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Agent Orange
03-15-2009, 02:05 AM
A nice break from the Cutler flap....



Broncos' D under major reconstruction
Revising the secondary is Denver's primary goal
By Mike Klis
The Denver Post


Deconstructing the defense wasn't so much expected as demanded. Reconstructing with a pile of new players was a given.

The surprise was how the Broncos' new brain trust of coach Josh McDaniels, general manager Brian Xanders and defensive coordinator Mike Nolan went about rebuilding this unit that was in shambles.

Everybody could see, when hands weren't raised to cover eyes, how opposing offenses gashed through huge holes left by the inept Broncos defense the past two seasons. The Broncos ranked 30th against the run in 2007, allowing 142.6 yards rushing a game. They allowed 3.5 more yards rushing per game in 2008.

So where did the Broncos spend most of their resources to acquire the most accomplished players during the all-but-completed free-agent period?
The secondary.

From the $106.12 million committed to their 12 new free-agent players, the Broncos allocated $47.4 million, or 45 percent, to three defensive backs cornerback Andre Goodman, safety Brian Dawkins and strong safety Renaldo Hill.

Goodman and Dawkins were the team's highest-priced free agents. Hill tied for third.

"I think people are realizing we're no longer, I guess you would say, second-class citizens," Dawkins said.

The first free-agent spree under the new administration left two conclusions: One, the Broncos will use the draft to rebuild their defensive front. And two, the Broncos' new bosses concluded the team's most glaring defensive deficiency in recent years wasn't so much the quantity of 5-yard runs, but how the weak, second line of defense allowed those 5-yard runs to become 20-, 30- and 65-yard, game-breaking scampers.

That and the fact the Broncos' defense couldn't get a turnover if they were spotted the snap count and a slippery pigskin.

"Last year was such a frustrating year all the way around," Broncos defensive end Elvis Dumervil said. "It's good to come back to something that's going to clear things up. Something brand new that can get us back to having a good defense in Denver like we had our first (six) games my rookie year."

Where have you gone, Al Wilson? After reaching the AFC championship game in 2005 with a defense that ranked second against the run, the Broncos allowed an average of only 7.3 points through their first six games of 2006, including a five-game stretch in which they allowed 6, 7, 3, 3 and 7. Remember? Anybody?

The defense, and its coordinators, have been torched since. Larry Coyer was fired after the 2006 season, Jim Bates after 2007 and Bob Slowik followed head coach Mike Shanahan out the door following 2008.

Establishing new system

McDaniels and Nolan have come in wanting to change the defensive system from a four linemen-three linebacker set to a 3-4.

In today's specialized era, there are players who fit a 4-3 and those who are better suited for a 3-4. Thus, phase I of rebuilding consisted of getting six new starters through free agency.

"Dawkins is the marquee guy," said former Broncos guard Mark Schlereth, who is now an NFL analyst for ESPN. "He brings great passion and he still has unbelievable skills. He's an unbelievable addition. The rest of their free-agent class is very Patriot-like."

In other words, they are serviceable starters and efficient role players. Goodman, who Schlereth said "was terrific last year," replaces Dre Bly at right corner. On paper, the Broncos' greatest value may have been inside linebacker Andra Davis. While playing in the "Patriot 3-4" under coach Romeo Crennel in Cleveland, Davis averaged 103 tackles, including 149 in 2005, which was Wilson's last effective season with the Broncos.

Davis has been coming out in nickel packages in recent years, one reason the Broncos snagged him for an affordable two-year, $3.3 million deal. But Davis and Dawkins should instantly improve the run defense.

As for the pass rush, this is where Dumervil bull rushes in. Problem is, if Dumervil wasn't getting to the quarterback, the Broncos weren't getting there. Opposing offenses knew this, which is why Dumervil had to first beat two blockers a tackle and a back if he was to power his way to the passer.

It helps explain why Dumervil's sack totals went from 8 1/2 as a rookie to 12 1/2 in 2007 to only five last year.

"The best way to create turnovers is with a good pass rush," Dumervil said.

Turnovers top priority

New team policy has not allowed Nolan to speak publicly, but Dumervil and Dawkins say their new defensive boss already has made it clear turnovers will be a point of emphasis this season, which is almost like saying the key to victory is outscoring the other team. The Broncos had a league-low 13 takeaways last season, four fewer than 31st-ranked Jacksonville. The 0-16 Detroit Lions had 20.

The quest for more turnovers also partially explains the Broncos' successful pursuit of Dawkins, who for years in Philadelphia played for one of the most blitz-happy, turnover-craved defensive coordinators in Jim Johnson.

"I'm very excited about having the opportunity to learn a new defense," Dawkins said. "I say new, but as far as I'm concerned, I know the defense I played in with the Eagles and what we're going to do here has a lot of common ingredients. I know what we all want on the defensive side of the ball. A lot of turnovers. A lot of pressure. But having fun at the same time."

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_11915486

Popps
03-15-2009, 02:11 AM
Good article, though I suspect part of this right now is just that there simply weren't any marquee names out there to be had on the DL outside of Haynesworth.

I also think we'll see concentration on the front seven in the coming months via the draft and additional FA pick-ups.

arghemtee
03-15-2009, 02:17 AM
Have we learned nothing? You don't ****ing rebuild from the secondary to the defensive line.

That is like building a house and starting the roof before the foundation and the walls.

Killericon
03-15-2009, 02:23 AM
I really, really want Mike Nolan to stick around here for a while.

Not to say that I agree with this secondary first idea, though. I think(Hope) that the secondary was the priority in FA and that the line will be tops in the draft.

kappys
03-15-2009, 02:24 AM
Have we learned nothing? You don't ****ing rebuild from the secondary to the defensive line.

That is like building a house and starting the roof before the foundation and the walls.

What would you have had them do? There was no talent available for a 3-4 defensive front this offseason. Those few names that would have been nice(Channing Crowder, Terrell Suggs) were quickly resigned. The only real option was Peppers who would cost a fortune and its completely unknown how he would play in a 3-4.

I commend Nolan for getting some quality in the defensive backfield at a reasonable price. No its not going to elevate our defense to the ranks of the elite but it will at least allow us to compete for average.

eddie mac
03-15-2009, 02:28 AM
Have we learned nothing? You don't ****ing rebuild from the secondary to the defensive line.

That is like building a house and starting the roof before the foundation and the walls.

There wasn't anyone worth a **** for 3-4 line and the 3-4 LB pool was just as poor with nothing available outside and we got Andra Davis for about 1/5 of what Scott/Lewis received for the inside.

Canty was so well thought off as a 3-4 end that no 3-4 teams pursued him.

Olshansky had one visit in the whole of FA and was basically dumped by the Chargers due to poor performance over the last 2 seasons.

As for NT well in all honesty we probably got one of the better value deals ontaining Fields for $2.5m a year.

Popps
03-15-2009, 02:32 AM
There wasn't anyone worth a **** for 3-4 line and the 3-4 LB pool was just as poor with nothing available outside and we got Andra Davis for about 1/5 of what Scott/Lewis received for the inside.

Canty was so well thought off as a 3-4 end that no 3-4 teams pursued him.

Olshansky had one visit in the whole of FA and was basically dumped by the Chargers due to poor performance over the last 2 seasons.

As for NT well in all honesty we probably got one of the better value deals ontaining Fields for $2.5m a year.

Exactly, and I'm usually out there pounding the table for us to sign a marquee guy... but who? There just weren't any. Even Chris Canty got paid a TON of moeny, though perhaps that's one guy you could make a case that we should have looked at.

The Pats had success grabbing guys like Seymore in the draft. I'm guessing that'll be our mission.

arghemtee
03-15-2009, 02:45 AM
It's not abouut who was in Free Agency, the article states, "Revising the secondary is the primary goal".

It should be a goal, but THE primary goal?

Blueflame
03-15-2009, 02:49 AM
It's not abouut who was in Free Agency, the article states, "Revising the secondary is the primary goal".

It should be a goal, but THE primary goal?

D-line should have been the primary goal, imho. We also did need help at safety, but we still need a pass rush.

eddie mac
03-15-2009, 02:50 AM
It's not abouut who was in Free Agency, the article states, "Revising the secondary is the primary goal".

It should be a goal, but THE primary goal?

The writer was assessing the moves made in FA so far. Doesn't the article state the draft will focus on the other area's of need???

One, the Broncos will use the draft to rebuild their defensive front

Killericon
03-15-2009, 02:50 AM
It's not abouut who was in Free Agency, the article states, "Revising the secondary is the primary goal".

It should be a goal, but THE primary goal?

The article is just an article.

eddie mac
03-15-2009, 02:52 AM
D-line should have been the primary goal, imho. We also did need help at safety, but we still need a pass rush.

So you reckon Canty at $7m a year or Olshansky at $4.5m a year would've provided that???

Obviously the best 3-4 tutor in the league (Nunnely) does not agree with you.

McDaniels/Nolan/Nunnely want fresh blood to work not some overrated vets who've done **** all to date in 3-4 defenses.

3-4 = system, 4-3 = players.

Blueflame
03-15-2009, 02:52 AM
The writer was assessing the moves made in FA so far. Doesn't the article state the draft will focus on the other area's of need???

One, the Broncos will use the draft to rebuild their defensive front

Won't it take a year or so for rookie D-linemen to develop, though? I don't know that we've ever had a rookie D-lineman who came in and made an immediate impact. Maybe Trevor Pryce.... ???

Blueflame
03-15-2009, 02:54 AM
So you reckon Canty at $7m a year or Olshansky at $4.5m a year would've provided that???

Obviously the best 3-4 tutor in the league (Nunnely) does not agree with you.

McDaniels/Nolan/Nunnely want fresh blood to work not some overrated vets who've done **** all to date in 3-4 defenses.

3-4 = system, 4-3 = players.

Rebuilding the D-line via the draft means that... assuming the draft picks pan out... that our line might be better in a year or so. Probably not this season though.

eddie mac
03-15-2009, 02:56 AM
Won't it take a year or so for rookie D-linemen to develop, though? I don't know that we've ever had a rookie D-lineman who came in and made an immediate impact. Maybe Trevor Pryce.... ???

Off course it will Blue if not longer but obviously our front office have made the decision that there was no value out there in terms of front 7 apart from Fields and Davis. They did have some interest in Douglas/Wright/Jackson etc and Holliday has yet to sign anywhere so we may not be done yet in FA.

BroncoMan4ever
03-15-2009, 03:06 AM
well goody. a good secondary doesn't help the front 7. doesn't last seasons game film show we need a ****ing pass rush and help in the front 7. if we have a good front 7 we can start Foxworth Paymah McCree and Manuel as our secondary and be fine.
it wouldn't matter if we had Champ, Nmamdi, Polomaulu, and Reed in our secondary if we still have complete crap in the front 7.

isn't this **** basic football knowledge? i swear i am getting to the point where i am wondering if McDaniels isn't just ****ing stupid but is in fact a retard.

Blueflame
03-15-2009, 03:08 AM
Off course it will Blue if not longer but obviously our front office have made the decision that there was no value out there in terms of front 7 apart from Fields and Davis. They did have some interest in Douglas/Wright/Jackson etc and Holliday has yet to sign anywhere so we may not be done yet in FA.

OK, but I thought the whole concept was to win now.... which would have been more plausible with veteran linemen. Our defense will probably still be quite suspect this next season, then.

BroncoMan4ever
03-15-2009, 03:27 AM
OK, but I thought the whole concept was to win now.... which would have been more plausible with veteran linemen. Our defense will probably still be quite suspect this next season, then.

that's what i thought too. that is why Bowlen was willing to open up the checkbook, and made the coaching change. Shanahan wasn't winning now, and Bowlen wanted a guy who would fix problems and win right away. but so far all we got this offseason are aged defensive veterans, backups and ST players and a Long snapper all while pissing off the guy who needs to pull this all together and lead them on the field.

i didn't think the team could look worse than it did after losing to the Chargers, but we look worse now than we did then.

Blueflame
03-15-2009, 03:28 AM
that's what i thought too. that is why Bowlen was willing to open up the checkbook, and made the coaching change. Shanahan wasn't winning now, and Bowlen wanted a guy who would fix problems and win right away. but so far all we got this offseason are aged defensive veterans, backups and ST players and a Long snapper all while pissing off the guy who needs to pull this all together and lead them on the field.

i didn't think the team could look worse than it did after losing to the Chargers, but we look worse now than we did then.

Yes. Far worse.

BroncoMan4ever
03-15-2009, 03:48 AM
Yes. Far worse.

at least then we had the thought that our offense was a workhorse RB away from being elite, and our defense couldn't get any worse. now we have a what the hell is going to happen with our offense and our pro bowl QB, and still the question marks on the defense.

if i had known this is what would have gone down after the firing of Shanahan for him wanting to keep Slowik, i would rather have had to deal with Slowik another year than have all this current bull****.

Drek
03-15-2009, 04:54 AM
OK, but I thought the whole concept was to win now.... which would have been more plausible with veteran linemen. Our defense will probably still be quite suspect this next season, then.

So you'd rather the team paid Chris Canty $7M a year?

Weren't you bitching about giving a LS $1M guaranteed over a 5 year deal? Doesn't giving a massive deal to a 5-tech who's job is to stuff gaps and nothing more do worse by the cap than that?

There is a reason Chris Canty visited two 4-3 teams and had no serious interest from 3-4 teams. No one wants to pay a 5-tech not named Richard Seymour that kind of money.

And we didn't kick the tires on Olshansky even though we have his former DL coach on the staff now. That should tell you something right off the bat there.

Other than that there weren't any good 5-techs left in FA. Vonnie Holliday has been cut, we had him in for a visit, but other than that who? A bunch of scrubs that have less upside than what we have in Thomas, Peterson, and Carlton Powell. So why pay a vet a bunch of money when there is no upgrade?

This FA class sucked for 3-4 front seven help and it was only made worse when every 3-4 coach who got fired was replaced with another 3-4 coach. Bart Scott got very overpaid and that opened the door for Ray Lewis to not go anywhere. The best NT to hit the market was Ronald Fields, a career backup, who we happened to sign FYI. The best MLB not in the twilight of his career (i.e. Brooking or Zach Thomas) that was legitimately available was Andra Davis, we signed him too.

And the notion that our problems last year stemmed from just the front seven is pure fantasy. Our corners were left nearly completely without safety help all last season. The best performance by a safety last year came from Josh Barrett, a 7th round pick who looked lost out there in half the games he played but still did better than the corpses of McCree and Manuel.

The article is entirely disingenuous in that the "$45M for three DBs" number is in total money, of which Dawkins will only see $9M over 2 years and both Hill and Goodman are guaranteed ~$2M each. They're cheap, proven above average veterans who fill the holes so we can look front seven with the majority of our draft picks. Thankfully this class has a nice dispersion of 5-techs, but it lacks even one true NT who can play from day one.

Cito Pelon
03-15-2009, 07:25 AM
Since the entire D had to be pretty much rebuilt, and since there was pretty much zero DL talent available in FA, the FA moves were wise.

Bob's your Information Minister
03-15-2009, 07:55 AM
Meeeeeeeeeeeeeeet the new boss.

Same as the old boss.

Donks get fooled again!

YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

Punisher
03-15-2009, 07:59 AM
I love the approach that McDaniels and Nolan are taking on the defense,but if we don't have Cutler all this means nothing.That's why everybody is so focused on the Cutler Gate....

oubronco
03-15-2009, 08:01 AM
I hate Mcdaniels

bpc
03-15-2009, 08:05 AM
Why don't they come out with an article stating "rebuilding offense is McDaniels primary goal."

Hell, we've spent more time f'n up our offense than we have actually fixing our defense.

We have Dawkins who should have a 2 year life in Denver but is better than anybody we could have had in FA outside of maybe Atogwhe. The pair we picked up from Miami are hit or miss guys who have never played at any level of consistency during their time in the NFL. The rest of the players are just guys. Depth and roster bodies for camp.

Anybody want to comment on the long snapper we signed for over 1 million when we had a perfectly good one making 500k?

Genius. We're WAY behind where we should have been this offseason.

CEH
03-15-2009, 08:12 AM
It a new dawn at Dove Valley.
You must be patient and build your DLine through the draft. Plain and simple
Canty was what a 4th round pick and now you guys want to pay him $7 MM to save our team.

Goal #1 in year one should be to rebuild the DLine through the draft and create more turnovers. BDawk is great at this. His play against Big Ben was Jordan-ese.

We are talking 4 points here down from 27 down to 23 a game to give our team a chance to compete game in and game out. The difference of a FG instead of a TD. Genrating more turnovers can be done ask Larry Coyer who was tasked with the same in '05 .

Rohirrim
03-15-2009, 08:17 AM
I'm starting to see a pattern around here; All the Shanahanians and the Cutlerites are going to attack the Broncos every single move. Broncos Nation is devolving into a bunch of sects!!! Ha!

_Oro_
03-15-2009, 08:38 AM
You guys are missing the point.

"Last year was such a frustrating year all the way around," Broncos defensive end Elvis Dumervil said. "It's good to come back to something that's going to clear things up. Something brand new that can get us back to having a good defense in Denver like we had our first (six) games my rookie year."

The first six games of Dumervil's career we had a great defense. Just like last year we had a dominant offense for the first two games.

Hercules Rockefeller
03-15-2009, 08:54 AM
Won't it take a year or so for rookie D-linemen to develop, though? I don't know that we've ever had a rookie D-lineman who came in and made an immediate impact. Maybe Trevor Pryce.... ???

How long have you rooted for this team? Pryce was so bad he was almost let go in the final round of cuts after training camp. He was also deactivated for the first half of the season. Yep, he made an immediate impact. Pryce is the last DL that should ever be mentioned as having an immediate impact.

Go back to giving your opinion about what should be done and then not back it up with who they should have signed, even those posts made it look like you at least had some clue about what needs to be done. This post just makes you look like you're throwing **** up against the wall and praying that someone will back you up.

rastaman
03-15-2009, 09:12 AM
that's what i thought too. that is why Bowlen was willing to open up the checkbook, and made the coaching change. Shanahan wasn't winning now, and Bowlen wanted a guy who would fix problems and win right away. but so far all we got this offseason are aged defensive veterans, backups and ST players and a Long snapper all while pissing off the guy who needs to pull this all together and lead them on the field.

i didn't think the team could look worse than it did after losing to the Chargers, but we look worse now than we did then.

I don't think McDaniels will be winning right away. The Belechek(sp) protegee who have become HC's in the NFL have not won or turned teams around after having been 3 or 4 years to do so.

The aged defensive players Denver has acquired are only one or two year stop gap solutions. Xander's and McDaniels are going to need to strike gold in the draft--especially at NT, DE and OLB......plain and simple. Of course Shanahan has left McDaniels with some pretty good offensive skill position talent so there's hope in that regard.

I've got this deep feeling, that if Cutler is not traded he will come in and learn McDaniels scheme b/c he's a professional and he wont let his teammates down.

Point is, this franchise is in a state of flux and uncertainty. The 2009 Broncos could go 3-13 or 9-7. Who the hell knows at this point.

I've got the patients to wait and see, these next two years will really test who the true Bronco fans are and who the fair weather Bronco fans are.;)

BroncoInferno
03-15-2009, 09:26 AM
Why don't they come out with an article stating "rebuilding offense is McDaniels primary goal."

Hell, we've spent more time f'n up our offense than we have actually fixing our defense.

Yeah, I mean, just look at all those offensive players McD has ACTUALLY gotten rid of! I mean, all we have left in tact from our 16th rated scoring offense is Cutler, Marshall, Royal, Scheffler, Stokley, everyone on the OL except Weigmann...Jesus Christ he's really gutted the offense! Uhh

Rock Chalk
03-15-2009, 09:42 AM
D-line should have been the primary goal, imho. We also did need help at safety, but we still need a pass rush.

So who woudl you have got Blue? Who out there would have been worth spending the money on?

I think McDaniels plan is to shore up the secondary now in FA, and focus on the front seven in the draft.

With good coaching, Thomas, DJ, Woodyard, maybe Larsen and Dumervil and Moss could have good years. Add a few more pieces via the draft and our front seven can be significantly improved. Since we needed safety help and there was better options there in FA than in the front seven, this move does make sense.

baja
03-15-2009, 09:51 AM
Have we learned nothing? You don't ****ing rebuild from the secondary to the defensive line.

That is like building a house and starting the roof before the foundation and the walls.


This is a real knuckle head post and here's why, we needed 9 starters on D with some of them needing to come from free agency so we went out and signed the best players to match our needs regardless of position played. This is smart team building. The idea that we needed to sign a DE first because that is the formula is ridiculous

JCMElway
03-15-2009, 10:04 AM
Have we learned nothing? You don't ****ing rebuild from the secondary to the defensive line.

That is like building a house and starting the roof before the foundation and the walls.

Yeah, we're not done with the offseason yet. There's something called THE DRAFT where we can take all sorts of new players!

In all seriousness, Denver has 9 draft picks, and I bet 6 of them go towards the defensive front seven.

oubronco
03-15-2009, 10:14 AM
I hate Mcdaniels

barryr
03-15-2009, 11:04 AM
The Broncos have seen the free agent pool with DL was weak, so little reason to overpay them when they can draft guys that could do just as much as those guys.

I mean, Canty is a role player and he really didn't make a big difference for Dallas. Olshanski, the same could be said of him.

You pay the money to the guys that make plays, not the guys that are fill in types.

BroncoMan4ever
03-15-2009, 02:59 PM
Why don't they come out with an article stating "rebuilding offense is McDaniels primary goal."

Hell, we've spent more time f'n up our offense than we have actually fixing our defense.

We have Dawkins who should have a 2 year life in Denver but is better than anybody we could have had in FA outside of maybe Atogwhe. The pair we picked up from Miami are hit or miss guys who have never played at any level of consistency during their time in the NFL. The rest of the players are just guys. Depth and roster bodies for camp.

Anybody want to comment on the long snapper we signed for over 1 million when we had a perfectly good one making 500k?

Genius. We're WAY behind where we should have been this offseason.


McDaniels is making last years team look like a Championship calibur team with his stupid moves so far.

BroncoMan4ever
03-15-2009, 03:01 PM
It a new dawn at Dove Valley.
You must be patient and build your DLine through the draft. Plain and simple
Canty was what a 4th round pick and now you guys want to pay him $7 MM to save our team.

Goal #1 in year one should be to rebuild the DLine through the draft and create more turnovers. BDawk is great at this. His play against Big Ben was Jordan-ese.

We are talking 4 points here down from 27 down to 23 a game to give our team a chance to compete game in and game out. The difference of a FG instead of a TD. Genrating more turnovers can be done ask Larry Coyer who was tasked with the same in '05 .

sounds good, but will a new QB(Simms a rookie or a FA scrub still available) be able to lead us to 23 a game like Jay did?

it won't matter if the defense only allows 23 this year, if our offense without a great young QB can only put up 17 a game.

barryr
03-15-2009, 03:07 PM
If the Broncos want to win at least 10 games next year, the defense needs to hold teams to around 20 points a game at he most. At least that is what good defenses do.

BroncoMan4ever
03-15-2009, 03:08 PM
I don't think McDaniels will be winning right away. The Belechek(sp) protegee who have become HC's in the NFL have not won or turned teams around after having been 3 or 4 years to do so.

The aged defensive players Denver has acquired are only one or two year stop gap solutions. Xander's and McDaniels are going to need to strike gold in the draft--especially at NT, DE and OLB......plain and simple. Of course Shanahan has left McDaniels with some pretty good offensive skill position talent so there's hope in that regard.

I've got this deep feeling, that if Cutler is not traded he will come in and learn McDaniels scheme b/c he's a professional and he wont let his teammates down.

Point is, this franchise is in a state of flux and uncertainty. The 2009 Broncos could go 3-13 or 9-7. Who the hell knows at this point.

I've got the patients to wait and see, these next two years will really test who the true Bronco fans are and who the fair weather Bronco fans are.;)

what i was saying in my post is that, Bowlen made the coaching change to win now. he didn't bring in coaches and say i want you to build to have a good team in 3 years, he brought them in with the intention of having them build a competitor this season.

Bowlen saw that Shanahan had built him an offense 1 good young RB away from being a complete beast and just needed a coach who would tear down and put up a better defense. instead what did Mcouche do. he decided to piss of the most important piece of the offense, Scheff is on his way out, he is disrupting things that didn't need to be messed with. all he needed to do was fix the defense, but he brought in scrubs and aged veterans who really are not an improvement on what we had last year. and a long snapper.

ZONA
03-15-2009, 03:09 PM
Rebuilding the D-line via the draft means that... assuming the draft picks pan out... that our line might be better in a year or so. Probably not this season though.

I don't know about that. I don't think it could get worse then last year so just having better coaches, some better players on the field in the secondary and using the 3-4 scheme still could allow us to have a better line this year. Not light years better but better.

There is no doubt we used our FA money to help the secondary because there were good players available. We will be using the draft for DL and LB. There is no questioning that.

BroncoMan4ever
03-15-2009, 03:11 PM
Yeah, we're not done with the offseason yet. There's something called THE DRAFT where we can take all sorts of new players!

In all seriousness, Denver has 9 draft picks, and I bet 6 of them go towards the defensive front seven.

great we will have a front 7 comprised of rookies and a few holdovers from last years defense and a career backup NT and a secondary comprised of guys all in their mid 30's

ton80
03-15-2009, 03:23 PM
Have we learned nothing? You don't ****ing rebuild from the secondary to the defensive line.

That is like building a house and starting the roof before the foundation and the walls.

The best way to build a d-line is to keep drafting players early in the draft, year after year, until you finally get it right.

The Broncos and the new regime are doing just what you'd want them to do.

SportinOne
03-15-2009, 03:48 PM
How can you follow the Broncos, write about the broncos, and THEN say with a straight face (i'm just assuming here, he could have cracked a grin while typing..) that the priority on this defense is the secondary? Klis should be fired. I could do his job RIGHT NOW and i haven't even graduated college yet. Give me 5K a year and a press pass and i'm set. It's an economic crisis, I will seriously work for less than minimum wage in under the table money.. Please, Denver Post, I am begging you.

Archer81
03-15-2009, 03:52 PM
I really, really want Mike Nolan to stick around here for a while.

Not to say that I agree with this secondary first idea, though. I think(Hope) that the secondary was the priority in FA and that the line will be tops in the draft.


Could be that they figured they could build a secondary through FA and target the front 7 in the draft. If it works it will be a solid defense.


:Broncos:

Hercules Rockefeller
03-15-2009, 03:57 PM
great we will have a front 7 comprised of rookies and a few holdovers from last years defense and a career backup NT and a secondary comprised of guys all in their mid 30's

Did you actually think the defense was going to be rebuilt in one offseason? There's never much out there in FA, teams have done a much better job in recent years managing the cap so that the FA market isn't littered with cap cuts or guys that teams didn't have the room to keep.

Frankly, I'll be absolutely shocked if this team is picking anywhere outside the Top 10 next year regardless of Jay being under center or in a different city.

BroncoMan4ever
03-15-2009, 03:58 PM
Could be that they figured they could build a secondary through FA and target the front 7 in the draft. If it works it will be a solid defense.


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in 2011

Archer81
03-15-2009, 03:59 PM
in 2011


I am thinking that is probably the way they are going with it.


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BroncoMan4ever
03-15-2009, 04:09 PM
Did you actually think the defense was going to be rebuilt in one offseason? There's never much out there in FA, teams have done a much better job in recent years managing the cap so that the FA market isn't littered with cap cuts or guys that teams didn't have the room to keep.

Frankly, I'll be absolutely shocked if this team is picking anywhere outside the Top 10 next year regardless of Jay being under center or in a different city.

did i think it would be turned into an elite defense in one year....NO

but did i think there would have been some FA aquisitions that would point towards repairing the defense...Yes

every person who knows football knew we needed to fix the front 7, but so far McDaniels seems only interested in fixing the secondary, bringing in long snappers, signing groups of scrub RBs and dicking with the offense.

there was a lot of talent available for the DL, would we have had to overpay in some cases...YES, but it would have been worth it. had we gone and signed people like Canty and Olshansky, Bart Scott and Dawkins(a good player or 2 to each level of the defense) it would have been a great FA period for us, because we would have good veterans in each level of the defense mixing with the rookies that we are going to need to fill in spots.

instead we are going to have a veteran secondary and front 7 comprised of rookies a career backup to be our NT, a special teams guy to be an OLB and some of our old players trying to learn new positions and defensive scheme.

there was not a single move that gives this defense an infusion of talent to build around or that makes a statement of what kind of defense we will have. instead we have a few holdovers from last year and new scrubs(it's a Mike Shanahan offseason for the defense, minus the offensive intelligence).

barryr
03-15-2009, 06:53 PM
did i think it would be turned into an elite defense in one year....NO

but did i think there would have been some FA aquisitions that would point towards repairing the defense...Yes

every person who knows football knew we needed to fix the front 7, but so far McDaniels seems only interested in fixing the secondary, bringing in long snappers, signing groups of scrub RBs and dicking with the offense.

there was a lot of talent available for the DL, would we have had to overpay in some cases...YES, but it would have been worth it. had we gone and signed people like Canty and Olshansky, Bart Scott and Dawkins(a good player or 2 to each level of the defense) it would have been a great FA period for us, because we would have good veterans in each level of the defense mixing with the rookies that we are going to need to fill in spots.

instead we are going to have a veteran secondary and front 7 comprised of rookies a career backup to be our NT, a special teams guy to be an OLB and some of our old players trying to learn new positions and defensive scheme.

there was not a single move that gives this defense an infusion of talent to build around or that makes a statement of what kind of defense we will have. instead we have a few holdovers from last year and new scrubs(it's a Mike Shanahan offseason for the defense, minus the offensive intelligence).

Yikes! I'm glad you aren't the GM. Signing stiffs like Canty and Olshansky? Yeah, if you need depth, but the Broncos need starters who can actually make plays.

Shanahan had 3 years to fix this defense and failed every year, yet McDaniels should have it fixed it in 2 months or he isn't a good coach. Quite stupid.

BroncoLifer
03-15-2009, 09:54 PM
there was a lot of talent available for the DL, would we have had to overpay in some cases...YES, but it would have been worth it.

By definition, overpaying for something means that what you paid was NOT worth it. I'm amazed that so many people don't understand such a basic concept.

epicSocialism4tw
03-15-2009, 10:22 PM
There wasn't anyone worth a **** for 3-4 line and the 3-4 LB pool was just as poor with nothing available outside and we got Andra Davis for about 1/5 of what Scott/Lewis received for the inside.

I will never understand the necessity to adopt the Pats defense at the expense of talent.