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titan
03-07-2009, 08:39 PM
See Mike Klis' article from the Post about Van Pelt, Plummer, and no established kickers brought in to challenge Prater:

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_11862663?source=rss

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Would have been interesting to be a fly on the wall to hear the Plummer/Bowlen conversation. I'm still not sure about Prater - I was hoping they'd bring in more competition for him.

tsiguy96
03-07-2009, 08:43 PM
i think the idea is similar to shanahan, when a position is so affected by mental blocks, like a skilled QB or kicker, sometimes showing confidence in them and removing competition rather then bringing in competition works out for the better.

BroncoDoug
03-07-2009, 08:54 PM
Hmm, I wonder what Plummer and Bowlen had to say? Seems kinda randome just to mention a one sentance blurb at the end of an article....

broncos-rock
03-07-2009, 09:00 PM
Bowlen probably told him to knock off the Jeff George/Cutler comparsions!

rovolution
03-07-2009, 09:02 PM
Jake probably came back b/c his true beef was with Coach Shanahan, not the Broncos organization. No Shanahan, everything is good with the Broncos for him once more.

Dove Valley must be real anti-Shanny these days.

Sassy
03-07-2009, 09:10 PM
Jake as backup? ;D

BroncoDoug
03-07-2009, 09:16 PM
Jake as backup? ;D

Ha, I wish...It would give me a reason to bust out my plummer jersey again

Sassy
03-07-2009, 09:17 PM
Ha, I wish...It would give me a reason to bust out my plummer jersey again

Doesn't he have a contract with Tampa? or ??

BroncoDoug
03-07-2009, 09:22 PM
Doesn't he have a contract with Tampa? or ??

I think he paid back part of the bonus...so he's free

Sassy
03-07-2009, 09:33 PM
No official retirement papers???
That line thrown in the article is just strange....

razorwire77
03-07-2009, 09:47 PM
Jake is done.

Prater will get another year.

Guys that run in the 4.79-4.85 40 range don't play safety in the NFL.

UberBroncoMan
03-07-2009, 09:52 PM
Plummer is coming back to be our team handball trainer!

BroncoMan4ever
03-07-2009, 10:00 PM
i'd gladly welcome Jake back as a backup to Jay. and i would give Van Pelt a shot at Safety too, he was one of the most athletically gifted college players i have seen(granted he didn't have a great 40 time), and he has the NFL pedigree in his genetics. wouldn't be a bad thing to give the guy a shot. at the worst he doesn't make the roster and whatever he does he is better than the absolute garbage we had last season.

extralife
03-07-2009, 10:09 PM
Jake probably came back b/c his true beef was with Coach Shanahan, not the Broncos organization.

Plummer didn't like the Denver fans a whole lot either.

I still think he could find a starting job in the league if he wanted one. QB play is pretty terrible taken as a whole and he definitely brings something to the table. He must really hate football, because he was the perfect John Gruden QB. I think it would have worked out pretty well for him in TB for a while (until Gruden inevitably got bored with him and threw him under the bus.)

There's no chance BVP makes an NFL roster as a safety. He's been out of the league for a few years and he's never played the position in his life. Does anyone really think he can offer something at the position that college players actually playing safety couldn't?

tsiguy96
03-07-2009, 10:14 PM
Plummer didn't like the Denver fans a whole lot either.

I still think he could find a starting job in the league if he wanted one. QB play is pretty terrible taken as a whole and he definitely brings something to the table. He must really hate football, because he was the perfect John Gruden QB. I think it would have worked out pretty well for him in TB for a while (until Gruden inevitably got bored with him and threw him under the bus.)

There's no chance BVP makes an NFL roster as a safety. He's been out of the league for a few years and he's never played the position in his life. Does anyone really think he can offer something at the position that college players actually playing safety couldn't?

its not that he hated football, but he hated all the stuff associated with it. didnt want to do the training camps, all the weightlifting (thought it was unnecessary) and hated feeling like **** after the season. said he loves having working joints and anyone who has seen john elway cant blame him, hes falling apart it looks like. he made a lot of money in the NFL then moved on when he didnt like it, cant really blame him.

Kaylore
03-07-2009, 10:35 PM
Jake also turns 35 in December.

BABronco
03-07-2009, 10:52 PM
Plummer didn't like the Denver fans a whole lot either.

I still think he could find a starting job in the league if he wanted one. QB play is pretty terrible taken as a whole and he definitely brings something to the table. He must really hate football, because he was the perfect John Gruden QB. I think it would have worked out pretty well for him in TB for a while (until Gruden inevitably got bored with him and threw him under the bus.)

There's no chance BVP makes an NFL roster as a safety. He's been out of the league for a few years and he's never played the position in his life. Does anyone really think he can offer something at the position that college players actually playing safety couldn't?

Yes... entertainment

SouthStndJunkie
03-07-2009, 11:02 PM
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Taco John
03-07-2009, 11:13 PM
Jake's coming in to be Quarterback coach.

Popps
03-08-2009, 01:19 AM
Jake's coming in to be Quarterback coach.




:spit:

16slayer24
03-08-2009, 03:56 AM
wasnt jake a winning QB in denver????

tsiguy96
03-08-2009, 04:32 AM
wasnt jake a winning QB in denver????

didnt jake have a pretty good defense as QB in denver? averaged like 4ppg less than cutler has so far.

UberBroncoMan
03-08-2009, 06:10 AM
didnt jake have a pretty good defense as QB in denver? averaged like 4ppg less than cutler has so far.

Our D with Jake, won in spite of him many times. In 2005 Jake didn't have a ton of TO's so what we did get done on offense was complimented well by a stellar defense.

Beantown Bronco
03-08-2009, 06:52 AM
Guys that run in the 4.79-4.85 40 range don't play safety in the NFL.

*cough* John Lynch *cough*

And now I know at least one person that hasn't been following this year's combine:

http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/2009/profiles.cfm?pos=SS

backup qb
03-08-2009, 08:12 AM
First off, Plummer isn't coming as a backup when you just paid Simms 3mill+ a yr for the job. Maybe that was sarcasm when mentioned, if so, disregard previous statement. Secondly, Plummer would've crashed and burned 4 games into the season with Gruden. Gruden doesn't tolerate mistakes and would've yanked him for the Mccown, Griese, whoever the back up was at that time. Van Pelt? Why even waste the time and energy to speculate?

Swedish Extrovert
03-08-2009, 08:30 AM
i'd gladly welcome Jake back as a backup to Jay. and i would give Van Pelt a shot at Safety too, he was one of the most athletically gifted college players i have seen(granted he didn't have a great 40 time), and he has the NFL pedigree in his genetics. wouldn't be a bad thing to give the guy a shot. at the worst he doesn't make the roster and whatever he does he is better than the absolute garbage we had last season.

That's right about Van Pelts 40 time, but I remember watching him and thinking he would. He played a lot faster than that 4.8 time he logged.

I say give him a shot. He grew up quickly in the NFL, and can be a real leader.

Judging by the article, it's hard to tell what the intentions are of bringing Plummer to Denver. He's been out of football for three years and is pushing 40. I don't know much about his rapport with Cutler, but maybe it IS to bring him in as a backup, or perhaps assistant QB coach? I remember the rumors about Cutler asking for a trade once the Broncos fired Bates, maybe they're bringing in Jake to help cool down Jay.

Jake's coming in to be Quarterback coach.

I wouldn't rule this out.

BroncoInferno
03-08-2009, 08:47 AM
I bet we draft a kicker somewhere in rounds 5-7 to come in and compete with Prater.

GoHAM
03-08-2009, 09:30 AM
I bet we draft a kicker somewhere in rounds 5-7 to come in and compete with Prater.

I doubt we waste a draft pick on one. My guess is a UDFA.

BroncoInferno
03-08-2009, 09:45 AM
I doubt we waste a draft pick on one. My guess is a UDFA.

It's not necessarily a waste. The Pats got Grotowski in the draft.

Cito Pelon
03-08-2009, 10:08 AM
I heard Bradlee would be the next James Bond. I guess he's getting some background material for the next film.

broncosteven
03-08-2009, 12:49 PM
wasnt jake a winning QB in denver????

Until the Playoffs. What is his Playoff record 1 - 3?

I don't think he has placed higher than 2nd in organized Mens Handball tourneys either but I can't find a site that lists his Handball career stats.

BroncoDoug
03-08-2009, 12:53 PM
That's right about Van Pelts 40 time, but I remember watching him and thinking he would. He played a lot faster than that 4.8 time he logged.

I say give him a shot. He grew up quickly in the NFL, and can be a real leader.

Judging by the article, it's hard to tell what the intentions are of bringing Plummer to Denver. He's been out of football for three years and is pushing 40. I don't know much about his rapport with Cutler, but maybe it IS to bring him in as a backup, or perhaps assistant QB coach? I remember the rumors about Cutler asking for a trade once the Broncos fired Bates, maybe they're bringing in Jake to help cool down Jay.



I wouldn't rule this out.


You make some good points, but Plummer is only 34....

Merlin
03-08-2009, 03:02 PM
Until the Playoffs. What is his Playoff record 1 - 3?
He has at least 2 wins.

Gort
03-09-2009, 08:00 AM
Jake's coming in to be Quarterback coach.

Jay already knows how to commit turnovers? so what's Jake going to teach him? left handed throws into triple coverage???

Rigs11
03-09-2009, 08:20 AM
Jay already knows how to commit turnovers? so what's Jake going to teach him? left handed throws into triple coverage???

Gee maybe he can teach Jay how to be a leader instead of a whiny ass biatch

Master___Pain
03-09-2009, 08:22 AM
And I thought BVP at QB was hilarious

VanPelt at safety...:rofl:

bronco militia
03-09-2009, 08:24 AM
Gee maybe he can teach Jay how to be a leader instead of a whiny ass biatch

bull****...Jake already taught him everything he knows..

or did you forget about the part where Jake Plummer took his ball and went home when the coach decided to start the new kid instead.

bronco militia
03-09-2009, 08:25 AM
:ouwknow:

Los Broncos
03-09-2009, 08:32 AM
Plummer is coming in to teach Jay on the middle finger.

Swedish Extrovert
03-09-2009, 08:35 AM
You make some good points, but Plummer is only 34....

For some reason I thought he was 37. He's YOUNG considering how long he played. Maybe he hasn't been out for that long... I haven't been following the Broncos since I left Denver. I wish I could.

Rigs11
03-09-2009, 08:40 AM
bull****...Jake already taught him everything he knows..

or did you forget about the part where Jake Plummer took his ball and went home when the coach decided to start the new kid instead.yeah because it made alot of sense to draft a an after going 13-3 with plummer. It made slot of sense to start jay when the broncos were 7-4. You can at least admit that plummer had more heart than emo jay.

bronco militia
03-09-2009, 08:42 AM
You can at least admit that plummer had more heart than emo jay.


jake plummer sealed his legacy by quiting....

Jay still has a chance to repair his.

Kaylore
03-09-2009, 08:54 AM
yeah because it made alot of sense to draft a an after going 13-3 with plummer. It made slot of sense to start jay when the broncos were 7-4. You can at least admit that plummer had more heart than emo jay.

LOL Yeah that's it. He had more heart. Never mind our offense got better under Jay and never mind Cutler put up more points. Let's not forget that Plummer couldn't throw over the middle and the defense and rest of the team were pulling his sorry ass along all season before he played his way out of the starting position.

Plummer sucked that year. Jay outplayed him in the preseason and in camp. Despite this Shanahan made Plummer the starter. Jake picked up right where he left off in the AFCCG. The first game against the Rams our defense stopped the Rams five times after Jake kept giving the ball away over and over. Three ints and two fumbles later the Rams won on 6 field goals. Yes despite the best efforts of our defense, who on one drive managed to push the Rams offense back out of field goal range after a Jake sack-fumble, we were unable to put any points up.

But he had more heart! YAY!
http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l244/arnottt/Stuff/Ma-Ti.jpg?t=1236614129


That pretty much set the tone for the season. Jake continued to stumble around looking like a guy afraid to play. It didn't matter who we played, Jake was being led by his team. People saying "but he was 7-4!" are a joke. If we had a QB with any kind of functionality taking snaps from center that year we'd have been 9-2 at that point. Does Jake win the Seahawks game and take us to the playoffs? Yeah, but we'd just get bounced in the first round. Shanahan knew this and started Jay.

As for Van Pelt, my condolences to him and his family. That's rough news about his Dad. Bradlee's bull-headed refusal to change positions when he should have are why he won't be a pro-football player and will instead be playing co-ed soccer again.

bronco militia
03-09-2009, 08:58 AM
But he had more heart! YAY!
http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l244/arnottt/Stuff/Ma-Ti.jpg?t=1236614129


.

LMAO! wtf is that?

ludo21
03-09-2009, 09:15 AM
is that from Captain Planet Kaylore? WTF indeed.

Kaylore
03-09-2009, 09:44 AM
LMAO! wtf is that?

It's Ma-ti! He's a planeteer from captain planet. He had the power of heart!:strong:

bronco militia
03-09-2009, 09:45 AM
It's Ma-ti! He's a planeteer from captain planet. He had the power of heart!:strong:


LOL LOL

Arkie
03-09-2009, 10:33 AM
didnt jake have a pretty good defense as QB in denver? averaged like 4ppg less than cutler has so far.

Jake took his defense out for steaks. He hung out with them which is unheard of for a QB. I wonder why those same guys that were on pace for fewest points allowed in a season suddenly become the worst scoring defense in the league once Jay took over halfway through '06? Team chemistry is a strange thing. Especially on an elite level where the physical differences are like 5% and the rest is mental.

Pontius Pirate
03-09-2009, 10:47 AM
jake plummer sealed his legacy by quiting....

Jay still has a chance to repair his.

Let that be a lesson to you people who are thinking about retiring: only quitters retire!

bronco militia
03-09-2009, 10:54 AM
Let that be a lesson to you people who are thinking about retiring: only quitters retire!

my bad, he showed a lot of heart by retiring early

Ha! Ha!

Kaylore
03-09-2009, 11:05 AM
Jake took his defense out for steaks. He hung out with them which is unheard of for a QB. I wonder why those same guys that were on pace for fewest points allowed in a season suddenly become the worst scoring defense in the league once Jay took over halfway through '06? Team chemistry is a strange thing. Especially on an elite level where the physical differences are like 5% and the rest is mental.

Yeah it has nothing to do with Al Wilson breaking his neck or time catching up with our safeties. Nothing to do with firing our best defensive coordinator in the last 15 years, changing schemes in '07 and then changing schemes again in '08 and hiring a moron to run it. No, no! Our defense got worse because they stopped eating steaks at earls!

Oh if only we had known! If only Jay had realized that the key to our poor pass rush was they weren't being fed prime rib on a weekly basis!:pity:

Here I was thinking our team needs better coaching and personnel and Arkie and Rigs11 have identified the problem as a simple lack of heart and deficiency in eating out!

What fools we all look.:pity:

montrose
03-09-2009, 11:27 AM
On a personal note about Jake, considering over the lifespan of an NFL franchise you're not always going to have a franchise QB - Jake was a pretty bad @$$ stopgap. Yeah he wasn't the best QB but he was fun to watch at times and he played as hard as anyone on the team. I'll never put him in the same warm and fuzzy area I keep Elway, but he sure as hell isn't in the **** off area where SOB lives. Plummer was a good Bronco and I'll always remember him fondly.

LOL Yeah that's it. He had more heart. Never mind our offense got better under Jay and never mind Cutler put up more points. Let's not forget that Plummer couldn't throw over the middle and the defense and rest of the team were pulling his sorry ass along all season before he played his way out of the starting position.

Plummer sucked that year. Jay outplayed him in the preseason and in camp. Despite this Shanahan made Plummer the starter. Jake picked up right where he left off in the AFCCG. The first game against the Rams our defense stopped the Rams five times after Jake kept giving the ball away over and over. Three ints and two fumbles later the Rams won on 6 field goals. Yes despite the best efforts of our defense, who on one drive managed to push the Rams offense back out of field goal range after a Jake sack-fumble, we were unable to put any points up.

But he had more heart! YAY!
http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l244/arnottt/Stuff/Ma-Ti.jpg?t=1236614129

That pretty much set the tone for the season. Jake continued to stumble around looking like a guy afraid to play. It didn't matter who we played, Jake was being led by his team. People saying "but he was 7-4!" are a joke. If we had a QB with any kind of functionality taking snaps from center that year we'd have been 9-2 at that point. Does Jake win the Seahawks game and take us to the playoffs? Yeah, but we'd just get bounced in the first round. Shanahan knew this and started Jay.

Mad props for any Captain Planet reference. At the time, I wished we had taken one more shot with that group. Still making the move for Walker but keeping the two 1st rounders and adding a RB and DE. I thought hosting the AFC Title Game, we should've given that group plus a few more toys the chance to get back there. The second Cutler was drafted Jake folded, and it was obvious as hell. Since then, I've been glad we moved on as I thought we were setup to be a Super Bowl team for years to come - however over the last year I've begun to have my doubts if we're anything more than the circa 2005 Cincinnati Bengals. Thankfully, we're moving in a new direction and I'm excited to see what's going to happen. At the very least, I no longer have to watch Bob Slowik coordinate our defense!

Yeah it has nothing to do with Al Wilson breaking his neck or time catching up with our safeties. Nothing to do with firing our best defensive coordinator in the last 15 years, changing schemes in '07 and then changing schemes again in '08 and hiring a moron to run it. No, no! Our defense got worse because they stopped eating steaks at earls!

Oh if only we had known! If only Jay had realized that the key to our poor pass rush was they weren't being fed prime rib on a weekly basis!:pity:

Here I was thinking our team needs better coaching and personnel and Arkie and Rigs11 have identified the problem as a simple lack of heart and deficiency in eating out!

LOL In fairness to Arkie, I do think Plummer was really respected and borderline beloved by his teammates. I'm not saying that Cutler has much of anything to do with the defenses suckiness, but my guess is that those guys did really like Plummer. Jake, Al and Rod were a trio of leaders we don't have anything near right now. Graham is a good leader, and Champ and DJ are quiet guys respected by the locker room, but the fact that Jay isn't the unquestioned leader of this team yet is disappointing.

broncosteven
03-09-2009, 11:38 AM
Jake took his defense out for steaks. He hung out with them which is unheard of for a QB. I wonder why those same guys that were on pace for fewest points allowed in a season suddenly become the worst scoring defense in the league once Jay took over halfway through '06? Team chemistry is a strange thing. Especially on an elite level where the physical differences are like 5% and the rest is mental.

I thought Al Wilson took the D out every week on his dime?

I never read about Jake doing it but I am sure he could have, John did stuff with the Oline.

I kinda remember AL saying he was taking the D out every week but that near his contract negotiations it kind of fizzled out because guys had lives of their own and it got boring.

Bonding experiences are nice but they don't make SB teams, the flute player and clarinet players in the Chicago Symphony during it's prime had a feud and would not talk to each other, they still managed to do their jobs to the highest level. They used their Beethoven's 7th from the late '50's in the movie "Darjelling limited" released last year not because of the MOXIE but because the execution stands the test of time.

Professionals don't need MOXIE or bonding to be great, they just do their jobs to the best of their abilities. It is well documented that Jake didn't love football enough to show to all the team functions. That is not leading.

Kaylore
03-09-2009, 12:00 PM
I will always appreciate Jake. He was immediately an upgrade over Griese and much more likable. He also played the game with fire and left it all on the field (for better or worse) on Sunday. It was nice to have someone with some athleticism and emotion on the field. I got so sick of seeing Griese, who made NPR seem exciting, take sacks over and over again.

And I will agree that Jay could learn a thing or two from Jake about winning over his team. The team grew divided as Jake's play worsened, but those first three years they were all behind him (even when he was cussing out a gossip columnist or flipping off the fans.)

I just find it funny how people around here re-imagine how things were. I remember Jake as one of the worst players on offense in '06. I also remember being accused, along with several others, of "hating winning" and that as long as we were winning "there was no point" to upgrade. Like wanting better play from your QB was unacceptable, and if the team was winning criticizing the QB for it was wrong. Well we finally lost two games in a row because the defense finally melted down and when we needed it, Plummer couldn't move the offense. The defense wasn't there to pull him along any more. Jake's play was so terrible that year that starting Cutler became a lateral move with upside.

broncosteven
03-09-2009, 12:07 PM
I will always appreciate Jake. He was immediately an upgrade over Griese and much more likable. He also played the game with fire and left it all on the field (for better or worse) on Sunday. It was nice to have someone with some athleticism and emotion on the field. I got so sick of seeing Griese, who made NPR seem exciting, take sacks over and over again.

And I will agree that Jay could learn a thing or two from Jake about winning over his team. The team grew divided as Jake's play worsened, but those first three years they were all behind him (even when he was cussing out a gossip columnist or flipping off the fans.)

I just find it funny how people around here re-imagine how things were. I remember Jake as one of the worst players on offense in '06. I also remember being accused, along with several others, of "hating winning" and that as long as we were winning "there was no point" to upgrade. Like wanting better play from your QB was unacceptable, and if the team was winning criticizing the QB for it was wrong. Well we finally lost two games in a row because the defense finally melted down and when we needed it, Plummer couldn't move the offense. The defense wasn't there to pull him along any more. Jake's play was so terrible that year that starting Cutler became a lateral move with upside.

But he played with MOXIE