the QB. After reading Jay's side he left himself a back door to go back to the team and save face (just an olive branch or cup of coffee). That way he gets what he wants which a vote of confidence so to speak with a contract extension. The only one that really doesn't get what he wants is McD and thats a battle of egos with Cutler. Well thats usually how it works today in pro sports so deal with it Josh when Pat throws you under the bus. Its obvious Pat has yet to pick a side in this one, but he really doesn't have to but he is too much of an ass to grab these to kids and impose his authority.

ZONA
03-15-2009, 11:24 PM
And by the way, just to mention it again, for those people who think the sky is falling.


Elway and Reeves hated one another yet the went to 3 superbowls together.

It's not totally necessary they like eachother, but they must win for it to work. Maybe not right away but within a few seasons.

Blueflame
03-15-2009, 11:25 PM
I wish that would happen but its on Bowlen to make it happen and he is way too busy counting all the dollars sliding out of his pocket caused by the backlash of his shltstorm.

If the '09 Broncos don't win at least 8 games, I suspect that McD, Xanders, and Bowlen will learn a whole new meaning for the term "backlash"....

SureShot
03-15-2009, 11:27 PM
Just a thought on how to figure our who to believe in this situation:

Cutler is saying very specific things about what was said. McDaniels really isn't, but instead is denying the overall gist and saying he doesn't understand how Cutler is taking what he's taking out of the conversations. It's easier to lie in generalities than specifics.

And, of course, Cutler denies that McDaniels has ever criticized him. If he was going to lie about the rest of it, why would he tell the truth about that?

And another point. I think Cutler wanting to bring Bus is understandable. He's making a huge decision based on what he gets out of conversations with people who, rightly or wrongly, he doen't trust. I would want someone else in the room for a second opinion, too.

Interesting point.

Rulon Velvet Jones
03-15-2009, 11:27 PM
Possible solutions:

1. Jay gets his extension, reports and the soap opera continues for better or for worse. (Scheffler still gone, though...suck it up, Jay.)

2. Jay gets traded and all welcome our Simms/Jeff Garcia overlords for at least one season.

3. Jay stays with the team, gets paid and never sees the light of day.

4. Bus Cook drives off a cliff.

5. Steal underpants.

6.

7. Profit.

BMarsh615
03-15-2009, 11:28 PM
What are the ramifications of not giving Jay what he wants, paying him the 1 million and having him ride the pine this season?

I think we shouldn't even trade Jay. He only is going to make $1 mil in salary this year the rest of his contract comes from incentives. Jay will want to play to earn that money. Denver doesn't have to get rid of Jay. We can make him play out his contract and franchise him 2 years in a row if we really wanted to. That way he couldn't leave Denver until he was 30 years old;)

scttgrd
03-15-2009, 11:28 PM
If the '09 Broncos don't win at least 8 games, I suspect that McD, Xanders, and Bowlen will learn a whole new meaning for the term "backlash"....

I have to agree, no one player is above the team. But when you act in a dishonest way with your best player publicly, expect trouble.

ZONA
03-15-2009, 11:29 PM
Yes. Jay doesnt trust the Denver FO. He hasnt bought the **** theyve been shovelling for two weeks and, yet, they continue to shovel it. Not only that but theyre trying to go out of their way to be adversarial.

You don't need to "trust" him to talk. I could see your point if McD said "hey, let's meet one on one to discuss your contract".

That's not what McD is asking for. He just want to meet with Jay only to get on the same page.

If there are too many people in the meeting, you have different things going on, this is said by that guy, that guy takes it this way.

SIMPLIFY - two guys meet.

Drunk Monkey
03-15-2009, 11:34 PM
it's pretty simple. in the military, you don't see Captains bickering with Colonels about orders. a Captain shuts up and does as he is told. the hierarchy in that system is what's important and must be maintained. superior rank must be respected.

the same is true of an NFL team. no player outranks the head coach. even if the head coach is wrong about something, it's not the player's place to call out the head coach. that's what Cutler is trying to do. it undermines the head coach in the eyes of every other player. it simply cannot be allowed to happen. that's why I'm on McD's side. Cutler has been consistenly in the wrong for the past 2 weeks. he's been insubordinate. he has to be punished. there is no brig in the NFL, but there is detroit! ;)

I disagree, that approach may work in collage but not the pros. One reason that collage coaches have such a hard time adjusting to the pro game is the difference in managing the player's personalities. In collage they have no money and are desperate to make it to the next level. They need to cooperation of the coach for that. In the pros the players have $ and are more mature. They expect to be treated differently. "Like a Man" is a phrase they use entirely to often. The coach must adapt to the situation, if he has a winney bitchy player like Cutler who has a huge upside then he needs to handle him with care. The biggest problem here is Mcdumbass is showing his age. It's not about you, it's about the team. Tell Cutler what ever you need to to get him to play the best he can. So far he is not doing that.

baja
03-15-2009, 11:38 PM
http://www.jessicaswell.com/images/failure-to-communicate.jpg
What we have here is a failure to communicate.

slyinky
03-15-2009, 11:41 PM
Is it really so hard to just have Jay and McD meet one on one? They don't have to talk about contracts or deals or anything regarding football. Just a meeting to say, hey, I respect you as a person, let's just get to know one another. Talk about the weather, movies, anything. Just talk and not have anybody else imputting their interpretation of language. If the two truly can't get along after that, then we can trade him. Jay doesn't need Bus to hold his hand just to talk with McD for 20 minutes and have a beer and shoot the ****. These agents must tell these players that all coaches, GM and owners will trick you at any chance. Does Jay have to have Cook there to wipe his arse when he takes a crap too?

Cmon Jay - just meet with McD one on one and don't even talk football. Go to a frickin movie or something.
It sounds like you want them to go out on a date. I agree that they should meet one on one but a movie? You can't be serious. They just need to set aside their egos and air out their differences through honest dialogue and get on the same page. It seems to me that perhaps both of their bull headed personalities clash.

lex
03-15-2009, 11:42 PM
You don't need to "trust" him to talk. I could see your point if McD said "hey, let's meet one on one to discuss your contract".

That's not what McD is asking for. He just want to meet with Jay only to get on the same page.

If there are too many people in the meeting, you have different things going on, this is said by that guy, that guy takes it this way.

SIMPLIFY - two guys meet.

They havent earned his trust yet. They need to do that first.

JCMElway
03-15-2009, 11:44 PM
There is a school of thought that Jay is staying. If that's true, they should just end all discussion and throw a fat contract extension in front of Bus Cook. I'm sure all those dollar signs would soothe a lot of hurts.

SonOfLe-loLang
03-15-2009, 11:45 PM
So weird. If what Jay says is true, then McDaniels is being an ahole...im sure the truth is somewhere in the middle.

Maybe McDaniels really thinks he's no good. I dont know what he's seeing that we arent...i would love to see Jay in this offense.

yerner
03-15-2009, 11:46 PM
wait, is cutler a crybaby for treating it like a buisness now? i thought he was a crybaby for not knowing its a buisness.

slyinky
03-15-2009, 11:46 PM
They havent earned his trust yet. They need to do that first.
Let me guess. The only thing that is going to earn his trust is $$$.

chaz
03-15-2009, 11:47 PM
FINE. I'M DESPERATE. JAY CUTLER JUST BAILED ON US, TAKING MY FAVOURITE BRONCO(Scheffler) WITH HIM. YEAH, I'M NOT THINKING STRAIGHT.

In the interest of fairness, outside of the draft, is there a better alternative?

Also, my posting that picture was more the fact that Anderson IS a 25 year old pro bowl QB.

Actually Anderson would have been a backup (read: not pro-bowl) if Quinn wouldn't have needed surgery on his finger.

chaz
03-15-2009, 11:49 PM
Let me guess. The only thing that is going to earn his trust is $$$.

I'm guessing Bus Cook wanted the future bonuses guaranteed as a sign of faith....I blame Bus more than anyone else, although Jay/McD/Bowlen all need a punch in the nuts too

chaz
03-15-2009, 11:49 PM
Why take a call from that POS when your A. on vacation and B. when everything the owner has said lately has been bunk. See, Coach for life and Goodmans.

Don't forget promising Jay he'd keep the offense (Bates) intact

BroncoBuff
03-15-2009, 11:51 PM
Speaking of the Browns..... Brady Quinn, Shaun Rogers and the #20 overall works for me.

lex
03-15-2009, 11:55 PM
Speaking of the Browns..... Brady Quinn, Shaun Rogers and the #20 overall works for me.

Doesnt Detroit have the #20? Cleveland picks in the top 10.

BroncoMan4ever
03-15-2009, 11:58 PM
Wow. I gotta say Cutler wins this battle, but this is how I see it turning out. Cutler will get his extension as that is the only way Pat can have his way which is McDaniels coaching and Cutler as the QB. After reading Jay's side he left himself a back door to go back to the team and save face (just an olive branch or cup of coffee). That way he gets what he wants which a vote of confidence so to speak with a contract extension. The only one that really doesn't get what he wants is McD and thats a battle of egos with Cutler. Well thats usually how it works today in pro sports so deal with it Josh when Pat throws you under the bus. Its obvious Pat has yet to pick a side in this one, but he really doesn't have to but he is too much of an ass to grab these to kids and impose his authority.

he is waiting and seeing which way the fans are going to go. if he feels the loss of Jay will cost him money, he will make sure Jay is kept here. if he thinks fans won't care and will be fine with Mc****tard ruining the team then Jay will be gone.

lazarus4444
03-16-2009, 12:10 AM
I still think this is all engineered by bus cook.

McDaniels and Xanders inexperience has not helped things.

Cutler's naivete has not helped things either.

Be your own man, don't do everything your agent says.

This whole thing is about bus cook and i hope we never ever ever sign a bus cook player EVER again.

Taco John
03-16-2009, 12:16 AM
Possible solutions:

1. Jay gets his extension, reports and the soap opera continues for better or for worse. (Scheffler still gone, though...suck it up, Jay.)

2. Jay gets traded and all welcome our Simms/Jeff Garcia overlords for at least one season.

3. Jay stays with the team, gets paid and never sees the light of day.

4. Bus Cook drives off a cliff.

5. Steal underpants.

6.

7. Profit.



Those last three didn't work out so well for Tatum Bell... (allegedly)

Atwater His Ass
03-16-2009, 02:38 AM
There will be no peace until McDaniels is gone.

^This.

Please Mr. Bowlen, do not set your franchise back another decade because you want to save face after making a poor decision with hiring an inexperienced head coach that can't even handle something mundane like trade talks.

I would much rather lose a year or two now by firing McDaniels and getting a stop gap then lose a decade or more trying to find another franchise QB. It's ****ing ridiculous.

Quoydogs
03-16-2009, 02:42 AM
^This.

Please Mr. Bowlen, do not set your franchise back another decade because you want to save face after making a poor decision with hiring an inexperienced head coach that can't even handle something mundane like trade talks.

I would much rather lose a year or two now by firing McDaniels and getting a stop gap then lose a decade or more trying to find another franchise QB. It's ****ing ridiculous.

ESPN just said that Mc Dips@!t said he is not intrested in draft picks..

This tell us that
#1 He is gone. Neither he or Cutler want him there

#2 Mcdips#!t has someone in mind.

THe question is who?

We have to get another QB Simms is not a starter, Sage,Allen for Cutler.

BroncoMan4ever
03-16-2009, 03:13 AM
ESPN just said that Mc Dips@!t said he is not intrested in draft picks..

This tell us that
#1 He is gone. Neither he or Cutler want him there

#2 Mcdips#!t has someone in mind.

THe question is who?

We have to get another QB Simms is not a starter, Sage,Allen for Cutler.

**** that. i would pull the trigger on a Quinn-Rodgers for Cutler trade before a Sage-Allen for Cutler trade

Hulamau
03-16-2009, 03:20 AM
Funny he can't talk to Denver but, he sure can to ESPN Vic etc.

Exactly this is such clear manipulative BS on the part of Cutler and Cook. I trust Bowlen and McD Far more than these clowns whose first move is to always get their spin of the story to the press immediately after any meeting.

Bronco Buff your smoking something buddy if you cant see this literally JUMP out in this article! Maybe its because you don't really know the details of Cook and Favre in GB!? ... Just go look at the history of the Cook Favre routine in GB and you'll see so many familiar patterns here.

Jay is playing the good cop 'Gee golly" victim and Cook is in public the benevolent friend and guide, but really Jay's EVIL puppet master behind the scenes. All to force a huge contract from Denver now they can ill afford while trying to rebuild this team OR damage the team (and almost for sure Jay's career too though he is too blind and arrogant apparently to see that) and get him a big pay day somewhere else.

Jay's doing anything he can to Save face now and is learning the fine art of manipulation from his master on the fly.

I cant believe some of you guys are STILL sucking his weeny!?! :twokisses

Atwater His Ass
03-16-2009, 03:24 AM
ESPN just said that Mc Dips@!t said he is not intrested in draft picks..

This tell us that
#1 He is gone. Neither he or Cutler want him there

#2 Mcdips#!t has someone in mind.

THe question is who?

We have to get another QB Simms is not a starter, Sage,Allen for Cutler.

Well today is the day that I've come to believe in earnest that Jay Cutler will no longer be the QB of the Broncos.

To compound this whole issue, we won't get anything near what Jay is worth because teams know we need to dump him now and will lowball.

I just can't believe Bowlen has let this come to this. I really can't. It's time for him to sell the team imo.

elsid13
03-16-2009, 03:50 AM
At this point I could care less. A month ago I was excited about the new regime, FA and the draft. I thought Denver would be pretty good team. Now I don't care.

eddie mac
03-16-2009, 03:52 AM
I say we get Horacio and the team in to sort this one out.

He can always tell who's the biggest liar.

Simply by ascertaining who has the most to gain here from their lies.

The media/fan backlash has already made it clear that Bowlen/McDaniels come out of this scenario with little or nothing but dirt against their names.

If McDaniels wanted to initially or even still wanted to trade Cutler what does he gain??? Answer equals nothing, he already lost out on Cassel if he ever really wanted him in the first place.

If Bus Cook/Cutler want dealt what do they gain???
Answer equals millions $$$.

Cutler gets paid a whopping $1.2m in 2009, yes that's right Cutler Lovers less than 1/3 of what Chris Simms will get paid this year but that's the way the league works with rookie contracts.

This is about money and has always been about money, it has never been about lack of trust or ongoings behind Cutler's back only in the fact that Bus Cook has preyed on a rookie HC's inexperience and utilised it to his advantage.

Bus Cook saw a niche in the Broncos organisation when Mike Shanahan was fired and he was ready. He preyed on a rookie HC and used his media darling Cutler to fan the flames.

Who's guilty here???

Pat Bowlen-in some ways yes for not appointing an experienced enough GM to deal with this type of scenario.

Brian Xanders-I cant see any evidence of wrong-doing by Xanders.

Josh McDaniels-The only thing Josh is guilty of is having little or no experience in a matter such as this and needed more support from Pat Bowlen.

Jay Cutler-For sure. He's acted like a 12 year old throughout the process and for me that isn't how I want the leader of our offense to be. He's alienated himself with his teammates already.

Bus Cook-The biggest villain of all. He couldn't wait until JC won a few games under McDaniels and showed he could operate the new system with ease. He stomped all over a new administration and worked their inexperience to his advantage, creating frenzy amongst the media and fanbase with this he said, she said media circus.

I know who are the real guilty ones here, some people just need to open their eyes a bit more.

There's making a mistake and there's intent and Cutler's camp has had the intent all along since Mike's bags were packed.

eddie mac
03-16-2009, 03:56 AM
Well today is the day that I've come to believe in earnest that Jay Cutler will no longer be the QB of the Broncos.

To compound this whole issue, we won't get anything near what Jay is worth because teams know we need to dump him now and will lowball.

I just can't believe Bowlen has let this come to this. I really can't. It's time for him to sell the team imo.

I disagree.

The Broncos dont need to dump Jay at all in a season where he earns peanuts in terms of cash and has a paltry $4.73m cap hit which includes a $2m bonus if he hits the top 5 in any passing category.

As I've said numerous times on here I'd let him rot at home until he grows up and realises the Organisation is bigger than him and his ego.

The only way that viewpoint will change is if we're blown away with an offer that is too good to turn down.

BroncoMan4ever
03-16-2009, 04:04 AM
Well today is the day that I've come to believe in earnest that Jay Cutler will no longer be the QB of the Broncos.

To compound this whole issue, we won't get anything near what Jay is worth because teams know we need to dump him now and will lowball.

I just can't believe Bowlen has let this come to this. I really can't. It's time for him to sell the team imo.

actually, teams can't lowball us, because if the team wants they can just let him ride the bench until they get an offer that is worth parting with him.

he isn't making the kind of NFL QB money that makes it impossible to keep him on the bench. in fact our new backup is making more than he is this season.

so if teams want Jay they can give what we want or we can tell them to **** off and let Jay ride pine until we get what he is worth.

now i personally would prefer to see Jay and Mc****tard get over their egos and work together even if they hate each other and win some games instead of setting the franchise back a decade or more by being egotistical and stupid.

Atwater His Ass
03-16-2009, 04:08 AM
At this point I could care less. A month ago I was excited about the new regime, FA and the draft. I thought Denver would be pretty good team. Now I don't care.

yep.

Atwater His Ass
03-16-2009, 04:15 AM
I disagree.

The Broncos dont need to dump Jay at all in a season where he earns peanuts in terms of cash and has a paltry $4.73m cap hit which includes a $2m bonus if he hits the top 5 in any passing category.

As I've said numerous times on here I'd let him rot at home until he grows up and realises the Organisation is bigger than him and his ego.

The only way that viewpoint will change is if we're blown away with an offer that is too good to turn down.

I can't imagine having this distraction all year.

Cutler riding the bench this season would be nothing short of disastorious (like it isn't already right?). People think this is a distraction now? How about when the team is trying to win football games with this going on? Mcdip**** can't even handle what's going on now and there's no way he can handle this over the course of the entire season and still try to win games, not to mention what it will do in the locker room with the rest of the players.

No, setting Cutler "to rot" as you say is an even worse move than what the team has already done up to this point. All that will do is decrease Cutler's value even more. Nobody wins in that scenario.

The Broncos are in a horrible position to move Cutler now and it's not going to improve by sitting him down all year. It will only make it worse.

mhgaffney
03-16-2009, 04:15 AM
It looks like the Denver tradition of fielding scrambling QBs has ended.

summerdenver
03-16-2009, 04:17 AM
I say we get Horacio and the team in to sort this one out.

He can always tell who's the biggest liar.

Simply by ascertaining who has the most to gain here from their lies.

The media/fan backlash has already made it clear that Bowlen/McDaniels come out of this scenario with little or nothing but dirt against their names.

If McDaniels wanted to initially or even still wanted to trade Cutler what does he gain??? Answer equals nothing, he already lost out on Cassel if he ever really wanted him in the first place.

If Bus Cook/Cutler want dealt what do they gain???
Answer equals millions $$$.

Cutler gets paid a whopping $1.2m in 2009, yes that's right Cutler Lovers less than 1/3 of what Chris Simms will get paid this year but that's the way the league works with rookie contracts.

This is about money and has always been about money, it has never been about lack of trust or ongoings behind Cutler's back only in the fact that Bus Cook has preyed on a rookie HC's inexperience and utilised it to his advantage.

Bus Cook saw a niche in the Broncos organisation when Mike Shanahan was fired and he was ready. He preyed on a rookie HC and used his media darling Cutler to fan the flames.

Who's guilty here???

Pat Bowlen-in some ways yes for not appointing an experienced enough GM to deal with this type of scenario.

Brian Xanders-I cant see any evidence of wrong-doing by Xanders.

Josh McDaniels-The only thing Josh is guilty of is having little or no experience in a matter such as this and needed more support from Pat Bowlen.

Jay Cutler-For sure. He's acted like a 12 year old throughout the process and for me that isn't how I want the leader of our offense to be. He's alienated himself with his teammates already.

Bus Cook-The biggest villain of all. He couldn't wait until JC won a few games under McDaniels and showed he could operate the new system with ease. He stomped all over a new administration and worked their inexperience to his advantage, creating frenzy amongst the media and fanbase with this he said, she said media circus.

I know who are the real guilty ones here, some people just need to open their eyes a bit more.

There's making a mistake and there's intent and Cutler's camp has had the intent all along since Mike's bags were packed.

Assuming your theory is correct and cutler wants a new contract whats the big deal. Its not like Pat has not taken a chance with a big contract in the past. Didn't the broncos just pay a long snapper 1 mil.

Would we not be paying more or less same amount to Cassel had the trade went thru ???

eddie mac
03-16-2009, 04:26 AM
Assuming your theory is correct and cutler wants a new contract whats the big deal. Its not like Pat has not taken a chance with a big contract in the past. Didn't the broncos just pay a long snapper 1 mil.

Would we not be paying more or less same amount to Cassel had the trade went thru ???

Yeah but there's a ways and means of getting a new contract. Somehow I dont think whining, bitching and telling lies to the media is the way to go.

rastaman
03-16-2009, 04:43 AM
C'mon Buff. I like you, man, but how can you argue with this quote?

"Other teams have called but we're not interested in getting draft picks for Jay. I never made a statement [Saturday] that 'you can be traded at any time.' They asked a question and I told them it was the time of year when people inquire about your team. Your job, as a head coach and general manager, is to listen and not bypass any opportunity to help your team improve. I think most people [in the NFL] feel the same way. You make smart, educated decisions that are best for your football team."

Do you not want your coach looking to improve his team? It's not like his job isn't on the line either. You can argue with his intentions to trade for Cassel all you want, but personally, I want a guy in charge always looking to improve the team.

Don't worry with Cutler out of Denver, McD will have ample opportunity to improve the Broncos. Here's a hint, McD may want to manuever in the draft to ensure he can draft Sanchez from USC.

rastaman
03-16-2009, 04:55 AM
Exactly this is such clear manipulative BS on the part of Cutler and Cook. I trust Bowlen and McD Far more than these clowns whose first move is to always get their spin of the story to the press immediately after any meeting.

Bronco Buff your smoking something buddy if you cant see this literally JUMP out in this article! Maybe its because you don't really know the details of Cook and Favre in GB!? ... Just go look at the history of the Cook Favre routine in GB and you'll see so many familiar patterns here.

Jay is playing the good cop 'Gee golly" victim and Cook is in public the benevolent friend and guide, but really Jay's EVIL puppet master behind the scenes. All to force a huge contract from Denver now they can ill afford while trying to rebuild this team OR damage the team (and almost for sure Jay's career too though he is too blind and arrogant apparently to see that) and get him a big pay day somewhere else.

Jay's doing anything he can to Save face now and is learning the fine art of manipulation from his master on the fly.

I cant believe some of you guys are STILL sucking his weeny!?! :twokisses

The NFL is a business.....which means both owners-coaches-and players will always look to make decisions in their own best interest. They understand there is no loyalty. The side that fails to realize this are the FANS.

Bowlen and McDaniels need to try and trade Cutler for draft picks and move on; find a QB in this years draft that is as close to Matt Cassells intangibles. My guess is that the QB from USC-Sanchez fits the Cassell prototype that McDaniels has been so in love with. That way Sanchez can learn the system for a year or two while Simms tries and stay healthy for an entire season or two.

Cutler has trade value in 2009 not 2010 or 2011.

Drek
03-16-2009, 05:46 AM
Assuming your theory is correct and cutler wants a new contract whats the big deal. Its not like Pat has not taken a chance with a big contract in the past. Didn't the broncos just pay a long snapper 1 mil.

Would we not be paying more or less same amount to Cassel had the trade went thru ???

What do you think Cutler wants for a new deal?

Because all this is an attempt to dictate terms. They'll want to get him a deal the size of Roethslithberger's probably, claiming he's one of the young elite QBs.

But Ben has two rings, Jay doesn't even have a playoff appearance.

Thats the big thing right there. How much of a raise does a guy deserve if he's already sitting on the #12 overall draft pick contract (quite lucrative mind you) and has never even gotten his team into the playoffs, let alone won a division, or even a big late season game for that matter.

TheReverend
03-16-2009, 05:55 AM
He was probably off piss drunk somewhere snorting coke off a stripper's clit.

Not a surprise in the least that he wasn't there. Not in the least.

Another homerun. I'm PM'ing TJ. You need to be tested for performance enhancing drugs.

TheReverend
03-16-2009, 05:57 AM
If I had 17 million dollars invested in him to this point, I would probably call twice and then walk down the meeting room when he was in my complex.

And that 17 million probably pales in comparison to just his jersey sales, let alone the ratings boost, ticket sales, etc from the excitement he brings to the field

montrose
03-16-2009, 06:00 AM
And that 17 million probably pales in comparison to just his jersey sales, let alone the ratings boost, ticket sales, etc from the excitement he brings to the field

Considering how much money Pat ate by firing the staff and F.O., rightly or wrongly, it doesn't appear that his football operations decisions are motivated by money at this time.

El Guapo
03-16-2009, 06:41 AM
We'll theyve effectively drawn a line. Half the people (fans,players) hate McDaniels and the other Cutler. sheesh, what a mess.

Please keep Cutler. Make him happy for crying out loud.

Rohirrim
03-16-2009, 06:51 AM
I agree with Taco that Bowlen could have fixed this mess Saturday. All he had to do was roll a wheel barrow full of money into the meeting room and dump it in Bus Cook's lap. Problem solved.

Ooops. Except there's a whole lockerroom full of players who would also like a wheel barrow full of money. Where would it stop? In Snyder-land. ;D

Tom A Hawk
03-16-2009, 06:54 AM
You can't blame a coach that wants to do what is best for the organization.
If he thinks he can make the Bronco's better by trading Cutler, that is on him and he will have to live with the concequences. Ownership and fans will hold him responsible. You have to crack a few eggs to make an omlet and maybe it is best to wait and see what kind of cook the new coach is.

oubronco
03-16-2009, 07:04 AM
well if Cutler wanted a one on one get together and Mcdaniels wanted a one on one get together then why the hell don't they just do that and get this crap over with

Broncos_OTM
03-16-2009, 07:26 AM
All the Josh apologists are MIA now ... :~ohyah!:

It's sad, though ... I'll have to figure out how to be a fan this year, it won't come easy.

Obviously you dont get it. BOTH sides are acting like immature jackasses...

All the Josh apologists are MIA now ... :~ohyah!:

Much like that comment.

2KBack
03-16-2009, 07:29 AM
The real humor is that i don't even have to read people's posts on here anymore, I know what is said by reading who the poster is.

Drek
03-16-2009, 07:29 AM
well if Cutler wanted a one on one get together and Mcdaniels wanted a one on one get together then why the hell don't they just do that and get this crap over with

Because Cutler is lying out his ass?

He's made the Broncos go through Cook this entire ordeal, from the minute it broke, while he himself was sounding off in the media.

Meanwhile Bowlen and McDaniels have both tried to speak with him personally.

But we're supposed to believe that Cutler wanted to handle this one on one?

Seriously, I know people really love his potential and his Elway-esque "moxie" but he and Cook are blatantly manipulating all your good will here. Its a game to them, a game that ends in Jay getting a big fat new deal. Be it from the Broncos (in which case we see this same incident play out with Marshall or anyone else who wants a new deal next off-season) or another team. They don't care where, they just care how much.

eddie mac
03-16-2009, 07:37 AM
I have another question for Mr Cutler and his OM Bandwagon.

If McDaniels was so intent on trading Jay (straight up for Cassel) as ESPN have stated from day 1 (So if that's bull then there's a good possibility the ****e they've printed since is just that). Why hasn't he approached KC to do a swap???

There's no rule within the NFL to state a player cannot be traded twice in the same season. There's also no cap issues because Cassel has not been offered a new deal yet so KC would have no penalties.

Seems pretty straightforward to me, unless Pioli and Haley think that Cassel is better than Cutler and wouldn't entertain it in the first place, afterall they have a decent team player QB and not a whiney bitch who couldn't care less about his team or the organisation he plays for.

Answer that one Cutler lovers.

oubronco
03-16-2009, 07:39 AM
Because Cutler is lying out his ass?

He's made the Broncos go through Cook this entire ordeal, from the minute it broke, while he himself was sounding off in the media.

Meanwhile Bowlen and McDaniels have both tried to speak with him personally.

But we're supposed to believe that Cutler wanted to handle this one on one?

Seriously, I know people really love his potential and his Elway-esque "moxie" but he and Cook are blatantly manipulating all your good will here. Its a game to them, a game that ends in Jay getting a big fat new deal. Be it from the Broncos (in which case we see this same incident play out with Marshall or anyone else who wants a new deal next off-season) or another team. They don't care where, they just care how much.

McDaniels did pursue a deal with New England on the first day of free agency, but not intensely, he said, because he and Broncos general manager Brian Xanders were in the middle of doing six free-agent negotiations in the opening two days of free-agency. "I think we were too late to the dance,'' he said, meaning the Chiefs had already made the deal with New England -- a second-round pick for Cassel and linebacker Mike Vrabel. Denver would have given more, likely a first-round pick, but Patriots coach Bill Belichick had his deal done with the Chiefs.

"Do I understand about Jay being hurt that we'd consider this?'' McDaniels said. "Sure. But I can tell you that it wasn't like there was any grand plan by us to trade Jay Cutler. That wasn't the case. But when we've told them [Cutler and Cook], I think it's fallen on deaf ears.''

we were to late or we would've given up more than KC and traded Cutler, but we weren't trying to trade him we just listened....................BULLSHYT they have been lying to Jay from day one

TheReverend
03-16-2009, 07:40 AM
I have another question for Mr Cutler and his OM Bandwagon.

If McDaniels was so intent on trading Jay (straight up for Cassel) as ESPN have stated from day 1 (So if that's bull then there's a good possibility the ****e they've printed since is just that). Why hasn't he approached KC to do a swap???

There's no rule within the NFL to state a player cannot be traded twice in the same season. There's also no cap issues because Cassel has not been offered a new deal yet so KC would have no penalties.

Seems pretty straightforward to me, unless Pioli and Haley think that Cassel is better than Cutler and wouldn't entertain it in the first place, afterall they have a decent team player QB and not a whiney b**** who couldn't care less about his team or the organisation he plays for.

Answer that one Cutler lovers.

In one McDaniels quote: "I think we were too late to the dance''

eddie mac
03-16-2009, 07:43 AM
In one McDaniels quote: "I think we were too late to the dance''

And that answers the question how Rev???

Seems straightforward to me and wouldn't KC be falling over themselves to get the Super Jay C instead of the medicore Matt C???

TheReverend
03-16-2009, 07:47 AM
And that answers the question how Rev???

Seems straightforward to me and wouldn't KC be falling over themselves to get the Super Jay C instead of the medicore Matt C???

Your statement was that we never really tried... but that's McDaniels saying they did and were too late. I'm not sure how another trade has anything to do with that.

I can guarantee you that if McD does trade Cutler, the last thing he or Bowlen need or want is him in the division...

vancejohnson82
03-16-2009, 07:50 AM
I agree.

Throughout this whole mess, I wasn't going to take anyone's side. Then when it first came out Jay left town I was pissed and ready to move on.

Now with this...I'd say it looks like Cutler is the one who has been wronged.

where the hell are you people reading ANYTHING in here that makes McDaniels looks power hungry??

because he wants to make the team better....I really hope a lot of you jump ship this year

eddie mac
03-16-2009, 07:50 AM
Your statement was that we never really tried... but that's McDaniels saying they did and were too late. I'm not sure how another trade has anything to do with that.

Nope my statement said we never attempted to trade Cutler straight up for Cassel. That was pure unfounded/unsourced lies via ESPN.

Who the **** wouldn't have.

That gives you Curry/Raji/Cassel for Cutler.

TheReverend
03-16-2009, 07:52 AM
Nope my statement said we never attempted to trade Cutler straight up for Cassel. That was pure unfounded/unsourced lies via ESPN.

Who the **** wouldn't have.

That gives you Curry/Raji/Cassel for Cutler.

You're right. The most reputable sources have all said we LOST draft value as well.

Drek
03-16-2009, 07:54 AM
we were to late or we would've given up more than KC and traded Cutler, but we weren't trying to trade him we just listened....................BULLSHYT they have been lying to Jay from day one

Like I said in another thread, they were already getting calls for Jay. Its their job to follow up with due diligence and see what kind of compensation Cassel would require. If they never checked in with the Pats they don't know what additional value could come in moving Cutler and getting Cassel.

But like he said, the ship had already sailed and so they kept their eye on FA.

oubronco
03-16-2009, 08:14 AM
Like I said in another thread, they were already getting calls for Jay. Its their job to follow up with due diligence and see what kind of compensation Cassel would require. If they never checked in with the Pats they don't know what additional value could come in moving Cutler and getting Cassel.

But like he said, the ship had already sailed and so they kept their eye on FA.

I really don't see how we can believe anything the guy says he contradict's himself too much

vancejohnson82
03-16-2009, 08:20 AM
I really don't see how we can believe anything the guy says he contradict's himself too much

says the guy who supports a QB who said,

"I play for teammates"

And then doesnt show up......please dont use arguments that are detrimental to both sides

Cito Pelon
03-16-2009, 08:52 AM
"And if Pat wanted to speak to me, why didn't he come to the meeting on Saturday?"

Perfect illustration of Jay's immaturity. Bowlen tried to call him last week, Jay doesn't return the call, but Jay tries to make Bowlen look like the bad guy.

Cito Pelon
03-16-2009, 09:02 AM
Just a thought on how to figure our who to believe in this situation:

Cutler is saying very specific things about what was said. McDaniels really isn't, but instead is denying the overall gist and saying he doesn't understand how Cutler is taking what he's taking out of the conversations. It's easier to lie in generalities than specifics.

And, of course, Cutler denies that McDaniels has ever criticized him. If he was going to lie about the rest of it, why would he tell the truth about that?

And another point. I think Cutler wanting to bring Bus is understandable. He's making a huge decision based on what he gets out of conversations with people who, rightly or wrongly, he doen't trust. I would want someone else in the room for a second opinion, too.

Why not just man up and go talk to Josh man to man? If Jay was really thinking it would be just a man to man talk, shake hands, have a laugh and move on, why not just meet Josh man to man?

Cito Pelon
03-16-2009, 09:06 AM
this is damning on both sides. In particular, why on earth should McDaniels be pissed that Cook called Xanders. Xanders is GM. You aren't deal with it. Cutler on the other hand is pissed that he has gotten zero advanced warning, and some significant broken promises, not the least of which is the offensive system.

I would wish a pox on both their houses, but they live in our house - mile high - and we pay their salary, and now we have to deal with their stupidity.

Can someone please find a grown up?

You lost me there. That hasn't been quoted.

broncofan2438
03-16-2009, 09:10 AM
Going to get ugly folks.......don't trade his ass and lets see what happens

Drek
03-16-2009, 09:11 AM
I really don't see how we can believe anything the guy says he contradict's himself too much

Why don't you provide all these contradictions then, and not something you're stretching or dreaming up. Because as far as I can see he's being forthright and honest to the point of exposing himself to further manipulation by Cook and Cutler.

tebowisdabomb
03-16-2009, 09:12 AM
I knew it was a mistake to get rid of Plummer

400HZ
03-16-2009, 09:13 AM
Jay has exhibited an extraordinary lack of mental toughness through this whole process. So let me ask his aplogists: If hearing his name in trade rumors evokes this ridiculous public meltdown, how can you fool yourselves into thinking that he has the mental toughness to lead a team to a championship? That's what quarterbacking a team to a champsionship entails, and not just mental toughness, but consistant mental toughness.


Definition: Mental toughness is having the natural or developed psychological edge that enables you to:

�� Generally cope better than your opponents with the many demands (e.g., competition, training, lifestyle) that are placed on you as a performer

�� Specifically, to be more consistent and better than your opponents in remaining determined, focused, confident, resilient, and in control under pressure (Jones et al, 2002)

worm
03-16-2009, 09:13 AM
Going to get ugly folks.......don't trade his ass and lets see what happens

Going to get ugly? We are well past ugly right now.

Man-Goblin
03-16-2009, 09:15 AM
I knew it was a mistake to get rid of Plummer

I thought Cutler is da bomb?

tebowisdabomb
03-16-2009, 09:16 AM
I thought Cutler is da bomb?

I am gonna get a mod to change my name to Plummerwasdabomb

baja
03-16-2009, 09:20 AM
Eddie Mack - his is about money and has always been about money, it has never been about lack of trust or ongoings behind Cutler's back only in the fact that Bus Cook has preyed on a rookie HC's inexperience and utilised it to his advantage.


eddie mac - he Broncos dont need to dump Jay at all in a season where he earns peanuts in terms of cash and has a paltry $4.73m cap hit which includes a $2m bonus if he hits the top 5 in any passing category.

As I've said numerous times on here I'd let him rot at home until he grows up and realises the Organisation is bigger than him and his ego.

The only way that viewpoint will change is if we're blown away with an offer that is too good to turn down.

These two short quotes by Eddie Mac both define the real problem and give the best solution. Good call Eddie..

Cito Pelon
03-16-2009, 09:21 AM
This article is the first I've seen with so many details and the conclusion I drew is that both sides are really blown away by how the other side is seeing this. Both are clearly saying they want it to work out but the language is just not matching up or something.


I honestly don't see how any of you are pro Cutler or Pro McD after reading this. My guess is you already had your side picked out and you see what you want to see in this article and it only strengthens your story. How can you not come to the conclusion that this is a hugely over exaggerated situation.

Cutler says he was ready to go back and he fully expected to work thing out. So that tells me he must be over the fact the Broncos wanted to trade him or the fact he thinks the Broncos lied to him. He was ready to trust them again so to speak. But we have guys on here saying Cutler is still upset about being lied to. That's a flat out total inaccurate assumption based on what came out of Cutler's own mouth. If he was ready to be here and move on, then he was ready to move on. McD stating that he will NOT take any picks for Cutler and will NOT trade him sounds to me like he WANTS Cutler. To me, both sides are saying they want the same thing. It's miscommunication and that's it. It's not rocket science. I mean, wars have been started over less.

I think the two sides work it out. Jay will get a new deal and be the Broncos QB.

So stop with the Good Bye Jay talk and stop the Josh bashing. Cutler is staying, I'd put money on it.

I seriously doubt Jay gets a new deal from the Broncos before the 2009 season is over.

Archer81
03-16-2009, 09:23 AM
Why not just man up and go talk to Josh man to man? If Jay was really thinking it would be just a man to man talk, shake hands, have a laugh and move on, why not just meet Josh man to man?


His agent doesnt want him to.


:Broncos:

Cito Pelon
03-16-2009, 09:28 AM
At the end of the meeting, Cutler had to talk to Cook, who has been Cooking up this ever since Shanahan got canned.

So what we have here is a guy named Cutler with an agent named Cook, Cassell is a Chef, and Cutler wants to ride the Bus out of town. Interesting.

ant1999e
03-16-2009, 09:38 AM
It's funny the reactions. This just confirmed everything to me. Cutler was never upset, at least not about this incident. He wanted out once Bates was fired. I think he resents McDaniels in that sense, but notice how Cook is the go-to guy on this. Notice how Cutler won't do anything without Cook. This is all Bus Cook angling for a pay-day.

Cutler's dead to me. I'm 100% behind McDaniels on this. This is all just a shake-down job on the organization. Bye-bye Jay. You can go get your ass drunk and lose games that need to be won for some other team. Kiss my ass.

And you Cutler nob-suckers can go with him.

I agree. It's all about more money.

Rohirrim
03-16-2009, 09:39 AM
So, Shanahan got canned. Cutler(y) has a Cook. Casse(ro)l(e) is a Chef. We need to call in these guys to straighten it all out:

http://www.realitytvmagazine.com/blog/images/2008/10/iron_chef.jpg

cutman0122
03-16-2009, 09:43 AM
If Culter's is doing this to get a new contract or to land in a different place, how can you hate him for that? I thought Jay Mac has every right to trade for Cassel if he is more comfortable with him. How come the same rules don't apply to culter. If he is not comfortable with coach Mac, why should he not try to leave.

At this point you are doing the same thing that you accused of others K - inventing reasons to hate Jay.


The double standard is amazing isn't it? They hate the crybaby Cutler who couldn't handle all this as business. Now, the very same people are accusing Cutler of being all business and hate him for it as well. hmmm...

vancejohnson82
03-16-2009, 10:05 AM
The double standard is amazing isn't it? They hate the crybaby Cutler who couldn't handle all this as business. Now, the very same people are accusing Cutler of being all business and hate him for it as well. hmmm...

and the same peple who are yelling at McDaniels for being a liar are backing a quarterback who said he would "play for his teammates" yet is doing the opposite

Circle Orange
03-16-2009, 10:37 AM
Both sides look pretty ****ing stupid.

TRUE.

Too much )&*#)* talking about everything to the media. Management ALWAYS lies to some degree to employees...HELLO, REAL WORLD.

And I don't get that a player with virtually no track record demands this much attention from the entire fiasco...maybe we'll never know all of it. But once feelings get hurt, emotions tend to color facts.

And that imp Bus Cook cackles on the sidelines...

Traveler
03-16-2009, 10:44 AM
Cutler!

Please stop...
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii273/Papi728/crying.jpg

BroncoBuff
03-16-2009, 12:20 PM
Cutler denied recent reports that he had asked to be traded when the Broncos fired offensive coordinator Jeremy Bates.

"Yes, I was upset when they let Jeremy go because Mr. Bowlen had assured me when Mike [Shanahan] was fired that the offense wouldn't change because [it] was the second-ranked offense in football," said Cutler. "But I didn't push for a trade then."

Wow ... yet another pillar in the Josh-apologist house crumbles.

It's not a trade-problem, it's a trust problem. And today (on the OM frontpage and elsewhere), Josh admits (finally) that he wanted Cassel. So therefore his "we listened to offers but just said no" excuse is falling apart.

Josh is in over his head, he has too much power.
;

Broncos4tw
03-16-2009, 01:16 PM
It's pretty simple. McD is the head coach. After his sand-Cassel deal got washed away, it's HIS JOB to retain the BEST QB he can for our team. No matter WHAT it takes. And I don't think he is even trying. He doesn't care. He has this dream vision in his head of the perfect team (which probably would be full of patriot players and coaches), and nothing will stand in his way.

Regardless of what happened with the trade, he should absolutely fix the Jay issue. No matter WHAT. He has failed miserably. He has made Jay pretty much feel like he is expendable. That he has no value at all.

And as far as those who claim that Jay hasn't brought us to the 'promised land' yet, you'll be singing a different tune next year, if we have a scrub QB, and the same D, and end up winning 4 or 5 games on the year. 6 int on the year isn't going to win crap.

BroncoBuff
03-17-2009, 11:37 PM
i'm a bit surprised with you on this one buff. seems to me that cutler is lying.

Who do you think originally leaked that mcdaniels criticized cutler's play in 2008? A leak that both mcdaniels and cutler now deny.

Cutler lying? I didn't know that had been alleged. When did Jay/Bus say Josh didn't like Cutler's play? That's news to me.
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FireFly
03-17-2009, 11:58 PM
**** you, Jay. **** you very much.

Enjoy Detroit, you ungrateful a-hole.

I pray thats where he ends up.