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montrose
03-15-2009, 08:24 PM
Cutler Tells Team To Trade Him
By Vic Lombardi

CBS4 has learned that disgruntled Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler is no longer in Denver and is done negotiating with the team. Cutler will not be attending Monday's voluntary team workout. Sources tell CBS4 he has told the Broncos to trade him.

Cuter and his agent met face to face with the Broncos Saturday where no progress was made between the quarterback and his new head coach.

Cutler recently put his house on the market. We're told that the timing of the sale is merely coincidence. Cutler had been planning to sell the house for several months.

CBS4 has also learned that tight end Tony Scheffler intends on skipping tomorrow's voluntary session.

http://cbs4denver.com/broncos/cutler.nfl.broncos.2.958850.html

UberBroncoMan
03-15-2009, 08:26 PM
We'll it's over... ****.

2KBack
03-15-2009, 08:26 PM
I just have to laugh.

Way to play for those teammates Cutler

Florida_Bronco
03-15-2009, 08:26 PM
Again I ask...how reliable is Lombardi?

Dudeskey
03-15-2009, 08:27 PM
God Damn you Bus Cook...ģ©™

BizzyBone7
03-15-2009, 08:27 PM
I just have to laugh.

Way to play for those teammates Cutler

Seriously, I can't help but laugh at this point. It's one thing after another, and it hasn't stopped.

broncos-rock
03-15-2009, 08:29 PM
Hes under contract and its time to play hardball!

SoCalBronco
03-15-2009, 08:29 PM
Heck of a job, Pat and Josh.

Heck of a job. Only complete ****ing morons could ruin this.

I hope you two douchebags are happy with what you've done. I hope you are happy with these Macho approaches. Good job with that. I hope you enjoy being sentenced to 4-12 because that's what you deserve. It's what you've earned.

Malcontent
03-15-2009, 08:29 PM
Its a shame...but maybe sumpin good comes outta this?

montrose
03-15-2009, 08:29 PM
Again I ask...how reliable is Lombardi?

I wouldn't be surprised if he spoke directly to Jay. Vic co-hosted Jay's show, was the first to have interviews from him after Shanny's firing and the beginning of this saga, and has appeared to be Jay's sounding board to an extent.

Broncosfreak_56
03-15-2009, 08:30 PM
**** you then Jay, whiny ass bitch. Goddamn this so frustrating. We better get good value for him.

I am just as pissed at McDaniels for this whole situation too. ****ING ****.

socalorado
03-15-2009, 08:31 PM
Its done guys.
its over.

Now all i know is DEN had BETTER get some serious compensation in players and picks.
A sad day in Bronco land.

montrose
03-15-2009, 08:31 PM
Heck of a job, Pat and Josh.

Heck of a job. Only complete ****ing morons could ruin this.

I hope you two douchebags are happy with what you've done. I hope you are happy with these Macho approaches. Good job with that. I hope you enjoy being sentenced to 4-12 because that's what you deserve. It's what you've earned.

I'm not terribly happy about this either SoCal but do you really want us to go 4-12?

Taco John
03-15-2009, 08:31 PM
Again I ask...how reliable is Lombardi?

Very reliable. He's been on this story from the moment it broke, and has delivered the goods every step of the way. Vic seems to have good ties with the Cutler camp. I personally think he's talking directly with Jay himself.

24champ
03-15-2009, 08:31 PM
It's over guys, Jay isn't going to be a Bronco next season.

Now the Broncos need to move forward and start a bidding war for Jay, I think Jay ends up in Minnesota.

SoCalBronco
03-15-2009, 08:31 PM
Its a shame...but maybe sumpin good comes outta this?

The ONLY good thing that comes of this is that McDaniels leash just got a whole lot shorter. He won't have 3 years now. He will have 2 tops. He just made it a whole lot harder on himself. He made it alot harder to win and thats the only thing that can save him..winning and winning immediately. The press is going to eat this guy at every loss now. He better hope this year isnt a disaster or there will be a full fledged upheavel by the fans.

ZachKC
03-15-2009, 08:31 PM
Hilarity.

Archer81
03-15-2009, 08:31 PM
And here comes the OH NOES crowd...


:Broncos:

spdirty
03-15-2009, 08:32 PM
good job you ****ing douchebags.

Dudeskey
03-15-2009, 08:33 PM
It's over guys, Jay isn't going to be a Bronco next season.

Now the Broncos need to move forward and start a bidding war for Jay, I think Jay ends up in Minnesota.

I s'pose thats all there is left to do- we better have one helluva running game this year, because Simms is gonna need it...ô

rastaman
03-15-2009, 08:33 PM
Okay so what are the odds that Cutler goes to the team that Shanahan will eventually coach????

400HZ
03-15-2009, 08:33 PM
I'm sure gonna miss that loser.

Mogulseeker
03-15-2009, 08:33 PM
Hes under contract and its time to play hardball!

Exactly. If he wants to hold out for three years and ruin his career, so be it.

I expected for him to at least turn out.

Now I'm starting to turn on Cutler. I'm just scared that we let him go, he becomes another Peyton Manning.

rugbythug
03-15-2009, 08:33 PM
Heck of a job, Pat and Josh.

Heck of a job. Only complete ****ing morons could ruin this.

I hope you two douchebags are happy with what you've done. I hope you are happy with these Macho approaches. Good job with that. I hope you enjoy being sentenced to 4-12 because that's what you deserve. It's what you've earned.

Maybe if you can catch him quick and stroke his throbbing Ego he will not go.

Malcontent
03-15-2009, 08:34 PM
What is Invesco going to do opening day when McD trots out onto the field for the 1st time?

Archer81
03-15-2009, 08:35 PM
Well...this has been the most interesting offseason ever...But all things happen for a reason. We'll see what happens.


:Broncos:

halfcreek
03-15-2009, 08:35 PM
Very reliable. He's been on this story from the moment it broke, and has delivered the goods every step of the way. Vic seems to have good ties with the Cutler camp. I personally think he's talking directly with Jay himself.

He's a shill for Cook.

spdirty
03-15-2009, 08:35 PM
well the boycott is on. Think Im gonna go get Sunday Ticket. This just makes me sick to my stomach.

Dudeskey
03-15-2009, 08:36 PM
What is Invesco going to do opening day when McD trots out onto the field for the 1st time?

Likely will be a ****load of boos..

SoCalBronco
03-15-2009, 08:36 PM
I'm not terribly happy about this either SoCal but do you really want us to go 4-12?

It would depend on Pat Bowlen's views with regard to how loyal he is to Josh McDaniels. If he's starting to waver because of all of this...a disaster might be what is needed to rescue the team from its hijacking, because it would the last straw. If he's not, if he's absolutely resolute for his guy, then there's no use in it, because he's just stubborn and we might as well make the best of it and try to enjoy as much success as we can have. It really depends on Bowlen's mind and I have no way of knowing what he really and truly believes.

spdirty
03-15-2009, 08:36 PM
Maybe if you can catch him quick and stroke his throbbing Ego he will not go.

I would do that in a NY minute if I knew it would work. But Jay Cutler has made it crystal clear that he does not work with snakes.

24champ
03-15-2009, 08:36 PM
well the boycott is on. Think Im gonna go get Sunday Ticket. This just makes me sick to my stomach.

I just got some texts about people learning about this....people are ready to dump their season tickets...

GreatBronco16
03-15-2009, 08:37 PM
**** him. Tell him he isn't getting traded. He will be fined for every 'mandatory' meeting, practice etc that he doesn't show up and participate in. Then if he wants to no show for games, fine him again. If he shows up for games, I'd play him. Then he will show just how much money he is worth.

Man-Goblin
03-15-2009, 08:37 PM
Lombardi has admitted several times that his source was Jay Cutler when the story broke.

This is a sad day. I still hold out hope, though, that it can be worked out.

Ironlung
03-15-2009, 08:37 PM
I'll still be wearin my #6 on Sundays. This really is ridiculous.

Archer81
03-15-2009, 08:37 PM
I would do that in a NY minute if I knew it would work. But Jay Cutler has made it crystal clear that he does not work with snakes.


He should fire his agent then.


:Broncos:

spdirty
03-15-2009, 08:38 PM
Likely will be a ****load of boos..

as it should be.

ZONA
03-15-2009, 08:38 PM
The Broncos will get two 1st rounders and a 2nd rounder at the very least.

Here's why:

Jay has multiple years left on his contract and is only making only a little over a million this year (if he doesn't reach his incentives). Denver is holding ALL the cards. They are the ones with a young star QB with a huge arm who just went to the pro-bowl in only his 2nd full year. Just look back a few years at all the QB's taken in the 1st round that haven't really been worth the 1st round pick.

JaMarcus Russell (2008 - pick #1)
Brady Quinn (2008 - pick #22)
Vince Young (2007 - pick #3)
Matt Leinhart (2007 - pick #10)
Alex Smith (2006 - pick #1)
Aaron Rodgers (2005 - pick #24)
Jason Campbell (2005 - pick #25)
J.P. Losman (2004 - pick #22)

Last year Ryan and Flacco played great but you have to go back to 2004 before you even find multiple QB's taken in the 1st round that are worth their salt (Rothlisbeger, Rivers, Manning). That's 4 years between drafts where at least 2 QB's taken were any good. That means the risk is high that if you take a QB in the first round, I'd say you have less then a 40% chance they will be a great QB.

Trust me, teams have people who pull all these figures and they do realize it's much safer to try and trade for a proven NFL star QB then to draft one.

Cutler's value is plenty high. Two #1's and a 2nd at the very least.



And if the Broncos don't get what they want, Jay will sit next year and only make beans. The Broncos have plenty of time to work a trade on their terms.

Jay - hope you are ready to sit for a full year bud because it's looking like that might just happen.

montrose
03-15-2009, 08:38 PM
What is Invesco going to do opening day when McD trots out onto the field for the 1st time?

Cheer. Going to every game last season, the Football IQ of the fans at the game appeared to drop to me. When Eddie broke the long return against Miami we tried getting an Eddie chant going and people looked at us like we were speaking Chinese.

They'll cheer if the team is winning, boo if it's losing. No matter the players.

Archer81
03-15-2009, 08:39 PM
Lombardi has admitted several times that his source was Jay Cutler when the story broke.

This is a sad day. I still hold out hope, though, that it can be worked out.



All we can do is wait and see what happens.


:Broncos:

Dudeskey
03-15-2009, 08:39 PM
I just got some texts about people learning about this....people are ready to dump their season tickets...

http://www.nationalledger.com/artman/uploads/chart_down.jpg
ruh roh... If the broncos were a publicly traded company, it would be doing something like this

chickennob2
03-15-2009, 08:39 PM
Screw it. Give him the contract. Shut him up. Keep this thing together.

Mogulseeker
03-15-2009, 08:40 PM
What the hell does this primadonna want?

montrose
03-15-2009, 08:41 PM
I still don't think this means Jay is getting traded. I think it increases the chances obviously, but the Broncos wouldn't be the first team to sit back and wait on an unhappy player to show up. At this point, I think it'd be best to auction him off for the most assets we can get - but that doesn't mean that's what the Broncos are going to do.

Spider
03-15-2009, 08:41 PM
Meh , when Shanny got fired , the derailing began ....... Could you imagine an Agent dictating terms to Shanny ?
but a rookie HC .... why the hell not , but so long Cutler dont let the door hit you in the ass on the way out .........
take that ****ing Engleburger with you .........

Broncoman13
03-15-2009, 08:41 PM
**** him. Tell him he isn't getting traded. He will be fined for every 'mandatory' meeting, practice etc that he doesn't show up and participate in. Then if he wants to no show for games, fine him again. If he shows up for games, I'd play him. Then he will show just how much money he is worth.


And that helps the Denver Broncos in what way again???

SoCalBronco
03-15-2009, 08:42 PM
I just got some texts about people learning about this....people are ready to dump their season tickets...

Good. Hit him where it hurt$. Hit him HARD.

Being a true fan is knowing not only when to cheer but when to express your displeasure.....in a substantive way that makes them take notice.

Taco John
03-15-2009, 08:43 PM
Screw it. Give him the contract. Shut him up. Keep this thing together.


McDaniels would lose all credibility if this happened. At least with this situation, he can turn a mistake into a statement.

montrose
03-15-2009, 08:43 PM
What the hell does this primadonna want?

Purely speculation on my part, but if he were offered a 7 year extension worth over $100 million with about $35 million guaranteed and a no-trade clause - I think Jay would be at Dove Valley tomorrow morning with those teammates he claims to play for.

ZONA
03-15-2009, 08:43 PM
Who knows how this will turn out but can we please please please not have a stupid thread created about if Jay left would we still follow him. Please please please, save the server space for something worth a damn.

GreatBronco16
03-15-2009, 08:43 PM
And that helps the Denver Broncos in what way again???

Cause even a Jay Cutler half assing it out there is still better than what we have behind him if we can't trade him.

Man-Goblin
03-15-2009, 08:44 PM
I still don't think this means Jay is getting traded. I think it increases the chances obviously, but the Broncos wouldn't be the first team to sit back and wait on an unhappy player to show up. At this point, I think it'd be best to auction him off for the most assets we can get - but that doesn't mean that's what the Broncos are going to do.

If they don't get an offer they want, then let him sit. I would hope, now that things look bad, it doesn't reduce his trade value. Hopefully, you can get a bunch of teams into a bidding war, if it comes to that.

montrose
03-15-2009, 08:44 PM
McDaniels would lose all credibility if this happened. At least with this situation, he can turn a mistake into a statement.

That's a good point Taco. I keep wishing Jay would be a fighter and come in and prove people wrong by playing lights out but it just doesn't look like that's going to happen.

GreatBronco16
03-15-2009, 08:45 PM
Purely speculation on my part, but if he were offered a 7 year extension worth over $100 million with about $35 million guaranteed and a no-trade clause - I think Jay would be at Dove Valley tomorrow morning with those teammates he claims to play for.

Well he would have got it if Shanny wasn't fired. Not sure why Bowlen didn't want to go ahead and do it for him to begin with.

BroncoMan4ever
03-15-2009, 08:45 PM
Heck of a job, Pat and Josh.

Heck of a job. Only complete ****ing morons could ruin this.

I hope you two douchebags are happy with what you've done. I hope you are happy with these Macho approaches. Good job with that. I hope you enjoy being sentenced to 4-12 because that's what you deserve. It's what you've earned.

4-12 might be optimistic right now.

Man-Goblin
03-15-2009, 08:46 PM
4-12 might be optimistic right now.

Wow. It is funny to see how some fans react.

Rohirrim
03-15-2009, 08:46 PM
Heck of a job, Pat and Josh.

Heck of a job. Only complete ****ing morons could ruin this.

I hope you two douchebags are happy with what you've done. I hope you are happy with these Macho approaches. Good job with that. I hope you enjoy being sentenced to 4-12 because that's what you deserve. It's what you've earned.

What they've done? Do you truly believe that? Isn't it glaringly obvious that Bus and Jay have been working for this outcome for weeks?

BroncoMan4ever
03-15-2009, 08:47 PM
McDaniels would lose all credibility if this happened. At least with this situation, he can turn a mistake into a statement.

what's the statement, i will stomp the teams chances to oblivion so that i can be the top dog on the team?

Blueflame
03-15-2009, 08:48 PM
Hang on, Broncofans...the ride's really gonna get bumpy now.... :-/

spdirty
03-15-2009, 08:48 PM
Good. Hit him where it hurt$. Hit him HARD.

Being a true fan is knowing not only when to cheer but when to express your displeasure.....in a substantive way that makes them take notice.

Hammer. Nail. Head.

Arkansas Bronco
03-15-2009, 08:48 PM
well the boycott is on. Think Im gonna go get Sunday Ticket. This just makes me sick to my stomach.

Im skipping this year Ill probably get the radio input from yahoo and save a ton. Im not too excited this year, Ill stay loving my broncos but all this has gotten out of hand on power plays. I cant see anyway to shell out 400 bucks for a first year coach and maybe loosing our qb.

BroncoMan4ever
03-15-2009, 08:48 PM
What they've done? Do you truly believe that? Isn't it glaringly obvious that Bus and Jay have been working for this outcome for weeks?

no because had ****tard been honest and came out like a man and admitted this **** and told Jay it was over and they can move on in peace, and not tried to pull a power play on Jay trying to turn him into a ****ing lap dog, it would have ended weeks ago and this wouldn't have ****ing happened.

Man-Goblin
03-15-2009, 08:49 PM
What they've done? Do you truly believe that? Isn't it glaringly obvious that Bus and Jay have been working for this outcome for weeks?

While we can't know this for sure, my feelings are certainly slanted in that direction.

ZONA
03-15-2009, 08:49 PM
Good. Hit him where it hurt$. Hit him HARD.

Being a true fan is knowing not only when to cheer but when to express your displeasure.....in a substantive way that makes them take notice.

Yeah, great idea. Let's have as many fans bail so Pat will want to move the team to a different city. Yeah, great idea there Sherlock.

The DENVER BRONCOS are more important to me then any 1 player. Geez.

Bob's your Information Minister
03-15-2009, 08:50 PM
I really do feel sorry for you guys.

This is a ****ing awful punch to the stomach. In a strange way I will miss Jay Cutler.

summerdenver
03-15-2009, 08:50 PM
What is Invesco going to do opening day when McD trots out onto the field for the 1st time?

I hope they cheer him. I would if I were there.

BroncoMan4ever
03-15-2009, 08:50 PM
Im skipping this year Ill probably get the radio input from yahoo and save a ton. Im not too excited this year, Ill stay loving my broncos but all this has gotten out of hand on power plays. I cant see anyway to shell out 400 bucks for a first year coach and maybe loosing our qb.

agreed. i usually go to about 4 games or more a year, but now **** that. i am not spending a single penny on tickets to games until Mc****tard is fired.

i will sit at home and watch the broncos on tv.

razorwire77
03-15-2009, 08:50 PM
Bye, Bye, Emo Jay. Hope you enjoy picturesque Detroit, Michigan. Have fun playing a meaningless week 9 game at Solider Field in -15 degree weather, after your team has mathematically eliminated from the playoffs for 2 weeks.

Broncojef
03-15-2009, 08:51 PM
Good. Hit him where it hurt$. Hit him HARD.

Being a true fan is knowing not only when to cheer but when to express your displeasure.....in a substantive way that makes them take notice.

Well maybe you want to explain how Cutler just happened to put two houses up for sale prior to meeting with McD and the coaching staff. Just give him a pass SoCal, you can't get over your hatered or see that Jay had every intention all along to get traded and seek the big contract. His heart wasn't in Denver it was with the money and his agent. Jay is all about Jay and that attitude will never be successfull in the NFL, mark my words no matter where he goes his team will be subpar and people will continue to talk about his potential. He isn't a leader and could care less about the "guys" he was supposedly playing for. You can't calm someone down or seek common ground when they have no intention of making right. Jay will get the money he so desperately wants and hopefully we finally get a team to be proud of and cheer for. I hope McD goes 14-2 and makes all you haters eat your words. GO BRONCOS!!!!

Killericon
03-15-2009, 08:51 PM
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/11_02/057bomb_468x454.jpg

Well, there it is.

Heck of a job, Pat and Josh.

Heck of a job. Only complete ****ing morons could ruin this.

I hope you two douchebags are happy with what you've done. I hope you are happy with these Macho approaches. Good job with that. I hope you enjoy being sentenced to 4-12 because that's what you deserve. It's what you've earned.

While I certainly don't approve of how McDaniels, Xanders, and to a lesser extent, Bowlen, handled this, Cutler could've ended it and moved on at any point. He could've accepted being lied to(ALLEDGEDLY) and being shopped and acted like a ****ing man. Cutler acted like a baby. McDaniels, Xanders and Bowlen mismanaged their baby QB. Both parties are pretty ****ing responsible here.

spdirty
03-15-2009, 08:51 PM
Im skipping this year Ill probably get the radio input from yahoo and save a ton. Im not too excited this year, Ill stay loving my broncos but all this has gotten out of hand on power plays. I cant see anyway to shell out 400 bucks for a first year coach and maybe loosing our qb.

Im choosing Sunday Ticket over season tickets.

halfcreek
03-15-2009, 08:51 PM
Good. Hit him where it hurt$. Hit him HARD.

Being a true fan is knowing not only when to cheer but when to express your displeasure.....in a substantive way that makes them take notice.

Unbelievable. Makes about as much sense as that Dick you have a picture of.

Mogulseeker
03-15-2009, 08:51 PM
Purely speculation on my part, but if he were offered a 7 year extension worth over $100 million with about $35 million guaranteed and a no-trade clause - I think Jay would be at Dove Valley tomorrow morning with those teammates he claims to play for.

If this is all about money, we should just give it to him.

Is that what set this off though? A f*cking trade rumor that we might have opened a couple of emails from a few teams that wanted Cutler.

I'm so tired of the speculation. You can't side with either one until you know what happened. For all I know McD told Jay to go screw himself. Or maybe Jay is Ryan Leaf times 2.

Taco John
03-15-2009, 08:51 PM
what's the statement, i will stomp the teams chances to oblivion so that i can be the top dog on the team?


We'll find out what the statement the players get based on how they respond during the season. It might be "this is a team, and no one is above the team." Or it might be "everyone is accountable except for me." The question is whether the locker room picks up on McDaniels team message, or his finger-pointing.

Killericon
03-15-2009, 08:52 PM
Man...How different things would've been if Hillis hadn't been injured.

yerner
03-15-2009, 08:52 PM
Bowlens an idiot. Mcdaniels is a jerkoff. Cutler is an asshole. Ladies and gentlemen, your denver broncos.

SoCalBronco
03-15-2009, 08:52 PM
What they've done? Do you truly believe that? Isn't it glaringly obvious that Bus and Jay have been working for this outcome for weeks?

Roh,

Even if that was true, these people were stupid enough to give them a Grand Canyon-like opening. They went out and leaked stuff to smear him. They went off on their Macho act in a meeting designed to cool tensions. They've consistently adopted this hardass approach which is counterproductive. Beating your chest about how you're in charge isn't the answer. It's not productive. Trying to smear him isn't going to win him over. Its not a strategy reasonably designed to win hearts and minds. Good Lord, these people are incompetent. They're ****ing incompetent. They have hijacked this team and they have allowed this thing to degenerate into a complete ****storm. I am embarassed that Pat Bowlen and Josh McDaniels lead my team. I am flat out embarassed that this is my owner and this is my head coach. I'm ****ing pissed with these cocksmokers. I'm ****ing pissed.

Arkie
03-15-2009, 08:52 PM
Cutler: "Let me just say, as I ease myself out of Denver - which I helped build by the way - that there is such a thing as manners. A way of treating people. These fish have manners. These fish have manners. In fact, the fish are coming with me. I'm starting a new team and the fish are coming with me. You can call me sentimental, but the fish are coming with me. Okay if anybody else wants to come with me, this moment will be the moment of something real and fun and inspiring in this godforsaken game and we will do it together!"
Scheffler smiles
Cutler: "Who's coming with me? ...Who's coming with me?...
Scheffler glances around the lockerroom, everybody's quiet and very concerned about Jay's mental stability
A dejected Jay: "Okay, okay" He sees nobody is with him, he turns to leave.
Scheffler stands up "I will go with you!"
Jay turns to him, pointing his finger "Tony, Thank You!" He turns to everybody else "We will see all of you again. Sleep tight!"
He and Scheff walk out of the lockerrom together holding hands.

Mogulseeker
03-15-2009, 08:53 PM
Man...How different things would've been if Hillis hadn't been injured.

Hillis doesn't get injured, we make the playoffs, Shanny is still the boss.

Dagmar
03-15-2009, 08:53 PM
Heck of a job, Pat and Josh.

Heck of a job. Only complete ****ing morons could ruin this.

I hope you two douchebags are happy with what you've done. I hope you are happy with these Macho approaches. Good job with that. I hope you enjoy being sentenced to 4-12 because that's what you deserve. It's what you've earned.

Enjoy supporting whatever team you decide lives up to your code. The one where players have all the power, and the coach does what he is told.

BroncoMan4ever
03-15-2009, 08:54 PM
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/11_02/057bomb_468x454.jpg

Well, there it is.



While I certainly don't approve of how McDaniels, Xanders, and to a lesser extent, Bowlen, handled this, Cutler could've ended it and moved on at any point. He could've accepted being lied to(ALLEDGEDLY) and being shopped and acted like a ****ing man. Cutler acted like a baby. McDaniels, Xanders and Bowlen mismanaged their baby QB. Both parties are pretty ****ing responsible here.


how are none of you Jay Bashers not seeing that McDaniels is as big if not a bigger ****ing baby in this mess?

he could have been smart and been a man and been truthful and told Jay it was over weeks ago, but no he decided to string Jay along and keep trying to put Jay in his place instead of settle **** with him.

Jay's place is at the top of this franchise, he is the ****ing franchise and Bowlen allowed some stupid ****ing baby retard to **** up his team

Mogulseeker
03-15-2009, 08:55 PM
Cutler still has three years on a fairly meager contract. I wonder if he has any idea how easily the Broncos can ruin him.

Rohirrim
03-15-2009, 08:56 PM
Man...How different things would've been if Hillis hadn't been injured.

Of course I don't know, but I'll bet Bowlen decided Shanahan was done after that ass kicking by the Raiders in our own house.

GreatBronco16
03-15-2009, 08:57 PM
how are none of you Jay Bashers not seeing that McDaniels is as big if not a bigger ****ing baby in this mess?

he could have been smart and been a man and been truthful and told Jay it was over weeks ago, but no he decided to string Jay along and keep trying to put Jay in his place instead of settle **** with him.

Jay's place is at the top of this franchise, he is the ****ing franchise and Bowlen allowed some stupid ****ing baby retard to **** up his team

Jesus man, McDaniels and Bowlen told him that he wasn't going to be traded. More than on one ocassion. What more did they need to do? Pop their titty back in his mouth?

Rock Chalk
03-15-2009, 08:57 PM
So, if I get in line for season tickets, from what Im seeing here I will be getting them sometime this summer? Awesome.

All you bandwagoners can go **** yourselves. Im staying on the broncos bandwagon.

montrose
03-15-2009, 08:57 PM
What they've done? Do you truly believe that? Isn't it glaringly obvious that Bus and Jay have been working for this outcome for weeks?

I think that could be the case, but all parties hold some blame for what this has come to. Everyone f'ed up in some regard.

GreatBronco16
03-15-2009, 08:57 PM
Cutler still has three years on a fairly meager contract. I wonder if he has any idea how easily the Broncos can ruin him.

Oh his agent hasn't filled him in on that part yet.

Predaphin
03-15-2009, 08:58 PM
Bring back John Elway lol

Dudeskey
03-15-2009, 08:58 PM
Bowlens an idiot. Mcdaniels is a jerkoff. Cutler is an a-hole. Ladies and gentlemen, your denver broncos.

This would not have been possible without the assistance of Bus ****ing Cook...ô

Broncojef
03-15-2009, 08:58 PM
how are none of you Jay Bashers not seeing that McDaniels is as big if not a bigger ****ing baby in this mess?

he could have been smart and been a man and been truthful and told Jay it was over weeks ago, but no he decided to string Jay along and keep trying to put Jay in his place instead of settle **** with him.

Jay's place is at the top of this franchise, he is the ****ing franchise and Bowlen allowed some stupid ****ing baby retard to **** up his team

Broncos>Jay

I even remember winning SuperBowls without him. His 7-9 / 8-8 contributions will be missed. Maybe he can use his arm stronger than Elway's to win a game or two in Detroit over the next few years.

GoHAM
03-15-2009, 08:59 PM
**** This ****!

This whole situation is totally unnecessary and uncalled for.

**** McKid and **** Bowlen and **** Cutler for letting it get to this point.

GreatBronco16
03-15-2009, 08:59 PM
So, if I get in line for season tickets, from what Im seeing here I will be getting them sometime this summer? Awesome.

All you bandwagoners can go **** yourselves. Im staying on the broncos bandwagon.

Does this mean the price will drop too? I might just get in line for some too. Then sell them back to the idiots when they jump back on the wagon.

BroncoMan4ever
03-15-2009, 08:59 PM
Bye, Bye, Emo Jay. Hope you enjoy picturesque Detroit, Michigan. Have fun playing a meaningless week 9 game at Solider Field in -15 degree weather, after your team has mathematically eliminated from the playoffs for 2 weeks.

well we Broncos fans will find out soon what t feelis like to be eliminated from playoff contention early in the season all thanks to Mc****head.

and unlike Jay's suffering which will end in 2 years when he is eligible for FA and can go to a team he wants to play for, ours is going to continue for a long time

Killericon
03-15-2009, 08:59 PM
how are none of you Jay Bashers not seeing that McDaniels is as big if not a bigger ****ing baby in this mess?

he could have been smart and been a man and been truthful and told Jay it was over weeks ago, but no he decided to string Jay along and keep trying to put Jay in his place instead of settle **** with him.

Jay's place is at the top of this franchise, he is the ****ing franchise and Bowlen allowed some stupid ****ing baby retard to **** up his team

*Sigh* The problem is, Jay figured that out.

The reason why I'm not so quick to jump all over McDaniels is because we don't know what he did. Everything that's been said about him lying...It's all been according to "sources". I don't buy all of it. Cutler's actions have been loud and clear.

Man-Goblin
03-15-2009, 08:59 PM
how are none of you Jay Bashers not seeing that McDaniels is as big if not a bigger ****ing baby in this mess?

he could have been smart and been a man and been truthful and told Jay it was over weeks ago, but no he decided to string Jay along and keep trying to put Jay in his place instead of settle **** with him.

Jay's place is at the top of this franchise, he is the ****ing franchise and Bowlen allowed some stupid ****ing baby retard to **** up his team

You are a complete joke.

I hope you follow Jay wherever he goes, I mean, IF he goes.

You just stated that you won't support the Broncos until McDaniels is fired. What if he works it out with Cutler? What if he doesn't and he still succeeds? are you still going to pout?

Not that I really care.

montrose
03-15-2009, 09:00 PM
If this is all about money, we should just give it to him.

I think that'd set a bad precedent. Now if Cutler had reported (pissy and all) and had a lights out offseason and camp, solidifying to all that he can run this system and take the Broncos to the big game - I'd be open for giving him a new deal.

But at this point giving in after the stance the team has taken wouldn't be good. It not only makes the team look like they're not strong enough to stand up to their word, but it gives other players leverage when they want new deals.

It basically goes against everything McDaniels' prior employer stood for and everything it appears he's been trying to establish here.

halfcreek
03-15-2009, 09:01 PM
Roh,

Even if that was true, these people were stupid enough to give them a Grand Canyon-like opening. They went out and leaked stuff to smear him. They went off on their Macho act in a meeting designed to cool tensions. They've consistently adopted this hardass approach which is counterproductive. Beating your chest about how you're in charge isn't the answer. It's not productive. Trying to smear him isn't going to win him over. Its not a strategy reasonably designed to win hearts and minds. Good Lord, these people are incompetent. They're ****ing incompetent. They have hijacked this team and they have allowed this thing to degenerate into a complete ****storm. I am embarassed that Pat Bowlen and Josh McDaniels lead my team. I am flat out embarassed that this is my owner and this is my head coach. I'm ****ing pissed with these cocksmokers. I'm ****ing pissed.

And you know all of this how?

rugbythug
03-15-2009, 09:01 PM
Roh,

Even if that was true, these people were stupid enough to give them a Grand Canyon-like opening. The size of the Opening is only Related to how big Jay says it is. How many times have Xanders and Mcdaniels said he is not going to be traded? The said it 3 times in the first couple of days.

They went out and leaked stuff to smear him.The Broncos have leaked next to nothing. The Jay Buss show is doing all the leaking.

They went off on their Macho act in a meeting designed to cool tensions. Straight from the JayBuss mouth

They've consistently adopted this hardass approach which is counterproductive. Beating your chest about how you're in charge isn't the answer.Repeat of last statemnt

It's not productive. Trying to smear him isn't going to win him over. Its not a strategy reasonably designed to win hearts and minds.You can't win over a mind made up. If Jay wanted to play in Denver he would of STFU 2 weeks ago

Good Lord, these people are incompetent.Why? Because one player is not ready to switch offenses? The Patriots had a better offense than the Broncos since McD has been a Coordinator. At least that is what Shanny thought when he tried to emulate it.

They're ****ing incompetent. They have hijacked this team and they have allowed this thing to degenerate into a complete ****storm.Jay made this storm and could end it in one hour if he wished.



Jay is quitting on this team before he plays one snap. That is your hero.

BroncoMan4ever
03-15-2009, 09:01 PM
Jesus man, McDaniels and Bowlen told him that he wasn't going to be traded. More than on one ocassion. What more did they need to do? Pop their titty back in his mouth?

McDaniels also came in and said Jay was the man and couldn't wait to work with Jay, and those turned out to be bull**** words.

and why should Jay think his new words are anything but bull****? all McDumb**** is saying is we won't trade him but to Jay's face he is basically telling him that he is expendable.

NFLBRONCO
03-15-2009, 09:02 PM
Bye BABY Cutler

Arkansas Bronco
03-15-2009, 09:02 PM
Im choosing Sunday Ticket over season tickets.

Well you are saving thousands and the way this is working well deserved. I cant pay to watch a team that isnt doing its best to bring the top level team for me. I love my Grizzlies as well but been to just 1 game the past 2 years and its all management.

spdirty
03-15-2009, 09:03 PM
So, if I get in line for season tickets, from what Im seeing here I will be getting them sometime this summer? Awesome.

All you bandwagoners can go **** yourselves. Im staying on the broncos bandwagon.

And embrace the status quo we will soon have as a constant top 10 pick team and refuse to hold this idiotic regime accountable. Good job.:thumbs:

arghemtee
03-15-2009, 09:03 PM
and this puts the icing on the cake.

We're ****ed.

Congratulations Pat Bowlen and Josh McDaniels, you just set the Denver Broncos back 10 years.

GoHAM
03-15-2009, 09:03 PM
On a positive note, If we do in fact trade Cutler we ought to have top five pick next season and have a crack at one of the top QB's in the draft next year. [jerk off motion,in a non "happy ending" way]

Broncojef
03-15-2009, 09:03 PM
well we Broncos fans will find out soon what t feelis like to be eliminated from playoff contention all thanks to Mc****head.

and unlike Jay's suffering which will end in 2 years when he is eligible for FA and can go to a team he wants to play for, ours is going to continue for a long time

Dude, seriously what team have you been watching thinking it was the Broncos the last 10 years. Jay will be out of football in 4 years, he'll get his fat paycheck soon.

Dagmar
03-15-2009, 09:03 PM
This news also means his value has fallen greatly. Jay Cutler does not give a crap about the Denver Broncos. Send him to Detroit.

montrose
03-15-2009, 09:04 PM
Man...How different things would've been if Hillis hadn't been injured.

Crazy isn't it? I suppose another way of looking at it is what would've happened had Ed not blown the call in Week 2, one incident can really change history. Per Hillis, I think we would've beat Buffalo and then been smashed by Indy at home in the playoffs. Shanny would probably be back (although that's not a given as it was reported and Bowlen did say he'd been thinking about this for a while) and after making some moves to bring in more talent on defense, we'd be slightly better defensively but still have to deal with Slowik's suckiness.

It's all history now.

24champ
03-15-2009, 09:04 PM
http://www.simpsoncrazy.com/movie/promo-angry-mob.jpg

montrose
03-15-2009, 09:05 PM
Bowlens an idiot. Mcdaniels is a jerkoff. Cutler is an a-hole. Ladies and gentlemen, your denver broncos.

And Marshall's a woman-beater! :gobroncos

Rohirrim
03-15-2009, 09:05 PM
Roh,

Even if that was true, these people were stupid enough to give them a Grand Canyon-like opening. They went out and leaked stuff to smear him. They went off on their Macho act in a meeting designed to cool tensions. They've consistently adopted this hardass approach which is counterproductive. Beating your chest about how you're in charge isn't the answer. It's not productive. Trying to smear him isn't going to win him over. Its not a strategy reasonably designed to win hearts and minds. Good Lord, these people are incompetent. They're ****ing incompetent. They have hijacked this team and they have allowed this thing to degenerate into a complete ****storm. I am embarassed that Pat Bowlen and Josh McDaniels lead my team. I am flat out embarassed that this is my owner and this is my head coach. I'm ****ing pissed with these cocksmokers. I'm ****ing pissed.

I've heard people say that on this board a few times now, that the Broncos leaked stuff and smeared Cutler, but I have yet to see a link for it, or any shred of evidence for it. From what I've seen and read, this was a pretty innocent and commonplace trade discussion that Cutler's agent has blown sky high and kept injecting into every news cycle for weeks to get his client a big payday somewhere closer to home. The only response I've seen from the Broncos has been measured and businesslike. I think they pretty much knew what the game was when it started. As much as people like to smear Bowlen, he's no dummy. I'm pretty sure he knew what Bus was up to weeks ago.

thumpc
03-15-2009, 09:06 PM
It would depend on Pat Bowlen's views with regard to how loyal he is to Josh McDaniels. If he's starting to waver because of all of this...a disaster might be what is needed to rescue the team from its hijacking, because it would the last straw. If he's not, if he's absolutely resolute for his guy, then there's no use in it, because he's just stubborn and we might as well make the best of it and try to enjoy as much success as we can have. It really depends on Bowlen's mind and I have no way of knowing what he really and truly believes.

Looking at Bowlen wield the axe this year, I would expect him to be unafraid to cut Xanders and/or McyD loose after just one season. If they aren't running an elite, unified team by next offseason then Pat can promote another HC from within, keep all the assistants he can, have a scotch and relax.

MplsBronco
03-15-2009, 09:07 PM
Cutler still has three years on a fairly meager contract. I wonder if he has any idea how easily the Broncos can ruin him.

Exactly, if the Broncos don't hold out for what they consider to be a top of the line offer, then make him 3rd string. I believe his money is all tied up in bonuses in '10 and '11 and those are performance based. Regardless of the deal, i want cutler sent to a loser, ala Detroit, or just sit his ass and fine him if he doesn't show for workouts.

Seems to me the Broncos have all the leverage here.

As I watched the 1st SD game this year I proclaimed Cutler was going to becomethe best in the game. You couldn't find a bigger supporter than myself.

But seeing how he is treating my Denver Broncos, he can absolutely **** off and I wish him nothing but ill-will.

Hopefully this will also clear out the bandwagon fans. I see this as a transition period and I am looking forward to it.

thumpc
03-15-2009, 09:07 PM
It would depend on Pat Bowlen's views with regard to how loyal he is to Josh McDaniels. If he's starting to waver because of all of this...a disaster might be what is needed to rescue the team from its hijacking, because it would the last straw. If he's not, if he's absolutely resolute for his guy, then there's no use in it, because he's just stubborn and we might as well make the best of it and try to enjoy as much success as we can have. It really depends on Bowlen's mind and I have no way of knowing what he really and truly believes.

Looking at Bowlen wield the axe this year, I would expect him to be unafraid to cut Xanders and/or McyD loose after just one season. If they aren't running an elite, unified team by next offseason then Pat can promote another HC from within, keep all the assistants he can, have a scotch and relax.:charge: :smashpats

SoCalBronco
03-15-2009, 09:08 PM
http://humor.beecy.net/politics/bushisms/brownie/bush-brownie.jpg

Can any of you folks who are talented with Photoshop insert Bowlen's face in that of W and McDaniels in that of Mike Brown.

Mogulseeker
03-15-2009, 09:08 PM
I think that'd set a bad precedent. Now if Cutler had reported (pissy and all) and had a lights out offseason and camp, solidifying to all that he can run this system and take the Broncos to the big game - I'd be open for giving him a new deal.

But at this point giving in after the stance the team has taken wouldn't be good. It not only makes the team look like they're not strong enough to stand up to their word, but it gives other players leverage when they want new deals.

It basically goes against everything McDaniels' prior employer stood for and everything it appears he's been trying to establish here.

Ladies and gentlemen: The Denver jr. Patriots!

Killericon
03-15-2009, 09:08 PM
I have questions. What to do with Marshall? Could we swing a deal sending him some place that ends with us with Boldin?

Furthermore, if we trade with Cleveland can we get Derek Anderson instead of freaking Brady Quinn?

Dagmar
03-15-2009, 09:10 PM
SoCal, you have spent a month willing the Broncos to fail. Cali has some teams. Raiders/49ers, enjoy supporting them.

spdirty
03-15-2009, 09:12 PM
Ladies and gentlemen: The Denver jr. Lions!

fixed.

GoHAM
03-15-2009, 09:12 PM
I have questions. What to do with Marshall? Could we swing a deal sending him some place that ends with us with Boldin?

Furthermore, if we trade with Cleveland can we get Derek Anderson instead of freaking Brady Quinn?
Can we get Anderson and Quinn? ???

That would Double our Fun.

BroncoMan4ever
03-15-2009, 09:12 PM
You are a complete joke.

I hope you follow Jay wherever he goes, I mean, IF he goes.

You just stated that you won't support the Broncos until McDaniels is fired. What if he works it out with Cutler? What if he doesn't and he still succeeds? are you still going to pout?

Not that I really care.

i never said i wouldn't continue in support of the broncos even wit McDaniels here, but if Jay is traded and McDaniels is still here, i will not be buying my usual 4 tickets to 4 separate games until McDaniels is gone. i will watch from home until McDickface is gone.

i will not spend upwards of 1600 to go see 4 games to watch McDumb**** lead the team into doormat status in person.

Dagmar
03-15-2009, 09:13 PM
http://www.profootballtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/cutlerjacko.JPG

Mogulseeker
03-15-2009, 09:14 PM
Exactly, if the Broncos don't hold out for what they consider to be a top of the line offer, then make him 3rd string. I believe his money is all tied up in bonuses in '10 and '11 and those are performance based. Regardless of the deal, i want cutler sent to a loser, ala Detroit, or just sit his ass and fine him if he doesn't show for workouts.

Seems to me the Broncos have all the leverage here.

As I watched the 1st SD game this year I proclaimed Cutler was going to becomethe best in the game. You couldn't find a bigger supporter than myself.

But seeing how he is treating my Denver Broncos, he can absolutely **** off and I wish him nothing but ill-will.

Hopefully this will also clear out the bandwagon fans. I see this as a transition period and I am looking forward to it.

This is the silver lining. The Broncos DO have leverage - we have three years to sort this out. We have tools - fines, performance-based incentives. If Cutler is smart, he'll play for McD for the sake of his career. Play it out for a year and if the differences are irreconcilable by then, make a decision between McD or Jay.

SouthStndJunkie
03-15-2009, 09:14 PM
I have questions. What to do with Marshall? Could we swing a deal sending him some place that ends with us with Boldin?

Furthermore, if we trade with Cleveland can we get Derek Anderson instead of freaking Brady Quinn?

Trade for Derek Anderson?

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Old No. 7
03-15-2009, 09:15 PM
It's over guys, Jay isn't going to be a Bronco next season.

Now the Broncos need to move forward and start a bidding war for Jay, I think Jay ends up in Minnesota.

Yep.

Now, you might be able to work an angle with Detroit and pick up Elway's Bastard Texas Love Child, but you'll have to wait about 2 to 3 years before he's worth a ****.

But hey; at least he'll kinda LOOK like Elway when he gives interviews, yes?

In the interim, Jay just called and requested this Long Distance Dedication for his Donko Faithful:

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SoCalBronco
03-15-2009, 09:15 PM
SoCal, you have spent a month willing the Broncos to fail. Cali has some teams. Raiders/49ers, enjoy supporting them.

Another person who can't even distinguish between criticism and not being a fan. You, sir, are a hypocrite. On the WRP forum, you have justly called out those in the political arena who drape themselves around the flag and confuse patriotism with blind loyalty but you are making that very same mistake here. If you can't handle criticism...fierce criticism, then that's your problem. I won't have you questioning my fandom. I was a fan of this team before you even came to this country. You can join ApaOps on my ignore list, Dagmar.

HEAV
03-15-2009, 09:15 PM
Nice to see the real Cutler show up...

This kid has been playing games for month's now. He wanted out the minute Shanny and Bates got fired.

The trade offer was crack he needed to widen and get free.

He's going to get traded and get a heavy new deal. This isn't about team, winning, or being not wanted. It's about money,getting his way and having control.

Good luck kid! You could have succeeded under McDaniels and his offense.

Now I have to sell all my Cutler junk, cards,jersey,figures...you'd think I learn not to invest in Bronco QB stuff.

Hercules Rockefeller
03-15-2009, 09:16 PM
The ONLY good thing that comes of this is that McDaniels leash just got a whole lot shorter. He won't have 3 years now. He will have 2 tops. He just made it a whole lot harder on himself. He made it alot harder to win and thats the only thing that can save him..winning and winning immediately. The press is going to eat this guy at every loss now. He better hope this year isnt a disaster or there will be a full fledged upheavel by the fans.

No it didn't, it just got a hell of a lot longer. McDaniels was wrong the way he handled it in the beginning, but Cutler has been an absolute bitch since it broke that the team listened to offers for him. You don't think Pat sees that? This team wasn't coming anywhere near .500 with that schedule and defense next year, even with Cutler under center. McDaniels now has complete freedom to build the team the way he wants to, and that will include time to find his QB for his system. Short of a 1-15 or 0-16 season, McD is going to be here for a few seasons.

GoHAM
03-15-2009, 09:16 PM
I'll trade McKid as HC for Slowick as DC straight up if it means I can have Shanny back.

brncobrett
03-15-2009, 09:17 PM
Exactly, if the Broncos don't hold out for what they consider to be a top of the line offer, then make him 3rd string. I believe his money is all tied up in bonuses in '10 and '11 and those are performance based. Regardless of the deal, i want cutler sent to a loser, ala Detroit, or just sit his ass and fine him if he doesn't show for workouts.

Seems to me the Broncos have all the leverage here.

As I watched the 1st SD game this year I proclaimed Cutler was going to becomethe best in the game. You couldn't find a bigger supporter than myself.

But seeing how he is treating my Denver Broncos, he can absolutely **** off and I wish him nothing but ill-will.

Hopefully this will also clear out the bandwagon fans. I see this as a transition period and I am looking forward to it.


:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Killericon
03-15-2009, 09:17 PM
Trade for Derek Anderson?

*Vomit Pic*

I'm sorry, but why is that a bad idea? His credentials are roughly the same as Cutler's, add one injured season, and he's the same age. I'd rather have him than Quinn, that's for sure.

DenverBrit
03-15-2009, 09:17 PM
Heck of a job, Pat and Josh.

Heck of a job. Only complete ****ing morons could ruin this.

I hope you two douchebags are happy with what you've done. I hope you are happy with these Macho approaches. Good job with that. I hope you enjoy being sentenced to 4-12 because that's what you deserve. It's what you've earned.

Ok, I have to ask. You've been melting down since the story first broke.
What is it about McDaniels that makes you hate him so much?
We know almost nothing about what happened during the 'trade'......except the story seems consistent no matter where you look....the Broncos didn't initiate the trade. Do you have information that indicates otherwise?

Or are you just supporting Cutler, no matter how childish and pouty he has become.
Or do you just hate any HC not named Shannahan?
Seriously, I don't get it. ???

DenverBrit
03-15-2009, 09:18 PM
Nice to see the real Cutler show up...

This kid has been playing games for month's now. He wanted out the minute Shanny and Bates got fired.

The trade offer was crack he needed to widen and get free.

He's going to get traded and get a heavy new deal. This isn't about team, winning, or being not wanted. It's about money,getting his way and having control.

Good luck kid! You could have succeeded under McDaniels and his offense.

Now I have to sell all my Cutler junk, cards,jersey,figures...you'd think I learn not to invest in Bronco QB stuff.

I think you nailed it there.

SouthStndJunkie
03-15-2009, 09:19 PM
This blows.

I was looking forward to Cutler slinging the rock for the Broncos for the next 10-12 years.

It does not really matter to me whose fault it is right now.

This whole situation has taken away my joy of the offseason....now I just feel flat about the upcoming season.

I still am and always will be a Broncos fan....but this whole ordeal sucks giant donkey balls.

HEAV
03-15-2009, 09:19 PM
Another person who can't even distinguish between criticism and not being a fan. You, sir, are a hypocrite. On the WRP forum, you have justly called out those in the political arena who drape themselves around the flag and confuse patriotism with blind loyalty but you are making that very same mistake here. If you can't handle criticism...fierce criticism, then that's your problem. I won't have you questioning my fandom. I was a fan of this team before you even came to this country. You can join ApaOps on my ignore list, Dagmar.


Criticism is one thing, hell I have criticized Shanny,Griese,Jay,Brandon and so on, But I never have hope'd for the team to fail.

You have become damn near insane with your hate. It's sad becuase you used to be a level headed poster and the best MOD this place had.

Blueflame
03-15-2009, 09:21 PM
Ladies and gentlemen: The Denver jr. Patriots!

I call 'em the "Bratriots"... (Broncos/Patriots hybrid; heavy on the "Patriots" ... or is that just Patriots-wannabes?)

TerrElway
03-15-2009, 09:21 PM
**** this sh**. This is a Broncos message board. Not the Jay Cutler ass-grab-a-thon. This is about the team. The Broncos were here before Cutler was an itch in his daddy's pants and they'll be here when he is gone.

And if some player, no matter how talented (albeit talent has yet to lead to a winning record), has cramps in his ego-gina about the fact that he might be just another sausage in the grinder, then tough titty said the kitty with a roar.

I think McDouche and the gang bunged this whole thing up, yes, but the level of the response from the Cutler camp is so damn off the charts it is laughable. THIS is how you want the leader of your team to act? Really? I hate to say it but at this point, I say good riddance to Jay.

It's hard to find that kind of physical talent, but I would prefer a leader of MEN who acts like a MAN with lesser talent to a big armed talent with a fragile ego who throws as many hissy fits as INTS.

I am not a supporter of McIdiot or Cutler. I am a supporter of the DENVER F****** BRONCOS.

Borks147
03-15-2009, 09:21 PM
Its times like these that make me remember how ****ing insignificant this sport that we love really is. I look forward to seeing my team play next, regardless of who they have under center. Will I miss Cutler's laser rocket arm? Sure. Will I rather have a QB I can tolerate as a human being? Yup.

summerdenver
03-15-2009, 09:23 PM
I've heard people say that on this board a few times now, that the Broncos leaked stuff and smeared Cutler, but I have yet to see a link for it, or any shred of evidence for it. From what I've seen and read, this was a pretty innocent and commonplace trade discussion that Cutler's agent has blown sky high and kept injecting into every news cycle for weeks to get his client a big payday somewhere closer to home. The only response I've seen from the Broncos has been measured and businesslike. I think they pretty much knew what the game was when it started. As much as people like to smear Bowlen, he's no dummy. I'm pretty sure he knew what Bus was up to weeks ago.

After the news broke out, Broncos did not issue a statement for two days and also cutoff all communication with Cutler and his agent (There was link with Cook's interview but I am too lazy to search it now). In the mean time in MMQB, Peter king writes that a team source told him Jay asked to be traded. No one corroborates it but even if it is true, why do you leak it? It's not going to help you resolve the issue.

Then Klis writes that Scheff will be traded, Broncos sign Chris Simms to a big deal (for a backup). Why take such a confrontational stance?

Before the alleged meeting to cool things, it comes out that Culter did not retun Bowlen's calls. After the meeting it was reported that Cutler did not like being criticised in the meeting. I mean even if it is true, why leak this to the media? It makes Jay look bad sure, but will it help you resolve the issue.

What is more important proving that Jay is wrong or getting the issue resolved? I get it that Jay and his camp did a poor job of handling it, IMHO, so did Broncos by taking a needless macho stance.

Killericon
03-15-2009, 09:23 PM
http://www.cowart.info/blog/uploaded_images/lombardi_trophy-749084.jpg

http://graphics.jsonline.com/graphics/packer/img/news/mar08/favre2_speaks30608-308.jpg

Both had to be done.

Rabb
03-15-2009, 09:24 PM
I just heard from them a month ago and I was 6,000 or so on the ticket list, up from 9,000 last year

I hope every single one of you fair weather ****ing "fans" go and cancel so I can have them quicker to root for the TEAM I have always rooted for and please by all means follow Cutler wherever he goes.

I liked the guy too but Jesus, I am simply amazed how many Cutler dick holders there are here...the 2 people to be upset with are Cutler and Cook, not Bowlen and McDaniels

I know it is not the best thing for the Broncos but a part of me hopes they sit his ass until his contract is up, and I wouldn't be shocked to see it happen

Rohirrim
03-15-2009, 09:26 PM
We've still got an excellent Oline and some pretty damn good WRs.

SouthStndJunkie
03-15-2009, 09:26 PM
I'm sorry, but why is that a bad idea? His credentials are roughly the same as Cutler's, add one injured season, and he's the same age. I'd rather have him than Quinn, that's for sure.

I do not want Derek Anderson in Denver.

I have seen enough of him in Cleveland to know he is average at best.

Please don't compare him to Cutler....Anderson completed 50% of his passes last year....good for 32nd in the league.

YPA? 31st in the league.

Rating 66.5....32nd in the league.

He sucks....he is an inaccurate statue.

Don Flamenco
03-15-2009, 09:28 PM
has it begun?

HEAV
03-15-2009, 09:28 PM
Well there is hope for BRONCOS fans. Look at thsi past year! Two rookie QB's lead thier teams to the playoff's! Also two older veterans lead teams ti the playoff's...hell one nearly one the damn Super Bowl!

There are options out their from:
Jeff Garcia
J.P. Losman
Kyle Boller
Rex Grossman

One of the above can be brought in to compete with Simms. While a draft pick learns the NFL life.

Rohirrim
03-15-2009, 09:31 PM
After the news broke out, Broncos did not issue a statement for two days and also cutoff all communication with Cutler and his agent (There was link with Cook's interview but I am too lazy to search it now). In the mean time in MMQB, Peter king writes that a team source told him Jay asked to be traded. No one corroborates it but even if it is true, why do you leak it? It's not going to help you resolve the issue.

Then Klis writes that Scheff will be traded, Broncos sign Chris Simms to a big deal (for a backup). Why take such a confrontational stance?

Before the alleged meeting to cool things, it comes out that Culter did not retun Bowlen's calls. After the meeting it was reported that Cutler did not like being criticised in the meeting. I mean even if it is true, why leak this to the media? It makes Jay look bad sure, but will it help you resolve the issue.

What is more important proving that Jay is wrong or getting the issue resolved? I get it that Jay and his camp did a poor job of handling it, IMHO, so did Broncos by taking a needless macho stance.

I see a bunch of innuendo but I don't see the Broncos "smearing" Cutler, and I don't see any proof that the Broncos leaked anything. The constant supply of media fodder has been coming from the Cutler camp throughout. From what I've seen, the Broncos have handled this in a very businesslike manner. I wouldn't characterize it as "macho."

Killericon
03-15-2009, 09:34 PM
I do not want Derek Anderson in Denver.

I have seen enough of him in Cleveland to know he is average at best.

Please don't compare him to Cutler....Anderson completed 50% of his passes last year....good for 32nd in the league.

YPA? 31st in the league.

Rating 66.5....32nd in the league.

He sucks....he is an inaccurate statue.

Last year was a bad year, sure. What about the year before?

HEAV
03-15-2009, 09:34 PM
http://www.profootballtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/cutlerjacko.JPG

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/2480/stumpypony1.jpg (http://img19.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stumpypony1.jpg)
Too bad we won't get a chance to see the little guy grow up...

Killericon
03-15-2009, 09:38 PM
Anyone else notice that this article is over a day old?

thumpc
03-15-2009, 09:38 PM
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epicSocialism4tw
03-15-2009, 09:39 PM
Well there is hope for BRONCOS fans. Look at thsi past year! Two rookie QB's lead thier teams to the playoff's! Also two older veterans lead teams ti the playoff's...hell one nearly one the damn Super Bowl!

There are options out their from:
Jeff Garcia
J.P. Losman
Kyle Boller
Rex Grossman

One of the above can be brought in to compete with Simms. While a draft pick learns the NFL life.

Wow.

From a franchise QB to garbage in a matter of months.

That, folks is what an utter failure looks like.

McDaniels might be the worst thing to happen to this franchise.

The BBT sure has done their darndest to deflate whatever interest remained in the Broncos' next season. Advertisers beware. I'm certainly not buying sunday ticket.

Ambiguous
03-15-2009, 09:41 PM
There are options out their from:
Jeff Garcia
J.P. Losman
Kyle Boller
Rex Grossman


*pukes in mouth*

BroncoMan4ever
03-15-2009, 09:45 PM
Last year was a bad year, sure. What about the year before?

contract year

gunns
03-15-2009, 09:46 PM
Seems to me, in September, a team will come out on the field at MileHigh and there isn't a damn thing any of us can do about who comes out but support them. I understand the passion all of us feel about this team and the garbage that has transpired in the off season, but in the end they will still be the Denver Broncos. This organization has done dumb things in the past, Wade Phillips as HC, picking up Tommy Maddox, Dale Carter, etc.,etc,etc. Regardless, I've loved them and will continue to. I still thank God everyday they aren't the Raiders or the Cowboys. These threads and some posts are both humorous and ridiculous. This too shall pass.

ol number 7
03-15-2009, 09:47 PM
good job you ****ing douchebags.

Sounds like alot of "True Fans" on this board hope we have a terrible team to prove a point. Like no team ever won a Superbowl without Jay Cutler.
Let the Drama Queen go. Don't let the door hit you in the arse on the way out. :strong:

Killericon
03-15-2009, 09:49 PM
contract year

Good point...I guess my question is, if it's Cutler for Rogers+QB, would you really rather have Quinn over Anderson?

I can't buy Quinn over Anderson, personally.

arghemtee
03-15-2009, 09:51 PM
Wow.

From a franchise QB to garbage in a matter of months.

That, folks is what an utter failure looks like.

McDaniels might be the worst thing to happen to this franchise.

You nailed it.

/end thread

Popps
03-15-2009, 09:53 PM
I just have to laugh.

Way to play for those teammates Cutler

LOL

ol number 7
03-15-2009, 09:53 PM
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Just remember the last San Diego game. All the chest thumping before the game about showing up Phillip Rivers. He looked like Mike Tyson got three free shots on him before he took the field. Then Moped on the sidelines.
He makes a mistake he just rolls those sad little beady eyes and say's we should move on. We miss you Rod Smith. Gay Jay has no class.

BroncoMan4ever
03-15-2009, 09:55 PM
Good point...I guess my question is, if it's Cutler for Rogers+QB, would you really rather have Quinn over Anderson?

I can't buy Quinn over Anderson, personally.

if it has to happen i take Quinn because he is familiar with a Patriots style offense and should know a lot of the terminology, plus unlike Anderson who is a statue, Quinn has some mobility.

arghemtee
03-15-2009, 09:57 PM
Just remember the last San Diego game. All the chest thumping before the game about showing up Phillip Rivers. He looked like Mike Tyson got three free shots on him before he took the field. Then Moped on the sidelines.
He makes a mistake he just rolls those sad little beady eyes and say's we should move on. We miss you Rod Smith. Gay Jay has no class.

Because our defense had an excellent game!

TDmvp
03-15-2009, 10:01 PM
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SouthStndJunkie
03-15-2009, 10:07 PM
Last year was a bad year, sure. What about the year before?

Anderson threw one more pick in 2007 than Jay did last year....in 89 less attempts.

He completed 56% of his passes in 2007....good for 28th in the league. Cutler completed 63% in 2007 and 62% in 2008.

Completion % to me is key....and Derek Anderson has a career 54% completion %....that makes Vince Young (57% career completion percentage) look like Steve Young.

SonOfLe-loLang
03-15-2009, 10:17 PM
Seriously, **** Jay Cutler. I dont know what was said in the meeting, but i cannot believe Xanders, Bowlen, and McDaniels...three adults, were that big of assholes. Why? Because they are adults! Jay and Bus were posturing for this, it's clear.

I'll go to war with Chris Simms. Get me two 1's for Jay or sit him. **** him.

SonOfLe-loLang
03-15-2009, 10:18 PM
Derek Anderson is not fit to run this offense. They give Simms a pretty big contract, i bet they like what they see. They'll draft in the mid-round.

I cant believe this is happening. Wow.

BroncoBuff
03-15-2009, 10:19 PM
Screw it. Give him the contract. Shut him up. Keep this thing together.McDaniels would lose all credibility if this happened.
No no NO!

With a halfway decent front office, you could spin this perfectly: Just give Jay the no-trade clause so he can save face, then Josh can say, "that's great, like I said, I didn't want to trade him anyway."

BroncoBuff
03-15-2009, 10:25 PM
Seriously, **** Jay Cutler. I dont know what was said in the meeting, but i cannot believe Xanders, Bowlen, and McDaniels...three adults, were that big of a-holes. Why? Because they are adults! Jay and Bus were posturing for this, it's clear.
What?! You must've missed it, but Xanders has been completely castrated.

Whil Pat was off drunk somewhere, there was a power-play, and Josh won. Xanders matters nothing anymore, he's just a glorified capologist. A Ted Sundquist redux.

And this 33 year-old child? He's drunk with power.
.

Killericon
03-15-2009, 10:26 PM
What?! You must've missed it, but Xanders has been completely castrated.

Whil Pat was off drunk somewhere, there was a power-play, and Josh won. Xanders matters nothing anymore, he's just a glorified capologist. A Ted Sundquist redux.

And this 33 year-old child? He's drunk with power.
.

You base this one what, exactly?

lazarus4444
03-15-2009, 10:28 PM
4-12 might be optimistic right now.

Last years team lacked a lot of leadership.

Coach McDaniels is doing some spring cleaning that needed to be done.

He's getting the stench of losers out of the clubhouse.

I just hope they get good value for Cutler but if they don't it's not the end of the world.

We need MEN on the team, not cry babies.

boltaneer
03-15-2009, 10:29 PM
I'm sure gonna miss that loser.

Yeah, this sucks. I loved the Denver circus that was getting funnier by the day but I don't want that dude to leave the division.

I knew that Simms signing wasn't going to be good. Hopefully he doesn't pan out under McDaniels.

Northman
03-15-2009, 10:29 PM
Im just glad i know where Jay stands now. He doesnt want to be here thats pretty evident. Get what you can for him and move on.

lazarus4444
03-15-2009, 10:30 PM
no because had ****tard been honest and came out like a man and admitted this **** and told Jay it was over and they can move on in peace, and not tried to pull a power play on Jay trying to turn him into a ****ing lap dog, it would have ended weeks ago and this wouldn't have ****ing happened.

Calm down, this entire event is orchestrated by Jay and his agent, read my sig.

BroncoMan4ever
03-15-2009, 10:30 PM
Last years team lacked a lot of leadership.

Coach McDaniels is doing some spring cleaning that needed to be done.

He's getting the stench of losers out of the clubhouse.

I just hope they get good value for Cutler but if they don't it's not the end of the world.

We need MEN on the team, not cry babies.

leadership won't win us any games if we have to rely on a scrub playing QB for us. and Dawkins only helps the defense and as it stands now, it is going to be a lot of rookies mixed in with the aged vets he brought in.

thumpc
03-15-2009, 10:31 PM
Chad Johnson ends holdout

June 3, 2008 ∑ Filed Under Breaking News (http://helmet2helmet.net/category/breaking-news/), Cincinnati Bengals (http://helmet2helmet.net/category/cincinnati-bengals/), Headliners (http://helmet2helmet.net/category/headliners/)
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”Am I coming back? Of course I am,”
That’s what outspoken Bengals WR Chad Johnson, intent on holding out, told ESPN The Magazine (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3424063). Johnson has withdrawn his trade demands and could report to the Bengals camp as early as June 12th.
This comes 6 weeks after Johnson proclaimed, “I don’t intend on reporting to anything.”
What could have changed his mind? Could this be posturing by his notorious agent Drew Rosenhaus? Could this be a trick up the sleeve of Johnson, known for his surprises?
Apparently, Johnson was holding out hope that he could be traded pre-draft to a team like the Cowboys, but when that never happened, he began to take a different approach.
Johnson’s scheduled to make $3 million in 2008. His contract ends in 2011.

lazarus4444
03-15-2009, 10:33 PM
Im choosing Sunday Ticket over season tickets.

Great, then the 200,000 fans behind you waiting on season tickets will get yours. :thanku:

SureShot
03-15-2009, 10:36 PM
Cheer. Going to every game last season, the Football IQ of the fans at the game appeared to drop to me. When Eddie broke the long return against Miami we tried getting an Eddie chant going and people looked at us like we were speaking Chinese.



Yeah thats how I measure a fan's IQ as well.::)

lazarus4444
03-15-2009, 10:38 PM
how are none of you Jay Bashers not seeing that McDaniels is as big if not a bigger ****ing baby in this mess?

he could have been smart and been a man and been truthful and told Jay it was over weeks ago, but no he decided to string Jay along and keep trying to put Jay in his place instead of settle **** with him.

Jay's place is at the top of this franchise, he is the ****ing franchise and Bowlen allowed some stupid ****ing baby retard to **** up his team

Honestly i think bus cook engineered the entire thing.

When have the Broncos smeared Cutler? They haven't said anything at all to the media.

Jay wanted out when shanny left and now he may get his wish and bus will get his money.

I don't think McDaniels lied to Jay at all.

You are basing your entire emotional well being off of rumors and innuendo without the facts.

Laz

BroncoMan4ever
03-15-2009, 10:51 PM
Honestly i think bus cook engineered the entire thing.

When have the Broncos smeared Cutler? They haven't said anything at all to the media.

Jay wanted out when shanny left and now he may get his wish and bus will get his money.

I don't think McDaniels lied to Jay at all.

You are basing your entire emotional well being off of rumors and innuendo without the facts.

Laz

the only way Bus is making money right now off this situation is if Denver signs Cutler long term. if he is traded to Detroit, he won't sign a deal right away, he will play out his current deal and wait for FA. short of Jay being sent to Tennessee, CHicago or Minnesotta he is going to play his rookie deal out and cash in as a FA

lex
03-15-2009, 10:52 PM
Honestly i think bus cook engineered the entire thing.

When have the Broncos smeared Cutler? They haven't said anything at all to the media.

Jay wanted out when shanny left and now he may get his wish and bus will get his money.

I don't think McDaniels lied to Jay at all.

You are basing your entire emotional well being off of rumors and innuendo without the facts.

Laz

It was leaked that Jay asked to be traded. And it coincidentally was leaked after two weekends ago.

lazarus4444
03-15-2009, 10:58 PM
Leaked by who?

Seems to me the cutler camp are the ones always renewing the news cycle.

The kid has a TON of talent but his attitude stinks.

He's not a leader.


Laz

p.s. LOL at lex and his signature, thanks.

yerner
03-15-2009, 11:01 PM
I guess the broncos got what they wanted and Cutlers treating it like a buisness now. Sucks for us fans of good football plays.

Breaker
03-15-2009, 11:02 PM
This is McIdiots fault. I mean this jackass comes from a coaching tree that has had ZERO success in this league, he wanted to trade a Pro Bowler for a Qb that has had one good year in a system that any QB could be successful in. On top of that he has filled his lineup with a bunch of over the hill vets and mediocre players in free agency, he pissed off Scheffler and is going to impliment a scheme that is going to take a good amount of time for any QB to get to know.

McDaniels is a freaking loser and Pat Bowlen just ruined his franchise. Spags should have been the hire with Bates being kept as the Offensive Coordinator, then this entire cluster **** would have never happened.

lex
03-15-2009, 11:03 PM
Leaked by who?

Seems to me the cutler camp are the ones always renewing the news cycle.

The kid has a TON of talent but his attitude stinks.

He's not a leader.


Laz

p.s. LOL at lex and his signature, thanks.

The FO, PatriotLover. Who else. Both camps have been leaking info. If it seems to you like one side is doing it, it just goes to show the extent to which you are selectively picking and choosing what you pay listen to.

Dagmar
03-15-2009, 11:05 PM
This is McIdiots fault. I mean this jackass comes from a coaching tree that has had ZERO success in this league, he wanted to trade a Pro Bowler for a Qb that has had one good year in a system that any QB could be successful in. On top of that he has filled his lineup with a bunch of over the hill vets and mediocre players in free agency, he pissed off Scheffler and is going to impliment a scheme that is going to take a good amount of time for any QB to get to know.

McDaniels is a freaking loser and Pat Bowlen just ruined his franchise. Spags should have been the hire with Bates being kept as the Offensive Coordinator, then this entire cluster **** would have never happened.

What a reasoned and intelligent response, looking at all sides. Can I subsribe to your newsletter?

cutthemdown
03-15-2009, 11:29 PM
It ain't easy being a Bronco fan right now.

Man this really sucks but I can't help but feel this is all Cutlers fault. Screw him. Who knows what we can even get for him. I doubt teams will feel he is as good and worth as much as Cutler thinks. Unless more then 2 teams want him I doubt the bidding goes much over a first round pick. Sad because we traded up to get him and lost extra picks.

Cutler is now on same level as Eddie Kennison in my book. Screw him, I hope his diabetes forces him out of football.

cutthemdown
03-15-2009, 11:30 PM
Cutler IMO is ruining his career.

24champ
03-15-2009, 11:33 PM
I hope his diabetes forces him out of football.

Stay classy a-hole.

SoCalBronco
03-15-2009, 11:34 PM
. Screw him, I hope his diabetes forces him out of football.

Sad. Very sad.

Jens1893
03-15-2009, 11:37 PM
Sad. Very sad.

Pot meet kettle.

BroncoMan4ever
03-15-2009, 11:38 PM
It ain't easy being a Bronco fan right now.

Man this really sucks but I can't help but feel this is all Cutlers fault. Screw him. Who knows what we can even get for him. I doubt teams will feel he is as good and worth as much as Cutler thinks. Unless more then 2 teams want him I doubt the bidding goes much over a first round pick. Sad because we traded up to get him and lost extra picks.

Cutler is now on same level as Eddie Kennison in my book. Screw him, I hope his diabetes forces him out of football.


dude that is ****ed up regardless of how you may feel about how he is handling the situation

i hate McDaniels and will be happy when he is fired but i am not about to wish a brain tumor or some really ****ed up **** on the guy to ruin his career and life.

you need to think and not be such a dick

SureShot
03-15-2009, 11:39 PM
Screw him, I hope his diabetes forces him out of football.

You are a sad sad person. I hope your gene pool has a filter.

24champ
03-15-2009, 11:40 PM
Pot meet kettle.

I don't know, at least Socal has humor about ripping someone.

This was just absolutely classless by Cutt.

Dagmar
03-15-2009, 11:41 PM
. Screw him, I hope his diabetes forces him out of football.

Very harsh dude.

Jens1893
03-15-2009, 11:44 PM
I don't know, at least Socal has humor about ripping someone.

This was just absolutely classless by Cutt.

Considering some of the stuff SoCal has come up with recently, I thought his post was ironic.

Los Broncos
03-15-2009, 11:47 PM
****! this ****ing sucks!

Old No. 7
03-15-2009, 11:50 PM
Originally Posted by McSkillet View Post
Wow.

From a franchise QB to garbage in a matter of months.

That, folks is what an utter failure looks like.

McDaniels might be the worst thing to happen to this franchise.

Welcome to Carl Peterson and Herm Edwards boys! Don't let the Karmic Irony hit you in the ass.

:welcome: ROFL!

arghemtee
03-15-2009, 11:56 PM
I hope his diabetes forces him out of football.

Stay classy.

cutthemdown
03-16-2009, 12:01 AM
See I knew I could unite you all in hatred for something other then Mcdaniels and Cutler.

Bronco Yoda
03-16-2009, 12:29 AM
WE WILL MOVE ON!

No way we go 4-12. I refuse to believe that.

Even if we do, I'm still a die hard Bronco fan.

Bring on Training Camp already. Let's light this candle and see who's going to burn for us this year.

BroncoMan4ever
03-16-2009, 12:45 AM
WE WILL MOVE ON!

No way we go 4-12. I refuse to believe that.

Even if we do, I'm still a die hard Bronco fan.

Bring on Training Camp already. Let's light this candle and see who's going to burn for us this year.

believe 4-12 if you want to or not. but if Jay is gone, 4-12 might even be an optimistic guess on next season

chaz
03-16-2009, 01:24 AM
WE WILL MOVE ON!

No way we go 4-12. I refuse to believe that.

Even if we do, I'm still a die hard Bronco fan.

Bring on Training Camp already. Let's light this candle and see who's going to burn for us this year.

I don't think many give a damn what you believe...our team's chances plummet without Jay. With that, the Broncos will still be playing on Sundays :thumbsup:

Popps
03-16-2009, 01:32 AM
I don't think many give a damn what you believe...our team's chances plummet without Jay. With that, the Broncos will still be playing on Sundays :thumbsup:

Yea, well... we stopped winning as soon as Jay took over.

His fault or not, let's not pretend we had some great thing going.

I hope he comes back, but I'm stoked about our future either way.

Blueflame
03-16-2009, 01:48 AM
believe 4-12 if you want to or not. but if Jay is gone, 4-12 might even be an optimistic guess on next season

Looking at the schedule....I believe Vegas will have us as solid underdogs to: the Steelers, Pats, Colts, Cowboys, Giants, Redskins, Eagles, probably the Ravens, and the Chargers twice. I believe we have a realistic chance of beating the Browns and Bengals... and maybe the Raiders and Chiefs at home.

chaz
03-16-2009, 01:48 AM
Yea, well... we stopped winning as soon as Jay took over.

His fault or not, let's not pretend we had some great thing going.

I hope he comes back, but I'm stoked about our future either way.

His fault or not? Makes a pretty big difference in whether or not he sticks around!!! it does matter. The fact that you hope he comes back indicates you think he helps the team win. That was my only point. We're a hell of a lot closer to being a winning team with him than without him

BroncoMan4ever
03-16-2009, 02:09 AM
Yea, well... we stopped winning as soon as Jay took over.

His fault or not, let's not pretend we had some great thing going.

I hope he comes back, but I'm stoked about our future either way.

is anyone else but me starting to think Popps is in fact Mel Kiper talking **** on a fan message board?

i mean jesus christ man, you have a personal vendetta against Jay. you act like he raped your mom and then kicked your puppy or something. what's the deal?

broncolife
03-16-2009, 03:05 AM
Jesus man, McDaniels and Bowlen told him that he wasn't going to be traded. More than on one ocassion. What more did they need to do? Pop their titty back in his mouth?
about 40 seconds in

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Hulamau
03-16-2009, 03:38 AM
Heck of a job, Pat and Josh.

Heck of a job. Only complete ****ing morons could ruin this.

I hope you two douchebags are happy with what you've done. I hope you are happy with these Macho approaches. Good job with that. I hope you enjoy being sentenced to 4-12 because that's what you deserve. It's what you've earned.

I'm sorry SoCal but its hard to believe your hatred for McD/Bowlen is so complete that you can no longer see the forest for the trees and are STILL sucking so hard on Cutler/Cooks **** !?

I've often agreed and respected a lot of your football takes here throughout the years and think you're an all around good guy, but just don't understand how you can still remain THIS partisan for ONE obviously uncooperative spoiled player and pond-scum agent and cant seem to acknowledge any of the obvious manipulation in their actions?!

Just look at who is first to SPIN their stories to the press? And Josh, Bowlen and even Cutler now are saying under formal interview, not as quoted by "an NFL source" that much of the crap that has been argued over for days here and taken as fact was untrue to begin with!

Bowlen has a 30 + year rep as a class act and top owner in this league. Even Shanny said as much after being canned. So you'll have to forgive me if I trustr his judgment and honesty in all of this than a Pouty-brat arrogant QB of 25 and a widely known agent whose signature is to leave a trail of destruction and bad feeling all around in his pursuit of the biggest paydays he can for his clients. There are NEVER any Win-Win deals with Cook!

Sure, the FO might well have handled a few points of communication with more tact early on, BUT IT WAS NEVER REALLY ABOUT THAT!

How can you not see that, at least as a real possibility, based on how all of this has unfolded and even barely considering Cook's history of these precise patterns of destructive negotiations elsewhere, even if you don't yet accept it?

Its just hard to believe any long-time Bronco loyalist could apparently still swallow that Cutler and Cook were ever serious about anything but extorting their way either into a HUGE new payday here now, that could be ruinous to the Broncos' immediate rebuilding plans, OR manipulating their way out of town with their Mutt and Jeff Good Cop, Bad Cop routine that Cook and Favre pulled on Green Bay, and all for the same payday NOW?!

This is nothing but a repeat of the GB sage, with its own unique twists. Regardless of what kind of arm chair critique you may be trying to spin on how McD supposedly has handled this, HE WAS DOOMED FROM THE START in this affair no matter what he did or didn't do!

If it wasn't the Trade issue whose timing, for sure, was a perfect foil and stage for Cook and Cutler to take advantage of, some other pretext would have likely come up to try and foirce the issue now or within the next year.

I think Jay probably really did expect he could pressure Denver to pony up now through these tactics and so made a good faith effort at least to try and learn a few plays with McD, just in case he was going to still be here, andeven if not to give himself some good PR cover.

But like Lelie before him, it looks like Jay's greed and immaturity got the better of him and he went too far and Cook knows how to exploit egocentric young stars for his own gain as well. Sure he'll get a big pay day .. but at what price to everyone!?!

Screw his "I play for my teammates" baloney. And now Sheffler is apparently making a REALLY Super stupid decision to jump off the cliff with Jay .. Funny that Cook is Tony's agent too!? Any patterns appearing here??

After their Monday conference call Pat either decided it was a lost cause and wasn't going to cow-tow to this extortion anymore, or decided it would more likely be handled just between Josh and Jay with no one else.. a wise decision either way. But then Jay demanded Cook come along so Josh brought in Xanders and we have another formal negotiation!

And Bowlen obviously recognized this and I hope they work out the best deal they can for us while sending Cutler to the worst possible hell hole in the NFL and watch while he tries and dig himself out of that one! At least he'll have his money to play with.

UberBroncoMan
03-16-2009, 03:49 AM
Meet the 2009 Denver Broncos FO

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UberBroncoMan
03-16-2009, 03:53 AM
Screw him, I hope his diabetes forces him out of football.

I wouldn't even wish that kind of **** on McDaniels or Bowlen. People have one life, and they all make mistakes... even though some of them for certain individuals will piss off thousands upon thousands of people. That's really ****ed up.

UberBroncoMan
03-16-2009, 03:59 AM
This is nothing but a repeat of the GB sage, with its own unique twists. Regardless of what kind of arm chair critique you may be trying to spin on how McD supposedly has handled this, HE WAS DOOMED FROM THE START in this affair no matter what he did or didn't do!

Not true. If the guy literally had flown out to Nashville when all this crap was going down and talked to Cutler in person... joked around, said yo, I'm a rook and I ****ed up by wanting Cassel. Coaches have a tendency to love familiarity even if it's a stupid thing to do. He could have reassured Cutler that everything was ok and that this whole situation got blown out of proportion for no reason. Believe me... McDaniels could have fixed this and QUICKLY had he acted with hesitation. He should have been in the first flight out of Denver after the Dawkins press conference or at the very least been on the phone with Jay and in communication with him with a "call me if you need to chat" type of relationship.

Believe me... it never would have gotten this far if McDaniels hadn't gotten so cocky about the situation.

rastaman
03-16-2009, 04:02 AM
I'm sorry SoCal but its hard to believe your hatred for McD/Bowlen is so complete that you can no longer see the forest for the trees and are STILL sucking so hard on Cutler/Cooks **** !?

I've often agreed and respected a lot of your football takes here throughout the years and think you're an all around good guy, but just don't understand how you can still remain THIS partisan for ONE obviously uncooperative spoiled player and pond-scum agent and cant seem to acknowledge any of the obvious manipulation in their actions?!

Just look at who is first to SPIN their stories to the press? And Josh, Bowlen and even Cutler now are saying under formal interview, not as quoted by "an NFL source" that much of the crap that has been argued over for days here and taken as fact was untrue to begin with!

Bowlen has a 30 + year rep as a class act and top owner in this league. Even Shanny said as much after being canned. So you'll have to forgive me if I trustr his judgment and honesty in all of this than a Pouty-brat arrogant QB of 25 and a widely known agent whose signature is to leave a trail of destruction and bad feeling all around in his pursuit of the biggest paydays he can for his clients. There are NEVER any Win-Win deals with Cook!

Sure, the FO might well have handled a few points of communication with more tact early on, BUT IT WAS NEVER REALLY ABOUT THAT!

How can you not see that, at least as a real possibility, based on how all of this has unfolded and even barely considering Cook's history of these precise patterns of destructive negotiations elsewhere, even if you don't yet accept it?

Its just hard to believe any long-time Bronco loyalist could apparently still swallow that Cutler and Cook were ever serious about anything but extorting their way either into a HUGE new payday here now, that could be ruinous to the Broncos' immediate rebuilding plans, OR manipulating their way out of town with their Mutt and Jeff Good Cop, Bad Cop routine that Cook and Favre pulled on Green Bay, and all for the same payday NOW?!

This is nothing but a repeat of the GB sage, with its own unique twists. Regardless of what kind of arm chair critique you may be trying to spin on how McD supposedly has handled this, HE WAS DOOMED FROM THE START in this affair no matter what he did or didn't do!

If it wasn't the Trade issue whose timing, for sure, was a perfect foil and stage for Cook and Cutler to take advantage of, some other pretext would have likely come up to try and foirce the issue now or within the next year.

I think Jay probably really did expect he could pressure Denver to pony up now through these tactics and so made a good faith effort at least to try and learn a few plays with McD, just in case he was going to still be here, andeven if not to give himself some good PR cover.

But like Lelie before him, it looks like Jay's greed and immaturity got the better of him and he went too far and Cook knows how to exploit egocentric young stars for his own gain as well. Sure he'll get a big pay day .. but at what price to everyone!?!

Screw his "I play for my teammates" baloney. And now Sheffler is apparently making a REALLY Super stupid decision to jump off the cliff with Jay .. Funny that Cook is Tony's agent too!? Any patterns appearing here??

After their Monday conference call Pat either decided it was a lost cause and wasn't going to cow-tow to this extortion anymore, or decided it would more likely be handled just between Josh and Jay with no one else.. a wise decision either way. But then Jay demanded Cook come along so Josh brought in Xanders and we have another formal negotiation!

And Bowlen obviously recognized this and I hope they work out the best deal they can for us while sending Cutler to the worst possible hell hole in the NFL and watch while he tries and dig himself out of that one! At least he'll have his money to play with.

Hoping the worse for a player who wants out of Denver in terms of playing for a lousy team or perhaps suffers a career ending injury and is out of football is a bit childish and immature.

Lets just hope both the Broncos and Cutler have a happy ending. For Christ sake is Fuuuucking game we are talking here!!!!

HILife
03-16-2009, 04:07 AM
Cutler Tells Team To Trade Him
By Vic Lombardi

CBS4 has learned that disgruntled Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler is no longer in Denver and is done negotiating with the team. Cutler will not be attending Monday's voluntary team workout. Sources tell CBS4 he has told the Broncos to trade him.

Cuter and his agent met face to face with the Broncos Saturday where no progress was made between the quarterback and his new head coach.

Cutler recently put his house on the market. We're told that the timing of the sale is merely coincidence. Cutler had been planning to sell the house for several months.

CBS4 has also learned that tight end Tony Scheffler intends on skipping tomorrow's voluntary session.

http://cbs4denver.com/broncos/cutler.nfl.broncos.2.958850.html

At this point I'm sick of Cutler and his complaining. You didn't get traded. There are no talks of trying to trade you, but you keep crying about it. I'm offically done with Cutler. Trade him for some really good draft picks and lets move on. If he ends up changing is mind and shuting up and playing for Denver then I'll be for Cutler again, but until then I'm a Broncos fan not a Cutler fan.

Atwater His Ass
03-16-2009, 04:11 AM
Why do people keep thinking we should trade Cutler for draft picks? I find this to be an incredibly stupid idea.

rmsanger
03-16-2009, 04:32 AM
Maybe this is his version of a counter insurgency... If he can whine to the media and hurt his trade value it may force McFaggit to keep him. After all who is going to trade him for anything less that 1st rounder equiv or a like for like QB.

Mogulseeker
03-16-2009, 04:35 AM
Sims to Royal for the TD as the clock winds down!!!

Final score: Raiders 35, Broncos 7

TheReverend
03-16-2009, 05:45 AM
Sims to Royal for the TD as the clock winds down!!!

Final score: Raiders 35, Broncos 7

Hilarious!

Meck77
03-16-2009, 05:54 AM
I'm sorry SoCal but its hard to believe your hatred for McD/Bowlen is so complete that you can no longer see the forest for the trees and are STILL sucking so hard on Cutler/Cooks **** !?

I've often agreed and respected a lot of your football takes here throughout the years and think you're an all around good guy, but just don't understand how you can still remain THIS partisan for ONE obviously uncooperative spoiled player and pond-scum agent and cant seem to acknowledge any of the obvious manipulation in their actions?!

Just look at who is first to SPIN their stories to the press? And Josh, Bowlen and even Cutler now are saying under formal interview, not as quoted by "an NFL source" that much of the crap that has been argued over for days here and taken as fact was untrue to begin with!

Bowlen has a 30 + year rep as a class act and top owner in this league. Even Shanny said as much after being canned. So you'll have to forgive me if I trustr his judgment and honesty in all of this than a Pouty-brat arrogant QB of 25 and a widely known agent whose signature is to leave a trail of destruction and bad feeling all around in his pursuit of the biggest paydays he can for his clients. There are NEVER any Win-Win deals with Cook!

Sure, the FO might well have handled a few points of communication with more tact early on, BUT IT WAS NEVER REALLY ABOUT THAT!

How can you not see that, at least as a real possibility, based on how all of this has unfolded and even barely considering Cook's history of these precise patterns of destructive negotiations elsewhere, even if you don't yet accept it?

Its just hard to believe any long-time Bronco loyalist could apparently still swallow that Cutler and Cook were ever serious about anything but extorting their way either into a HUGE new payday here now, that could be ruinous to the Broncos' immediate rebuilding plans, OR manipulating their way out of town with their Mutt and Jeff Good Cop, Bad Cop routine that Cook and Favre pulled on Green Bay, and all for the same payday NOW?!

This is nothing but a repeat of the GB sage, with its own unique twists. Regardless of what kind of arm chair critique you may be trying to spin on how McD supposedly has handled this, HE WAS DOOMED FROM THE START in this affair no matter what he did or didn't do!

If it wasn't the Trade issue whose timing, for sure, was a perfect foil and stage for Cook and Cutler to take advantage of, some other pretext would have likely come up to try and foirce the issue now or within the next year.

I think Jay probably really did expect he could pressure Denver to pony up now through these tactics and so made a good faith effort at least to try and learn a few plays with McD, just in case he was going to still be here, andeven if not to give himself some good PR cover.

But like Lelie before him, it looks like Jay's greed and immaturity got the better of him and he went too far and Cook knows how to exploit egocentric young stars for his own gain as well. Sure he'll get a big pay day .. but at what price to everyone!?!

Screw his "I play for my teammates" baloney. And now Sheffler is apparently making a REALLY Super stupid decision to jump off the cliff with Jay .. Funny that Cook is Tony's agent too!? Any patterns appearing here??

After their Monday conference call Pat either decided it was a lost cause and wasn't going to cow-tow to this extortion anymore, or decided it would more likely be handled just between Josh and Jay with no one else.. a wise decision either way. But then Jay demanded Cook come along so Josh brought in Xanders and we have another formal negotiation!

And Bowlen obviously recognized this and I hope they work out the best deal they can for us while sending Cutler to the worst possible hell hole in the NFL and watch while he tries and dig himself out of that one! At least he'll have his money to play with.

Solid. :strong:

theAPAOps5
03-16-2009, 06:08 AM
What a pathetic joke. He wanted out long ago, that BS he told ESPN is just that BS.

theAPAOps5
03-16-2009, 06:10 AM
Considering some of the stuff SoCal has come up with recently, I thought his post was ironic.

Dude ALF has no business talking to you about class. Tell him to go to hell.

Beantown Bronco
03-16-2009, 06:21 AM
Lets just hope both the Broncos and Cutler have a happy ending.

I could go for a happy ending right about now.....errr, wait a sec....what were we talking about again?

TailgateNut
03-16-2009, 06:35 AM
Im choosing Sunday Ticket over season tickets.

Didn't know you had season tix. BTW payments were already due a few weeks ago.

Re: the Cutler saga. I haven't been this pissed since the move to Incestco.

TailgateNut
03-16-2009, 06:39 AM
Cutler is now on same level as Eddie Kennison in my book. Screw him, I hope his diabetes forces him out of football.

That's just not right, regardless of the situation.

vancejohnson82
03-16-2009, 06:41 AM
Broncos go 10-6 without Cutler next year....

halfway through the season we begin to realize how great of a coach McDaniels is....

Requiem
03-16-2009, 06:43 AM
Good. We don't need a diabetic quarterback. I prefer mine to be healthy. Have fun selling blood sugar level monitors down on Colfax when you are out of the league in three years cause you can't see the field straight, pussyfag Jay Cutler.

Drek
03-16-2009, 06:45 AM
Sims to Royal for the TD as the clock winds down!!!

Final score: Raiders 35, Broncos 7

So your doomsday fantasy is only slightly worse than the 31-10 ass kicking Jay QB'ed this team to at HOME against the Raiders, with a healthy Peyton Hillis in the backfield.

When that one win would've resulted in us locking up the division.

Maybe a different QB will have the stones to win games in Denver and not choke down the stretch? That would sure be a welcome change.

I'm going to be here laughing my ass off when Chrissy Simms leads this team to a 10-6 record with a division title next year and all you Cutler fans try jumping back on the bandwagon.

TailgateNut
03-16-2009, 06:47 AM
Good. We don't need a diabetic quarterback. I prefer mine to be healthy. Have fun selling blood sugar level monitors down on Colfax when you are out of the league in three years cause you can't see the field straight, p***Yfag Jay Cutler.

The lack of class amongst some of the OM members is amazing. And we chastize raiderfans. How low will we go?

Requiem
03-16-2009, 06:50 AM
The lack of class amongst some of the OM members is amazing. And we chastize raiderfans. How low will we go?

Or how stupid will America get? Not real sure TailgateNut, but next time I'll indicate the sarcasm. I'm sorry if I offended you. Can I make it up to you? Steak and a bBowjob day was March 14th though. Guess you missed out. Toodles.

TailgateNut
03-16-2009, 06:53 AM
So your doomsday fantasy is only slightly worse than the 31-10 ass kicking Jay QB'ed this team to at HOME against the Raiders, with a healthy Peyton Hillis in the backfield.

When that one win would've resulted in us locking up the division.

Maybe a different QB will have the stones to win games in Denver and not choke down the stretch? That would sure be a welcome change.

I'm going to be here laughing my ass off when Chrissy Simms leads this team to a 10-6 record with a division title next year and all you Cutler fans try jumping back on the bandwagon.


Regardless of the eventual outcome. Cutler stays, or goes. Broncos win, or lose. I'll still put my pants on one leg at a time and make the trek to Mile High on Sundays.
I agree that Cutler is whining, but so are quite a few OM members.

bronco militia
03-16-2009, 06:55 AM
Regardless of the eventual outcome. Cutler stays, or goes. Broncos win, or lose. I'll still put my pants on one leg at a time and make the trek to Mile High on Sundays.
I agree that Cutler is whining, but so are quite a few OM members.

no doubt.....I 'll support the Broncos team that shows up on Sundays

TailgateNut
03-16-2009, 06:59 AM
Or how stupid will America get? Not real sure TailgateNut, but next time I'll indicate the sarcasm. I'm sorry if I offended you. Can I make it up to you? Steak and a bBowjob day was March 14th though. Guess you missed out. Toodles.

Sarcasm? ...and I guess you have some more BS you'ld like to peddle.

BTW: what's a Bowjob?

Cito Pelon
03-16-2009, 07:13 AM
Screw it. Give him the contract. Shut him up. Keep this thing together.

Heck, no. No way they should extend Jay now, absolutely no way.

Cito Pelon
03-16-2009, 07:16 AM
I still don't think this means Jay is getting traded. I think it increases the chances obviously, but the Broncos wouldn't be the first team to sit back and wait on an unhappy player to show up. At this point, I think it'd be best to auction him off for the most assets we can get - but that doesn't mean that's what the Broncos are going to do.

Well, the team has the green light to explore anything they want to. If they don't get trade offers they want, he's under contract cheap and IMO not as important to the team as he and some fans think, so if they force him to sit, or he wants to holdout, no big deal.

Beantown Bronco
03-16-2009, 07:39 AM
Exactly, if the Broncos don't hold out for what they consider to be a top of the line offer, then make him 3rd string. I believe his money is all tied up in bonuses in '10 and '11 and those are performance based.

Wrong. I've seen on two different sites that they are purely "roster" bonuses, so if he's second or third string, he gets them.

2010 - $4 mil roster bonus on top of his salary
2011 - $12 mil roster bonus on top of his salary

Well, the team has the green light to explore anything they want to. If they don't get trade offers they want, he's under contract cheap and IMO not as important to the team as he and some fans think, so if they force him to sit, or he wants to holdout, no big deal.

Cheap? See the bonuses above alone.

Sitting him and paying out those bonuses to a guy who is not playing is simply NOT an option.

Rigs11
03-16-2009, 08:20 AM
eat it cutler. I always knew you were a whining little biatch.

cutthemdown
03-16-2009, 09:08 AM
Good. We don't need a diabetic quarterback. I prefer mine to be healthy. Have fun selling blood sugar level monitors down on Colfax when you are out of the league in three years cause you can't see the field straight, p***Yfag Jay Cutler.

Exactly!!! **** that pussy taking advantage of the Broncos trying to get a new coach in place. Him and Bus Cook, cooked this whole thing up to get more money. It really is that simple. I hope both him and bus get hit by a bus. Hey at least I didn't say I hope his feet swell up with big ole ulcers.

cutthemdown
03-16-2009, 09:09 AM
eat it cutler. I always knew you were a whining little biatch.

Yep screw him and the bus he rode in on.

cutthemdown
03-16-2009, 09:10 AM
Wrong. I've seen on two different sites that they are purely "roster" bonuses, so if he's second or third string, he gets them.

2010 - $4 mil roster bonus on top of his salary
2011 - $12 mil roster bonus on top of his salary



Cheap? See the bonuses above alone.

Sitting him and paying out those bonuses to a guy who is not playing is simply NOT an option.

Well this yr we can make him sit.

Circle Orange
03-16-2009, 09:24 AM
Goodbye, Jay. People have had to endure a LOT more in their NFL careers than you have. And with more accomplishments under their belt.

And yes, the broncos can find another 'arm.' I'm just annoyed with all this crap. No one's innocent, but enough is enough.

Cito Pelon
03-16-2009, 09:35 AM
Wrong. I've seen on two different sites that they are purely "roster" bonuses, so if he's second or third string, he gets them.

2010 - $4 mil roster bonus on top of his salary
2011 - $12 mil roster bonus on top of his salary



Cheap? See the bonuses above alone.

Sitting him and paying out those bonuses to a guy who is not playing is simply NOT an option.

But that's 2010 & 2011.

lex
03-16-2009, 09:51 AM
Goodbye, Jay. People have had to endure a LOT more in their NFL careers than you have. And with more accomplishments under their belt.
And yes, the broncos can find another 'arm.' I'm just annoyed with all this crap. No one's innocent, but enough is enough.

"With more accomplishment" = when they were old. Ive heard Joe Montanas named invoked. This is a laughable comparison. A) Joe Montana was old; B) He had had a history of injuries, and C) SF had another HOF QB on their roster when they traded Montana. The truth is that you dont see many QBs traded who have been to the pro bowl in their second year as a starter and who are 25. Thats folly.

Rock Chalk
03-16-2009, 11:12 AM
And embrace the status quo we will soon have as a constant top 10 pick team and refuse to hold this idiotic regime accountable. Good job.:thumbs:

You assume I think the regime is idiotic.

Quite the opposite. I love most everythign they have done.

You also assume I think Cutler is being wrong.

Quite the opposite. I think Cutler has been a spoiled ****ing brat and hasnt proven a ****ing thing in the NFL or in College. He has the tools physically but I dont believe he has it mentally and Im not starting to believe he never will. If he goes, I wont shed one tear. In fact I will be happy because douchebags like yourself will jump out of the season ticket line and I can get them sooner.

TonyR
03-16-2009, 11:33 AM
Wow, even that knucklehead Clinton Portis has more sense than Jay "show me the money because my vajayjay hurts due to trust issues" Cutler.

PORTIS SHOWS UP FOR START OF OFFSEASON WORKOUTS, AFTER ALL
Posted by Mike Florio on March 16, 2009, 1:49 p.m. EDT
Contrary to the teamís expectations, Redskins running back Clinton Portis has shown up for the first day of the teamís offseason program.

We received word of Portisí presence from Zack Bolno, the teamís Executive Director of Public Relations.

Apparently, Portis was able to work out his schedule.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/03/16/portis-shows-up-for-start-of-offseason-workouts-after-all/

You can't make this stuff up!

Prodigal19
03-16-2009, 11:37 AM
At least this whole situation will help weed out the casual fans so that was can get Mile High rockin again.

gyldenlove
03-16-2009, 11:42 AM
Broncos go 10-6 without Cutler next year....

halfway through the season we begin to realize how great of a coach McDaniels is....

Professional help, for gods sake get it.

Black96WS6
03-16-2009, 11:53 AM
This off-season is starting to get interesting.

So much for those years of Rivers-Cutler battles I anticipated...

Drek
03-16-2009, 12:32 PM
Professional help, for gods sake get it.

We were 16th and 30th in points offensively and defensively (respectively). Last I checked they determined winners by points. We were still 8-8. I think there is plenty of room for improvement on both sides of the ball.

Wouldn't be surprised at all if we go 10-6 and win the division next year.

This off-season is starting to get interesting.

So much for those years of Rivers-Cutler battles I anticipated...

I can't see how recent history makes any Broncos fans sad about this. Cutler has had his **** pushed in by Rivers the last few years.

vancejohnson82
03-16-2009, 12:46 PM
Professional help, for gods sake get it.

really???

we went 8-8 this year with a defense that couldnt stop most high school teams....we can easily get a guy to come in here and efficiently run this offense with all the so called talent that people are clamoring about on this board...

you know what? i hope a lot of you sell your tickets....it will be easier for me twice a year to get in and get good seats...

Circle Orange
03-16-2009, 01:24 PM
"With more accomplishment" = when they were old. Ive heard Joe Montanas named invoked. This is a laughable comparison. A) Joe Montana was old; B) He had had a history of injuries, and C) SF had another HOF QB on their roster when they traded Montana. The truth is that you dont see many QBs traded who have been to the pro bowl in their second year as a starter and who are 25. Thats folly.

what?

lex
03-16-2009, 01:28 PM
what?


How many QBs with this much promise were traded when they were 25? Montana was an old man when he was traded and they had Steve Young to take his place, who is another HOF QB. You almost never see a QB in Cutlers position traded, if it all.

What you call "accomplished" is the same as saying older.

NFLBRONCO
03-16-2009, 01:52 PM
Did you hear Mike Golic on NFL Live. What is Jay's trade value Jay for Tony Romo straight up type deal.

lex
03-16-2009, 01:57 PM
Did you hear Mike Golic on NFL Live. What is Jay's trade value Jay for Tony Romo straight up type deal.

Yeah, ESPNs always sympathetic to all things Patriots. "But isnt it understandable that McDaniels would want Cassel?" I dont see how you can admit that Cassel isnt as good as Cutler and then go on to say that McDaniels is justified in trying to make the team better. And lets also not forget, somehow Josh thought it was worth giving up our 1st to make it happen. Dumb.