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JCMElway
03-10-2009, 11:56 PM
When I first learned that we might be trading Cutler, I was horrified. How in the world could we trade our QB of the future? Our gunslinger? The guy who can make all the throws? He is the cornerstone of this franchise and we all have high hopes for him to finally replace John and bring the Broncs back to the glory days.

Well, all of that is great if you have a psyche and emotional maturity that matches your physical talent level. Cutler does not. Period. His behavior during this whole ordeal has been absolutely disgraceful. The NFL is a business and every player in the league has their name come up in trade talks. Players no longer have a loyalty to teams anymore, except in very rare cases like Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. Heck, even Brett Favre left Green Bay where he was an icon. Players move on to new situations in the NFL, it's just standard operating procedure. 98% of the players in this league get that. But not our boy.

If it is true that we would have received Cassel with a first and a third, that would have been great value for a punk who thinks he has arrived but hasn't done a damn thing in this league yet. Even when I was all for keeping Cutler here, that deal would have given us a QB that knows McDaniels system and picks to help rebuild our defense.

If Jay comes around and grows up a bit, great. Honestly, the way things have developed over the past week or so, I hope we can still get some kind of value for him. McDaniels is remaking this team with his vision, and we do not have time to coddle any egos here. Do your job and play hard, or get out. And don't let the door hit you in the a$$ on the way out.

Get Detroit on the phone. Jay for their #20 over all, with maybe a 4th rounder thrown in, looks pretty good right now.

scttgrd
03-11-2009, 12:01 AM
And who do you replace him with?

yerner
03-11-2009, 12:03 AM
nothing like reading a post whining about jay cutler whining.

bpc
03-11-2009, 12:03 AM
I love how everybody preaches this high and mighty crap that Cutler should just take this trade talk like a man and embrace it....

Sorry, any prideful person who pours his soul into something feels hurt, upset, angry when there are double dealings behind their back.

ANYBODY in their jobs right now, if they care about that job or has something riding on that job would be pissed if their bosses talked openly about replacing them from other sources.

If you deny it, you are a liar and/or hate your job.

Cutler has everything in Denver. Denver is his first franchise, home to some of his best friends and teammates he was drafted with that have worked their way up to being one of the top young offenses in the league, he also owns A HOUSE in Denver with his parents, etcetera.

I don't think Jay has reacted poorly to the situation. I think he's acted like somebody who is hurt by the situation and doesn't trust the party in control of his fate. I think they are fake and their words change daily.

BUT HEY, all those mightier than thou people think he should just go sit in the corner and wait for the FO to decide what to do with him and then be okay with it.

Come on, get real.

Taco John
03-11-2009, 12:06 AM
Like I say... I can't blame Jay. The front office screwed up, and then tried to dump it in Jay's lap as if it was all his fault. All they had to do today was come out and say, "look, sorry for the misunderstanding. You're our guy. Let's put this behind us."

Instead, they treated him like this whole issue was his fault and they had no faults to speak of.

If I was Jay, I'd say, "fine, trade me. I don't need this."

All they had to do was show a little respect for jerking him around.

Prodigal19
03-11-2009, 12:07 AM
I love how everybody preaches this high and mighty crap that Cutler should just take this trade talk like a man and embrace it....

Sorry, any prideful person who pours his soul into something feels hurt, upset, angry when there are double dealings behind their back.

ANYBODY in their jobs right now, if they care about that job or has something riding on that job would be pissed if their bosses talked openly about replacing them from other sources.

If you deny it, you are a liar and/or hate your job.

Cutler has everything in Denver. Denver is his first franchise, home to some of his best friends and teammates he was drafted with that have worked their way up to being one of the top young offenses in the league, he also owns A HOUSE in Denver with his parents, etcetera.

I don't think Jay has reacted poorly to the situation. I think he's acted like somebody who is hurt by the situation and doesn't trust the party in control of his fate. I think they are fake and their words change daily.

BUT HEY, all those mightier than thou people think he should just go sit in the corner and wait for the FO to decide what to do with him and then be okay with it.

Come on, get real.
okay chris crocker.

AZBroncomaniac
03-11-2009, 12:07 AM
Can someone PLEASE post the pic of the Star Trek dude with his head buried in his hand.

Lomax
03-11-2009, 12:07 AM
I thought the deal was that Cutler would go to the Bucs, who would send picks to New England and Cassel would come here. I didn't read anything about us receiving a first and a third. Is that some other deal?

BroncoDoug
03-11-2009, 12:08 AM
And who do you replace him with?

Umm, did you read his post...In the original trade we would have gotten Cassell...if we would have done the original deal. If we just trade for a draft pick..then get the kid from KState and let Simms be the stop gap for a year...

JCMElway
03-11-2009, 12:08 AM
And who do you replace him with?

If we get a first round pick? Sanchez or Freeman, with Simms running the team this year.

Not the best scenario for this year, but I'd love to have someone on board who wants to be here and accepts the new coaching staff.

bpc
03-11-2009, 12:10 AM
okay chris crocker.

f'n A right.

scttgrd
03-11-2009, 12:12 AM
If we get a first round pick? Sanchez or Freeman, with Simms running the team this year.

Not the best scenario for this year, but I'd love to have someone on board who wants to be here and accepts the new coaching staff.

How about the coaching staff stepping up like men and working with the talent that is already here instead of going after Cassell the security blanket. He can't be much of a coach if he can only work with that one QB.

bpc
03-11-2009, 12:13 AM
If we get a first round pick? Sanchez or Freeman, with Simms running the team this year.

Not the best scenario for this year, but I'd love to have someone on board who wants to be here and accepts the new coaching staff.

JAY would have been here despite all this BS if the coaching staff and FO would have came into this phone conversation and just backed up what they said. Instead, they threw fuel on the fire.

Somebody who accepts the new coaching staff? You mean that doesn't mind double dealing and shady personalities?

The best part of this post is you want to take another QB. Prepare for another 3 year learning curve and probably minimal results after that. Jay is a franchise QB. Sanchez looks marginal, Freeman looks inconsistent.

I love how Bowlen and his followers have adopted this "the grass is always greener on the other side" approach.

Laughable.

OrangeRising
03-11-2009, 12:21 AM
I have been leaning toward McDaniels side of things in all this. Until this today. What a ridiculous way to re-connect after all the miscommunication and misinformation. McDaniels either doesn't 'get it', or he doesn't want to get it, maybe hoping the situation gets so bad there's no other option but to trade Jay Cutler. I know, sounds ridiculous. About as ridiculous as telling someone you just reassured wouldn't be traded, that no-one is untradeable. Jay isn't innocent in all this, but McDaniels picked an awfully poor circumstance to reassert himself as Alpha Male.

bpc
03-11-2009, 12:27 AM
I have been leaning toward McDaniels side of things in all this. Until this today. What a ridiculous way to re-connect after all the miscommunication and misinformation. McDaniels either doesn't 'get it', or he doesn't want to get it, maybe hoping the situation gets so bad there's no other option but to trade Jay Cutler. I know, sounds ridiculous. About as ridiculous as telling someone you just reassured wouldn't be traded, that no-one is untradeable. Jay isn't innocent in all this, but McDaniels picked an awfully poor circumstance to reassert himself as Alpha Male.

Personally I think that McDaniels is incensed that the people of Denver chose Cutler over him two weeks ago. IMO, his situation is to use Cutler's personality against him. Chaffe him, rub him wrong, say things that can be ambiguous and ultimately piss him off to the point where he asks for a trade and McNugget gets his wish.

The whole situation is really sad for die-hard fans.

JCMElway
03-11-2009, 12:32 AM
We agree there bpc. This sucks.

cutthemdown
03-11-2009, 12:43 AM
Like I say... I can't blame Jay. The front office screwed up, and then tried to dump it in Jay's lap as if it was all his fault. All they had to do today was come out and say, "look, sorry for the misunderstanding. You're our guy. Let's put this behind us."

Instead, they treated him like this whole issue was his fault and they had no faults to speak of.

If I was Jay, I'd say, "fine, trade me. I don't need this."

All they had to do was show a little respect for jerking him around.

I'd tell Jays agent we took him with a high pick and traded picks to get him. Also we have 3 yrs invested in coaching him. We put his value to the team at 2 first round draft picks and one has to be in top 15. Otherwise we need a 2nd round pick as well. Then tell them to go find a team willing to give that up. If Jay is as special as he thinks he is it shouldn't be really hard to find. I mean if he is an elite QB he is easily worth that.

Broncos can rebuild because with or without Cutler its 2 maybe 3 yrs before Broncos will be a true contender IMO.

So far they haven't made one move this offseason that really helps build the defense for the long term.

UberBroncoMan
03-11-2009, 12:45 AM
Can someone PLEASE post the pic of the Star Trek dude with his head buried in his hand.

http://pro.zapak.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/picard-facepalm.jpg

UberBroncoMan
03-11-2009, 12:47 AM
Broncos can rebuild because with or without Cutler its 2 maybe 3 yrs before Broncos will be a true contender IMO.

With who? Another Griese or a Plummer?

People here really underestimate how hard it is to find a quality franchise QB, especially at a young age.

Imagine if the Titans had Cutler last year with one stud receiver, whew.

The whole crappy QB thing tends to only work with top of the line/ridiculously good defenses... guess what, that's not what we are.

Popps
03-11-2009, 12:49 AM
Like I say... I can't blame Jay. The front office screwed up, and then tried to dump it in Jay's lap as if it was all his fault. All they had to do today was come out and say, "look, sorry for the misunderstanding. You're our guy. Let's put this behind us."

Instead, they treated him like this whole issue was his fault and they had no faults to speak of.

If I was Jay, I'd say, "fine, trade me. I don't need this."

All they had to do was show a little respect for jerking him around.

Again, Taco.... you're inventing stories.

You speak as if you know what was said. You don't.

You're basing your story upon what you would like to believe happened. Hey, we all are guilty of that, to an extent. I freely admit that I find Cutler's attitude suspect, and I absolutely believe he's playing the "don't you know who I am" card, and that's turning the staff off.

But, you're just creating a story-line based on a bias. These reports are flimsy, and you're only choosing to believe the half that suits your needs.
Again, we're probably all guilty of that... but let's not pretend we know what happened, because we don't.

One thing I DO know is that Cutler is stepping on his own dick, here. If he wants out... he's hurting his cause. If he wants to stay, he's hurting his cause. The WORST thing he could do in this situation is exactly what he's doing... whether you applaud him for his immaturity or not. He's hurting his OWN cause, and I can't believe his people haven't reeled his silly ass in yet.

Again, if Jay just takes the high road here... he's absolutely in the driver's seat. He goes out and plays lights-out ball, and commands a HUGE contract on the other end. OR, he takes the high road and makes himself look even more attractive to potential suitors, which gets him his (possible) wish of getting out of Denver faster.

No matter how you slice it... no matter who started it... no matter WHO you think is right or wrong.... Jay Cutler is butchering this thing as far as his OWN interests go.

Hogan11
03-11-2009, 12:50 AM
http://pro.zapak.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/picard-facepalm.jpg

That about sums it up...I'm so very tired of all this.

Popps
03-11-2009, 12:52 AM
Imove this offseason that really helps build the defense for the long term.

Well, the draft hasn't happened yet, first of all.

I'd also disagree on a personnel level. We've brought in a respected defensive coordinator. We got rid of Slowick. Addition by subtraction.

We've added leaders and vets to help solidify the team, and to help teach the young players the ropes.
We've cut some serious dead weight and added some potential key role players like Fields.

We're also potentially in a position to find better homes on the defense for tweeners like Moss, Dumervil and maybe even Powell.

So, a couple weeks into free agency... I'd say that's not bad, and that we have INDEED made moves to address the foundation of this defense going forward. Once the draft gets here, you'll see the real future for the D being put in place.

Taco John
03-11-2009, 12:55 AM
If he wants out... he's hurting his cause. If he wants to stay, he's hurting his cause.


This doesn't make any sense. If Jay decides that he doesn't want to play a down for McDaniels, all he has to do is not play a down for McDaniels. There will still be teams falling all over themselves to get their hands on him.

SonOfLe-loLang
03-11-2009, 12:59 AM
If we get a first round pick? Sanchez or Freeman, with Simms running the team this year.

Not the best scenario for this year, but I'd love to have someone on board who wants to be here and accepts the new coaching staff.

If this trade were to happen (and i really hope it doesnt) and we draft a QB in the first round, i will be beyond pissed off. If its a QB they want in the first round, KEEP THE FIRST ROUND QB THEY HAVE AND MAKE HIM PLAY. He doesn't hold the cards, he's not a free agent for 2 more years (and they can always franchise him then!) He doesnt have to like coach, but he will play hard...hes too competitive.

JCMElway
03-11-2009, 12:59 AM
It does make sense. IF he wants out, he puts on a good public face and ask the Broncs to trade him behind the scenes. He looks better and doesn't look like an A-hole. Not looking like a jerk increase your chances of catching on somewhere.

If he wants to stay, falling in line with the staff is what needs to happen.

SonOfLe-loLang
03-11-2009, 01:01 AM
It does make sense. IF he wants out, he puts on a good public face and ask the Broncs to trade him behind the scenes. He looks better and doesn't look like an A-hole. Not looking like a jerk increase your chances of catching on somewhere.

If he wants to stay, falling in line with the staff is what needs to happen.

Right now, if you read message boards (like ESPN), people generally blame cutler. Cutler has no other play, but to play.

Kaylore
03-11-2009, 01:01 AM
I think this is all on Jay. I think the front office entertained trade offers and then said no. Even if they "shopped him" like many believe that doesn't make his pouting justifiable. He has no right to ignore calls from Bowlen. He has no right to demand they keep Bates. If he doesn't show up for workouts he's dead to me.

Is McDaniels supposed to kiss Jay's ass? Why? How will that endear him to the team? "Oh look. Here comes Mcdaniels who's thrown all his dignity away treating the players differently licking Jay's bunghole." Screw that. Be fair with the players. Everyone is treated the same. Everyone's job is on the line. Everyone could be traded.

Deal with it Jay. You're under contract and they can shop you like meat. Be a man, accept it and go to work.

If he doesn't come in for workouts he's dead to me, and I hope they trade him to a team with nothing.

SonOfLe-loLang
03-11-2009, 01:02 AM
I think this is all on Jay. I think the front office entertained trade offers and then said no. Even if they "shopped him" like many believe that doesn't make his pouting justifiable. He has no right to ignore calls from Bowlen. He has no right to demand they keep Bates. If he doesn't show up for workouts he's dead to me.

Is McDaniels supposed to kiss Jay's ass? Why? How will that endear him to the team? "Oh look. Here comes Mcdaniels who's thrown all his dignity away treating the players differently licking Jay's bunghole." Screw that. Be fair with the players. Everyone is treated the same. Everyone's job is on the line. Everyone could be traded.

Deal with it Jay. You're under contract and they can shop you like meat. Be a man, accept it and go to work.

If he doesn't come in for workouts he's dead to me, and I hope they trade him to a team with nothing.

Agreed. Coaches are hired to be in charge. Jay still has his starting job, he still has his money...so whats he really complaining about?

cutthemdown
03-11-2009, 01:06 AM
Well, the draft hasn't happened yet, first of all.

I'd also disagree on a personnel level. We've brought in a respected defensive coordinator. We got rid of Slowick. Addition by subtraction.

We've added leaders and vets to help solidify the team, and to help teach the young players the ropes.
We've cut some serious dead weight and added some potential key role players like Fields.

We're also potentially in a position to find better homes on the defense for tweeners like Moss, Dumervil and maybe even Powell.

So, a couple weeks into free agency... I'd say that's not bad, and that we have INDEED made moves to address the foundation of this defense going forward. Once the draft gets here, you'll see the real future for the D being put in place.

I agree with all that. I like the moves, my point was more that it will take 2 good drafts to really fix it. I agree though we cut dead weight, brought in some coaches that could be good fits, found some role players, and an aging star in Dawkins who can probably play really well for 2 more yrs at least.

I also agree that Moss and Dumerville still have a shot at being good players, maybe even Crowder.

Still though NFL is a tough place to win and I think the Broncos are several standout players away from being much.

If we find 2 more starters like Clady and Royal this yr in draft, and again next yr then I think Broncos could really have something. But Cutler being an arrogant punk is not what we need. I'm not saying Broncos handled it well, they could have done better keeping it quiet, or just taken on a policy of saying nothing, but I don't think they should doodle around playing footsie with Cutler. Players do not run the team, or not above being traded, and if they get feelings hurt should take it out on the football field not the newsroom.

All Cutler had to say to win me over in this situation would have been wow it would really suck to not be a Bronco. I love the Broncos, the city of Denver, but especially the fans. It would take me awhile to get over it but I realize football is a business and I will try my hardest to win wherever I end up. Also I don't understand what the new coach is doing, and if he trades me I will make him sorry he did.

That I could live with. But to say things like I don't know if I will show up for OTAS, or You don't see Manning being mentioned in trades. Or even saying publicly the coach lied to me. IMO you should fly to Denver and say that to the mans face and keep it in house. It's not good for the organization to have it aired through a media who basically hates the Broncos anyways.

AZBroncomaniac
03-11-2009, 01:07 AM
http://pro.zapak.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/picard-facepalm.jpg

REP!

24champ
03-11-2009, 01:08 AM
We should have hired raheem morris. Least he wants Cutler.

Popps
03-11-2009, 01:10 AM
This doesn't make any sense. If Jay decides that he doesn't want to play a down for McDaniels, all he has to do is not play a down for McDaniels. There will still be teams falling all over themselves to get their hands on him.

So, what... he's going to sit out for two years?

C'mon, Taco. You play poker. Who's more intimidating at a table... the guy with a massive chip-stack, or a guy with a couple of chips, on his last leg?

Cutler is basically pissing away the organization's chips... meaning, if he REALLY doesn't want to play for McDaniel, there are 100 better ways to go about it.

Even if he just manned up and said to the media... "I want a trade, period." At least that makes him seem genuine.

Right now, he's seen as a Javon Walker type in the sense that he's talented, but carries risk. The more he bitches and holds out, the worse he looks.

Get it? He's effectively lowering his own value with this. YES, teams will sign him, but he'll lose money by sitting out. He'll lose credibility by sitting out.
You brought up Mike Vick, but do you think Vick has leverage?

Cutler could have MAJOR leverage here if he just played his hand correctly.

But, a poker player he's not.

DBroncos4life
03-11-2009, 01:10 AM
Im just shocked that two people said Freeman.

cutthemdown
03-11-2009, 01:10 AM
Agreed. Coaches are hired to be in charge. Jay still has his starting job, he still has his money...so whats he really complaining about?

He's upset because his feelings are hurt plain and simple. He's not worried about playing football, he's worried about not being a big enough star so that any trade would be laughable. Let's face it Peyton Manning in his prime would not have been moved for 5 first round draft picks. Colts were that sold on him.

Cutler wants to be that, and he has the talent, but he seems impatient to me in that regard. Just like on the field, off it, he seems a little impatient and wants to be a star before he's even a planet. If he would just let Mcdaniels teach him up I'm sure he could be that good.

People aren't giving Mcdaniels a chance to even coach. They want him fired already. This kid is a slick play caller and has proven he can win even with the bkup coach. I love how this kid calls plays, he reminds me a lot of a young Shannahan. True we got Shanny after he got seasoned by niners for a couple yrs, but I think being around the Pats this kid will know what it takes to win.

Popps
03-11-2009, 01:16 AM
I love how everybody preaches this high and mighty crap that Cutler should just take this trade talk like a man and embrace it....
.

Chris, you've never bluffed in life? (Another poker reference, but it's so fitting.)

You've never grinned and bore a bad situation in life because you knew you had to do it to get through to the next level? You've never been polite to a boss you didn't care for?

You've never disagreed with your boss, but gone ahead with his request because you know that there are places in life to pick battles, and perhaps that wasn't one of them?

No one is saying Jay can't FEEL like a teenage girl, here. People are just saying that he's hurting HIS OWN cause by acting like one. He's also hurting the team's cause in the process.

But, if Jay Cutler was my son... or if I were his agent, I'd be grabbing him by the collar, sitting his ass in a chair and telling him that he's weakening his OWN position with the baby-stuff.

Again, even if you HATE the Broncos and LOVE Jay Cutler... you HAVE to understand that Cutler is making this worse on himself. Whether he's right or wrong in PRINCIPLE... he's making this worse on himself.

It's like arguing with your principle in high school. You may be right, but you're just digging yourself in deeper.

DBroncos4life
03-11-2009, 01:24 AM
I do like it when people say ship him to the Lions. Yeah I bet he would be pissed to play with a WR as talented as Calvin Johnson. That would be a start of something right there.

dsmoot
03-11-2009, 01:44 AM
I think this is all on Jay. I think the front office entertained trade offers and then said no. Even if they "shopped him" like many believe that doesn't make his pouting justifiable. He has no right to ignore calls from Bowlen. He has no right to demand they keep Bates. If he doesn't show up for workouts he's dead to me.

Is McDaniels supposed to kiss Jay's ass? Why? How will that endear him to the team? "Oh look. Here comes Mcdaniels who's thrown all his dignity away treating the players differently licking Jay's bunghole." Screw that. Be fair with the players. Everyone is treated the same. Everyone's job is on the line. Everyone could be traded.

Deal with it Jay. You're under contract and they can shop you like meat. Be a man, accept it and go to work.

If he doesn't come in for workouts he's dead to me, and I hope they trade him to a team with nothing.

All very good points. How do you think McD's mentor BB would handle this?

OBF1
03-11-2009, 02:03 AM
I do like it when people say ship him to the Lions. Yeah I bet he would be pissed to play with a WR as talented as Calvin Johnson. That would be a start of something right there.

What good would Calvin Johnson do Cutler in Detroit. Have you seen how pathetic their offensive line is and their RB situation.

arghemtee
03-11-2009, 02:11 AM
Like I say... I can't blame Jay. The front office screwed up, and then tried to dump it in Jay's lap as if it was all his fault. All they had to do today was come out and say, "look, sorry for the misunderstanding. You're our guy. Let's put this behind us."

Instead, they treated him like this whole issue was his fault and they had no faults to speak of.

If I was Jay, I'd say, "fine, trade me. I don't need this."

All they had to do was show a little respect for jerking him around.

and that is what will happen. McDaniels will then go 4-12 and will be fired next offseason, while Cutler goes to a team and helps them win.

arghemtee
03-11-2009, 02:12 AM
What good would Calvin Johnson do Cutler in Detroit. Have you seen how pathetic their offensive line is and their RB situation.

and our runningback situation is much better? They could easily draft a line to protect him.

Broncos solidfied their line with 1 player (Clady)

dsmoot
03-11-2009, 02:18 AM
and our runningback situation is much better? They could easily draft a line to protect him.

Broncos solidfied their line with 1 player (Clady)

No, it wasn't just Clady. The fortunate signing of Wiegmann, the return of Ben Hamilton and the somewhat unexpected play of Ryan Harris were significant contributions to OL performance last year. Review the threads on this site just a year ago. It was doom and gloom for the OL.

Mogulseeker
03-11-2009, 06:19 AM
okay chris crocker.

LEAVE Cutler ALOOOONEE. Leave him ALONE, I'm SERIOUS!

HorseHead
03-11-2009, 07:16 AM
I need some xanax...everybody is bummin' me out..

Front Office, Head Coach, Franchise Quarterback.., posters, trainers, the guy that dresses up in the Horse Outfit, the chick selling "Blue Moon" near aisle 5...

Everybody please get the sand out of your respective vagi-as...

oubronco
03-11-2009, 07:27 AM
I love how everybody preaches this high and mighty crap that Cutler should just take this trade talk like a man and embrace it....

Sorry, any prideful person who pours his soul into something feels hurt, upset, angry when there are double dealings behind their back.

ANYBODY in their jobs right now, if they care about that job or has something riding on that job would be pissed if their bosses talked openly about replacing them from other sources.

If you deny it, you are a liar and/or hate your job.

Cutler has everything in Denver. Denver is his first franchise, home to some of his best friends and teammates he was drafted with that have worked their way up to being one of the top young offenses in the league, he also owns A HOUSE in Denver with his parents, etcetera.

I don't think Jay has reacted poorly to the situation. I think he's acted like somebody who is hurt by the situation and doesn't trust the party in control of his fate. I think they are fake and their words change daily.

BUT HEY, all those mightier than thou people think he should just go sit in the corner and wait for the FO to decide what to do with him and then be okay with it.

Come on, get real.

Rep

Drek
03-11-2009, 07:38 AM
Damn there are a lot of people here who put Cutler before the Broncos franchise.

They need to show Cutler respect? He needs to start acting like a man and earn it.

At this point they should trade him if they can even get value for him, but I doubt you'd get much better than a 2nd or 3rd rounder. Listen to the NFL Network on Sirius XM, lot of guys on there are plugged into the league either as former players or as journalists with front office connections. They all say the same thing. Jay needs to grow up. If that is what they're saying then you know that is what GMs and HCs around the league are saying.

He should be demoted to second string behind Chris Simms, a guy who actually gets the team aspects of football and the fact that everyone is accountable, until he catches a clue.

DrFate
03-11-2009, 07:53 AM
Umm, did you read his post...In the original trade we would have gotten Cassell...if we would have done the original deal. If we just trade for a draft pick..then get the kid from KState and let Simms be the stop gap for a year...

Cassel is a backup - A CAREER backup. He didn't start in college. He got moved to TE in college. He was nearly cut by the Pats in the preseason. It's Matt FREAKIN Cassel. This isn't a good player for good player swap.

vancejohnson82
03-11-2009, 07:54 AM
I love how everybody preaches this high and mighty crap that Cutler should just take this trade talk like a man and embrace it....

Sorry, any prideful person who pours his soul into something feels hurt, upset, angry when there are double dealings behind their back.

ANYBODY in their jobs right now, if they care about that job or has something riding on that job would be pissed if their bosses talked openly about replacing them from other sources.

If you deny it, you are a liar and/or hate your job.

Cutler has everything in Denver. Denver is his first franchise, home to some of his best friends and teammates he was drafted with that have worked their way up to being one of the top young offenses in the league, he also owns A HOUSE in Denver with his parents, etcetera.

I don't think Jay has reacted poorly to the situation. I think he's acted like somebody who is hurt by the situation and doesn't trust the party in control of his fate. I think they are fake and their words change daily.

BUT HEY, all those mightier than thou people think he should just go sit in the corner and wait for the FO to decide what to do with him and then be okay with it.

Come on, get real.

hey, this is when you become illogical...

if you heard your boss might be letting you go, then you heard it wasnt true....THEN your boss (Bowlen) tried to call you TWICE and you didnt answer....you are then in the wrong...and should be let go

JCMElway
03-11-2009, 10:10 AM
My roommate just came up with a great idea. Trade Cutler to Detroit and get their second round pick this year, and their first round pick in 2010. That would allow us to stockpile on the D this year, and have the ammo to go and get Bradford or McCoy next year.

I wouldn't mind seeing those two take the reins of the offense.

Drek
03-11-2009, 10:13 AM
My roommate just came up with a great idea. Trade Cutler to Detroit and get their second round pick this year, and their first round pick in 2010. That would allow us to stockpile on the D this year, and have the ammo to go and get Bradford or McCoy next year.

I wouldn't mind seeing those two take the reins of the offense.

Cutler should bring more than that in return, if not I'd let him rot on the bench.

Two firsts, one of them this year and in the top 15, or he gets to sit and rot. Let Bus Cook go find us that deal.

ludo21
03-11-2009, 10:13 AM
Im sick of the whole situation. Neither side wants to put it to rest it seems.

It is the start of a long offseason...

Dudeskey
03-11-2009, 10:16 AM
Personally I think that McDaniels is incensed that the people of Denver chose Cutler over him two weeks ago. IMO, his situation is to use Cutler's personality against him. Chaffe him, rub him wrong, say things that can be ambiguous and ultimately piss him off to the point where he asks for a trade and McNugget gets his wish.

The whole situation is really sad for die-hard fans.

And generally stupid. So if it plays out how you think it might, then we may not get what was offered for him a week ago. Trade value's gonna take a huge ****...

Northman
03-11-2009, 10:23 AM
Life isnt fair and although i hate the way the McD has gone about this with Jay its time for Jay to suck it up and get on the same page. If not, then Jay needs to try and find another home elsewhere. You can only be mad for so long before it consumes you as a person. It will suck not having him here but if he cannot cut the **** loose and holds grudges he will be no good to this team. I was fine with him being upset for about a week but sooner or later your just going to have to come to terms with it.

Dagmar
03-11-2009, 11:11 AM
http://pro.zapak.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/picard-facepalm.jpg

http://finality.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/facepalm-1.jpg

SoDak Bronco
03-11-2009, 11:18 AM
Again, Taco.... you're inventing stories.

You speak as if you know what was said. You don't.

You're basing your story upon what you would like to believe happened. Hey, we all are guilty of that, to an extent. I freely admit that I find Cutler's attitude suspect, and I absolutely believe he's playing the "don't you know who I am" card, and that's turning the staff off.

But, you're just creating a story-line based on a bias. These reports are flimsy, and you're only choosing to believe the half that suits your needs.
Again, we're probably all guilty of that... but let's not pretend we know what happened, because we don't.

One thing I DO know is that Cutler is stepping on his own dick, here. If he wants out... he's hurting his cause. If he wants to stay, he's hurting his cause. The WORST thing he could do in this situation is exactly what he's doing... whether you applaud him for his immaturity or not. He's hurting his OWN cause, and I can't believe his people haven't reeled his silly ass in yet.

Again, if Jay just takes the high road here... he's absolutely in the driver's seat. He goes out and plays lights-out ball, and commands a HUGE contract on the other end. OR, he takes the high road and makes himself look even more attractive to potential suitors, which gets him his (possible) wish of getting out of Denver faster.

No matter how you slice it... no matter who started it... no matter WHO you think is right or wrong.... Jay Cutler is butchering this thing as far as his OWN interests go.

You are doing the same thing about the FO. So who gives a ****. You don't know anymore than TJ. One thing we do know, is-
--Last week McD claimed they didn't want to trade Jay, he wasn't on the block.

--yesterday they had the conference call and McD says no one is untradeable, so deal with it.

Don't you see a problem with that message? If I were Jay I'd be pissed too, because he is talking out both sides of his mouth. In order to get respect, McD needs to show some, and to this point he is coming off as a complete ass.

USMCBladerunner
03-11-2009, 12:26 PM
Don't you see a problem with that message? If I were Jay I'd be pissed too, because he is talking out both sides of his mouth. In order to get respect, McD needs to show some, and to this point he is coming off as a complete ass.

They are not. In professional sports, every player is potentially tradeable. Period. Every player has a value and if another team is willing to over-pay enough for a team, and that over-value fits into a long term plan for improvement, then the trade happens.

This is not the same thing as specifically looking to trade an individual. It's about the same topic, but not the same thing.

Maybe you hit onto something here. Maybe Culter isn't fragile and petulant, maybe he's just too ****ing stupid to understand what is being said to him.

Northman
03-11-2009, 12:33 PM
LEAVE Cutler ALOOOONEE. Leave him ALONE, I'm SERIOUS!

http://www.podcastingnews.com/content/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/leave-britney-alone-guy.jpg

bombay
03-11-2009, 12:38 PM
There's no doubt that the coach/front office has blundered about and made themselves look .. inexperienced, I guess. Still, Cutler is a pro (allegedly) under contract and making in the millions of dollars. Man up and do your job, Cutler. A real pro treats this as a challenge and improves his payday down the road.

Drek
03-11-2009, 12:39 PM
You are doing the same thing about the FO. So who gives a ****. You don't know anymore than TJ. One thing we do know, is-
--Last week McD claimed they didn't want to trade Jay, he wasn't on the block.

--yesterday they had the conference call and McD says no one is untradeable, so deal with it.

Don't you see a problem with that message? If I were Jay I'd be pissed too, because he is talking out both sides of his mouth. In order to get respect, McD needs to show some, and to this point he is coming off as a complete ass.

You'd see a problem if your capacity for logical thought was on par with a three year old.

Saying you weren't looking to trade him doesn't mean he's untradeable. It just means you weren't actively shopping to move him, but that if the right deal came along you'd consider, and possibly accept, it.

Thats all McDaniels has said to him. He's in no way lied or even stretched the truth according to any even remotely reliable source. Apparently Jay (and a good chunk of this board) really sucks at rational thought though because this isn't an "either/or" equation.

maher_tyler
03-11-2009, 12:50 PM
Personally I think that McDaniels is incensed that the people of Denver chose Cutler over him two weeks ago. IMO, his situation is to use Cutler's personality against him. Chaffe him, rub him wrong, say things that can be ambiguous and ultimately piss him off to the point where he asks for a trade and McNugget gets his wish.

The whole situation is really sad for die-hard fans.

I agree...but we all need to realize that both sides ****ed up. Who would have thought Hillis getting hurt would have snow balled into the cluster **** we now have!!

maher_tyler
03-11-2009, 01:18 PM
Agreed. Coaches are hired to be in charge. Jay still has his starting job, he still has his money...so whats he really complaining about?

Some people bitch if there ice cream is to cold...

bpc
03-11-2009, 01:23 PM
I agree...but we all need to realize that both sides ****ed up. Who would have thought Hillis getting hurt would have snow balled into the cluster **** we now have!!

Well the buck stops with Bowlen and he needs to sack up with some conviction and make a decision to side with McDaniels or Cutler. Hand picked successor or franchise QB...

I highly doubt the two can co-exist now.