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epicSocialism4tw
02-24-2009, 03:03 PM
Yes or No?

If you have a second, please list your state and maybe a little response as to why you voted the way you did.

Archer81
02-24-2009, 03:09 PM
Changed my opinion on this, I dont smoke it, so I dont care. But yeah, why not; legalize it. In colorado.


:Broncos:

Beantown Bronco
02-24-2009, 03:09 PM
It's already been de-criminalized here and made strictly a civil matter ($100 fine for less than 1 oz as of Jan 09). I doubt the "full legalization" issue will see the light of day any time soon here, because they are just now starting to implement the new system.

I think making it a civil instead of criminal matter is a nice compromise. It frees up police time, court time and prisons, and manages to bring in more money to cities and towns via "tickets". I don't think we're ready for full legalization.

SouthStndJunkie
02-24-2009, 03:09 PM
I voted 'Yes' and I live in Ohio.

I don't think much explanation is needed.

Florida_Bronco
02-24-2009, 03:10 PM
Didn't we just have a long thread on this in like...just the last month? Couldn't the drama llama find something else to annoy us with?

Garcia Bronco
02-24-2009, 03:11 PM
Colorado:


3 reasons


Tax Revenue

Hemp Textiles

Decreased Criminalization

Los Broncos
02-24-2009, 03:12 PM
California and no.

epicSocialism4tw
02-24-2009, 03:13 PM
Didn't we just have a long thread on this in like...just the last month? Couldn't the drama llama find something else to annoy us with?

Why so annoyed here?

Are you afraid that you are the enforcement arm of a government operating against the will of its people in regards to this issue?

If you are not afraid, then you should be.

NYBronco
02-24-2009, 03:13 PM
Yes, legalize it to a certain amount (don't know what that would be).

Good new source of tax revenue.

Archer81
02-24-2009, 03:15 PM
My friend Ray smokes like a train. Hes a good guy, he just tokes alot. Shouldnt be that big a deal, IMO.

:Broncos:

bowtown
02-24-2009, 03:17 PM
Yes. It only took us 13 years to realize prohibition was a bad idea, it's unbelieveable that we haven't figured the same thing in regards to all the other soft drugs yet.

epicSocialism4tw
02-24-2009, 03:21 PM
Texas.

I know a few people who use and who live responsible, productive lives in their communities. One of which is a top scientist, another of which is a cancer nurse, another of which is a successful entrepreneur, etc. Not all of them live in this state.

I just dont think that it is an issue that deserves the amount of governmental resources devoted to it. Especially given that research has shown it to be a less harmful recreational drug than alcohol in many respects. Marijuana has never been proved to be addictive, which is a huge advantage it has over alcohol use.

It could be an economic boon as well for a struggling economy.

cutthemdown
02-24-2009, 03:23 PM
people act like because its illegal that mean no money for the economies of the states and whole country.

Just because the money doesn't go to govt in income tax doesn't mean they don't get a ton of money from it. Not to mention all the businesses making money from people spending the money made off it.

My legalizing you diminish the overall revenue making it cheap. The money in tax revenue would be less then they make right now off it.

Houshyamama
02-24-2009, 03:25 PM
California.

Yes.

She was living in a single room with three other individuals. One of them was a male and the other two, well, the other two were females. God only knows what they were up to in there. And furthermore, Susan, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to learn that all four of them habitually smoked marijuana cigarettes
....Reefers.

cutthemdown
02-24-2009, 03:25 PM
weed illegal = big money
weed legal = easy to grow, would be very cheap.

Maybe even cheaper then regular cigarettes which are more expensive to produce. Considering there are about 90% more cigarette smokes I don't see the revenue being that good.

whatever 10% of the cigarettes make for govt would be the tax revenue for weed.

bowtown
02-24-2009, 03:26 PM
people act like because its illegal that mean no money for the economies of the states and whole country.

Just because the money doesn't go to govt in income tax doesn't mean they don't get a ton of money from it. Not to mention all the businesses making money from people spending the money made off it.

My legalizing you diminish the overall revenue making it cheap. The money in tax revenue would be less then they make right now off it.

But again, you are totally ignoring all the money that is currently being spent on criminalizing it.

kappys
02-24-2009, 03:32 PM
I vote to decriminalize small possession - 16 oz or less(yes I know that this is certainly a fair amount) - Class C misdemeanor with no record and a minimal fine aka traffic ticket. Would allow aynone who really wanted to to grow plenty for their own use

Larger dealers/producers should still face more significant sanctions/jail time.

I support something simlar for most drugs - though I think that the amounts should be far reduced for other drugs. i just don't think that putting end users in jail simply for using drugs does anything other than wasting money.

bowtown
02-24-2009, 03:38 PM
I vote to decriminalize small possession - 16 oz or less(yes I know that this is certainly a fair amount) - Class C misdemeanor with no record and a minimal fine aka traffic ticket. Would allow aynone who really wanted to to grow plenty for their own use

Larger dealers/producers should still face more significant sanctions/jail time.

I support something simlar for most drugs - though I think that the amounts should be far reduced for other drugs. i just don't think that putting end users in jail simply for using drugs does anything other than wasting money.

Exactly, but why stop there. Just make it legal but require a license to distribute. Treat it like alcohol. I can brew alcohol in my basement, but if I want to sell it, I need a license. I don't see how this would be any different.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
02-24-2009, 03:40 PM
But again, you are totally ignoring all the money that is currently being spent on criminalizing it.

VERY true.

And if you think that the numbers of pot smokers are as little as 10% that of cig smokers, you are greatly mistaken.

snowspot66
02-24-2009, 03:40 PM
Yes.

The criminalization of weed includes the criminalization of industrial hemp.

We are not just losing money on taxing weed sales and wasting it on law enforcement for stopping weed but also losing out on the industrial hemp industry.

The number of products that hemp could be used to produce is incredibly lengthy and the US is in a unique position because of geography (huge tracts of open land suitable for growing it) to be the major producer of hemp products in the world. Oh yeah. It's also incredibly environmentally friendly. If we go the biofuels route then it will be hemp and not corn or some other crop that has to lead the way.

But the Federal Government deems industrial hemp as the same thing as weed even though the THC content is around .5 or .05% while high quality weed is 10, 15, or even 20% if I remember my numbers correctly. You can't get high smoking industrial hemp. You'll die of lung cancer or asphyxiation first.

epicSocialism4tw
02-24-2009, 03:50 PM
Exactly, but why stop there. Just make it legal but require a license to distribute. Treat it like alcohol. I can brew alcohol in my basement, but if I want to sell it, I need a license. I don't see how this would be any different.

You cant kill someone with potent pot, but you can with alcohol. Im not sure if that sort of license makes sense, but you could require people who sell it carry a sort of license that can be revoked if they sell it to minors.

Blart
02-24-2009, 03:52 PM
No, people get addicted to marijuana they stop going to work, school, caring about life etc. and end up on the streets selling themselves for another smoke hit

do not smoke drugs

epicSocialism4tw
02-24-2009, 03:58 PM
No, people get addicted to marijuana they stop going to work, school, caring about life etc. and end up on the streets selling themselves for another smoke hit

do not smoke drugs

Marijuana has not shown to be addictive in the classical sense in clinical studies.

I would argue that a persons life can definitely end up the worse with overexposure just as with anything else, but do we really need the infrastructure that we have in place to deal with the small amount of users who might need help?

Couldnt we do that better by putting money into health care?

Sometimes you need to rethink longstanding policies, and I believe that this issue and this time call for us to look at this issue with a different perspective than the classical "marijuana makes everyone crazy zombies rampant on the streets" opinion.

Tombstone RJ
02-24-2009, 03:58 PM
Yes or No?

If you have a second, please list your state and maybe a little response as to why you voted the way you did.

I live in Wyoming and I need to get high all the time.

Peace Out.

Hotrod
02-24-2009, 03:59 PM
Even my conservative ass thinks it is stupid to keep it illegal.

bowtown
02-24-2009, 03:59 PM
No, people get addicted to marijuana they stop going to work, school, caring about life etc. and end up on the streets selling themselves for another smoke hit

do not smoke drugs

Hilarious! Sadly, I know more than one or two people who actually live by this line of reasoning.

Ironlung
02-24-2009, 03:59 PM
No, people get addicted to marijuana they stop going to work, school, caring about life etc. and end up on the streets selling themselves for another smoke hit

do not smoke drugs

I hope this is sarcastic.



Kansas. I voted yes because frankly I like smokin it. If alcohol is legal there is NO reason why marijane shouldn't be. PERIOD.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
02-24-2009, 04:01 PM
No, people get addicted to marijuana they stop going to work, school, caring about life etc. and end up on the streets selling themselves for another smoke hit

do not smoke drugs

Thanks for the enlightenment, Blart.

People do not get "addicted" to pot and end up selling it on the street. That's absurd. I know doctors, lawyers, scientists, students, teachers, and business owners that smoke pot. They're productive, contributing members of society.

not one of them has ever sold pot.

Meck77
02-24-2009, 04:02 PM
The voters of Denver Colorado already voted on the issue TWICE. Both times they said..........

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Ironlung
02-24-2009, 04:04 PM
California.

Yes.

She was living in a single room with three other individuals. One of them was a male and the other two, well, the other two were females. God only knows what they were up to in there. And furthermore, Susan, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to learn that all four of them habitually smoked marijuana cigarettes
....Reefers.

I smoke two joints before I smoke two joints, and then I smoke two more.

BroncoMan4ever
02-24-2009, 04:07 PM
Colorado:


3 reasons


Tax Revenue

Hemp Textiles

Decreased Criminalization

agreed. besides weed is better than tobacco and alcohol. i never read about weed giving people cancer, or giving people who don't smoke cancer. and i have never read about someone smoking a joint and then wrapping there car aroiund a telephone pole.

epicSocialism4tw
02-24-2009, 04:07 PM
Okay...its 29 to 3 as of now.

91% for decriminalization
9% opposed

I still havent seen an opinion against decriminalization posted on the thread.(I dont think that Blart's was dissenting).

Please post your dissenting opinion if you have one.

dbfan4life
02-24-2009, 04:10 PM
NM and yes.

Nicotine products kill and destroy lives, alcohol kills and destroys lives. I've never heard of marijuana killing or destroying anyone's life. And no, I don't smoke the stuff.

BroncoMan4ever
02-24-2009, 04:11 PM
the government should round up all the confiscated weed across the united states from drug busts and where ever else it came from, and start selling it. put taxes on it, make it legal, and the depression is over, while also creating new jobs for those who would need to process and distribute it.

the weed smokers guide to fixing America

snowspot66
02-24-2009, 04:14 PM
agreed. besides weed is better than tobacco and alcohol. i never read about weed giving people cancer, or giving people who don't smoke cancer. and i have never read about someone smoking a joint and then wrapping there car aroiund a telephone pole.

Apparently heavy use is possibly linked to increased instances testicular cancer. But is that really a surprise? You put any foreign substance in your body and it will likely increase your odds of having some illness. Burning too much incense is linked to lung cancer. It seems pretty obvious in hindsight doesn't it?

bowtown
02-24-2009, 04:14 PM
the government should round up all the confiscated weed across the united states from drug busts and where ever else it came from, and start selling it. put taxes on it, make it legal, and the depression is over, while also creating new jobs for those who would need to process and distribute it.

the weed smokers guide to fixing America

See that's what I don't want to happen. I don't mind the government regualting and taxing it, but I'd prefer if they stayed out of the actual distribution. Let the private sector do that.

I can't believe I just said that.

broncofan7
02-24-2009, 04:18 PM
I have never even smoked a cigarette so I am not speaking from 1st hand experience. But I can readily state that after being around people who have smoked it, it is my opinion that this country should leave it up to each state to create a RED LIGHT district of sorts where they could legally dispense and patrons could smoke marijuana in cafes/bar type setting. I am also for the legalization of brothels as a way to increase our tax base. It is silly for our laws to treat something as criminal that has been going on since the beginning of time--It has been said that in great times of strife we often find it to be the best time to implement a distinct change in thought and direction--and now could every well be that time.

BroncoMan4ever
02-24-2009, 04:19 PM
See that's what I don't want to happen. I don't mind the government regualting and taxing it, but I'd prefer if they stayed out of the actual distribution. Let the private sector do that.

I can't believe I just said that.

what make it like Marlboro? let a company build up, package, and distribute the product to stores so it can be bought along with cigarettes.

it would work. if weed were legalized and taxed you would create more jobs, bring in more revenue to the economy, and the depression would begin to go away.
also, up the taxes on smokes and alcohol a few cents and that would also help the economy.

broncofan7
02-24-2009, 04:19 PM
See that's what I don't want to happen. I don't mind the government regualting and taxing it, but I'd prefer if they stayed out of the actual distribution. Let the private sector do that.

I can't believe I just said that.

The FDA, as over stretched and underperforming as it is, would have to oversee it.

OBF1
02-24-2009, 04:20 PM
Yes. It only took us 13 years to realize prohibition was a bad idea, it's unbelieveable that we haven't figured the same thing in regards to all the other soft drugs yet.

Who are you to determine what is a "Soft" drug or not. Why not go all the way and legalize all drugs across the boards then. Imagine all of the tax revenue it would generate.

Bottom line is some people will get addicted to drugs and not be able to afford to buy them and the crime rates will continue to climbs (violent) to afford said drugs.

TDmvp
02-24-2009, 04:21 PM
beer vs pot


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any questions ? ...

Hotrod
02-24-2009, 04:21 PM
Ok hold the **** on here. The idea that nobody has ever hurt themselves or others after smoking and driving is retarded. I'm all for making it legal but smoking and driving should be handled like drinking and driving

broncofan7
02-24-2009, 04:23 PM
Who are you to determine what is a "Soft" drug or not. Why not go all the way and legalize all drugs across the boards then. Imagine all of the tax revenue it would generate.

Bottom line is some people will get addicted to drugs and not be able to afford to buy them and the crime rates will continue to climbs (violent) to afford said drugs.

People get addicted to 'LEGAL' medications as well. They are called controlled substances.

broncofan7
02-24-2009, 04:24 PM
Ok hold the **** on here. The idea that nobody has ever hurt themselves or others after smoking and driving is retarded. I'm all for making it legal but smoking and driving should be handled like drinking and driving

ABSOLUTELY. My dumb-ass friend from college changed his wife's brakes after smoking up, and put them on BACKWARDS. DWSmoking should certainly be enforced.

bowtown
02-24-2009, 04:30 PM
what make it like Marlboro? let a company build up, package, and distribute the product to stores so it can be bought along with cigarettes.

it would work. if weed were legalized and taxed you would create more jobs, bring in more revenue to the economy, and the depression would begin to go away.
also, up the taxes on smokes and alcohol a few cents and that would also help the economy.

That's what I'm saying. The government should not be in the businaess of selling it though. The private sector should. The FDA and ATF can regulate, like they do with all other things.

Also, the governement can't allow the sale of illegal drugs it confescates off the street.

TDmvp
02-24-2009, 04:30 PM
Ok hold the **** on here. The idea that nobody has ever hurt themselves or others after smoking and driving is retarded. I'm all for making it legal but smoking and driving should be handled like drinking and driving



/agree i guess ...Cause of young people and people and who don't smoke very much getting stupid high cause they are not used to it....

I have smoked weed 15 years or so , and driving just makes me sober. Any stress does that really ... And it's been a long long long time since any weed got me so high i was the least bit giddy/wasted .... It's just a mood setter for me really . calming like tobacco.

But if they make it legal there need to be rules just like beer and whatnot ...
Not sure how they would test that tho, cause I never look stoned or act it even if i am ... I mean there no test that's going to tell them i just smoked unless i'm visibly staggering and a easy read ... but test would only tell if i have smoked in the last month ... which don't help much in a traffic stop.

BroncoMan4ever
02-24-2009, 04:31 PM
Apparently heavy use is possibly linked to increased instances testicular cancer. But is that really a surprise? You put any foreign substance in your body and it will likely increase your odds of having some illness. Burning too much incense is linked to lung cancer. It seems pretty obvious in hindsight doesn't it?

there are risks with going overboard with everything. eat too much you're going to have a heart attack.

while there are certain risk factors in smoking weed, for the most part, you only hurt yourself. cigarettes give people who don't smoke cancer, alcohol is responsible for car accidents that kill people who don't drink.

weed doesn't have those kinds of side effects.

BroncoMan4ever
02-24-2009, 04:34 PM
Who are you to determine what is a "Soft" drug or not. Why not go all the way and legalize all drugs across the boards then. Imagine all of the tax revenue it would generate.

Bottom line is some people will get addicted to drugs and not be able to afford to buy them and the crime rates will continue to climbs (violent) to afford said drugs.

look at amsterdam, they have weed legal, but have stricter laws on harder drugs like coke, or heroin than we do here.

weed isn't even a drug, it's just a plant, same as tobacco.

Bronco Yoda
02-24-2009, 04:34 PM
ABSOLUTELY. My dumb-ass friend from college changed his wife's brakes after smoking up, and put them on BACKWARDS. DWSmoking should certainly be enforced.

or perhaps leave the brake work to qualified people??? no?

bowtown
02-24-2009, 04:35 PM
Who are you to determine what is a "Soft" drug or not. Why not go all the way and legalize all drugs across the boards then. Imagine all of the tax revenue it would generate.

Bottom line is some people will get addicted to drugs and not be able to afford to buy them and the crime rates will continue to climbs (violent) to afford said drugs.

I don't really understand what point you are trying to make here. You do want to legalize all drugs or you don't?

TDmvp
02-24-2009, 04:41 PM
or perhaps leave the brake work to qualified people??? no?

LOL no doubt ....

DHallblows
02-24-2009, 04:42 PM
I think any logical person knows what a "soft" and "hard" drug is. A natural stimulant isn't something you can compere to/confuse with a chemically produced substance.

Yes-Colorado

Popps
02-24-2009, 04:50 PM
Wow, what a bunch of hippie stoners on this site.

LOL

snowspot66
02-24-2009, 05:03 PM
Who are you to determine what is a "Soft" drug or not. Why not go all the way and legalize all drugs across the boards then. Imagine all of the tax revenue it would generate.

Bottom line is some people will get addicted to drugs and not be able to afford to buy them and the crime rates will continue to climbs (violent) to afford said drugs.

People get addicted now. It doesn't matter if they are legal or not. If anything I would say the inflated price stemming from it being illegal actually drives them into financial ruin (and sends the money right into the criminal world) and a life of theft sooner than if it were legal and cheaper. I think it would be more likely they would OD before they ran out of money. Hell if it's cheap enough they might just join the drunks on the street panhandling for change in order to buy their fix.

Either way none of that applies to weed. It is most definitely a "soft" drug.

BroncoMan4ever
02-24-2009, 05:05 PM
have you ever heard of someone offering to suck a dick for weed?

that is the difference between hard drugs and soft drugs.

snowspot66
02-24-2009, 05:08 PM
have you ever heard of someone offering to suck a dick for weed?

that is the difference between hard drugs and soft drugs.

No but I have heard of a guy who would only sell to people if they showed him their dick. I'm really glad I don't smoke. I'd hate to have to interact with dealers. They just always sound like an off bunch.

TheDave
02-24-2009, 05:09 PM
Wow, what a bunch of hippie stoners on this site.

LOL

I thought the same thing... 54-7


Damn...

OBF1
02-24-2009, 05:10 PM
look at amsterdam, they have weed legal, but have stricter laws on harder drugs like coke, or heroin than we do here.

weed isn't even a drug, it's just a plant, same as tobacco.

Where do you think Coke and Herion come from :thumbs:

NYBronco
02-24-2009, 05:10 PM
weed illegal = big money
weed legal = easy to grow, would be very cheap.

Maybe even cheaper then regular cigarettes which are more expensive to produce. Considering there are about 90% more cigarette smokes I don't see the revenue being that good.

whatever 10% of the cigarettes make for govt would be the tax revenue for weed.

Source...

snowspot66
02-24-2009, 05:14 PM
Where do you think Coke and Herion come from :thumbs:

It takes a lot of processing to get those drugs. Weed can be found growing in the ditch along side the road in every state in the country. Pick it and dry it and there you go.

I can't believe they actually felt they could outlaw a common weed.

bombquixote
02-24-2009, 05:16 PM
I think any logical person knows what a "soft" and "hard" drug is. A natural stimulant isn't something you can compere to/confuse with a chemically produced substance.

Yes-Colorado

Pot has been bred specifically to increase its potency over the past several decades. Average stuff these days is several hundred times stronger than average stuff during the sixties. So in terms of its drug effect, what constitutes a hard drug from a soft drug is a little hazier these days than people are generally willing to admit. Now is it as hard on your body health-wise as blow or heroin? Probably not.

That being said, our stance on drugs tends to be more puritanical than logical, IMHO. I say legalize, decriminalize and tax all of it. Put the same restrictions on it that we do alcohol, e.g., no driving after shooting up, no blow in school, must be 21 to purchase weed, etc. Put a chunk of the tax revenue towards drug education/rehab. Put the rest toward schools, and the let the people make and take responsibility for their own well-informed decisions.

snowspot66
02-24-2009, 05:18 PM
Pot has been bred specifically to increase its potency over the past several decades. Average stuff these days is several hundred times stronger than average stuff during the sixties. So in terms of its drug effect, what constitutes a hard drug from a soft drug is a little hazier these days than people are generally willing to admit. Now is it as hard on your body health-wise as blow or heroin? Probably not.

That being said, our stance on drugs tends to be more puritanical than logical, IMHO. I say legalize, decriminalize and tax all of it. Put the same restrictions on it that we do alcohol, e.g., no driving after shooting up, no blow in school, must be 21 to purchase weed, etc. Put a chunk of the tax revenue towards drug education/rehab. Put the rest toward schools, and the let the people make and take responsibility for their own well-informed decisions.

There are studies to suggest that pot users actually smoke less weed because the weed they have is stronger. It's about the feeling they get, not the quantity they smoke. Makes sense to me but I couldn't say from personal experience.

Jason7730
02-24-2009, 06:20 PM
It takes a lot of processing to get those drugs. Weed can be found growing in the ditch along side the road in every state in the country. Pick it and dry it and there you go.

I can't believe they actually felt they could outlaw a common weed.

AZ... Yes
It was the Harrison Stamp act that started the criminalization of pot, I believe..
The goverment required that you had to have the stamp to have pot, but they did not issue any stamps.

STBumpkin
02-24-2009, 06:28 PM
Yes, commercialize it and tax the hell out of it.

STBumpkin
02-24-2009, 06:33 PM
The one problem I have with its legalization, is this: How would you prevent military members from smoking it? You really couldn't say "its legal now, but you still can't use it" could you?

snowspot66
02-24-2009, 06:34 PM
AZ... Yes
It was the Harrison Stamp act that started the criminalization of pot, I believe..
The goverment required that you had to have the stamp to have pot, but they did not issue any stamps.

Stamps...For a small blotch of ink or piece of paper they sure have caused a lot of problems in this country.

BABronco
02-24-2009, 06:43 PM
Oklahoma. Legalize it ... what the **** else do we have to do down here.

It is purely a victimless crime and there was never a legit reason to make it illegal at all.

BABronco
02-24-2009, 06:44 PM
The one problem I have with its legalization, is this: How would you prevent military members from smoking it? You really couldn't say "its legal now, but you still can't use it" could you?

Do military members drink? Do they smoke?

Why the hell can't they smoke weed?

Tombstone RJ
02-24-2009, 06:49 PM
Pot has been bred specifically to increase its potency over the past several decades. Average stuff these days is several hundred times stronger than average stuff during the sixties. So in terms of its drug effect, what constitutes a hard drug from a soft drug is a little hazier these days than people are generally willing to admit. Now is it as hard on your body health-wise as blow or heroin? Probably not.

That being said, our stance on drugs tends to be more puritanical than logical, IMHO. I say legalize, decriminalize and tax all of it. Put the same restrictions on it that we do alcohol, e.g., no driving after shooting up, no blow in school, must be 21 to purchase weed, etc. Put a chunk of the tax revenue towards drug education/rehab. Put the rest toward schools, and the let the people make and take responsibility for their own well-informed decisions.

Your first paragraph is a great reason to regulate it and control it. Your bottom paragraph is pure nonsense.

Jerry Curl
02-24-2009, 06:53 PM
I live in Wyoming and I need to get high all the time.


Not really 'need' but like to yes.

rubaiyat
02-24-2009, 06:53 PM
look at amsterdam, they have weed legal, but have stricter laws on harder drugs like coke, or heroin than we do here.

weed isn't even a drug, it's just a plant, same as tobacco.

Sure, but it contains a drug. Drugs aren't necessarily synthetic. In fact for the longest while none were.

BABronco
02-24-2009, 06:58 PM
Your first paragraph is a great reason to regulate it and control it.

I disagree. You can just choose your strength. Kinda like liquor. You have choices of 20% all the up to stuff like everclear. It really doesnt matter how potent the weed is because its just weed.

And if it was regulated... do you know how easy that stuff is to grow?

STBumpkin
02-24-2009, 06:59 PM
Do military members drink? Do they smoke?

Why the hell can't they smoke weed?

Because maybe it's not addicting, and maybe it does't lead to harder drugs, but it sure as hell causes apathy. I do not want someone working on my plane after toking up on the way to work. Or manning a missile control radar, or conning an a/c carrier, or standing gate watch, or going on patrol, etc... Apathy and military professionalism do not go together. There are enough apathetic people in the military as it is.

BABronco
02-24-2009, 07:09 PM
Because maybe it's not addicting, and maybe it does't lead to harder drugs, but it sure as hell causes apathy. I do not want someone working on my plane after toking up on the way to work. Or manning a missile control radar, or conning an a/c carrier, or standing gate watch, or going on patrol, etc... Apathy and military professionalism do not go together. There are enough apathetic people in the military as it is.

Do people drink on way to/at work? It should be treated the same way. I wouldn't want somebody who was drunk or high doing any of those. But it shouldn't matter on their own time.

Tombstone RJ
02-24-2009, 07:13 PM
I disagree. You can just choose your strength. Kinda like liquor. You have choices of 20% all the up to stuff like everclear. It really doesnt matter how potent the weed is because its just weed.

And if it was regulated... do you know how easy that stuff is to grow?

I agree with your post. It would all be part of industry regulation. The same type of regulations that are over alcohol and tobacco.

Basically the FDA would put guidlines in for the production and distribution of mari-jah-wana. However, how the product is marketed can be flexible. For example, as you stated, you can have a mari-jah-wana cig. with 10% THC content, or pay a little more for a cig. with say 25% THC content.

I'd be the guy buying the hard stuff all the time. Give me a 6-pack of brew and a pack of 85% THC mari-jah-wana cigs and I'm good to go.

Eh, better throw in a bottle of Wild Turkey too...

STBumpkin
02-24-2009, 07:15 PM
Do people drink on way to/at work? It should be treated the same way. I wouldn't want somebody who was drunk or high doing any of those. But it shouldn't matter on their own time.

The problem is, pot doesn't cause apathy only right after you smoked it. It causes apathy for lenghty periods of time. Now, if they do studies to find out how long apathy lasts after smoking, they can set that as a rule. However, I think it is more of a lifestyle issue than a time length thing. I'm not saying all potsmokers are apathetic, but they can be. On a 30 million dollar national asset, not to mention my life, I don't think I'll take that chance.

bombquixote
02-24-2009, 07:20 PM
Your first paragraph is a great reason to regulate it and control it. Your bottom paragraph is pure nonsense.

It's my opinion that your opinion that my opinion is nonsense, is nonsense. Did you care to add something more substantial?

The way I see it, there is no fundamental difference between being allowed to drink and being allowed to do herion (just for example). You can overdose on booze just as you can on heroin. You can drink yourself into a stupor, just as you can smoke/shoot yourself up into a stupor on heroin. Alcohol used in excess, for long periods of time, is just as addictive and bad for you health as heroin abuse.

So why, exactly, should heroin be illegal when alcohol isn't?

It's fine if you think my opinion is nonsense, Tombstone, but offer something in return, why don't you?

Tombstone RJ
02-24-2009, 07:23 PM
It's my opinion that your opinion that my opinion is nonsense, is nonsense. Did you care to add something more substantial?

The way I see it, there is no fundamental difference between being allowed to drink and being allowed to do herion (just for example). You can overdose on booze just as you can on heroin. You can drink yourself into a stupor, just as you can smoke/shoot yourself up into a stupor on heroin. Alcohol used in excess, for long periods of time, is just as addictive and bad for you health as heroin abuse.

So why, exactly, should heroin be illegal when alcohol isn't?

It's fine if you think my opinion is nonsense, Tombstone, but offer something in return, why don't you?

I've posted several times on this thread and the other mari-jah-wana thread and I really don't feel like rehashing all this again.

But, I respect your opinion. I just think there is a difference between something that grows naturally and something that is chemically manufactured to produce addiction, like meth.

We can just agree to disagree, if your so inclined.:peace:

Spider
02-24-2009, 07:26 PM
meh...... whatever .... Now horseshoes , there a sport .........

gunns
02-24-2009, 07:27 PM
Who are you to determine what is a "Soft" drug or not. Why not go all the way and legalize all drugs across the boards then. Imagine all of the tax revenue it would generate.

Bottom line is some people will get addicted to drugs and not be able to afford to buy them and the crime rates will continue to climbs (violent) to afford said drugs.

BS. People aren't going to get addicted or even try drugs because they are legal, they will get addicted to drugs and try them whether they are legal or not. The criminal nature comes from trying to get the high cost each day of their drug and since it's illegal they also have to come up with illegal ways to get that money. Then there is the drug dealers. How many of them would we put out of business should it be legalized. They are the truly bad part of drugs as they want their money and they'll get it any way they can.

Marijuana isn't in the same category as hard drugs. Even law enforcement are hesitant to enforce the law against it unless in large quantity. Are we trying to keep our prison's or jails in business? 70% of the populations in prison are for drugs. There has to be a better way.

Dukes
02-24-2009, 07:43 PM
If anything just to ease stress on correctional facilities

TDmvp
02-24-2009, 07:56 PM
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Making weed illegal is like saying God made a mistake ...

Broncojef
02-24-2009, 08:01 PM
I'm probably one of the most conservative guys on this board. Don't like Obama or any of the loopy left yet I think its high time we did away with the war on drugs and focus on some real issues. Marijuana and prostitution should be legal. I don't do drugs and probably would never buy the stuff but less government laws, regulations and red tape is a good thing.

Dukes
02-24-2009, 08:03 PM
I'm probably one of the most conservative guys on this board. Don't like Obama or any of the loopy left yet I think its high time we did away with the war on drugs and focus on some real issues. Marijuana and prostitution should be legal. I don't do drugs and probably would never buy the stuff but less government laws, regulations and red tape is a good thing.

I agree. Alcohol is as bad if not worse than weed.

BABronco
02-24-2009, 08:03 PM
I'm probably one of the most conservative guys on this board. Don't like Obama or any of the loopy left yet I think its high time we did away with the war on drugs and focus on some real issues. Marijuana and prostitution should be legal. I don't do drugs and probably would never buy the stuff but less government laws, regulations and red tape is a good thing.

Ahh... but you did not say you would not do prostitution

8')

Broncojef
02-24-2009, 08:07 PM
Ahh... but you did not say you would not do prostitution

8')

A man's gotta know his limitations. I just appreciate a beautiful woman more than a beautifully growing weed I guess. :wiggle:

Beantown Bronco
02-25-2009, 07:32 AM
have you ever heard of someone offering to suck a dick for weed?

that is the difference between hard drugs and soft drugs.

Apparently, you never met Mrs. Bean in her younger days.

colonelbeef
02-25-2009, 09:08 AM
NY. Legalize it and tax it like booze.

epicSocialism4tw
02-25-2009, 11:06 AM
Wow, what a bunch of hippie stoners on this site.

LOL

That's the cliche, but you would be surprised as to what percentage of the populace uses marijuana and from what social strata they come from.

Quoydogs
02-25-2009, 12:04 PM
Marijuana has not shown to be addictive in the classical sense in clinical studies.

I would argue that a persons life can definitely end up the worse with overexposure just as with anything else, but do we really need the infrastructure that we have in place to deal with the small amount of users who might need help?

Couldnt we do that better by putting money into health care?

Sometimes you need to rethink longstanding policies, and I believe that this issue and this time call for us to look at this issue with a different perspective than the classical "marijuana makes everyone crazy zombies rampant on the streets" opinion.
It is addictive, I smoke and I know it is. You need to look at the whole picture though.

Things that would be harder to quit then the goods !

#1 coffee

#2 Soda

#3 Candy bars

#4 T.V.

#5 The internet

#6 Running

#7 Fishing

#8 Hunting

#9 Junk Food

and # 10 The best of all

DRUM ROLL PLEASE

FOOTBALL!!

All of these are addictive, That may be the dumbest excuse I have ever heard of as to not legalize it. Its time to wake up and smell the coffee or what ever.

Rock Chalk
02-25-2009, 12:05 PM
Unreal.

Well, just remember, you get what you wish for.

~Crash~
02-25-2009, 12:59 PM
Colorado:


3 reasons


Tax Revenue

Hemp Textiles

Decreased Criminalization

hell I bet we could let 25% of the people in prison . I don't mind as long as it is taxed to the balls and public use is not tolerated .

~Crash~
02-25-2009, 01:02 PM
oh and to dumb asses that think I smoke are crazy I tried when I was a kid I puked my brains out each time besides I hate the **** !!!!!!!! I am allergic .