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montrose
03-09-2009, 10:40 AM
Following this morning's news, what are the Broncos options if they have to go in another direction at QB? I came up with a few, what do you guys think?

1) Go with Chris Simms - Obviously already on the roster, Simms hasn't played in a few seasons but showed potential in that time.

2) Draft a 1st round QB - It's not likely, but possible that either Matthew Stafford or Mark Sanchez could fall to #12.

3) Draft a mid-round QB - A guy like Josh Freeman, Nate Davis, Rhett Bomar or Graham Harrell could be selected and compete for the job.

4) Look to another free agent - Jeff Garcia and Byron Leftwich are among the guys who could be brought in to compete.

5) Coax a QB out of retirement - Getting Brett Favre would require convincing him to comeback plus appeasing the Jets in a trade. Jake Plummer was bought out by Tampa Bay and is a free agent I believe, who visited Pat Bowlen and Dove Valley last week nonetheless.

6) Make a trade for another QB - Guys who seem like they could be available for the right deal include Donovan McNabb, Matt Hasselbeck, Marc Bulger, Jake Delhomme, David Anderson, Brady Quinn, Vince Young, Matt Leinart and John Beck.

vancejohnson82
03-09-2009, 10:43 AM
Get Quinn and Shawn Rogers in here with the Browns 3rd rounder for Cutler....

we get a young QB, and some help up front....

Tombstone RJ
03-09-2009, 10:44 AM
Following this morning's news, what are the Broncos options if they have to go in another direction at QB? I came up with a few, what do you guys think?

1) Go with Chris Simms - Obviously already on the roster, Simms hasn't played in a few seasons but showed potential in that time.

2) Draft a 1st round QB - It's not likely, but possible that either Matthew Stafford or Mark Sanchez could fall to #12.

3) Draft a mid-round QB - A guy like Josh Freeman, Nate Davis, Rhett Bomar or Graham Harrell could be selected and compete for the job.

4) Look to another free agent - Jeff Garcia and Byron Leftwich are among the guys who could be brought in to compete.

5) Coax a QB out of retirement - Getting Brett Favre would require convincing him to comeback plus appeasing the Jets in a trade. Jake Plummer was bought out by Tampa Bay and is a free agent I believe, who visited Pat Bowlen and Dove Valley last week nonetheless.

6) Make a trade for another QB - Guys who seem like they could be available for the right deal include Donovan McNabb, Matt Hasselbeck, Marc Bulger, Jake Delhomme, David Anderson, Brady Quinn, Vince Young, Matt Leinart and John Beck.

I think McX will go with Simms and draft a mid to late round QB to groom. It's a typical NE game plan and it worked with Brady.

Simms will run the show and if McX believes the Broncos can win a SB with Simms, they will stick with him. Otherwise, they will draft a QB whom they feel provides the team with the best opportunity to win a SB.

rugbythug
03-09-2009, 10:44 AM
With Denver's O-Line Many QB's available could be successful. Maybe not at the level that Cutler could be but Successful still.

Popcorn Sutton
03-09-2009, 10:45 AM
Get Quinn and Shawn Rogers in here with the Browns 3rd rounder for Cutler....

we get a young QB, and some help up front....

Umm, yeah sure... The Browns best defensive player and an up and comer QB plus a third round quarterback for a disgruntled and oft pissy Jay Cutler. Sounds fair to me...

montrose
03-09-2009, 10:47 AM
The key is getting a guy who is a decision maker and a leader - the two qualities New England values the most when it comes to QB. If we have to move him, I'd like to see us draft a guy in the mid-rounds, and bring in one of the guys on the trade list plus picks for Jay.

enjolras
03-09-2009, 10:47 AM
Umm, yeah sure... The Browns best defensive player and an up and comer QB plus a third round quarterback for a disgruntled and oft pissy Jay Cutler. Sounds fair to me...

I think that would be quite realistic actually. That's what a pro-bowl QB is worth.

vancejohnson82
03-09-2009, 10:48 AM
Umm, yeah sure... The Browns best defensive player and an up and comer QB plus a third round quarterback for a disgruntled and oft pissy Jay Cutler. Sounds fair to me...

hey, people in other threads are throwing around **** like this:

"give him to the Vikings for Adrian Peterson, their 1st and their 2nd"

at least mine holds a little bit of water

eddie mac
03-09-2009, 10:48 AM
Make Cutler play out the remainder of his contract. If he refuses to, **** his career up permanently.

vancejohnson82
03-09-2009, 10:49 AM
I think that would be quite realistic actually. That's what a pro-bowl QB is worth.

exactly....we might be forced to give up another pick in that deal but I thought it was pretty feasible

Popcorn Sutton
03-09-2009, 10:49 AM
I think that would be quite realistic actually. That's what a pro-bowl QB is worth.

I can assure you that Brown's fans disagree.

vancejohnson82
03-09-2009, 10:52 AM
http://ballhype.com/story/cutler_traded_to_the_browns/

quick internet search kind of disproves your theory....this selection of Browns fans was actually quite excited with a deal like this

one fan actually says, "have the Broncos lost it?"

so....

SoDak Bronco
03-09-2009, 10:52 AM
I haven't seen anything offically saying he isn't meeting with McD

scttgrd
03-09-2009, 10:54 AM
http://ballhype.com/story/cutler_traded_to_the_browns/

quick internet search kind of disproves your theory....this selection of Browns fans was actually quite excited with a deal like this

one fan actually says, "have the Broncos lost it?"

so....

Yes I think if they pull the trigger on Cutler they have. And so have about half the fans who think it's a good idea. Be carefull what you wish for.......

Popcorn Sutton
03-09-2009, 10:55 AM
http://ballhype.com/story/cutler_traded_to_the_browns/

quick internet search kind of disproves your theory....this selection of Browns fans was actually quite excited with a deal like this

one fan actually says, "have the Broncos lost it?"

so....

Interesting how that trade is different than what you proposed... You said Rogers, Quinn and a 3rd rounder for Cutler. That says Rogers and Quinn for Cutler and a 3rd rounder. It's actually quite different.

BTW, I should have said reasonable Browns fans won't agree with you. :thumbsup:

Tombstone RJ
03-09-2009, 10:55 AM
I don't want Brady (I'm a closet homo) Quinn.

No. Fuggin. Way.

I don't care if he's Captain Fantastic and can fling the ball a mile, cut on a dime, and simultaneously catch the same ball he just threw. My answer is stil NO.

vancejohnson82
03-09-2009, 10:58 AM
Interesting how that trade is different than what you proposed... You said Rogers, Quinn and a 3rd rounder for Cutler. That says Rogers and Quinn for Cutler and a 3rd rounder. It's actually quite different.

BTW, I should have said reasonable Browns fans won't agree with you. :thumbsup:

yes....i swung a pick our way in my proposed deal...

jonny1
03-09-2009, 10:59 AM
What "news this morning" are we talking about?

HEAV
03-09-2009, 11:00 AM
Jeff Garcia
Gus Frerotte

Bring in another FA to compete with Simms.

Trade Cutler to Detriot for the 1st overall (may have to do some later pick swapping).

With the #1 overall select the 2009 version of Cutler in Stafford.

Trade the 12th selection and get outta the 1st round in exchange for 2nd round and later round selections.

SoDak Bronco
03-09-2009, 11:01 AM
listening to KOA news now...

gyldenlove
03-09-2009, 11:04 AM
Following this morning's news, what are the Broncos options if they have to go in another direction at QB? I came up with a few, what do you guys think?

1) Go with Chris Simms - Obviously already on the roster, Simms hasn't played in a few seasons but showed potential in that time.

2) Draft a 1st round QB - It's not likely, but possible that either Matthew Stafford or Mark Sanchez could fall to #12.

3) Draft a mid-round QB - A guy like Josh Freeman, Nate Davis, Rhett Bomar or Graham Harrell could be selected and compete for the job.

4) Look to another free agent - Jeff Garcia and Byron Leftwich are among the guys who could be brought in to compete.

5) Coax a QB out of retirement - Getting Brett Favre would require convincing him to comeback plus appeasing the Jets in a trade. Jake Plummer was bought out by Tampa Bay and is a free agent I believe, who visited Pat Bowlen and Dove Valley last week nonetheless.

6) Make a trade for another QB - Guys who seem like they could be available for the right deal include Donovan McNabb, Matt Hasselbeck, Marc Bulger, Jake Delhomme, David Anderson, Brady Quinn, Vince Young, Matt Leinart and John Beck.

1. I strongly believe this won't happen. Simms has no spleen, and that is the good news. The bad news is that not even QB lover Gruden had any use for Simms.

2. You don't trade a young franchise QB for a rookie QB who would not be a 1st round pick in a strong draft. Both Flacco and Ryan would have been selected ahead of Stafford and Sanchez, not to mention the big 3 of the 2006 draft.

3. We could draft a mid round QB, but they all come with HUGE problems and would take years to get ready to perform. See Brady, Romo, Cassel (they all sat behind a good player).

4. There is a reason those guys are not signed already is that they suck. Garcia wasn't even a good QB when he had Owens. Leftwich would make our offensive line look bad, he takes so long to get a throw off that we will be giving up sacks by the barrel.

5. Favre is a goner, we saw last year that he doesn't have it anymore. Plummer could concievably come back now that Shanahan is gone, but do we really want the QB we dumped back?

6. This is the only one I believe in. I just don't know which other team would pull the trigger on a trade. On the list of QBs who have comparable value to Cutler we have: Eli Manning, Philip Rivers, Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Tony Romo, Ben Roethlisberger, Aaron Rodgers and Matt Ryan (Some a little higher, some a little lower). The Mannings, Brady, Ryan and Roethlisberger are clear untouchable. I don't think anybody would be happy with a Rivers for Cutler trade so that is out. Romo can't be traded because of his contract. Brees and Rodgers could both be traded, but really why would they?

Then we have to look at the group of players of less value, Mcnabb who has an injury history and is old, Bulger who has never been the same since his injury, ditto for Carson Palmer. Delhomme and Hasselbeck have both been close to being shown the door, their value would require at least one 1st round pick to be added to the deal. There is really no reason to trade for a QB who hasn't shown anything, we might as well draft one then.

Matt Schaub is not tradable because of his contract, and is injury prone. Chad Pennington has an injury history and is just a good game manager.


I don't see any team who could pull off the trade except Green Bay. Rodgers is young enough, he has no significant injuries and played well last year and yet Cutler would be an upgrade. Rodgers can be traded because of his contract structure.

Any other team would have to pony up more draft picks than most would consider wise in todays market.

montrose
03-09-2009, 11:04 AM
Make Cutler play out the remainder of his contract. If he refuses to, **** his career up permanently.

I agree to an extent. However if the guy refuses to show up for camp or shows up and becomes a problem in the locker room - it's not worth deteriorating the entire organization. This team has so many needs, it's conceivable a Cutler deal could provide assets to help it get better. Especially if you believe that McDaniels can work his magic with another, less physically gifted but better decision making QB.

With all that's going on, and all we know about the way New England conducts business, I have a very hard time believing that Cutler, Marshall and Scheffler will be here long-term. In fact, I could see those guys finding their way to wherever Shanny coaches in 2010. With that in mind, I'd rather not waste this season on players who won't be here so if Jay isn't "the guy", which I have my suspicions he's not, than it may be time to move on now.

manchambo
03-09-2009, 11:06 AM
You didn't include one of the better choices to get us out of this cluster-love:

Fire the coach who was stupid enough to get the team into a death struggle with its young prow-bowl QB. Then promote Dennison as "interim" head coach and make the job permanent if he does a good job.

BlaK-Argentina
03-09-2009, 11:10 AM
Jumping the gun a bit... huh?

Man-Goblin
03-09-2009, 11:10 AM
Options 3 and 6 would be my preference if Cutler has to go. Get McNabb and draft a mid-round QB to groom, I guess.

Tombstone RJ
03-09-2009, 11:12 AM
1. I strongly believe this won't happen. Simms has no spleen, and that is the good news. The bad news is that not even QB lover Gruden had any use for Simms.

2. You don't trade a young franchise QB for a rookie QB who would not be a 1st round pick in a strong draft. Both Flacco and Ryan would have been selected ahead of Stafford and Sanchez, not to mention the big 3 of the 2006 draft.

3. We could draft a mid round QB, but they all come with HUGE problems and would take years to get ready to perform. See Brady, Romo, Cassel (they all sat behind a good player).

4. There is a reason those guys are not signed already is that they suck. Garcia wasn't even a good QB when he had Owens. Leftwich would make our offensive line look bad, he takes so long to get a throw off that we will be giving up sacks by the barrel.

5. Favre is a goner, we saw last year that he doesn't have it anymore. Plummer could concievably come back now that Shanahan is gone, but do we really want the QB we dumped back?

6. This is the only one I believe in. I just don't know which other team would pull the trigger on a trade. On the list of QBs who have comparable value to Cutler we have: Eli Manning, Philip Rivers, Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Tony Romo, Ben Roethlisberger, Aaron Rodgers and Matt Ryan (Some a little higher, some a little lower). The Mannings, Brady, Ryan and Roethlisberger are clear untouchable. I don't think anybody would be happy with a Rivers for Cutler trade so that is out. Romo can't be traded because of his contract. Brees and Rodgers could both be traded, but really why would they?

Then we have to look at the group of players of less value, Mcnabb who has an injury history and is old, Bulger who has never been the same since his injury, ditto for Carson Palmer. Delhomme and Hasselbeck have both been close to being shown the door, their value would require at least one 1st round pick to be added to the deal. There is really no reason to trade for a QB who hasn't shown anything, we might as well draft one then.

Matt Schaub is not tradable because of his contract, and is injury prone. Chad Pennington has an injury history and is just a good game manager.


I don't see any team who could pull off the trade except Green Bay. Rodgers is young enough, he has no significant injuries and played well last year and yet Cutler would be an upgrade. Rodgers can be traded because of his contract structure.

Any other team would have to pony up more draft picks than most would consider wise in todays market.

I don't care if Simms has a spleen or not. My question is "does he have the right stuff, the gutts, to lead this team?"

arghemtee
03-09-2009, 11:13 AM
None. Jay Cutler will be our QB.

s0phr0syne
03-09-2009, 11:15 AM
Jumping the gun a bit... huh?

Hilarious! by a lot I think...

I guess this thread has some merit as a "What if...?" discussion, but honestly this is wayyyyyy premature. I don't get the "ready, willing, and able to move past Cutler attitude. I'm not even the biggest fan of the dude...

epicSocialism4tw
03-09-2009, 11:17 AM
Make Cutler play out the remainder of his contract. If he refuses to, **** his career up permanently.

That's exactly right.

eddie mac
03-09-2009, 11:17 AM
I agree to an extent. However if the guy refuses to show up for camp or shows up and becomes a problem in the locker room - it's not worth deteriorating the entire organization. This team has so many needs, it's conceivable a Cutler deal could provide assets to help it get better. Especially if you believe that McDaniels can work his magic with another, less physically gifted but better decision making QB.

With all that's going on, and all we know about the way New England conducts business, I have a very hard time believing that Cutler, Marshall and Scheffler will be here long-term. In fact, I could see those guys finding their way to wherever Shanny coaches in 2010. With that in mind, I'd rather not waste this season on players who won't be here so if Jay isn't "the guy", which I have my suspicions he's not, than it may be time to move on now.

He's already a ****ing problem in the locker-room, no-one can stand his ass bar his room-mate who's about to be dealt.

montrose
03-09-2009, 11:21 AM
I don't see any team who could pull off the trade except Green Bay. Rodgers is young enough, he has no significant injuries and played well last year and yet Cutler would be an upgrade. Rodgers can be traded because of his contract structure.

No way Green Bay deals Rodgers. They gave him a fat deal last season and he rewarded them with a 93.8 passer rating in his first season as a starter. You're not going to deal Cutler for an "equal value QB" as teams that value their QBs aren't going to want to give them up. In trading Jay, you have to find a team for which he's a clear and concise upgrade over their current situation. Shocking as it may sound to some, not all teams may view him as a franchise QB. If the Broncos have to make a move, they need to get as much value as they can from him - not necessarily a QB. The guy playing QB for the Broncos in 2009 needs to be the guy over the long term, in my opinion. The team is going to suck this year anyway, there's no sense in giving up value for Jay to bring in a QB to play this year who isn't the long term answer. If Jay is moved, it's got to be for as many picks as possible and if there's a QB Coach McDaniels believes can run this system long-term than that's great. However the reality is that playing 2009 with a stopgap QB or Jay Cutler if he's not in the plans long-term would be a setback to the future. It's important to develop and indoctrinate players into this program. Not just an offensive system, but a program. It's the Patriot Way. And now, it's the Bronco Way.

Jumping the gun a bit... huh?

Just wanted to discuss what the options would be if Jay had to be moved. I still think he's going to be the Broncos QB this season, I'm not sure if that's the right move but it's what I think will happen.

gyldenlove
03-09-2009, 11:36 AM
I don't care if Simms has a spleen or not. My question is "does he have the right stuff, the gutts, to lead this team?"

Clearly not, you can't have the guts when you don't have a spleen, the spleen is part of the gut.

Abdominal jokes aside, when you don't have what it takes to start ahead of Garcia, Gradkowski and Griese then you don't have it. You will never have it, you never had it, it is not part nor will it ever be part of you.

400HZ
03-09-2009, 11:46 AM
It sounds like the best option for you guys would have just been to get in line for Cassell sooner than you did.

gyldenlove
03-09-2009, 11:46 AM
No way Green Bay deals Rodgers. They gave him a fat deal last season and he rewarded them with a 93.8 passer rating in his first season as a starter. You're not going to deal Cutler for an "equal value QB" as teams that value their QBs aren't going to want to give them up. In trading Jay, you have to find a team for which he's a clear and concise upgrade over their current situation. Shocking as it may sound to some, not all teams may view him as a franchise QB. If the Broncos have to make a move, they need to get as much value as they can from him - not necessarily a QB. The guy playing QB for the Broncos in 2009 needs to be the guy over the long term, in my opinion. The team is going to suck this year anyway, there's no sense in giving up value for Jay to bring in a QB to play this year who isn't the long term answer. If Jay is moved, it's got to be for as many picks as possible and if there's a QB Coach McDaniels believes can run this system long-term than that's great. However the reality is that playing 2009 with a stopgap QB or Jay Cutler if he's not in the plans long-term would be a setback to the future. It's important to develop and indoctrinate players into this program. Not just an offensive system, but a program. It's the Patriot Way. And now, it's the Bronco Way.



It will only be the Bronco system if we win. There is no reason to plan for the future, because if we start losing a lot there will be no future in Colorado for McDaniels and his system and he is well aware of that.

McDaniels wasn't hired to rebuild the club, he was hired to improve on 8-8. You don't improve on 8-8 by making the team worse.

What I am trying to say is that there is no way McDaniels will trade Cutler unless he gets something good in return, and unless that something is a good QB, then the package would be so big that no team will pull the trigger.

Would Tampa Bay trade their 1st and 2nd this year and their 1st and 2nd next year and a good player for Cutler? I doubt it. Would the Lions give both their 1st round picks, 2nd round pick and a player? I just don't think any team can justify giving up that much.

frerottenextelway
03-09-2009, 11:46 AM
Maybe Josh has another friend, brother or cousin he can bring in and just hand him or her the QB spot...

Drek
03-09-2009, 11:50 AM
Clearly not, you can't have the guts when you don't have a spleen, the spleen is part of the gut.

Abdominal jokes aside, when you don't have what it takes to start ahead of Garcia, Gradkowski and Griese then you don't have it. You will never have it, you never had it, it is not part nor will it ever be part of you.

Simms won the starting job in his third year and only ever lost it due to injury. Just because Gruden can't handle a relationship with someone who isn't immediately winning games doesn't mean Simms couldn't get the job done.

I'd be fine with Simms as our starter for a couple seasons while McDaniels grooms a long term stud.

Tombstone RJ
03-09-2009, 11:57 AM
Clearly not, you can't have the guts when you don't have a spleen, the spleen is part of the gut.

Abdominal jokes aside, when you don't have what it takes to start ahead of Garcia, Gradkowski and Griese then you don't have it. You will never have it, you never had it, it is not part nor will it ever be part of you.

I get where your coming from dude, but let's be honest, Gruden is a moron.

scttgrd
03-09-2009, 11:59 AM
It's amazing how Jay Cutler has turned into the antichrist in the last couple of weeks. Where were all these reports of his misdeeds a month ago? Oh, and any damn proof would be good. Talk about turning on a guy in a second.

montrose
03-09-2009, 12:00 PM
It will only be the Bronco system if we win.

I agree to an extent. I think that'll be the view around the league. But McDaniels only knows the Belichick-way of operations as it's the only NFL team he's worked under. He's going to implement that structure as best he can.

There is no reason to plan for the future, because if we start losing a lot there will be no future in Colorado for McDaniels and his system and he is well aware of that.

There's no way Bowlen can afford to fire him until Shanny's deal runs out.

McDaniels wasn't hired to rebuild the club, he was hired to improve on 8-8. You don't improve on 8-8 by making the team worse.

I think it's clear McDaniels role with the team has changed from his hire date and he's accumulated more power/pull. I think Bowlen is buying what McDaniels is selling him and instead of hearing "Super Bowl this year boss" from Shanny he's hearing, "Boss, it's going to take a while." As much as Pat would like to hear the former, my guess is that he's more inclined to believe the ladder.

What I am trying to say is that there is no way McDaniels will trade Cutler unless he gets something good in return, and unless that something is a good QB, then the package would be so big that no team will pull the trigger.

Would Tampa Bay trade their 1st and 2nd this year and their 1st and 2nd next year and a good player for Cutler? I doubt it. Would the Lions give both their 1st round picks, 2nd round pick and a player? I just don't think any team can justify giving up that much.

I do agree with this, I just don't think we're going to get the pick value I'd like because of the current state of things economically. That's why I think we'll be stuck with Jay this season, then we'll deal him to Shanny next year and have to start all over again in 2010 after wasting 2009.

TheDave
03-09-2009, 12:27 PM
Cutler's going to be our QB... everybody relax.

Pony Boy
03-09-2009, 12:31 PM
Picking up Bomar in a late round is not an option. Car sales are way too slow in Denver to put some extra change in his pockets .

Tombstone RJ
03-09-2009, 12:32 PM
I really don't see the Broncos being much worse than 8-8 in 2009. If Cutler is the QB, with a running game and a respectable defense, then I see improvement.

If Cutler is not the QB (the premis of this thread) then I still see the Broncos winning 6-8 games. Why?--defense. Why?--running game. Why?--best oline in the nfl.

Unless the team just does not want to play for McD and Noland, I just don't see this team losing significantly more games in 2009 than it did in 2008.

Also, keep in mind that other teams will not know how to game plan against the Broncos. Also, I think strength of schedule is a phantom barrier. There's too much parity in the NFL to think that one year's schedule is much different in strength than the next year's schedule.

So to summarize: Cutler with Broncos means playoffs. Cutler gone from Broncos means around 8 wins, give or take.

azbroncfan
03-09-2009, 12:59 PM
I think the proper choice should be there is no option until Cutler is gone. If he is traded there will be another QB coming as part of the deal.

ZONA
03-09-2009, 01:33 PM
Yeah, what frickin "news" are we talking about here? How pathetic for the thread owner to just say "news" in general and start getting people to talk about other QB options for this team and give no reason for the discussion.

Don't be an a$$hat - if you have something new to say regarding Cutler that hasn't been talked about previously, let us know. If you don't have anything new to say, STFU.

There was no meeting but that doesn't man jack.

Ramathorn
03-09-2009, 03:04 PM
Get Quinn and Shawn Rogers in here with the Browns 3rd rounder for Cutler....

we get a young QB, and some help up front....


I agree. I thought cutler would be great for us. But he does bitch and whine all the freaking time. He is not mature enough to lead a team to the holy grail. I say trade him for rodgers and quinn.

Broncojef
03-09-2009, 03:39 PM
Yeah, what frickin "news" are we talking about here? How pathetic for the thread owner to just say "news" in general and start getting people to talk about other QB options for this team and give no reason for the discussion.

Don't be an a$$hat - if you have something new to say regarding Cutler that hasn't been talked about previously, let us know. If you don't have anything new to say, STFU.

There was no meeting but that doesn't man jack.

I think he was talking about the following Mr. Excitable:

Adam Shefter just reported on KOA Radio Cutler and the Broncos will not meet
anytime in the near future though he did say both sides will have to work this out.

Popps
03-09-2009, 03:56 PM
I really don't see the Broncos being much worse than 8-8 in 2009. If Cutler is the QB, with a running game and a respectable defense, then I see improvement.

If Cutler is not the QB (the premis of this thread) then I still see the Broncos winning 6-8 games. Why?--defense. Why?--running game. Why?--best oline in the nfl.

Unless the team just does not want to play for McD and Noland, I just don't see this team losing significantly more games in 2009 than it did in 2008.

Also, keep in mind that other teams will not know how to game plan against the Broncos. Also, I think strength of schedule is a phantom barrier. There's too much parity in the NFL to think that one year's schedule is much different in strength than the next year's schedule.

So to summarize: Cutler with Broncos means playoffs. Cutler gone from Broncos means around 8 wins, give or take.


Good roundup. There ARE a lot of pieces in place, and even a 30% improvement on defense should make for a competitive season.

But, make no mistake... I hope we work this out with Cutler. I don't like how he's handled this, but I'm holding out hope he'll grow up and combine all of that talent with an attitude of a leader.

TDmvp
03-09-2009, 04:01 PM
if we lose Cutler I'm done . I'll hope we fail and Mcdouche gets fired and I'll cheer for the team with it's next coach ... But if Josh loses this kid who we basically have waited 10 years for , someone not scared of Johns shoes , and not a stop gap like Jake or the others .... I will remain a fan , but not like i was and WILL be so happy if Josh fails and is replaced...

theAPAOps5
03-09-2009, 04:03 PM
if we lose Cutler I'm done . I'll hope we fail and Mcdouche gets fired and I'll cheer for the team with it's next coach ... But if Josh loses this kid who we basically have waited 10 years for , someone not scared of Johns shoes , and not a stop gap like Jake or the others .... I will remain a fan , but not like i was and WILL be so happy if Josh fails and is replaced...

So I can lump you into the Denver Cutlers fans. Pretty sad my friend, you are better than that.

TDmvp
03-09-2009, 04:06 PM
So I can lump you into the Denver Cutlers fans. Pretty sad my friend, you are better than that.



Well if i have to pick between Cutler and Josh , Cutler is going to win every time .... I'll always love the team second only to my family .

But to watch a unproven McDouche F up what i have waited 10 years for is crossing the line with me as far as loyalty to a coach ...

Broncojef
03-09-2009, 04:07 PM
if we lose Cutler I'm done . I'll hope we fail and Mcdouche gets fired and I'll cheer for the team with it's next coach ... But if Josh loses this kid who we basically have waited 10 years for , someone not scared of Johns shoes , and not a stop gap like Jake or the others .... I will remain a fan , but not like i was and WILL be so happy if Josh fails and is replaced...

Meh...I can live with or without Cutler. I'm a Bronco fan if he's that dead set on leaving just cause his buddy is gone and Josh had the audacity to answer a phone and listen to a smokin deal then so be it, go throw INTs and whine somewhere else. I'll still be drinkin beers and screamin for the Broncos with or without him.

theAPAOps5
03-09-2009, 04:08 PM
Well if i have to pick between Cutler and Josh , Cutler is going to win every time .... I'll always love the team second only to my family .

But to watch a unproven McDouche F up what i have waited 10 years for is crossing the line with me as far as loyalty to a coach ...

Ummm just want to clue you in. Cutler hasn't done ****.

Tombstone RJ
03-09-2009, 04:10 PM
Good roundup. There ARE a lot of pieces in place, and even a 30% improvement on defense should make for a competitive season.

But, make no mistake... I hope we work this out with Cutler. I don't like how he's handled this, but I'm holding out hope he'll grow up and combine all of that talent with an attitude of a leader.

Agreed. I want Cutler to be the Broncos QB. He's about ready to reach his prime and to let him walk now is counter productive.

Even if McX get a Hershell Walker deal from a team like Minn., does it really get the team that much closer to a championship? No, it does not.

We all know Cutler and what he brings to the table. That right there is huge in piecing together a championship team. It may take him a few more years to mature as an adult/professional athlete. But if he gets the right role models around him (Dawkins) and he is serious about growing up, then I think he's a SB winning QB.

Better yet, I'd like to see a young McX and Cutler iron things out, get past each's mistakes, and have the one goal of winning a SB. Is that too much to ask?

Broncojef
03-09-2009, 04:11 PM
Ummm just want to clue you in. Cutler hasn't done ****.

If he leaves you'll never see 7-9 or 8-8 ever again ever!!!

theAPAOps5
03-09-2009, 04:11 PM
Agreed. I want Cutler to be the Broncos QB. He's about ready to reach his prime and to let him walk now is counter productive.

Even if McX get a Hershell Walker deal from a team like Minn., does it really get the team that much closer to a championship? No, it does not.

We all know Cutler and what he brings to the table. That right there is huge in piecing together a championship team. It may take him a few more years to mature as an adult/professional athlete. But if he gets the right role models around him (Dawkins) and he is serious about growing up, then I think he's a SB winning QB.

Better yet, I'd like to see a young McX and Cutler iron things out, get past each's mistakes, and have the one goal of winning a SB. Is that too much to ask?

Agree they just need to put on some comfortable snuggies and hug it out! :)

azbroncfan
03-09-2009, 04:16 PM
If he leaves you'll never see 7-9 or 8-8 ever again ever!!!

If that is as good as he can do deal him.

theAPAOps5
03-09-2009, 04:17 PM
If he leaves you'll never see 7-9 or 8-8 ever again ever!!!

Well Shanny was booted because of 7-8 and 8-8. The point is to win more than that.

Broncojef
03-09-2009, 04:17 PM
If that is as good as he can do deal him.

Schefter is on 850 right now.

Broncojef
03-09-2009, 04:18 PM
Well Shanny was booted because of 7-8 and 8-8. Thats a retarded statement. The point is to win more than that.

Sorry was joking/sarcasm.

theAPAOps5
03-09-2009, 04:18 PM
Schefter is on 850 right now.

Whats he saying?

theAPAOps5
03-09-2009, 04:19 PM
Sorry was joking/sarcasm.
I was wondering as your general tone wasn't like that! :rofl:

Broncojef
03-09-2009, 04:26 PM
Schefter says;

1) Doesn't know where the mtg today was publicized but doesn't think there will be a mtg this week.

2) Stated NFL teams successes are in large part due to QB and thinks drafting a young kid is a bad move (surprise).

3) McD was unsure of Cutler and his attitude and was interested in getting a known commodity in Cassel.

4) Basically both sides are at a stand-off, repeated Jay has historically held grudges and won't let things go..aka Rivers etc..

Dave Logan says McD should fly to Tennessee and hound Jay until they meet.
Dave thinks if something doesn't get done at some point the Broncos will say enough and rid the team of his services.

Broncojef
03-09-2009, 04:27 PM
Schefter also mentioned that Cutler is under contract for three years and a hold-out, if thats what he's planning, is not in his best interest.

theAPAOps5
03-09-2009, 04:30 PM
Thanks Broncojef, curious was Schefter saying what he thinks or did he hear from sources about McDaniels doubting his attitude.

Broncojef
03-09-2009, 04:32 PM
Thanks Broncojef, curious was Schefter saying what he thinks or did he hear from sources about McDaniels doubting his attitude.

Didn't really hit that too hard was more focused on Cassel and the great working relationship he had along with his work ethic. his tone insinuated Jay was an unknown and thus the reason he explored the trade interest.

Rohirrim
03-09-2009, 04:39 PM
I agree to an extent. However if the guy refuses to show up for camp or shows up and becomes a problem in the locker room - it's not worth deteriorating the entire organization. This team has so many needs, it's conceivable a Cutler deal could provide assets to help it get better. Especially if you believe that McDaniels can work his magic with another, less physically gifted but better decision making QB.

With all that's going on, and all we know about the way New England conducts business, I have a very hard time believing that Cutler, Marshall and Scheffler will be here long-term. In fact, I could see those guys finding their way to wherever Shanny coaches in 2010. With that in mind, I'd rather not waste this season on players who won't be here so if Jay isn't "the guy", which I have my suspicions he's not, than it may be time to move on now.

I think Josh should bring Jay in, give him some Midol and buy him a Snuggie and take him out to dinner. Make him happy. Get him to play well this season. Then, trade him next year and get Mount Cody. ;D

Seriously, if Sanchez was there at 12, I'd take him.

OABB
03-09-2009, 04:59 PM
I think all of this drama is ultimately good for our team. It has the potential to destroy our team of course, but something tells me this is going to be a catalyst for a season of hard fought, tough wins. Cutler is a competitor, for better or for worse, and for the people that think he is a whiny little boy, they should do some research about what his teammates and previous coaches have to say about him.

He is a tough kid, bright and stubborn. He has the potential to do really great things in his career, if he chooses too. He seems like a stand-up guy to me. I find his candor to be refreshing. This is a league where athletes are taught "how to speak to the media", and here is a guy that believes in being honest at all costs. 50 years ago, that was considered honorable, even if it can be argued that it is misguided.

He never bad mouthed a teammate, or even a coach. He is not t.o. He said he was upset with shanny's firing, and I don't blame him. He doesn't like how Rivers acted, and I don't blame him for that either(although Rivers showed his maturity last year). He said his arm was stronger than Elway's when asked, and he may be right about that as well.

He is honest. and if you are going to be a leader amongst men, this is a trait that cannot be overlooked. I don't hear anyone in the locker room badmouthing jay, I only hear it here....in the land of the sandy vagina's known as the mane.

elsid13
03-09-2009, 05:30 PM
I think all of this drama is ultimately good for our team. It has the potential to destroy our team of course, but something tells me this is going to be a catalyst for a season of hard fought, tough wins. Cutler is a competitor, for better or for worse, and for the people that think he is a whiny little boy, they should do some research about what his teammates and previous coaches have to say about him.

He is a tough kid, bright and stubborn. He has the potential to do really great things in his career, if he chooses too. He seems like a stand-up guy to me. I find his candor to be refreshing. This is a league where athletes are taught "how to speak to the media", and here is a guy that believes in being honest at all costs. 50 years ago, that was considered honorable, even if it can be argued that it is misguided.

He never bad mouthed a teammate, or even a coach. He is not t.o. He said he was upset with shanny's firing, and I don't blame him. He doesn't like how Rivers acted, and I don't blame him for that either(although Rivers showed his maturity last year). He said his arm was stronger than Elway's when asked, and he may be right about that as well.

He is honest. and if you are going to be a leader amongst men, this is a trait that cannot be overlooked. I don't hear anyone in the locker room badmouthing jay, I only hear it here....in the land of the sandy vagina's known as the mane.


Nice post.

Premier-Ace55
03-09-2009, 06:34 PM
I'm sorry I don't live in Denver what was the news this morning i thought that they haven't even met yet???

Bronco Yoda
03-10-2009, 02:29 AM
I'm sorry I don't live in Denver what was the news this morning i thought that they haven't even met yet???

Apparently if Jay goes we'll have to change our colors and logo again and change the teams stationary from the Denver Cutlers back to the Denver Broncos.

Killericon
03-10-2009, 02:31 AM
http://ballhype.com/story/cutler_traded_to_the_browns/

quick internet search kind of disproves your theory....this selection of Browns fans was actually quite excited with a deal like this

one fan actually says, "have the Broncos lost it?"

so....

The fans certainly have.

Merlin
03-10-2009, 12:16 PM
Schefter says;
3) McD was unsure of Cutler and his attitude and was interested in getting a known commodity in Cassel.
So all the MacD fans that have been hanging off his jock like to quote Shefter to argue MacD was not interested in the trade, yet Shefter CLEARLY states that MacD was interested in getting Cassel. Anyone who can defend the trade for Cassel and the choices discussed with Tampa really has a some man love for the new coach.

As to what has Cutler proven? Far more at QB than MacD has at HC.

BTW, being pissed at MacD and liking your QB does not make one a Cutler fan over a Denver fan.

No matter how this turns out this was a cluster f($& and people who are arguing Cutler is a primadona are giving far too much credit to MacD because his actions do not speak well of him either. In fact, it is easier to argue that MacD is being the primadona when he is willing to destroy the one area that was clear Denver could dominate in, offence.

The above notwithstanding, I hope he does well and DOES NOT trade are prized young players. If some posters are right and these guys endup at Shanny's final resting place next yr, he could make us hate next yr for the next decade.

Popps
03-10-2009, 12:23 PM
He is honest. and if you are going to be a leader amongst men, this is a trait that cannot be overlooked. I don't hear anyone in the locker room badmouthing jay, I only hear it here....in the land of the sandy vagina's known as the mane.

You never hear that. Even Terrell Owens' teammates never badmouth him, or VERY rarely. It's a big-time taboo.

I'm not saying you're wrong. I think Jay's teammates are mostly fine with him, if I had to guess. But, players not bitching about him isn't a real barometer.