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brncs_fan
02-20-2009, 10:29 AM
Just trying to keep all of the information in one thread instead of trying to keep up on multiple threads.

http://www.nfl.com/combine/

Saturday, Feb. 21: Group 1 (OL, SPECIALISTS), Group 2 (OL), Group 3 (TE)
Sunday, Feb. 22: Group 4 (QB, WR), Group 5 (QB, WR), Group 6 (RB)
Monday, Feb. 23: Group 7 (DL), Group 8 (DL), Group 9 (LB)
Tuesday, Feb. 24: Group 10 (DB), Group 11 (DB)

Watch it live here: http://www.nfl.com/combine/live/landing

brncs_fan
02-20-2009, 10:34 AM
Mayock breaking down the drills: http://www.nfl.com/combine/workouts

Schefter also has his combine blog on the NFL site as well.

cmhargrove
02-20-2009, 11:56 AM
Just trying to keep all of the information in one thread instead of trying to keep up on multiple threads.

http://www.nfl.com/combine/

Saturday, Feb. 21: Group 1 (OL, SPECIALISTS), Group 2 (OL), Group 3 (TE)
Sunday, Feb. 22: Group 4 (QB, WR), Group 5 (QB, WR), Group 6 (RB)
Monday, Feb. 23: Group 7 (DL), Group 8 (DL), Group 9 (LB)
Tuesday, Feb. 24: Group 10 (DB), Group 11 (DB)

Watch it live here: http://www.nfl.com/combine/live/landing

So Monday is our big day, huh?

supermanhr9
02-20-2009, 12:13 PM
i Can't wait to see what Rey Rey does

PRBronco
02-20-2009, 12:16 PM
i Can't wait to see what Rey Rey does

Haha, gets measured and explains why he won't be participating?

SoDak Bronco
02-20-2009, 12:33 PM
Here is the Pre-Combine Top 50 from SI.com -

1 Michael Crabtree WR Texas Tech 6-3 214 lbs
Widely considered the top prospect in the draft. Crabtree is a dominant, game controlling receiver with Calvin Johnson-type ability.

2 Andre Smith OT Alabama 6-4 330 lbs
Smith draws a variety of opinions but has gotten the job done for three years. He is a stalwart pass protector who can play a number of different positions.

3 Aaron Curry LB Wake Forest 6-3 247 lbs
Curry is a three down linebacker with a total game. He's an impact defensive prospect that will quickly start on the NFL level.

4 Jason Smith OT Baylor 6-5 305 lbs
Another terrific pass protector, Smith reminds many of Jonathan Ogden. He's a tremendous athlete with a great amount of upside.

5 Malcolm Jenkins CB Ohio State 6-1 201 lbs
Jenkins is a shut down cover man who can effectively play in a variety of defensive systems.

6 Jeremy Maclin WR Missouri 6-1 200 lbs
Maclin possesses home run hitting speed and changes the momentum of games with long pass receptions or big kick returns.

7 Brian Orakpo DE-OLB Texas 6-4 260 lbs
One of the nations best pass rushers, Orakpo is a disruptive force who terrorizes opposing quarterbacks.

8 Eugene Monroe OT Virginia 6-6 315 lbs
Monroe is another athletic tackle with top size, skill and starting potential.

9 Matt Stafford QB Georgia 6-3 228 lbs
The Bulldogs gunslinger is the perfect passer for any vertical offense and a signal caller who does the little things well.

10 Everette Brown DE-OLB Florida State 6-4 252 lbs
Brown comes off a terrific junior season and was omnipresent in the opponents backfield all year.

11 Knowshon Moreno RB Georgia 5-11 207 lbs
Moreno is the complete package at running back and a ball carrier who can be a feature player in the NFL.

12 Rey Maualuga ILB USC 6-2 260 lbs
Injuries plagued Maualuga last year and his play fell short of expectations. He's still a difference maker at the top of his game.

13 B.J. Raji DT Boston College 6-1 323 lbs
Raji was stellar after sitting out '07 and capped a terrific season with a dominant performance at the Senior Bowl. He is hands down the best tackle in April's draft.

14 Michael Oher OT Ole Miss 6-5 318 lbs
Oher plays the position well and has enough talent to eventually develop into a starter at either left or right tackle.

15 Chris Wells RB Ohio State 6-1 237 lbs
The Buckeye ball carrier is a powerful interior runner who can carry the load. He's not a back for everyone but should do well for a ball control team.

16 Percy Harvin WR Florida 5-11 195 lbs
One of the fastest players in April's draft, Harvin can score from any point on the field and is a game breaker handling the ball as a receiver or ball carrier.

17 Mark Sanchez QB USC 6-3 225 lbs
The Trojan junior has great intangibles and terrific accuracy. He must learn to improve his deep passes yet Sanchez has the tools to lead a franchise.

18 Peria Jerry DT Ole Miss 6-2 295 lbs
Jerry is a penetrating one-gap lineman who can fit a variety of defensive systems.

19 Larry English DE-OLB Northern Illinois 6-2 254 lbs
English is another versatile defender who can line up in a three point stance or stand up over tackle at linebacker.

20 Brandon Pettigrew TE Oklahoma State 6-6 260 lbs
Pettigrew is the most complete TE to enter the draft in a while. He was a pass catching demon in college then showed outstanding blocking skills at the Senior Bowl.

21 James Laurinaitis LB Ohio State 6-3 240 lbs
Laurinaitis is by no means an impact player on the defensive side of the ball rather a steady, three down linebacker.

22 Vontae Davis CB Illinois 6-0 204 lbs
Davis is a sensational athlete who flashes the skills to shut down opponents. He's a bit rough around the edges but offers a high upside.

23 Darrius Heyward-Bey WR Maryland 6-3 206 lbs
The Terrapins game breaking receiver strikes fear in opponents with his ability to stretch the field.

24 LeSean McCoy RB Pitt 5-11 210 lbs
McCoy is a shifty, elusive runner with the ability to create his own yardage. Scouts question whether or not he's an every down back.

25 Alphonso Smith CB Wake Forest 5-9 190 lbs
Smith has been a terrific player in college and is a well rounded cornerback with a terrific game. His frame downgrades him on draft boards.

26 Aaron Maybin DE-OLB Penn State 6-4 236 lbs
Penn State's explosive pass rusher offers a large amount of upside potential. He also comes with downside risk based on his inexperience. .

27 Michael Johnson DE Georgia Tech 6-7 260 lbs
Johnson was rated by NFL scouting services as the top senior prospect at the start of the season. His tendency to turn it on and off at will worries scouts.

28 Brian Cushing LB USC 6-3 255 lbs
Cushing's game really developed last season and he was healthy the entire year. He could make a big move up draft boards with a good combine.

29 D.J. Moore CB Vanderbilt 5-10 182 lbs
Moore is a sensational athlete and a cornerback with a bright future. He's a bit raw in his technique yet his speed is enticing.

30 Robert Ayers DE Tennessee 6-3 270 lbs
Ayers has been on a straight shot north up draft boards all season. He's an effective pass rusher who plays a smart game.

31 Donald Brown RB Connecticut 5-10 210 lbs
Brown is a complete back with the elusiveness to create his own yardage and strength to grind it out on the inside. His forty time at the combine is critical.

32 Sean Smith CB Utah 6-3 214 lbs
Scouts are falling in love with Smith by the day. NFL teams feel he can play any of the four positions in the secondary.

33 Hakeem Nicks WR North Carolina 6-2 210 lbs
The Tar Heels game controlling receiver is one of the most consistent pass catchers in the draft. He's another who could improve his status with a fast 40.

34 Paul Kruger DE-OLB Utah 6-5 265 lbs
Kruger dominated the opposition last season and is expected to stand out at the combine. He has the ability to line up at defensive end or as an outside linebacker.

35 Shonn Greene RB Iowa 5-11 235 lbs
Greene is big, powerful and fast. He's also only started at running back for one full season but shows the potential to be a feature runner in the NFL.

36 Clay Matthews LB USC 6-3 240 lbs
Matthews was a career back-up until his senior season. Even with that he comes with a polished game and the ability to play several different linebacker positions.

37 Rashad Johnson S Alabama 6-0 187 lbs
Johnson lacks the classic measurables for a defensive safety but is just a very good football player who constantly makes plays on the ball.

38 William Beatty OT Connecticut 6-6 291 lbs
Beatty is a tremendous pass blocker who vastly improved his run blocking last year.

39 Derrick Williams WR Penn State 6-0 203 lbs
The Penn State senior is starting to translate his awesome athletic skills onto the football field. Williams is slowly becoming a complete wide receiver.

40 Tyson Jackson DL LSU 6-4 295 lbs
After two disappointing seasons Jackson is being labeled as an underachiever. He's a dominant defender when hitting on all cylinders, but that doesn't happen often enough.

41 Alex Magee DT Purdue 6-3 295 lbs
Magee is an explosive defensive tackle that makes plays sideline to sideline.

42 Alex Mack C California 6-4 312 lbs
Mack is a dominant blocker who draws a variety of opinions about his game. He was durable and productive at Cal and could quickly become an NFL starter.

43 Louis Delmas S Western Michigan 5-11 196 lbs
Delmas is a ferocious safety who plays lights out on every down.

44 Eben Britton OT Arizona 6-6 310 lbs
The Wildcats powerful pass blocking left tackle has enticing size and may ultimately end up on the right side.

45 Evander Hood DT Missouri 6-3 298 lbs
Hood offers the potential to be used in a variety of defensive systems. His game took off last season and he has the potential to move up draft boards.

46 Duke Robinson OG Oklahoma 6-5 355 lbs
Robinson struggled with injury late in the season yet is a quality guard with starting potential.

47 Jarron Gilbert DT San Jose State 6-6 280 lbs
Gilbert was unranked by scouting services at the start of the season. He's a dominant lineman with the athleticism to be a tackle or a two-gap end.

48 Patrick Chung S Oregon 5-11 207 lbs
Chung's toughness on the field is only surpassed by his leadership skills.

49 Max Unger OL Oregon 6-5 299 lbs
Unger can play any number of positions on the offensive line. He's a thinking man's blocker with starting potential for the next level.

50 Jared Cook TE South Carolina 6-5 240 lbs
The Gamecocks junior is a terrific pass catcher with natural receiving skills. His blocking needs improvement yet the effort is there.

chaz
02-20-2009, 05:04 PM
the order of that list is very questionable....but I do give originality points...

Mediator12
02-20-2009, 05:27 PM
the order of that list is very questionable....but I do give originality points...

I actually thought it was one of the better ones I had seen to this point. Remember, all "lists" to this point are based off the National and BLESTO lists with some very limited analysis by a few people in the media content business.

The real lists are still in process. Teams start the Draft boards usually after this week.

elsid13
02-21-2009, 05:52 AM
does anyone have official wgth/htg for the combine? crabtree is only 6'1 according to NFL blog

randomtask
02-21-2009, 09:35 AM
Here are a few measurements from the combine: O-Line
Name............. Hgt ........wgt... Bench press
Andre Smith......6'4"........332.......DNP
Jason Smith......6'5"........309........33
Michael Oher.....6'4" 1/2...309.......21
Eugene Monroe..6'5" 1/4...309.......23
Herman Johnson.6'7" 1/4...364.......21
Ebon Britton......6'6".........309.......24
Max Unger.........6'5".........309......22
William Beatty....6'6".........307......27
Alex Mack.........6'3" 7/8....311......DNP
Eric Wood.........6'4".........310.......30

randomtask
02-21-2009, 09:48 AM
RB's
Name.................Hgt........Wgt
Andre Brown........6'...........224
Donald Brown.......5'10" 1/4.210
James Davis.........5'11"......218
Shonn Greene......5'11''.......227
Rashad Jennings...6'1".........231
Gartrell Johnson....5'10".......219
Jeremiah Johnson..5'9".........209
Lesean McCoy......5'10"........198
Knowshon Moreno..5'10" 1/8..217
Javon Ringer.........5'9".........205
Chris Wells...........6'1".........235

randomtask
02-21-2009, 09:57 AM
WR's
Name.....................Hgt..........wgt
Kenny Britt..............6'2" 7/8.....218
Michael Crabtree......6'1" 3/8.....215
Percy Harvin............5'11" 1/8...192
Darrius Heyward-Bey.6'1" 5/8.....210
Juaquin Iglesias........6'1"...........210
Jeremy Maclin..........6'0" 1/8......198
Mohamed Massequoi..6'2"...........210
Hakeem Nicks...........6'0" 1/2......212

randomtask
02-21-2009, 10:02 AM
QB's
Name.............Hgt........Wgt
Matt Stafford..6'2" 1/4...225
Mark Sanchez..6'2" 1/8...227
Josh Freeman..6'5" 3/4...248
Nate Davis......6'1".........226
Rhett Bomar....6'2" 1/4....225

ludo21
02-21-2009, 10:04 AM
Rashad Jennings...6'1".........231

this is our guy

thumpc
02-21-2009, 10:09 AM
It will be easy to trade down this year. Someone will come after J Freeman at 12.

ludo21
02-21-2009, 10:11 AM
It will be easy to trade down this year. Someone will come after J Freeman at 12.

He is going to be terrible. But I agree that a trade down in this draft is possible.

montrose
02-21-2009, 10:13 AM
Andre Smith no-showed the OL drills. Wow.

mattob14
02-21-2009, 10:18 AM
It will be easy to trade down this year. Someone will come after J Freeman at 12.

I would love to see it, but why would a team target #12? The 4 teams that draft behind us all have young QB's in place (Campbell, Brees, Schaub, and Rivers) and there's no reason for a team to want to move up to #12, when the price tag on #16 would be much lower. The only way I see this changing is if a couple of teams start making noise about jumping the Jets and picking a QB and one of those teams, or the Jets themselves, feel like they have to move all the way up to #12 to get their guy.

I really think a team targeting a LT would be a much more likely trade partner.

BroncoMan4ever
02-21-2009, 11:15 AM
i Can't wait to see what Rey Rey does

skip the drills. USC players never do the drills, except for Sanchez this year

BroncoMan4ever
02-21-2009, 11:16 AM
Rashad Jennings...6'1".........231

this is our guy

agreed, or Shonn Greene. either of these guys makes our running game fierce.

SouthStndJunkie
02-21-2009, 12:29 PM
PETTIGREW RUNS A 4.87

Posted by Aaron Wilson on February 21, 2009, 2:17 p.m.

On his third and final crack at the 40-yard dash Saturday, top-rated Oklahoma State tight end Brandon Pettigrew only managed a pedestrian 4.87 unofficial clocking at the NFL scouting combine.

Players are normally only allowed to run twice, but Pettigrew was given a third try because he wasn’t set in his stance on his second attempt. It didn’t work out as he had hoped, though.

“I’m a little bit disappointed,” Pettigrew said in an NFL Network interview. “I put on a little bit more weight and I still did all right. I was expecting to do a little bit better.

When asked if he still considered himself to be the No. 1 tight end, Pettigrew said: “I still think that. I don’t think that I performed as well in the 40 as I was expecting, but it’s over now and I’m happy with what I did.”

Earlier in the day, Pettigrew bench pressed 225 pounds for 22 repetitions.

NFL Network analyst Mike Mayock downplayed Pettigrew’s slow time, saying repeatedly, “Just watch him play. Just turn on the film.”

Meanwhile, South Carolina’s Jared Cook performed like a decathlete.

Cook ran the 40 in 4.42 seconds for the fastest time among the tight ends, had a 40-inch vertical leap and had 23 reps in the bench press.

Other standouts included: Southern Miss’ Shawn Nelson (4.52) Central Arkansas’ Marquez Branson (4.59), Florida’s Cornelius Ingram (4.62), Colorado State’s Kory Sperry (4.69), Arkansas State’s David Johnson (4.71), Rice’s James Casey (4.71), Central Washington’s Jared Bronson (4.71) and Virginia’s John Phillips (4.77).

In the bench press, Wisconsin’s Travis Beckum and Casey were the co-leaders with 28 reps followed by Maryland’s Dan Gronkowski (26 reps), Cal’s Cameron Morrah (24 reps), North Carolina’s Richard Quinn (24 reps), Idaho’s Eddie Williams (23 reps) and Branson (22 reps).

ludo21
02-21-2009, 12:31 PM
im with Mayock. He is still the #1 TE easily.

Maybe only a 2nd round pick instead of late first.

thumpc
02-21-2009, 03:07 PM
McD wants one of these TEs in the mid rounds, I'm sure of it. We're gonna trade down from 12 and spend 1/2 the picks maintaining a dominant offense.

TheReverend
02-21-2009, 03:29 PM
PETTIGREW RUNS A 4.87

Posted by Aaron Wilson on February 21, 2009, 2:17 p.m.

On his third and final crack at the 40-yard dash Saturday, top-rated Oklahoma State tight end Brandon Pettigrew only managed a pedestrian 4.87 unofficial clocking at the NFL scouting combine.

Players are normally only allowed to run twice, but Pettigrew was given a third try because he wasn’t set in his stance on his second attempt. It didn’t work out as he had hoped, though.

“I’m a little bit disappointed,” Pettigrew said in an NFL Network interview. “I put on a little bit more weight and I still did all right. I was expecting to do a little bit better.

When asked if he still considered himself to be the No. 1 tight end, Pettigrew said: “I still think that. I don’t think that I performed as well in the 40 as I was expecting, but it’s over now and I’m happy with what I did.”

Earlier in the day, Pettigrew bench pressed 225 pounds for 22 repetitions.

NFL Network analyst Mike Mayock downplayed Pettigrew’s slow time, saying repeatedly, “Just watch him play. Just turn on the film.”

Meanwhile, South Carolina’s Jared Cook performed like a decathlete.

Cook ran the 40 in 4.42 seconds for the fastest time among the tight ends, had a 40-inch vertical leap and had 23 reps in the bench press.

Other standouts included: Southern Miss’ Shawn Nelson (4.52) Central Arkansas’ Marquez Branson (4.59), Florida’s Cornelius Ingram (4.62), Colorado State’s Kory Sperry (4.69), Arkansas State’s David Johnson (4.71), Rice’s James Casey (4.71), Central Washington’s Jared Bronson (4.71) and Virginia’s John Phillips (4.77).

In the bench press, Wisconsin’s Travis Beckum and Casey were the co-leaders with 28 reps followed by Maryland’s Dan Gronkowski (26 reps), Cal’s Cameron Morrah (24 reps), North Carolina’s Richard Quinn (24 reps), Idaho’s Eddie Williams (23 reps) and Branson (22 reps).

Pettigrew's 40 was one of the strongest things I've ever seen... it was almost like he was chop-stepping the entire distance. Made no sense.

theAPAOps5
02-21-2009, 04:00 PM
Andre Smith no-showed the OL drills. Wow.

Andre Smith also said he hadn't worked out much since the season ended. Either his agent sucks or he doesn't listen. He literally could be costing himself millions.

skpac1001
02-21-2009, 04:42 PM
McD wants one of these TEs in the mid rounds, I'm sure of it. We're gonna trade down from 12 and spend 1/2 the picks maintaining a dominant offense.

Well if he wants vertical threats for when Schef is down, there are some darn good options this year.

socalorado
02-21-2009, 05:04 PM
PETTIGREW RUNS A 4.87

Posted by Aaron Wilson on February 21, 2009, 2:17 p.m.

On his third and final crack at the 40-yard dash Saturday, top-rated Oklahoma State tight end Brandon Pettigrew only managed a pedestrian 4.87 unofficial clocking at the NFL scouting combine.

Players are normally only allowed to run twice, but Pettigrew was given a third try because he wasn’t set in his stance on his second attempt. It didn’t work out as he had hoped, though.

“I’m a little bit disappointed,” Pettigrew said in an NFL Network interview. “I put on a little bit more weight and I still did all right. I was expecting to do a little bit better.

When asked if he still considered himself to be the No. 1 tight end, Pettigrew said: “I still think that. I don’t think that I performed as well in the 40 as I was expecting, but it’s over now and I’m happy with what I did.”

Earlier in the day, Pettigrew bench pressed 225 pounds for 22 repetitions.

NFL Network analyst Mike Mayock downplayed Pettigrew’s slow time, saying repeatedly, “Just watch him play. Just turn on the film.”

Meanwhile, South Carolina’s Jared Cook performed like a decathlete.

Cook ran the 40 in 4.42 seconds for the fastest time among the tight ends, had a 40-inch vertical leap and had 23 reps in the bench press.

Other standouts included: Southern Miss’ Shawn Nelson (4.52) Central Arkansas’ Marquez Branson (4.59), Florida’s Cornelius Ingram (4.62), Colorado State’s Kory Sperry (4.69), Arkansas State’s David Johnson (4.71), Rice’s James Casey (4.71), Central Washington’s Jared Bronson (4.71) and Virginia’s John Phillips (4.77).

In the bench press, Wisconsin’s Travis Beckum and Casey were the co-leaders with 28 reps followed by Maryland’s Dan Gronkowski (26 reps), Cal’s Cameron Morrah (24 reps), North Carolina’s Richard Quinn (24 reps), Idaho’s Eddie Williams (23 reps) and Branson (22 reps).

I like this guy.

Inkana7
02-21-2009, 06:21 PM
Pettigrew's time surprises me, but he's still the #1 TE in this draft. He's one hell of a player.

SouthStndJunkie
02-21-2009, 08:19 PM
WHITE WILLING TO PLAY OTHER POSITIONS

Posted by Mike Florio on February 21, 2009, 10:19 p.m. EST

One of the most intriguing prospects in this year’s draft is former West Virginia quarterback Pat White.

And I don’t say that simply because yours truly attended most if not all of his home starts during four seasons in Morgantown. (But it helps.) White became a great running quarterback, and in his senior season he showed real potential as a passer.

In fact, at a time when many league observer are looking toward next year’s question of whether Tim Tebow can thrive as an NFL quarterback, most are overlooking that White is this year’s Tebow.

After limiting himself to the quarterback position at the Senior Bowl, White now says that he’s willing to play other positions.

“I would love to be a quarterback, but I also want to help in any way I can,” White said. “Whether it’s wide receiver, punt return, whatever. I just want to get on the field somehow.”

The emergence of the Wildcat formation could give White an opportunity to get his foot in the door. But whether he ultimately can be an every-down option remains to be seen.

The biggest red flag, apart from rarely taking snaps from under center, is his durability. He sustained more than a few injuries while running the ball, and he has a sleek appearance that screams out “handle with care.”

But we’re rooting for him — and we’d like to see him get reuinted with running back Steve Slaton in Houston.

SoCalBronco
02-21-2009, 09:31 PM
It's unfortunate that we have so much to address on defense. I wish we could afford the luxury of nabbing Antoine Caldwell in the early 3rd to complete the jewel studded OL. Alas, we will not be able to afford to partake in such luxuries.

BroncoMan4ever
02-21-2009, 10:13 PM
McD wants one of these TEs in the mid rounds, I'm sure of it. We're gonna trade down from 12 and spend 1/2 the picks maintaining a dominant offense.

i am happy about that. regardless of what is brought in for the defense, this is a team that is going to live and die on the offense. if last season proved anything, if our offense is strong, we can win and compete if we have a just ok defense.

keep your strength strong, and get the defense to a level where they can limit teams to 17-20 a game, cause a turnover or 2 a game, and give the offense a short field once in awhile and i am happy.

i would love to have a dominant defense like the Steelers, but i will be happy with a middle of the pack defense, because our offense if given a good RB and some depth will lead us to a lot of wins and into the playoffs, with a middle of the pack defense.

thumpc
02-21-2009, 11:26 PM
This is part of a MHR article. The writer thinks McD wants this package in the Bronco arsenal. I love it! Power vs Finesse in the same formation, mismatches all day. There are some impressive options at TE this year too.
http://www.milehighreport.com/2009/2/19/761326/the-h-back-using-the-magic

Five o-linemen and a QB. One RB and one WR (weakside). Three TEs to the strongside. For years this formation has been discussed over drinks by coaches as the "dream" or "magic" second coming of classical football. The day when football comes full circle and returns to the 1930s and 40s. The day when an offense is run the way it was always meant to run, but with the modern twist of the forward pass and advanced theories learned for the last century. Many coaches believe this formation will be the future of football, and revolutionize the way the game is played. Defensive coordinators like me consider it a nightmare. It will throw most defensive theory out of the window until a counter can be developed. Why is the formation considered by football theorists to be magic?

The formation looks like a goal line formation. The only way to stop the run is to (likewise) set up a goal line defense. But what happens when those three TEs (all a half step back from the line) are eligible to catch the ball? The subtle tricks are just as dangerous. Let's say an opposing team lines up at least one CB to cover on of the TEs. in a run play that CB probably gets knocked on his butt. Not impressed yet?

How about this? In the formation there is still room for motion. There is also room for one or more of the TEs to line up wide. How about one wide, one slot, one back with the RB, then a motion brings the wide in against the line? All of a sudden a pass defense with multiple DBs faces a "jumbo" run play.

The new formations and the new approach would revolutionize many aspects of football. For example, most teams might have one very good CB in a formation (to go against the WR), but place more emphasis on a CB/LB hybrid player to match with TEs on the line. The safety position would likewise probably drop to one on the field. The FB would vanish all together. TEs who further specialize might become "wings" instead of "TEs". The TE and RB become the emphasis in offense, not the QB or WR. "Wings" would not only catch and block like modern TEs, but run and block, further leading to confusion.

Another drastic change foreseen is that the emphasis would change from "run vs. pass" on offenses to "power vs. finesse". The new system could be run as a powerful smash mouth tool, or it could rely on deception and timing."

thumpc
02-22-2009, 02:05 AM
I like this guy.

James Casey 6'3'' 248 lbs


Playing primarily at wide receiver in 2008, Casey was dominant in Rice's spread attack; he finished second in the country with 111 receptions for 1,329 yards and 13 touchdowns.
His 4.71 forty might keep him in the midrounds, but his game speed is just fine!

bpc
02-22-2009, 06:20 AM
I think the TE class is deep where we could find solutions in round 2-5, easily. It might be a good choice to select one if the coaches think that Graham's contract will become a problem.

I think Smith and Crabtree have to be dropping in stock IMO. Impending surgery is never a good thing especially when that player probably is running around a 4.5 and is coming from a gimmick offense like Texas Tech. For Andre Smith, I've sort of seen through media leaks that his head is fat and he's immature. For the talent of what he is though, he still won't make it to us, no matter how bad his interviews are. I fully expect Oakland to take him off the board at 7 if he slides that far.

If he does get to Denver, BPA baby... BPA. I wouldn't even use him at tackle. I sit him right next to Clady at LG and watch them KILL people for the next 10 years.

broncogary
02-22-2009, 06:40 AM
James Casey 6'3'' 248 lbs


Playing primarily at wide receiver in 2008, Casey was dominant in Rice's spread attack; he finished second in the country with 111 receptions for 1,329 yards and 13 touchdowns.
His 4.71 forty might keep him in the midrounds, but his game speed is just fine!

Yep, they're talking Casey up big on the radio down here. I think the NFL told him he'd probably be a second round pick if he came out early, which means we probably won't get him.

Rich Karlis
02-22-2009, 07:39 AM
Im not sure if Denver is looking at centers in this draft but if theres a guy I really like in third round its Eric Wood out of Louisville. 6'4" 310 did 30 reps on the bench. I remember watching this guy man handling the Rutgers dline this season. He plays with a nasty mean streak and hes a smart guy too. Anyone else have any input on him?

bpc
02-22-2009, 07:45 AM
There's a plethora of middle round OL guys that could help this franchise. Take your pick. Wood, Caldwell, Luigs, Levitre or Green among others. The OL is DEEP this year.

Whomever wins the trench war, most likely, wins the game.

Rich Karlis
02-22-2009, 08:00 AM
How about Herman Johnson from LSU? Ive heard a bunch of guys through the years who took the nickname "House" but this guy is well deserving of that name. 6'7" 364 lbs but only did 21 reps on the bench but i guess when your arms are that long its not that easy on the bench. Put this guy at NT and see what happens.

Rich Karlis
02-22-2009, 08:12 AM
Wow some of these 40 times that the WR's ran this morning are pretty sick.

unofficial times:
Heyward-Bey: 4.32
Butler: 4.26
Knox: 4.25
Aaron Kelly: 4.41 ( 6'5" 204)
Maclin: 4.40
Britt: 4.48
Harvin: 4.37

Rich Karlis
02-22-2009, 09:14 AM
Hey anyone else see Marko Mitchell WR from Nevada wearing the Broncos beanie while warming up for the 40 yard dash?

elsid13
02-22-2009, 09:37 AM
Wow some of these 40 times that the WR's ran this morning are pretty sick.

unofficial times:
Heyward-Bey: 4.32
Butler: 4.26
Knox: 4.25
Aaron Kelly: 4.41 ( 6'5" 204)
Maclin: 4.40
Britt: 4.48
Harvin: 4.37

Mike Thomas 4.31

ohiobronco2
02-22-2009, 09:51 AM
There's a plethora of middle round OL guys that could help this franchise. Take your pick. Wood, Caldwell, Luigs, Levitre or Green among others. The OL is DEEP this year.

Whomever wins the trench war, most likely, wins the game.

I'm certain nobody else thinks this is a wise idea, but if Alex Boone goes undrafted, I wouldn't be against us picking him up. He has done a decent job thus far at the combine and has a lot of talent. I don't think OSU does a very good job of coaching as far as the O line in concerned. Of course he has some red flags (that is putting it mildly), but I think it can be corrected. If he owns up to his mistake and seeks out help, he would be a nice luxury on our team.

SouthStndJunkie
02-22-2009, 10:34 AM
SEVERAL WIDEOUTS TURN OUT SOLID 40 TIMES

Posted by Mike Florio on February 22, 2009, 11:15 a.m.

In the early goings of Sunday’s Scouting Combine workouts, a handful of receivers showed excellent footspeed.

Among them (unofficially), Deion Butler of Penn State dashed to a 4.28, Percy Harvin of Florida hastily put up a 4.37, Darius Heyward-Bey of Maryland blazed a 4.32, Johnny Knox of Abilene Christian nailed a 4.25, and Jeremy Maclin of Missouri made the clock stop at 4.40.

SouthStndJunkie
02-22-2009, 10:35 AM
MORE SUB-4.5 RECEIVER TIMES

Posted by Mike Florio on February 22, 2009, 12:28 p.m. EST

There are plenty of fleet-footed receivers in this year’s draft class. In addition to the folks whom we listed earlier, here are some other unofficial times that came in at under 4.5 seconds.

Our unofficial list includes: Kenny Britt (4.48); Demetrius Byrd (4.38); Dominique Edison (4.40); Taurus Johnson (4.47); Aaron Kelly (4.49); Kenny McKinley (4.33); Andrew Means (4.44); Marko Mitchell (4.48); Louis Murphy (4.36); Hakeem Nicks (4.49); Kevin Ogletree (4.37); Mike Thomas (4.31); Tiquan Underwood (4.32); Mike Wallace (4.28).

SouthStndJunkie
02-22-2009, 10:35 AM
PAT WHITE POPS A 4.5

Posted by Mike Florio on February 22, 2009, 11:32 a.m.

West Virginia University quarterback Pat White, who might ultimately be asked to play a position premised on speed, showed on Sunday that he’s got the ability to pull it off.

Unofficially, White ran a 4.5 moments ago at the Scouting Combine.

It’s not blazing by any means, but it’s fast enough to justify giving him a shot at skill positions other than quarterback.

Earlier in the NFL Network coverage of the Scouting Combine, Mike Mayock gushed about White as an overall prospect, predicting that White will be taken in the second round of the draft.

UPDATE: White will not participate in receiver drills on Sunday at the Combine, but he will work out as a wideout at his Pro Day session next month.

SECOND UPDATE: White ran the 40 in 4.49 seconds the second time.

SoDak Bronco
02-22-2009, 10:56 AM
Pat White looks like a QB to me

SouthStndJunkie
02-22-2009, 11:01 AM
KNOX’S UNOFFICIAL 4.25 DISAPPEARS

Posted by Mike Florio on February 22, 2009, 1:10 p.m. EST

Abilene Christian wideout Johnny Knox wowed scouts with an unofficial 40-yard dash time of 4.24 seconds.

Officially, Knox wasn’t quite so quick.

The official numbers for the top wideouts are posted at NFL.com — and Knox is shown at running a 4.34.

The fastest official time went to Darrius Heyward-Bey of Maryland, at 4.30 seconds.

nickademus
02-22-2009, 11:14 AM
Any one else starting to like Rashard Jennings measureables yet? 29 reps @225 I cant wait to see his 40 I hope its not a blistering number so that we can grab him in the 3rd

BroncoMan4ever
02-22-2009, 11:29 AM
This is part of a MHR article. The writer thinks McD wants this package in the Bronco arsenal. I love it! Power vs Finesse in the same formation, mismatches all day. There are some impressive options at TE this year too.
http://www.milehighreport.com/2009/2/19/761326/the-h-back-using-the-magic

Five o-linemen and a QB. One RB and one WR (weakside). Three TEs to the strongside. For years this formation has been discussed over drinks by coaches as the "dream" or "magic" second coming of classical football. The day when football comes full circle and returns to the 1930s and 40s. The day when an offense is run the way it was always meant to run, but with the modern twist of the forward pass and advanced theories learned for the last century. Many coaches believe this formation will be the future of football, and revolutionize the way the game is played. Defensive coordinators like me consider it a nightmare. It will throw most defensive theory out of the window until a counter can be developed. Why is the formation considered by football theorists to be magic?

The formation looks like a goal line formation. The only way to stop the run is to (likewise) set up a goal line defense. But what happens when those three TEs (all a half step back from the line) are eligible to catch the ball? The subtle tricks are just as dangerous. Let's say an opposing team lines up at least one CB to cover on of the TEs. in a run play that CB probably gets knocked on his butt. Not impressed yet?

How about this? In the formation there is still room for motion. There is also room for one or more of the TEs to line up wide. How about one wide, one slot, one back with the RB, then a motion brings the wide in against the line? All of a sudden a pass defense with multiple DBs faces a "jumbo" run play.

The new formations and the new approach would revolutionize many aspects of football. For example, most teams might have one very good CB in a formation (to go against the WR), but place more emphasis on a CB/LB hybrid player to match with TEs on the line. The safety position would likewise probably drop to one on the field. The FB would vanish all together. TEs who further specialize might become "wings" instead of "TEs". The TE and RB become the emphasis in offense, not the QB or WR. "Wings" would not only catch and block like modern TEs, but run and block, further leading to confusion.

Another drastic change foreseen is that the emphasis would change from "run vs. pass" on offenses to "power vs. finesse". The new system could be run as a powerful smash mouth tool, or it could rely on deception and timing."

if we got a RB we could run that offense really well with Marshall lined up alone and Scheff, Graham and Hillis lined up as TE's. i really think a lot of the new formations we run this season, and occasional trick play will really make this offense fun to watch the upcoming season

BroncoMan4ever
02-22-2009, 11:30 AM
Any one else starting to like Rashard Jennings measureables yet? 29 reps @225 I cant wait to see his 40 I hope its not a blistering number so that we can grab him in the 3rd

behind Shonn Greene he is the back i want in Denver. and i think he can be had in the 3rd, which makes him all the more exciting

BroncoMan4ever
02-22-2009, 11:33 AM
Hey anyone else see Marko Mitchell WR from Nevada wearing the Broncos beanie while warming up for the 40 yard dash?

how did he perform?

nickademus
02-22-2009, 11:37 AM
This is part of a MHR article. The writer thinks McD wants this package in the Bronco arsenal. I love it! Power vs Finesse in the same formation, mismatches all day. There are some impressive options at TE this year too.
http://www.milehighreport.com/2009/2/19/761326/the-h-back-using-the-magic

Five o-linemen and a QB. One RB and one WR (weakside). Three TEs to the strongside. For years this formation has been discussed over drinks by coaches as the "dream" or "magic" second coming of classical football. The day when football comes full circle and returns to the 1930s and 40s. The day when an offense is run the way it was always meant to run, but with the modern twist of the forward pass and advanced theories learned for the last century. Many coaches believe this formation will be the future of football, and revolutionize the way the game is played. Defensive coordinators like me consider it a nightmare. It will throw most defensive theory out of the window until a counter can be developed. Why is the formation considered by football theorists to be magic?

The formation looks like a goal line formation. The only way to stop the run is to (likewise) set up a goal line defense. But what happens when those three TEs (all a half step back from the line) are eligible to catch the ball? The subtle tricks are just as dangerous. Let's say an opposing team lines up at least one CB to cover on of the TEs. in a run play that CB probably gets knocked on his butt. Not impressed yet?

How about this? In the formation there is still room for motion. There is also room for one or more of the TEs to line up wide. How about one wide, one slot, one back with the RB, then a motion brings the wide in against the line? All of a sudden a pass defense with multiple DBs faces a "jumbo" run play.

The new formations and the new approach would revolutionize many aspects of football. For example, most teams might have one very good CB in a formation (to go against the WR), but place more emphasis on a CB/LB hybrid player to match with TEs on the line. The safety position would likewise probably drop to one on the field. The FB would vanish all together. TEs who further specialize might become "wings" instead of "TEs". The TE and RB become the emphasis in offense, not the QB or WR. "Wings" would not only catch and block like modern TEs, but run and block, further leading to confusion.

Another drastic change foreseen is that the emphasis would change from "run vs. pass" on offenses to "power vs. finesse". The new system could be run as a powerful smash mouth tool, or it could rely on deception and timing."

this woudl be a hell of an offence to watch so if we could split Sheff and hillis and Graham on one side and marshall on the other with a power back like Rashad jennings we are looking at this "Magic" lineup. I like it and I am not sure how you would defend it. I am not sure what you would call it if your Hb can catch and you move him out would it be a TE spread?

TheReverend
02-22-2009, 11:47 AM
this woudl be a hell of an offence to watch so if we could split Sheff and hillis and Graham on one side and marshall on the other with a power back like Rashad jennings we are looking at this "Magic" lineup. I like it and I am not sure how you would defend it. I am not sure what you would call it if your Hb can catch and you move him out would it be a TE spread?

...and then wildcat it to Royal in the backfield

thumpc
02-22-2009, 11:57 AM
this woudl be a hell of an offence to watch so if we could split Sheff and hillis and Graham on one side and marshall on the other with a power back like Rashad jennings we are looking at this "Magic" lineup. I like it and I am not sure how you would defend it. I am not sure what you would call it if your Hb can catch and you move him out would it be a TE spread?
Marshall is strong enough to play one of the TE spots.

elsid13
02-22-2009, 12:09 PM
Not a lot of speed from the backs this combine

Br0nc0Buster
02-22-2009, 12:41 PM
Not a lot of speed from the backs this combine

I saw on ESPN some receiver ran like a 4.26 40

zowie!

Paladin
02-22-2009, 12:59 PM
I didn't see it. There was a blur that went by.......

elsid13
02-22-2009, 01:04 PM
I saw on ESPN some receiver ran like a 4.26 40

zowie!

WR brought today. (My dark horse Mike Thomas had 4.31 & 4.34 unofficial times). The running backs didn't. Their times weren't bad, but compared to last year they were so-so.

brother love
02-22-2009, 01:14 PM
Nobody here has mentioned Ian Johnson from Boise St. as a possible back for us to target. I like him as much as any of the other back available.

Inkana7
02-22-2009, 01:15 PM
Wow. Ian Johnson just ran a 4.46. I totally didn't expect that. And Beanie Wells runs a 4.59.

Inkana7
02-22-2009, 01:16 PM
Or Percy Harvin to only run a 4.41.

Hallside
02-22-2009, 01:16 PM
Nobody here has mentioned Ian Johnson from Boise St. as a possible back for us to target. I like him as much as any of the other back available.

He's been a workout warrior so far. That should help launch him out of obscurity. He definitely caught my attention on my combine spreadsheet, but I don't know anything else about him.

Inkana7
02-22-2009, 01:32 PM
He's been a workout warrior so far. That should help launch him out of obscurity. He definitely caught my attention on my combine spreadsheet, but I don't know anything else about him.

He's the WAC all-time touchdown leader, over Marshall Faulk. He was the workhorse of that Boise team that beat Oklahoma. His carries diminished after that as Boise got some talented Freshmen on the roster. He's got amazing vision, good feet, and excellent power.

cabronco
02-22-2009, 01:50 PM
Pat White looks like a QB to me

He looked good out there. I thought he was the most accurate, throws the ball with little effort with a nice spiral. I guess the knocks against him are his size, durability, has always played gun formation ?

There's a WR I would steer way clear from if a team was looking for one. He was wearing green gloves and has hands of stone....lol. Actually felt bad for him. Robiske (sp) is a stud, and dude with the beard looked pretty strong.

gyldenlove
02-22-2009, 01:54 PM
Wells didn't do himself any favors, 4.59 is not good.

randomtask
02-22-2009, 02:15 PM
Some RB 40-times

Knowshon Moreno 4.60
Chris Wells 4.59
Shonn Greene 4.63
Andre Brown 4.49
Donald Brown 4.51
James Davis 4.61
Rashad Jennings 4.64
Javon Ringer 4.60

That's crazy. When was the last time you saw a RB class with only 1 RB (Cedric Peerman) running a 4.45 or faster?

ludo21
02-22-2009, 02:47 PM
Agreed the backs werent impressive at the 40.

Mike Thomas official at 4.4 and this is still good. Im excited to see if we can somehow get him.

Pat White has looked great, some team will get a great threat for the wild cat and possible QB with him.

Broncoman13
02-22-2009, 02:48 PM
Good for the Broncos. I'd love to see them get Andre Brown in the 2nd round. I think he'll be a good back in the NFL. Still, I think our best bet is to offer a decent contract to Ward and not worry about drafting a RB. Two weeks ago, I would have said we should think about Wells in the first... but I also expected him to run around 4.45.

Broncoman13
02-22-2009, 02:49 PM
Agreed the backs werent impressive at the 40.

Mike Thomas official at 4.4 and this is still good. Im excited to see if we can somehow get him.

Pat White has looked great, some team will get a great threat for the wild cat and possible QB with him.

I've been high on Pat White for a long time. One of the guys I think the Broncos should draft, and to play QB at that. If he doesn't pan out at QB he can be a very good "Slash" type player. The only thing that gives me pause is Mayock saying he should be a 2nd round pick. He very well may be a 2nd round pick, but I wouldn't take him for the Broncos until the 4th.

TheDave
02-22-2009, 04:08 PM
Looks Like Aaron Maybin has put on some weight...

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh211/mandelgeorge/n9379806_54973222_6909.jpg

Br0nc0Buster
02-22-2009, 04:51 PM
Looks Like Aaron Maybin has put on some weight...

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh211/mandelgeorge/n9379806_54973222_6909.jpg

And the weird thing is those were taken at your house

elsid13
02-22-2009, 05:11 PM
And the weird thing is those were taken at your dungeon

corrected for accuracy

p7superfly
02-22-2009, 06:02 PM
After the RB 40 times, we'll almost ertainly go LB. Maybe CB.

TheDave
02-22-2009, 06:31 PM
corrected for accuracy

Yeah...So? ;D


In all seriousness i would be EXTREMELY leery of him being able to maintain that weight once the season starts.

elsid13
02-22-2009, 06:38 PM
Yeah...So? ;D


In all seriousness i would be EXTREMELY leery of him being able to maintain that weight once the season starts.

I agree with both statements. I worry about a guy all of sudden needs to bulk up to make a pay day. I rather have a guy that been toiling in weight room when thier wasn't a pay day on the line.

Punisher
02-22-2009, 07:12 PM
I like Maybin from Pennstate and Delmas from western Michigan,I think we can land them both

gyldenlove
02-22-2009, 07:17 PM
I don't like Maybin, he is a development prospect. He lacks the strength and a lot of technique to do what we need him to do.

socalorado
02-22-2009, 08:05 PM
I don't like Maybin, he is a development prospect. He lacks the strength and a lot of technique to do what we need him to do.

Yes, yes and yes.

bpc
02-22-2009, 09:34 PM
behind Shonn Greene he is the back i want in Denver. and i think he can be had in the 3rd, which makes him all the more exciting

I'm not even putting that much value in the HB position now. For one, I think Peyton Hillis is going to be a stud in our system. The pats scheme uses bigger backs who can pass block, catch and run for tough yardage. That's all him. Torrain is a good spot back with his injury issues and I would rather Denver look at guys like Andre Brown, Cedric Peerman, Gartrell Johnson (CSU) or Arian Foster in rounds 4-7. We just need to get a uniform build for our guys and go from there. All of those guys are sleepers that could produce well on the next level.

The high picks should be reserved for BPA or strictly front 7 defense.

bpc
02-22-2009, 09:35 PM
Wow. Ian Johnson just ran a 4.46. I totally didn't expect that. And Beanie Wells runs a 4.59.

The only thing I would say about that is Beanie Wells is game fast. I expect that he truly runs at least a 4.3-4.4 and that speed transitions on the football field too.

When you are BLOWING by LSU and Michigan defenders, your speed is good enough. Guaranteed scouts aren't really putting much stock into his 40 time. They know better.

bpc
02-22-2009, 09:38 PM
Tomorrow is the date that I have circled in this combine. We get to see the DL and LB's work out. That is where a majority of our work will need to commence on draft day.

Paladin
02-22-2009, 09:43 PM
I'm not even putting that much value in the HB position now. For one, I think Peyton Hillis is going to be a stud in our system. The pats scheme uses bigger backs who can pass block, catch and run for tough yardage. That's all him. Torrain is a good spot back with his injury issues and I would rather Denver look at guys like Andre Brown, Cedric Peerman, Gartrell Johnson (CSU) or Arian Foster in rounds 4-7. We just need to get a uniform build for our guys and go from there. All of those guys are sleepers that could produce well on the next level.

The high picks should be reserved for BPA or strictly front 7 defense.

Agree with you, Chris....

BroncoMan4ever
02-22-2009, 10:37 PM
Looks Like Aaron Maybin has put on some weight...

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh211/mandelgeorge/n9379806_54973222_6909.jpg

damn , i wonder of he is he working out with Merriman and Castillo?

BroncoMan4ever
02-22-2009, 10:40 PM
After the RB 40 times, we'll almost ertainly go LB. Maybe CB.

we are still going to go after a RB by the 3rd round, and hopefully it is Shonn Greene or Rashard Jennings.

i am not going to put much stock in these numbers in the 40 because i don't care if a RB has track star speed. i want strength, vision, and game speed.

look at TD, he ran like a 4.65 in his 40 and was without question the best RB in football for a 3 year stretch. he had game speed, not track speed.

BroncoMan4ever
02-22-2009, 10:43 PM
I'm not even putting that much value in the HB position now. For one, I think Peyton Hillis is going to be a stud in our system. The pats scheme uses bigger backs who can pass block, catch and run for tough yardage. That's all him. Torrain is a good spot back with his injury issues and I would rather Denver look at guys like Andre Brown, Cedric Peerman, Gartrell Johnson (CSU) or Arian Foster in rounds 4-7. We just need to get a uniform build for our guys and go from there. All of those guys are sleepers that could produce well on the next level.

The high picks should be reserved for BPA or strictly front 7 defense.

i agree completely that Hillis could be a stud RB for us. but i just feel he will end up being used like the Pats use Kevin Faulk.

i also think with a full offseason of training and conditioning like a RB, working on speed drills, stamina, and his conditioning, to go along with the mainly strength training he is put through as a FB, that he could not only be a good RB, but an every down RB that could carry the load 20+ times a game.

Natedog24
02-22-2009, 11:16 PM
I'm shocked by Ian Johnson's 40 time as well. I've seen him play numerous times and I never would have guessed that he had 4.4 type speed. His combine number should find him a home somewhere in the NFL Although his durability will be a huge issue in the NFL, he should fit the RB by committee mold pretty well.

Broncoman13
02-23-2009, 05:32 AM
Or Percy Harvin to only run a 4.41.

Not worried about Percy Harvin running a 4.41. He has football speed. His speed transfers 100% to the football field. Look at a guy like Tatum Bell and then look at Percy Harvin. Tatum ran a 4.3 40 but Percy is much faster on the field. That is why 40's are overrated.

Some interesting 40's for you...

Anquan Boldin- 4.7
Terrell Davis- 4.7
Mike Anderson- 4.6

all three have or had more than adequate football speed. Guys that run in the 4.5s or 4.6s didn't shoot themselves in the foot... unless the scouts go back, look at their game tape and see that they don't have football speed. At RB you need a guy that can stop and start quickly. If he has an explosive first step and can get to his top speed quickly, you'll find a good RB. Thus the importance on the 10 yard split times.

Beanie Wells had a 10'8" standing broad jump. If you watched any of the combine, you can attest that he also had a few that were damn near 11' but he would either barely fall backward or forward before they would mark his jump. The second time jumping, he ended up with a 10'7" mark... after about 7 tries. Only losing an inch compared to his first jump after that many attempts tells me a lot. He may have only ran in the 4.6's, but he is explosive. I'm guessing he'll get his speed up to the low 4.5s by his pro-day and this will all be a moot point. Either way, the scouts will see that he has game speed and his speed on the field is more than adequate. As Bronco fans, we can only hope that a guy like Moreno or Wells falls b/c of his 40 time. Neither of them will fall, but imagine one of those guys falling to us in the 2nd round. Just as possible is a guy like Shonn Greene falling to us in the 3rd round.

Broncoman13
02-23-2009, 05:38 AM
One more thing to add, the 40s by this year's group of RBs seems to be pretty average but you know that they have game speed. Guys like Moreno, Wells, Jennings, and Brown have been very productive in college so it shouldn't hurt their draft chances... But how impressive do guys like McFadden and Stewart look now? Especially Stewart, who at almost the same size as Wells, ran a 4.35! Impressive!

ohiobronco2
02-23-2009, 07:28 AM
One more thing to add, the 40s by this year's group of RBs seems to be pretty average but you know that they have game speed. Guys like Moreno, Wells, Jennings, and Brown have been very productive in college so it shouldn't hurt their draft chances... But how impressive do guys like McFadden and Stewart look now? Especially Stewart, who at almost the same size as Wells, ran a 4.35! Impressive!

Yeah and it showed last year. When healthy, Stewart was a beast. I'm sure these guys will all run better at their pro days. I think Moreno was the most disappointing. For his size I'd expect him to be faster, Beanie ran essentially the same 40 with 20 more LBS.

nickademus
02-23-2009, 07:52 AM
Yeah and it showed last year. When healthy, Stewart was a beast. I'm sure these guys will all run better at their pro days. I think Moreno was the most disappointing. For his size I'd expect him to be faster, Beanie ran essentially the same 40 with 20 more LBS.

Most of us expected Moreno to run an average 40 he just doesnt have that extra gear that the RBs last year had. Wells pretty much cemented his status as the no1 RB IMHO but if we are gonna draft a back I still want the kid from Liberty in the 4th.

Kaylore
02-23-2009, 09:50 AM
Am I the only one who is looking more closely at Knox? He seemed pretty productive the concerns about his speed are a joke now...

TheReverend
02-23-2009, 10:18 AM
Well Everette Brown and Orakpo have shown good and comparable straight line speed now.

Brown ran a 4.73, Orakpo a 4.7

I'd LOVE to see their 10 times.

NYBronc
02-23-2009, 10:30 AM
Maualuga just came up limping after his 40.

bpc
02-23-2009, 12:01 PM
This won't do much to relieve people about Rey's injury issues. Not good for him.

Michael Johnson is blowing the combine away from what I've seen. He has the loosest hips I've ever seen for a big guy. His hot/cold motor scares the hell out of me but it's SO hard to find guys with size/speed ratio like Julius Peppers, Mario Williams or Michael Johnson.

Another guy who boosted his stock in my eyes is Jasper Brinkley. The guy has always had the goods and outside of an injured ACL, he's performed at an extremely high level. He is sitting at roughly about 255 down 10 lbs from his playing weight at little SC, and he just hit a low 4.6, high 4.7 which is great for his size. He's probably moved up to a 3rd/4th round pick with his 40 time. IMO opinion he has some of the best instincts I've seen at the position this year.

MagicHef
02-23-2009, 12:15 PM
Did Maybin really run a 4.89 40? I thought he was supposed to be one of the fastest DE/OLBs.

Broncoman13
02-23-2009, 01:27 PM
This won't do much to relieve people about Rey's injury issues. Not good for him.

Michael Johnson is blowing the combine away from what I've seen. He has the loosest hips I've ever seen for a big guy. His hot/cold motor scares the hell out of me but it's SO hard to find guys with size/speed ratio like Julius Peppers, Mario Williams or Michael Johnson.

Another guy who boosted his stock in my eyes is Jasper Brinkley. The guy has always had the goods and outside of an injured ACL, he's performed at an extremely high level. He is sitting at roughly about 255 down 10 lbs from his playing weight at little SC, and he just hit a low 4.6, high 4.7 which is great for his size. He's probably moved up to a 3rd/4th round pick with his 40 time. IMO opinion he has some of the best instincts I've seen at the position this year.

Jasper Brinkley was a 4th round pick when people were expecting him to run in the mid 4.8s! He's probably put himself into late first day early second day running. I would be okay with the Broncos taking him early in the second day (3rd round) provided we get a couple nice DL guys in the first and second rounds.

1. Everette Brown
2. Ron Brace
3. Jasper Brinkley

That would be a nice start to the draft!

SoDak Bronco
02-23-2009, 01:43 PM
i want denver to grab EBrown or Cushing

elsid13
02-23-2009, 01:51 PM
How did Sam Hill look?

MagicHef
02-23-2009, 02:07 PM
How did Sam Hill look?

Measured at 6'4" 329, ran the 40 in 5.11. Those are all the results I can see for him so far.

e-mac
02-23-2009, 02:28 PM
Terrence Taylor looked good today moved well plus 37 reps on the bench

Paladin
02-23-2009, 03:42 PM
I think the Broncos can get a decent NT prospect in this draft to go with one FA. The question is getting the LBs and DEs......

~Crash~
02-23-2009, 07:59 PM
Rashad Jennings...6'1".........231

this is our guy

After seeing his short shuttle yes he just might be .

~Crash~
02-23-2009, 08:13 PM
He's been a workout warrior so far. That should help launch him out of obscurity. He definitely caught my attention on my combine spreadsheet, but I don't know anything else about him.

well he was damn fine for two years then Avery and him split carries but Ian is a TD recorder holder and he is a good at making the first guy mis . My problem is he got married and his production went down RB Avery is part of that I think before that he was one of the best RB's in College

BroncoMan4ever
02-23-2009, 09:08 PM
After seeing his short shuttle yes he just might be .

i agree. get him with our 3rd round pick and we will finally have a RB that is actually good.

(i consider Hillis to be an H-Back and not a RB. clarifying that before i get flamed)

400HZ
02-23-2009, 09:14 PM
Jasper Brinkley was a 4th round pick when people were expecting him to run in the mid 4.8s! He's probably put himself into late first day early second day running. I would be okay with the Broncos taking him early in the second day (3rd round) provided we get a couple nice DL guys in the first and second rounds.

1. Everette Brown
2. Ron Brace
3. Jasper Brinkley

That would be a nice start to the draft!

I would be really, really pissed off if you guys ended up with those guys. Brown especially, he's amazing.

bpc
02-23-2009, 09:41 PM
I would be stoked with a setup of

1. Brown
2. DE prospect/Kruger/Gilber/Jackson
3. Jasper Brinkley

brncs_fan
02-24-2009, 09:40 AM
Delmas looked smooth in his transitions today that I saw. I am warming to him.

ludo21
02-24-2009, 10:03 AM
Delmas is going to be solid. I wont be mad at all if we can get him.

Kaylore
02-24-2009, 10:59 AM
The numbers for the corners are pretty slow this year...

montrose
02-24-2009, 11:24 AM
The numbers for the corners are pretty slow this year...

Mayock and Charles Davis think Jenkins projects to being a Pro Bowl FS as a rookie. That's a great value to pass up if he's there at #12, but damn we've got to build up the front-7.

SoDak Bronco
02-24-2009, 11:42 AM
I liked what I saw from Sean Smith from Utah. The dude is freaking big and ran pretty well. Mayock said he has the body type of Mel Blount

gyldenlove
02-24-2009, 11:49 AM
Chip Vaughn, he is going to fly up boards with that 40 time.

Elway777
02-24-2009, 12:19 PM
I liked what I saw from Sean Smith from Utah. The dude is freaking big and ran pretty well. Mayock said he has the body type of Mel Blount Do the Broncos trade down from 12 pick and pick up a couple extra draft picks and pick him in the first round. If the Broncos draft Smith in the first then draft Chip Vaughn in the 3 and sign Bartell as free agent corner. Also add a veterean Safety like Sharper. The Broncos secondary would be Rcb Bartell, Bell Lcb Bailey , Williams Fs Sharper, Smith SS Vaughn , Barnett

PRBronco
02-24-2009, 12:29 PM
Mayock and Charles Davis think Jenkins projects to being a Pro Bowl FS as a rookie. That's a great value to pass up if he's there at #12, but damn we've got to build up the front-7.

Yeah I'm intrigued, but also spending a pick that high on someone who'll be changing positions can backfire.

montrose
02-24-2009, 12:44 PM
Yeah I'm intrigued, but also spending a pick that high on someone who'll be changing positions can backfire.

Absolutely. It's a luxury I doubt we can really afford at this point with our gaping holes in the front 7, but he does have great value at CB although some like Mayock and Davis think he'd be an even better S.

Personally, I think we need veteran help at the S position. It's such a cheap position, relatively, we could bring in veterans at FS and SS like Sanders/Phillips/Jones etc. that could at a minimum hold down the spot for a season and allow the new staff to determine if Barrett has starter-potential or if we need to address S early in the draft in 2010.

At this point, I think Orakpo, Cushing, Maualuga, Brown or Jackson could give us a more immediate return although I'm still very hesitant on the pass rushers.

SoDak Bronco
02-24-2009, 01:16 PM
I doubt we pick a DB early, i don't know. I think there is pretty solid OLB/DE talent that we can get at #12 and then get a big DT in the 2nd or if a solid safety like Delmas falls.

SouthStndJunkie
02-24-2009, 02:12 PM
http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/ScoutingCombine/Buzz.php

Usually the defensive back's are among the fastest players at the Scouting Combine but, like the running backs, they disappointed this year. The two big names both opted to take part in everything and while Vontae Davis of Illinois turned in a solid 4.49 Malcolm Jenkins of Ohio St. checked in with disappointing times in the mid to high 4.5's. Cue the talk about him being a free safety in the NFL. The fastest official time was actually turned in by a safety and while most expected Clemson's Chris Clemons to be a 4.60-type he actually ran a 4.41. This year's fastest cornerback was Lardarius Webb of Nicholls St., who turned in a 4.46 clocking. Notre Dame's David Bruton also outperformed expectations and his 4.46 clocking was tied for the second best among the defensive backs while Chip Vaughn of Wake Forest ran a solid 4.51. Another guy who disappointed was D.J. Moore of Vanderbilt, who could only manage to run in the 4.5's. I was also surprised to see Coye Francies of San Jose St. only turn in a time in the 4.5 range. Louis Delmas of Western Michigan, Rashad Johnson of Alabama William Moore of Missouri and Patrick Chung of Oregon all ran in the low-4.5's unofficially and solidified themselves as the top safeties in this draft. All in all the safeties performed well but the cornerbacks left much to be desired. And finally, Deion Sanders had my favorite line of the weekend during the DB drills: "Why do you run out of bounds? Ain't no money over there."

elsid13
02-24-2009, 02:28 PM
Folks need to remember that new field turf slow down the 40 times from last year.

MagicHef
02-24-2009, 03:06 PM
Folks need to remember that new field turf slow down the 40 times from last year.

In that case, wow:

Heyward-Bey, Darrius WR Maryland 6015 210 4.30

bpc
02-24-2009, 03:38 PM
I like both Sean Smith and Jenkins. Belicheck had an interesting quote in the media the other day about how safeties are becoming interchangable and more of a extension of the CB's. You can't have the big hammers at safety anymore unless they have great coverage ability.

It will be interesting to see what this staff does in the draft.

Inkana7
02-24-2009, 04:01 PM
James Laurinaitis barely edges out 6'7" 305 lb. Nebraska Offensive Lineman Lydon Murtha in the 40 yard dash. Impressive.

PRBronco
02-24-2009, 04:21 PM
James Laurinaitis barely edges out 6'7" 305 lb. Nebraska Offensive Lineman Lydon Murtha in the 40 yard dash. Impressive.

Yeah but he assisted on 3 tackles while doing so!

Inkana7
02-24-2009, 04:26 PM
Yeah but he assisted on 3 tackles while doing so!

JOP!

Elway777
02-24-2009, 05:15 PM
My Draft right now without any trade 1 Everette Brown , I think their a good change he falls to the Broncos. 2. Ziggy Hood , could be great 3-4 defensive end. 3 Skip Vaughn , starts at Strong safety. I look for the Broncos to go after Bartell and Sanders as free agents.Maybe the Broncos go after Watson to play nose tackle with their 4 round pick.

TheDave
02-24-2009, 05:17 PM
I was VERY underwhelmed by the linbackers this year... I'm starting to think Tyson Jackson might be the safest pick at a position of need.

ludo21
02-24-2009, 05:28 PM
I like Zach Follet in the 3rd or 4th Round for us. Will Jackson play the DE spot on the 3/4 or OLB?

montrose
02-24-2009, 06:17 PM
Will Jackson play the DE spot on the 3/4 or OLB?

He is a natural 3-4 DE, a guy who could potentially help solidify our 3-man DL for the next 5-6 years.

bpc
02-24-2009, 07:27 PM
I was VERY underwhelmed by the linbackers this year... I'm starting to think Tyson Jackson might be the safest pick at a position of need.

Tyson Jackson just may be my pick as well. I think this defense is in for some tough lessons this season but if we do just one thing during the draft, we need to start stocking up on some guys that can line up and play in the trenches. I think Jackson can start from day 1 and will instantly help our run defense.

elsid13
02-24-2009, 07:29 PM
Tyson Jackson just may be my pick as well. I think this defense is in for some tough lessons this season but if we do just one thing during the draft, we need to start stocking up on some guys that can line up and play in the trenches. I think Jackson can start from day 1 and will instantly help our run defense.

But at 12 is Jackson an impact player? If Denver is drafting a DE for 3/4 at 12 I am hoping for Richard Seymour not Chris Canty.

TheDave
02-24-2009, 07:47 PM
But at 12 is Jackson an impact player? If Denver is drafting a DE for 3/4 at 12 I am hoping for Richard Seymour not Chris Canty.

I hate sounding like a coward but I want a player with the highest floor possible... Last thing i want is to end up with Vernon Gholston 2.0

elsid13
02-24-2009, 07:48 PM
I hate sounding like a coward but I want a player with the highest floor possible... Last thing i want is to end up with Vernon Gholston 2.0

In this draft that Michael Johnson from GT. I look at Jackson and think is he really that talented to be drafted @ 12?

TheDave
02-24-2009, 07:51 PM
In this draft that Michael Johnson from GT. I look at Jackson and think is he really that talented to be drafted @ 12?

honestely, Orakpo & Maybin scare me just as much...

elsid13
02-24-2009, 07:53 PM
honestely, Orakpo & Maybin scare me just as much...

They aren't on my preferred list either. I kinda wished Mays, Cody, or kid from Duke had decide to come out now.

TheDave
02-24-2009, 07:58 PM
They aren't on my preferred list either. I kinda wished Mays, Cody, or kid from Duke had decide to come out now.

Completely agree... I just see SO many boom or bust prospects I want the safest pick possible.

We need at least 6 possibly 8 new starters on defense, busting on 12 could be tough to over come.

bpc
02-24-2009, 09:16 PM
But at 12 is Jackson an impact player? If Denver is drafting a DE for 3/4 at 12 I am hoping for Richard Seymour not Chris Canty.

Tyson Jackson is basically a finished product, but a good one at that. I think the way he plays and his body is sort of similar to Reggie White. He has very strong hands and thick legs. He's decisively quick and has a fair amount of pass rush moves for a bigger guy. Still, his body allows him to jam up run and passing lanes. I think he can easily handle double teams and hold at the point of attack. He has a good motor as well from what i've seen. When I watch him, I see a guy handling SEC guys, one or two guys at a time. I imagine he's gonna step in day 1 and start for a team. Probably a 3-4 team.

DE represents a HUGE need for us moving forward. I don't know if Thomas can cut it there and who knows if Crowder can either. I probably don't want to take Jackson at 12, I would rather trade down and get him. Still, I think with so many teams jumping to the 3-4, he's not gonna last farther than pick 15-20 IMO.

bpc
02-24-2009, 09:20 PM
In this draft that Michael Johnson from GT. I look at Jackson and think is he really that talented to be drafted @ 12?

You just hit on my wild card. The guy scares me a little bit but he was by far the most impressive athlete in Indy IMO. The guy ran better than some CB's. His hips are REAL fluid, he can jump out the building, and his length is going to cause a lot of problems at the next level in passing lanes. We may be helped out by his inconsistency here. If he gets it on the next level, he's gonna be a monster. Factor in the fact that he's almost a true 6'7", sitting at 265 but has the ability to add more... man, the guy is scary.

I think Doom is going to look damn good coming off one side. If Johnson is paired up on the other.... man... dangerous combination. Personally, I think he can get out and run with TE's.

U4EA
02-24-2009, 09:53 PM
We've gone too long with stopgaps at safety. We have to use our #2 on one this year. I'm leaning Delmas but I'm open to Chung or Johnson. Maybe Moore. It's just time.

bpc
02-24-2009, 10:06 PM
We've gone too long with stopgaps at safety. We have to use our #2 on one this year. I'm leaning Delmas but I'm open to Chung or Johnson. Maybe Moore. It's just time.

I think we have too many holes up front right now to devote a bunch of draft picks to that area. I think we'll end up going after Gibril Wilson or Sean Jones to man the SS spot and I would like to see Denver take Derek Pegues to man the free safety spot right around round 4.

U4EA
02-24-2009, 10:19 PM
I think we have too many holes up front right now to devote a bunch of draft picks to that area. I think we'll end up going after Gibril Wilson or Sean Jones to man the SS spot and I would like to see Denver take Derek Pegues to man the free safety spot right around round 4.

We left the whole intermediate portion of the field wide open this year and I know you love the biggies up front exclusively but a defense is a net. We're not without holes but Safety has been ignored for far too long. there's good value in the second round and this is the year we have to address it. I'm not at all against Wilson, too. however.

bpc
02-24-2009, 11:08 PM
I just think the learning curve is such at DB and the price of signing free agents in the front seven is going to focus this FO on different areas this offseason. I think the DB's are going to get the most FA spending come a week from now. I think our front seven is going to get the majority of our draft resources, at least early on.

I hate our safety position so I understand what you are saying. If it's me, I'm building up the trenches first and then going back. We've tried it the other way around and it has not worked.

Kaylore
02-25-2009, 02:11 PM
I think you gotta go upfront and you have to trade back. Is there anyone at 12 that will be available that's worth the money? Everyone has some issues. In fact this draft, while deep in positions we need like Safety and linebacker, is quite soft at the top. We need to back out and get more threes and twos.

Requiem
02-25-2009, 02:30 PM
I really like Jackson. I think he's a Top 15 talent, IMHO. Plus, we need help up front. He might be a little bit of reach at #12, (according to some) but I agree with what BPC said about teams switching and him possibly not being there. I think Jackson at #12 is justifiable considering how badly we need help on the defensive line and how imperative it is to have players who can actually do **** up there to make the 3-4 work.

We'll see how FA goes though, maybe we'll get someone there.

socalorado
02-25-2009, 02:31 PM
I think you gotta go upfront and you have to trade back. Is there anyone at 12 that will be available that's worth the money? Everyone has some issues. In fact this draft, while deep in positions we need like Safety and linebacker, is quite soft at the top. We need to back out and get more threes and twos.

YES. This should be the plan. be aggresive in FA, and then trade back and get a couple solid immediate players like Cushing and C.Matthews. Then use the other 2nd for a safety. Get as many 2nd and 3rds as they can.
And make sure they are mostly USC players. Those guys can play! :wave:

Requiem
02-25-2009, 02:36 PM
If we could get Chris Canty, Bryant McFadden and a safety (perhaps Sanders) that'd be absolutely lovely. Good thoughts guize.

Taco John
02-25-2009, 02:44 PM
I've extended the post change date to five days to accommodate this draft.

elsid13
02-25-2009, 02:56 PM
You just hit on my wild card. The guy scares me a little bit but he was by far the most impressive athlete in Indy IMO. The guy ran better than some CB's. His hips are REAL fluid, he can jump out the building, and his length is going to cause a lot of problems at the next level in passing lanes. We may be helped out by his inconsistency here. If he gets it on the next level, he's gonna be a monster. Factor in the fact that he's almost a true 6'7", sitting at 265 but has the ability to add more... man, the guy is scary.

I think Doom is going to look damn good coming off one side. If Johnson is paired up on the other.... man... dangerous combination. Personally, I think he can get out and run with TE's.

I think Johnson looks goods in shorts, but he doesn't show on the football field. What scare me the most, is that he is Manny Lawson PART II and Nolan draft that guy in SF.