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PaintballCLE
03-12-2009, 08:39 PM
Listening to the local sports radio at work here in cleveland today and they were talking about the cutler fiasco.

There was some charity event, and an "unnamed" browns associate said that the browns would be willing to give up Brady Quinn and Shaun Smith (DL) for Cutler.

I hope that doesn't go through..........But of all the trade rumors floating around..............this one seems to be the best for us.

Shaun Smith has said in public that he doesn't want to play for mangini.......and quinn could become a good Qb.

TonyR
03-12-2009, 08:40 PM
I think you mean Shaun Rogers, not Smith. And if they throw in their first round pick you'd at least have to consider it...

DBroncos4life
03-12-2009, 08:41 PM
I like how people say Quinn looked good last year in the game he played but fail to point out that game was vs us and Jay still found away to steal that game from him.

scttgrd
03-12-2009, 08:42 PM
Here we go again.:deadhorse

PaintballCLE
03-12-2009, 08:44 PM
I think you mean Shaun Rogers, not Smith. And if they throw in their first round pick you'd at least have to consider it...

NO SHAUN SMITH
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CHANGSTER
03-12-2009, 08:47 PM
This thread is funneee! Hilarious!

Broncoman13
03-12-2009, 08:47 PM
SCREW SHAUN SMITH, SHAUN ROGERS OR NO DEAL!

Plus their 1st! Cutler is worth a hell of a lot more than that BS!

UberBroncoMan
03-12-2009, 08:48 PM
I think you mean Shaun Rogers, not Smith. And if they throw in their first round pick you'd at least have to consider it...

Lots of people hate Mangini because he's a Napoleonic tyrant... it's a trait that rubs off on the youth who come out of the Belicheat camp. Hardly surprising they have multiple people in Cleavland that want out. Belicheat spawns become indoctrinated in the authoritarian management style. Charlie Weis is similar too in the college ranks (granted he's older).

rugbythug
03-12-2009, 08:52 PM
Listening to the local sports radio at work here in cleveland today and they were talking about the cutler fiasco.

There was some charity event, and an "unnamed" browns associate said that the browns would be willing to give up Brady Quinn and Shaun Smith (DL) for Cutler.

I hope that doesn't go through..........But of all the trade rumors floating around..............this one seems to be the best for us.

Shaun Smith has said in public that he doesn't want to play for mangini.......and quinn could become a good Qb.

We should throw in Scheffler Just because.

PaintballCLE
03-12-2009, 08:53 PM
We should throw in Scheffler Just because.

and clady! LOL

although joking aside........ i think i would give up clady if they threw in Joe Thomas....

elsid13
03-12-2009, 09:01 PM
I like how people say Quinn looked good last year in the game he played but fail to point out that game was vs us and Jay still found away to steal that game from him.

Which opponent's QB didn't look good against the defense last season???

socalorado
03-12-2009, 09:02 PM
and clady! LOL

although joking aside........ i think i would give up clady if they threw in Joe Thomas....

Put the pipe down. Clady has been just as impressive as Thomas. Stop.

PaintballCLE
03-12-2009, 09:05 PM
Put the pipe down. Clady has been just as impressive as Thomas. Stop.

agreed........... i just think JT is a little better than clady in the run blocking.........but clady is great at pass blocking.

SouthStndJunkie
03-12-2009, 09:08 PM
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cutthemdown
03-12-2009, 09:22 PM
No one will be stealing Jay Cutler from us. Broncos will have a rough training camp but IMO eventually qb and coach will make up. Cutler will start to do well in the new offense and learn he can get huge numbers in it. Mcdaniels will give him plenty of 3 wr sets, and have him throwing to RBS. I think Pats last 2-3 yrs been more creative in the redzone then the Broncos have been.

We won't be moving Jay unless it's a killer deal for the broncos. 2 first round picks minimum with one pick being for sure top 10.

I hope it doesn't happen. I hope Cutler just realizes playing for Broncos will be a great thing.

cutthemdown
03-12-2009, 09:23 PM
agreed........... i just think JT is a little better than clady in the run blocking.........but clady is great at pass blocking.

Clady needs to stay in the weight room and then I think he will improve in the run blocking. He looked a little weak in the upper body to me at certain times last yr. He moves his feet so well that it doesn't hurt him pass blocking.

Hopefully he keeps lifting, he does that he will get stronger.

Man-Goblin
03-12-2009, 09:38 PM
No one will be stealing Jay Cutler from us. Broncos will have a rough training camp but IMO eventually qb and coach will make up. Cutler will start to do well in the new offense and learn he can get huge numbers in it. Mcdaniels will give him plenty of 3 wr sets, and have him throwing to RBS. I think Pats last 2-3 yrs been more creative in the redzone then the Broncos have been.

We won't be moving Jay unless it's a killer deal for the broncos. 2 first round picks minimum with one pick being for sure top 10.

I hope it doesn't happen. I hope Cutler just realizes playing for Broncos will be a great thing.

We think alike....sometimes.

ZONA
03-12-2009, 10:03 PM
Hopefully he keeps lifting, he does that he will get stronger.

You don't say. He's an NFL player. He plays on the line. I think it's safe to say he lifts weights and will continue to lift weights. If he didn't lift, it would be like, the first time ever I heard of an NFL linemen not lifting weights.


Look - Brady Quinn, Shaun Rogers and their #1 pick, ughhhh, I would be thinking REAL hard on that one. That would be tempting. If they wanted to throw in a 3rd in exchange for Schef with that deal, I think I would do it.

PRBronco
03-12-2009, 10:12 PM
Haha, Brady would not like that, pretty sure Shaun Smith is the one who tried to punch him last season isn't he?

Rulon Velvet Jones
03-12-2009, 10:13 PM
Yawn.

Pony Boy
03-12-2009, 10:14 PM
Clady needs to stay in the weight room and then I think he will improve in the run blocking. He looked a little weak in the upper body to me at certain times last yr. He moves his feet so well that it doesn't hurt him pass blocking.

Hopefully he keeps lifting, he does that he will get stronger.

Man! That takes some BIG CAHONIES to say Clady is a little weak in the upper boy. This is a tuff crowd !!

BroncoBuff
03-12-2009, 10:14 PM
I think you mean Shaun Rogers, not Smith. And if they throw in their first round pick you'd at least have to consider it...
Yeah, Shaun Rogers was the one having trouble with Mangini, and we still need a NT.

Rogers, Quinn and a #1 might be interesting. I kinda hate Quinn personally, but he is the type of quarterback that could thrive in the Josh offense.
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BroncoBuff
03-12-2009, 10:19 PM
Man! That takes some BIG CAHONIES to say Clady is a little weak in the upper boy. This is a tuff crowd !!

Clady? Needs to hit the weights?!

Wooo, your not kiddin' ... tough crowd!
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NFLBRONCO
03-12-2009, 10:20 PM
#1 #20 or #1 and 2010 #1 is minimum before I'd even start listening if we do this.

BroncoBuff
03-12-2009, 10:28 PM
#1 #20 or #1 and 2010 #1 is minimum before I'd even start listening if we do this.

Why not Quinn, Rogers and this year's #1 (#5 overall)?

I might even do that ... use both #5 and #12 on defense and become a defensive team ... Simms and Quinn can battle for starter honors, they both have the risk-avoidant style that Josh's offense seems to need from a quarterback. Plus we get a very good starting NT.
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NFLBRONCO
03-12-2009, 10:28 PM
Why not Quinn, Rogers and this year's #1 (#5 overall)?

I might even do that ... use both #5 and #12 on defense and become a defensive team ... Simms and Quinn can battle for starter honors, they both have the risk-avoidant style that Josh's offense seems to need from a quarterback. Plus we get a very good starting NT.
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I hate Quinn sorry BB (Even though ND Weis connection and he would fit system)

scttgrd
03-12-2009, 10:30 PM
Are you kidding, Cutlers a punk. We would be lucky to get a bad of beads for that POS. Let's ship this guy out ASAP before he ruins the team.:bs:

DenverBrit
03-12-2009, 10:49 PM
Oh Boy, another Cutler thread!

SonOfLe-loLang
03-12-2009, 11:28 PM
Brady Quinn and Shaun Smith? And you think this is a GOOD trade? What kind of crack are you smoking, please pass it

BroncoDoug
03-12-2009, 11:36 PM
So now that the Browns are throwing Brady under the bus...Does he blow up and have a hissy fit and refuse to show up to off season workouts?

cutthemdown
03-12-2009, 11:56 PM
Man! That takes some BIG CAHONIES to say Clady is a little weak in the upper boy. This is a tuff crowd !!

Well he's young. Compared to me his friggin Atlas himself. But these pros workout like crazy. If the young guys don't get in weight room they won't get stronger.

When I say weak I mean it didn't look like he manhandled smaller dends in the running game like he should. He gets a little stronger in the upper body and he can elevate his game. No way this is a mystery. I would bet a good amount of money Tuten telling him same thing. Lift, lift, lift, and get monstrous in the upper body.

ZONA
03-12-2009, 11:58 PM
#1 #20 or #1 and 2010 #1 is minimum before I'd even start listening if we do this.

That makes no sense. #1 and #20 this year are both 1st round picks. A #1 this year and a #1 next year would be worth less because the one pick is next year.

And I would not trade Jay for picks only. I want a proven commodity in there with the deal. Rogers is that commodity. Since QB is a higher valued position then NT, they would have to give up Rogers plus the their 1st round pick. And then you might have to give just a tad back on Quinn, like us giving up like a 6th round pick or something. I might do that if they would take Schef and give us their 5th round pick this year or a 4th rounder in 2010.

cutthemdown
03-13-2009, 12:00 AM
You don't say. He's an NFL player. He plays on the line. I think it's safe to say he lifts weights and will continue to lift weights. If he didn't lift, it would be like, the first time ever I heard of an NFL linemen not lifting weights.


Look - Brady Quinn, Shaun Rogers and their #1 pick, ughhhh, I would be thinking REAL hard on that one. That would be tempting. If they wanted to throw in a 3rd in exchange for Schef with that deal, I think I would do it.

I'd hate to trade Cutler but yeah at least we get a QB and a number 1 in that hypothetical. Still I don't think it happened. The talk only arose because Cassel was Mcdaniels QB from last yr and he probably felt my QB would already know system, we could hit ground running.

I doubt Brady Quinn is very appealing to Mcdaniels.

As far as the lifting goes you would be surprised. Some guys are workout warriors, others like Orlando Pace never felt the need to lift. Zimmerman also said a number of time he didn't lift a lot. Olineman are notorious for being soft on the workouts, most of them just natural strong and big. I'm sure Broncos since they always had smaller guys, they really emphasize lifting.

I'm sure your right though, in todays NFL I bet most players lift enough to get bigger ever yr. Guys like Shannon Sharpe though sort of took it to another level.

Dudeskey
03-13-2009, 12:00 AM
I think I just threw up in my mouth

BroncoBuff
03-13-2009, 12:00 AM
Brady Quinn and Shaun Smith? And you think this is a GOOD trade? What kind of crack are you smoking, please pass it

Nooo .... it's Shaun ROGERS.

They have big problems with Rogers - he and Mangini are like mortal enemies or something, it's gotten very weird there. They gotta move Rogers, who, BY THE WAY, is a Pro Bowl nose tackle .... think we could maybe use that?

In fact, I would take Quinn, Rogers and the #5 pick for Cutler right now.

Then we can trade for Jeff Smardja ... and then I will even go back to Catholic Church ... to confess just how much I hated Brady Quinn before he became a Denver Bronco. ;D
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PRBronco
03-13-2009, 07:42 AM
So now that the Browns are throwing Brady under the bus...Does he blow up and have a hissy fit and refuse to show up to off season workouts?

Weird, it's almost like he's a grown up, and a professional. I don't get it.

vancejohnson82
03-13-2009, 07:52 AM
the Browns get their news by Pony Express or some ****....

this trade was brought up two weeks ago and they are STIll talking about it


I like that trade but its over, CUtler is the QB here

Borks147
03-13-2009, 07:56 AM
Why not Quinn, Rogers and this year's #1 (#5 overall)?

I might even do that ... use both #5 and #12 on defense and become a defensive team ... Simms and Quinn can battle for starter honors, they both have the risk-avoidant style that Josh's offense seems to need from a quarterback. Plus we get a very good starting NT.
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trading away Cutler for defense and a crappy offensive player sounds a lot like trading away Portis.

cmhargrove
03-13-2009, 08:13 AM
Why does anyone think that Mangini would want to walk into a new job, spend a boatload on two competing (possibly erratic) QB's who both went to the pro-bowl?

What do they do with Derek Anderson? They have some hefty salary dollars wrapped up there also.

I don't know if Mangini is brave enough to create a new QB issue after dealing with Favre last year.

vancejohnson82
03-13-2009, 08:18 AM
Why does anyone think that Mangini would want to walk into a new job, spend a boatload on two competing (possibly erratic) QB's who both went to the pro-bowl?

What do they do with Derek Anderson? They have some hefty salary dollars wrapped up there also.

I don't know if Mangini is brave enough to create a new QB issue after dealing with Favre last year.


Cutler would hold out if Anderson took any snaps away from him during off season workouts

supermanhr9
03-13-2009, 08:22 AM
I like how people say Quinn looked good last year in the game he played but fail to point out that game was vs us and Jay still found away to steal that game from him.

sorry I hate to argue ya, but Jay didn't win that game. Quinn had a chance at the end of the game and did well, and on a crucial 4th down conversion, Mr. Big Bad Kellen Winslow dropped a perfectly thrown pass that would have been good for a first down. Before that they had been driving quite well against our crap of a defense.

So I'm not saying Brady was all that better than Cutler, but Cutler didn't steal it away, Kellen dropped it away.

Pony Boy
03-13-2009, 08:38 AM
So now that the Browns are throwing Brady under the bus...Does he blow up and have a hissy fit and refuse to show up to off season workouts?

Excellent Point !! It's just business right?

broncofan2438
03-13-2009, 08:54 AM
I think you mean Shaun Rogers, not Smith. And if they throw in their first round pick you'd at least have to consider it...

Bingo

broncofan
03-13-2009, 08:54 AM
Quinn has actually already responded to the rumors while being interviewed on Sirius NFL Radio last week. I caught the interview although I can't seem to find a transcript, so take it for what it's worth. He essentially said he's going to treat the rumors as rumors and isn't going to buy into anything until his agent calls him and tells him he's been traded. He's going to continue and train as if he were a Brown because there is no other way to go about it. Ultimately, the tone in his voice suggested that he would understand if he were to be traded. I'm sure that's music to the ears of those who have been critical of Cutler's response.

supermanhr9
03-13-2009, 09:11 AM
oh my god, I knew Quinn was the man. They say his workout regime is insane. Some of you might know but I'm a big Notre Dame fan so this woudl be great. And we get a bulldozer of a lineman,,, see ya cutler, I'll dance a jig on yoru way out ya brat.

TonyR
03-13-2009, 09:20 AM
Quinn has actually already responded to the rumors while being interviewed on Sirius NFL Radio last week. I caught the interview although I can't seem to find a transcript, so take it for what it's worth. He essentially said he's going to treat the rumors as rumors and isn't going to buy into anything until his agent calls him and tells him he's been traded. He's going to continue and train as if he were a Brown because there is no other way to go about it. Ultimately, the tone in his voice suggested that he would understand if he were to be traded. I'm sure that's music to the ears of those who have been critical of Cutler's response.

Wow, he reacted like an adult and a professional! This is where all the Cutler fanboys will say how much Brady Quinn sucks and how much better Cutler is which of course earns Jay the right to act like an imbecile. That and this is all McD's fault. Oh, and Bowlen is a gutless drunk and Xanders is a puppet.

nickademus
03-13-2009, 09:42 AM
Nooo .... it's Shaun ROGERS.

They have big problems with Rogers - he and Mangini are like mortal enemies or something, it's gotten very weird there. They gotta move Rogers, who, BY THE WAY, is a Pro Bowl nose tackle .... think we could maybe use that?

In fact, I would take Quinn, Rogers and the #5 pick for Cutler right now.

Then we can trade for Jeff Smardja ... and then I will even go back to Catholic Church ... to confess just how much I hated Brady Quinn before he became a Denver Bronco. ;D
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I would do this trade all day long. IMHO Quinn has the talent to be a decent NFL QB he doesnt have Cutlers upside but not many do. This would help us fill a hole that is damn hard to fill on D NT, plus the #5 which could mean Curry. Draft T. Jackson with# 12 and boom we have a 3-4 Dline with Jackson, Rogers, and Thomas. We would need a legit Joker but I am willing to give Moss and Doom a shot DJ on the weak inside next to Davis (for now and our second round pick) with Curry on the strong side. Wow I like this more and more. I am of the opinion that you just dont trade this type of player unless you get the same talent in return but I am definately starting to like this idea. The other Idea I had with #5 would be to take a Joker and then get Sintim in the second. IDK this has potential.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
03-13-2009, 10:04 AM
Why not Quinn, Rogers and this year's #1 (#5 overall)?

I might even do that ... use both #5 and #12 on defense and become a defensive team ... Simms and Quinn can battle for starter honors, they both have the risk-avoidant style that Josh's offense seems to need from a quarterback. Plus we get a very good starting NT.
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I would do this deal. Write it up.

USMCBladerunner
03-13-2009, 10:59 AM
as described...no deal...I've said all along that everyone has a price and Quinn, Rogers (not Smith), and a high pick for Cutler and something else (Scheffler or lower pick) is in the ball park

Cutler is way better than Quinn, but this team is a disaster on D and this would go a ways towards fixing it. I can't say I'd do it for sure, but I'd think about it. Gasp.

The nice thing about this thread, is people actually do recognize that trading Cutler isn't a forbidden topic. It's not taboo, even though Jay's delicate fanny sure thinks it is.

I think a lot of people really believe that Denver was trying to unload Cutler to get Cassel, and that's what's driving them batty. I Denver was willing to listen to offers that included Cassel, along with other compensation, in order to rebuild the defense much more quickly.

MechanicalBull
03-13-2009, 11:13 AM
This was talked about ad nauseum a few weeks ago. Didn't it start at BroncoFreak and that it was all pretty much nothing concrete at all.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
03-13-2009, 11:21 AM
This was talked about ad nauseum a few weeks ago. Didn't it start at BroncoFreak and that it was all pretty much nothing concrete at all.

Carucci is reporting that the two teams to keep an eye on in this situation are Detroit and Cleveland, so... it might be a bit more than just conjecture.

Like I said, I would do a deal for Smith/Rogers and Quinn, plus the #5, for Cutler and the #12, and I would do it right now.

NFLBRONCO
03-13-2009, 11:23 AM
Carucci is reporting that the two teams to keep an eye on in this situation are Detroit and Cleveland, so... it might be a bit more than just conjecture.

Like I said, I would do a deal for Smith/Rogers and Quinn, plus the #5, for Cutler and the #12, and I would do it right now.


Cutler and 12 LOL no freakin way

TheElusiveKyleOrton
03-13-2009, 11:24 AM
Cutler and 12 LOL no freakin way

Cutler and the 12, for Shaun Rogers, Brady Quinn, and the 5. Yes. Way.

Merlin
03-13-2009, 11:31 AM
Why not Quinn, Rogers and this year's #1 (#5 overall)?
Now that is worth considering. Quinn is smart enough and should be able to play the conservative game MacD excelled at last yr. Rogers solves one big problem. Trade #5 to go about 4 slots down and get an extra second and sixth and load up on defence.

Did Rogers get a big K renewal last yr? If yes, then the bonus would kill the Browns' cap.

If Rogers hates Mangini, is there a reason to assume he would not hate MacD? They seem to be cut from the same cloth demeanour wise.

NFLBRONCO
03-13-2009, 11:34 AM
Cutler and the 12, for Shaun Rogers, Brady Quinn, and the 5. Yes. Way.

On paper the trade makes sense because it fill needs. Then at 5 which way do we go? Raji at 5. Not a fan of Quinn

Merlin
03-13-2009, 11:37 AM
Weird, it's almost like he's a grown up, and a professional. I don't get it.
Totally different scenario. Cutler had proven himself and was told would be the cornerstone of the new team. The manner in which the whole thing was handled gave rise to a reaction. Cutler's was too public, but understandable. MacD's reaction after the fact poor by most management measures. Quinn has accomplished nothing and has yet to establish whether he is truly a starting QB in the NFL (although I think he has the tools to be, even if less than Cutler).

ThatOneDenverMooseGuy, that is a lousy trade offer.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
03-13-2009, 11:38 AM
On paper the trade makes sense because it fill needs. Then at 5 which way do we go? Raji at 5. Not a fan of Quinn

It fills a lot of needs, plus Quinn ran (and was successful in) the McD offensive scheme (or a variation of it) at Notre Dame with Chaz Weis.

Mark my words: Brady Quinn will be a consistent, high upside/low downside player in this league. Give him weapons like Marshall and Royal, plus our o-line? Put him in an offense where he can excel...

This trade makes us better in '09.

watermock
03-13-2009, 12:05 PM
Why did it have to come to this???

I was a big Rodgers fan, 5 years ago.

I have no idea why we would blow up the #2 offense that was only lacking a durable, even feature RB.

We have picks. Granted, we are poorly prepared to convert to a 3/4 , But that's not a reason to blow up the O.

We are going to need that offense, because the D is going to suck again.

montrose
03-13-2009, 12:09 PM
How's this?

Cutler, Scheffler and a 2010 pick to Cleveland for Quinn, Rogers and #5.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
03-13-2009, 12:14 PM
Why did it have to come to this???

I was a big Rodgers fan, 5 years ago.

I have no idea why we would blow up the #2 offense that was only lacking a durable, even feature RB.

We have picks. Granted, we are poorly prepared to convert to a 3/4 , But that's not a reason to blow up the O.

We are going to need that offense, because the D is going to suck again.

Incorrect. We have the number 2 offense in YARDS. We have the number 16 offense in POINTS. Until yards are used to keep score, we have the number 16 offense. I agree, we're very good on that side of the ball. But we're not good enough, and it wouldn't be "blowing up" the O to get another starting QB in here, plus add to the defensive strength by adding Rogers.

watermock
03-13-2009, 12:17 PM
Who's to say that Rodgers will be any happier with another Biillichik clone? on a bottom feeder defense?

watermock
03-13-2009, 12:22 PM
Incorrect. We have the number 2 offense in YARDS. We have the number 16 offense in POINTS. Until yards are used to keep score, we have the number 16 offense. I agree, we're very good on that side of the ball. But we're not good enough, and it wouldn't be "blowing up" the O to get another starting QB in here, plus add to the defensive strength by adding Rogers.


We had no rushing game in the red zone duh. Shotgun shotgun shotgun.

We are weak in power rushing too, but not THAT bad. Hillis doesnt get hurt, we waltz into the playoffs.

Every time Cutler looked up, opposing offenses were converting another 3rd down. Please.

But don't worry, McDummy is going to put his stamp of nintendo on the offense.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
03-13-2009, 12:34 PM
We had no rushing game in the red zone duh. Shotgun shotgun shotgun.

We are weak in power rushing too, but not THAT bad. Hillis doesnt get hurt, we waltz into the playoffs.

Every time Cutler looked up, opposing offenses were converting another 3rd down. Please.

But don't worry, McDummy is going to put his stamp of nintendo on the offense.

Ahhh, yes. McDummy. A super-mature insult for a super-mature insight. Beautiful. The trade makes sense, and we would actually be ripping Cleveland off, which is always fun.

Drek
03-13-2009, 12:42 PM
Now that is worth considering. Quinn is smart enough and should be able to play the conservative game MacD excelled at last yr. Rogers solves one big problem. Trade #5 to go about 4 slots down and get an extra second and sixth and load up on defence.

Did Rogers get a big K renewal last yr? If yes, then the bonus would kill the Browns' cap.

If Rogers hates Mangini, is there a reason to assume he would not hate MacD? They seem to be cut from the same cloth demeanour wise.

Rogers contract doesn't have a ton of backloaded guarantees, but he's got a big roster bonus due soon (today?). He's tradeable, but if he's not moved before that bonus his cost will probably go up (but then it might be pretty damn low pre-bonus since his cap hit would be big for the receiving team).

From what I've heard his problem with the Browns is primarily a result of the meetings Mangini and co. had with all the players. While most players were sat down and talked to about how they fit the new regime and the like Rogers basically got a call that consisted of "Don't show up to camp fat, you fat ass fatty."

Dude's touchy about his weight I guess.

As for the trade proposals, people here are grossly overrating Cutler's value. Quinn, Rogers, and the Browns 2nd round pick would be a more accurate demand, and that'd probably need to be Cutler and Sheffler. Otherwise you're probably looking at Quinn, Rogers, and their 3rd for Cutler. And the only way they do that is if a deal is in place to move Derek Anderson as well, because they aren't going to pick up Cutler and then have Anderson's value fall through the floor because obviously he isn't starting over Cutler.

TonyR
03-13-2009, 12:47 PM
Hillis doesnt get hurt, we waltz into the playoffs.


One of my favorite Pollyanna assumptions.

The date: Sunday, November 23, 2008
The location: Invesco Field at Mile High Stadium
The even: Oakland Raiders vs. Denver Broncos (with a healthy Peyton Hillis)
The outcome: Oakland Raiders 31, Denver Broncos 10

I'm not sure you can be that confident in a team that got embarassed at home against a putrid opponent like the Raiders. This team wasn't waltzing anywhere. I know it makes you feel better to believe differently but it's nothing more than wishful thinking. We may have made the playoffs but the team was mediocre at best, and awful at worst, no matter how you slice it.

NFLBRONCO
03-13-2009, 12:51 PM
That makes no sense. #1 and #20 this year are both 1st round picks. A #1 this year and a #1 next year would be worth less because the one pick is next year.

And I would not trade Jay for picks only. I want a proven commodity in there with the deal. Rogers is that commodity. Since QB is a higher valued position then NT, they would have to give up Rogers plus the their 1st round pick. And then you might have to give just a tad back on Quinn, like us giving up like a 6th round pick or something. I might do that if they would take Schef and give us their 5th round pick this year or a 4th rounder in 2010.

How I mean't it was #1 and #20 in 09

or

#1 2009 and 2010 #1

This is a weak draft.

As a minimum starting point to listen.

LonghornBronco
03-13-2009, 01:17 PM
Wow, he reacted like an adult and a professional! This is where all the Cutler fanboys will say how much Brady Quinn sucks and how much better Cutler is which of course earns Jay the right to act like an imbecile. That and this is all McD's fault. Oh, and Bowlen is a gutless drunk and Xanders is a puppet.

One big problem with this comparison.

Jay is the entrenched starter and Pro Bowl WB. Brady Q is riding the pine and hopes to get a shot as a starter. Any knucklehead can see they would obviously have different opinions of a trade...:sunshine:

Merlin
03-13-2009, 01:50 PM
As for the trade proposals, people here are grossly overrating Cutler's value. Quinn, Rogers, and the Browns 2nd round pick would be a more accurate demand
How is that? Rodgers was worth a low 3rd lround ast yr, Quinn at best has second round mid-range value, and Cutler is worth far more than a #5. MacD lovers were suggesting that we were going to Get a #1 and #20 plus Cassel in trade for Cutler. If the last one is true, then Cleveland is getting a bargain. But even if the last is BS (as I suspect it is because it has never been confirmed and you can bet they would have let the info out to calm all the friction), going by the numbers that Cleveland players should be worth, Cutler should be worth their value plus a very high first round choice.