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UberBroncoMan
03-11-2009, 04:55 PM
What do you all feel are the odds that Bus Cook is manipulating the situation by keeping Jay mad enough to potentially not report to camp and get traded.

The benefit for Cook over this is that the trade would likely net Jay a new contract which would give Cook a big payday via commission.

For all we know Cook is telling Jay after meetings, "see they have no respect, stick it to them hard."

I still think Mc****Tard has been stupid throughout the ordeal, but Jay needs to move on and just play football at this point and prove to Bowlen and the NFL that he is the future of this organization.

I wouldn't be surprised if Cook is manipulating the entire situation... he did after all, as mentioned before on this forum... manage Brett Favre and was a huge part of the mess in Green Bay last season.

Tombstone RJ
03-11-2009, 05:00 PM
What do you all feel are the odds that Bus Cook is manipulating the situation by keeping Jay mad enough to potentially not report to camp and get traded.

The benefit for Cook over this is that the trade would likely net Jay a new contract which would give Cook a big payday via commission.

For all we know Cook is telling Jay after meetings, "see they have no respect, stick it to them hard."

I still think Mc****Tard has been stupid throughout the ordeal, but Jay needs to move on and just play football at this point and prove to Bowlen and the NFL that he is the future of this organization.

I wouldn't be surprised if Cook is manipulating the entire situation... he did after all, as mentioned before on this forum... manage Brett Favre and was a huge part of the mess in Green Bay last season.

I'll give you two words why I hate Bus Cook: Brett Favre

USMCBladerunner
03-11-2009, 05:00 PM
If it's Cooks fault, then it's Cutler's fault. The agent works for the player and is an extension of his professional position. Jay is butthurt because he is an overly sensitive, fragile, egotistical, petulant, childish, bitch. If he lets his agent manipulate him like you are suggesting, then he is even more flawed than I think he is.

UberBroncoMan
03-11-2009, 05:07 PM
If it's Cooks fault, then it's Cutler's fault. The agent works for the player and is an extension of his professional position. Jay is butthurt because he is an overly sensitive, fragile, egotistical, petulant, childish, b****. If he lets his agent manipulate him like you are suggesting, then he is even more flawed than I think he is.

It should be noted that a lot of actors, sports starts, and even novelists let themselves get manipulated by agents. Also I believe Cutler had a right to be pissed with how the FO handled the mess. That said he should move on and just focus on playing football for the Broncos at this point.

BABronco
03-11-2009, 05:12 PM
It should be noted that a lot of actors, sports starts, and even novelists let themselves get manipulated by agents. Also I believe Cutler had a right to be pissed with how the FO handled the mess. That said he should move on and just focus on playing football for the Broncos at this point.

Amen :approve:

DeuceOfClub
03-11-2009, 05:14 PM
It is quite obvious that "The Source" of the conference call was Bus Cook.
The Broncos have nothing to gain by publicizing the fact the the phone conversation didn't end well. If they want to keep Jay - better to just be quite about it / if they want to trade- no reason to "lower" his trade value.

ludo21
03-11-2009, 05:22 PM
I would bet having someone like Cook is not helping things at this point.

BroncoMan4ever
03-11-2009, 05:25 PM
What do you all feel are the odds that Bus Cook is manipulating the situation by keeping Jay mad enough to potentially not report to camp and get traded.

The benefit for Cook over this is that the trade would likely net Jay a new contract which would give Cook a big payday via commission.

For all we know Cook is telling Jay after meetings, "see they have no respect, stick it to them hard."

I still think Mc****Tard has been stupid throughout the ordeal, but Jay needs to move on and just play football at this point and prove to Bowlen and the NFL that he is the future of this organization.

I wouldn't be surprised if Cook is manipulating the entire situation... he did after all, as mentioned before on this forum... manage Brett Favre and was a huge part of the mess in Green Bay last season.


actually Buss has nothing to gain by Jay being traded. Jay wasn't asking for an extension for more money, he was asking for the extension as a form of good faith from the organization. if Jay is traded it is almost certain the team that aquires him, will not sign him long term and he will play out his rookie deal and hit FA where he will get paid then. because if he is traded to Detroit, there is no way in hell he is going to sign long-term to be a Detroit QB the rest of his career. short of being traded to a place like Minnesotta, where they are a good QB away from being a super bowl contender, expect him to play out the rest of his rookie contract and then cash in as a FA.

USMCBladerunner
03-11-2009, 05:27 PM
It should be noted that a lot of actors, sports starts, and even novelists let themselves get manipulated by agents. Also I believe Cutler had a right to be pissed with how the FO handled the mess. That said he should move on and just focus on playing football for the Broncos at this point.

If Cutler wants to be hurt by the idea that the Broncos considered taking a starting QB and 2 ist round picks for him but didn't, then fine he can be insulted I guess.

But for me I say what mess? There was no mess until Cutler started acting like McDaniels was balling his mother behind his back. GM's discussing possible trades happens all the freaking time. The fact that Cutler caught wind of it and felt like the Broncos kicked sand in his clit is the problem. How about manning up and removing any doubt whether they were right to keep you.

UberBroncoMan
03-11-2009, 05:35 PM
actually Buss has nothing to gain by Jay being traded. Jay wasn't asking for an extension for more money, he was asking for the extension as a form of good faith from the organization. if Jay is traded it is almost certain the team that aquires him, will not sign him long term and he will play out his rookie deal and hit FA where he will get paid then. because if he is traded to Detroit, there is no way in hell he is going to sign long-term to be a Detroit QB the rest of his career. short of being traded to a place like Minnesotta, where they are a good QB away from being a super bowl contender, expect him to play out the rest of his rookie contract and then cash in as a FA.

The extension was only a offhanded comment the morning he found out about this mess... "I don't know if they don't think they'll be able to resign me." It's not really been big news. Teams often sign marquee or franchise players to big contracts after they trade for them, so I'd actually expect whoever got Cutler to do that. Sure it's not a 100% guarantee, but teams do it all the time, look it up. Like Cutler is going to say NO to millions upon millions being thrown at his face.

I have a feeling though that Cutler is going to realize his life without the O-line we have right now isn't going to be something he wants to deal with. I actually believe our O-line and the lack of hits/sacks he got last year (partially do to his mobility) is a big reason he'd want to stay here.


If Cutler wants to be hurt by the idea that the Broncos considered taking a starting QB and 2 ist round picks for him but didn't, then fine he can be insulted I guess.

But for me I say what mess? There was no mess until Cutler started acting like McDaniels was balling his mother behind his back. GM's discussing possible trades happens all the freaking time. The fact that Cutler caught wind of it and felt like the Broncos kicked sand in his clit is the problem. How about manning up and removing any doubt whether they were right to keep you.

The Detroit trade was speculation, the horrible Tampa Bay trade was the one that people thought was the real thing... aka, we trade our 1st for Tampa's 1st (we actually drop from 12th to 19th) and we lose Cutler for Cassel... that trade premise alone was beyond stupid.

Tell me how you'd feel if you had a new boss and he was thinking about replacing you with a friend of his? Knowing that the end result would mean you'd lose all your friends/teammates and have to move? Knowing that you made the Pro-Bowl and you felt that you earned the right to keep starting? Knowing that you had bought into McDaniels "kool aid" just to find out all that talk about a strong QB/HC relationship was rubbish. Just to find out one morning from a reporter that he was talked about in trade talks. There's no wonder he was pissed.

He does need to get over it and play football, but he has every right to be pissed at McDaniels over the BS that's gone on. I still believe though that Bus Cook has a lot to do with why it's still going on.

UberBroncoMan
03-11-2009, 05:43 PM
Oh FYI...

I just found out that Randy Moss has used Buss Cook as his agent since 1998.

Can anyone say Minnesota mess followed by Oakland "I'm not gonna try hard" till he got traded.

Buss Cook is a parasite and he molds his players minds into creating bigger messes.

titan
03-11-2009, 05:44 PM
Cutler featured on Bus Cook website: http://buscooksports.com/

theAPAOps5
03-11-2009, 05:44 PM
Oh FYI...

I just found out that Randy Moss has used Buss Cook as his agent since 1998.

Can anyone say Minnesota mess followed by Oakland "I'm not gonna try hard" till he got traded.

Buss Cook is a parasite and he molds his players minds into creating bigger messes.

Why do you think Bret wanted him to come to GreenBay. Same agent.....

UberBroncoMan
03-11-2009, 05:49 PM
Why do you think Bret wanted him to come to GreenBay. Same agent.....

That's a good point actually.

I'm starting to hate Bus Cook over this deal more than McTards handling of the situation.

TheReverend
03-11-2009, 05:50 PM
Blaming the agent is weak. Especially when the player he works for is actually smart.

Cold fact is if he leaves, he'll probably make an extra $50 mill MINIMUM over his career. He doesn't need Denver right now, but Denver needs him.

UberBroncoMan
03-11-2009, 05:51 PM
Blaming the agent is weak. Especially when the player he works for is actually smart.

Cold fact is if he leaves, he'll probably make an extra $50 mill MINIMUM over his career. He doesn't need Denver right now, but Denver needs him.

Kind of hard not to with his track record of drama involving players.

Oh... by the way.

It turns out Bus Cook represents Calvin Johnson of the Lions.

Dun Dun Dunnn!

USMCBladerunner
03-11-2009, 05:55 PM
The Detroit trade was speculation, the horrible Tampa Bay trade was the one that people thought was the real thing... aka, we trade our 1st for Tampa's 1st (we actually drop from 12th to 19th) and we lose Cutler for Cassel... that trade premise alone was beyond stupid.

Agreed. I think that would be a stupid trade, but I haven't heard anything to lend more credence to one scenario over another, and the fact that none of them actually happened renders them all moot. The only thing left to mull over is whether entertaining ANY offer for Cutler is taboo or not. I think we all know that the real answer is of course not. As a GM you at least listen.

Tell me how you'd feel if you had a new boss and he was thinking about replacing you with a friend of his? Knowing that the end result would mean you'd lose all your friends/teammates and have to move? Knowing that you made the Pro-Bowl and you felt that you earned the right to keep starting? Knowing that you had bought into McDaniels "kool aid" just to find out all that talk about a strong QB/HC relationship was rubbish. Just to find out one morning from a reporter that he was talked about in trade talks. There's no wonder he was pissed.

I get new bosses all the time. Some of them shake things around right away. Some of them don't. Granted, an NFL QB whose demonstrated some success is afforded some special consideration, however, this is professional sports. His friends and teammates and having to relocated are completely and totally non-factors. If him not getting to play with his buddies in the NFL is an issue, then Jay Cutler simply doesn't have the right stuff. I doubt that this is part of the problem really. I expect that the nature of Cutler's finding out about the trade discussion is the real problem. He feels "betrayed." He has a leg to stand on. If everyone is tradable, he shouldn't have been led to believe that he wasn't (if that's the case). Regardless of how he feels though, his acting out the way he is is pathetic. I used to think he was a potentially great QB with some flawed leadership. Now I think he's a humongous pussy.

TheReverend
03-11-2009, 06:06 PM
Kind of hard not to with his track record of drama involving players.

Oh... by the way.

It turns out Bus Cook represents Calvin Johnson of the Lions.

Dun Dun Dunnn!

I'm not so sure we can blame Bus that Brett can't make his ****ing mind up...

UberBroncoMan
03-11-2009, 06:56 PM
I'm not so sure we can blame Bus that Brett can't make his ****ing mind up...

Bus helped fuel the drama fire. There was no real need for things to end how they did because Brett couldn't make his mind up. Everything could have been kept down low and quiet, but it seems Bus likes huge spectacles.

TheReverend
03-11-2009, 07:03 PM
Bus helped fuel the drama fire. There was no real need for things to end how they did because Brett couldn't make his mind up. Everything could have been kept down low and quiet, but it seems Bus likes huge spectacles.

I really think Brett loves attention, really.

Tombstone RJ
03-11-2009, 08:02 PM
Blaming the agent is weak. Especially when the player he works for is actually smart.

Cold fact is if he leaves, he'll probably make an extra $50 mill MINIMUM over his career. He doesn't need Denver right now, but Denver needs him.

This is exactly why Cutler/Cook are gonna make things very difficult for the Broncos. This is Cooks only leverage for Jay too. But McX are playing hard ball. I've got a feeling that Jay is only going to show up for mandatory practices. He's gonna do the absolute contract minimum if he wants out.

Also, no one knows if Cook/Shanny had some kind of verbal arrangement of some kind. Maybe Shanny made promises that got shelved when he left.

elsid13
03-11-2009, 08:19 PM
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This is exactly why Cutler/Cook are gonna make things very difficult for the Broncos. This is Cooks only leverage for Jay too. But McX are playing hard ball. I've got a feeling that Jay is only going to show up for mandatory practices. He's gonna do the absolute contract minimum if he wants out.

Also, no one knows if Cook/Shanny had some kind of verbal arrangement of some kind. Maybe Shanny made promises that got shelved when he left.

Has anyone thought that maybe McDaniels was told to explore other options because Bowlen doesn't think he has the money to pay Cutler?

extralife
03-11-2009, 08:22 PM
There is no doubt in my mind that Bus would like to see Cutler traded. I'm not so sure that's a big influence on Jay's actions and decisions, however.

extralife
03-11-2009, 08:23 PM
Has anyone thought that maybe McDaniels was told to explore other options because Bowlen doesn't think he has the money to pay Cutler?

Well, considering Jay Culter will be one of the cheapest starting QBs in the NFL next year and Matt Cassel will be one of the most expensive, I'm going to doubt it.

elsid13
03-11-2009, 08:24 PM
Well, considering Jay Culter will be one of the cheapest starting QBs in the NFL next year and Matt Cassel will be one of the most expensive, I'm going to doubt it.

I am thinking long term.

extralife
03-11-2009, 08:26 PM
Long term the difference probably won't be that great, (we're talking first extension, here--beyond that is impossible to predict) and will be made up for by the fact that Jay is on the cheap this year and next.

Taco John
03-11-2009, 08:31 PM
I'm not sure how anyone could hate Bus Cook over this. He's pretty much stayed out of the way. By all appearances, this is between Jay and Josh.

theAPAOps5
03-11-2009, 08:36 PM
I'm not sure how anyone could hate Bus Cook over this. He's pretty much stayed out of the way. By all appearances, this is between Jay and Josh.

Dude come on you are smarter than that. Bus Cook is probably leaking a ton of this to the media. He has a track record a mile long. I fully expect he is a major player in this. Jay and Bus are either angling for a new improved contract or a ticket out of town as Jay has been informed he is just another player on the team.

Dean
03-11-2009, 08:37 PM
Hathat no one but the priciples know what the hell happened and what was said and done about it. A huge amount of ink and air time has been sacrificed on this story but they don't include quotes. It is alway some mysterious informant said something about the situation. Whether it is a paper or a talk show these people are paid to draw attention. They are not paid based upon authenticity. ;)

BroncoBuff
03-11-2009, 08:42 PM
http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/7098/busc.jpg
http://www.buscook.com/component/option,com_frontpage/Itemid,1/

Taco John
03-11-2009, 08:44 PM
He has a track record a mile long.

You sure about that? Bus Cook isn't that type of agent. What's his track record a mile long? Brett Favre? That's Brett Favre's deal. Bus was just representing him.

I'm not too interested in going to bat for Bus Cook - I don't know the man. But I do know his reputation, and it's on the opposite spectrum of a Drew Rosenhouse. Bus Cook is known for not over-extending himself, keeping quiet, and working for what's in the best interests of his client (as opposed to himself). He isn't a "spotlight seeking" agent.

theAPAOps5
03-11-2009, 08:46 PM
He isn't seeking the spotlight he is seeking the best contract for his client. Thats his motivation, he wants to get Jay more money or out of town. Look at the bio Buff posted. The guy also represents Randy Moss. So we are talking about 3 men in Cutler, Favre, and Moss who have GIGANTIC ego's, yet all he cares about is representing them. No sir I think he is in for more than that.

Garcia Bronco
03-11-2009, 08:49 PM
Cook only makes big money when Cutler signs NFL contracts.

elsid13
03-11-2009, 08:50 PM
Dude come on you are smarter than that. Bus Cook is probably leaking a ton of this to the media. He has a track record a mile long. I fully expect he is a major player in this. Jay and Bus are either angling for a new improved contract or a ticket out of town as Jay has been informed he is just another player on the team.


What is the supposed mile long track record? He has over 30 NFL players on his "roster" and only two have been "problems". Randy Moss who came into the league as problem and Favre who was undecided on what he wanted to do. Cutler has said multiply times he wants to stay in Denver, Cook hasn't been an agent to that act others out there.

Can we not all face the fact the FO ****ed up when they let the story leak, Cutler reacted honestly like he felt rightly or wrongly. Now we have two bullhead personalities attempt to prove who is the alpha male in the group?

theAPAOps5
03-11-2009, 09:09 PM
Dude go read this analysis of the Saint Bus Cook:

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=78194

UberBroncoMan
03-11-2009, 09:27 PM
Dude go read this analysis of the Saint Bus Cook:

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=78194

Check and Mate

BroncoMan4ever
03-11-2009, 09:43 PM
The extension was only a offhanded comment the morning he found out about this mess... "I don't know if they don't think they'll be able to resign me." It's not really been big news. Teams often sign marquee or franchise players to big contracts after they trade for them, so I'd actually expect whoever got Cutler to do that. Sure it's not a 100% guarantee, but teams do it all the time, look it up. Like Cutler is going to say NO to millions upon millions being thrown at his face.

I have a feeling though that Cutler is going to realize his life without the O-line we have right now isn't going to be something he wants to deal with. I actually believe our O-line and the lack of hits/sacks he got last year (partially do to his mobility) is a big reason he'd want to stay here.

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if it is from a place like Detroit, i would bet my left nut he would not sign a long term deal with them regardless of the deal. in 2 years Cutler will become the highest paid player in NFL history. he knows this, the team knows this, and because of that, even if he is traded he isn't going to sign long term now, he is going to play out 2 more years of his current deal and get his numbers up to the point he can get the richest contract in NFL history. if he is extended right now, he will get something like Romo's deal from Dallas, but if he holds off 2 years, he will set the mark for highest paid QB in the league.

Taco John
03-11-2009, 09:48 PM
He isn't seeking the spotlight he is seeking the best contract for his client. Thats his motivation, he wants to get Jay more money or out of town. Look at the bio Buff posted. The guy also represents Randy Moss. So we are talking about 3 men in Cutler, Favre, and Moss who have GIGANTIC ego's, yet all he cares about is representing them. No sir I think he is in for more than that.


Even still... Bus Cook didn't create this situation.

UberBroncoMan
03-11-2009, 09:52 PM
Even still... Bus Cook didn't create this situation.

I for one don't think he did. I think he merely sees blood in the water and is going to make the most of it.

cutthemdown
03-11-2009, 09:53 PM
actually Buss has nothing to gain by Jay being traded. Jay wasn't asking for an extension for more money, he was asking for the extension as a form of good faith from the organization. if Jay is traded it is almost certain the team that aquires him, will not sign him long term and he will play out his rookie deal and hit FA where he will get paid then. because if he is traded to Detroit, there is no way in hell he is going to sign long-term to be a Detroit QB the rest of his career. short of being traded to a place like Minnesotta, where they are a good QB away from being a super bowl contender, expect him to play out the rest of his rookie contract and then cash in as a FA.

I disagree no team would give up a first round pick and the just let QB hit FA. They would try to get a new deal done IMO.

theAPAOps5
03-11-2009, 09:54 PM
I for one don't think he did. I think he merely sees blood in the water and is going to make the most of it.

Exactly, while he didn't create it I can see him using it to his and his clients advantage. It makes me think that he is the leak saying Cutler left that phone call even more upset. They want a big fat contract thrown to them. Its why he will show up Monday. If they don't get it, they will manipulate the story out of town.

Taco John
03-11-2009, 09:56 PM
I for one don't think he did. I think he merely sees blood in the water and is going to make the most of it.



Well of course. What kind of agent would he be if he didn't?

It's easy to demonize an agent. But so far, the guy has made one statement to the media. There's not much to work from here except speculation. I don't see any reason to demonize the agent until he actually does something substantive worth getting excited about. That time may surely come.

theAPAOps5
03-11-2009, 09:58 PM
Well of course. What kind of agent would he be if he didn't?

It's easy to demonize an agent. But so far, the guy has made one statement to the media. There's not much to work from here except speculation. I don't see any reason to demonize the agent until he actually does something substantive worth getting excited about. That time may surely come.

He's made one statement "officially" I am willing to bet he is several of the unnamed sources.