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Sassy
03-10-2009, 05:08 PM
Issues remain according to text message from CBS4.

theAPAOps5
03-10-2009, 05:09 PM
Have spoked? :)

As long as he participates in OTA's and camp he can have all the issues he wants!

Sassy
03-10-2009, 05:10 PM
Oops...I'll fix that!

Kaylore
03-10-2009, 05:10 PM
Broncos have spoken to Cutler or have spooked him?

SureShot
03-10-2009, 05:10 PM
36,000 post rule!

Sassy
03-10-2009, 05:12 PM
Broncos have spoken to Cutler or have spooked him?

Might be a little of both.
They didn't say what the "issues" were.

Ambiguous
03-10-2009, 05:12 PM
Cutler-McDaniels Finally Speak, Issues Remain


CBS4 Sports has learned Jay Cutler and the Broncos have finally spoken. It was not face-to-face, but rather by conference call on Monday with Cutler, head coach Josh McDaniels and owner Pat Bowlen among those on the line.

The much awaited discussion was prompted after the now well-publicized events on the first weekend of free agency. The Broncos explored a possible trade that would have sent Cutler out of town for former Patriots backup Matt Cassel. The trade never happened and Cassel eventually ended up in Kansas City. The Broncos denied they initiated any trade talks, but Cutler was certain the team tried to move him.

Sources close to the situation tell CBS4 Sports that the tone of the dicussion was not exactly "make nice" as might have been expected. We're told McDaniels made it clear to the quarterback how the team will be run, and how Cutler was expected to fit into that plan. McDaniels reiterated the Broncos position that they have no intention of trading Cutler, but he also made it clear that all players are being constantly evaluated and could be traded if management thinks it will make the team better.

CBS4 Sports contacted the Broncos for a comment about Monday's discussions, but so far they have not responded.

The Broncos expect Cutler to report to Dove Valley next Monday, when the Broncos begin voluntary offseason workouts.

CBS4 Sports has also learned that Bowlen attempted to contact Cutler twice last week. Both calls went unreturned.

Popps
03-10-2009, 05:12 PM
Oh brother.

Popps
03-10-2009, 05:13 PM
McDaniels reiterated the Broncos position that they have no intention of trading Cutler, but he also made it clear that all players are being constantly evaluated and could be traded if management thinks it will make the team better.

Let me translate that for you, Jay.

College is over, buddy! Welcome to big-boy land!

Sassy
03-10-2009, 05:14 PM
Way to unite the team McD.

Meck77
03-10-2009, 05:14 PM
Here's a pic from Shanny's volunteer workout program last year. Not sure Jay is going to like the new changes next week.

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/2230/camph.jpg (http://img6.imageshack.us/my.php?image=camph.jpg)

Ambiguous
03-10-2009, 05:14 PM
CBS4 Sports has also learned that Bowlen attempted to contact Cutler twice last week. Both calls went unreturned.

Is Jay really that arrogant that he feels he doesn't need to return phone calls to the owner of the team?

Archer81
03-10-2009, 05:14 PM
Come on Jay. Act like an adult.


:Broncos:

theAPAOps5
03-10-2009, 05:14 PM
Yep Cutler isn't to blame...............

theAPAOps5
03-10-2009, 05:15 PM
Way to unite the team McD.

Oh jesus :spit:

How about way to ignore the guy who signs your checks. In the real world he would have been **** canned.

Popps
03-10-2009, 05:16 PM
http://www.225.ca/ivan/nov03/crybaby.jpg

Sassy
03-10-2009, 05:17 PM
Oh jesus :spit:

How about way to ignore the guy who signs your checks. In the real world he would have been **** canned.

I don't know...I think the media blows stuff out of proportion...I don't think either McD or Jay handled things very well.
I still wonder what Bowlen had to say in all of this.

Ambiguous
03-10-2009, 05:17 PM
Indeed.

God why can't this crap stop.

SureShot
03-10-2009, 05:18 PM
Oh jesus :spit:

How about way to ignore the guy who signs your checks. In the real world he would have been **** canned.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I don't return my boss's phone calls when I'm on vacation either.

theAPAOps5
03-10-2009, 05:18 PM
I don't know...I think the media blows stuff out of proportion...I don't think either McD or Jay handled things very well.
I still wonder what Bowlen had to say in all of this.

I agree both are in the wrong. But you don't ignore the owner of the team. They guy who signs your checks. That is just immature.

broncofan7
03-10-2009, 05:18 PM
Oh jesus :spit:

How about way to ignore the guy who signs your checks. In the real world he would have been **** canned.

Very true.........Have we crept into Dallas Cowboys territory or what?

USMCBladerunner
03-10-2009, 05:18 PM
Too bad MCDaniels didn't put it so plainly at the very beginning of his tenure, maybe Cutler wouldn't have gotten so butt-hurt over this, but even so, Cutler is some special kind of spoiled to not even return calls to the owner.

theAPAOps5
03-10-2009, 05:19 PM
I don't know about the rest of you, but I don't return my boss's phone calls when I'm on vacation either.

Do you get more than 2 months off and only have to come in voluntarily for another 4? If so, then you have a point. But I doubt you do.

USMCBladerunner
03-10-2009, 05:19 PM
I still wonder what Bowlen had to say in all of this.

Jay doesn't.

Archer81
03-10-2009, 05:20 PM
*any minute now I will wake up and it will be September...


:Broncos:

worm
03-10-2009, 05:20 PM
I don't know about the rest of you, but I don't return my boss's phone calls when I'm on vacation either.

Me either.

epicSocialism4tw
03-10-2009, 05:20 PM
I agree that Jay needs to mature, but if he was handled like a child by a 32-year old child of a head coach, then its not going to go well.

McD is a fool.

Kaylore
03-10-2009, 05:20 PM
Sources close to the situation tell CBS4 Sports that the tone of the dicussion was not exactly "make nice" as might have been expected. We're told McDaniels made it clear to the quarterback how the team will be run, and how Cutler was expected to fit into that plan. McDaniels reiterated the Broncos position that they have no intention of trading Cutler, but he also made it clear that all players are being constantly evaluated and could be traded if management thinks it will make the team better.

YES!!!!

This guy is awesome!!!!

baja
03-10-2009, 05:21 PM
Cutler-McDaniels Finally Speak, Issues Remain


CBS4 Sports has learned Jay Cutler and the Broncos have finally spoken. It was not face-to-face, but rather by conference call on Monday with Cutler, head coach Josh McDaniels and owner Pat Bowlen among those on the line.

The much awaited discussion was prompted after the now well-publicized events on the first weekend of free agency. The Broncos explored a possible trade that would have sent Cutler out of town for former Patriots backup Matt Cassel. The trade never happened and Cassel eventually ended up in Kansas City. The Broncos denied they initiated any trade talks, but Cutler was certain the team tried to move him.

<b>Sources close to the situation tell CBS4 Sports that the tone of the dicussion was not exactly "make nice" as might have been expected. We're told McDaniels made it clear to the quarterback how the team will be run, and how Cutler was expected to fit into that plan. McDaniels reiterated the Broncos position that they have no intention of trading Cutler, but he also made it clear that all players are being constantly evaluated and could be traded if management thinks it will make the team better.</b>

CBS4 Sports contacted the Broncos for a comment about Monday's discussions, but so far they have not responded.

The Broncos expect Cutler to report to Dove Valley next Monday, when the Broncos begin voluntary offseason workouts.

CBS4 Sports has also learned that Bowlen attempted to contact Cutler twice last week. Both calls went unreturned.

Good, no great this is exactly the way this should have been played. I like this McDaniels guy more and more all the time. Wish he was better informed about the value of Yoga though.

SureShot
03-10-2009, 05:21 PM
Until Bowlen or another team official says he didn't return Pat's phone calls I think it is best to let this play out.

BroncosinDC
03-10-2009, 05:21 PM
Cue Lights, Camera, Drama, **** me!

SoCalBronco
03-10-2009, 05:22 PM
Sources close to the situation tell CBS4 Sports that the tone of the dicussion was not exactly "make nice" as might have been expected. We're told McDaniels made it clear to the quarterback how the team will be run, and how Cutler was expected to fit into that plan. McDaniels reiterated the Broncos position that they have no intention of trading Cutler, but he also made it clear that all players are being constantly evaluated and could be traded if management thinks it will make the team better.



I thought the team was "trying to smooth things over". This is contrary to that. This is probably not the brightest way to go about repairing relations, but it is not surprising given the regime's well established arrogance.
Everyone who said they were "reaching out to him" can pretty much hide now.

Sassy
03-10-2009, 05:22 PM
My boss wouldn't call me when I'm on vacation.

theAPAOps5
03-10-2009, 05:23 PM
Me either.

Do you get the same amount of time off as Sureshot and NFL football players? If not then your point is kind of lacking. :)

frerottenextelway
03-10-2009, 05:23 PM
McDaniels will make a fine OC at some second tier college next year.

Archer81
03-10-2009, 05:23 PM
I agree that Jay needs to mature, but if he was handled like a child by a 32-year old child of a head coach, then its not going to go well.

McD is a fool.



Apparently you missed the part where Bowlen was sitting in on the call, too. Being told how things are by McDaniels doesnt make McDaniels a fool, and not returning two calls from the owner is problematic.


:Broncos:

theAPAOps5
03-10-2009, 05:24 PM
I thought the team was "trying to smooth things over". This is contrary to that. This is probably not the brightest way to go about repairing relations, but it is not surprising given the regime's well established arrogance.
Everyone who said they were "reaching out to him" can pretty much hide now.

Its exactly what the team should have done. Put him on notice. He was acting like this was his team. Its not, he is part of the operation now. My respect for McDaniels shot through the roof when I read what he told our petulant cry baby QB.

Ambiguous
03-10-2009, 05:24 PM
From the little info we have, looks like McDaniels is handling it right now. You don't take bull**** from the players, and Jay is not going to undermine that.

This whole situation is so stupid. It pisses me off the Broncos are paying people to burn calories over this, get over it and focus on the draft/FA for the love of god.

USMCBladerunner
03-10-2009, 05:25 PM
I thought the team was "trying to smooth things over". This is contrary to that. This is probably not the brightest way to go about repairing relations, but it is not surprising given the regime's well established arrogance.
Everyone who said they were "reaching out to him" can pretty much hide now.

oh they were reaching out all right...to yank his bitch ass in line...maybe he can take it maybe he can't, but better than than having to stroke some child's ego for the next 10 years.

frerottenextelway
03-10-2009, 05:25 PM
Do you get more than 2 months off and only have to come in voluntarily for another 4? If so, then you have a point. But I doubt you do.

That's business. That's the contract they signed. Right????

"that's different"

theAPAOps5
03-10-2009, 05:25 PM
McDaniels will make a fine OC at some second tier college next year.

:spit:

You will be on the bandwagon by this time next year.


The difference between your post and mine? Mine is actually realistic.

Archer81
03-10-2009, 05:25 PM
I thought the team was "trying to smooth things over". This is contrary to that. This is probably not the brightest way to go about repairing relations, but it is not surprising given the regime's well established arrogance.
Everyone who said they were "reaching out to him" can pretty much hide now.


Jay ignored the owner. Refused face to face meetings and demanded to be traded. At what point is the player at fault? In your world, never. His bosses told Jay what the deal is, time for him to be the franchise QB everyone thinks he is.


:Broncos:

theAPAOps5
03-10-2009, 05:26 PM
That's business. That's the contract they signed. Right????

"that's different"

Well and this all happened at the start of FA which is the start of the NFL season. So he is technically working in the new season. He damn well better answer his bosses phone call.

baja
03-10-2009, 05:27 PM
I thought the team was "trying to smooth things over". This is contrary to that. This is probably not the brightest way to go about repairing relations, but it is not surprising given the regime's well established arrogance.
Everyone who said they were "reaching out to him" can pretty much hide now.

'Reach out' my ass. Football is a team sport and everyone is subject to being traded or cut at any time. Jay Cutler needs to realize McDaniels is building a team modeled on the one idea that no one player is above the team and you might as well start with the guy that believes that he is the exception. If Cutler does not realize the value of this simple idea than I say trade him now!

UberBroncoMan
03-10-2009, 05:27 PM
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These "issues" better get fixed... I don't care if McDaniels needs to get on his knees. :wiggle:

SoCalBronco
03-10-2009, 05:28 PM
Its exactly what the team should have done. Put him on notice. He was acting like this was his team. Its not, he is part of the operation now. My respect for McDaniels shot through the roof when I read what he told our petulant cry baby QB.

Hopefully McDaniels gets put on notice as well. Jay should come in next week and just work his ass off. Don't make nice with the coaches, don't do anything. Just work hard and prove to them that they were wrong. Everything should be impersonal and professional, only. No smiling, no nothing. Just work. The best way to make them look stupid is to have another awesome. It's also a great way to increase leverage.

BTW, I noticed they leaked more information to smear him. How nice of them.

Kaylore
03-10-2009, 05:28 PM
I don't know...I think the media blows stuff out of proportion...I don't think either McD or Jay handled things very well.
I still wonder what Bowlen had to say in all of this.

He probably said something like "Jay you're my employee. Listen to what your coach I hired has to say."

McDaniels: "No one is special here. Not even you. We're a team and everyone has to carry their share of the load. I'll expect you to be here and to do what I say. Everyone needs to work to make this team better."

Jay: "I don't have to do what you say! You hurt my feelings! You considered trading me like you owned my rights or I was under contract, or something!"

Bowlen: Takes a sip of his whiskey "You are under contract, you dumb ass. You wanna get paid?"

Jay: "...Yes."

Bowlen: "Then quit whining and get in here. We need you to kick some ass on the field!"

Jay: "...but McDaniels said he likes Cassel more than me...."

McDaniels: "That's not true, but its about to be if your not here on Monday. And you better leave your sandy vagina in Nashville."

Jay: "Whatever..."

frerottenextelway
03-10-2009, 05:28 PM
Well and this all happened at the start of FA which is the start of the NFL season. So he is technically working in the new season. He damn well better answer his bosses phone call.

He's under no obligation to do anything on his days off. That's business.

SoCalBronco
03-10-2009, 05:29 PM
'Reach out' my ass. Football is a team sport and everyone is subject to being traded or cut at any time. Jay Cutler needs to realize McDaniels is building a team modeled on the one idea that no one player is above the team and you might as well start with the guy that believes that he is the exception. If Cutler does not realize the value of this simple idea than I say trade him now!

No, he's building a team based on lies, arrogance and stupidity. He lacks common sense, won't admit any mistakes and doesn't know how to smooth things over. He has no people skills. Period.

Meck77
03-10-2009, 05:29 PM
I don't know about the rest of you, but I don't return my boss's phone calls when I'm on vacation either.

I don't know sureshot. In this economy I think more and more people would call their employer back. Especially if you knew the owner was ready to kick your ass to the curb.

montrose
03-10-2009, 05:29 PM
Wow. I gotta say that I love how McDaniels is putting everybody on notice. No more coddling at Dove Valley.

As far as Jay goes, I just get the feeling (nothing substantial to back this up) he wanted out and is using this to get out of town.

Archer81
03-10-2009, 05:30 PM
Hopefully McDaniels gets put on notice as well. Jay should come in next week and just work his ass off. Don't make nice with the coaches, don't do anything. Just work hard and prove to them that they were wrong. Everything should be impersonal and professional, only. No smiling, no nothing. Just work. The best way to make them look stupid is to have another awesome. It's also a great way to increase leverage.

BTW, I noticed they leaked more information to smear him. How nice of them.


I swear its like you and Jay are dating or something.


:Broncos:

theAPAOps5
03-10-2009, 05:30 PM
Hopefully McDaniels gets put on notice as well. Jay should come in next week and just work his ass off. Don't make nice with the coaches, don't do anything. Just work hard and prove to them that they were wrong. Everything should be impersonal and professional, only. No smiling, no nothing. Just work. The best way to make them look stupid is to have another awesome. It's also a great way to increase leverage.

BTW, I noticed they leaked more information to smear him. How nice of them.

You once were a great poster. Now you are an even bigger baby than Jay. CBS4 is Jay Cutlers personal fluffer machine. Lombardi and company usually only take Cutlers penis out of their mouth in time to report news on him. So to me it looks like they leaked it trying to make him look like the victim so saps like yourself eat it up. Hilarious!

frerottenextelway
03-10-2009, 05:31 PM
BTW, I noticed they leaked more information to smear him. How nice of them.

Yep. Honestly, our HC is a slimeball. What kind of insecure bitch would continually leak **** to divide a lockerroom and smear his QB?

Kaylore
03-10-2009, 05:31 PM
Hopefully McDaniels gets put on notice as well. Jay should come in next week and just work his ass off. Don't make nice with the coaches, don't do anything. Just work hard and prove to them that they were wrong. Everything should be impersonal and professional, only. No smiling, no nothing. Just work. The best way to make them look stupid is to have another awesome. It's also a great way to increase leverage.

BTW, I noticed they leaked more information to smear him. How nice of them.

SoCal, I'm surprised at you. Tell me exactly what it is that McDaniels did that Cutler should be so offended about? Talking about trading him? Or is it supposedly lying to him? Either way this isn't the first time this has happened. In baseball it happens pretty much every offseason.

No matter what you think, McDaniels has every right to entertain trade offers for every player on the team. He's under contract and they can do whatever the hell they want. Getting mad is going to accomplish nothing for Cutler. And since nothing happened (they rejected the trade) what's the big deal?

telluride
03-10-2009, 05:31 PM
Is Jay really that arrogant that he feels he doesn't need to return phone calls to the owner of the team?

Yes, that's the most disturbing part of this article.

theAPAOps5
03-10-2009, 05:31 PM
Yep. Honestly, our HC is a slimeball. What kind of insecure b**** would continually leak **** to divide a lockerroom and smear his QB?

You should stick to politics you really suck at football.

Archer81
03-10-2009, 05:32 PM
Yep. Honestly, our HC is a slimeball. What kind of insecure b**** would continually leak **** to divide a lockerroom and smear his QB?



Jesus...are you high?


:Broncos:

BroncosinDC
03-10-2009, 05:32 PM
I think if Jay shows up in some Ostrich boots, and a fur coat, carrying a bottle of scotch, Bowlen will be content to take his side and put McD in his place.

Or maybe Plummer visited Dove Valley to pass on to McD how Bowlen likes ostrich boots.

frerottenextelway
03-10-2009, 05:34 PM
You should stick to politics you really suck at football.

Why are people so incesstant on defending this P.O.S. who's biggest claim to fame is SpyGate and bringing in family and friends to work for him?

SoCalBronco
03-10-2009, 05:34 PM
Yep. Honestly, our HC is a slimeball. What kind of insecure b**** would continually leak **** to divide a lockerroom and smear his QB?

He's a scumbag. But that's what we have and that's what we have to make do with, unfortunately.

UberBroncoMan
03-10-2009, 05:36 PM
Jay ignored the owner. Refused face to face meetings and demanded to be traded. At what point is the player at fault? In your world, never. His bosses told Jay what the deal is, time for him to be the franchise QB everyone thinks he is.


:Broncos:

If you read about leadership fundamentals, it actually tells you to avoid the exact thing McDaniels is doing. You're supposed to establish boarders, but you're also supposed to foster empowerment, friendship and a shared vision. A shared vision among all people within the organization is vital to success. If you want an example of this attitude screwing up an organization look no further than Eric Mangini of the Jets. The majority of the players ended up hating the man and didn't give a crap anymore.

If anything McDaniels has created the Berlin Wall and is telling anyone who doesn't like his authoritarian doctrine and suck it. That's simply not how you gain respect or run a successful business, let alone a team. When he said he was taking the best of Bill Belicheat, I guess he didn't understand what was the best, since he's taken the mans arrogance as well.

Sure McDaniels knows his X's and O's, and has a wealth of football knowledge. But he clearly has no people or leadership skills... which are both as important as X's and O's for a head coach.

TonyR
03-10-2009, 05:36 PM
He's under no obligation to do anything on his days off. That's business.

Any salaried person in a high paying job is ALWAYS on the clock. If you know anyone who makes six figures or more in a corporate job ask them if they would ignore a call from senior management while on vacation.

SonOfLe-loLang
03-10-2009, 05:37 PM
No, he's building a team based on lies, arrogance and stupidity. He lacks common sense, won't admit any mistakes and doesn't know how to smooth things over. He has no people skills. Period.

You have been consistently wrong on this subject.

SoCalBronco
03-10-2009, 05:37 PM
Yes, that's the most disturbing part of this article.

It came from the team, so its inherently subject to doubt because its self serving.

yerner
03-10-2009, 05:38 PM
SoCal, I'm surprised at you. Tell me exactly what it is that McDaniels did that Cutler should be so offended about? Talking about trading him? Or is it supposedly lying to him? Either way this isn't the first time this has happened. In baseball it happens pretty much every offseason.

No matter what you think, McDaniels has every right to entertain trade offers for every player on the team. He's under contract and they can do whatever the hell they want. Getting mad is going to accomplish nothing for Cutler. And since nothing happened (they rejected the trade) what's the big deal?

Yo, i agree with this. But I don't buy the Cutler is just a cry baby bs either. Somewhere Jay feels he got lied to face to face. Man to Man. Which, if its happened to you, is sometimes the end of the relationship. Especially at 25. Or maybe Jay just thinks that mcdaniels is light in the loafers.

This whole thing falls on Bowlen. Why the hell would you hire a coach that wasn't compatible. Terrible.

SonOfLe-loLang
03-10-2009, 05:38 PM
Any salaried person in a high paying job is ALWAYS on the clock. If you know anyone who makes six figures or more in a corporate job ask them if they would ignore a call from senior management while on vacation.

And this isnt just some normal time. Obviously there was an "issue" which cutler knew about. If a manager at a gas plant knew that there was a huge gas leak, but didnt return calls because he was on vacation....would this be acceptable behavior?

worm
03-10-2009, 05:38 PM
I don't know sureshot. In this economy I think more and more people would call their employer back. Especially if you knew the owner was ready to kick your ass to the curb.

Its not like he will be unemployed for long. 1\2 the teams in the league want the whiner, cry-baby QB.

He only has been away from Dove Valley for two weeks. If he really is this bent out of shape...either because of what people close to him are telling him or the trust he feels was violated...I am glad he didn't pick up the phones until everybody calms the hell down.

worm
03-10-2009, 05:39 PM
Any salaried person in a high paying job is ALWAYS on the clock. If you know anyone who makes six figures or more in a corporate job ask them if they would ignore a call from senior management while on vacation.

Absolutely.

theAPAOps5
03-10-2009, 05:39 PM
Why are people so incesstant on defending this P.O.S. who's biggest claim to fame is SpyGate and bringing in family and friends to work for him?

Does Cutler ever let you pitch? So you can feel like a man?

Kaylore
03-10-2009, 05:40 PM
If you read about leadership fundamentals, it actually tells you to avoid the exact thing McDaniels is doing. You're supposed to establish boarders, but you're also supposed to foster empowerment, friendship and a shared vision. A shared vision among all people within the organization is vital to success. If you want an example of this attitude screwing up an organization look no further than Eric Mangini of the Jets. The majority of the players ended up hating the man and didn't give a crap anymore.

If anything McDaniels has created the Berlin Wall and is telling anyone who doesn't like his authoritarian doctrine and suck it. That's simply not how you gain respect or run a successful business, let alone a team. When he said he was taking the best of Bill Belicheat, I guess he didn't understand what was the best, since he's taken the mans arrogance as well.

Sure McDaniels knows his X's and O's, and has a wealth of football knowledge. But he clearly has no people or leadership skills... which are both as important as X's and O's for a head coach.
That's a bunch of crap. Everyone he's talked to, including Brian Dawkins, is drinking the kool aid. They are all "very excited" about what he's bringing in. Media with named and unnamed sources have said people are excited at Dove Valley. I have some people I talk to and they have confirmed the same things, as well as McDaniels' version of what happened. The ONLY person who's butt sore about this guy is Cutler and you guys.

elsid13
03-10-2009, 05:40 PM
What I have learn is that McKid believe My way or the highway approach to management. He better win quickly with that leadership style, because if not folk following him will turn quickly. I now understand why all the Belicheat's assistants fail if they all attempt this approach to leading a team.

baja
03-10-2009, 05:41 PM
<b>No, he's building a team based on lies, arrogance and stupidity. He lacks common sense, won't admit any mistakes and doesn't know how to smooth things over. He has no people skills. Period.

None of your post can be assessed at this time unless you know something that has not been posted here. You have had it in from the guy from day one.

Tell you what So Cal I will bet you 20 bucks (payable to the mane) if at the end on next season that you by your own admission still do not support Mcdaniels. I am betting you will McDaniels' number one fan. Want'a bet?

Kaylore
03-10-2009, 05:41 PM
Yo, i agree with this. But I don't buy the Cutler is just a cry baby bs either. Somewhere Jay feels he got lied to face to face. Man to Man. Which, if its happened to you, is sometimes the end of the relationship. Especially at 25. Or maybe Jay just thinks that mcdaniels is light in the loafers.

This whole thing falls on Bowlen. Why the hell would you hire a coach that wasn't compatible. Terrible.
Honestly I think it's a power play. I don't think Cutler is offended, I think he is pulling this because he doesn't want to cow-tow to McDaniels.

broncogary
03-10-2009, 05:43 PM
It came from the team, so its inherently subject to doubt because its self serving.

Where's the other three paragraphs? :wiggle:

Kaylore
03-10-2009, 05:43 PM
What I have learn is that McKid believe My way or the highway approach to management. He better win quickly with that leadership style
Is there a leadership style in football where not winning quickly is allowed?

By the way, the Falcons and Dolphins adopted this style of coaching themselves.

UberBroncoMan
03-10-2009, 05:43 PM
CBS4 Sports has also learned that Bowlen attempted to contact Cutler twice last week. Both calls went unreturned.

I will say though that Jay was a ****ing idiot for doing this. You don't turn your head on the freaking owner. That's the single guy you want on your side.

Dagmar
03-10-2009, 05:43 PM
Is it just me or has the events since late December divided this place like no other? Things are tense!

Personally, I ride the fence.

I agree that no one should run this team but the coach... and our QB is paid MILLIONS by a guy who he won't even pick up the phone from? But McDaniels is on notice too, if we have a horrible season with or without Jay then people will point to the last 2 weeks and call of McDaniels head.

Popps
03-10-2009, 05:44 PM
He probably said something like "Jay you're my employee. Listen to what your coach I hired has to say."

McDaniels: "No one is special here. Not even you. We're a team and everyone has to carry their share of the load. I'll expect you to be here and to do what I say. Everyone needs to work to make this team better."

Jay: "I don't have to do what you say! You hurt my feelings! You considered trading me like you owned my rights or I was under contract, or something!"

Bowlen: Takes a sip of his whiskey "You are under contract, you dumb ass. You wanna get paid?"

Jay: "...Yes."

Bowlen: "Then quit whining and get in here. We need you to kick some ass on the field!"

Jay: "...but McDaniels said he likes Cassel more than me...."

McDaniels: "That's not true, but its about to be if your not here on Monday. And you better leave your sandy vagina in Nashville."

Jay: "Whatever..."



Hilarious!

Inkana7
03-10-2009, 05:44 PM
Good for McDaniels. This just re-affirms my like of him.

Popps
03-10-2009, 05:45 PM
Is there a leadership style in football where not winning quickly is allowed?


Only if you're in Kansas City.

TonyR
03-10-2009, 05:45 PM
Absolutely.

Absolutely you don't know anyone in a well compensated corporate job? Because it's apparent that you don't if you really think people ignore calls from senior management. That's just stupid. Let me say it again: a salaried person may not always be in the office or on the job, but is ALWAYS on the clock.

jayman_37
03-10-2009, 05:45 PM
honestly, I was all about Cutler and thinking it was McDaniels fault, but how can you possibly not see some fault in Cutler for not calling Bowlen back? I still like Cutler and I think he is a good quarterback, but come on.

The Joker
03-10-2009, 05:45 PM
Honestly wish the proposed Lions trade had gone through at this point.

Can't believe I'm saying that, I really can't.

I think the world of Cutler's potential but at the moment he's just that, potential. Not all potential gets realised, and if the guy honestly can't come to grips with and deal with what should be a minor event then I'm not sure he's got the mental capacity to become the QB we all hope he could.

Really like the way McDaniels is handling this if what they've stated is true. Don't pander to the pouting little girl, tell him whose in charge and how things are going to go.

Rock Chalk
03-10-2009, 05:46 PM
I don't know about the rest of you, but I don't return my boss's phone calls when I'm on vacation either.

If you think you might be getting fired and your boss calls while you are on vacation you wouldnt return his phone call?

Good luck with that.

baja
03-10-2009, 05:47 PM
It came from the team, so its inherently subject to doubt because its self serving.

Dude you support Richard Nixon in your sig and you are angry that McDaniels might have lied.

zdoor
03-10-2009, 05:47 PM
No, he's building a team based on lies, arrogance and stupidity. He lacks common sense, won't admit any mistakes and doesn't know how to smooth things over. He has no people skills. Period.

Your way off...

Popps
03-10-2009, 05:48 PM
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that those in favor of Jay sulking in his room with the door locked are going to start thinning out around here. Every day since this has emerged, it looks more and more like there just may have been SOME reason McDaniel even considered moving Cutler.

But, I said that from the get-go. People just want to assume he's an idiot, when the real truth is... he was the hottest coaching prospect out there for a reason, and he's seen BOTH of these QBs up close and personal.

From the day I heard this, I've been trying to make this case. There just may simply be things about Cutler that we, as fans don't see with 100% clarity. I've been leery about some of his personality issues and the mere fact that he was CONSIDERED for a trade makes me wonder if others inside the organization don't share those concerns.

UberBroncoMan
03-10-2009, 05:48 PM
That's a bunch of crap. Everyone he's talked to, including Brian Dawkins, is drinking the kool aid. They are all "very excited" about what he's bringing in. Media with named and unnamed sources have said people are excited at Dove Valley. I have some people I talk to and they have confirmed the same things, as well as McDaniels' version of what happened. The ONLY person who's butt sore about this guy is Cutler and you guys.

We'll all know what's crap or not by mid-season. I'm just stating my beliefs based on my observations of this situation. It's not hard to hype people up and make them feel wanted, and then do the complete opposite to others. People can be two-sided you know. Think of a girl that says she loves you and then screws around behind your back/lies to you. Eventually you'll find out and hate her.

Archer81
03-10-2009, 05:49 PM
I am starting to think its a powerplay, too. Jay wants to see how much leash Bowlen will give him before he comes down on McDaniels to give Jay a break.


:Broncos:

montrose
03-10-2009, 05:49 PM
Dude you support Richard Nixon in your sig and you are angry that McDaniels might have lied.

ROFL!

elsid13
03-10-2009, 05:49 PM
Is there a leadership style in football where not winning quickly is allowed?

By the way, the Falcons and Dolphins adopted this style of coaching themselves.

Yes there is. When a team like the titans that are salary cap hell are allowed to get their stuff in order to rebuild the team for playoff run.

zdoor
03-10-2009, 05:50 PM
I'm liking the guy more and more.

theAPAOps5
03-10-2009, 05:50 PM
We'll all know what's crap or not by mid-season. I'm just stating my beliefs based on my observations of this situation. It's not hard to hype people up and make them feel wanted, and then do the complete opposite to others. People can be two-sided you know. Think of a girl that says she loves you and then screws around behind your back/lies to you. Eventually you'll find out and hate her.

With what you have for your Avitar title I don't think your perspective is quite that unbiased.

SoCalBronco
03-10-2009, 05:51 PM
Dude you support Richard Nixon in your sig and you are angry that McDaniels might have lied.

I don't care that he lied in the abstract. What I care about is that his lie is having the effect of alienating the QB and that admitting he did so would go a long way to helping to cure his own **** up.

TonyR
03-10-2009, 05:53 PM
Every day since this has emerged, it looks more and more like there just may have been SOME reason McDaniel even considered moving Cutler.


Yep, this offseason may be confirming our worst fears about Jay. We've seen signs and heard anecdotal evidence about his immaturity and attitude before and now his words and actions the past few weeks have certainly done nothing to dispel the negative rumors about him. Let's hope this is all much ado about nothing but I have a nagging feeling that it isn't.

Florida_Bronco
03-10-2009, 05:54 PM
Didn't it come out that Vic Lombardi was basically bull****ting about supposed "inside info" during this fiasco? Doesn't Lombardi work for CBS4?

I think I'll wait til I hear from Schefter or someone else a little more reliable.

UberBroncoMan
03-10-2009, 05:54 PM
With what you have for your Avitar title I don't think your perspective is quite that unbiased.

I just changed it back to that from "Soon the storm shall pass" :strong:

I did hammer Jay earlier in this thread though. I want to see McDaniels earn the long-term respect of the locker room. It's not super hard to create hype and get an entire audience of people in love with you for a short period of time... hell politicians do it. It's showing through actions, and keeping that respect in the long term that will define if McDaniels is a good head coach or not. As I said, I'll wait till next season... I don't mind giving him props if he turns out to be a good coach, but at the moment I think he's handled this situation poorly.

epicSocialism4tw
03-10-2009, 05:54 PM
Yo, i agree with this. But I don't buy the Cutler is just a cry baby bs either. Somewhere Jay feels he got lied to face to face. Man to Man. Which, if its happened to you, is sometimes the end of the relationship. Especially at 25. Or maybe Jay just thinks that mcdaniels is light in the loafers.

This whole thing falls on Bowlen. Why the hell would you hire a coach that wasn't compatible. Terrible.


I think that Cutler probably met with McD prior to this whole situation and got rubbed the wrong way in that meeting.

I dont blame Cutler for not wanting to give up his vacation time to go to Dove Valley because the ownership and the new coach are flubbing this thing up.

Archer81
03-10-2009, 05:54 PM
I dont think McDaniels lied. I think Cutler is being oversensitive, and this is what happens when you have two men with big egos who are both young enough to keep this stupid hate/hate thing going. Jay needs to realize McDaniels will make him a better quarterback, and McDaniels needs to remember a franchise QB is not sitting on every NFL roster.

:Broncos:

Pseudofool
03-10-2009, 05:56 PM
A bad outcome in Denver is bad news for Jay Cutler too. Once the season starts, I imagine Cutler will fall in line and McD and Jay will get along swimmingly.

Merlin
03-10-2009, 05:56 PM
Tell me exactly what it is that McDaniels did that Cutler should be so offended about?
What has MacD done to prove he deserves all the man love going on in this forum? Cutler has done some things wrong, but MacD has proven to be a total idiot from the perspective of handling the media and players. Whether you want be a hard ass or a player's coach, you still have to know how to handle them, so far MacD has shown NOTHING that indicates he knows how to handle them (and has certainly proven incompetent in his handling of the media).

Now as to doing everything to improve the team...where do you guys get the idea that he has proven anything. He has only brought in 1 player above avg, and overpaid for LS. Now lets consider the latter he gets a LS in free agency when that is one of the areas of strength in the team...why in gods green earth would a HC do this? Because he wants his guys, not necessarily the players or moves that are best for the team. That is why any justification of the attempted Cassel trade just reeks of self-serving after the fact justification, which in fact points to incompetence and fear of inability to manage in his part. But I digress, please continue swinging from his jock, he might be offended if you stop.

PS What has MacD accomplished as HC to date? Therefore there is no reason to drink that kool-aid and we can only judge him on his off-field actions which have been at best questionable and at worst incompetent.

PPS But SoCal we are Bronco fans and we would be far better served with MacD learning his lesson (and Cutler) and going out and playing. Players don't need to like their coach, just respect them...and hopefully MacD will be a good enough coach to warrant respect and the adulation far too many are willing to give him without a game under his tenure.

yerner
03-10-2009, 05:56 PM
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that those in favor of Jay sulking in his room with the door locked are going to start thinning out around here. Every day since this has emerged, it looks more and more like there just may have been SOME reason McDaniel even considered moving Cutler.

But, I said that from the get-go. People just want to assume he's an idiot, when the real truth is... he was the hottest coaching prospect out there for a reason, and he's seen BOTH of these QBs up close and personal.

From the day I heard this, I've been trying to make this case. There just may simply be things about Cutler that we, as fans don't see with 100% clarity. I've been leery about some of his personality issues and the mere fact that he was CONSIDERED for a trade makes me wonder if others inside the organization don't share those concerns.

I going to go out on a limb and say you've broken a rib or two trying to suck your own cock while reading your own posts...

montrose
03-10-2009, 06:04 PM
Think Detroit would be interested in #1 and #20 for Jay straight up?

vancejohnson82
03-10-2009, 06:04 PM
i was middling somewhere in the gray area on this for quite some time...

now I could care less if Cutler shows up or not...if we get to a point in the season where he is throwing picks and heading to the bench with that "oh well" face on or he tosses his helmet on the sideline after we dont go for it on a fourth down, I'll absolutely lose it

thats where i see this going this year...he seems like that type of player now

SoCalBronco
03-10-2009, 06:04 PM
PPS But SoCal we are Bronco fans and we would be far better served with MacD learning his lesson (and Cutler) and going out and playing. Players don't need to like their coach, just respect them...and hopefully MacD will be a good enough coach to warrant respect and the adulation far too many are willing to give him without a game under his tenure.

I agree that he should go out and play and work hard. I've said numerous times the best way for Jay to shove this in McD's face is to go out and have another awesome season. Even better than last year. And he should not get drunk on the weekends. The team will probably be doing some more investigational stuff on him so that they can leak it when more controversy arises as it is a good "look over there" technique. I have to give them props for that. They're doing a good job of taking people's eyes off the ball with smear. Jay will know that this will continue, so not only does he have to be awesome on the field, he has to be awesome off the field and he hasn't been awesome off the field. He needs to have a big time year again. If he goes out and throws for 30 TDs and continues to show that he's an indispensable part of this team, McD's political power will be reduced and he WON'T be able to trade Jay even if he wants to. The best way to keep increasing your juice inside the building is to keep playing awesome. He's got to get to the point where even Bowlen realizes that Cutler is MORE IMPORTANT than McDaniels. This should be obvious, but its apparently not, although alcohol can do that to you, it can certainly impair your senses. He's got to make it really clear in 2009 with his play. If he does that, he then will be able to tell McD to **** off whenever McD tries an intimidation tactic as he apparently tried today.

Taco John
03-10-2009, 06:12 PM
Any salaried person in a high paying job is ALWAYS on the clock. If you know anyone who makes six figures or more in a corporate job ask them if they would ignore a call from senior management while on vacation.

I actually know a lot of people in the six figure range who would ignore a call from senior management while on vacation. It's actually not that uncommon these days.

The Joker
03-10-2009, 06:13 PM
Think Detroit would be interested in #1 and #20 for Jay straight up?

If they're planning on taking Stafford with the first pick, then I think so.

Cutler is less risky. At least you know he'll not be a total bust, whereas Stafford is a complete unknown.

frerottenextelway
03-10-2009, 06:13 PM
but how can you possibly not see some fault in Cutler for not calling Bowlen back?

And who exactly do you think leaked that? What kind of asshole would leak that to smear their QB?

And who knows if what McD is leaking is even true, he's a complete piece of **** with no credibility.

I swear this feels like a Major League scenario, where in 2 years this team will be in Los Angeles.

Popps
03-10-2009, 06:15 PM
He's a scumbag. But that's what we have and that's what we have to make do with, unfortunately.

Scumbag?

:rofl:

Dude, he didn't try to trade DJ Williams, you know.


Good lord. Scumbag. ::)

I love the drama. This place is like watching the Lifetime Network.

montrose
03-10-2009, 06:17 PM
I love the drama. This place is like watching the Lifetime Network.

Imagine what it will be like if Jay doesn't report next week.

Inkana7
03-10-2009, 06:17 PM
Scumbag?

:rofl:

Dude, he didn't try to trade DJ Williams, you know.


Good lord. Scumbag. ::)

I love the drama. This place is like watching the Lifetime Network.

I don't think Jay Cutler's own mother would react to this in the sandy vagina-manner that SoCal has.

Popps
03-10-2009, 06:17 PM
I actually know a lot of people in the six figure range who would ignore a call from senior management while on vacation. It's actually not that uncommon these days.

I'd gladly take a call from my employer on vacation. So, don't include me in that bunch. In fact, I'd say it's uncommon from those I work with.

Then again, most of us have good, professional relationships with our employers.

SoCalBronco
03-10-2009, 06:18 PM
I don't think Jay Cutler's own mother would react to this in the sandy vagina-manner that SoCal has.

Yawn. Feel free to put me on Ignore. I would prefer that, actually.

Popps
03-10-2009, 06:19 PM
Imagine what it will be like if Jay doesn't report next week.

As I've said, I sincerely hope we work this out. Jay is talented, even if not the most likable guy. It's best for our team that this is worked out.

But, the ONE consolation prize would be the melt-down around here.

The Gutless might get a run for its money.

Inkana7
03-10-2009, 06:19 PM
Yawn. Feel free to put me on Ignore. I would prefer that, actually.

On noes, what a put down.

The quote feature makes the ignore feature irrelevant.

Br0nc0Buster
03-10-2009, 06:20 PM
Scumbag?

:rofl:

Dude, he didn't try to trade DJ Williams, you know.


Good lord. Scumbag. ::)

I love the drama. This place is like watching the Lifetime Network.

Yes Im sure they will make a "Lifetime Original" about it

It will be after "The Mary Elizabeth Harris story: a heartbreaking tale of a woman who gets beat by her husband"

watermock
03-10-2009, 06:21 PM
Cutler will be playing for Jeff Fisher within 2 years.

vancejohnson82
03-10-2009, 06:21 PM
I actually know a lot of people in the six figure range who would ignore a call from senior management while on vacation. It's actually not that uncommon these days.

someone might initially ignore the call....but wouldnt just let two go by with no regard....

comparing Jay to us "normal" people is fair...after all, hasn't everyone's boss said to them, "you are completely safe here, you will always have a job here and no matter what you do we wont get rid of you.."

vancejohnson82
03-10-2009, 06:23 PM
As I've said, I sincerely hope we work this out. Jay is talented, even if not the most likable guy. It's best for our team that this is worked out.

But, the ONE consolation prize would be the melt-down around here.

The Gutless might get a run for its money.

im actually already very prepared for this to happen....

theAPAOps5
03-10-2009, 06:24 PM
Yawn. Feel free to put me on Ignore. I would prefer that, actually.

You can't put a mod on ignore, trust me many people would prefer to do that than listen to your constant cutler impression.

frerottenextelway
03-10-2009, 06:25 PM
As I've said, I sincerely hope we work this out. Jay is talented, even if not the most likable guy. It's best for our team that this is worked out.

But, the ONE consolation prize would be the melt-down around here.

The Gutless might get a run for its money.

One downfall is the Denver locals will have to deal with blackouts again (which would almost be a guarentee).

And fans having paperbags on their heads.

Gcver2ver3
03-10-2009, 06:25 PM
Think Detroit would be interested in #1 and #20 for Jay straight up?

i'd do that deal all day long and twice on sunday...

tsiguy96
03-10-2009, 06:27 PM
about time someone let cutler know how the NFL works...

Popps
03-10-2009, 06:28 PM
I going to go out on a limb and say you've broken a rib or two trying to suck your own cock while reading your own posts...

Wow, I'm trying to think if you've ever posted anything on this forum that didn't involve gay sex. You talk about it almost non-stop.

Honestly, calling someone gay is about as boring of forum smack as it gets, but you really do obsess over it.... talking about Jim Rome's "dick duster" or calling the forum "gay" for Hillis, "because he's white." (That was an epic contribution.)

Honestly, kid ... I challenge you to go 10 posts without mentioning male genitalia.

Popps
03-10-2009, 06:28 PM
One downfall is the Denver locals will have to deal with blackouts again (which would almost be a guarentee).

And fans having paperbags on their heads.

Nah.

Not all Broncos fans are total pussies.

Broncos dude
03-10-2009, 06:29 PM
Just calm down and Cutler will get over his aggravation. Things will be all good come Training camp

watermock
03-10-2009, 06:29 PM
I thought the team was "trying to smooth things over". This is contrary to that. This is probably not the brightest way to go about repairing relations, but it is not surprising given the regime's well established arrogance.
Everyone who said they were "reaching out to him" can pretty much hide now.

Did the mountain come to Moses?

Bowlen should go to tenn and explain the potential trade. cassell, #1, #20 shows we were not going to just give him away, if that is correct.

McDummy's comments indicate Jay is still on the block.

theAPAOps5
03-10-2009, 06:30 PM
Nah.

Not all Broncos fans are total pussies.

QFT he might follow his boyfriend Cutler if he gets traded but Denver fans are a lot smarter than that.

Gcver2ver3
03-10-2009, 06:34 PM
Wow, I'm trying to think if you've ever posted anything on this forum that didn't involve gay sex. You talk about it almost non-stop.

Honestly, kid ... I challenge you to go 10 posts without mentioning male genitalia.

....:rofl:

GreatBronco16
03-10-2009, 06:35 PM
I'd be willing to bet that Jay is on the phone with Shanny and Shanny is telling him to keep on keeping on and one day they will be reunited.

colonelbeef
03-10-2009, 06:37 PM
The only people who think Jay has no reason to be pissed off or distrust McDaniels in this situation are either

a)people with a personal axe to grind with the organization or Jay personally

or

b)fans who are simply unwilling to acknowledge the possibility that firing Shanahan was a ****up, or hiring McDaniels was an even bigger ****up


Everyone outside of Denver thinks McDaniels completely created this stupid situation on his own and that he is in the wrong, even though Jay is clearly in need of some maturity.

Broncoman13
03-10-2009, 06:40 PM
Wow. I gotta say that I love how McDaniels is putting everybody on notice. No more coddling at Dove Valley.

As far as Jay goes, I just get the feeling (nothing substantial to back this up) he wanted out and is using this to get out of town.

I think this is exactly what is going on. I think Jay is butt hurt and is going to "make" the Broncos carry thru with what they attempted to do at the start of free agency. Too bad the trade didn't go through b/c now we are F'd. As a fan of the Broncos, this sucks. Whether you like Cutler or McD or Bowlen or Shanahan... take the personalities out of this and tell me what you think of the Broncos current state!?! We have a good QB that has undeniable skills. Everyone in America knows now that he's going to dog it and try to alienate himself enough to get the Broncos to just get him out of Dove Valley. So, for our once proud franchise we are quickly being put into a position of having to accept crap in return for our marquee offensive player and there isn't a better option to replace him to boot. Again, it doesn't matter who the people involved are. Think about this from the perspective of our team going forward. This could be "Dubya's" fault for all I care, the bottom line is it WILL affect my Broncos in the immediate future and could do so for quite some time.

Mark my words, we're going to send Cutler to a team for a late 1st/early 2nd round pick and even if we don't we're now put into the box of having to consider a QB early in this year's draft when we have a ton of other needs. I'm not happy with our team putting themselves into this position. Arrogance, ineptitude, naivety, whatever you want to call it, WE ARE IN A BAD SPOT RIGHT NOW! Two weeks ago Cutler was worth a lot to a number of franchises in the NFL. Right now he is worth less and less with each passing day. That affects my favorite team...PERIOD!

lex
03-10-2009, 06:41 PM
oh they were reaching out all right...to yank his b**** ass in line...maybe he can take it maybe he can't, but better than than having to stroke some child's ego for the next 10 years.

McDaniels or Cutler?

Steve Prefontaine
03-10-2009, 06:43 PM
Can someone post the text from Jay's press conference or interview? I want to see what he said regarding the situation.

And wtf are you guys talking about you have to pick up or return calls from your boss or senior level management while you are on vacation? It's a ridiculous blanket statement. Every situation is different.

Broncoman13
03-10-2009, 06:44 PM
I actually know a lot of people in the six figure range who would ignore a call from senior management while on vacation. It's actually not that uncommon these days.

My messages on my Outlook out of office auto reply and voice mail always say the same thing when I go on leave. When I'm on leave I'm in the mountains and I don't get NO SERVICE. I won't be able to return calls or emails until xxx.

tsiguy96
03-10-2009, 06:52 PM
Everyone outside of Denver thinks McDaniels completely created this stupid situation on his own and that he is in the wrong, even though Jay is clearly in need of some maturity.

whats funny is that not a single person outside of denver agrees with you. nfl network, espn, guys on sirius radio, even shannon sharpe agrees this is a business and a team sport, no one person is above the team, not even jay cutler.

Broncojef
03-10-2009, 06:57 PM
I'd be willing to bet that Jay is on the phone with Shanny and Shanny is telling him to keep on keeping on and one day they will be reunited.

I think Shanny smiled a bit inside when he got fired knowing someone else would have to put up with jay's whiney ass. Shanny is the one guy probably really feeling good, no football worries or personnel decisions and Jay is someone elses issue.

oubronco
03-10-2009, 07:00 PM
what do you expect Cutler to do when your coach says right off the bat "Noone is untradeable" I mean if he was trying to resolve this thats probably not the best way to communicate with a disgruntled QB. JMO

lex
03-10-2009, 07:01 PM
I will say though that Jay was a ****ing idiot for doing this. You don't turn your head on the freaking owner. That's the single guy you want on your side.


Yeah, like no one is interested in having Cutler on their team. And actually, if there is anyone who should be worried about anything, Bowlen shoud be worried about fumbling the fanbase. If he fumbles the sellout streak and if there continues to be overwhelming negativity about this team, its going to be hard for him to get acknowledgment as this great owner.

Broncojef
03-10-2009, 07:02 PM
Can someone post the text from Jay's press conference or interview? I want to see what he said regarding the situation.

And wtf are you guys talking about you have to pick up or return calls from your boss or senior level management while you are on vacation? It's a ridiculous blanket statement. Every situation is different.

Most of the people unwilling to talk when the boss calls such as in Jay's position find themselves wondering why they never get promoted and bitching (like Jay) when they don't get the big raise. How people deal with management and ownership says alot about where they are going within the organization. If I was close to firing a guy over stupid crap he's pulling and he didn't return my call he'd get axed. Nice to see the tone was telling Jay who is in charge he's probably never had a real job or a real boss before just people kissing his ass no matter how stupid he acted. Hopefully Detroit is on speed dial.

Tombstone RJ
03-10-2009, 07:02 PM
Cutler is an idiot for not communicating with Bowlen. And, who cares if he's "on vacation" what the hell does that mean any way?

He ain't on fuggin vacation in fuggin NASHVILLE.

Get a fuggin clue people.

Jay is being a pansy azz biotch and I was Bowlen, I'd read him the riot act. The hell with McD, I'd be on him like stink on schit.

theAPAOps5
03-10-2009, 07:04 PM
I hope McDaniels takes this latest baby act and demotes Cutler to #2 under Chris Simms and says my starting QB needs to be mature, smart, and poised. Mr. Cutler you aren't close to that. Once you prove to me then you are worthy of starter status.

:)

oubronco
03-10-2009, 07:09 PM
I hope McDaniels takes this latest baby act and demotes Cutler to #2 under Chris Simms and says my starting QB needs to be mature, smart, and poised. Mr. Cutler you aren't close to that. Once you prove to me then you are worthy of starter status.

:)

if he were to do that it would not end well for either parties

theAPAOps5
03-10-2009, 07:11 PM
if he were to do that it would not end well for either parties

No it wouldn't you are right. But I would understand why he did it.

Gcver2ver3
03-10-2009, 07:12 PM
i say trade em...

Bob's your Information Minister
03-10-2009, 07:13 PM
You know it's bad when there's a press release because the team spoke to the starting quarterback.

BREAKING NEWS! CUTLER HAS SPOKEN TO THE BRONCOS IN RETURN! STAY TUNED FOR A POTENTIAL REPLY!

Broncoman13
03-10-2009, 07:13 PM
I hope McDaniels takes this latest baby act and demotes Cutler to #2 under Chris Simms and says my starting QB needs to be mature, smart, and poised. Mr. Cutler you aren't close to that. Once you prove to me then you are worthy of starter status.

:)


Yes b/c setting that example is what we need to add value to Jay Cutler so that we can at least get something good for the future out of this...saga.

Jay can't stay here at this point. The Broncos better be taking and bouncing deals off of other franchises b/c this has the potential to really sting if we have to draft a QB early with all our other pressing needs!

theAPAOps5
03-10-2009, 07:15 PM
Yes b/c setting that example is what we need to add value to Jay Cutler so that we can at least get something good for the future out of this...saga.

Jay can't stay here at this point. The Broncos better be taking and bouncing deals off of other franchises b/c this has the potential to really sting if we have to draft a QB early with all our other pressing needs!

If he can't handle being just another part of the team then yes he should go.

DeusExManning
03-10-2009, 07:16 PM
Per Mike Klis Cutler went into the meeting expecting everything to be resolved but Mcdaniels left the impression he would be traded.

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According to an NFL source, the call left the quarterback believing that if the Broncos find the right deal, he will be traded between now and the NFL draft that begins on April 25.
Cutler was in Nashville when the call was placed. He was accompanied on the call by his agent Bus Cook. Broncos owner Pat Bowlen and general manager Brian Xanders also were part of the call.
Cutler has been irked since learning McDaniels tried to trade him to Tampa Bay nearly two weeks ago in a proposed deal that would have brought New England quarterback Matt Cassel.
McDaniels said he merely received calls on Cutler from other teams and
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According to the source, Cutler has not yet decided whether he will report Monday.

Boobs McGee
03-10-2009, 07:18 PM
I've been quietly reading through all of the threads, and it's about time to get this all off my chest, so apologies in advance for the venting, non-sensical homerism, and general hoo ha. Here we go.

For EVERYONE ON THIS BOARD that feels slighted/dejected/angered/distraught/emotionally wounded by the recent weeks' events, take a little lesson from the man who was our Beloved and Respected General for the last 14 years :

Bowlen repeatedly has said Shanahan can remain as Broncos coach as long as he wants, but the coach does not claim immunity as part of his contract.
“You can’t be so silly to think there’s job security,” he said. “There’s nobody in any organization that’s not expendable, and I understand that.”
Shanahan said ownership needs to feel that the organization is going in the right direction and that the coach is giving it the best opportunity to win.
“If not, they’ll go in a different direction.”

SO,
Jay Cutler ,as much as I believe in his potential and god given ability, and all of the people out here defending his extremely childish reaction to an everyseason NFL occurance (the possiblity of being traded), NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT NO ONE IS SAFE! Not our precious Champ Bailey. Jay Cutler. Eddie Royal. Peyton Hillis. Nobody. The duty of the owner and whomever he deems fit to lead us into battle, is to give us our absolute BEST shot at winning.

NOW

Why is this such a hard concept for people to wrap their heads around?
Human nature is definitely playing quite a large factor here, and I completely understand that. Everyone's afraid of the unknown.
BUT, WE'RE MEDIOCRE! !!!!!!! !!!!!!!! WE'VE TASTED POST SEASON VICTORY ONCE IN THE LAST TEN YEARS!!!!!

To the people so vehemently set on burning our new coach at the stake, how bout we have a little faith in an owner that's brought us 5 super bowl appearances, 2 rings, 7 division championships and 5 Conference championships!

YES, Josh is making some fairly aggressive moves, and he could've been a bit more tactful in his media dealings...but THAT is our newly appointed leader. Like it or not he's the one that's putting all of our eggs into the big hopeful basket, and we need to get behind him.

Am I a McDaniel lover?

NOT YET

But I'm a ****ing Bronco fan and dammit I'm sick of watching everyone else but us in the playoffs.

OBVIOUSLY, the direction our fine organization has taken is not exactly winning hearts OR games, so why not hope for the possibility of a brilliant new start?

Jay Cutler, quit being a ****ing Baby.

Josh McDaniels, show us what you've got.

MANERS....FOCUS ALL OF THIS NEGATIVE ENERGY INTO A NEW DIRECTION.

I don't profess to have anything CLOSE to the amount of football knowledge 90% of the usual posters on here have, but this is where I come to read and learn about the best sport on earth.

Instead of bitching about he said she said bull****, CREATE MORE INSIGHTFUL THREADS ON WHO WE'RE GOING TO BE UTILIZING IN A NEW 3-4!

Instead of second guessing a jaded media outlets pathetic attempts at journalism (yes burger, I'm talking about you), TELL ME IN GREAT DETAIL WHAT KIND OF OFFSEASON WORKOUTS DUMERVIL IS ENGAGING IN TO GET HIS OUTSIDE RUSH SPEED UP TO PAR!

****

whine whine whine bitch bitch bitch.

We're WINNERS dammit, and all of the craziness that IS our beloved Bronco country right now is the closest thing I've felt to a revitalized organization in a long time.

so LETS. GO. BRONCOS.

and please jay, shut your mouth and go to work





aaaaaaaaaaaaand I'm spent.

discuss :D

Archer81
03-10-2009, 07:19 PM
...the drama that never ends, just goes on and on my friends...

Seems to me Jay and Josh are trying to figure out who the man is in this relationship.

:Broncos:

Miss I.
03-10-2009, 07:21 PM
My take for what its worth.
1. Ideally, the trade options should have been mentioned to Jay before he heard about it from elsewhere. That said, I tend to think the Patriots approached us and not the other way around. I think he turned them down. I think they would have been the only option he would've considered to be honest, but who really knows.
2. Jay needs to stop expressing his feelings to the press. No comment works. Then go work it out with the coach and ask what the situation is, be a real team player. His anger may be justified, but his reactions and venting to the press are not acceptable in a highly paid professional. I get frustrated at my job, sometimes reasonably and sometimes not and do my best to vent internally within my team rather then to customers or something.
3. The internal workings of the team should remain internal with the end results being what gets publicized (this reminds me so much of the Brett Favre-Green Bay nonsense of last year).

I hope Jay stays, I hope he learns some discretion when talking to the press. I hope McD and he work out their relationship with each other and the team. I don't know if they will, but that is my hope.

theAPAOps5
03-10-2009, 07:23 PM
So McDaniels tells Cutler what he expects and Cutler thinks he will be traded. Right, thats the way to handle things Jay. Maybe you should talk to your boss before flipping out.

I think its BS that Cutler is leaking info to make the team look bad because he wants out. I say demote his ass to #3 behind Hackney, draft a a QB and let his drunk ass sit on the bench.

zdoor
03-10-2009, 07:25 PM
I think this is exactly what is going on. I think Jay is butt hurt and is going to "make" the Broncos carry thru with what they attempted to do at the start of free agency. Too bad the trade didn't go through b/c now we are F'd. As a fan of the Broncos, this sucks. Whether you like Cutler or McD or Bowlen or Shanahan... take the personalities out of this and tell me what you think of the Broncos current state!?! We have a good QB that has undeniable skills. Everyone in America knows now that he's going to dog it and try to alienate himself enough to get the Broncos to just get him out of Dove Valley. So, for our once proud franchise we are quickly being put into a position of having to accept crap in return for our marquee offensive player and there isn't a better option to replace him to boot. Again, it doesn't matter who the people involved are. Think about this from the perspective of our team going forward. This could be "Dubya's" fault for all I care, the bottom line is it WILL affect my Broncos in the immediate future and could do so for quite some time.

Mark my words, we're going to send Cutler to a team for a late 1st/early 2nd round pick and even if we don't we're now put into the box of having to consider a QB early in this year's draft when we have a ton of other needs. I'm not happy with our team putting themselves into this position. Arrogance, ineptitude, naivety, whatever you want to call it, WE ARE IN A BAD SPOT RIGHT NOW! Two weeks ago Cutler was worth a lot to a number of franchises in the NFL. Right now he is worth less and less with each passing day. That affects my favorite team...PERIOD!

I don't think Cutlers getting traded but there would still be at least five teams trying to acquire him via trade and that would keep his value pretty high IMHO...

Garcia Bronco
03-10-2009, 07:25 PM
Good for Jay. He's the most important person on the team, and obviously he has information that the team tried to trade him. I believe him. Make the coach and owner earn your respect, Jay. McDaniels is a dumbass and Bowlen is getting what he deserves.

theAPAOps5
03-10-2009, 07:26 PM
Good for Jay. He's the most important person on the team, and obviously he has information that the team tried to trade him. I believe him. Make the coach and owner earn your respect, Jay.

:spit:

Pathetic.

Broncojef
03-10-2009, 07:28 PM
Burger Bill-
After a contentious conference call between quarterback Jay Cutler and the Denver Broncos' brass on Monday, the situation has gone "from bad to worse", according to a source close to the situation.

The call was supposed to be a meeting of the minds between Cutler and the Broncos' brass, in particular new head coach Josh McDaniels. The two got sideways Feb. 28 when word broke that McDaniels, the former New England offensive coordinator who replaced Mike Shanahan after 14 seasons, engaged in discussions about acquiring Matt Cassel from the Patriots in a three-way trade. Cutler had maintained the Broncos initiated the talks. McDaniels publicly said he was approached about a deal.

The conference call was anything but genial and the two sides are now further apart than prior to it, the source said. The source said that the Broncos' tone of the conference call was as if Cutler created the situation by asking for the trade and not the other way around.

The source said McDaniels wouldn't confirm or deny whether the Broncos initiated the trade talks. The Broncos did, though, tell Cutler that every player on the team could be traded and he could be traded at any time. Still, Denver owner Pat Bowlen also stated in the conversation that Cutler will not be traded. The Broncos publicly said Cutler will not be traded last week as the Cutler trade frenzy was in full force.

After the phone call, Cutler, the source said, would rather be traded now if Denver isn't going to commit to him long-term. The source maintains Cutler was totally on board with McDaniels until the trade talks story broke and that trust is Cutler's biggest problem with McDaniels and the organization.

The source said Cutler is still mulling over whether he will show up for the team's offseason conditioning program, which begins Monday. - End BB




Nice Jay, nice, you'll look so much better in Honolulu Blue.

Popps
03-10-2009, 07:30 PM
Good for Jay. He's the most important person on the team, and obviously he has information that the team tried to trade him. I believe him. Make the coach and owner earn your respect, Jay. McDaniels is a dumbass and Bowlen is getting what he deserves.

ROFL!

Yep... Lifetime Network.

worm
03-10-2009, 07:32 PM
Who is the 'source'. Bus Cook? That won't make the Broncos any happier.

Miss I.
03-10-2009, 07:32 PM
ROFL!

Yep... Lifetime Network.

If it's the Lifetime Network, where is Melissa Gilbert in this story? Or you know a burning bed or something? :)

Garcia Bronco
03-10-2009, 07:34 PM
If Xanders and Bowlen and the dumbass trade Cutler they'll set the Franchise back for at least 5 years, if not a decade.

400HZ
03-10-2009, 07:35 PM
It sounds like Cutler went into the meeting expecting to get his ass gently kissed.

Gcver2ver3
03-10-2009, 07:35 PM
here's my take...


trade em...

Broncojef
03-10-2009, 07:36 PM
If Xanders and Bowlen and the dumbass trade Cutler they'll set the Franchise back for at least 5 years, if not a decade.

Jay hasn't done s*it to put up with this drama. Cut the cancer out now or you'll deal with it for years to come.

BroncoMan4ever
03-10-2009, 07:37 PM
i don't give a **** anymore. if McD and Jay hate each other it is fine, but McD had better pray that Jay doesn't play mopey this season because it will **** up the rest of McDouche's career. it might cost Jay a little money when he comes up for a new contract, but it will cost McDaniels opportunities for a long time.

Jay has the ability to turn McDouche into a guy seen as a good NFL coach, or he can destroy McDouche permanantly

Sassy
03-10-2009, 07:37 PM
My take for what its worth.
1. Ideally, the trade options should have been mentioned to Jay before he heard about it from elsewhere. That said, I tend to think the Patriots approached us and not the other way around. I think he turned them down. I think they would have been the only option he would've considered to be honest, but who really knows.
2. Jay needs to stop expressing his feelings to the press. No comment works. Then go work it out with the coach and ask what the situation is, be a real team player. His anger may be justified, but his reactions and venting to the press are not acceptable in a highly paid professional. I get frustrated at my job, sometimes reasonably and sometimes not and do my best to vent internally within my team rather then to customers or something.
3. The internal workings of the team should remain internal with the end results being what gets publicized (this reminds me so much of the Brett Favre-Green Bay nonsense of last year).

I hope Jay stays, I hope he learns some discretion when talking to the press. I hope McD and he work out their relationship with each other and the team. I don't know if they will, but that is my hope.

Great post G! I agree!
A voice of reason!

Northman
03-10-2009, 07:38 PM
Have spoked? :)

As long as he participates in OTA's and camp he can have all the issues he wants!

Yeeeep. :thumbs:

theAPAOps5
03-10-2009, 07:40 PM
It sounds like Cutler went into the meeting expecting to get his ass gently kissed.

Yep sounds like he is an immature, egotistical, pussy. Sadly the majority of the members hear want that in a QB.

Garcia Bronco
03-10-2009, 07:42 PM
Jay hasn't done s*it to put up with this drama. Cut the cancer out now or you'll deal with it for years to come.

Then you don't know a great QB when you see one. He's going to be great. I would rather it be here. Let me put it another way, if I were McDaniels this wouldn't even be a problem. McDaniels' problem is he can't sell it. He can't sell to Jay that he can trust him. How pathetic is that? Mike Shanahan dealt with this crap all the time, and he did it very well. We rarely if ever heard about any of this garbage. McDaniels just needs to back down. That's all he had to do. Everybody knows that any player can be traded at anytime, but you don't tell that to your franchise QB on the phone when this type of crap is going on. It's not what you say in this world, it's how you say it.

frerottenextelway
03-10-2009, 07:46 PM
Then you don't know a great QB when you see one. He's going to be great. I would rather it be here. Let me put it another way, if I were McDaniels this wouldn't even be a problem. McDaniels' problem is he can't sell it. He can't sell to Jay that he can trust him. How pathetic is that? Mike Shanahan dealt with this crap all the time, and he did it very well. We rarely if ever heard about any of this garbage. McDaniels just needs to back down. That's all he had to do. Everybody knows that any player can be traded at anytime, but you don't tell that to your franchise QB on the phone when this type of crap is going on. It's not what you say in this world, it's how you say it.

I hate to say this to you Garcia, but that's really a great take from start to finish.

Popps
03-10-2009, 07:49 PM
It sounds like Cutler went into the meeting expecting to get his ass gently kissed.

You got it.

Jay still thinks he's at Vanderbilt.

Northman
03-10-2009, 07:49 PM
Yep sounds like he is an immature, egotistical, p***Y. Sadly the majority of the members hear want that in a QB.

Thats not true and you know it. Most people want Jay to grow up and think he can but we dont want to trade away his talent. But at this point it doesnt look like the bridge can be fixed. I say try to work a deal with the Vikings for some draft picks and one of the Williams boys.

Broncojef
03-10-2009, 07:50 PM
Then you don't know a great QB when you see one. He's going to be great. I would rather it be here. Let me put it another way, if I were McDaniels this wouldn't even be a problem. McDaniels' problem is he can't sell it. He can't sell to Jay that he can trust him. How pathetic is that? Mike Shanahan dealt with this crap all the time, and he did it very well. We rarely if ever heard about any of this garbage. McDaniels just needs to back down. That's all he had to do. Everybody knows that any player can be traded at anytime, but you don't tell that to your franchise QB on the phone when this type of crap is going on. It's not what you say in this world, it's how you say it.

Mike put up with it and fielded his .500 (7-9/8-8) team since jay was here. Shanny got fired by the owner cause the status quo sucked and he was clueless. Everyone wondered where Bowlen was and why he didn't get involved with this team, well guess what now he's involved and spelling out to Jay who is in charge. I don't care if its Joe Montana in his prime if he's gonna whine and be a detriment to the coach, his vision and this team then theres the door jay. Take all your special gifts and arm stronger than Elway and go take your .500 record somewhere else. The fact is trades can be made at anytime by any team and you'd be flat out stupid not to listen to some of the deals floating around, whether Jay likes it or not.

Taco John
03-10-2009, 07:52 PM
Then you don't know a great QB when you see one. He's going to be great. I would rather it be here. Let me put it another way, if I were McDaniels this wouldn't even be a problem. McDaniels' problem is he can't sell it. He can't sell to Jay that he can trust him. How pathetic is that? Mike Shanahan dealt with this crap all the time, and he did it very well. We rarely if ever heard about any of this garbage. McDaniels just needs to back down. That's all he had to do. Everybody knows that any player can be traded at anytime, but you don't tell that to your franchise QB on the phone when this type of crap is going on. It's not what you say in this world, it's how you say it.

word up.

It's looking more and more like McDaniels is in over his head. Perhaps hiring so young wasn't such a hot idea.

Popps
03-10-2009, 07:53 PM
McDaniels' problem is he can't sell it. He can't sell to Jay that he can trust him. How pathetic is that? .

It's only pathetic if you're under the incorrect assumption that a staff's job is to bow down to every whim of a kid who's won nothing in the league.

Jay doesn't run the franchise. He can figure that out the easy way or the hard way.

Looks like he continues to want to do it the hard way.

garandman
03-10-2009, 07:53 PM
How has this become so twisted??!

4 weeks ago, 99% of Bronco fans would say we are set at QB, yes I admit I hated to see Jay mope around when things were not going his way but some of the great ones did (Dan Marino comes to mind). You don't find Jay Cutlers falling out of the sky, we are at a point were we could be slipping into the realm of irrelevance if we lose this guy. IMO if this is how this call went down as reported Mcdaniels is mortgaging his future as an NFL head coach getting into a pissing match with a pro bowl quarterback. WRONG MOVE, he can be assertive but an olive branch should have been extended at this point. My gut tells me this is going to end badly for us.
We better pray that Detroit will be willing to give us the farm and we draft Stafford and the kid is for real, but the odds are not in our favor....

Damnit Bowlen you have really Fu&$ed this up! What a disaster...

frerottenextelway
03-10-2009, 07:55 PM
It's only pathetic if you're under the incorrect assumption that a staff's job is to bow down to every whim of a kid who's won nothing in the league.

Jay doesn't run the franchise. He can figure that out the easy way or the hard way.

Looks like he continues to want to do it the hard way.

Joshie doesn't run the franchise either. And we're all finding that out the hard way.

TheDave
03-10-2009, 07:55 PM
CBS4 Sports has also learned that Bowlen attempted to contact Cutler twice last week. Both calls went unreturned.

If this is true we might as well start making plans for Life after Jay...

What a ****ing shame.

Northman
03-10-2009, 07:57 PM
If this is true we might as well start making plans for Life after Jay...

What a ****ing shame.

Yepppp. But i cant wait for football. This crap is just tiresome.

garandman
03-10-2009, 08:00 PM
Mike put up with it and fielded his .500 (7-9/8-8) team since jay was here. Shanny got fired by the owner cause the status quo sucked and he was clueless. Everyone wondered where Bowlen was and why he didn't get involved with this team, well guess what now he's involved and spelling out to Jay who is in charge. I don't care if its Joe Montana in his prime if he's gonna whine and be a detriment to the coach, his vision and this team then theres the door jay. Take all your special gifts and arm stronger than Elway and go take your .500 record somewhere else. The fact is trades can be made at anytime by any team and you'd be flat out stupid not to listen to some of the deals floating around, whether Jay likes it or not.

I would agree if the new head coach had some CREDIBILITY, he has zero except being a Belicheck lackey at this point. HE has turned the team on its ear and he hasnt coached a single practice yet!!

We are all being asked to have faith in this guy, but why should we?
If this same trade scenario had played out with Shanahan here I would be much more comfortable in whats going on. Say what you will about Shanny but half the teams in the league would hire him tomorrow if he wanted the job.

cmhargrove
03-10-2009, 08:01 PM
If this is true we might as well start making plans for Life after Jay...

What a ****ing shame.

The Falcons thought they were sunk when they lost Vick. Just sayin'...

Florida_Bronco
03-10-2009, 08:02 PM
If this is true we might as well start making plans for Life after Jay...

What a ****ing shame.

I'm not quite sure I trust CBS4 right now. I'll wait until we hear something from Schefter or another reliable source.

cmhargrove
03-10-2009, 08:03 PM
The thing that really bothers me is why so many people know about a private conversation between the Ownership, Head Coach, GM, and QB of a team. I mean seriously, who is spouting all the info here?

garandman
03-10-2009, 08:03 PM
It's only pathetic if you're under the incorrect assumption that a staff's job is to bow down to every whim of a kid who's won nothing in the league.

Jay doesn't run the franchise. He can figure that out the easy way or the hard way.

Looks like he continues to want to do it the hard way.

I don't understand the hate for Cutler, yes he is immature but give us a top 10 defense this year and we win atleast 1 playoff game. Cutler's play was exceptional at most times during the year and by all accounts he is a good teamate and works hard in the offseason. But we have forgotton all about that now......

Garcia Bronco
03-10-2009, 08:03 PM
It's only pathetic if you're under the incorrect assumption that a staff's job is to bow down to every whim of a kid who's won nothing in the league.

Jay doesn't run the franchise. He can figure that out the easy way or the hard way.

Looks like he continues to want to do it the hard way.

You have always made stupid assumptions, points, comments, ideas, and posts. Why should this time be any different. Nobody said bow down to every whim. Nobody said Jay runs the franchise. This whole thing isn't about what happens on the field. It's about being able to sell your ideas and keep the peace. Which McDaniels can't do. Jay Cutler didn't start this, and maybe w to be McDaniels didn't either, but if he's going to be a proper head coach then he needs to learn how to be political.

Garcia Bronco
03-10-2009, 08:05 PM
Mike put up with it and fielded his .500 (7-9/8-8) team since jay was here. Shanny got fired by the owner cause the status quo sucked and he was clueless. Everyone wondered where Bowlen was and why he didn't get involved with this team, well guess what now he's involved and spelling out to Jay who is in charge. I don't care if its Joe Montana in his prime if he's gonna whine and be a detriment to the coach, his vision and this team then theres the door jay. Take all your special gifts and arm stronger than Elway and go take your .500 record somewhere else. The fact is trades can be made at anytime by any team and you'd be flat out stupid not to listen to some of the deals floating around, whether Jay likes it or not.

Shanahan was clueless? GTFO.

Florida_Bronco
03-10-2009, 08:06 PM
The thing that really bothers me is why so many people know about a private conversation between the Ownership, Head Coach, GM, and QB of a team. I mean seriously, who is spouting all the info here?

Like I mentioned before, didn't Vic Lombardi basically get caught red handed dishing out bull**** about this situation? As Drek, Montrose and others have mentioned, Dove Valley is pretty much locked down from the media.

I don't quite trust CBS4 right now. I want more trustworthy sources to weight in on this before I make any judgments about it.

SureShot
03-10-2009, 08:06 PM
The Falcons thought they were sunk when they lost Vick. Just sayin'...

Please refrain from comparing Jay to Ron Mexico. Thanks.

Taco John
03-10-2009, 08:08 PM
It's only pathetic if you're under the incorrect assumption that a staff's job is to bow down to every whim of a kid who's won nothing in the league.

Jay doesn't run the franchise. He can figure that out the easy way or the hard way.

Looks like he continues to want to do it the hard way.



This isn't the 1960's anymore, and Josh McDaniels isn't Vince Lombardi.

The problem here has less to do with Jay than it does about the fact that Josh McDaniels has lost complete control of the locker room before he's even stepped foot in it. The most important player on the team - the team leader - doesn't trust the guy. It wouldn't be a problem if it was just one guy - but football is a team sport, and this team was built around Jay Cutler. Maybe it was a bad plan to build around Jay (I don't personally think it was), but it is what it is.

Getting rid of Jay means virtually starting from scratch. This isn't what Bowlen expected, or what the fans expected, and certainly not what the locker room expected. Dawkins wasn't sold on the idea that we'd be starting from scratch.

McDaniels has dug himself a hole. He started out by not being honest from the beginning. So the story has gone from "We're not looking to trade Jay," to "Everyone on this team is up for grabs." There's no consistency in the story.

The locker room is going to be diplomatic about it to the media, but behind closed doors, those guys are all shaking their heads, some at Jay, some at McDaniels. Josh has started his career by introducing cancer into the system. It's not a great start.

Garcia Bronco
03-10-2009, 08:10 PM
This isn't the 1960's anymore, and Josh McDaniels isn't Vince Lombardi.

The problem here has less to do with Jay than it does about the fact that Josh McDaniels has lost complete control of the locker room before he's even stepped foot in it. The most important player on the team - the team leader - doesn't trust the guy. It wouldn't be a problem if it was just one guy - but football is a team sport, and this team was built around Jay Cutler. Maybe it was a bad plan to build around Jay (I don't personally think it was), but it is what it is.

Getting rid of Jay means virtually starting from scratch. This isn't what Bowlen expected, or what the fans expected, and certainly not what the locker room expected. Dawkins wasn't sold on the idea that we'd be starting from scratch.

McDaniels has dug himself a hole. He started out by not being honest from the beginning. So the story has gone from "We're not looking to trade Jay," to "Everyone on this team is up for grabs." There's no consistency in the story.

The locker room is going to be diplomatic about it to the media, but behind closed doors, those guys are all shaking their heads, some at Jay, some at McDaniels. Josh has started his career by introducing cancer into the system. It's not a great start.

Exactly.

Taco John
03-10-2009, 08:12 PM
I don't understand the hate for Cutler, yes he is immature but give us a top 10 defense this year and we win atleast 1 playoff game. Cutler's play was exceptional at most times during the year and by all accounts he is a good teamate and works hard in the offseason. But we have forgotton all about that now......


He's been waiting since Plummer got canned to jump down Cutler's throat for replacing his boy. There's a group of them here that have been hoping Cutler would fail, and jumping on every weakness they could to throw it in everybody's faces.

BlaK-Argentina
03-10-2009, 08:12 PM
Both Cutler and McDaniels are ****ing idiots. :)

garandman
03-10-2009, 08:13 PM
This isn't the 1960's anymore, and Josh McDaniels isn't Vince Lombardi.

The problem here has less to do with Jay than it does about the fact that Josh McDaniels has lost complete control of the locker room before he's even stepped foot in it. The most important player on the team - the team leader - doesn't trust the guy. It wouldn't be a problem if it was just one guy - but football is a team sport, and this team was built around Jay Cutler. Maybe it was a bad plan to build around Jay (I don't personally think it was), but it is what it is.

Getting rid of Jay means virtually starting from scratch. This isn't what Bowlen expected, or what the fans expected, and certainly not what the locker room expected. Dawkins wasn't sold on the idea that we'd be starting from scratch.

McDaniels has dug himself a hole. He started out by not being honest from the beginning. So the story has gone from "We're not looking to trade Jay," to "Everyone on this team is up for grabs." There's no consistency in the story.

The locker room is going to be diplomatic about it to the media, but behind closed doors, those guys are all shaking their heads, some at Jay, some at McDaniels. Josh has started his career by introducing cancer into the system. It's not a great start.

REP

Taco John
03-10-2009, 08:15 PM
The thing that really bothers me is why so many people know about a private conversation between the Ownership, Head Coach, GM, and QB of a team. I mean seriously, who is spouting all the info here?


Just look at the spin on each leak, and you can tell which side is letting the information out.

400HZ
03-10-2009, 08:21 PM
Just look at the spin on each leak, and you can tell which side is letting the information out.

Which side? It sounded an aweful lot like Cutler or his agent was talking directly to Mike Lombardi there for a while.

Archer81
03-10-2009, 08:26 PM
This needs to end before TO v McNabb seemed like patty cake in comparison.


:Broncos:

tsiguy96
03-10-2009, 08:30 PM
Both Cutler and McDaniels are ****ing idiots. :)

post of the year...

maher_tyler
03-10-2009, 08:31 PM
He's under no obligation to do anything on his days off. That's business.

If by business you mean McDonalds then yea but in a big time business if the OWNER calls you...you might want to call him back!!!

UboBronco
03-10-2009, 08:32 PM
A point of view that has not been brought up is this. I live by Green Bay, and with Bus Cook also being Favre's agent, he seems to go for the QB's that feel they OWN, and are, the franchise, I cannot believe that Jay is acting so childish, if I were his parents, I would be so embarrassed, where are the Midwestern values we supposedly teach our kids. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comhttp://www.orangemane.com/BB/ /><o:p></o:p>
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halfcreek
03-10-2009, 08:33 PM
This isn't the 1960's anymore, and Josh McDaniels isn't Vince Lombardi.

The problem here has less to do with Jay than it does about the fact that Josh McDaniels has lost complete control of the locker room before he's even stepped foot in it. The most important player on the team - the team leader - doesn't trust the guy. It wouldn't be a problem if it was just one guy - but football is a team sport, and this team was built around Jay Cutler. Maybe it was a bad plan to build around Jay (I don't personally think it was), but it is what it is.

Getting rid of Jay means virtually starting from scratch. This isn't what Bowlen expected, or what the fans expected, and certainly not what the locker room expected. Dawkins wasn't sold on the idea that we'd be starting from scratch.

McDaniels has dug himself a hole. He started out by not being honest from the beginning. So the story has gone from "We're not looking to trade Jay," to "Everyone on this team is up for grabs." There's no consistency in the story.

The locker room is going to be diplomatic about it to the media, but behind closed doors, those guys are all shaking their heads, some at Jay, some at McDaniels. Josh has started his career by introducing cancer into the system. It's not a great start.

And this knowledge flows from.........?

broncofan2438
03-10-2009, 08:34 PM
Both Cutler and McDaniels are ****ing idiots. :)

Amen to that

ghwk
03-10-2009, 08:53 PM
This isn't the 1960's anymore, and Josh McDaniels isn't Vince Lombardi.

The problem here has less to do with Jay than it does about the fact that Josh McDaniels has lost complete control of the locker room before he's even stepped foot in it. The most important player on the team - the team leader - doesn't trust the guy. It wouldn't be a problem if it was just one guy - but football is a team sport, and this team was built around Jay Cutler. Maybe it was a bad plan to build around Jay (I don't personally think it was), but it is what it is.

Getting rid of Jay means virtually starting from scratch. This isn't what Bowlen expected, or what the fans expected, and certainly not what the locker room expected. Dawkins wasn't sold on the idea that we'd be starting from scratch.



McDaniels has dug himself a hole. He started out by not being honest from the beginning. So the story has gone from "We're not looking to trade Jay," to "Everyone on this team is up for grabs." There's no consistency in the story.

The locker room is going to be diplomatic about it to the media, but behind closed doors, those guys are all shaking their heads, some at Jay, some at McDaniels. Josh has started his career by introducing cancer into the system. It's not a great start.

I disagree with a lot of this. Yes Mickey D is no Lombardi but Lombardi was no Lombardi at 32 either.

The problem here is we don't know wtf happened we only know news leaks of what happened. In other words we don't really know jack.

Now lets separate Jay's skill from his behavior. Skill wise he has lots of potential but after 3 seasons not much to show for it. Yeah a defense would help but the defense didn't throw all the INT's. But he is young so I don't really hold that against him too much. His BEHAVIOR is another matter. For all of you that disdain your boss so much that you wouldn't call them back on vacation, I don't have much respect for that either. I happen to like my boss, would call her back on vacation and if I had to spend some time working wouldn't be happy about it but I'd negotiate comp time in lieu of it. Life doesn't have to be so black and white. Since you don't give a crap about your boss maybe you are already in a position where your boss doesn't give a crap about you either, in which case prepare to be fired at the first opportunity. Jays behavior is juvenile and reeks of entitlement, again if we can believe the press. What a rube if he doesn't understand the business end of football at this point, and if he doesn't his agent has been kissing his a$$ for too long and is doing him no favors. Along that line someone let me know when TO grows up. Toss Brandon Marshall into that heap as well, and I love the dude.

Getting rid of Jay doesn't mean starting from scratch either. Bring Cassel in who understands the system, but doesn't have as much upside, and we surely won't suck. Had we gotten Warner would we be starting from scratch? Nope, we'd probably do better than with Jay the head case in the next year. Maybe Jay HAS peaked, we don't know, but the rumor is out there in the league.

As far as Mickey D the cancer, anyone remember when Coughlin got to the Giants? Huge mutiny, as the inmates no longer got to run the asylum. But WTF a Super Bowl??? comes out of it a few years later. How the heck could that have happened with Coughlin the dictator (ref the management empowerment post. This isn't a corporation, every employee is under contract here so the theories don't apply the same way, and if you are at all familiar with Blanchard even he will tell you the dictator style is needed at times. It's what makes Reeves such a great turnaround coach, then you have to get him the heck outta there). Sometimes when you start over a dictator style is what is needed to get a team headed in the same direction. It's Mickey D's team not Jay's and for a while Jay has to learn how to frog march. Once mutual respect comes into play, of which there is little on both sides right now, then you can move to a more collaborative style. At that point we will have a kick a$$ team. (It's what made Elway and Shanahan so good, but it's not like Shanahan and Cutler were buds; as Jay said he plays for his teammates not the management). What remains to be seen is whether or not Jay will be part of it.

Popps
03-10-2009, 09:03 PM
"I don't play for the coaches, I play for my teammates"

What is this guy, 10 years old?

SureShot
03-10-2009, 09:05 PM
I disagree with a lot of this. Yes Mickey D is no Lombardi but Lombardi was no Lombardi at 32 either.

The problem here is we don't know wtf happened we only know news leaks of what happened. In other words we don't really know jack.

Now lets separate Jay's skill from his behavior. Skill wise he has lots of potential but after 3 seasons not much to show for it. Yeah a defense would help but the defense didn't throw all the INT's. But he is young so I don't really hold that against him too much. His BEHAVIOR is another matter. For all of you that disdain your boss so much that you wouldn't call them back on vacation, I don't have much respect for that either. I happen to like my boss, would call her back on vacation and if I had to spend some time working wouldn't be happy about it but I'd negotiate comp time in lieu of it. Life doesn't have to be so black and white. Since you don't give a crap about your boss maybe you are already in a position where your boss doesn't give a crap about you either, in which case prepare to be fired at the first opportunity. Jays behavior is juvenile and reeks of entitlement, again if we can believe the press. What a rube if he doesn't understand the business end of football at this point, and if he doesn't his agent has been kissing his a$$ for too long and is doing him no favors. Along that line someone let me know when TO grows up. Toss Brandon Marshall into that heap as well, and I love the dude.

Getting rid of Jay doesn't mean starting from scratch either. Bring Cassel in who understands the system, but doesn't have as much upside, and we surely won't suck. Had we gotten Warner would we be starting from scratch? Nope, we'd probably do better than with Jay the head case in the next year. Maybe Jay HAS peaked, we don't know, but the rumor is out there in the league.

As far as Mickey D the cancer, anyone remember when Coughlin got to the Giants? Huge mutiny, as the inmates no longer got to run the asylum. But WTF a Super Bowl??? comes out of it a few years later. How the heck could that have happened with Coughlin the dictator (ref the management empowerment post. This isn't a corporation, every employee is under contract here so the theories don't apply the same way, and if you are at all familiar with Blanchard even he will tell you the dictator style is needed at times. It's what makes Reeves such a great turnaround coach, then you have to get him the heck outta there). Sometimes when you start over a dictator style is what is needed to get a team headed in the same direction. It's Mickey D's team not Jay's and for a while Jay has to learn how to frog march. Once mutual respect comes into play, of which there is little on both sides right now, then you can move to a more collaborative style. At that point we will have a kick a$$ team. (It's what made Elway and Shanahan so good, but it's not like Shanahan and Cutler were buds; as Jay said he plays for his teammates not the management). What remains to be seen is whether or not Jay will be part of it.

The Giants won a super bowl after Coughlin changed his style to a more player friendly one.

ghwk
03-10-2009, 09:07 PM
The Giants won a super bowl after Coughlin changed his style to a more player friendly one.

But he didn't start there. He started with kicking ass and taking names. Nice try.

SureShot
03-10-2009, 09:08 PM
But he didn't start there. He started with kicking ass and taking names. Nice try.

Try this one from his owner then.

"Nobody thought he could change," said Giants owner John Mara, adding, "But the changes he made with communication -- particularly forming the leadership council on the team -- was a good signal to the players that he was not a dictatorial person."

Kicking ass and taking names almost got him fired.

worm
03-10-2009, 09:10 PM
"I don't play for the coaches, I play for my teammates"

What is this guy, 10 years old?

Please. Nothing 10 year old about it.

If I was in a war, I think I would count on those there with me instead of higher up brass. Hell, the Marine credo starts with Unit.
In corporate America, I am much more interested in building a great team than working for the CEO.
When playing sports...I care about my teammates MUCH more than the coach.

theAPAOps5
03-10-2009, 09:16 PM
This isn't the 1960's anymore, and Josh McDaniels isn't Vince Lombardi.

The problem here has less to do with Jay than it does about the fact that Josh McDaniels has lost complete control of the locker room before he's even stepped foot in it. The most important player on the team - the team leader - doesn't trust the guy. It wouldn't be a problem if it was just one guy - but football is a team sport, and this team was built around Jay Cutler. Maybe it was a bad plan to build around Jay (I don't personally think it was), but it is what it is.

Getting rid of Jay means virtually starting from scratch. This isn't what Bowlen expected, or what the fans expected, and certainly not what the locker room expected. Dawkins wasn't sold on the idea that we'd be starting from scratch.

McDaniels has dug himself a hole. He started out by not being honest from the beginning. So the story has gone from "We're not looking to trade Jay," to "Everyone on this team is up for grabs." There's no consistency in the story.

The locker room is going to be diplomatic about it to the media, but behind closed doors, those guys are all shaking their heads, some at Jay, some at McDaniels. Josh has started his career by introducing cancer into the system. It's not a great start.

Jay is a little egotistical b****. The problem is you are so bent out of shape that they fired your hero Shanny that you won't see it any other way. Its clear you are going to side against Bowlen and the team because your panties are in a twist from the get go.

Fact is they shouldn't trade the petulant child. They should demote his egotistical ass to #3 and sit his punk ass for how ever long it takes to get his ass in gear.

GreatBronco16
03-10-2009, 09:19 PM
Please. Nothing 10 year old about it.

If I was in a war, I think I would count on those there with me instead of higher up brass. Hell, the Marine credo starts with Unit.
In corporate America, I am much more interested in building a great team than working for the CEO.
When playing sports...I care about my teammates MUCH more than the coach.

Now that I have to agree with.

ghwk
03-10-2009, 09:33 PM
Please. Nothing 10 year old about it.

If I was in a war, I think I would count on those there with me instead of higher up brass. Hell, the Marine credo starts with Unit.
In corporate America, I am much more interested in building a great team than working for the CEO.
When playing sports...I care about my teammates MUCH more than the coach.

Hmm war, football, war, football. It's football so what the heck is your point? Even in war show me where the credo says to disobey your commanding officer? Independent thought is encouraged at the unit level, not mutiny! Or did I not mention this is FOOTBALL!

ghwk
03-10-2009, 09:35 PM
Try this one from his owner then.

"Nobody thought he could change," said Giants owner John Mara, adding, "But the changes he made with communication -- particularly forming the leadership council on the team -- was a good signal to the players that he was not a dictatorial person."

Kicking ass and taking names almost got him fired.

That is about change, for gods sake get a clue and quit skipping over the dictator part. Coughlin couldn't start as the great communicator and get the same results, it evolved out of mutual respect or did you miss that in my original post?

Kaylore
03-10-2009, 10:29 PM
"Lost control of the locker room" my ass. McDaniels has "lost" one player who's acting like a baby. The rest of the team is full steam ahead.

broncocalijohn
03-10-2009, 10:44 PM
I am not going to really add anything but 9 pages on less than a 1/2 day of starting thread and I didnt want to be left out in the cold if this thing goes "gutless drunk". I wish I was in on the Mighty Smurf drunk-capeds a few years back (speaking of back, MS has returned to our nest).
Carry on...

manchambo
03-10-2009, 11:02 PM
"Lost control of the locker room" my ass. McDaniels has "lost" one player who's acting like a baby. The rest of the team is full steam ahead.


Yeah, I bet the players will be real happy when he runs off their star QB for no apparent reason.

Eli_Cash
03-10-2009, 11:16 PM
Lack of experience in the front office lead to this situation getting messy.

Lack of maturity in Jay is causing it to continue.

No party is without fault.


An official decree of Shenanigans may be the last resort...

JJJ
03-10-2009, 11:54 PM
Burger Bill-
After a contentious conference call between quarterback Jay Cutler and the Denver Broncos' brass on Monday, the situation has gone "from bad to worse", according to a source close to the situation.


Who tries to smooth things over in a conference call? Especially when they would see each other face to face in a few days.

They should have sat down over a cup of coffee. Probably a bad idea though as McDaniels probably would have said "you take sugar with that Jay?"

You got one hell of a soap opera going on here.

ton80
03-11-2009, 12:11 AM
Been thinking about Jay's schtick...

He has this "I can appear as the biggest ****in computer geek with my ****ed up hair look personality/attitude that comes across as bite me, while at the same time is measuring penises with a qb that has appeared in 5 super bowls, winning 2 of them."

I know the prick can grow up and have a HOF career, but as of right now he has become tiresome.

bpc
03-11-2009, 12:13 AM
"Lost control of the locker room" my ass. McDaniels has "lost" one player who's acting like a baby. The rest of the team is full steam ahead.

Really? You think Stokely feels that way? Not that I care what BMarsh or Scheff have to say, but them as well?

I highly doubt this is the case. In fact, I bet most of the office is up in arms.

meangene
03-11-2009, 04:09 AM
This article on NFL.com is not quite so negative about the conversation:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80f31f38&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

arghemtee
03-11-2009, 04:17 AM
This article on NFL.com is not quite so negative about the conversation:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80f31f38&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

This article sums up the events over the past few weeks. Nothing new.

NOLA Bronco
03-11-2009, 05:51 AM
I don't think McDaniels has lost anything. McDaniels clearly has the support of the biggest locker room influence we have now - Brian Dawkins. Not since Lynch, Wilson, or really Rod Smith did we have someone with this reputation.

I wonder, how on earth did Cutler get the Captian C on his jersey? Suck it up Jay.

meangene
03-11-2009, 06:25 AM
This article sums up the events over the past few weeks. Nothing new.

Largely true but there were a couple of points that differed from the totally negative reports elsewhere:

A team official said the two sides did not grow farther apart in this conversation.

Buzz Cook said he did not believe his client had ever asked the Broncos for a trade.

Issues were openly discussed and it was re-emphasized that Cutler would not be traded.

oubronco
03-11-2009, 06:32 AM
Jay is a little egotistical b****. The problem is you are so bent out of shape that they fired your hero Shanny that you won't see it any other way. Its clear you are going to side against Bowlen and the team because your panties are in a twist from the get go.

Fact is they shouldn't trade the petulant child. They should demote his egotistical ass to #3 and sit his punk ass for how ever long it takes to get his ass in gear.

so if they don't trade him will you get behind him or hold a grudge and still call him a b*tch

Drek
03-11-2009, 06:48 AM
Yeah, I bet the players will be real happy when he runs off their star QB for no apparent reason.

I think most of the roster will understand that if Jay gets moved its because he felt he should be treated as bigger and more important than any other player on the team, i.e. being untradeable, not having accountability to his new coaching staff and the organization, and airing the organizational laundry out into the media.

Anyone else on this roster acts like that and they're either cut, suspended, or traded ASAP. Cutler does it and he wants the FO to kiss his ass on his way back into town.

Bob's your Information Minister
03-11-2009, 06:54 AM
if Jay gets moved its because he felt he should be treated as bigger and more important than any other player on the team

Guess what?

HE IS.

Teams all around the NFL will be LINING UP to trade or sign Jay Cutler if he is cut or put on the block.

You can't say that about any other player on the Broncos except perhaps Clady or Marshall. Possibly Bailey.

Jay Cutler has leverage in this situation because he is HOT **** in Denver and in just about every city in the NFL that needs a quarterback.

Garcia Bronco
03-11-2009, 07:15 AM
Guess what?

HE IS.

Teams all around the NFL will be LINING UP to trade or sign Jay Cutler if he is cut or put on the block.

You can't say that about any other player on the Broncos except perhaps Clady or Marshall. Possibly Bailey.

Jay Cutler has leverage in this situation because he is HOT **** in Denver and in just about every city in the NFL that needs a quarterback.

Good Gravey I agree with GoChiefs.

theAPAOps5
03-11-2009, 07:21 AM
so if they don't trade him will you get behind him or hold a grudge and still call him a b*tch

If he is part of the team I will support him. He is just acting like a beotch right now.

Rohirrim
03-11-2009, 07:26 AM
Guess what?

HE IS.

Teams all around the NFL will be LINING UP to trade or sign Jay Cutler if he is cut or put on the block.

You can't say that about any other player on the Broncos except perhaps Clady or Marshall. Possibly Bailey.

Jay Cutler has leverage in this situation because he is HOT **** in Denver and in just about every city in the NFL that needs a quarterback.

Well, now I know that Jay is wrong. Bob says he's right.

I'm trying to picture how some great QBs of this era would act in this situation. Tom Brady? He'd laugh and tell his new team, "Show me the money and I'll bring my foxy wife with me." Big Ben? He'd laugh even harder. Payton Manning? ROFL! Why? Because they are not prima donnas. They are champions. They know that wherever they go, they will continue to be champions. Has there been trade talk about all these guys? Sure. Have any of them weeped their case to the press? I guess champions don't do that, eh?

Chiefsorg
03-11-2009, 07:52 AM
The management has not handled this situation very well at all. They need to admit to trying to make this trade. Basicly coming clean with Jay. Then Jay needs to suck it up and go play ball.

theAPAOps5
03-11-2009, 07:55 AM
The management has not handled this situation very well at all. They need to admit to trying to make this trade. Basicly coming clean with Jay. Then Jay needs to suck it up and go play ball.

They did admit they listened to the trade offer. If they were denying that his name never came up I see your point.

Chiefsorg
03-11-2009, 08:18 AM
Updated Story from the Denver Post


So much for communication.

According to an NFL source, Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler came away from a conference call with team officials Monday believing that for the right deal, he would be traded between now and the NFL draft, which begins April 25.

Broncos coach Josh McDaniels would not comment, but a source close to the team said Broncos officials had a different interpretation of how the conference call went.

McDaniels was joined on one end of the conference call by Broncos owner Pat Bowlen, general manager Brian Xanders and chief operating officer Joe Ellis. Cutler was in Nashville, Tenn., during the call and was accompanied by his agent, Bus Cook.

The Broncos, according to the source close to the team, say the
Denver Broncos call was conducted in a nonconfrontational manner, with team officials willing to answer every question, and that the call ended positively. The possibility of a future trade never came up.

However, Cutler came away disappointed.

Who says all good relationships start with communication?

Cutler, who has been the Broncos' starting quarterback dating to the final five games of the 2006 season, has been irked since learning McDaniels supposedly considered trading him to Tampa Bay in a deal that would have brought New England quarterback Matt Cassel to Denver. McDaniels coached Cassel at New England last season.

However, nothing presented by New England coach Bill Belichick came close to enticing McDaniels to accept a deal for Cassel, who instead was traded to Kansas City on Feb. 28.

McDaniels said he merely received calls on Cutler from other teams and announced through a team spokesman last week that "the Denver Broncos are not trading Jay Cutler. Period."

Still, leak of the proposed trade stung Cutler, who believed he was misled by McDaniels. According to both NFL sources, Cutler and Broncos officials entered the conference call believing any friction between the two parties would be resolved and the two sides would put the controversy behind them. Apparently, only the team officials came away satisfied.

Cutler said the meeting didn't go as hoped, according to the NFL source, adding that McDaniels reiterated no one is untradable for the sake of improving the team and that the quarterback was expected to report for the team's offseason conditioning program that begins Monday. Offseason conditioning workouts are by de-finition "voluntary," but players understand coaches expect them to attend.

According to the source close to the Broncos, McDan-iels said only that the team looked forward to seeing Cutler on Monday.

Thus, the next stage in this McJaygate drama.

According to the NFL source, Cutler has not yet decided whether he would report Monday. If Cutler doesn't report to Broncos headquarters next week, he would be viewed as undermining McDaniels' authority. What would the team do then? The Broncos may have no other choice but to move the player who in recent years has been dubbed not just the quarterback, but the "franchise" quarterback.

Ill feelings between Cutler and the Broncos began when Bowlen fired longtime coach Mike Shanahan two days after the Broncos were trounced by San Diego in a playoff-or-bust game in the 2008 regular-season finale. Cutler blasted the decision, then stated his support for passing-game coordinator Jeremy Bates.

When McDaniels became the new head coach, Bates was not retained. But in time, Cutler had warmed to McDaniels. They had spent a couple of weeks together at the team's headquarters studying the New England offensive system right up until the time the free-agent, trading season opened Feb. 27.

The next day brought reports Cutler was involved in trade talks, and there has been a rift between the quarterback and his bosses ever since. The most immediate question confronting Broncoland is: Can Cutler and the team reconcile their differences by the time the team begins its offseason conditioning program Monday?

Mike Klis: 303-954-1055 or mklis@denverpost.com

Tombstone RJ
03-11-2009, 08:36 AM
This isn't the 1960's anymore, and Josh McDaniels isn't Vince Lombardi.

The problem here has less to do with Jay than it does about the fact that Josh McDaniels has lost complete control of the locker room before he's even stepped foot in it. The most important player on the team - the team leader - doesn't trust the guy. It wouldn't be a problem if it was just one guy - but football is a team sport, and this team was built around Jay Cutler. Maybe it was a bad plan to build around Jay (I don't personally think it was), but it is what it is.

Getting rid of Jay means virtually starting from scratch. This isn't what Bowlen expected, or what the fans expected, and certainly not what the locker room expected. Dawkins wasn't sold on the idea that we'd be starting from scratch.

McDaniels has dug himself a hole. He started out by not being honest from the beginning. So the story has gone from "We're not looking to trade Jay," to "Everyone on this team is up for grabs." There's no consistency in the story.

The locker room is going to be diplomatic about it to the media, but behind closed doors, those guys are all shaking their heads, some at Jay, some at McDaniels. Josh has started his career by introducing cancer into the system. It's not a great start.


Your making a lot of assumptions.

Man-Goblin
03-11-2009, 08:37 AM
Billy Willy says Cutler would rather be traded now if the team will not fully commit to him long term. Take it for what it is worth, I guess...

Cutler ordeal 'bad to worse'

After the phone call, the first source said Cutler would rather be traded now if Denver isn't going to commit to him long-term. The first source maintains Cutler was totally on board with McDaniels until the trade talks story broke and that trust is Cutler's biggest problem with McDaniels and the organization.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3968896

kamakazi_kal
03-11-2009, 08:40 AM
I don't know about the rest of you, but I don't return my boss's phone calls when I'm on vacation either.

DAMN STRAIGHT .......... When I leave for the day, I LEAVE for the day.

Archer81
03-11-2009, 08:59 AM
DAMN STRAIGHT .......... When I leave for the day, I LEAVE for the day.


Thank God...I was unsure where you stood on your work/home schedule.


:Broncos:

Archer81
03-11-2009, 09:00 AM
Quick, everyone run around in a circle screaming like impotent jerks...AHHHHHHHHHH


:Broncos:

vancejohnson82
03-11-2009, 09:02 AM
DAMN STRAIGHT .......... When I leave for the day, I LEAVE for the day.

wow....i really dont know what kind of jobs you guys have where if your boss leaves you TWO messages asking you to call back you can just ignore them...and show up two weeks later...

Archer81
03-11-2009, 09:06 AM
If I made millions of dollars playing a game for a living, and the owner of the professional franchise I played for called me, I'd pick up the phone. Thats just me though, you know, having a sense of maturity and responsibility...


:Broncos:

ghwk
03-11-2009, 09:13 AM
wow....i really dont know what kind of jobs you guys have where if your boss leaves you TWO messages asking you to call back you can just ignore them...and show up two weeks later...

McDonalds.

BlaK-Argentina
03-11-2009, 09:24 AM
If this last report is true, Cutler is acting like a little bitch and needs to just get back to work. Put this behind you and focus on next season damnit!

ZONA
03-11-2009, 09:42 AM
Anybody now who is saying McD is in the wrong and Jay has every right to not return the calls from Bowlen and not not show up at workouts next week is a D bag with half a brain. The ball has been knocked into Jay's court. The Broncos made it clear he is not being traded but also made it clear that any player could be traded, nobody is above the law so to speak. So, uh, what does Jay think he is above the law? Does Jay think he is untouchable and more important then the team itself?

I wasn't for either side when all this first started out. I said the two needed to get together and work it out. Looks like the Broncos have tried and Jay is taking his ball and going home.

Jay is in the wrong if he doesn't at least call the Broncos and tell them a good reason why he won't show up unless he plans to show up.

Get over yourself Jay. I love your game and want you here but grow up dude.

colonelbeef
03-11-2009, 10:23 AM
Guess what?

HE IS.

Teams all around the NFL will be LINING UP to trade or sign Jay Cutler if he is cut or put on the block.

You can't say that about any other player on the Broncos except perhaps Clady or Marshall. Possibly Bailey.

Jay Cutler has leverage in this situation because he is HOT **** in Denver and in just about every city in the NFL that needs a quarterback.

bob is completely correct here.

McDaniels was a moron for doing anything other than reassuring jay during the conference call. He just continues to **** this up worse and worse.

barryr
03-11-2009, 10:49 AM
The Broncos have mishandled this in a big way by letting the media run round and around with this story. Most of the stories go back and forth on what's happening, even in the very same story.

The Broncos need or needed to come out publicly they were doing this or not doing this or that and be done with it. They have allowed the media dictate what the story is on a daily basis and since the stories are not all the same, they can't all be right.

ghwk
03-11-2009, 11:03 AM
bob is completely correct here.

McDaniels was a moron for doing anything other than reassuring jay during the conference call. He just continues to **** this up worse and worse.

"Truth!? You can't handle the truth!" At least Jay can't. The truth is anyone is tradeable but for some reason Jay thinks he shouldn't be.

Inkana7
03-11-2009, 11:27 AM
Arguing here is pointless. The Cutlerites will make McDaniels look like a big meanie, and the McDaniels supporters make Cutler out to be an egotistical, whiny prick.

Personally, I'm a McDaniels supporter. And I was pissed at first by the trade rumors. I'm a huge fan of Cutler. But he's really acting like a damn fool and ruining his reputation with this. McDaniels and company did a poor job handling the initial situation, but since then they've done nothing but state their case. Unfortunatly, Cutler seems to think he's bigger than anyone in the organization, which annoys me.

Punisher
03-11-2009, 11:50 AM
we're gonna stink next year when cutler gets traded

barryr
03-11-2009, 12:13 PM
Maybe the way Cutler has been acting explains why the Broncos even considered trading him in the first place. Just a thought.

prunch
03-11-2009, 12:15 PM
Workouts start, Cutler shows up, pouting or not, everybody does their jobs because they are paid to.

Time heals a few wounds.

September happens and this is but a memory.

We win a few games, we lose a few games.

BlaK-Argentina
03-11-2009, 01:00 PM
we're gonna stink next year when cutler gets traded

5 wins... tops.