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SouthStndJunkie
02-22-2009, 12:59 AM
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_11758159

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For all their needs, the Broncos have made cornerback a top priority.

According to NFL sources, the Broncos will be interested in St. Louis' Ronald Bartell and Pittsburgh's Bryant McFadden once the free-agent market opens at 10:01 p.m. MST Thursday.

The Broncos need a right cornerback after releasing two-year starter Dre Bly last week.

Bartell, who turns 27 today, and McFadden, 27, are younger alternatives to Bly, who turns 32 in May. The 6-foot-1, 210-pound Bartell, and McFadden (6-0, 190), who played some safety at Florida State, are also large by cornerback standards.

Bartell also ran a 4.37-second 40-yard dash as he came out of Howard University. Both Bartell and McFadden came out of the cornerback-deep 2005 NFL draft, when the Broncos selected Darrent Williams in the second round and Karl Paymah and Domonique Foxworth in the third.

montrose
02-22-2009, 01:26 AM
Both guys would be solid additions. Playing across from Champ, you can't have an ego as you're going to get beat - a lot. The key is having a short memory and capitalizing on the chances that Ed Donatell's aggressive man coverage lets you.

BroncoMan4ever
02-22-2009, 01:50 AM
i am down with bringing either of them. although i would prefer Bartell.

and it is a wise investment in my eyes. more than likely Nolan is going to instill an agressive defense that could be capable of making QB's throw ill-advised passes.

i am not saying the defense will be great because with as many new starters as we are going to need there is no way we could be a great defense immediately, but under the correct circumstances we could see a defense the is agressive and makes plays, while going through growing pains.

Vladimir
02-22-2009, 01:52 AM
Bartell please.

MechanicalBull
02-22-2009, 07:05 AM
I'm fine with bringing any of those two in, but you still have to get guys that can rush the passer. If not than getting these DBs mean absolutley nothing.

bpc
02-22-2009, 07:09 AM
Please god, get some big physical CB's so we can start playing some MAN coverage with Champ Bailey.

Why in the world do you trade for the most explosive man to man coverage CB in the game only to zone him out of the defense and make his skillset irrelevant?

broncofan7
02-22-2009, 07:49 AM
Bartell--by far. PIT plays ZONE behind their blitzes--McFadden has had the luxury of playing behind a fierce pass rush and with safety help to boot--neither of which he is likely to get from our defense.

27atwater
02-22-2009, 09:55 AM
Gimme McFadden. Has improved each year in the league and there is a lot to be said for playing for a winner...in the same system we plan to run. He will bring a tough, winning mentality.

UberBroncoMan
02-22-2009, 11:59 AM
I'll take the guy who performed well on the St. Louis Rams (who had as bad a defense as us) over the guy who did pretty good on the top defense in the NFL.

I'll also take the guy who is taller, faster, and younger.

Bartell please!

Inkana7
02-22-2009, 12:07 PM
McFadden is terrible. I watch a lot of Steeler games. He and Ike Taylor are mediocre at best. Give me Bartell please.

rubaiyat
02-22-2009, 01:26 PM
Haven't seen the Rams play too much, don't have a feeling one way or another, but not sure how I feel about another dome DB. Kinda got burned on the last one we brought in and there seems to be a little to the theory...especially if they have to play opposite Champ.

Br0nc0Buster
02-22-2009, 01:39 PM
Bartell would be a much better choice than McFadden

He really was dominant at times, I have no idea why the Rams are letting him test the market.
Bartell was average at best his first few years in the league and just blew up last year.

He has the potential to be a pro bolwer

jebures
02-22-2009, 01:46 PM
Bartell please... i was in st. louis when they played the niners and he straight up dominated at times, i think he even got 2 picks that game if i remember right

broncosteven
02-22-2009, 02:17 PM
Looks like this regime is doing the same as the last regime.

Starting with the CB position and working front from there.

I was really hoping MickyD would target the Dline and win games in the trenches rather than cut Bly and have to scramble around looking for trash the old regime passed on in 2005 at CB.

Please start signing some Dline (lots of Dline) LB's that have experience in 3-4, and safety's rather than screwing around with a position that is wortless if there is no pressure being applied by front 7!

New boss, same as the old boss.

Inkana7
02-22-2009, 02:20 PM
Looks like this regime is doing the same as the last regime.

Starting with the CB position and working front from there.

I was really hoping MickyD would target the Dline and win games in the trenches rather than cut Bly and have to scramble around looking for trash the old regime passed on in 2005 at CB.

Please start signing some Dline (lots of Dline) LB's that have experience in 3-4, and safety's rather than screwing around with a position that is wortless if there is no pressure being applied by front 7!

New boss, same as the old boss.

Oh please. It's a report on who they might be interested in. But somehow you read "Broncos looking only at secondary players" Everything we've done and what the new regime has said points towards getting good Font 7 players.

Br0nc0Buster
02-22-2009, 02:21 PM
Looks like this regime is doing the same as the last regime.

Starting with the CB position and working front from there.

I was really hoping MickyD would target the Dline and win games in the trenches rather than cut Bly and have to scramble around looking for trash the old regime passed on in 2005 at CB.

Please start signing some Dline (lots of Dline) LB's that have experience in 3-4, and safety's rather than screwing around with a position that is wortless if there is no pressure being applied by front 7!

New boss, same as the old boss.

I think it is premature to say that
We havent signed anyone yet
If we sign corners and DONT bring in linemen, then you have a point

But I think McDaniels and Nolan know the importance of the trenches, and to build front to back

Just because we may be interested in Bartell or McFadden doesnt mean we are less interested in linemen and backers

broncosteven
02-22-2009, 02:23 PM
Oh please. It's a report on who they might be interested in. But somehow you read "Broncos looking only at secondary players" Everything we've done and what the new regime has said points towards getting good Font 7 players.

Who have they named at Dline or LB or even Safety? They name CB trash they want to pull a shanny on and recycle but I haven't Heard any other names.

BroncoBuff
02-22-2009, 02:28 PM
I was really hoping MickyD would target the Dline and win games in the trenches rather than cut Bly and have to scramble around looking for trash the old regime passed on in 2005 at CB.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

Word.

Inkana7
02-22-2009, 02:28 PM
Who have they named at Dline or LB or even Safety? They name CB trash they want to pull a shanny on and recycle but I haven't Heard any other names.

"In addition, they mentioned the names of Patriots S James Sanders, DE Mike Wright and DE Kenny Smith; Bears S Mike Brown; Buccaneers S Jermaine Phillips; Jets DE C.J. Mosley; Falcons NT Grady Jackson; and Cardinals NT Gabe Watson as guys the Broncos may have interest in."

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=77284

DBroncos4life
02-22-2009, 02:29 PM
Who have they named at Dline or LB or even Safety? They name CB trash they want to pull a shanny on and recycle but I haven't Heard any other names.
I think reporters give names just to give fans something to talk about during the offseason. I would feel much better about my teams front office if they didn't leak our offseason plans to people.

BroncoBuff
02-22-2009, 02:32 PM
"In addition, they mentioned the names of Patriots S James Sanders
Can't see Josh picking off a Patriot in free agency, not yet anyway. He and Belichick get along very well, and personally I think loyalty mitigates a hands-off policy, this year anyway. There's plenty of other guys out there.

Inkana7
02-22-2009, 02:33 PM
If the Pats are letting him go, he's game.

broncolife
02-22-2009, 02:37 PM
Can't see Josh picking off a Patriot in free agency, not yet anyway. He and Belichick get along very well, and personally I think loyalty mitigates a hands-off policy, this year anyway. There's plenty of other guys out there.

See thats one thing that bothers me with Mcdaniels. He said he wouldnt take any coaching personnel from the Patriots because of his respect for Belichick. I say screw Belichick your loyalty is now with the Broncos and you do anything that will make us better even if it means raiding your old team.

broncosteven
02-22-2009, 03:35 PM
"In addition, they mentioned the names of Patriots S James Sanders, DE Mike Wright and DE Kenny Smith; Bears S Mike Brown; Buccaneers S Jermaine Phillips; Jets DE C.J. Mosley; Falcons NT Grady Jackson; and Cardinals NT Gabe Watson as guys the Broncos may have interest in."

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=77284

Ok so I am wrong. Still Shanny kept bringing CB's the last 2-3 years when we had trouble with front 7,

None of these FA's are big time game Changers other than Brown, maybe Watson.

It pisses me off that all 3 phases of the D need help and we are still talking about CB.

DBroncos4life
02-22-2009, 03:48 PM
Can't see Josh picking off a Patriot in free agency, not yet anyway. He and Belichick get along very well, and personally I think loyalty mitigates a hands-off policy, this year anyway. There's plenty of other guys out there.

LOL so you don't think Kudes and Shanny got along then?

BroncoMan4ever
02-22-2009, 04:10 PM
Looks like this regime is doing the same as the last regime.

Starting with the CB position and working front from there.

I was really hoping MickyD would target the Dline and win games in the trenches rather than cut Bly and have to scramble around looking for trash the old regime passed on in 2005 at CB.

Please start signing some Dline (lots of Dline) LB's that have experience in 3-4, and safety's rather than screwing around with a position that is wortless if there is no pressure being applied by front 7!

New boss, same as the old boss.

i don't think it has to do with them wanting to build from the secondary first. i think this is just the only speculation by Mike Klis that has been brought up here. people are going to think CB is our priority because that is the first bit of info to come out on who we MIGHT be interested in. i am damn sure that McDaniels and Nolan with Xanders have the front 7 as their biggest need, but that doesn't mean we can't also look at fixing the Secondary as well.

broncosteven
02-22-2009, 05:36 PM
i don't think it has to do with them wanting to build from the secondary first. i think this is just the only speculation by Mike Klis that has been brought up here. people are going to think CB is our priority because that is the first bit of info to come out on who we MIGHT be interested in. i am damn sure that McDaniels and Nolan with Xanders have the front 7 as their biggest need, but that doesn't mean we can't also look at fixing the Secondary as well.

I would rather hear they MIGHT be interested in 2 Safeties rather than CB's.

socalorado
02-22-2009, 05:39 PM
"In addition, they mentioned the names of Patriots S James Sanders, DE Mike Wright and DE Kenny Smith; Bears S Mike Brown; Buccaneers S Jermaine Phillips; Jets DE C.J. Mosley; Falcons NT Grady Jackson; and Cardinals NT Gabe Watson as guys the Broncos may have interest in."

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=77284

Thanks for the info. Hopefully they sign
Bartell
Sanders
Wright
trade for Watson

That would be a perfect start.

DBroncos4life
02-22-2009, 05:40 PM
I still wish we Bly :(

WABronco
02-22-2009, 05:41 PM
Who have they named at Dline or LB or even Safety? They name CB trash they want to pull a shanny on and recycle but I haven't Heard any other names.

Bahahaha. Yes! I'm sure you're completely right in your assumption that no other press means we simply aren't looking at any other positions!

broncosteven
02-22-2009, 05:46 PM
Bahahaha. Yes! I'm sure you're completely right in your assumption that no other press means we simply aren't looking at any other positions!

I would prefer to see more threads about Dline, Safety's, and 3-4 LBS than CB talk.

If we had better front 7 we could start Fox at RCB.

Shanny neglicted the front 7 last couple of years, I hope the new regime makes changes and not repeat the mistakes that Shanny made.

mattob14
02-22-2009, 07:29 PM
Thanks for the info. Hopefully they sign
Bartell
Sanders
Wright
trade for Watson

That would be a perfect start.

Works for me. That would shore up some of the more glaring needs before the draft and they'd all be relatively young players that could grow with our D. We're not going to get a lot of impact FA's this year (there just aren't many out there), but if we can shore up the holes, grab a playmaker or two during the draft, and coach up some of the existing talent, we should have the foundation in place for a decent defense.

socalorado
02-22-2009, 09:03 PM
Works for me. That would shore up some of the more glaring needs before the draft and they'd all be relatively young players that could grow with our D. We're not going to get a lot of impact FA's this year (there just aren't many out there), but if we can shore up the holes, grab a playmaker or two during the draft, and coach up some of the existing talent, we should have the foundation in place for a decent defense.

Bartell
Sanders
Wright
Canty
trade for Watson

This would be even better, and would really get Nolan a solid defensive unit going into the draft. Then he could really concentrate on getting as many high picks, and making everyone of them count. I agree.

BroncoMan4ever
02-22-2009, 09:14 PM
Bartell
Sanders
Wright
Canty
trade for Watson

This would be even better, and would really get Nolan a solid defensive unit going into the draft. Then he could really concentrate on getting as many high picks, and making everyone of them count. I agree.

i like that plan and wouldn't mind bringing in Olshansky. i figure if we can address 5 maybe 6 starting spots in FA, then we can go after BPA and not end up having to reach on players we hope can make an impact immediately.

socalorado
02-22-2009, 09:38 PM
i like that plan and wouldn't mind bringing in Olshansky. i figure if we can address 5 maybe 6 starting spots in FA, then we can go after BPA and not end up having to reach on players we hope can make an impact immediately.

Yeah. that will work too.

Olshansky, Watson, Canty


Bartell, Champ

Sanders, Barrett

Use the draft to get the LBs figured out along with DJ/WWIII/Larsen,
sprinkle in a safety and a RB.

Merlin
02-23-2009, 07:53 AM
Shanny neglicted the front 7 last couple of years, I hope the new regime makes changes and not repeat the mistakes that Shanny made.
Enough with the empty hate. Do you bother even thinking about your claims before writing? Are you sure Shanny didn't draft and trade for front 7 in the past couple of yrs? Now if you were complaining about the quality I could understand (and much of that could be attributed to Bates), but complaining that he ignored it is just asinine.

epicSocialism4tw
02-23-2009, 08:39 AM
Looks like this regime is doing the same as the last regime.

Starting with the CB position and working front from there.

I was really hoping MickyD would target the Dline and win games in the trenches rather than cut Bly and have to scramble around looking for trash the old regime passed on in 2005 at CB.

Please start signing some Dline (lots of Dline) LB's that have experience in 3-4, and safety's rather than screwing around with a position that is wortless if there is no pressure being applied by front 7!

New boss, same as the old boss.


Yep.

I'll believe that they are serious about the D-line when I see it.

epicSocialism4tw
02-23-2009, 08:41 AM
Shanny neglicted the front 7 last couple of years, I hope the new regime makes changes and not repeat the mistakes that Shanny made.

Either the BBt addresses the D-line for real, or they are content in thinking that little moves like that moving Jarvis Moss to LB is any sort of solution.

broncosteven
02-23-2009, 12:18 PM
Either the BBt addresses the D-line for real, or they are content in thinking that little moves like that moving Jarvis Moss to LB is any sort of solution.

Excellent point.

Like Moss can play a position that he has never played in the NFL when he couldn't play the position he was drafted at.

I had a bad day Sunday and had my panties in a bunch but I haven't heard anything yet that says we are going to from 30th on D to 28 or from 8-8 to 10-6. Gutting the D may have needed to be done, Herm did the same thing last year and they finshed below us in ranking and wins.

I can't mock Herm like I did at this time last offseason and say that everything is going to be better for the Broncos when they make the same moves this year.

TonyR
02-23-2009, 12:24 PM
Like Moss can play a position that he has never played in the NFL when he couldn't play the position he was drafted at.


You may be correct but if you go back and look at the pre draft discussion of Moss most analysts saw him as a 3-4 OLB rather than a 4-3 DE. And if he can't cut it at either position then he could be out of work before this season even starts. The fate of Jarvis Moss does not dictate the fate of this franchise, why are you making such a big deal out of it? Do you think this staff doesn't recognize that this team needs to add some personnel to the front 7? You recognize this better than they do? You can't really believe that. Back away from the ledge already.

broncosteven
02-23-2009, 12:33 PM
You may be correct but if you go back and look at the pre draft discussion of Moss most analysts saw him as a 3-4 OLB rather than a 4-3 DE. And if he can't cut it at either position then he could be out of work before this season even starts. The fate of Jarvis Moss does not dictate the fate of this franchise, why are you making such a big deal out of it? Do you think this staff doesn't recognize that this team needs to add some personnel to the front 7? You recognize this better than they do? You can't really believe that. Back away from the ledge already.

I already said that I had a bad day Sunday and had a short fuse with everything/anything.

I would like to hear more about them targeting a stud or 2 that can come in and make a difference next year at positions of need rather than hearing about moving a guy that struggled at his natural position and bringing in retread CB's.

KFC went youth last year on both sides of the ball, they went 2-14, we do the same thing on D essentially.

I don't feel that I can pound KFC like I did at this time last year when they did the same thing the X and D are doing to the D this year.

I already apologized for screaming the sky is falling but i would rather hear more about addressing Dline and safeties than CB's.

Is it ok for me to have an opinion or do I have to trust a 1st time ever HC implictly?

crush17
02-23-2009, 01:19 PM
Ok so I am wrong. Still Shanny kept bringing CB's the last 2-3 years when we had trouble with front 7,

None of these FA's are big time game Changers other than Brown, maybe Watson.

It pisses me off that all 3 phases of the D need help and we are still talking about CB.

lol is this guy for real??

epicSocialism4tw
02-24-2009, 02:00 PM
I already said that I had a bad day Sunday and had a short fuse with everything/anything.

I would like to hear more about them targeting a stud or 2 that can come in and make a difference next year at positions of need rather than hearing about moving a guy that struggled at his natural position and bringing in retread CB's.

KFC went youth last year on both sides of the ball, they went 2-14, we do the same thing on D essentially.

I don't feel that I can pound KFC like I did at this time last year when they did the same thing the X and D are doing to the D this year.

I already apologized for screaming the sky is falling but i would rather hear more about addressing Dline and safeties than CB's.

Is it ok for me to have an opinion or do I have to trust a 1st time ever HC implictly?


I think that you can discount the opinion of a fan who does not understand what the downfall of this team has been since Plummer arrived. It has been that the Broncos do not hold their own at the point of attack. Period.

A team that cannot hold their own at the point of attack cannot dictate the terms of the game. They rely on gimmicks and fortune. This has been the story of the Broncos.

The Broncos now have the makings of a brilliant offensive line. That is an improvement for sure.

To become competitive, the Broncos need an appropriate counterpart on the other side of the ball. They need a defense that can dictate the terms of the game in the trenches...a front seven that can make things happen.

Until that happens, this team is an also-ran that collapses every season after the 8th week.

Traveler
02-24-2009, 02:07 PM
Which player has better ballhawking skills? Bartell or McFadden.

epicSocialism4tw
02-24-2009, 02:15 PM
Which player has better ballhawking skills? Bartell or McFadden.

Neither can stuff a gap or get to the QB for a couple of downs.

ICON
02-24-2009, 03:24 PM
Bartell please... i was in st. louis when they played the niners and he straight up dominated at times, i think he even got 2 picks that game if i remember right

Ronald Bartell—a very good player stuck on a horrible team. A fourth year cornerback in 2008, Bartell had his best year in St. Louis. He registered 57 tackles and 19 pass deflections. Looking at his stat sheet, you would probably say it was his second best year. In 2007, Bartell made 67 tackles and had two interceptions.

But what should stand out to a real fan is that he was not a starter in 2006, and yet still had a solid year as a nickel corner, producing starter numbers.

Whoever signs Bartell for the 2009 season is getting a high quality player.

Bartell has tremendous top-end speed as well as recovery speed (just ask Michael Turner) to go along with a very solid frame. I have no doubt that he will be the steal of the 2009 free agency period.

http://www.clanram.com/forums/f85/ron-bartell-most-underrated-free-agent-34674/