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chaz
03-04-2009, 08:32 PM
Make your draft board for the 12th pick.

Assume Stafford, Curry, Monroe, J. Smith, Crabtree, and Raji are gone as I don't see any of them having even a chance of making it to 12.


I'd have to go with:
1. Orakpo
2. Jenkins
3. Ev. Brown
4. T. Jackson
5. Maualuga

bpc
03-04-2009, 08:38 PM
1. Everette Brown
2. Tyson Jackson
3. Andre Smith
4. Jeremy Maclin
5. Michael Johnson

chaz
03-04-2009, 08:42 PM
1. Everette Brown
2. Tyson Jackson
3. Andre Smith
4. Jeremy Maclin
5. Michael Johnson

Interest in Andre Smith? How come? From what I've heard, I wouldn't touch him with a 10 ft. pole even if we needed an OT...

also, you like Johnson? he does have potential but a big bust factor too

Carmelo15
03-04-2009, 08:56 PM
1. Brian Orakpo

2. Michael Jenkins

3. Tyson Jackson

4. Everette Brown

5. Rey Maualuga

BroncoMan4ever
03-04-2009, 09:26 PM
Tyson Jackson
Orakpo
Brown
Cushing
Maualuga

SouthStndJunkie
03-04-2009, 09:45 PM
1: Everette Brown
2: Tyson Jackson
3: Jeremy Maclin
4: Vontae Davis
5: Rey Maualuga
6: Percy Harvin

bpc
03-04-2009, 09:48 PM
Interest in Andre Smith? How come? From what I've heard, I wouldn't touch him with a 10 ft. pole even if we needed an OT...

also, you like Johnson? he does have potential but a big bust factor too

Because I think Andre Smith is the next Larry Allen. I think he can easily play LG, RG, or RT and he's a pro bowl player there. Think Shawn Andrews. I also think of Clady and Andre Smith lining up next to each other for the next ten years and multiple pro bowl between them.

For the record, if Smith is the top guy at our pick, I hope we leverage the **** out of a trade with an OT desperate team like Philly. I want more picks.

I have never seen a guy as big as Michael Johnson, who can runs as fluid as he does... I said it during the combine... he moves about as any i've seen that isn't a cornerback. It speaks volumes about him and the range he brings to the field. I think this is a guy that could stand up and potentially play the SAM in a 3-4. Do you understand how devastating that would be having a 6'7" 265 lb OLB who can rush the passer off the corner and cover any tight in coverage? It's borderline sick. The guy is 6'7 and has a 36" wing span. That means standing up, arms extended above his head he's clearing almost 10 ft. Factor in his vertical which was 38 1/2, broad which was almost 11 ft and you are stretching out his zone paramete to be about 13-15 feet. That's 5 yards any direction. That's a lot of space you don't have to worry about as a defense.

I think guys like Mayock and others are riding him really hard for a guy thats not even close to being a finished product... and it's not like he had a bad career. He was the #1 guy offenses schemed again when playing GTech.

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The draft is an inexact science but i'm going to bank on that this kid hasn't had professional coaching and the fact that 6'7", 265 lb LB freaks don't grow on trees. They aren't athletic like him, they don't run like him... and they aren't going to be able to play like him either when he learns how to use his body.

I do understand what these players are. They have merely scratched the surface of their potential. They are elite players at their position that will be NFL players for the next decade.

BroncoMan4ever
03-04-2009, 10:45 PM
Because I think Andre Smith is the next Larry Allen. I think he can easily play LG, RG, or RT and he's a pro bowl player there. Think Shawn Andrews. I also think of Clady and Andre Smith lining up next to each other for the next ten years and multiple pro bowl between them.

For the record, if Smith is the top guy at our pick, I hope we leverage the **** out of a trade with an OT desperate team like Philly. I want more picks.

I have never seen a guy as big as Michael Johnson, who can runs as fluid as he does... I said it during the combine... he moves about as any i've seen that isn't a cornerback. It speaks volumes about him and the range he brings to the field. I think this is a guy that could stand up and potentially play the SAM in a 3-4. Do you understand how devastating that would be having a 6'7" 265 lb OLB who can rush the passer off the corner and cover any tight in coverage? It's borderline sick. The guy is 6'7 and has a 36" wing span. That means standing up, arms extended above his head he's clearing almost 10 ft. Factor in his vertical which was 38 1/2, broad which was almost 11 ft and you are stretching out his zone paramete to be about 13-15 feet. That's 5 yards any direction. That's a lot of space you don't have to worry about as a defense.

I think guys like Mayock and others are riding him really hard for a guy thats not even close to being a finished product... and it's not like he had a bad career. He was the #1 guy offenses schemed again when playing GTech.

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The draft is an inexact science but i'm going to bank on that this kid hasn't had professional coaching and the fact that 6'7", 265 lb LB freaks don't grow on trees. They aren't athletic like him, they don't run like him... and they aren't going to be able to play like him either when he learns how to use his body.

I do understand what these players are. They have merely scratched the surface of their potential. They are elite players at their position that will be NFL players for the next decade.

i agree his measurables are freakish and i wouldn't mind getting him, but in the 1st round i much rather get a guy who isn't as raw, or in need of as much coaching as Johnson.

if we didn't need so much work on our defense i would be all for the pick, but with all the holes, i want a guy who can contribute and start from day 1.

Archer81
03-04-2009, 11:02 PM
1. Cushing
2. Orakpo
3. Michael Johnson
4. Connor Barwin
5. James Laureinitis

:Broncos:

Archer81
03-04-2009, 11:03 PM
But this could all change, I think if Raji is not gone by 5, we could see movement from teams who want him, which causes other, gifted players to drop.

:Broncos:

Carmelo15
03-05-2009, 12:16 AM
1. Cushing
2. Orakpo
3. Michael Johnson
4. Connor Barwin
5. James Laureinitis

:Broncos:

Connor Barwin at 12? Come on man get serious! Even Laurinitis is a reach at 12

cmhargrove
03-05-2009, 06:14 AM
i agree his measurables are freakish and i wouldn't mind getting him, but in the 1st round i much rather get a guy who isn't as raw, or in need of as much coaching as Johnson.

if we didn't need so much work on our defense i would be all for the pick, but with all the holes, i want a guy who can contribute and start from day 1.

Michael Johnson is a great value pick for the mid-twenties, he's a reach at #12. In a lot of ways, he carries the same boom/bust factor as Jarvis.

I do, however, like the fact we have a real D-line coach now. It will be interesting to see "his guys" and what he does with the existing talent.

socalorado
03-05-2009, 06:24 AM
1st round
#12
1 Cushing
2 Brown
3 Jenkins
4 Jackson
5 Rey Rey

2nd round
#48
MATHEWS
SMITH
BRACE
GREENE
DELMAS

bpc
03-05-2009, 06:30 AM
i agree his measurables are freakish and i wouldn't mind getting him, but in the 1st round i much rather get a guy who isn't as raw, or in need of as much coaching as Johnson.

if we didn't need so much work on our defense i would be all for the pick, but with all the holes, i want a guy who can contribute and start from day 1.

I sometimes don't get when people say he's raw or doesn't play up to his ability? I guess if we are comparing him to a Julius Peppers type, maybe he hasn't played up to that stature but the guy had 9 sacks as a senior. That's not bad. Orakpo had 10 sacks and has also missed 6 stars over the past two years with injury. 6 of Orakpo's sacks came in games again Rice, Utep, and Arkansas. All of those teams were bad. 2 more game against Phil Loadholt from OU who is this years version of George Foster and the lookout block. He made his name off that game.

I'd much rather have Johnson than Orakpo. Orakpo is a finished product, probably with a few too many injuries to his credit. The guy is maxed out in the weight room.

Johnson has much more room on his body to add size.

Finally, one only needs to turn on the GT/UVA game where Johnson owned Eugene Monroe who is pretty much a consensus top 5 pick in this draft. He knocked him around for 5 tackles, 2 for loss, a sack, a FF, and a PD.

cmhargrove
03-05-2009, 07:26 AM
I sometimes don't get when people say he's raw or doesn't play up to his ability? I guess if we are comparing him to a Julius Peppers type, maybe he hasn't played up to that stature but the guy had 9 sacks as a senior. That's not bad. Orakpo had 10 sacks and has also missed 6 stars over the past two years with injury. 6 of Orakpo's sacks came in games again Rice, Utep, and Arkansas. All of those teams were bad. 2 more game against Phil Loadholt from OU who is this years version of George Foster and the lookout block. He made his name off that game.

I'd much rather have Johnson than Orakpo. Orakpo is a finished product, probably with a few too many injuries to his credit. The guy is maxed out in the weight room.

Johnson has much more room on his body to add size.

Finally, one only needs to turn on the GT/UVA game where Johnson owned Eugene Monroe who is pretty much a consensus top 5 pick in this draft. He knocked him around for 5 tackles, 2 for loss, a sack, a FF, and a PD.

Once again, the knock is not his ability to be a star, it's his motivation.

That's the major downfall of many "would be superstars." He can do it, but will he do it consistently? Does he have the "heart" to be a great pro?

Buys like Orakpo at least have proven they will sell out to the program and give 100% effort - every game. So, Johnson probably has a higher ceiling, Orakpo has consistently proven his motivation.

Time will tell...

cmhargrove
03-05-2009, 07:27 AM
Once again, the knock is not his ability to be a star, it's his motivation.

That's the major downfall of many "would be superstars." He can do it, but will he do it consistently? Does he have the "heart" to be a great pro?

Buys like Orakpo at least have proven they will sell out to the program and give 100% effort - every game. So, Johnson probably has a higher ceiling, Orakpo has consistently proven his motivation.

Time will tell...

i will quote myself with an example - George Foster. The dude could have been a great starting NFL Tackle if he played with heart and dedicated himself in the gym and practice field. He just never wanted it that bad, and it showed.

no-pseudo-fan
03-05-2009, 08:16 AM
I know that Rey was not great at the combine or the Senior Bowl, but I truly believe he is our pick at 12. He and Dawkins are going to bring an intensity back to the Defense. He is going to lay the wood to RB's and over the middle WR as will Dawkins. We are going to be tougher on Defense this year, if nothing else. We need a starter, day 1, with the 12th pick and Rey would be that. It is an attitude pick, and a attitude player.

RocBronc
03-05-2009, 08:20 AM
I know that Rey was not great at the combine or the Senior Bowl, but I truly believe he is our pick at 12. He and Dawkins are going to bring an intensity back to the Defense. He is going to lay the wood to RB's and over the middle WR as will Dawkins. We are going to be tougher on Defense this year, if nothing else. We need a starter, day 1, with the 12th pick and Rey would be that. It is an attitude pick, and a attitude player.

Unfortunately, he's also physically/mentally limited and better suited to being a MLB in a 4-3 scheme. Pass on him.

RocBronc
03-05-2009, 08:22 AM
Everette Brown
maybe Orakpo
Trade Down...

dbfan21
03-05-2009, 08:28 AM
Since we missed out on the Ray Lewis sweepstakes, do you think it intensifies our need to find a playmaker at LB?

no-pseudo-fan
03-05-2009, 08:29 AM
Unfortunately, he's also physically/mentally limited and better suited to being a MLB in a 4-3 scheme. Pass on him.

Actually he is suited to play MLB in a 3-4 Defense. A 4-3 MLB is asked to take deeper drops than a 3-4 MLB.

Mogulseeker
03-05-2009, 08:30 AM
None. trade up to get Raji

montrose
03-05-2009, 09:02 AM
Today...
1) Orakpo
2) Cushing
3) T.Jackson
4) Jenkins
5) Brown

Ziggy
03-05-2009, 12:02 PM
1. Maualuga
2. Orapko
3. Brown
4. Maybin

MVP-06
03-05-2009, 12:03 PM
1. Orakpo
2. Brown
3. Rey Rey
4. Cushing
5. Jenkins

Archer81
03-05-2009, 12:42 PM
Connor Barwin at 12? Come on man get serious! Even Laurinitis is a reach at 12


Am serious. Thats my top 5 for #12 pick.


:Broncos:

bpc
03-05-2009, 01:51 PM
Once again, the knock is not his ability to be a star, it's his motivation.

That's the major downfall of many "would be superstars." He can do it, but will he do it consistently? Does he have the "heart" to be a great pro?

Buys like Orakpo at least have proven they will sell out to the program and give 100% effort - every game. So, Johnson probably has a higher ceiling, Orakpo has consistently proven his motivation.

Time will tell...

I'm just wondering what is the different in motivation from a guy like Johnson vs. a guy like Orakpo when they have nearly identical stats?

Can we really say there is different motivation? Is it different because we see Orakpo on college gameday working out?

I'm just wondering if the talking heads have brainwashed everybody into thinking this guy is a slacker instead of the fact that he's was probably double teamed a bunch, he's young and/or he may not have had that great of coaching.

When one pans the stat line, he had great production. Is there things he can do better? Yes. Did he $hit himself on the field? No.

Once again, I would like everybody to go back and watch his film against Eugene Monroe, a consensus top 5 OT in this draft. He owened him.

Requiem
03-05-2009, 01:53 PM
Orakpo is a loser.

Old Dude
03-05-2009, 02:47 PM
I don't know beans about the draft, but the four guys I've seen projected most often to Denver are Brown, Raji, Orakpo and Maualuga.

Raji seems to be climbing in the charts, out of our immediate reach, while Maualuga is falling. What's the deal with these two?

chaz
03-05-2009, 03:50 PM
I'm just wondering what is the different in motivation from a guy like Johnson vs. a guy like Orakpo when they have nearly identical stats?

Can we really say there is different motivation? Is it different because we see Orakpo on college gameday working out?

I'm just wondering if the talking heads have brainwashed everybody into thinking this guy is a slacker instead of the fact that he's was probably double teamed a bunch, he's young and/or he may not have had that great of coaching.

When one pans the stat line, he had great production. Is there things he can do better? Yes. Did he $hit himself on the field? No.

Once again, I would like everybody to go back and watch his film against Eugene Monroe, a consensus top 5 OT in this draft. He owened him.

I'm not a game-tape guy but I'd assume it stems from how often they take plays off...irregardless I'm sure the scouts do their homework talking to the coaches and seeing how dedicated players are. I don't want any more Foster-type work ethics, overachievers are much more likely to succeed in the nfl than underachievers.

chaz
03-05-2009, 03:55 PM
Orakpo is a loser.

Why's that Req?

Archer81
03-05-2009, 04:44 PM
I don't know beans about the draft, but the four guys I've seen projected most often to Denver are Brown, Raji, Orakpo and Maualuga.

Raji seems to be climbing in the charts, out of our immediate reach, while Maualuga is falling. What's the deal with these two?


From what I can tell, Raji had a solid combine and is showing his ability. Rey Maualuga didnt finish at the combine, coupled with his lack of mental ability is driving him down the draft board.

:Broncos:

elsid13
03-05-2009, 05:15 PM
I'm just wondering what is the different in motivation from a guy like Johnson vs. a guy like Orakpo when they have nearly identical stats?

Can we really say there is different motivation? Is it different because we see Orakpo on college gameday working out?

I'm just wondering if the talking heads have brainwashed everybody into thinking this guy is a slacker instead of the fact that he's was probably double teamed a bunch, he's young and/or he may not have had that great of coaching.

When one pans the stat line, he had great production. Is there things he can do better? Yes. Did he $hit himself on the field? No.

Once again, I would like everybody to go back and watch his film against Eugene Monroe, a consensus top 5 OT in this draft. He owened him.


BPC I get a lot the ACC games in area due to UVA and Maryland. I would watch Johnson one play think man that guy is freak, the next three it was like was going through the motion only. Sometime a fullback out of the backfield would be able to stonewall him with help. That what concern me about him. Unfortunately he reminds a lot of Lawson and I could see Nolan pushing for him.

Br0nc0Buster
03-05-2009, 07:05 PM
OLB or DE I guess is where the value is
Tyson Jackson, Everette Brown, Aaron Maybin, or Charles Johnson I guess

I dont really know who else is projected around our spot that would help us

I guess we could go ILB, but I think OLB and D line is a much bigger need

SoDak Bronco
03-05-2009, 07:09 PM
i really hope we don't take a corner early, i have a feeling we will.

Requiem
03-05-2009, 07:38 PM
Why's that Req?

I'm just not a fan of Orakpo. Med has went on ad nauseum about Texas players and their abilities to succeed in the NFL; great college players -- average pro guys. Honestly, I don't think Orakpo is the way we want to go if we're looking for that rushbacker in the 3-4. There are comparable players who I believe have better value at #12 or elsewhere who will do just as much. JMHO.

SoDak Bronco
03-05-2009, 08:04 PM
Here are my top picks-
#1-Everette Brown
#1A-BJ Raji
#3-Brian Orakpo
#4-Aaron Maybin
#5-Tyson Jackson

chaz
03-05-2009, 08:05 PM
OLB or DE I guess is where the value is
Tyson Jackson, Everette Brown, Aaron Maybin, or Charles Johnson I guess

I dont really know who else is projected around our spot that would help us

I guess we could go ILB, but I think OLB and D line is a much bigger need

Michael Johnson? I don't know if he or Maybin are even in the first round picture now...they could both easily slide on draft day.

I think the general pool (defensively) we'll be choosing from at 12 is some combination of Everett Brown, Tyson Jackson, Rey Maualuga, Brian Cushing, & Brian Orakpo

ohiobronco2
03-05-2009, 08:06 PM
Orakpo is a loser.

I don't think he looked to good against OSU and they had been exposed by both LSU and Florida. He had one big play at the begining and one at the end. Alex was beat like a drum against Harvey.

Requiem
03-05-2009, 08:22 PM
Trading down should be the option. I'd stay at #12 for say Raji and Maclin. That'd be about it. I'd take Tyson Jackson there as well because finding a guy who can play end in the 3-4 in this years draft as well as he could would be pretty ****ing tough.

chaz
03-05-2009, 08:26 PM
What would you all think of this?-

12-Tyson Jackson DE LSU

Not flashy but big, solid and ready to contribute along DL

48-Sean Smith CB/S Utah (or Delmas if Smith is gone-one should be there)

Versatile ballhawk would be welcomed in the secondary.

79-Jasper Brinkley MLB S. Carolina

Big MLB made for 3-4...stock is rising as he continues to show he's back.

101-Sammie Lee Hill DT Stillman

May seem higher than some have him going, but I actually think he might even reach the first day... 6'4" 330lb. NT prospect from a small school is worth the risk in my eyes. I don't see the 4th as a reach considering how critical the position is.

110-Antoine Caldwell C 'Bama

Athletic C who could develop behind Wiegs and then anchor the line.




beyond that i don't pretend to know enough to make the decisions...

bpc
03-05-2009, 08:45 PM
Chaz, I think that would be a highly efficient draft. I really like the talent of the 1st three. I don't know the kid in the 4th round enough to say what he is. Sub Terence Taylor in there and i'm good.

NFLBRONCO
03-05-2009, 09:43 PM
Nice lists everyone

What players remaining in FA do you think Denver needs to sign that would make you'd really want to trade down from 12 no matter what?

Br0nc0Buster
03-05-2009, 10:10 PM
Michael Johnson? I don't know if he or Maybin are even in the first round picture now...they could both easily slide on draft day.

I think the general pool (defensively) we'll be choosing from at 12 is some combination of Everett Brown, Tyson Jackson, Rey Maualuga, Brian Cushing, & Brian Orakpo

yes I meant Michael, I dont know where Charles came from

I am a bit nervous on Brown, he seems to remind me of Moss