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baja
02-18-2009, 11:18 AM
What is the top 5 situations that most pisses you off.

5. Food Tray tops on airplanes.

4. whiney airline attendants pitching airline credit cards over the intercom to you while you are strapped in at 30,000 feet.

3. product adds incorporated into a movie

2. Hotel TV menus that always cycle back to the hotel add page when you turn off than on the TV and make it hard to get to regular free TV programing.

1. After paying 14 dollars for a movie ticket to be subjected to 10 of 15 minutes of very loud and annoying commercials. (Coming late does not solve the problem because you get a ****ty seat.)

Kaylore
02-18-2009, 11:20 AM
Adds the scroll in the bottom of the screen during the middle of my television program. They're getting bigger and more annoying. I especially hate when the actor or actress is dancing or doing something obnoxious so you notice them. Screw that.

rugbythug
02-18-2009, 11:21 AM
1. New Jordan Shoes

TDmvp
02-18-2009, 11:25 AM
1. New Jordan Shoes

yea those things are fing fugly ... Everything he has ever made under that brand name as far as shoes are just crap.

The Lebron 5's are the first pair of sports kicks i have seen i bet 10 years i really liked enough to buy... bought 2 pairs , may be last ones i ever buy lol ...

http://www.kicksonfire.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/nike-zoom-lebron-5-v-black-varsity-crimson-birthday-1.jpg

Clean , neat , classic looking. With or without the strap.

baja
02-18-2009, 11:27 AM
Adds the scroll in the bottom of the screen during the middle of my television program. They're getting bigger and more annoying. I especially hate when the actor or actress is dancing or doing something obnoxious so you notice them. Screw that.

Ya I forgot that one. It's not bad enough they have about 50% programing and 50% adds now the got to hammer you with the scrolling buy me shiit. and they stick their logo in the corner of the screen 24/7.

BroncoLifer
02-18-2009, 11:32 AM
"Reporters" advertising their political views throughout their "news" stories.

TDmvp
02-18-2009, 11:32 AM
Ya I forgot that one. It's not bad enough they have about 50% programing and 50% adds now the got to hammer you with the scrolling buy me shiit. and they stick their logo in the corner of the screen 24/7.



Ads at the start of like almost every online news site videos and most other info sites .... Before you watch your video of whatever , here is a via viagra ad...
Fing hate that ....

DomCasual
02-18-2009, 11:34 AM
What is the top 5 situations that most pisses you off.

5. Food Tray tops on airplanes.

4. whiney airline attendants pitching airline credit cards over the intercom to you while you are strapped in at 30,000 feet.

3. product adds incorporated into a movie

2. Hotel TV menus that always cycle back to the hotel add page when you turn off than on the TV and make it hard to get to regular free TV programing.

1. After paying 14 dollars for a movie ticket to be subjected to 10 of 15 minutes of very loud and annoying commercials. (Coming late does not solve the problem because you get a ****ty seat.)

Almost all the theaters here now have reserved seating. Greatest thing since sliced bread.

Popps
02-18-2009, 11:35 AM
Adds the scroll in the bottom of the screen during the middle of my television program. They're getting bigger and more annoying. I especially hate when the actor or actress is dancing or doing something obnoxious so you notice them. Screw that.

Get used to it, and get used to in-show advertising.

It's my business, so while I find it just as annoying... I absolutely understand it and honestly have sat in meetings with our creatives/vice-presidents and suggested that we get more aggressive with it.

Like any other business, TV is just that. Programs are just filler between ads.
We serve our advertisers by using our people. It's a simple construct, but people often mistake it for some sort of public service because so much of it is free or low-cost.

Free television delivers an awful lot of entertainment at no cost. (Yes, there are bad shows but also many good ones.) Even pay-TV is a great deal from a price-point perspective.

Take your family to see one movie, and you'll drop $50.. easily. For less than that, you can have 100 channels of programming for a MONTH.

The issue here is Tivo, plain and simple. We all love it. We all love skipping over commercials. But, of course... the networks don't love it so much. We've taken a hit on the whole thing and have to find ways to place advertising to retain our clients.

Look at NFL games. Advertising is plastered all over the screen, all over the stadium... everywhere. Just like network TV... it's a business. The advent of Tivo will only force these businesses to seek out additional ways to support their model.

Kaylore
02-18-2009, 11:36 AM
"Reporters" advertising their political views throughout their "news" stories.

rep

Kaylore
02-18-2009, 11:38 AM
Get used to it, and get used to in-show advertising.

It's my business, so while I find it just as annoying... I absolutely understand it and honestly have sat in meetings with our creatives/vice-presidents and suggested that we get more aggressive with it.

Like any other business, TV is just that. Programs are just filler between ads.
We serve our advertisers by using our people. It's a simple construct, but people often mistake it for some sort of public service because so much of it is free or low-cost.

Free television delivers an awful lot of entertainment at no cost. (Yes, there are bad shows but also many good ones.) Even pay-TV is a great deal from a price-point perspective.

Take your family to see one movie, and you'll drop $50.. easily. For less than that, you can have 100 channels of programming for a MONTH.

The issue here is Tivo, plain and simple. We all love it. We all love skipping over commercials. But, of course... the networks don't love it so much. We've taken a hit on the whole thing and have to find ways to place advertising to retain our clients.

Look at NFL games. Advertising is plastered all over the screen, all over the stadium... everywhere. Just like network TV... it's a business. The advent of Tivo will only force these businesses to seek out additional ways to support their model.
We'll just pay for netflix and stop watching. We stopped watching 24 and will just do the DVD thing. no advertisements before or during the shows.

Man-Goblin
02-18-2009, 11:39 AM
"Thisssss issss ourrrrrrrrrrrrr countryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy"

TDmvp
02-18-2009, 11:41 AM
"Thisssss issss ourrrrrrrrrrrrr countryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy"

OMG REP ....

GOD THOSE BLEW ....

over and over and over during football games ...
I would hear it while trying to fall asleep just running threw my head ...

Thisssss is ouuuuurrrr country ....

So hellish ....

bowtown
02-18-2009, 11:44 AM
1. Jewelry Ads, especially around the holidays.

"He went to Jared!" Has to be the most grating sentence in the English language.

DomCasual
02-18-2009, 11:45 AM
We'll just pay for netflix and stop watching. We stopped watching 24 and will just do the DVD thing. no advertisements before or during the shows.

It's so sweet that you're saying "we" instead of "I" now.

Kaylore
02-18-2009, 11:46 AM
1. Jewelry Ads, especially around the holidays.

"He went to Jared!" Has to be the most grating sentence in the English language.
I agree. I still don't know what that waiter is doing at the end of the commercial with the dinner party. Something lights on fire and he starts waving his hand around. Every one of them is annoying.

SonOfLe-loLang
02-18-2009, 11:51 AM
Get used to it, and get used to in-show advertising.

It's my business, so while I find it just as annoying... I absolutely understand it and honestly have sat in meetings with our creatives/vice-presidents and suggested that we get more aggressive with it.

Like any other business, TV is just that. Programs are just filler between ads.
We serve our advertisers by using our people. It's a simple construct, but people often mistake it for some sort of public service because so much of it is free or low-cost.

Free television delivers an awful lot of entertainment at no cost. (Yes, there are bad shows but also many good ones.) Even pay-TV is a great deal from a price-point perspective.

Take your family to see one movie, and you'll drop $50.. easily. For less than that, you can have 100 channels of programming for a MONTH.

The issue here is Tivo, plain and simple. We all love it. We all love skipping over commercials. But, of course... the networks don't love it so much. We've taken a hit on the whole thing and have to find ways to place advertising to retain our clients.

Look at NFL games. Advertising is plastered all over the screen, all over the stadium... everywhere. Just like network TV... it's a business. The advent of Tivo will only force these businesses to seek out additional ways to support their model.

This is my industry as well and its one thats hemmoraging money and they STILL havent figured out how to handle things like tivo and the internet. I do find it curious that people bitch about television ads like its their god given right (as you intimated as well) to watch TV and get pissed off when networks attempt to get creative with advertising. They have to make money and promote their shows somehow!!! trust me, i cannot stand big business/corporate america, but they arent trying to pull one over on us with this one.

Do the three second lower third ads REALLY annoy you that much? C'mon its not THAT big of a deal.

SonOfLe-loLang
02-18-2009, 11:52 AM
I agree. I still don't know what that waiter is doing at the end of the commercial with the dinner party. Something lights on fire and he starts waving his hand around. Every one of them is annoying.

Also the beer commercial. Every beer commercial involves some neanderthal who must think of a new creative way to dupe his woman so he can watch sports. I wanna shoot myself each time i see one.

baja
02-18-2009, 12:02 PM
Almost all the theaters here now have reserved seating. Greatest thing since sliced bread.

it's like that in Thailand but i have never seen reserved seating anywhere in the usa. Recently I have been to several theaters in San Diego and San Francisco (Walnut Creek)

loborugger
02-18-2009, 12:03 PM
1. Jewelry Ads, especially around the holidays.

"He went to Jared!" Has to be the most grating sentence in the English language.

Well I understand your assessment, from an advertiser's assessment, I would imagine they would call this a success. Afterall, you did remember the commercial.

Speaking of airlines and movie theaters, they have both have broadcasting that is nothing more than cleverly designed advertising. The "20" before the movie starts - all ads. The "after the movie but we are still in the air" is a lot of ads, too. Its insidious.

DomCasual
02-18-2009, 12:03 PM
The ads I hate are those stupid Pizza Hut hidden camera ads. They bring out a pan of crap that looks like cheap dog food, and show people near orgasm over it.

If a waiter brought me out Kraft Macaroni and Cheese with canned bacon, it would go back. I wouldn't care if it was Olive Garden (a step above dog food) - that stuff looks nasty.

DomCasual
02-18-2009, 12:05 PM
it's like that in Thailand but i have never seen reserved seating anywhere in the usa. Recently I have been to several theaters in San Diego and San Francisco (Walnut Creek)

We tend to be cutting edge on most stuff here in Utah. :D

Seriously, I go online and purchase my tickets three or four hours before the show. I end up in the seats I want almost every time. I have no idea why they don't do it everywhere. We've had it here for the past three or four years - it works great!

SonOfLe-loLang
02-18-2009, 12:15 PM
The ads I hate are those stupid Pizza Hut hidden camera ads. They bring out a pan of crap that looks like cheap dog food, and show people near orgasm over it.

If a waiter brought me out Kraft Macaroni and Cheese with canned bacon, it would go back. I wouldn't care if it was Olive Garden (a step above dog food) - that stuff looks nasty.

Well, you know what, i actually bet its true. When it comes to food, perception is often reality. If you are telling me im going to a 5 star restaurant, I'd probably go in with the mindset that the food is good and therefore, subconsciously, think its good (even if i was being served something that was complete ****). I assume these people did the same thing.

There was some study done recently, where they brought 20 people in a room to try two kinds of chocolate yogurt. A bunch of them decided that chocolate yogurt "a" was better and a few of them even said they liked it so much, that this new chocolate yogurt would be their one of choice. But it turned out that chocolate yogurt "a" was actually strawberry.

SonOfLe-loLang
02-18-2009, 12:16 PM
We tend to be cutting edge on most stuff here in Utah. :D

Seriously, I go online and purchase my tickets three or four hours before the show. I end up in the seats I want almost every time. I have no idea why they don't do it everywhere. We've had it here for the past three or four years - it works great!

In LA, the arclight has assigned seating...it is good for piece of mind.

Popps
02-18-2009, 12:18 PM
Do the three second lower third ads REALLY annoy you that much? C'mon its not THAT big of a deal.

Yea, it's just a mindset thing. People got used to NOT seeing them, and sort of feel justified in complaining about it, and I DO understand the frustration.

That said, when you turn on your TV, you're opting in for a free product that someone is offering you. So, to me... that's a vastly different world than some jackoff calling your cell phone during dinner to offer you a mortgage refi.

TailgateNut
02-18-2009, 12:19 PM
1. Jewelry Ads, especially around the holidays.

"He went to Jared!" Has to be the most grating sentence in the English language.


agreed, but at least they don't sell complete garbage like KAY!

Kaylore
02-18-2009, 12:21 PM
Do the three second lower third ads REALLY annoy you that much? C'mon its not THAT big of a deal.

Oh yes it is. It's also offensive to the creative staff of the shows. It's like going to the louvre and finding McDonald's adds on the corner of the paintings so your admission can be free. It's like, what's the point? Why even go?

I'll tell you what I like is Hulu. They stop the transmission and show me a commercial. I can get up and go pee like I used to back in the day and watch my show unmolested.

dbfan4life
02-18-2009, 12:21 PM
I can't stand advertisements for feminine hygeine products. Does a female really see one of these commercials and say, 'Well gee, I'm gonna try those next time Aunt Flo comes for a visit' !!!??

DomCasual
02-18-2009, 12:23 PM
agreed, but at least they don't sell complete garbage like KAY!

The Kay commercials make me want to kill.

Besides, if I am going to buy jewelry, I'm going to a freaking direct diamond importer. I don't mean to drop names, but I have a pretty well-placed friend in the diamond business.

Popps
02-18-2009, 12:23 PM
We'll just pay for netflix and stop watching. We stopped watching 24 and will just do the DVD thing. no advertisements before or during the shows.

That's perfectly fine. You can also purchase the stuff on iTunes and other places without ads.

I don't blame consumers for making the choice to seek advertising-free products, and conversely... consumers shouldn't be surprised that free things come with some sort of advertising attached.

But, again... it just strikes me as a mindset. There was a time very recently where people just watched TV and either paid attention to commercials or went to get a snack. But now with the advent of technology to avoid advertising, consumers have assumed and attitude of almost being entitled to free content with no reciprocal arrangement of any kind and I can assure you... that will never be the case, at least not legally.

dbfan4life
02-18-2009, 12:24 PM
agreed, but at least they don't sell complete garbage like KAY!

Speaking of Kay. I bought my wife a diamond tennis bracelet for Christmas '07. I've had to take that thing back 3 times because the damn thing keeps breaking. It cost me $500 (I know, not a fortune, but it's a good chunk of change for me.) and I've purchased more durable pieces of jewelry through a quarter machine!

Popps
02-18-2009, 12:25 PM
Oh yes it is. It's also offensive to the creative staff of the shows. It's like going to the louvre and finding McDonald's adds on the corner of the paintings so your admission can be free. It's like, what's the point? Why even go?

Bad analogy.

Museums are supported by public funds, donations and entry fees.

Television is generally free or low-cost.

As for the creative staff of shows... let me tell you what offends them:

Not working.

So, rapidly declining ad revenues is what offends them the most. Hence, new and alternative advertising means will continue to appear as long as people attempt to use technology to elude it.

It's a really simple thing.

SonOfLe-loLang
02-18-2009, 12:26 PM
Oh yes it is. It's also offensive to the creative staff of the shows. It's like going to the louvre and finding McDonald's adds on the corner of the paintings so your admission can be free. It's like, what's the point? Why even go?

I'll tell you what I like is Hulu. They stop the transmission and show me a commercial. I can get up and go pee like I used to back in the day and watch my show unmolested.

I agree Hulu is great...love the hulu.

I disagree with the creative staff caring. Trust me, all television writers, actors, directors know this is a business, get paid well for it, and don't think twice about the 3 second lower thirds. I barely even notice them. I understand why people would think they are annoying, but ruining the entire viewing experience? Its just 3 seconds

gyldenlove
02-18-2009, 12:27 PM
Reserved seats in the theatre is the best invention since Franz Klaus of Hamburg accidentally dropped a handful of ground beef on a hot barbeque...

Places I don't want advertising:

5. On pro fighters, I just don't want to know that the place I buy my tires had someone put their logo on the back of a sweaty naked guy.

4. By the road side, I am annoyed enough being stuck in traffic, if I am stuck in traffic and have to look at jewelry ad there will be bloodshed.

3. In-flight and in airports. I am not even from the damn country and all your disgusting ads are just pissing me off even more, the only good thing is that you realize how much better your life is because you don't live in "fill in annoying country".

2. Whenever something interesting is happening. I hate missing a touchdown or a sack or the punchline of a joke or having a beheading delayed because I need to know about acne creme, a flower store and fords amazing employee prices.

1. On condoms. If I ever see an ad on a condom, I will dedicate every moment of my life along with my considerable knowledge of nuclear physics to create a bomb so large that it will kill every single person who has ever considered working for an advertising agency.

SonOfLe-loLang
02-18-2009, 12:28 PM
Bad analogy.

Museums are support by public funds, donations and entry fees.

Television is generally free or low-cost.

As for the creative staff of shows... let me tell you what offends them:

Not working.

So, rapidly declining ad revenues is what offends them the most. Hence, new and alternative advertising means will continue to appear as long as people attempt to use technology to elude it.

It's a really simple thing.


not to mention, most television creative staff don't view their work as priceless art. That's more for the primadonna film people:)

scttgrd
02-18-2009, 12:28 PM
So if someone is paying for cable, and they are getting more and more ads dumped on them, the media companies are pretty much double dipping. They are paying you to feed them advertising. How the hell did they make any money in the 70's before cable came along?

Popps
02-18-2009, 12:30 PM
not to mention, most television creative staff don't view their work as priceless art.

Hilarious!

You are in the biz, aren't you. :)

Kaylore
02-18-2009, 12:31 PM
That's perfectly fine. You can also purchase the stuff on iTunes and other places without ads.

I don't blame consumers for making the choice to seek advertising-free products, and conversely... consumers shouldn't be surprised that free things come with some sort of advertising attached.

But, again... it just strikes me as a mindset. There was a time very recently where people just watched TV and either paid attention to commercials or went to get a snack. But now with the advent of technology to avoid advertising, consumers have assumed and attitude of almost being entitled to free content with no reciprocal arrangement of any kind and I can assure you... that will never be the case, at least not legally.

What I find is funny is this idea that TV was really reaching America before Tivo. People left the room to eat, use the restroom or talk about what they just saw. It's not like everyone watches shows pre-recorded or that everyone even has Tivo anymore. Nor is it any news that people have been recording their favorite TV shows and watching them later. The only difference is VCR's don't tell the networks what is going on.

I don't have a problem with commercials, and I don't have a problem paying more for better programming. I do have a problem when you ruin my product to advertise. I would rather pay double the amount for Tivo or just not watch my regular programs than have them jacked up with commercials 1/4th the size of the screen. That's not right.

Popps
02-18-2009, 12:31 PM
So if someone is paying for cable, and they are getting more and more ads dumped on them, the media companies are pretty much double dipping. They are paying you to feed them advertising. How the hell did they make any money in the 70's before cable came along?

Cable programming doesn't draw enough numbers to support their model. So, cable fees are designed to offset the lack of big ratings for some of the smaller network. There's no "double-dipping," it's just part of the ad model.

rugbythug
02-18-2009, 12:31 PM
That's perfectly fine. You can also purchase the stuff on iTunes and other places without ads.

I don't blame consumers for making the choice to seek advertising-free products, and conversely... consumers shouldn't be surprised that free things come with some sort of advertising attached.

But, again... it just strikes me as a mindset. There was a time very recently where people just watched TV and either paid attention to commercials or went to get a snack. But now with the advent of technology to avoid advertising, consumers have assumed and attitude of almost being entitled to free content with no reciprocal arrangement of any kind and I can assure you... that will never be the case, at least not legally.

This is a mindset I also Find troubling, it is now so pervasive that our federal Gov't is spending tax money to make sure that no one misses any TV time, when the switch to Digital occurs.

Borks147
02-18-2009, 12:33 PM
I mean really, when I watch Heroes and see them all using Sprint cell phones or 24 where they all drive Hyndai Genesis cars...I know whats going on but it doesn't bug me at all. I get a chuckle out of it.

SonOfLe-loLang
02-18-2009, 12:35 PM
Hilarious!

You are in the biz, aren't you. :)

I'm actually guilty of it too...I've made some money as a writer in this industry and often look at my film scripts as my babies and my tv pilots as something I wrote in an attempt to get paid.

BroncoFanatic
02-18-2009, 12:35 PM
Jared
Any E.D. product
Geiko

When I become king of the world, marketers of these products will be the first to face firing squad.

Billy Mays too

:moody:

Kaylore
02-18-2009, 12:35 PM
not to mention, most television creative staff don't view their work as priceless art. That's more for the primadonna film people:)

Ok, that's fair. However if you're giving away a product in exchange to make me watch a commercial, don't you see a problem with smashing them together? I wouldn't want it.

I think what's more telling is more and more people aren't watching TV at all anymore and going to other sources. The more advertisements you put into a program, the lower the quality of the program and the fewer people will want to sit through it.

Popps
02-18-2009, 12:36 PM
What I find is funny is this idea that TV was really reaching America before Tivo.

Not sure what you mean, here... but ad views are down. It's not really a debatable issue.

Nor is it any news that people have been recording their favorite TV shows and watching them later. The only difference is VCR's don't tell the networks what is going on.


The ratio of people watching recorded material now compared to the 80s/90s can't even be close. It's a hard thing to track, but the technology has become so simple and integrated, it's not even close. (Do you remember trying to set a VCR to record? It was a joke.)

I do have a problem when you ruin my product to advertise.

Again, "your" product is OUR product. We're allowing you to have it for free.
It's just filler between our ads. You don't have to like that fact, but it is indeed a fact.

I would rather pay double the amount for Tivo or just not watch my regular programs than have them jacked up with commercials 1/4th the size of the screen. That's not right.

Again, I don't like it either... and the good news about technology is that you DO have the option to simply purchase ad-free content in many ways. So, there's really not a need to be upset with the businesses for doing what they're created to do. (Sell ads.)

Borks147
02-18-2009, 12:36 PM
Reserved seats in the theatre is the best invention since Franz Klaus of Hamburg accidentally dropped a handful of ground beef on a hot barbeque...

Places I don't want advertising:

1. On condoms. If I ever see an ad on a condom, I will dedicate every moment of my life along with my considerable knowledge of nuclear physics to create a bomb so large that it will kill every single person who has ever considered working for an advertising agency.

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=4086092&page=1

I call bull****

SonOfLe-loLang
02-18-2009, 12:36 PM
I mean really, when I watch Heroes and see them all using Sprint cell phones or 24 where they all drive Hyndai Genesis cars...I know whats going on but it doesn't bug me at all. I get a chuckle out of it.

My fav example of this was the PRISON BREAK/Toyota Yaris tie in. Nothing says burly men breaking out of prison like a tiny, fuel efficient, feminine, japanese car.

broncocalijohn
02-18-2009, 12:41 PM
My annoyances would be people and their needed "space". Try the movie theater. I will make people scoot over if they are spacing themselves out and taking prime theater real estate. If you are going to have general seating, the theatre should at least make sure everyone scoots their A$$ over. This is also true when you are at a stop light. Example: You trying to cram between the curb and the car in front of you so you can make that left hand turn before the light changes. You give a little honk for the car to scoot up a few feet and he obliges. Then as you gun it down the left hand turn lane, you notice all the cars spread a car to a car and a half length between each other! I know no one wants to smell exhust fumes but you think 5 feet and not 17 feet is sufficient? I hate these types of people. These are also the same jerks that know you are waiting for their parking spot but they do the 20 step process of seat belt, pulling out their driving glasses, eye makeup applying, etc. You know I am waiting so stop acting like that parking spot was paid for by a 30 year mortgage. Get that crap once you leave the spot. A HOLES!

TailgateNut
02-18-2009, 12:42 PM
My fav example of this was the PRISON BREAK/Toyota Yaris tie in. Nothing says burly men breaking out of prison like a tiny, fuel efficient, feminine, japanese car.

I rented one of those once (NOT BY CHOICE) and I must say the outside air thermometer works GREAT!ROFL!

Garcia Bronco
02-18-2009, 12:44 PM
Any Coors commercials. Especially the ones where they splaice in the coach. It's not effing funny

Kaylore
02-18-2009, 12:46 PM
Not sure what you mean, here... but ad views are down. It's not really a debatable issue.
My point is there is no magic way of showing who watched the ads. There was technology to test when the TV was on, but that doesn't mean people were looking at it or even in the room.



The ratio of people watching recorded material now compared to the 80s/90s can't even be close. It's a hard thing to track, but the technology has become so simple and integrated, it's not even close. (Do you remember trying to set a VCR to record? It was a joke.) We recorded Seinfeld and Star Trek the Next Generation. There's no question it's less than now, but it was not uncommon and setting your VCR up isn't that hard.



Again, "your" product is OUR product. We're allowing you to have it for free.
It's just filler between our ads. You don't have to like that fact, but it is indeed a fact. So what? If I don't watch your show, no one wants to advertise jack on your show and you go broke. You have to create something for me to watch before there's any demand for advertising. You don't have to like that fact, but it is indeed a fact.

Again, I don't like it either... and the good news about technology is that you DO have the option to simply purchase ad-free content in many ways. So, there's really not a need to be upset with the businesses for doing what they're created to do. (Sell ads.) When did I say I have problem with Tv selling ads. I'm not against TV creating programming to sell advertising. I have a problem with them ruining that programming with adds in the program. I think it's misleading and ruins the shows and I'll watch them through other means. You can say "well we have to make money" and that's fine, but you screw it up enough and people will leave. There are so many ways to watch a TV show these days that sitting in front of TV to see some defaced version of the program is becoming less appealing.

baja
02-18-2009, 12:47 PM
Bad analogy.

Museums are supported by public funds, donations and entry fees.

Television is generally free or low-cost.

As for the creative staff of shows... let me tell you what offends them:

Not working.

So, rapidly declining ad revenues is what offends them the most. Hence, new and alternative advertising means will continue to appear as long as people attempt to use technology to elude it.

It's a really simple thing.

I believe there is a business opportunity for add free TV. Can you envision a model that would be economically viable on this idea Popps

TailgateNut
02-18-2009, 12:53 PM
My annoyances would be people and their needed "space". Try the movie theater. I will make people scoot over if they are spacing themselves out and taking prime theater real estate. If you are going to have general seating, the theatre should at least make sure everyone scoots their A$$ over. This is also true when you are at a stop light. Example: You trying to cram between the curb and the car in front of you so you can make that left hand turn before the light changes. You give a little honk for the car to scoot up a few feet and he obliges. Then as you gun it down the left hand turn lane, you notice all the cars spread a car to a car and a half length between each other! I know no one wants to smell exhust fumes but you think 5 feet and not 17 feet is sufficient? I hate these types of people. These are also the same jerks that know you are waiting for their parking spot but they do the 20 step process of seat belt, pulling out their driving glasses, eye makeup applying, etc. You know I am waiting so stop acting like that parking spot was paid for by a 30 year mortgage. Get that crap once you leave the spot. A HOLES!

This is not a bitch session, ya whiny bastard!;D

rugbythug
02-18-2009, 12:54 PM
Why does draft countdown always have pop ups

baja
02-18-2009, 12:59 PM
Cable programming doesn't draw enough numbers to support their model. So, cable fees are designed to offset the lack of big ratings for some of the smaller network. There's no "double-dipping,"<b> it's just part of the ad model.</b>

Popps please do not use that phrase any more because I do not want to fly up there and hurt you. Thank You!

We do it that way because it's policy, when I hear that I want to kill.

Irish Stout
02-18-2009, 01:02 PM
yea those things are fing fugly ... Everything he has ever made under that brand name as far as shoes are just crap.

The Lebron 5's are the first pair of sports kicks i have seen i bet 10 years i really liked enough to buy... bought 2 pairs , may be last ones i ever buy lol ...

http://www.kicksonfire.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/nike-zoom-lebron-5-v-black-varsity-crimson-birthday-1.jpg

Clean , neat , classic looking. With or without the strap.

Dude, I'm sorry, but those things are hideous and they look just like the hideous airjordans of the mid to late 90s.

I do not mind commercials, but I don't understand how annoying "our contry songs" and talking lizards are supposed to make me want to buy a truck and the insurance to go with it. Also, the worst thing about advertising on tv is when it seems like you get 3-5 minutes of show or a football game then 5 minutes of commercial. Its hard to keep watching something when you know you're getting almost as much commercial as you are getting show.

I like how some of the shows on Fox, like Fringe, now tell us how long the commercial break will last.

broncocalijohn
02-18-2009, 01:07 PM
Reserved seats in the theatre is the best invention since Franz Klaus of Hamburg accidentally dropped a handful of ground beef on a hot barbeque...

Places I don't want advertising:


1. On condoms. If I ever see an ad on a condom, I will dedicate every moment of my life along with my considerable knowledge of nuclear physics to create a bomb so large that it will kill every single person who has ever considered working for an advertising agency.


Sorry to tell you this but they already advertise on your condoms. You just dont roll it down far enough to see the placement ads. It starts after 5 inches. Maybe Danish guys are condom ad insufficient. I would say lucky you for not have to see those horrible placement ads but I think this is one time you werent so (how should I put it) short sighted. But if you must create a bomb to kill advertising agencies, can I suggest the deadly mini nuke?

broncocalijohn
02-18-2009, 01:08 PM
This is not a b**** session, ya whiny bastard!;D

Can you tell that I have been bottling it up for some time? I saw the opportunity to go off subject a bit and let it flow. I do feel better now.

TailgateNut
02-18-2009, 01:15 PM
Can you tell that I have been bottling it up for some time? .

You type real well for someone who's been hittin' the sauce. I usually don't post on the mane after slammin' a few. Just doesn't come to mind.

SonOfLe-loLang
02-18-2009, 01:24 PM
I believe there is a business opportunity for add free TV. Can you envision a model that would be economically viable on this idea Popps

Its called HBO

baja
02-18-2009, 01:35 PM
Its called HBO

Cute. I mean commercial TV shows repackaged and sold commercial free as a paid service on your TV set.

baja
02-18-2009, 01:37 PM
I do not watch much commercial TV put there a few shows I would pay for but I guess TiVo solves the problem

BigPlayShay
02-18-2009, 01:38 PM
Tivo and DVRs are the reason that there are more in-program ads. So, as Popps said, get used to it.

Also, those type of recording devices are now starting to be able to track ad views better than Nielsen or any of those older ratings products.

In the future as you see more integration of your CPU with television then ad campaigns will be running on your tv as well as your computer becoming more and more targeted to your behavior.

Memento
02-18-2009, 01:39 PM
Amway.

Hands-down.

Does Amway advertise, per-se? Mostly through friends and family who corner you and "invite" you into their fantastic new business opportunity.

Grrrr.

We've probably all had this bunch-of-fun sprung on us at one time or another, and there are probably even a few OM'ers into it, but....

This, to me, crosses the boundary.

Kaylore
02-18-2009, 01:44 PM
I don't know why the networks don't re-program Tivo to play a commercial after a certain set amount of viewing time. They could make a killing.

TailgateNut
02-18-2009, 01:46 PM
I don't know why the networks don't re-program Tivo to play a commercial after a certain set amount of viewing time. They could make a killing.


The advertisers wont let them.

SonOfLe-loLang
02-18-2009, 01:48 PM
I don't know why the networks don't re-program Tivo to play a commercial after a certain set amount of viewing time. They could make a killing.

Yes, this does make a lot of sense. Advertisers and tv stations are kind of like democrats and republicans...they don't get along, don't trust each other, so often times easy answers become complicated

Taco John
02-18-2009, 01:48 PM
We'll just pay for netflix and stop watching. We stopped watching 24 and will just do the DVD thing. no advertisements before or during the shows.


It's funny you should say that. It's exactly what we're about to do. We're talking about dropping Direct TV altogether, and going strictly NetFlix.

SonOfLe-loLang
02-18-2009, 01:49 PM
Cute. I mean commercial TV shows repackaged and sold commercial free as a paid service on your TV set.

It's called ON DEMAND :)

Popcorn Sutton
02-18-2009, 01:49 PM
5 dollar foot long...........

baja
02-18-2009, 01:51 PM
It's called ON DEMAND :)

I have dish is it available with that service?

SonOfLe-loLang
02-18-2009, 01:52 PM
I have dish is it available with that service?

not sure. directv just got one, but its hard to use and limited. The one for comcast is pretty good though

Kaylore
02-18-2009, 01:54 PM
The advertisers wont let them.

That's lame. It works for hulu.


How about this commercial:

<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/pUYh-ytmXls&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/pUYh-ytmXls&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

NYBronco
02-18-2009, 01:55 PM
When the sound level on the television goes up during certain commercials.

When watching Bruce Springsteen during the SB halftime show the Maryland state lottery shrank the Springsteen picture and commenced with their lottery pics.

rugbythug
02-18-2009, 01:57 PM
Amway.

Hands-down.

Does Amway advertise, per-se? Mostly through friends and family who corner you and "invite" you into their fantastic new business opportunity.

Grrrr.

We've probably all had this bunch-of-fun sprung on us at one time or another, and there are probably even a few OM'ers into it, but....

This, to me, crosses the boundary.

In college this really hot chick who I had not spoken with in a couple of months calls me up and asks if she can come over next Saturday.

I am like cool, come on over.

Saturday, she comes over, except she was not by herself she brought a 65 year old blue hair lady with her. Wanting me to become part of the rainbow friends network.

What a total letdown.

NYBronco
02-18-2009, 01:58 PM
That's lame. It works for hulu.


How about this commercial:

<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/pUYh-ytmXls&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/pUYh-ytmXls&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

These commercials are lame. Can someone tell me what "broken gold" is?

Popps
02-18-2009, 01:59 PM
I believe there is a business opportunity for add free TV. Can you envision a model that would be economically viable on this idea Popps

It would involve heavy subscription fees.

The average junky cable reality show cost over 30K an episode to produce. That's JUST production costs. Imagine the myriad of costs related to promo/network staff/legal... and on and on and on.

There may very well be, but consumers would really have to be willing to pay the price, or pay on a buy as you watch type model.

rugbythug
02-18-2009, 02:00 PM
That's lame. It works for hulu.


How about this commercial:

<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/pUYh-ytmXls&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/pUYh-ytmXls&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

I sent in an old wedding ring I bought for a couple hundred bucks and got

$11

wow totally worth it

baja
02-18-2009, 02:01 PM
not sure. directv just got one, but its hard to use and limited. The one for comcast is pretty good though

I use apple TV alot put the download time is several hours and the movies are very limited as well as expensive compared to Netflix.

TailgateNut
02-18-2009, 02:02 PM
These commercials are lame. Can someone tell me what "broken gold" is?

Ask Baja or TJ or Ron Paul!:spit:

Garcia Bronco
02-18-2009, 02:02 PM
5 dollar foot long...........

back east they are 4 dollars

TailgateNut
02-18-2009, 02:04 PM
I sent in an old wedding ring I bought for a couple hundred bucks and got

$11

wow totally worth it


NYBronco Quote:
.


How about this commercial:




These commercials are lame. Can someone tell me what "broken gold" is?



Now, that's some broken ass gold.;D

NYBronco
02-18-2009, 02:04 PM
Try this for recent tv show viewing.


http://s14.alluc.org/home-news.html

TailgateNut
02-18-2009, 02:05 PM
back east they are 4 dollars

Cheap east coast male hookers?

baja
02-18-2009, 02:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BrewCrew
5 dollar foot long...........



back east they are 4 dollars

In Cabo they are 9 dollars and mainly bread. I swear they think lettuce is like an non renewable resource.

Popcorn Sutton
02-18-2009, 02:11 PM
back east they are 4 dollars

I live in North Carolina and they are 5 here...

MVP-06
02-18-2009, 02:11 PM
This is easy, NASCAR is by far the worst.

They have like 5 drinks sitting on top of the car as soon as it stops in the winners circle. Then the driver has to mention 20-30 different sponsors during his acceptance speech. It's horrible

MVP-06
02-18-2009, 02:16 PM
Also condomdepot.com advertisements on the a$$ of a MMA fighter.

Totally wrong placement if you ask me

Blueflame
02-18-2009, 02:23 PM
When the sound level on the television goes up during certain commercials.

When watching Bruce Springsteen during the SB halftime show the Maryland state lottery shrank the Springsteen picture and commenced with their lottery pics.

This is one of my pet peeves... the minute it happens, I'm grabbing the remote and hitting "mute".

Lame commercials: Enzyte, Viagra, Extenze, Cialis (what's supposed to be so sexy about two old coots holding hands while sitting in separate bathtubs, anyway? ???), Burger King (the Whopper Jr. "I wish I'd never been broiled!", the "angry onions", etc. are particularly annoying), Jared and Kay... Billy Mays and the Shamwow guy...

That One Guy
02-18-2009, 02:28 PM
I think part of the problem people have with commercials now days is that the price for cable keeps going up yet I seem to see more and more commercials. If you're getting so much from the ads, you wouldn't need to charge me $60+ a month for simple digital cable.

I know, everyone likes to cite how it all works and why I have 300 channels... but I don't want 300 channels. Take away the channels I don't want that raise my bill and either lower my bill or leave it alone and take away some ads. Stop giving me a kickoff between 3 minutes of commercials.

Popps
02-18-2009, 02:34 PM
So what? If I don't watch your show, no one wants to advertise jack on your show and you go broke. .

Again, you sound very angry about this and I'm not sure why. It's a really simple equation here.

First off, you quitting watching isn't going to break our network and while most people prefer ad-free TV, some lower third ads aren't going to chase the majority of free and low-pay TV watchers away.

20 years ago, there was literally NO TV real estate dedicated to anything but show content. Now, programs run something somewhere on the screen almost full-time from bugs to snipes to banners to tickers. So, people have gotten used to it and they will continue to adapt. The revolt you speak of hasn't and won't happen.


I have a problem with them ruining that programming with adds in the program. I think it's misleading and ruins the shows and I'll watch them through other means. You can say "well we have to make money" and that's fine, but you screw it up enough and people will leave. There are so many ways to watch a TV show these days that sitting in front of TV to see some defaced version of the program is becoming less appealing.

You're just confusing a bunch of issues, Kaylore.

First off, people will not "leave." If you go somewhere else and watch our content, guess what... we're making money! That is, unless you steal it somehow, and even then... we likely made money somewhere in the process. Hulu? We get paid. iTUnes? We get paid.

But, if you want to enjoy programming for free or on a low-cost basis in real time on television, you'll be seeing more banners/lower thirds/product placement than in the past due to DVR.

I'm not asking you to enjoy it. I'm just explaining to you how it is, and how it's going to be.

baja
02-18-2009, 02:38 PM
This is one of my pet peeves... the minute it happens, I'm grabbing the remote and hitting "mute".

Lame commercials: Enzyte, Viagra, Extenze, Cialis (what's supposed to be so sexy about two old coots holding hands while sitting in separate bathtubs, anyway? ???), Burger King (the Whopper Jr. "I wish I'd never been broiled!", the "angry onions", etc. are particularly annoying), Jared and Kay... Billy Mays and the Shamwow guy...

I actually enjoy the soft peddled disclaimers of the drugs they are a riot

Popps
02-18-2009, 02:40 PM
Its called HBO

True... sort of...

HBO runs great original programming, but only so much of it. Lots of licensed movies and very little real-time TV, etc. I also wonder if HBO could survive outside of the revenue sharing from the subscriptions?

In other words, if HBO was just its own channel you could get through the air or a free digital box... how much would they need to charge to support their model? Hard to say.

What do you do, SonOfLeLo? (Roughly) Are you in programming?

I'm primarily in promo these days. The irony of this thread isn't lost on me. I'm literally sitting in a bay right now working on our sales reel for upfront sales presentations.

Flex Gunmetal
02-18-2009, 02:49 PM
It's interesting to hear from someone in the biz, popps.
That said, I cannot stand NBC pimping their terrible shows during games. Especially when the announcers have to pimp them too. I understand it, but I can't stand it.

SonOfLe-loLang
02-18-2009, 03:15 PM
True... sort of...

HBO runs great original programming, but only so much of it. Lots of licensed movies and very little real-time TV, etc. I also wonder if HBO could survive outside of the revenue sharing from the subscriptions?

In other words, if HBO was just its own channel you could get through the air or a free digital box... how much would they need to charge to support their model? Hard to say.

What do you do, SonOfLeLo? (Roughly) Are you in programming?

I'm primarily in promo these days. The irony of this thread isn't lost on me. I'm literally sitting in a bay right now working on our sales reel for upfront sales presentations.

I work in marketing for a cable network. But i worked for years in film production/development as well. Also write too, but havent made enough to do it full time.

Popps
02-18-2009, 03:22 PM
It's interesting to hear from someone in the biz, popps.
That said, I cannot stand NBC pimping their terrible shows during games. Especially when the announcers have to pimp them too. I understand it, but I can't stand it.

Yea, that's why a commercial that people actually enjoy is a real work of art. We're genetically programmed to hate ads as human beings, so if an ad doesn't repulse someone, it's really done its job.

But, I'm with you... so many do.

Blueflame
02-18-2009, 03:26 PM
Yea, that's why a commercial that people actually enjoy is a real work of art. We're genetically programmed to hate ads as human beings, so if an ad doesn't repulse someone, it's really done its job.

But, I'm with you... so many do.

Those that noticeably increase the volume do instantly repulse and irritate me... and I simply will not buy a product if their commercials do that.

baja
02-18-2009, 03:29 PM
Yea, that's why a commercial that people actually enjoy is a real work of art. We're genetically programmed to hate ads as human beings, so if an ad doesn't repulse someone, it's really done its job.

But, I'm with you... so many do.

I have read the commercials that people enjoy are not often the best sellers of the product and often it's the annoying adds that get the people to buy the product.

The commercials that border on criminal IMO are the ones that promise a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow if only they will go and convince their doctor to prescribe them the special magic bullet drug being flogged .

Popps
02-18-2009, 03:31 PM
I work in marketing for a cable network. But i worked for years in film production/development as well. Also write too, but havent made enough to do it full time.

Very cool. Cable isn't a bad place to be right now. They're used to running leaner models and hence a little less susceptible to cut due to the recession.
But, no one is totally safe. Our parent company has laid off a lot of people.

Hope you and your co-workers are safe.

SonOfLe-loLang
02-18-2009, 03:40 PM
Very cool. Cable isn't a bad place to be right now. They're used to running leaner models and hence a little less susceptible to cut due to the recession.
But, no one is totally safe. Our parent company has laid off a lot of people.

Hope you and your co-workers are safe.

Yeah, so far our parent company hasn't really touched its tv/film divisions, but im sure those are coming. We've definitely been effected by the economy, but probably not as much as the main station...though we've had to adapt to the model to the new reality as well.

Memento
02-18-2009, 03:40 PM
In college this really hot chick who I had not spoken with in a couple of months calls me up and asks if she can come over next Saturday.

I am like cool, come on over.

Saturday, she comes over, except she was not by herself she brought a 65 year old blue hair lady with her. Wanting me to become part of the rainbow friends network.

What a total letdown.

Yeah, it's always the sneak attack.

My ex-wife all of the sudden took a keen interest in having me and my then-girlfriend (now wife) over for dinner. Spent what seemed like an eternity watching videos of mansions and yachts... and being challenged with probing questions like, "Isn't the the lifestyle you'd like to lead?" and "Who wouldn't want to live like this?". Needless to say we cut dinner short that day.

Turns out her new husband was an Amway-militant. We learned how it's not called Amway anymore (can't remember what they were calling it at the time) and that it wasn't a pyramid scheme (but of course:)).

Years (and probably lots of annoyed family members) later, they're still living in the same humble CA house... no yachts in sight.

Hmm.

Popps
02-18-2009, 03:50 PM
I have read the commercials that people enjoy are not often the best sellers of the product and often it's the annoying adds that get the people to buy the product.

Yep. I'm not in advertising so much as promo, so I serve advertisers... but I've heard that as well. (Sometimes people can't remember a product name if the commercial is TOO good.)

Remember the Buy.com ad during the Suerbowl a few years back that was just the name on a black screen? It was born of that concept.

Popps
02-18-2009, 03:52 PM
Those that noticeably increase the volume do instantly repulse and irritate me... and I simply will not buy a product if their commercials do that.

That's a big problem. Most of that happens on the affiliate side. (Your local station.) Ads come in mastered hot, and sometimes stations just run things as-is without much correction, so the ads blast up in volume compared to programming.

It's annoying as ****ing hell.

But, keep in mind... it's likely not the products fault in these cases.

SonOfLe-loLang
02-18-2009, 04:08 PM
Yep. I'm not in advertising so much as promo, so I serve advertisers... but I've heard that as well. (Sometimes people can't remember a product name if the commercial is TOO good.)

Remember the Buy.com ad during the Suerbowl a few years back that was just the name on a black screen? It was born of that concept.

That is my FAVORITE ad ever...though it was teeeny black writing on a yellow screen right? There's no sound, which makes you look at the tv because of the break in noise. Then its so small, that you take notice and squint to see that is says....buy.com. brilliant, cost them absolutely nothing to make. Having said that, ive never once used buy.com:)

Taco John
02-18-2009, 04:08 PM
The kind of ads that I love are banner ads. Especially the kinds that people click on to help defray server costs. :)

goldengopher1976
02-18-2009, 04:13 PM
We'll just pay for netflix and stop watching. We stopped watching 24 and will just do the DVD thing. no advertisements before or during the shows.

Amen and amen.

baja
02-18-2009, 04:13 PM
what do you get per click?

Blueflame
02-18-2009, 04:15 PM
That's a big problem. Most of that happens on the affiliate side. (Your local station.) Ads come in mastered hot, and sometimes stations just run things as-is without much correction, so the ads blast up in volume compared to programming.

It's annoying as ****ing hell.

But, keep in mind... it's likely not the products fault in these cases.

I honestly didn't know it wasn't the fault of the product's advertising company... it's human nature to blame them though 'cause their name's in the ad.

I'm an aficionado of the cheesy, sci-fi horror movies one often finds on the Sci-Fi channel (yeah, I know they're lame, but that's part of the appeal...LOL) and have really noticed the volume differences between programming and some commercials on that channel.

Popps
02-18-2009, 04:19 PM
I honestly didn't know it wasn't the fault of the product's advertising company... it's human nature to blame them though 'cause their name's in the ad.


Yea, in general... it's only the advertiser's fault in that they do produce loud promos, but this stuff should really be moderated at the affiliate level. Most of the time it is, in particular if a whole night's shows are integrated. (Put together on a "reel" to play out.) But, in the case of, say... live programming or late-night stuff, who knows how some of these stations operate. They may just pop it in and let 'er fly!


I'm an aficionado of the cheesy, sci-fi horror movies one often finds on the Sci-Fi channel (yeah, I know they're lame, but that's part of the appeal...LOL)

Then you must be a Mystery Science Theater fan, as well.... ?

Popps
02-18-2009, 04:20 PM
That is my FAVORITE ad ever...though it was teeeny black writing on a yellow screen right? There's no sound, which makes you look at the tv because of the break in noise. Then its so small, that you take notice and squint to see that is says....buy.com. brilliant, cost them absolutely nothing to make. Having said that, ive never once used buy.com:)

Oh yea, I believe you're right about the coloring, etc.

Seriously. They probably made that ad in Final Cut in an off-line bay and just used it as it was.

I think I've used Buy.com. Can't recall. They actually do run very good specials.

baja
02-18-2009, 04:23 PM
Well their add worked because of you guys talking about it I'm going there and buy something...

Blueflame
02-18-2009, 04:51 PM
Yea, in general... it's only the advertiser's fault in that they do produce loud promos, but this stuff should really be moderated at the affiliate level. Most of the time it is, in particular if a whole night's shows are integrated. (Put together on a "reel" to play out.) But, in the case of, say... live programming or late-night stuff, who knows how some of these stations operate. They may just pop it in and let 'er fly!



Then you must be a Mystery Science Theater fan, as well.... ?

Oh, definitely. :D

Directv... HughesNet... Total Gym... eHarmony... Viagra... all of their ads seem to be consistently louder than the regular programming, which is really counterproductive when the viewer mutes the ad... ;D

Popps
02-18-2009, 05:21 PM
Well their add worked because of you guys talking about it I'm going there and buy something...

I get their email at one of my addresses and I'm always surprised at the specials they'll run. (Hard drives cheap, memory, LCDs, etc.)

Fusionfrontman
02-18-2009, 05:44 PM
Advertisements on condoms..toilet paper... It's called KISS. Gene put the makeup design of each member on condoms, as well as toliet paper. As a big KISS fan I was given one (Paul Stanley) as a gag one day. I kept it on me and a few days later it came in handy. Big time.
So I'm not TOO oppossed to advertisements on condoms.

ColoradoDarin
02-18-2009, 06:50 PM
That's perfectly fine. You can also purchase the stuff on iTunes and other places without ads.

I don't blame consumers for making the choice to seek advertising-free products, and conversely... consumers shouldn't be surprised that free things come with some sort of advertising attached.

But, again... it just strikes me as a mindset. There was a time very recently where people just watched TV and either paid attention to commercials or went to get a snack. But now with the advent of technology to avoid advertising, consumers have assumed and attitude of almost being entitled to free content with no reciprocal arrangement of any kind and I can assure you... that will never be the case, at least not legally.

There was also a time where you could watch a TV show and have 2 minute commercial breaks. When execs started with the 4+ minute breaks, I started by muting my TV, now I have DVR and don't watch live TV hardly ever (even football, I'll just delay the start by 90 mins).

When TV executives started treating their customers like idiots instead of valued consumers, they should have expected a reaction.

Popps
02-18-2009, 10:02 PM
There was also a time where you could watch a TV show and have 2 minute commercial breaks.

Since the 1970s, the average half-hour show has gone from 25 minutes of programming to 22 minutes. A difference, to be sure... but hardly enough to cause any sort of panic in the average viewer, particularly those who weren't watching TV in the 60s. (i.e the biggest target demo for adverstisers.)


When TV executives started treating their customers like idiots instead of valued consumers, they should have expected a reaction.

Nope.

TV execs don't care about you. They don't care if you're an idiot or a brain surgeon. They care about their advertisers. You're just a number.

Those on the creative side "care" about you, but only so much as they're gearing their art-form towards a particular audience.

So, TV hasn't changed because execs decided you were an idiot. Frankly, they've always assumed as much. TV has changed because of rampant competition and massive changes in technology.

DomCasual
02-18-2009, 11:09 PM
Advertisements on condoms..toilet paper... It's called KISS. Gene put the makeup design of each member on condoms, as well as toliet paper. As a big KISS fan I was given one (Paul Stanley) as a gag one day. I kept it on me and a few days later it came in handy. Big time.
So I'm not TOO oppossed to advertisements on condoms.

Wait. You kept a condom on you for a few days? Do I have that right?

Dude, were you chaffing at all?

BroncoMan4ever
02-18-2009, 11:18 PM
everything to do with Disney currently. i mean jesus christ who the **** are the Jonas Brothers, why is Miley Cyrus Popular(her music sucks, and unlike pop singers before her like Britney or Christina she isn't even attractive to look at with the volume on mute) and High School Musical. seriously what the hell is wrong with kids in this country, that crap like this is popular?

also the extenze commercials that are on like every 10 minutes. if you're packing a cocktail weenie, i seriously doubt these pills are going to turn you into a porn star