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SouthStndJunkie
02-26-2009, 09:39 PM
According to Alex Marvez of FOXSports.com, the Broncos already have agreed to terms with free-agent running backs J.J. Arrington of the Cardinals, and Correll Buckhalter of the Eagles.

SonOfLe-loLang
02-26-2009, 09:40 PM
yeah, i dunno...

Doggcow
02-26-2009, 09:40 PM
**** that, they're scrubs.

SouthStndJunkie
02-26-2009, 09:40 PM
That was quick.

Doggcow
02-26-2009, 09:42 PM
Arrington did play in Arizona though and theyre terrible at running the ball. Maybe he has upside, but I hope Hillis stays the Starter.

jebures
02-26-2009, 09:42 PM
According to Alex Marvez of FOXSports.com, the Broncos already have agreed to terms with free-agent running backs J.J. Arrington of the Cardinals, and Correll Buckhalter of the Eagles.

wtf, why do we start with scrubs?

Broncos_OTM
02-26-2009, 09:42 PM
i think i am gonna go punch my dog

Rulon Velvet Jones
02-26-2009, 09:43 PM
They're not totally scrubs. Both have value and likely came quite cheap.

HEAV
02-26-2009, 09:44 PM
I figured Correll Buckhalter would be a target, but the JJ signing caught me off guard.

Well the back field is now set, minus a draft pick, now onto CB,DL,LB,S,WR...

bronco militia
02-26-2009, 09:44 PM
I'm ok with Buckhalter...Arrington is camp fodder

SonOfLe-loLang
02-26-2009, 09:44 PM
I assume arrington will be looked at as a 3rd down guy and buckhalter would be used to complement hillis? Assuming they didnt pay much for either of em, im fine with it.

Doggcow
02-26-2009, 09:45 PM
They're not totally scrubs. Both have value and likely came quite cheap.

Can never have enough depth at RB. Especially cheap depth. Just ask the Broncos a la 2008 :D

SouthStndJunkie
02-26-2009, 09:45 PM
Correll Buckhalter may prove to be a valuable backup.

jebures
02-26-2009, 09:46 PM
According to Alex Marvez of FOXSports.com, the Broncos already have agreed to terms with free-agent running backs J.J. Arrington of the Cardinals, and Correll Buckhalter of the Eagles.

J.J. Arrington=our kevin Faulk
Correll Buckhalter=our Sammy Morris
Peyton Hillis=Heath Evans


bye bye andre hall, basically the same player arrington is

chickennob2
02-26-2009, 09:46 PM
Now for the defense.

no-pseudo-fan
02-26-2009, 09:46 PM
I will wait for the numbers. Arrington can be our Kick off guy so we don't have to put Eddie Royal back there. Buckhalter is a 3rd down back, why not just keep Alridge?

Gcver2ver3
02-26-2009, 09:46 PM
well now that we have our playmakers on offense...onto the D now...

GreatBronco16
02-26-2009, 09:47 PM
Camp Fodder.

Requiem
02-26-2009, 09:47 PM
They probably didn't cost squat, and they both are shifty runners who can catch the ball out of the backfield. Why anyone would complain about these signings is beyond me.

Rulon Velvet Jones
02-26-2009, 09:47 PM
Working backwards up the list:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AuGV02Zg56s3j1wAYapUlKz.uLYF?slug=ys-freeagenttracker022509&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

SonOfLe-loLang
02-26-2009, 09:48 PM
Hey guys....new toys!

TheDave
02-26-2009, 09:49 PM
Good pick ups... both would complement Hillis

bpc
02-26-2009, 09:49 PM
I really like the JJ Arrington pickup. The guy is underrated. He had a great career at Cal but never seemed to fit in with Arizona. I think he'll probably make the roster over Buckhalter. I've never been a fan of his, even less so with two reconstructed ACL's.

Doggcow
02-26-2009, 09:49 PM
I hope they get added on Madden. I only use Peyton Hillis to run the ball out of the FB position atm rofl.

HEAV
02-26-2009, 09:50 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9271500/Source:-Denver-acquires-ex-Philly,-Cards-RBs

New Denver head coach Josh McDaniels must have thought running back was his team's most pressing free-agent need.


The Broncos have acquired two of them by agreeing to multiyear contracts with Correll Buckhalter (Philadelphia) and J.J. Arrington (Arizona) at the midnight opening of the signing period, FOXSports.com has learned. The deals will become official when both pass physical exams.

Buckhalter can be considered a frontrunner for a starting spot, while Arrington is likely to fill a niche as a third-down specialist and kickoff returner.

A backup behind Brian Westbrook for most of his eight seasons in Philadelphia, the 30-year-old Buckhalter has battled back from knee injuries that forced him to miss the 2002, 2004 and 2005 campaigns. Buckhalter started two games in 2008 and finished the season with 369 rushing yards and two touchdowns on 76 attempts. He also is an effective receiver coming out of the backfield.

Arrington never fulfilled the expectations that came with being Arizona's second-round draft pick in 2005. But he did start three games for the 2008 Cardinals team that reached Super Bowl XLIII. Arrington tallied 432 combined yards from scrimmage (rushing and receiving) and averaged 25.6 yards on kickoff returns with one touchdown.

Denver finished last season with seven running backs on injured reserve

Kaylore
02-26-2009, 09:50 PM
J.J. Arrington=our kevin Faulk
Correll Buckhalter=our Sammy Morris
Peyton Hillis=Heath Evans


bye bye andre hall, basically the same player arrington is

Yes.

NASurfer
02-26-2009, 09:50 PM
Meh... I'm sure Bobby Turner has vouched for these guys in some way. We'll see what happens.

HEAV
02-26-2009, 09:52 PM
Yes.

Bye bye Tater also!

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
02-26-2009, 09:52 PM
Here's my thing. Why JJ when we had AA. Simular guys except 2 years in the NFL vs. 5 years in the league.

Gcver2ver3
02-26-2009, 09:53 PM
Working backwards up the list:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AuGV02Zg56s3j1wAYapUlKz.uLYF?slug=ys-freeagenttracker022509&prov=yhoo&type=lgns



JJ #100...

buckhalter didnt even make the list...

SonOfLe-loLang
02-26-2009, 09:54 PM
JJ #100...

buckhalter didnt even make the list...

Big deal. Buck was on my fantasy team last year. He's competent and can fill well as a part of a trio (knees aside). Assuming he wasnt expensive, tailback depth is never bad as we've all learned.

RMT
02-26-2009, 09:54 PM
i stayed up to see a signing like THIS?! :(

Rulon Velvet Jones
02-26-2009, 09:54 PM
JJ #100...

buckhalter didnt even make the list...

Though I doubt Denver is going off that list, you can assume that neither are going to break the bank. No worries unless Danny Snyder or Al Davis suddenly took over.

bpc
02-26-2009, 09:55 PM
JJ is the future Priest Holmes! :) Low milage, big upside. I like it.

Kaylore
02-26-2009, 09:55 PM
Bye bye Tater also!

Some things are a foregone conclusion. At least he made enough in those final games to make payments on his mortgage for a few years. I still think he could tear it up in Canada, but oh well.

SonOfLe-loLang
02-26-2009, 09:55 PM
i stayed up to see a signing like THIS?! :(

The Broncos could sign Peyton Manning, Larry Fitzgerald, and James Harrison and we'd still find people to say something negative.

Requiem
02-26-2009, 09:56 PM
Who cares if they made someones list or not? It isn't like they got mega****ing deals. (I'd assume.) J.J. can be a change of pace guy and return kick-offs -- and he can catch the ball too. Buckhalter is a shifty guy who can break off some nice runs and catch the ball well too. I'm cool with this.

SonOfLe-loLang
02-26-2009, 09:56 PM
Some things are a foregone conclusion. At least he made enough in those final games to make payments on his mortgage for a few years. I still think he could tear it up in Canada, but oh well.

Don't you think he earned himself a look somewhere due to his last game alone?

Popps
02-26-2009, 09:57 PM
I really like the JJ Arrington pickup. The guy is underrated. He had a great career at Cal but never seemed to fit in with Arizona. I think he'll probably make the roster over Buckhalter. I've never been a fan of his, even less so with two reconstructed ACL's.

Buckhalter played pretty well when healthy, which isn't often.

Agree on Arrington. He'll help on kick returns and in spot-duty.

There's nothing to hate about these pick-ups. They're both cheap and provide depth. It's not like we were going to break the bank for a RB, anyway.

Keep Hillis the starter and let those guys back him up.

Broncoman13
02-26-2009, 09:58 PM
A healthy Buckhalter is a pretty good RB. Problem is staying healthy!

Gcver2ver3
02-26-2009, 09:58 PM
Big deal. Buck was on my fantasy team last year. He's competent and can fill well as a part of a trio (knees aside). Assuming he wasnt expensive, tailback depth is never bad as we've all learned.

yeah i know...i'm just havin a lil fun...

i don't mind these signings...i think it shows we're not interested in Derrick Ward or anyone like that...but the Pats system doesn't put stock into big time RBs...i'm perfectly fine with the signings...

we will run RB by committee and focus on the pass game...i just want to see Hillis get his carries and i'm happy...the rest can be the change of pace guys...

Requiem
02-26-2009, 09:58 PM
Popps and Kaylore with voices of reason. BPC, surprising me a little bit with such high praise. I think he has potential. . . but Priest Holmes like, eh? :D

epicSocialism4tw
02-26-2009, 09:59 PM
They probably didn't cost squat, and they both are shifty runners who can catch the ball out of the backfield. Why anyone would complain about these signings is beyond me.

Yeah...theyre not bad. I like the signings. Hopefully this is the depth that they go at RB, and they are planning on investing all of the money they bailed out of the defense back into the defense.

Broncos fans kill me. Every year some army of putzes wants to dump all the resources into RB despite the fact that our defense is traditionally weak and our running game strong.

I expect that our growing OL pave alot of space for whichever back we have in there.

Broncos_OTM
02-26-2009, 10:00 PM
The Broncos could sign Peyton Manning, Larry Fitzgerald, and James Harrison and we'd still find people to say something negative.

But when you open FA with guys that are not overly huge needs. We should have been going after DL, S, CB i just thought there would have been more emphasis on D early

HEAV
02-26-2009, 10:01 PM
Hillis starts, Buck spells Hillis, JJ is third down and return man. Add a draft pick to develope for the future. Broncos are set at running back for 09...barring any injuries like 08.

tsiguy96
02-26-2009, 10:03 PM
Y
Broncos fans kill me. Every year some army of putzes wants to dump all the resources into RB despite the fact that our defense is traditionally weak and our running game strong.


i never understand that either.

~Crash~
02-26-2009, 10:03 PM
J.J. Arrington=our kevin Faulk
Correll Buckhalter=our Sammy Morris
Peyton Hillis=Heath Evans


bye bye andre hall, basically the same player arrington is


yep andre hall is averaging something like 5.1 YPC J.J. Arrington 2.1 YPC

no-pseudo-fan
02-26-2009, 10:03 PM
They just better be cheap. Get Canty in here. We have to spend the money

SonOfLe-loLang
02-26-2009, 10:04 PM
yep andre hall is averaging something like 5.1 YPC J.J. Arrington 2.1 YPC

Product of the system. Runners in AZ never have done well, for whatever reason.

~Crash~
02-26-2009, 10:07 PM
Product of the system. Runners in AZ never have done well, for whatever reason.

the guy is junk !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! give it a ****ing rest .

montrose
02-26-2009, 10:07 PM
Hillis starts, Buck spells Hillis, JJ is third down and return man.

That's what I'm thinking. I just don't see Hillis playing FB full-time as McDaniels rarely uses that spot.

Doggcow
02-26-2009, 10:07 PM
yep andre hall is averaging something like 5.1 YPC J.J. Arrington 2.1 YPC

5.1 fumbles per carry AMIRITE!

broncofan2438
02-26-2009, 10:07 PM
Another whifff to start FA

Requiem
02-26-2009, 10:10 PM
People bitching about these signings, step towards a cliff or go to bed. You be the decider.

HEAV
02-26-2009, 10:11 PM
That's what I'm thinking. I just don't see Hillis playing FB full-time as McDaniels rarely uses that spot.

True. Some people just don't get the fact that Josh is going to have more three wide sets, then Denver fan is used to seeing.

montrose
02-26-2009, 10:11 PM
John Clayton reports Buckhalter and Arrington HAVE NOT been signed are only scheduled to visit.

jebures
02-26-2009, 10:11 PM
People b****ing about these signings, step towards a cliff or go to bed. You be the decider.

Clayton said they are just coming in for visits, not signed yet

Florida_Bronco
02-26-2009, 10:12 PM
Glad to see we got a Cornhusker on the roster finally :)

Buckhalter is a good guy and a decent player. He'd be a great backup for us and can carry the load for short periods of time if needed.

Edit: Guess I'll have to wait for that. ~Popps~

ludo21
02-26-2009, 10:13 PM
JJ is fast and is perfect combo with Hillis, great pickup. Buckhalter OTH will be Faulk JR here.

Requiem
02-26-2009, 10:14 PM
Cool, they're visiting. Nice. Hope we sign them.

Paladin
02-26-2009, 10:18 PM
1. They haven't signed yet.
2. I presume they have to make the team.
3. I also presume that Bobby Turner had a hand in deciding whether to "test" these guys.

Conclusion: Peeps on this board can get carried away about most anything and nothing.......

SouthStndJunkie
02-26-2009, 10:20 PM
A mod can edit the title if they want....looks like Alex Marvez jumped the gun.

BroncoMan4ever
02-26-2009, 10:22 PM
i am assuming Hillis is the starter, Arrington the 3rd down back and Buckhalter is a compliment to Hillis.

Atlas
02-26-2009, 11:06 PM
How are these guess better than Pittman and Pope?

Atlas
02-26-2009, 11:09 PM
They just better be cheap. Get Canty in here. We have to spend the money

I'll bet they didn't come as cheap as Pittman and Pope, who Denver just released.

yerner
02-26-2009, 11:28 PM
these dudes suck. hopefully they dont sign. i'll take any two street free agents with less miles.

Kaylore
02-26-2009, 11:29 PM
I'll bet they didn't come as cheap as Pittman and Pope, who Denver just released.

They're younger and not ready to retire.

UberBroncoMan
02-26-2009, 11:56 PM
They're younger and not ready to retire.

To be fair Pope is still young and did a great job for us last year in the time he was in... kind of wish we kept him.

DeusExManning
02-27-2009, 12:03 AM
Not Signed Yet

BroncoMan4ever
02-27-2009, 12:06 AM
by my thinking, i feel these are guys who with their signings show that Hillis is our man to carry the rock for us, and these guys are here to keep him fresh all year long as they have shown to be capable backups and 3rd down backs.

BroncoInferno
02-27-2009, 12:39 AM
They're not totally scrubs. Both have value and likely came quite cheap.

Goddamn you, don't try to reason with these people! We had a perfectly good melt down going on before you came trapsing in!

cutthemdown
02-27-2009, 01:07 AM
These guys won't help Denver much IMO. Couple of role players no better then what Broncos already have on the roster.

SureShot
02-27-2009, 01:29 AM
These guys won't help Denver much IMO. Couple of role players no better then what Broncos already have on the roster.

Agreed. These guys are merely depth or camp fodder. Buckhalter is the front runner for the starting job? I hope not!

watermock
02-27-2009, 01:40 AM
I had that guy as a backup on my fantasy team 5 years ago!

This is becoming a disaster.

HorseHead
02-27-2009, 01:43 AM
take a breath everybody...simmma down now....

Drek
02-27-2009, 02:54 AM
How are these guess better than Pittman and Pope?

Pittman is old, slow, can't stay healthy, and should probably retire.

Pope isn't old, but he is slow and he's never been particularly great. He's a VERY poor man's Peyton Hillis. Hell, he's a poor man's Ryan Torian.

If we have signed them or do sign them in the near future it'll obviously be a move towards building a more well rounded RB stable that can contribute in multiple situations on offense as well as contribute to the return game.

HILife
02-27-2009, 04:17 AM
i think i am gonna go punch my dog

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Broncos_OTM
02-27-2009, 04:21 AM
http://www.funnychill.com/files/funny-pictures/kitty-punch.jpg

http://www.the-isb.com/images/GABatman-DogPunch.jpg

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Whats funny is that i own Two pitbulls and a chiuaua.. great stuff

HILife
02-27-2009, 04:28 AM
Whats funny is that i own Two pitbulls and a chiuaua.. great stuff

http://www.funnystuffblog.com/images/cat-owned.jpg

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lex
02-27-2009, 05:23 AM
rudderless

theAPAOps5
02-27-2009, 05:37 AM
rudderless

Figured you would have some lame take, didn't disappoint.

denvernut1
02-27-2009, 06:05 AM
i just puked in my mouth im so pissed off signing these losers for that
we couldve drafted one ....damthwack

supermanhr9
02-27-2009, 06:12 AM
i'm gonna cry if our FA period resembles these first moves. Why sign two more running backs!! (dumb question maybe, but I think it's unnecessary.)

socalorado
02-27-2009, 06:18 AM
i'm gonna cry if our FA period resembles these first moves. Why sign two more running backs!! (dumb question maybe, but I think it's unnecessary.)

Arrington will be a return man i think.

TheReverend
02-27-2009, 06:19 AM
I really like the JJ Arrington pickup. The guy is underrated. He had a great career at Cal but never seemed to fit in with Arizona. I think he'll probably make the roster over Buckhalter. I've never been a fan of his, even less so with two reconstructed ACL's.

Agree with your main theme whole-heartedly.

Arrington's shown versatility and ability since Whiz remodeled the line to an above average level. Meanwhile, Buckhalter is old, injured everytime you blink, and throughout his career I've been impressed with MAYBE two carries.

Elway777
02-27-2009, 06:19 AM
Both these guys could be solid backups but still need a front line starter in Derick Ward or in the Draft ,maybe Donald Brown.

Popcorn Sutton
02-27-2009, 06:21 AM
Agree with your main theme whole-heartedly.

Arrington's shown versatility and ability since Whiz remodeled the line to an above average level. Meanwhile, Buckhalter is old, injured everytime you blink, and throughout his career I've been impressed with MAYBE two carries.

Me three.

montrose
02-27-2009, 06:22 AM
Why sign two more running backs!! (dumb question maybe, but I think it's unnecessary.)

Well you have to consider the only RBs under contract were Hillis, Torain, Young and Boyd. Of those backs Torain's never shown the ability to stay healthy, Young seemed to lose explosiveness and pass blocking may be his biggest strength now and Boyd is essentially a practice squad guy. We have no idea what McDaniels and Xanders think of any of them however a look at McDaniels past shows a commitment to using several different backs. In addition, that offense prefers versatile guys who can run between the tackles, outside, catch passes, take direct snaps, etc.

I can't speak to Arrington as I haven't seen him play much but Buckhalter is a very New England-esque signing considering we were linked to Derrick Ward. Both are versatile #2 backs who can catch the football very well in addition to running the ball. The difference is that Buckhalter will probably come at about half the price of Ward. Hillis, Buckhalter and Arrington could be McDaniels' Morris/Jordan/Faulk combination that landed the Pats running game 6th in the league last season while paying those guys a combined amount that's very little.

gyldenlove
02-27-2009, 06:27 AM
Arrington doesn't bother me much, he is a speed guy who can return kicks and take a few snaps as a change of pace guy or on screens.

Why the hell would we want Buckhalter? he is old, he is slow, he is not particularly good at anything and he has an injury history.

I heard that so far they are only set up to visit and I really hope that they realize Buckhalter is really old and slow by then and just leave him at the airport and pretend to be waiting for someone else.

montrose
02-27-2009, 06:29 AM
Here's a long TD run by JJ that looks very Denver-esque (assuming Dennison and Turner keep the same running scheme): http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80a3b39e

He can return kicks which should help rest Royal. Here' a TD: http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80b94820

Elway777
02-27-2009, 06:30 AM
I just read that Ward lowed his price to 2.5 million. The Broncos should still go after Ward at that price.

oubronco
02-27-2009, 06:33 AM
I wonder if Turner approves of these two

Elway777
02-27-2009, 06:33 AM
Arrington doesn't bother me much, he is a speed guy who can return kicks and take a few snaps as a change of pace guy or on screens.

Why the hell would we want Buckhalter? he is old, he is slow, he is not particularly good at anything and he has an injury history.

I heard that so far they are only set up to visit and I really hope that they realize Buckhalter is really old and slow by then and just leave him at the airport and pretend to be waiting for someone else. I agree 100 % with this . Ward has lower his price to 2.5 million and would be a much better signing then Buckhalter.

gunns
02-27-2009, 06:40 AM
I'm not understanding these two signings when Ward was still available. I also hope the first line in the article that Denver thinks RB was the most important position in FA, especially with these two signings. I just hope these were some easy, cheap signings. It's the tip of the iceberg and I won't judge until after the draft.

Archer81
02-27-2009, 06:41 AM
Wow. Mane lasted 9 hours and is already crying about two early signings...


:Broncos:

bronco militia
02-27-2009, 06:43 AM
they haven't signed yet, you morons

Swedish Extrovert
02-27-2009, 06:43 AM
Not even 9 hours. I'm hoping they are camp fodder because they arent better than what we have. If Arrington can return kicks, fine, but Buckhalter has never impressed me.

Hillis is a beast and he is more than adequate. He kinda reminds me of Eddie George. Whether or not Hillis is a Pro Bowl caliber player is irrelevant because we should be focusing on our obvious weaknesses - DT/NT and S

vancejohnson82
02-27-2009, 06:52 AM
Arrington won't make it out of camp unless he went under some sort of a transformation in this offseasonl....

Buckhalter is a nice complement...a lot of guys wanted a Kevin Faulk kinda guy...well, there he is

vancejohnson82
02-27-2009, 06:53 AM
I agree 100 % with this . Ward has lower his price to 2.5 million and would be a much better signing then Buckhalter.

did u see arrington play??

everyone thinks he is a pass catching back but he's not...

TheElusiveKyleOrton
02-27-2009, 07:02 AM
1. Terrific pickups.

2. Hillis is not the starter at HB. He will be the starter at FB.

3. These guys aren't camp fodder. Buckhalter is a quality back, and Arrington has an awful lot of upside.

Those who claim they're "camp fodder" are absurd. Tatum Bell is camp fodder. Andre Hall is camp fodder. PJ Pope is likely camp fodder.

Arrington can be a quality back. He was solid at Cal.

Elway777
02-27-2009, 07:21 AM
did u see arrington play??

everyone thinks he is a pass catching back but he's not...
I really Like the Arrington signing but would rather have Ward over Buckhalter

Smiling Assassin27
02-27-2009, 07:22 AM
Folks, that's 4K between 'em in our system...this mcdaniels kid is a-ok.

http://www.google.com/images?q=tbn:MwgXSwZgAYEioM::valueacceleration.fil es.wordpress.com/2009/02/lombardi_trophy2.jpg

vancejohnson82
02-27-2009, 07:42 AM
I really Like the Arrington signing but would rather have Ward over Buckhalter

why not take the money we are giving both these guys and give it to Ward (plus some)

i dont udnerstand the theory of bringing in two guys who have already hit their ceiling as opposed to taking a shot at somebody who might have marquee player ability

Requiem
02-27-2009, 07:43 AM
**** Ward, that guy is a homo.

dbfan21
02-27-2009, 07:52 AM
Is it possible to have the creator of this thread change ther title until these deals are confirmed? As far as I have seen, no one has been inked....

TheElusiveKyleOrton
02-27-2009, 07:58 AM
**** Ward, that guy is a homo.

Sapien?

vancejohnson82
02-27-2009, 07:59 AM
**** Ward, that guy is a homo.


ummmm.....please elaborate?

TheElusiveKyleOrton
02-27-2009, 08:04 AM
**** Ward, that guy is a homo.

Erectus?

http://www.comedycentral.com/images/jokes_vertical/v_images/harland_williams_v9.jpg

2KBack
02-27-2009, 08:05 AM
1. Terrific pickups.

2. Hillis is not the starter at HB. He will be the starter at FB.

3. These guys aren't camp fodder. Buckhalter is a quality back, and Arrington has an awful lot of upside.

Those who claim they're "camp fodder" are absurd. Tatum Bell is camp fodder. Andre Hall is camp fodder. PJ Pope is likely camp fodder.

Arrington can be a quality back. He was solid at Cal.

Arrington was more than solid at Cal, he was great. I remember telling a lot of my AZ buddies that they got a really good player in JJ. He hasn't panned out very well in AZ....but who does. The kid has skills.

vancejohnson82
02-27-2009, 08:26 AM
Arrington was more than solid at Cal, he was great. I remember telling a lot of my AZ buddies that they got a really good player in JJ. He hasn't panned out very well in AZ....but who does. The kid has skills.

he was brought into Arizona with HIGH expectations.....

however, Arizona didnt do their homework onto who this guy really was....he is speed back without the normal qualities in such a player...

for example, he doesnt get to the outside very well, he doesnt catch passes or screens very well, and he doesnt run the draw plays very well...

so unless we are lining this guy up in normal sets, I don't see why we would pick him up...

I LOVED this kid coming out of college and my fantasy teams and my reputation has suffered dearly for it...and now it looks like my favorite team will too

Archer81
02-27-2009, 08:31 AM
he was brought into Arizona with HIGH expectations.....

however, Arizona didnt do their homework onto who this guy really was....he is speed back without the normal qualities in such a player...

for example, he doesnt get to the outside very well, he doesnt catch passes or screens very well, and he doesnt run the draw plays very well...

so unless we are lining this guy up in normal sets, I don't see why we would pick him up...

I LOVED this kid coming out of college and my fantasy teams and my reputation has suffered dearly for it...and now it looks like my favorite team will too



To be fair, Arizona never actually built an offensive line for run blocking. If they ever developed an average running game, they would have won the SB this past season.


:Broncos:

Requiem
02-27-2009, 08:34 AM
Homo neanderthalensis.

vancejohnson82
02-27-2009, 08:48 AM
To be fair, Arizona never actually built an offensive line for run blocking. If they ever developed an average running game, they would have won the SB this past season.


:Broncos:


i mean this is true..but i think the first two seasons he was there they tried to build up a pretty good line for him...it just never panned out....

obviously, im rooting for this to work out...but for thsoe of you saying he's going to be a scatback of sorts, I think you are thinking of a different back

Gcver2ver3
02-27-2009, 08:52 AM
Here is a sliver of info that perhaps implies maybe we actually have tried on Derrick Ward...


-- Broncos Planning Visits --
Fri Feb 27, 2009 --from FFMastermind.com

NFL.com's Adam Schefter reports Denver Broncos HC Josh McDaniels reached out to his former Patriots WR Jabar Gaffney, who is scheduled to be in Denver on Friday. The Broncos also pursued Giants free agent RB Derrick Ward, who has received interest from Denver, the Buccaneers, Rams, Bengals and Lions. While McDaniels reached out to one of his former players, Broncos DC Mike Nolan did the same. Denver attempted to arrange a visit this weekend with San Francisco's free-agent DT Ronnie Fields.

cutthemdown
02-27-2009, 08:55 AM
why not take the money we are giving both these guys and give it to Ward (plus some)

i dont udnerstand the theory of bringing in two guys who have already hit their ceiling as opposed to taking a shot at somebody who might have marquee player ability

Isn't ward almost 30?

RaiderH8r
02-27-2009, 08:56 AM
These are jerkoff moves. We're inking FA's to the second ranked offense after blowing up the D? This is where the FO's head is in terms of early FA priorities? Wow.

I guess I'm just bummed we never made a serious run for Bart Scott. Any rumblings of any quality players being considered through FA for the D?

cutthemdown
02-27-2009, 08:56 AM
I wouldn't give a ton of money to Ward even though Arrington and Bucky do nothing for me.

montrose
02-27-2009, 08:56 AM
CBS4 reports the deal is final with both RBs.

MVP-06
02-27-2009, 08:58 AM
text just said that they have come to terms according to CBS4

theAPAOps5
02-27-2009, 08:58 AM
Got the text too. Let the meltdown begin.

MVP-06
02-27-2009, 08:59 AM
bye Selvin:wave:

Mountain Bronco
02-27-2009, 09:03 AM
He was great at Cal, he was great at Cal, he was great at Cal. Ron Dane was great at Wisconsin!

Non-impact signings. I want some defense.

broncosteven
02-27-2009, 09:06 AM
Now for the defense.

Too bad neither guy plays Dline, SAM, or Safety.

I was hoping they were comitted to fixing the D after letting 6 of our scrubs go.

Heres to hoping we fix the D with the Draft. :^ (

BroncoInferno
02-27-2009, 09:08 AM
Oh lord, people are already melting down. Look, these guys probably got something around the minimum. They'll be brought in to compete, and may not even make the team. Those crying because we did not sign Ward need to keep in mind the kind of money Ward is going to command. That said, I'm a little surprised McDaniels didn't bring Faulk in.

WolfpackGuy
02-27-2009, 09:08 AM
Anybody got the financial terms?

Gcver2ver3
02-27-2009, 09:09 AM
Oh lord, people are already melting down. Look, these guys probably got something around the minimum. They'll be brought in to compete, and may not even make the team. Those crying because we did not sign Ward need to keep in mind the kind of money Ward is going to command. That said, I'm a little surprised McDaniels didn't bring Faulk in.

according to multiple sources, the value for Ward has dropped to 2.5 mil a year...

that's not a whole lot...

Popcorn Sutton
02-27-2009, 09:13 AM
These are jerkoff moves. We're inking FA's to the second ranked offense after blowing up the D? This is where the FO's head is in terms of early FA priorities? Wow.

I guess I'm just bummed we never made a serious run for Bart Scott. Any rumblings of any quality players being considered through FA for the D?

For 8 million/year I'm glad we didn't make a serious run at Bart Scott.

vancejohnson82
02-27-2009, 09:17 AM
For 8 million/year I'm glad we didn't make a serious run at Bart Scott.

agreed...

we are going to address teh defense through the draft more than likely....

not bad

TonyR
02-27-2009, 09:21 AM
we are going to address teh defense through the draft more than likely....

not bad

The problem is we have more holes and needs than the draft can possibly address. We really need to go into the draft with some of our boxes checked. I think Bowlen has some cash problems which may limit the ability to do that unfortunately.

broncosteven
02-27-2009, 09:22 AM
agreed...

we are going to address teh defense through the draft more than likely....

not bad

We cut 6 starters from last year. They have not been linked to more than 1 D player in FA, filling 5-6 slots with rookies is going to be KFC bad.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
02-27-2009, 09:24 AM
The problem is we have more holes and needs than the draft can possibly address. We really need to go into the draft with some of our boxes checked. I think Bowlen has some cash problems which may limit the ability to do that unfortunately.

Where do you get this crap? Bowlen has cash problems? What are you, his accountant?

Gimme a break.

It's the first day of free agency. Calm.

yerner
02-27-2009, 09:25 AM
arrington was a bust of a second rounder in arizona. buckhalter has missed almost three full seasons do to injury. awesome.

TonyR
02-27-2009, 09:26 AM
Where do you get this crap? Bowlen has cash problems? What are you, his accountant?

Gimme a break.

It's the first day of free agency. Calm.

Read this article and then come back and tell us what you learned.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_11799750

Here's the key part:

The volume of players the Broncos are pursuing speaks to the $37 million in salary cap room they created prior to free agency. The second-tier type players they are bringing in suggests the Broncos are not loaded with piles of cash.

They have interest in cornerback Ronald Bartell, receiver Michael Clayton and nosetackle Grady Jackson but those players are at least initially seeking contracts beyond the Broncos' total free-agent budget.

"Everybody is feeling the pinch of the recession and the downturn of the economy," Broncos owner Pat Bowlen said prior to the NFL scouting combine last week. "So it's not like we feel we have a lot of money to throw around. That should come as no surprise to anybody. Newspapers are threatening to close, stores are closing all over the place, auto dealerships are complaining and we're not immune to any of that."

vancejohnson82
02-27-2009, 09:36 AM
why is everyone in meltdown mode??

the answer to the defensive woes is NOT in free agency this year...ok, so we get Hill to fil in at safety (check), we have a few serviceable corners to play opposite of champ (check)....we still need some help up front and I would love for Ray lewis to come in here...but other than that, who woudl you suggest making a play for??

relax....this place is insane....there is no quick fix....thats been our problem in the past...we bring in loads of free agents and end up back at square one the next year

MVP-06
02-27-2009, 09:38 AM
We cut 6 starters from last year. They have not been linked to more than 1 D player in FA, filling 5-6 slots with rookies is going to be KFC bad.

you brought up an interesting point of us dropping 6 starters on our defense, anyone here of any other teams bringing those guys in for a look. I haven't, man our D was crappy last year

BroncoInferno
02-27-2009, 09:38 AM
why is everyone in meltdown mode??


This happens on the OMane every year. As predictable as the sunrise. If we don't sign some big name within four hours of free agency, the hang-wringing commences.

BroncoInferno
02-27-2009, 09:40 AM
according to multiple sources, the value for Ward has dropped to 2.5 mil a year...

that's not a whole lot...

He'll get more than that, I predict. Besides, I think we are better off picking up someone in the draft. Arrington and Buckhalter are just being brought in to compete for a Kevin Faulk type role (speaking of which, I find it kind of curious McDaniels did not try to bring in the real article). At least one of them probably won't be on the final roster.

Requiem
02-27-2009, 09:42 AM
If the Broncos can get some quality role players, people who fit the identity and scheme were going for without spending a whole lot of cash, that is fine by me. I think perhaps our lack of pursuit of high-line names in free agency could be indicative of the fact that we are willing and find it necessary to build through the draft.

We will have several key players from earlier drafts (2006) that will be up for contract extensions soon, and I think McXanders may feel it is best to use the money we do have to shore up the quality on our team that we have now and ensure they're extended; and build our defense and other areas through the draft.

Future foundations, IMHO.

Tombstone RJ
02-27-2009, 09:42 AM
Arrington did play in Arizona though and theyre terrible at running the ball. Maybe he has upside, but I hope Hillis stays the Starter.

Yah, I love the old "Arizona sucks so this player will be better in Denver" argument.

Oh yah, I forgot, the Cards are pretty damn good, hmmm.

no-pseudo-fan
02-27-2009, 09:43 AM
Both will make it, unless Buckhalter really sucks. Arrington is a KR guy too, so I think he is almost assured a spot

TonyR
02-27-2009, 09:44 AM
why is everyone in meltdown mode??


If this is in any way directed at me I'm not in "meltdown mode". What I was trying to convey in my post above is that everyone who thinks we're going to go out and sign several first and second tier FA's is dreaming. It's not going to happen. That being said I was hoping we'd fill a few holes on D with some quality players and it looks like we won't come close to what I was hoping for, so I'm not thrilled. But it's definitely too early to go nuts about it for sure.

montrose
02-27-2009, 09:49 AM
I think Buckhalter's got a little more left in the tank than some may think. He looked 100% to me this season. Watch these clips:

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80db9167

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80b98775

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80b048d7

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80b99444

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80bfdb2a

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80c90ef8

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80c5de75

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80d5dd95

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80d5df33

Karenin
02-27-2009, 09:55 AM
Yah, I love the old "Arizona sucks so this player will be better in Denver" argument.

Oh yah, I forgot, the Cards are pretty damn good, hmmm.

More like the old "Arizona had the dead last rushing offense in the league so this player could be better in Denver" argument.

barryr
02-27-2009, 10:07 AM
Arrington has returned kicks quite a bit, so if nothing else, that could be his role.

Drek
02-27-2009, 10:10 AM
I like the two signings.

Arrington is a speedster who fits well in a backfield that will primarily feature Peyton Hillis. The notion of there being a better pass blocking and receiving HB for our 3rd down back job is rediculous. Hillis blocks like a FB and catches like a TE. He's the 3rd down back as well as the horse for short yardage and in between the 20's. Arrington and Young can battle it out over who gets to be the guy who comes in when we go to a two back set and get 5-10 carries that way.

Buckhalter is a versatile HB option who fits well in McDaniels scheme. We can do a lot of different stuff with him and use him effectively as a part timer change of pace from Hillis.

Hillis is our feature back. People need to learn to accept it. He won't be a traditional 25+ carry feature but he's going to be the most targetted back in the offense, by a mile.

Also don't be surprised to see our offense run out a few formations that has Dan Graham moving to the H-back position when we're in short yardage, lead blocking for Hillis. Graham did it a little in New England and he's now being reunited with the guy who was calling the plays for a decent chunk of that.

Gcver2ver3
02-27-2009, 10:11 AM
He'll get more than that, I predict. Besides, I think we are better off picking up someone in the draft. Arrington and Buckhalter are just being brought in to compete for a Kevin Faulk type role (speaking of which, I find it kind of curious McDaniels did not try to bring in the real article). At least one of them probably won't be on the final roster.

he may get more than that but right now that's his supposed market value so i wouldn't have minded Denver at least making him an offer in that range and see if he bites...then again for all i know they did...

as for the rest of your post i agree...i think we should just draft a RB that can compliment Hillis...i don't mind buck/jj...they come cheap...they may or may not make the team...we'll see...

montrose
02-27-2009, 10:15 AM
1st Deals Made With Running Backs

The Denver Broncos are off and running in free agency. CBS4 Sports' Vic Lombardi has learned the Broncos have come to terms with running backs Correll Buckhalter of the Philadelphia Eagles and J.J. Arrington of the Arizona Cardinals.

Buckhalter and Arrington are due to arrive in Denver on Friday. The contract agreements are contingent upon both passing their physicals. The exact terms of the deals are not known just yet.

Friday could be a very busy day for the Broncos. Several more deals are expected to get done before the close of business. Sources tells Vic that as many as six deals could be announced on the opening day of free agency.

As for Buckhalter and Arrington, both are considered multi-purpose backs who can carry the ball or catch passes out of the backfield. Neither has ever been a full-time starter in the NFL.

http://cbs4denver.com/broncos/nfl.broncos.arrington.2.945901.html

Gcver2ver3
02-27-2009, 10:17 AM
I like the two signings.

Arrington is a speedster who fits well in a backfield that will primarily feature Peyton Hillis. The notion of there being a better pass blocking and receiving HB for our 3rd down back job is rediculous. Hillis blocks like a FB and catches like a TE. He's the 3rd down back as well as the horse for short yardage and in between the 20's. Arrington and Young can battle it out over who gets to be the guy who comes in when we go to a two back set and get 5-10 carries that way.

Buckhalter is a versatile HB option who fits well in McDaniels scheme. We can do a lot of different stuff with him and use him effectively as a part timer change of pace from Hillis.

Hillis is our feature back. People need to learn to accept it. He won't be a traditional 25+ carry feature but he's going to be the most targetted back in the offense, by a mile.

Also don't be surprised to see our offense run out a few formations that has Dan Graham moving to the H-back position when we're in short yardage, lead blocking for Hillis. Graham did it a little in New England and he's now being reunited with the guy who was calling the plays for a decent chunk of that.

i agree with 90% of your post...

the only part i don't is on calling JJ a speedster...he's not all that fast IMO...put i suppose his quickness is more of what you're speeking to...

personally i'd like to see the change of pace back be a guy that can take it to the house...

montrose
02-27-2009, 10:18 AM
I'm way more excited about Buckhalter than Arrington.

TonyR
02-27-2009, 10:23 AM
I think Buckhalter's got a little more left in the tank than some may think.

Buckhalter's pretty good, but you have to manage your expectations because he'd lost almost 3 complete seasons due to knee injuries. We just have to hope he has better luck here, but our track record with RB's isn't very good in that department lately!

lex
02-27-2009, 10:35 AM
Rudderless.

Drek
02-27-2009, 10:35 AM
i agree with 90% of your post...

the only part i don't is on calling JJ a speedster...he's not all that fast IMO...put i suppose his quickness is more of what you're speeking to...

personally i'd like to see the change of pace back be a guy that can take it to the house...

He ran the fastest 40 time among all RBs at the '05 NFL combine, a time that would rank just as highly in this year's RB class.

He's also only 26 with less than 200 NFL carries, so he's got a lot of tread still on the tires.

He isn't Reggie Bush but he's a solid speed option to line up behind Hillis in a two back formation and who can also take some of the ST return duties off Royal's shoulders.

Crushaholic
02-27-2009, 12:26 PM
More RB competition is good. We need to find that superstar RB who can take the heat off Cutler...

cabronco
02-27-2009, 12:43 PM
NE is known for bringing in supposed washed up Rb's & players in general. It looks Like McD is thinking along the same lines. Some teams are just more successful at it than others.

montrose
02-27-2009, 01:07 PM
CBS4 Interviewed him at DIA - a little tough to hear though:

http://cbs4denver.com/broncos/nfl.broncos.arrington.2.945901.html

Peoples Champ
02-27-2009, 01:09 PM
how many RB's do we need. SPEND MONEY ON DEFENSE.

oubronco
02-27-2009, 01:22 PM
we don't need no stinking defense

SoCalBronco
02-27-2009, 01:40 PM
Weak.

Inkana7
02-27-2009, 01:43 PM
THE DEAL IS DONE...per Rotoworld.

Hogan11
02-27-2009, 01:43 PM
My money is on Denver signing nothing above a second tier FA and no doubt planning on moving Hillis back to fulltime FB......whoopdy frickin do :(

montrose
02-27-2009, 01:47 PM
My money is on Denver signing nothing above a second tier FA and no doubt planning on moving Hillis back to fulltime FB......whoopdy frickin do :(

McDaniels barely uses a FB. I think Hillis, Buckhalter and Arrington will be our RB-by-committee.

BroncoMan4ever
02-27-2009, 02:12 PM
people need to relax. FA has only been open now like 17 hours. a lot of the guys we probably have targeted will have multiple meetings arranged with other teams and more than likely won't be signed for at least another few days.

the first few days of FA are for the lower level guys who will gladly take the first offer they get, and for the guys like Haynesworth who get mega deals in the first few minutes of the beginning of FA.

next week is when we will see guys like Canty, Olshansky, Ward, and the good players who will be taking trips and getting their price up getting signed, not in the first few hours.

BroncoMan4ever
02-27-2009, 02:19 PM
McDaniels barely uses a FB. I think Hillis, Buckhalter and Arrington will be our RB-by-committee.

i think Arrington and Buckhalter being signed means, so long to Selvin, and any remaining pieces from the crap heap known as our RB's from last year.
and Hillis is our starter.

I think since it is known neither of these guys has ever carried the load that they were brought in to be 3rd down and complimentary backs to Hillis

i figure Hillis will be getting 15-20 touches a game, rushes and passes out of the backfield, Arrington will be our 3rd down back and return man, Buckhalter a backup who will get his hands on the ball 5 or so times a game.

it also says we won't be taking a RB until late in the draft, if at all.

Pontius Pirate
02-27-2009, 03:25 PM
Buckhalter, IMO, is just as good if not better than Brian Westbrook. I had both of them in fantasy last year and whenever Buckhalter was starting, I was confident he was going to play well - which he always did

Inkana7
02-27-2009, 03:44 PM
Hillis/Torain the starter, Buckhalter the #2, Arrington the 3rd Down back.

I can go with that.

Popps
02-27-2009, 03:50 PM
I still can't tell if we've signed 15 people today, or no one. Haven't had time to dig around, and this board is out of hand with the fake signing threads.

Inkana7
02-27-2009, 03:54 PM
I still can't tell if we've signed 15 people today, or no one. Haven't had time to dig around, and this board is out of hand with the fake signing threads.

5 so far. The two RBs, Gaffney, Hill, and that LS dude.

montrose
02-27-2009, 04:34 PM
CBS 4 just had footage of Arrington arriving at DIA on crutches as he recently had foot surgery.

I still can't tell if we've signed 15 people today, or no one. Haven't had time to dig around, and this board is out of hand with the fake signing threads.

Jabar Gaffney - Confirmed by Schefter
Renaldo Hill - Confirmed by Schefter
Correll Buckhalter - Confirmed by Schefter
JJ Arrington - Confirmed by Schefter
Lonie Paxton - Confirmed by Schefter

Brian Dawkins - Reported to be signed by SF Chronicle, CBS4, ESPN and Fox in Philly. Confirmed to be visiting but not confirmed to be signed by Schefter.
Andra Davis - Confirmed to be visiting by FoxSports.com, no report of a deal being offered.

maher_tyler
02-27-2009, 04:57 PM
Arrington did play in Arizona though and theyre terrible at running the ball. Maybe he has upside, but I hope Hillis stays the Starter.

I honestly hope Hillis stays the FB...give him the ball on 3rd and short or 4th and short..maybe utilize him like Tampa did with Allstott??

montrose
02-27-2009, 05:06 PM
I honestly hope Hillis stays the FB...give him the ball on 3rd and short or 4th and short..maybe utilize him like Tampa did with Allstott??

That's completely against the McDaniels offense. He uses the FB on a very limited basis as an exclusive blocker. He could alter his offense to include more of the FB, but he's more known for using multiple WRs, TEs and RBs.

More likely I think you'll see a committee of Hillis, Buckhalter and Arrington with Torain and Young competing for a possible roster spot.

Karenin
02-27-2009, 06:28 PM
Buckhalter, IMO, is just as good if not better than Brian Westbrook.

lol wat

real life is not fantasy football bro. Westbrook is one of the 3 best backs in the league, Buckhalter wouldn't crack the top 50.

Drek
02-27-2009, 06:49 PM
I honestly hope Hillis stays the FB...give him the ball on 3rd and short or 4th and short..maybe utilize him like Tampa did with Allstott??

Wow that is a MASSIVE waste of talent.

The best use for Hillis is as Kevin Faulk: The Turbo Charged Abram's Tank Version. Get him a half dozen catches and a dozen carries and all he'll do is produce first downs and give big yardage.

I think the fact that he was actually a good FB, the first time a Broncos fan could say that since Griff hung 'em up, has a lot of people deluding themselves into thinking thats where his real value is when he's proven that he can be an above average tailback at the very least, possibly something special with his size and diverse skill set.

Gcver2ver3
02-27-2009, 06:56 PM
He ran the fastest 40 time among all RBs at the '05 NFL combine, a time that would rank just as highly in this year's RB class.

He's also only 26 with less than 200 NFL carries, so he's got a lot of tread still on the tires.

He isn't Reggie Bush but he's a solid speed option to line up behind Hillis in a two back formation and who can also take some of the ST return duties off Royal's shoulders.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=8458

scouting report on Arrington:

Arrington, a former second-round draft pick, has been a big disappointment in Arizona and might struggle to make the team. He dominated at Cal his senior year, but his size and lack of breakaway speed have evidently hindered him in three pro seasons. Because Edgerrin James is on the downswing, there's still a chance Arrington will get a chance, but it's more likely the Cardinals find another alternative.


his 40 time may be ok but doesn't seem to translate on to the field...

broncofan7
02-27-2009, 07:12 PM
He'll get more than that, I predict. Besides, I think we are better off picking up someone in the draft. Arrington and Buckhalter are just being brought in to compete for a Kevin Faulk type role (speaking of which, I find it kind of curious McDaniels did not try to bring in the real article). At least one of them probably won't be on the final roster.

I agree.and I bet it's JJ who gets cut.