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epicSocialism4tw
03-03-2009, 03:25 PM
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I called it, folks!

It took 3 season for Broncos fans to turn on their quarterback.

Tombstone RJ
03-03-2009, 03:29 PM
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I called it, folks!

It took 3 season for Broncos fans to turn on their quarterback.

Strange, I haven't turned on him, and I'm the strongest poster (by far) on this board.

I do expect him to grow up.

NFLBRONCO
03-03-2009, 03:33 PM
I'm 100% behind Jay if he is here. Thought he handled it poorly is all.

KS Bronco
03-03-2009, 03:36 PM
actually the poll on this website supported jay over our new coach

Natedog24
03-03-2009, 03:38 PM
actually the poll on this website supported jay over our new coach

In a big way too if I remember right...

epicSocialism4tw
03-03-2009, 03:38 PM
actually the poll on this website supported jay over our new coach

You ain't seen nothin' yet.

colonelbeef
03-03-2009, 03:41 PM
3.5:1 in favor of Jay over McDaniels

fans strongly support Jay

loborugger
03-03-2009, 03:41 PM
You are gonna break your arm patting urself on the back like that, Llama.

Besides, why would you be so proud about predicting something so crummy? I could see being proud about predicting him winning the SB in 3 years - but this? Seems silly to me.

Killericon
03-03-2009, 03:43 PM
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=2264836&postcount=32

OBF1
03-03-2009, 03:43 PM
I also called it. The Mavericks would suck even more in 2009..... atta boy CBF1

Breaker
03-03-2009, 03:45 PM
Strange, I haven't turned on him, and I'm the strongest poster (by far) on this board.

I do expect him to grow up.


Stronget poster or poser .... I think you mistyped.

epicSocialism4tw
03-03-2009, 03:47 PM
You are gonna break your arm patting urself on the back like that, Llama.

Besides, why would you be so proud about predicting something so crummy? I could see being proud about predicting him winning the SB in 3 years - but this? Seems silly to me.

Yeah...the arm is already cramping a bit. Ha!

The prediction was born out of crumminess. It was born out of the mess that the fans created in Denver when they turned on Plummer.

3 season is all it takes.

epicSocialism4tw
03-03-2009, 03:49 PM
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=2264836&postcount=32

Easy to see with a little foresight, eh?

Tombstone RJ
03-03-2009, 03:58 PM
Stronget poster or poser .... I think you mistyped.

:flower:

Broncobiv
03-03-2009, 07:24 PM
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I called it, folks!

It took 3 season for Broncos fans to turn on their quarterback.
Who of us is turning on Cutler? Maybe one or two, but the majority of the fanbase?? Some are calling for him to be less of a baby and grow up about the whole trade thing (which obviously now isn't going to happen). But OTOH, you can't entirely blame him for how he's reacting...Cutler is supposed to be the face of the franchise, and the brand new HC and brand new GM just tried to trade him away.

None of this would have even happened if both Shanahan and the entire FO hadn't been fired. To be patting yourself on the back for calling...whatever it is you think you called...is absurd. "Broncos fans" are turning more on the one-month-tenured HC and GM than they are on the most important player in the franchise.

lex
03-03-2009, 07:37 PM
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I called it, folks!

It took 3 season for Broncos fans to turn on their quarterback.

Actually if that McDaniels or Cutler poll is any indication, its apparent Cutler still has a lot of support. Unfortunately we have a lot of closet New England fans that walk among us though.

Bronco X
03-03-2009, 07:38 PM
I'm 100% behind Jay if he is here. Thought he handled it poorly is all.

Same here. I've been 100% behind Jay from the start but I'll criticize him when he deserves it. He deserves it for how he's handling this situation. I'm pretty confident it'll get worked out once Jay sees he has no other choice and I'll be behind him again, but I hope he learns some lessons from this whole fiasco. McDaniels too, obviously.

broncosteven
03-03-2009, 07:47 PM
Who of us is turning on Cutler? Maybe one or two, but the majority of the fanbase?? Some are calling for him to be less of a baby and grow up about the whole trade thing (which obviously now isn't going to happen). But OTOH, you can't entirely blame him for how he's reacting...Cutler is supposed to be the face of the franchise, and the brand new HC and brand new GM just tried to trade him away.

None of this would have even happened if both Shanahan and the entire FO hadn't been fired. To be patting yourself on the back for calling...whatever it is you think you called...is absurd. "Broncos fans" are turning more on the one-month-tenured HC and GM than they are on the most important player in the franchise.


I live in Chicago, everyone I have talked to want duh Bears to trade for him. I expected to get laughed at and pounded with Cutler sucks and is a whiny Bitch but much to my surprise I am only hearing it from Bronco fans.

I think a ton of people here are still Plummer fans and want Jay to fail. I don't think the rest of the league thinks of Cutler as bad as Elway was thought of when he refused to play for Balt. That followed John up until his 1st SB win 15 years later. Who knows how long this follows Jay.

Taco John
03-03-2009, 07:52 PM
Really, the people who turned on Cutler so far have largely been the ones who were spurned lovers over Plummer.

lex
03-03-2009, 07:52 PM
I live in Chicago, everyone I have talked to want duh Bears to trade for him. I expected to get laughed at and pounded with Cutler sucks and is a whiny b**** but much to my surprise I am only hearing it from Bronco fans.

I think a ton of people here are still Plummer fans and want Jay to fail. I don't think the rest of the league thinks of Cutler as bad as Elway was thought of when he refused to play for Balt. That followed John up until his 1st SB win 15 years later. Who knows how long this follows Jay.

Yeah, if Im the Bears Id basically offer Denver practically anyting they wanted. Theyve never had a QB like this. Sid Luckman still holds a lot of their records.

And youre right about the Plummer fans. Theyre a sad lot...an embarrassment. Hopefully they stay in Colorado though so they dont embarrass the rest of us.

Broncobiv
03-03-2009, 07:58 PM
I don't think the rest of the league thinks of Cutler as bad as Elway was thought of when he refused to play for Balt. That followed John up until his 1st SB win 15 years later. Who knows how long this follows Jay.
But don't you think Jay is at least a little justified in how he's reacting? I do think he has gone a tad too far in the "baby" aspect of it all, but hell, for your new coach and GM to try and trade you within approximately the first month? Jay should be upset! Overall, this situation sucks for both sides. And I can see a way to both defend and criticize Cutler for how he's handled it. As for McD and Xanders though, I pretty much only see a poor showing from their side of the issue.

broncosteven
03-03-2009, 07:59 PM
Yeah, if Im the Bears Id basically offer Denver practically anyting they wanted. Theyve never had a QB like this. Sid Luckman still holds a lot of their records.

And youre right about the Plummer fans. Theyre a sad lot...an embarrassment. Hopefully they stay in Colorado though so they dont embarrass the rest of us.

For as bad as our franchise was the 1st 13 years people loved the Broncos holeheartedly. Since the back to back SB's and even Reeve's success they think they deserve to win a SB every couple of years.

It is hard to win in the NFL, ask the Aint's, Lions, KFC.

We were spoiled with QB talent also. Even if they didn't have the love of the game Griese and Plummer had very good if not great years in their time here.

Imagine if Denver trotted out Kyle Boller or had to deal with the # of QB's duh bears have had since McMahon (sp).

ZONA
03-03-2009, 08:00 PM
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I called it, folks!

It took 3 season for Broncos fans to turn on their quarterback.

Idiot. Just because a parent spanks his kid doesn't mean they don't love them.
We just want Jay to act like a true leader. We still want him and love how he plays. Don't be a douche bag.

Broncobiv
03-03-2009, 08:03 PM
Idiot. Just because a parent spanks his kid doesn't mean they don't love them.
We just want Jay to act like a true leader. We still want him and love how he plays. Don't be a douche bag.

Well put.

Just because we're a bit annoyed at how Cutler is handling this one incident, that does not mean we have turned on him!

broncosteven
03-03-2009, 08:05 PM
But don't you think Jay is at least a little justified in how he's reacting? I do think he has gone a tad too far in the "baby" aspect of it all, but hell, for your new coach and GM to try and trade you within approximately the first month? Jay should be upset! Overall, this situation sucks for both sides. And I can see a way to both defend and criticize Cutler for how he's handled it. As for McD and Xanders though, I pretty much only see a poor showing from their side of the issue.

Please search my 200+ posts since TRADEGATE Broke. I have supported him the whole time.

Both sides could have handled it better.

I felt Jay had a right to be upset. If it was a non-issue from MickyD's viewpoint they should have called Jay and told him "hey we got these calls, we had to look at them because they were so good, no other player would have gotten such great offers, blah, blah, blah, but your our guy and we turned them down, lets talk later after FA period dies down"

Jay might still have been a little miffed but would be compelled to trust them more than the way it actually fell out.

lex
03-03-2009, 08:08 PM
For as bad as our franchise was the 1st 13 years people loved the Broncos holeheartedly. Since the back to back SB's and even Reeve's success they think they deserve to win a SB every couple of years.

It is hard to win in the NFL, ask the Aint's, Lions, KFC.

We were spoiled with QB talent also. Even if they didn't have the love of the game Griese and Plummer had very good if not great years in their time here.

Imagine if Denver trotted out Kyle Boller or had to deal with the # of QB's duh bears have had since McMahon (sp).

Lets be honest. Our coaches made them better than they were on other teams...especially Plummer.

Sodak
03-03-2009, 08:12 PM
McSkillet used to be Angryllama? WTF did you get a job a Denny's or something? Your new handle sucks. :poke:

BTW. I'm taking Jay's side. We can get a new coach, but a QB his caliber is a rarity to be sure.

broncosteven
03-03-2009, 08:12 PM
Lets be honest. Our coaches made them better than they were on other teams...especially Plummer.

Yep, that is why I thought Shanny should get at least one more year.

It was nice not having to worry about QB or RB every year. If he only knew how to get good DL he would still be here.

Broncobiv
03-03-2009, 08:16 PM
Please search my 200+ posts since TRADEGATE Broke. I have supported him the whole time.
This is the first thread I've posted in for a few weeks. SO much information and SO many posts have been made, I just wanted it all to die down a bit before giving my input. I've read many of the recent posts on the issue at hand, but certainly not all. So I apologize if I seemingly categorized you unfairly.

Both sides could have handled it better.

I felt Jay had a right to be upset. If it was a non-issue from MickyD's viewpoint they should have called Jay and told him "hey we got these calls, we had to look at them because they were so good, no other player would have gotten such great offers, blah, blah, blah, but your our guy and we turned them down, lets talk later after FA period dies down"

Jay might still have been a little miffed but would be compelled to trust them more than the way it actually fell out.

Sure, if that had actually happened, then Jay's reaction could've been reasonable. But that's not what happened, so Jay's reaction was not quite so complacent. I mean, if you want to go through all the "what-if's" of how every member of this party could've handled it, we could go on forever. The fact is...I agree with you when you said, "Both sides could have handled it better."

Pony Boy
03-03-2009, 08:16 PM
Yeah, if Im the Bears Id basically offer Denver practically anyting they wanted. Theyve never had a QB like this. Sid Luckman still holds a lot of their records.

And youre right about the Plummer fans. Theyre a sad lot...an embarrassment. Hopefully they stay in Colorado though so they dont embarrass the rest of us.

You are right about the Bear fans, If they would take Griese they must be easy to please.

broncosteven
03-03-2009, 08:18 PM
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Sure, if that had actually happened, then Jay's reaction could've been reasonable. But that's not what happened, so Jay's reaction was not quite so complacent. I mean, if you want to go through all the "what-if's" of how every member of this party could've handled it, we could go on forever. The fact is...I agree with you when you said, "Both sides could have handled it better."

Agree, I have been on the OM too long tonight time to turn it off. I am getting carried away.

broncosteven
03-03-2009, 08:20 PM
You are right about the Bear fans, If they would take Griese they must be easy to please.

They thought Griese was going to beat out all comers and be their starter.

They thought he was the missing puzzle that would get them a SB win.

They were desperate for a real QB, at least they have Orton who tries.

Kid A
03-03-2009, 08:22 PM
When you "called it" were you referring to fans get impatient with lacks of wins/progress and starting to want an upgrade or trade? Or were you referring to fans getting vocal about their displeasure that a team captain seems to lack some fundamental leadership and maturity?

If it was the first prediction, you were very wrong. People have been very patient with his on the field results. And deservedly so. He has shown tremendous ability, late game poise, explosive skills, etc. Denver fans, in the vast majority, have been very understanding that his poor win-loss record and amount of dumb INTs is largely due to a ****ty defense and the pressure he has to make big plays. I can't see a legitimate case being made that very many fans have "turned on him" in this way. After several mediocre QBs, the Bronco fans understand they have a special talent right now and I think they have shown due appreciation.

If your prediction was that Jay would come across as an immature whiner when facing an uncomfortable situation and the fans would call him out for it...well then you were right and a psychic. Even the more vocal critics of Jay's recent behavior have (for the most part) made it clear they love his skills and want him to work things out and be the QB of the future. This is just one (very easy to correct) aspect of Cutler that we want to see change.

I forgive him every interception if he's out there competing hard and making the incredible plays he can. But earning a (national) reputation as a whiner is something he should look into improving. I think he has the stuff to get past this phase in his life, I really do. But that growth can't come soon enough.

Pony Boy
03-03-2009, 08:32 PM
They thought Griese was going to beat out all comers and be their starter.

They thought he was the missing puzzle that would get them a SB win.

They were desperate for a real QB, at least they have Orton who tries.

That's true !! So much for Blood Lines.
Bob Griese - Brian Griese (bust)
Phil Sims - Chris Sims (bust)
Ooops I shouldn't be talking about possible our new OB #2

Kaylore
03-03-2009, 08:36 PM
I also called it. The Mavericks would suck even more in 2009..... atta boy CBF1

Ha!

lex
03-03-2009, 08:37 PM
They thought Griese was going to beat out all comers and be their starter.

They thought he was the missing puzzle that would get them a SB win.

They were desperate for a real QB, at least they have Orton who tries.


Why would they think Griese would be a great choice? Its actually cold and windy in Chicago quite a lot and so it helps to have a much stronger arm than what Griese has. Thats not really a problem with Cutler.

I can imagine what the Red Eye will be like if/when they were to trade for Cutler.

theAPAOps5
03-03-2009, 08:40 PM
Drama Llama is at it again. No one has turned on him. Many don't like how he reacted including me. But talk to this board in September and I bet you it will be all well and this will go down in the history of the Orange Mane as another failed thread by you just like the Dallas Mavericks thread.

BroncoMan4ever
03-03-2009, 09:11 PM
I am still standing with my Adopt a Bronco, and am happy this is all over now.

epicSocialism4tw
03-05-2009, 09:26 AM
Idiot. Just because a parent spanks his kid doesn't mean they don't love them.
We just want Jay to act like a true leader. We still want him and love how he plays. Don't be a douche bag.

The seed has been planted.

I fully expect people like you to continue to negative nancy everything he does from this point forward.

Instead of reasonably looking at Jay, he'll be looked at in reference to his personality faults...the same thing that happened with Greise and Plummer.

I dont think that Denver will ever get past that type of ridiculous thinking. Its like the whole town has been sucked into the national inquirer's take on the NFL. When the biggest stories regarding the football team are a player tripping over his dog, a player regulating on a gossip columnist, and a players off-field comments, then you know youre dealing with a bunch of cult-of-personality types that thrive on controversy around the popular kid. In Denver, the popular kid plays QB for the Broncos.

epicSocialism4tw
03-05-2009, 09:29 AM
Drama Llama is at it again. No one has turned on him. Many don't like how he reacted including me. But talk to this board in September and I bet you it will be all well and this will go down in the history of the Orange Mane as another failed thread by you just like the Dallas Mavericks thread.


Its a good thing that you are keeping tabs on my opinions (or what you think they are).

By the way...and this is a general question aimed at the board at large...whatever happened to discussion here? A topic is posted and the conversation gets as deep as "this sucks" or "you suck" or "your opinion sucks"?

Does anyone invest thought into anything anymore?

epicSocialism4tw
03-05-2009, 09:41 AM
When you "called it" were you referring to fans get impatient with lacks of wins/progress and starting to want an upgrade or trade? Or were you referring to fans getting vocal about their displeasure that a team captain seems to lack some fundamental leadership and maturity?

If it was the first prediction, you were very wrong. People have been very patient with his on the field results. And deservedly so. He has shown tremendous ability, late game poise, explosive skills, etc. Denver fans, in the vast majority, have been very understanding that his poor win-loss record and amount of dumb INTs is largely due to a ****ty defense and the pressure he has to make big plays. I can't see a legitimate case being made that very many fans have "turned on him" in this way. After several mediocre QBs, the Bronco fans understand they have a special talent right now and I think they have shown due appreciation.

If your prediction was that Jay would come across as an immature whiner when facing an uncomfortable situation and the fans would call him out for it...well then you were right and a psychic. Even the more vocal critics of Jay's recent behavior have (for the most part) made it clear they love his skills and want him to work things out and be the QB of the future. This is just one (very easy to correct) aspect of Cutler that we want to see change.

I forgive him every interception if he's out there competing hard and making the incredible plays he can. But earning a (national) reputation as a whiner is something he should look into improving. I think he has the stuff to get past this phase in his life, I really do. But that growth can't come soon enough.

In Denver, Jay will have to live up to the Myth of Elway.

It doesnt matter what he does...whether or not he breaks Elways records or whatever. Elway made this franchise respectable and competitive in the eyes of most fans in Denver. Elway did this by overcoming odds and delivering wins in the face of defeat on several occasions.

Jay would have to do something similar to overcome the prejudice that follows the position post-Elway. Unless he does this, something will always be wrong with what hes doing.

That's why the best thing for Jay to do is to divorce himself from the Myth of Elway as much as possible. He'll understand this the older and more experienced he gets.

What people forget is that even with Elway, there were sub-par seasons and regrettable moments. The superbowl disasters being the most memorable regrettable moments, IMO. Imagine that pressure on Jay right now. Imagine that Jay made the SB and pitched a 50 rating in a 40 point loss. Imagine that this was following two other defeats where he showed up and got rocked by the opposition.

Would Jay have the same leeway? No.

I think that this is where the Myth of Elway is a detriment to the franchise. Nobody can enjoy what the team has currently because a blemishless, Lionized Elway hangs overhead.