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SpringStein
02-17-2009, 05:07 PM
Per CBS4 text...

Sassy
02-17-2009, 05:07 PM
According to CBS4 The Broncos have released CB Dre' Bly

CHANGSTER
02-17-2009, 05:08 PM
I can dig it

loborugger
02-17-2009, 05:09 PM
Better thread title, Sassy. Keep this one.

Oh, and Bye Bly.

elsid13
02-17-2009, 05:11 PM
Well we are now in the need of #2 corner. Wonder if they are going to make a run at FA or attempt to draft one?

Sassy
02-17-2009, 05:11 PM
Better thread title, Sassy. Keep this one.

Oh, and Bye Bly.

Ok...so I was a little excited! Now...release Paymah! ;D

Natedogg
02-17-2009, 05:12 PM
Not sure I like this move. Our lack of pressure made Bly look way worse than he was imo.

SonOfLe-loLang
02-17-2009, 05:13 PM
whats the cap implication on this again? Eddie Mac?

elsid13
02-17-2009, 05:13 PM
Ok...so I was a little excited! Now...release Paymah! ;D

Paymah is FA

loborugger
02-17-2009, 05:14 PM
Ok...so I was a little excited! Now...release Paymah! ;D

Then you can entitle that thread, "No payola for Paymah."

^5

s0phr0syne
02-17-2009, 05:15 PM
Official site confirmation: http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=334&storyID=8848

Broncos Make Another Move, Release Bly

DenverBroncos.com

ENGLEWOOD, Colo. -- A day after releasing six players, the Broncos have made another transaction.

On Tuesday the team announced the release of Dre' Bly.
Bly, an 11th-year player, spent the previous two seasons with the Broncos after they acquired him in a trade from Detroit on March 2, 2007.

Bly started all 16 games in both seasons in Denver, posting 57 and 77 tackles respectively. He also notched seven interceptions in his two years with the Broncos.

BroncoMan4ever
02-17-2009, 05:17 PM
josh bell looked pretty good covering for Champ. if we can get a little pressure from the front 7 we might not miss Bly that much.

anyone getting a feel that we might go after Namdi now?

Sassy
02-17-2009, 05:17 PM
Then you can entitle that thread, "No payola for Paymah."

^5

Paymah had his moments here and there...but I never yelled more at one player this year.

BroncoBuff
02-17-2009, 05:17 PM
Man, I don't like this. I hope Nolan knows what he's doing........

Florida_Bronco
02-17-2009, 05:19 PM
Man, I don't like this. I hope Nolan knows what he's doing........

Bly is a very solid corner so either he wasn't going to restructure his contract, or Nolan has faith in Paymah, Bell, or Williams.

SouthStndJunkie
02-17-2009, 05:23 PM
Man, I don't like this. I hope Nolan knows what he's doing........

I don't mind it....this defense needed an enema.

It would be hard for the defense to be any worse than it was last year.

Our defense was infected with suck and it's time to clean the infected area.

SpringStein
02-17-2009, 05:24 PM
Bly is a very solid corner so either he wasn't going to restructure his contract, or Nolan has faith in Paymah, Bell, or Williams.

Or a high draft pick. ;)

elsid13
02-17-2009, 05:25 PM
Or a high draft pick. ;)

Jenkins, or Alphonso Smith

ND Bronco Fan
02-17-2009, 05:26 PM
From Eddie Mac on another thread

"Bly will actually cost more to cut than keep. "

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=77225

Post #17

TheDave
02-17-2009, 05:26 PM
For better or worse the defense is going to look significantly different next season...

FantomForce
02-17-2009, 05:26 PM
I'll be, didn't see that coming

SonOfLe-loLang
02-17-2009, 05:28 PM
Jenkins, or Alphonso Smith

Ugh, i will be very upset if we draft a corner in the first. In fact, ill be very upset if we draft ANYTHING other than a front-seven D guy

BroncoBuff
02-17-2009, 05:28 PM
From Eddie Mac on another thread

"Bly will actually cost more to cut than keep. "

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=77225

Post #17
I dunno about his cap impact, but this was his contract per Rotoworld:

3/28/2007: Signed a five-year, $33 million contract. The deal contains $18 million in bonuses. $16 million is guaranteed, including a $9 million "signing bonus" in the second year. 2009-2010: $3.25 million, 2011: $4 million, 2012: Free Agent

SouthStndJunkie
02-17-2009, 05:29 PM
Bly was scheduled to make a $3.25 million salary plus $400,000 with a workout bonus this year after making a combined $18.8 million the previous two seasons.

Damn....Bly made out like a bandit the past 2 seasons.

BroncoMan4ever
02-17-2009, 05:31 PM
For better or worse the defense is going to look significantly different next season...

i don't think it could get worse, so it will be different but better.

SonOfLe-loLang
02-17-2009, 05:32 PM
From Eddie Mac on another thread

"Bly will actually cost more to cut than keep. "

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=77225

Post #17

Cost more capwise i assume (and since we are something like 35 under, not a concern), not spending wise, which im sure was the motivation behind this.

ND Bronco Fan
02-17-2009, 05:32 PM
I dunno about his cap impact, but this was his contract per Rotoworld:

3/28/2007: Signed a five-year, $33 million contract. The deal contains $18 million in bonuses. $16 million is guaranteed, including a $9 million "signing bonus" in the second year. 2009-2010: $3.25 million, 2011: $4 million, 2012: Free Agent

Yeah the cap is like trying to figure out government spending, I allow Eddie Mac to do the number crunching and trust his opinion. He has done really well in the past and for that I thank him.

Sassy
02-17-2009, 05:33 PM
BS I was here first ;D

TonyR
02-17-2009, 05:33 PM
From Eddie Mac on another thread

"Bly will actually cost more to cut than keep. "



If this is true I don't understand why we wouldn't keep him one more year.

broncofan2438
02-17-2009, 05:34 PM
Get him outta here

SonOfLe-loLang
02-17-2009, 05:34 PM
If this is true I don't understand why we wouldn't keep him one more year.

because cap implications are not Denver's concern now. It's still 4 million bucks they do not have to pay him this season, regardless of cap (correct?)

TonyR
02-17-2009, 05:35 PM
Cost more capwise i assume (and since we are something like 35 under, not a concern), not spending wise, which im sure was the motivation behind this.

Yes, if the EM's cap info is correct it must be a cash issue because otherwise this doesn't make sense.

elsid13
02-17-2009, 05:35 PM
If this is true I don't understand why we wouldn't keep him one more year.

They must be targetting someone in FA, they think can come in a be a major difference maker with Champ in the backfield.

Ray Finkle
02-17-2009, 05:36 PM
Well we are now in the need of #2 corner. Wonder if they are going to make a run at FA or attempt to draft one?

talking to Wabbit last year, the Broncos were really high on Bell....

SonOfLe-loLang
02-17-2009, 05:38 PM
They must be targetting someone in FA, they think can come in a be a major difference maker with Champ in the backfield.

i hope said difference maker plays DL or linebacker

elsid13
02-17-2009, 05:38 PM
talking to Wabbit last year, the Broncos were really high on Bell....

But that was different coaching staff. How does Bell or Williams project as press corner in the new defense.

TNbroncofan
02-17-2009, 05:39 PM
here comes FOXWORTH!Booya!

Traveler
02-17-2009, 05:41 PM
talking to Wabbit last year, the Broncos were really high on Bell....

And we know how awesome the team was at evaluating defensive talent, huh?;)

Rabb
02-17-2009, 05:43 PM
well one thing is for sure, they are not effing around...I kinda' dig that

s0phr0syne
02-17-2009, 05:45 PM
lol, essentially we got 2 GOOD years out of Bly...all for the cost of unloading Foster.

Take that Shanny bashers! :P

yerner
02-17-2009, 05:45 PM
so now they need corners, too? i guess Bly was over priced but after Champ there ain't ****.

broncofan7
02-17-2009, 05:50 PM
7 INTS in 2 yrs isn't too shabby considering teams could run at will against us--I actually was hoping that we'd keep Bly at least 1 more year--but hopefully the FO is looking at someone OUTSIDE of the organization to replace Dre.

broncos-rock
02-17-2009, 05:51 PM
And if they get a good package of picks and players I bet Champ is gone too. Patriots never paid big bucks for corners I bet we don't either

Ironlung
02-17-2009, 05:51 PM
Bly was terrible, I know the lack of pass rush didn't help matters but half the time it looked like he wasn't even trying out there.

Ray Finkle
02-17-2009, 05:52 PM
But that was different coaching staff. How does Bell or Williams project as press corner in the new defense.

look at Nolan and Billichex's systems....one good corner (McAllister at the time or Law) and one average corner. If they are able to find safety help and finally apply pressure, the other side will not matter as much.

ludo21
02-17-2009, 05:52 PM
Seems we will be going with the PAts scheme of storn front 7, decent back 4.

sounds good to me ;D

Popps
02-17-2009, 05:54 PM
Bly wasn't terrible, and he actually played a little better as the year went on. But, all bets are off when you put out the front seven we do. I know it's a point many have made, but it's almost pointless to even debate. Even Bailey was getting beaten out there. (When healthy.)

I'm not torn up about Bly leaving, though... particularly if it opens up the cap for us. But, I do wonder who they have in mind to replace him, and I'm ****ing scared to death we'll draft a CB high. Shanahan is gone, so hopefully that won't be the case with all of the pressing needs we have.

gyldenlove
02-17-2009, 05:58 PM
I am a little surprised, I guess he turned down a pay cut.

broncsyanks
02-17-2009, 05:58 PM
so great- we have no safties, missing a linebacker, missing like 3 guys on the line and now we release a 2 db. so now we have 36-38 mil under the cap? but we still have graham. so unless they really splurge in free agency then we will have to rely on our draft. either way, that nice cap cushion that we have is going to go away and we will have to rely on some unproven draft picks.

talk about rebuilding. lol. sure hope this doesnt take that long

ZONA
02-17-2009, 06:02 PM
OMG - it's a fire sale.

Josh is not wasting any time, holy $hit, he's axing guys like he was a logger turned serial killer. Just wow. If I was any player on the defense, I would not be sleeping easy for awhile, and that includes Champ and DJ.

broncosteven
02-17-2009, 06:02 PM
I guess all the threads about trading Champ or Moving him to FS are dead at this point.

chadta
02-17-2009, 06:03 PM
Seems we will be going with the PAts scheme of storn front 7, decent back 4.

sounds good to me ;D

id prefer that to the recent past version of no front seven and 2 outta 4 in the back

Florida_Bronco
02-17-2009, 06:03 PM
If I was any player on the defense, I would not be sleeping easy for awhile, and that includes Champ and DJ.

Let's not get crazy now. DJ played great last year and Champ is still the best CB in the game.

Dedhed
02-17-2009, 06:05 PM
I had a feeling this was coming, and I don't have any issue with it. I really wouldn't have an issue with any player on the defense being let go. I could take or leave every single player on that side of the ball.

elsid13
02-17-2009, 06:06 PM
I guess all the threads about trading Champ or Moving him to FS are dead at this point.

No someone will post that because Denver was 0-19 last season we should trade everyone and really rebuild.

cutthemdown
02-17-2009, 06:07 PM
josh bell looked pretty good covering for Champ. if we can get a little pressure from the front 7 we might not miss Bly that much.

anyone getting a feel that we might go after Namdi now?

Raider could still tag him making it a pipe dream

Dedhed
02-17-2009, 06:09 PM
Champ is still the best CB in the game.
That's certainly debatable; I'd take Nnamdi over Champ and have said so in a couple of threads. How much good does having the best for 7 games a year do you?

DJ is a great athlete, but a mediocre football player.

Inkana7
02-17-2009, 06:10 PM
Bly was terrible, I know the lack of pass rush didn't help matters but half the time it looked like he wasn't even trying out there.

Are you kidding me?

SonOfLe-loLang
02-17-2009, 06:11 PM
if we're gonna spend money SPEND IT ON THE FRONT SEVEN. A good front seven can mask a mediocre secondary...not the other way around.

Florida_Bronco
02-17-2009, 06:12 PM
That's certainly debatable; I'd take Nnamdi over Champ and have said so in a couple of threads. How much good does having the best for 7 games a year do you?

7 games a year? What the hell are you talking about, Dedhed? ??? Last year was the first time Champ has missed any meaningful time since he's been in the league.

And while Nnamdi is a very good corner, on their best days I'd still take Champ. Only real advantage I give Nnamdi is age.

DJ is a great athlete, but a mediocre football player. This is about as off base as your statement about Champ's playing time. That "medicore football player" was a midseason All-Pro.

HEAV
02-17-2009, 06:13 PM
To get where this franchise needs to be it needed to take a few steps back and get it's $hit together.

In Josh & Nolan I trust!

Florida_Bronco
02-17-2009, 06:13 PM
Are you kidding me?

Probably not. It seems that whenever a player is not performing up to expectations, the default talking point is to bash their "effort" or "heart" instead of any real football talk.

Carmelo15
02-17-2009, 06:13 PM
I'm coo with this move as long as we're not planning on starting Josh Bell. We need to bring in another corner. Asomugha ain't gonna happen. I wouldnt mind us going after Chris McAlister. Him and Champ are two physical corners and he should come a lot cheaper than Bly since hes coming off an injury.

Steve Prefontaine
02-17-2009, 06:15 PM
That's certainly debatable; I'd take Nnamdi over Champ and have said so in a couple of threads. How much good does having the best for 7 games a year do you?

DJ is a great athlete, but a mediocre football player.

Ok, this is getting old.

Champ has played 10 seasons. In 9 of those seasons, he played at least 14 games. Only one season did he play less...last year. And that was 9 games.

So are you really just basing your observation on last season? Because you're making it sound like either Champ is injury prone or doesn't play through injuries. Both are wrong based on his career.

Killericon
02-17-2009, 06:15 PM
Booooooooooo!

bronco militia
02-17-2009, 06:24 PM
thank god...bly looked old and slow from pre-season all the way to december

ZONA
02-17-2009, 06:27 PM
Champ and DJ both are good players, but with how things are going, that doesn't mean they won't be traded. No way do they get cut, I wasn't saying that. That would be going crazy.

At this point, I'm expecting to open the papers up tomorrow to find that McDaniel's has cut Bowlen and is looking for a new owner................. ROFL!

BroncoFiend
02-17-2009, 06:27 PM
Well...for better or worse, this will be a very entertaining offseason.

bronco militia
02-17-2009, 06:29 PM
Well...for better or worse, this will be a very entertaining offseason.

will be? it's already the craziest offseason I can remember

elsid13
02-17-2009, 06:29 PM
Denver's release of Bly doesn't save money

February 17, 2009 8:59 PM

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/afcwest/0-3-1576/Denver-s-release-of-Bly-doesn-t-save-money.html
Posted by ESPN.com's Bill Williamson

A day after the Denver Broncos cut six players, four of whom started on defense, to save money, Denver cut another defensive starter.

This time, it wasn't done to save money. The Broncos cut cornerback Dre' Bly because they want to upgrade at right cornerback. Bly had three years remaining on his contract.

Awash in salary cap room, Denver was easily able to absorb a $2.6 million salary-cap hit to part ways with Bly, an 11-year veteran who has lost considerable speed. Bly had more than $9 million in dead money. The Broncos now have more than $17 million in dead money, including the contract of former running back Travis Henry, which is currently the highest in the league.

Still, Denver has more than $25 million in functional slary cap room and it is expected to try to fill several needs on defense in free agency. Denver will need to find five or six defensive starters through free agency and the draft.

Expect Denver to look for cornerbacks in free agency. One possibility may be St. Louis' Ronald Bartell.

Bly never made the impact in Denver the Broncos hoped when he was acquired from Detroit for running back Tatum Bell and tackle George Foster in March, 2007. The deal was considered a blockbuster for Denver, which emerged from a large list of teams that was pursuing Bly. The team thought Bly would team with star Champ Bailey to make one of the best cornerback tandems in the league.

Yet, Bly, who is now an unrestricted free agent, was just average in Denver. Although, he did play fairly well in the second half of 2008 when Bailey was hurt. In the end, Bly was another in a long line of big names flops in Denver in the final years of the Mike Shanahan era.

The new Denver regime was so anxious to get rid of Bly that it paid to do it.

Carmelo15
02-17-2009, 06:30 PM
I think this means we might be making a bigger splash in FA than i had originally expected

Sassy
02-17-2009, 06:30 PM
Well...for better or worse, this will be a very entertaining offseason.

It already is!

randomtask
02-17-2009, 06:32 PM
Not a huge fan of this, but we could replace him with McAlister for potentially less (because he was injured the past two years and has worked with Nolan in Baltimore in the past).

telluride
02-17-2009, 06:34 PM
The Broncos now have more than $17 million in dead money, including the contract of former running back Travis Henry, which is currently the highest in the league.

Nice job, Shanny.

BroncoFiend
02-17-2009, 06:42 PM
It already is!

True true, I wasn't trying to imply that it hasn't been exciting so far just that we have a lot of news to look forward to. It will certainly pass the time until football is back again.

Inkana7
02-17-2009, 06:43 PM
10 Days until Free Agency.

elsid13
02-17-2009, 06:46 PM
Nice job, Shanny.

If Shanahan was here, most like Bly would be to and there wouldn't be any dead money next year. The dead money for Bly is on X and McKiD

Archer81
02-17-2009, 06:50 PM
Hmm. Thats interesting.


:Broncos:

broncosteven
02-17-2009, 06:52 PM
If Shanahan was here, most like Bly would be to and there wouldn't be any dead money next year. The dead money for Bly is on X and McKiD

It's MckiD's fault could replace SOB fault ...

Carmelo15
02-17-2009, 06:52 PM
X and McKid didnt sign Travis Henry

broncosteven
02-17-2009, 06:53 PM
X and McKid didnt sign Travis Henry

They haven't won back to back SB's yet either. I don't know if anyone here remembers those years, they are so fixated on the last 3.

broncos-rock
02-17-2009, 06:55 PM
They haven't won back to back SB's yet either. I don't know if anyone here remembers those years, they are so fixated on the last 3.

Its seriously been a long ten years, we just want to win!

footstepsfrom#27
02-17-2009, 06:55 PM
Man, I don't like this. I hope Nolan knows what he's doing........
He does...they're tearing it down and starting over. We'll suck eggs again this year on D but we'll be doing it with young kids. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Champ's traded for draft picks.

broncos-rock
02-17-2009, 06:57 PM
He does...they're tearing it down and starting over. We'll suck eggs again this year on D but we'll be doing it with young kids. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Champ's traded for draft picks.

I agree.....finally somebody talking some sense around here!LOL

Carmelo15
02-17-2009, 06:58 PM
I didnt want Shanny fired actually. I have just accepted it and moved on instead of looking at the Broncos with a "if Shanny were still here mentality." I'm not hatin on you and or Shanahan my dude

theAPAOps5
02-17-2009, 06:59 PM
They haven't won back to back SB's yet either. I don't know if anyone here remembers those years, they are so fixated on the last 3.

If they had won those SB's 4 years ago I would see your point. I am a Shanahan fan but you can't use the 2 SB argument when its 10 years old. It was pretty much a given that Bly was getting cut. His skill isn't worth his contract.

elsid13
02-17-2009, 07:01 PM
It's MckiD's fault could replace SOB fault ...

I got copy right and licencing fees if it does.

eddie mac
02-17-2009, 07:06 PM
Does Burger Bill want to hand his ESPN reigns over to me???

I called him out on this yesterday yet he was adamant that Bly would save $6m on the cap if he was cut.

He changed his ****ing tune quick didn't he.

Broncos actually dont save a whole lot of cash with this move either because they owed Dre $3m from 2007 as a deferred payment. I'm pretty sure he got that money before he left the building.

BroncoMan4ever
02-17-2009, 07:06 PM
They haven't won back to back SB's yet either. I don't know if anyone here remembers those years, they are so fixated on the last 3.

it has been a decade since those days, you seem to be fixated on the good ol' days. similar to how 40 year old dudes with beer guts reminisce about the catch they made in the big game in high school.

i say thank you Mike, but time has come for some new blood.

too many people, Bowlen included were so grateful for the 2 super bowls that they were willing to give Mike a free pass for the rest of his career.

truthfully the firing of Shanahan should have happened about 5 years ago.

i was a Shanahan believer, but when you think about it, 1 playoff win in the past decade, 3 years with no playoffs, terrible FA aquisitions, basically raping Bowlen of big money for worthless talent every year, it was time for a change.

and now that the new regime is cutting the dead weight Shanahan brought in, there are going to be a few bumps in the road.

elsid13
02-17-2009, 07:07 PM
Does Burger Bill want to hand his ESPN reigns over to me???

I called him out on this yesterday yet he was adamant that Bly would save $6m on the cap if he was cut.

He changed his ****ing tune quick didn't he.

Broncos actually dont save a whole lot of cash with this move either because they owed Dre $3m from 2007 as a deferred payment. I'm pretty sure he got that money before he left the building.

I really think Burger Bill show up here and mines the mane for ideas about the Broncos.

theAPAOps5
02-17-2009, 07:08 PM
Does Burger Bill want to hand his ESPN reigns over to me???

I called him out on this yesterday yet he was adamant that Bly would save $6m on the cap if he was cut.

He changed his ****ing tune quick didn't he.

Broncos actually dont save a whole lot of cash with this move either because they owed Dre $3m from 2007 as a deferred payment. I'm pretty sure he got that money before he left the building.

You should seriously start a capology website. I would help you run it! I think this move was more you are paid way to much and aren't that good and aren't getting any younger type move.

BroncoMan4ever
02-17-2009, 07:08 PM
He does...they're tearing it down and starting over. We'll suck eggs again this year on D but we'll be doing it with young kids. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Champ's traded for draft picks.

i agree. it would be sad to see him go, but if it did happen i would be ok with it because i do believe it may be necessary to blow the defense up completely and start fresh.

Archer81
02-17-2009, 07:11 PM
So trade a HOF corner who can still play for picks who have a high probability of not working out...why not...


:Broncos:

eddie mac
02-17-2009, 07:13 PM
In all honesty you have to put Dre right up there as one of the costly free agent/trade mistakes that contributed to Shanahan's downfall.

Walker $21.7m
Warren $8m
Gold $18m
Henry $7m
Bly $18.8m

To name 5 that stung this franchise for over $70m.

broncosteven
02-17-2009, 07:15 PM
If they had won those SB's 4 years ago I would see your point. I am a Shanahan fan but you can't use the 2 SB argument when its 10 years old. It was pretty much a given that Bly was getting cut. His skill isn't worth his contract.

AFC Championship appearance 4 years ago.

People consider Shanny a loser because of going .500 the last 3 years.

Your right we should win SB every 4 years for eternity because we are Bronco fans.

Carmelo15
02-17-2009, 07:15 PM
You can't blame Shanny for Javon Walker tho. The Darrent Williams tragedy really messed him up psychologically.

Arkie
02-17-2009, 07:16 PM
truthfully the firing of Shanahan should have happened about 5 years ago.


Without Shanny, we may have missed out on hosting an AFC Championship and 4 winning seasons, but that's the cool thing about Bronco Fans.
Shanahan spoiled us.

broncosteven
02-17-2009, 07:18 PM
In all honesty you have to put Dre right up there as one of the costly free agent/trade mistakes that contributed to Shanahan's downfall.

Walker $21.7m
Warren $8m
Gold $18m
Henry $7m
Bly $18.8m

To name 5 that stung this franchise for over $70m.

I think Niko and Colbert may have been the nails in the coffin for the Goodmans. Sounds like it in all the press I have read that Bowlen wasn't happy with the FA's brought in.

colonelbeef
02-17-2009, 07:18 PM
AFC Championship appearance 4 years ago.

People consider Shanny a loser because of going .500 the last 3 years.

Your right we should win SB every 4 years for eternity because we are Bronco fans.

No kidding. Some of these fans deserve to experience what a truly crappy NFL franchise is like. I really hope this isn't the future case though.

broncosteven
02-17-2009, 07:20 PM
You can't blame Shanny for Javon Walker tho. The Darrent Williams tragedy really messed him up psychologically.

He played well his 1st year.

He was our #1 WR in 06, he never recoverd from the injury in 07 and DWill.

BroncoMan4ever
02-17-2009, 07:20 PM
You can't blame Shanny for Javon Walker tho. The Darrent Williams tragedy really messed him up psychologically.

i would agree with that if it weren't for other players who were present when he died not turning into assholes.

Foxworth and DWill were close like brothers. that had to affrect him bad, but he didn't turn into a dick. Marshall was present in the club, and saw him minutes before he died, and he didn't turn into an asshole.

i know it is a little different the situation that Javon was in, where he held him as he died, but he had a team full of guys who were there for him, but he decided to go on his own, alienate himself from the rest of the guys, and eventually force his way out of here.

plus Marshall outplaying him is another reason he felt the need to leave.

eddie mac
02-17-2009, 07:23 PM
You should seriously start a capology website. I would help you run it! I think this move was more you are paid way to much and aren't that good and aren't getting any younger type move.

Dont have time for the website Apa but I have a google spreadsheet available here.

http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pHvzhcBV4Oz8lR5d6DdRMbQ&hl=en

broncosteven
02-17-2009, 07:24 PM
No kidding. Some of these fans deserve to experience what a truly crappy NFL franchise is like. I really hope this isn't the future case though.

I live in Chicago and have watched Duh Bears bumble around signing Wanny, DICK J, and Lovie. They got lucky one year with Dick and in 2006 when REXMAN had his Mark Rypen year.

This place will really thin out if we have a KFC or bad Duh Bear's year at 4-12 or worse.

Think about it, Shanny's worst year was in 1999 after Elway retired and our Rookie QB and HOF RB went down. His 2nd worst years were 7-9 No where near 4-12 or 2-14. Big Difference.

I hope MickyD brings us at least one Back to back SB or a SB win every 4 years. My cup is 1/2 empty though, and it could be more like WANNY years than Shanny years.

eddie mac
02-17-2009, 07:28 PM
BTW who was it that said the Broncos were high on Josh Bell???

If so they need to watch some tape on his tackling last year cos it looked very suspect to me. He's far too raw to be starting next year IMO.

RMT
02-17-2009, 07:29 PM
what's worse, that he made so much or that shanahan was dumb enough to give a mediocre corner megabucks?

Rohirrim
02-17-2009, 07:30 PM
Well, I see Bowlen dumping money, but I don't see him spending any. Cough...

eddie mac
02-17-2009, 07:34 PM
Well, I see Bowlen dumping money, but I don't see him spending any. Cough...

For the first time this offseason I actually do. McD wants talent and he just dumped the guys that dont have any. We certainly wont replace 6 defensive starters via the draft or within the current roster.

DBroncos4life
02-17-2009, 07:35 PM
BTW who was it that said the Broncos were high on Josh Bell???

If so they need to watch some tape on his tackling last year cos it looked very suspect to me. He's far too raw to be starting next year IMO.

If he is starting next to Champ next year we will have a top 5 pick.

s0phr0syne
02-17-2009, 07:36 PM
In all honesty you have to put Dre right up there as one of the costly free agent/trade mistakes that contributed to Shanahan's downfall.

Walker $21.7m
Warren $8m
Gold $18m
Henry $7m
Bly $18.8m

To name 5 that stung this franchise for over $70m.


I don't know that they were mistakes given what was known at the time about each of them.

Javon, as others have pointed out, was insanely productive his first year and even the first game of the 2nd year (against the bills, the Toro finish!). DWill+Injuries resulted in Javon 3rd-personing himself out of Denver.

Gerard Warren played incredibly for us after being a castaway Brownco and earned his new contract--then we hired Bates who's system was more important to him than adapting himself to the players he had.

Gold was bad. He played well in our 2005 season, but was utter crap outside of that.

Henry was coming off a stellar season with the Titans and was the answer we had all been waiting for at RB--then the paternity news hit as well as the injuries. And drugs. Okay okay, lots of off-field issues should have been a red flag, but honestly, no one would have cared about any of that if he hadn't been injured; go back to the production he had when healthy for the first 4 games.

Bly was not a mistake. It's unfortunate that his appearance in Denver coincided with the disappearance of our front 7, but he was very good for us. People want to bash him, but I remember his gutsy performance against the Steelers (I think it was the Steelers) where he clearly had one shoulder dislocated/immobile but he still played and played at a high level. When we discovered we had no nickel backs on the roster, he shifted inside and covered slot receivers very well for us as well. Bly was a good piece.

Anyway, it's all just for discussion's sake at this point I guess--they're all gone now. I just think it's ridiculous to retrospectively look back and say that all these moves were mistakes.

BroncoMan4ever
02-17-2009, 07:37 PM
Without Shanny, we may have missed out on hosting an AFC Championship and 4 winning seasons, but that's the cool thing about Bronco Fans.
Shanahan spoiled us.

in the past 5 years we have gone had 2 winning seasons, 1 playoff win, and 1 ass kicking received in an AFC Championship game.

we went 44-36 in the first 5 years without Elway, qualified for the playoffs twice with no wins. does that look like the kind of record that should have been given another 5 years? i don't think it does, and had he not won 2 Super Bowls before that 5 year stretch there is no way in hell he would have gotten 5 more years as our HC.

Bowlen and a lot of fans were fine with Shanahan controlling everything and making a lot of bad calls that didn't help the team get back to the super bowl, simply because a decade ago he won 2 super bowls.

BroncoMan4ever
02-17-2009, 07:42 PM
Well, I see Bowlen dumping money, but I don't see him spending any. Cough...

this offseason, Bowlen is going to open his wallet. we will more than likely sign 4 new starters in FA, plus a couple of backups. plus a few other starters in the draft.

we are in for a busy offseason.

TheDave
02-17-2009, 07:47 PM
this offseason, Bowlen is going to open his wallet. we will more than likely sign 4 new starters in FA, plus a couple of backups. plus a few other starters in the draft.

we are in for a busy offseason.

Unfortunately everything I keep hearing is that Dove Valley is cash strapped. If that's true we aren't going to see much in FA.

DBroncos4life
02-17-2009, 07:50 PM
I just don't like the move. At worst we now have to spend more money on a CB. Bly was already paid for why not keep Bly and let him move to the 3rd CB. I would rather have Champ, Bly and FA starting then Champ, FA, and Paymah starting.

BroncoMan4ever
02-17-2009, 07:52 PM
Unfortunately everything I keep hearing is that Dove Valley is cash strapped. If that's true we aren't going to see much in FA.

if Bowlen was worried about the salary cap, and how much of it he will use, there is no way he would have fired Shanahan, and paid for a new HC while still paying Mike and his staff, and he would not be letting his roster be purged like it is, if he didn't have plans to allow the new staff have the money to get the new players to fill in those spots.

that's how i see it

snowspot66
02-17-2009, 07:53 PM
We'll be active but who knows if guys will sign or not. I think we'll be in for a large number of short term budget FA's to fill gaps on the defense. The bright side is we can't possibly be any worse on defense. We could bring in 20 UDFA rookies to fill out the defensive spots and likely still play better. Certainly play with more passion.

NFLBRONCO
02-17-2009, 07:53 PM
He does...they're tearing it down and starting over. We'll suck eggs again this year on D but we'll be doing it with young kids. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Champ's traded for draft picks.


Yes they should and I really hope they do a major housecleaning in 09 and have totally a young team on D.

chaz
02-17-2009, 07:59 PM
Not sure I like this move. Our lack of pressure made Bly look way worse than he was imo.

This is the truth. Bly is an above-average #2 with any semblance of a pass rush in front of him.

extralife
02-17-2009, 08:03 PM
Well, I see Bowlen dumping money, but I don't see him spending any. Cough...

Bingo. Every move we've made in the last two months has been to either save Bowlen some money or prop up his ego. Those that think we're going to go out and spend big bucks in free agency are delusional. We won't spend a dime outside of what is needed to bring enough people to camp.

Arkie
02-17-2009, 08:04 PM
in the past 5 years we have gone had 2 winning seasons, 1 playoff win, and 1 ass kicking received in an AFC Championship game.

we went 44-36 in the first 5 years without Elway, qualified for the playoffs twice with no wins. does that look like the kind of record that should have been given another 5 years? i don't think it does, and had he not won 2 Super Bowls before that 5 year stretch there is no way in hell he would have gotten 5 more years as our HC.

Bowlen and a lot of fans were fine with Shanahan controlling everything and making a lot of bad calls that didn't help the team get back to the super bowl, simply because a decade ago he won 2 super bowls.

I'm just saying Bronco fans are spoiled. Chances are Coach McDaniels will get fired before he wins a SB for the Broncos. I hope I'm wrong.

BroncoBuff
02-17-2009, 08:05 PM
I can't wait to see who we go after in free agency ... it's gonna be damed interesting.

Archer81
02-17-2009, 08:07 PM
This just in:

Orangemane discovers Broncos fans are spoiled...more on this as the story unfolds...


:Broncos:

lex
02-17-2009, 08:09 PM
This is the truth. Bly is an above-average #2 with any semblance of a pass rush in front of him.

McDaniels came in saying that he likes tough and smart players. The way Dre likes to take chances, its easy to understand why he's gone. I dont think you can say he's especially tough either even though he does play CB.

Hogan11
02-17-2009, 08:27 PM
I just don't know about this move...it's questionable

KCStud
02-17-2009, 08:32 PM
Bly is a very solid corner so either he wasn't going to restructure his contract, or Nolan has faith in Paymah, Bell, or Williams.

Bly is a horrible corner who has been exposed the last 2 years.

montrose
02-17-2009, 08:34 PM
McDaniels came in saying that he likes tough and smart players. The way Dre likes to take chances, its easy to understand why he's gone. I dont think you can say he's especially tough either even though he does play CB.

Good point, I think Bly can be a very good #2 CB in the right situation but his style is not one that jives with the McDaniels/Nolan/Xanders style of defender. With that, I fully expect the Mane to hate our new #2 CB just as they did Bly. We've been spoiled by Champ, and the standards of CB play here are ridiculous.

broncos-rock
02-17-2009, 08:34 PM
Bingo. Every move we've made in the last two months has been to either save Bowlen some money or prop up his ego. Those that think we're going to go out and spend big bucks in free agency are delusional. We won't spend a dime outside of what is needed to bring enough people to camp.

How do you know this....Bowlen has always given his coach the tools needed to win and be successful. Why would he not give Mcdaniels the same tools as Shanny? I think maybe your delusional!

OBF1
02-17-2009, 08:35 PM
talking to Wabbit last year, the Broncos were really high on Bell....

I am glad Tatum is back in the fold Hilarious!

bpc
02-17-2009, 08:38 PM
BPC approves this move!

Somebody put Boss Bailey under the scimitar next!

theAPAOps5
02-17-2009, 08:40 PM
AFC Championship appearance 4 years ago.

People consider Shanny a loser because of going .500 the last 3 years.

Your right we should win SB every 4 years for eternity because we are Bronco fans.

Like I said I am a Shanahan fan. I agree the AFC Champ game was excellent. I also wasn't calling for his head and was defending him. But once he was fired I moved on. I will always root for a Shanahan coached team but the Broncos are my true passion. Thats all I was getting at.

Rigs11
02-17-2009, 08:41 PM
Deangelo hall?

yerner
02-17-2009, 08:47 PM
Deangelo hall?

I think deangelo hall stays in DC. I read today they are trying to resign him. He's from VA and wants to stick around.

Every article I've seen from Williamson and some other guys keep bringing up Bartell from St. Louis.

I liked Bly, thought he was a real pro. Overpaid, but a solid player. But if they are trying to get more speed on the field, its hard to argue.

skpac1001
02-17-2009, 08:55 PM
Personally I don't think Bronco fans are spoiled in general. Shanny had one of the longest runs as head coach despite having one good playoff game in 10 years and was supported by the fan base the whole time, and even now has many supporters (of which I am one, Shanny is probably still my favorite coach, but I am happy we are going in a new direction). I really don't know more supportive fans then that. I don't really want to be part of a fan base that does not expect superbowl runs every 4-5 years or at least progress in the playoffs.

Broncos_OTM
02-17-2009, 09:02 PM
How do you know this....Bowlen has always given his coach the tools needed to win and be successful. Why would he not give Mcdaniels the same tools as Shanny? I think maybe your delusional!

He is giving him the tools. you can see it with all the people that is being cut. He most likely came in with a plan of some type. and polished it after he became coach. now that he has made the purge he HAS to fill in those spots. the only question is what type of players he brings in. 1st tier 2nd tier 3rd tier is the question

_Oro_
02-17-2009, 09:14 PM
Please don't forget one of Shanny's first FA mistakes, Daryl Gardener.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1756473

I'm not sure but he might have been the beginning of the end for Shanny. :)

BroncoMan4ever
02-17-2009, 09:16 PM
He is giving him the tools. you can see it with all the people that is being cut. He most likely came in with a plan of some type. and polished it after he became coach. now that he has made the purge he HAS to fill in those spots. the only question is what type of players he brings in. 1st tier 2nd tier 3rd tier is the question

i say we bring in 1 top flight FA, a couple 2nd tier and a few 3rd tier. the 1st and 2nd tier guys will become starters and the 3rd tier will be rotational and backups.

by the end of march this will be a very different roster on defense.

BroncoMan4ever
02-17-2009, 09:16 PM
Please don't forget one of Shanny's first FA mistakes, Daryl Gardener.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1756473

I'm not sure but he might have been the beginning of the end for Shanny. :)

Shanahan should have gotten kicked in the balls for that signing.

Kaylore
02-17-2009, 09:59 PM
Does Burger Bill want to hand his ESPN reigns over to me???

I called him out on this yesterday yet he was adamant that Bly would save $6m on the cap if he was cut.

He changed his ****ing tune quick didn't he.

Broncos actually dont save a whole lot of cash with this move either because they owed Dre $3m from 2007 as a deferred payment. I'm pretty sure he got that money before he left the building.
Then why let him go? This makes no sense. We save no money and at worst he can play nickel back. Maybe McDaniels wants to blow the the whole thing up. It just seems like if you're going to dump him, at least trade him for a something even if that's a conditional seventh...

Los Broncos
02-17-2009, 10:03 PM
Didn't see it coming, I hope Nolan knows what he's doing.

~Crash~
02-17-2009, 10:10 PM
no back bone players can hit the curb

wolf754life
02-17-2009, 10:53 PM
the seasons don't fear the reaper, nor do the wind, the sun or the rain.

but every underachieving bronco does..............

times they are a changin!

Cito Pelon
02-17-2009, 11:41 PM
Well we are now in the need of #2 corner. Wonder if they are going to make a run at FA or attempt to draft one?

Dunta Robinson might be the best choice, but that's about a 10-15 mil cap hit cutting Bly and bidding for Dunta. Maybe they have a rookie targeted.

BroncoMan4ever
02-18-2009, 12:28 AM
no back bone players can hit the curb

so that leaves us with Champ and 10 open spots on the starting defense.

Cito Pelon
02-18-2009, 12:34 AM
well one thing is for sure, they are not effing around...I kinda' dig that

Yah, they're sure not f'ing around.

p7superfly
02-18-2009, 01:43 AM
Yeah ... who do we have left?

We should cut Boss.

Dedhed
02-18-2009, 03:07 AM
7 games a year? What the hell are you talking about, Dedhed? ??? Last year was the first time Champ has missed any meaningful time since he's been in the league.

And while Nnamdi is a very good corner, on their best days I'd still take Champ. Only real advantage I give Nnamdi is age.

This is about as off base as your statement about Champ's playing time. That "medicore football player" was a midseason All-Pro.
Champ's been 100% for about 15 games over the last two years. If you want to pretend otherwise, go ahead. The problem with taking Champ over Nnamdi on their best days is that we hardly ever see Champ on his best days any more.

There are a lot of mediocre football players who make the pro bowl. Not sure what your point is there. Do the words Brett Favre mean anything to you?

extralife
02-18-2009, 03:31 AM
Mediocre players don't get all-pro nods.

p7superfly
02-18-2009, 03:36 AM
So we need another good corner, two good safeties, two good linebackers, and two good DLmen.

We should take some shots ... looks like we'll get Rey in the draft ...

DL: Thomas, Drafted Nose (Stone in 2nd?), Crowder
LB: Peppers, Rey, DJ, Woodyard
CB: Who here? The guy from the Rams, or Raiders, or Texans?
S: Some good options here to sign or draft.

I could see us coming out with Peppers at OLB/Rusher, Maulauga, DJ, and Woodyard as a good core at backers. That'd be a chunk in free agency and our first round pick... we'd still need a CB and safeties.

Rohirrim
02-18-2009, 04:52 AM
I believe most of Bowlen's money is tied up in real estate. He's probably taking some pretty good hits to the wallet right now. I don't expect much this year in the FA department.

Northman
02-18-2009, 04:59 AM
Might as well dump Champ then. Better than having him sit on the sideline all year.

eddie mac
02-18-2009, 05:15 AM
I believe most of Bowlen's money is tied up in real estate. He's probably taking some pretty good hits to the wallet right now. I don't expect much this year in the FA department.

We're still under the CBA so I believe he has to either spend 85% or 90% of that $123m cap regardless and the DJ restructure actually sends him in the other direction at present if he's gonna play the tight-ass card as most expect.

Broncoman13
02-18-2009, 05:59 AM
Then why let him go? This makes no sense. We save no money and at worst he can play nickel back. Maybe McDaniels wants to blow the the whole thing up. It just seems like if you're going to dump him, at least trade him for a something even if that's a conditional seventh...

Spite.

I think he was asked to restructure and he called the Broncos bluff knowing that he had his money in hand and that they wouldn't save much by cutting him. So the Broncos sent a message saying cooperate, be a team player, or we don't want you here. Bly may have warmed to Denver over the past couple years, but he never wanted to be here. I liked him, mainly b/c he picked his game up and took a lot of shots on the chin playing oppo Champ Bailey. He was called soft and yet he played his heart out, even sticking his head in on several running plays with a severely injured shoulder. I think Champ challenged him to be a better all around player and he responded. Good luck to Dre Bly, not sure he will be missed...depends on who we bring in.

Broncoman13
02-18-2009, 06:06 AM
We're still under the CBA so I believe he has to either spend 85% or 90% of that $123m cap regardless and the DJ restructure actually sends him in the other direction at present if he's gonna play the tight-ass card as most expect.

Exactly, the Broncos are going to HAVE to spend about $30m in FA/Draft. They will have the option to spend the other $20m or so. I don't know if Bowlen will allow that, but even with $30... Peppers, OJ Atogwe, Bart Scott, Canty... all are possible with that much cap room. Of course we won't get all of those guys, but I wouldn't be surprised if we picked up two of the upper echelon guys and then 15 or so of the 2nd and 3rd tier guys.

cmhargrove
02-18-2009, 06:08 AM
Spite.

I think he was asked to restructure and he called the Broncos bluff knowing that he had his money in hand and that they wouldn't save much by cutting him. So the Broncos sent a message saying cooperate, be a team player, or we don't want you here. Bly may have warmed to Denver over the past couple years, but he never wanted to be here. I liked him, mainly b/c he picked his game up and took a lot of shots on the chin playing oppo Champ Bailey. He was called soft and yet he played his heart out, even sticking his head in on several running plays with a severely injured shoulder. I think Champ challenged him to be a better all around player and he responded. Good luck to Dre Bly, not sure he will be missed...depends on who we bring in.

Good take Oskie.

There is really no reason for us to trash Bly. The Broncos are rebuilding, he costs the team too much at the wrong time. I like Bly, and wish him well.

Now, we are throwing lots of names out there about replacements. Does anyone know what types of corners Nolan and Donatell usually go after? Do they play lots of man / zone / bump and run? What type of corners are we looking for?

It sounds funny, but I think Paymah could do well if he is allowed to be a more physical, man corner rather than playing lots of zone and ugh - 12 yard cushions. I think we will obviously try to grab a vet or put CB on the draft list, but what are we looking for? Not all corners excel at every type of defense...

TheReverend
02-18-2009, 06:12 AM
Exactly, the Broncos are going to HAVE to spend about $30m in FA/Draft. They will have the option to spend the other $20m or so. I don't know if Bowlen will allow that, but even with $30... Peppers, OJ Atogwe, Bart Scott, Canty... all are possible with that much cap room. Of course we won't get all of those guys, but I wouldn't be surprised if we picked up two of the upper echelon guys and then 15 or so of the 2nd and 3rd tier guys.

Don't forget contract extensions and unrealistic incentive bonuses.

eddie mac
02-18-2009, 06:13 AM
Exactly, the Broncos are going to HAVE to spend about $30m in FA/Draft. They will have the option to spend the other $20m or so. I don't know if Bowlen will allow that, but even with $30... Peppers, OJ Atogwe, Bart Scott, Canty... all are possible with that much cap room. Of course we won't get all of those guys, but I wouldn't be surprised if we picked up two of the upper echelon guys and then 15 or so of the 2nd and 3rd tier guys.

No idea where you're getting the $50m figure from Oskie unless Champ does a serious restructure or a new deal that's heavily backloaded whilst Graham and Hamilton half their 2009 base salaries. We're approx $35m under the cap now. Dont see that going too much higher before next Friday. Then again I never expected Dre to be cut so soon as he wasn't due any big cash payments this year.

eddie mac
02-18-2009, 06:15 AM
Don't forget contract extensions and unrealistic incentive bonuses.

Broncos only really ever used that last season because they had the caproom available to do so.

Broncoman13
02-18-2009, 06:16 AM
Don't forget contract extensions and unrealistic incentive bonuses.

The incentive bonuses is a good point. They will likely be able to "spend" several million in cap room with incentives that will never be realized. Good point.

Broncoman13
02-18-2009, 06:17 AM
No idea where you're getting the $50m figure from Oskie unless Champ does a serious restructure or a new deal that's heavily backloaded whilst Graham and Hamilton half their 2009 base salaries. We're approx $35m under the cap now. Dont see that going too much higher before next Friday. Then again I never expected Dre to be cut so soon as he wasn't due any big cash payments this year.

Dre was called by Lombardi, as was DJ's restructure/possible cut. He said there is more coming and that the # was expected to be close to $50m when all was said and done.

socalorado
02-18-2009, 06:36 AM
Dre was called by Lombardi, as was DJ's restructure/possible cut. He said there is more coming and that the # was expected to be close to $50m when all was said and done.

You think Dj will be cut? Or traded?

TonyR
02-18-2009, 06:38 AM
You think Dj will be cut? Or traded?

No, he "restructured".

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=77275

TheChamp24
02-18-2009, 06:40 AM
I think all the hate that went towards Bly was unwarranted. I know on nfldraftcountdown.com forums, people are riding him, but he isn't that bad. Just cost too much money for a #2 CB.

TheReverend
02-18-2009, 06:56 AM
Broncos only really ever used that last season because they had the caproom available to do so.

Agreed. But if Bowlen is really tightening the waistband, he might throw in a $10 million incentive for 15 sacks for Carlton Powell or something absurd along those lines.

Beantown Bronco
02-18-2009, 07:02 AM
Agreed. But if Bowlen is really tightening the waistband, he might throw in a $10 million incentive for 15 sacks for Carlton Powell or something absurd along those lines.

Absurd? He'll have that by Thanksgiving.

HooptyHoops
02-18-2009, 07:48 AM
It would be nice if Powell became an All-Pro...actually, we need him to get to that level!!

barryr
02-18-2009, 08:22 AM
Bly gave up too many big plays, so his release was inevitable IMO.

montrose
02-18-2009, 08:31 AM
I personally believe Bly was underrated by a lot of people. Playing in the scheme he did with no pass-rush across from Bailey was suicide for most CB's and he held his own. He gave up plays at times and will never be a great tackler, but he was pretty damn solid.

With that, he wasn't going to be around long-term so they might be looking to get the next guy ready. Considering Champ is aging, the guy brought in will be under a lot of pressure as I wouldn't be surprised if he's locked in on the opposing team's speedier WR. Regardless, I expect that guy to be grilled just as Bly and D-Will were by fans because the standard Champ set is just so high.

socalorado
02-18-2009, 08:38 AM
I personally believe Bly was underrated by a lot of people. Playing in the scheme he did with no pass-rush across from Bailey was suicide for most CB's and he held his own. He gave up plays at times and will never be a great tackler, but he was pretty damn solid.

With that, he wasn't going to be around long-term so they might be looking to get the next guy ready. Considering Champ is aging, the guy brought in will be under a lot of pressure as I wouldn't be surprised if he's locked in on the opposing team's speedier WR. Regardless, I expect that guy to be grilled just as Bly and D-Will were by fans because the standard Champ set is just so high.

JACK MOFO WILLIAMS- "JUST WHAT THE **** IS THAT SUPPOSED TO MOTHER****IN MEAN?!?!?! WHO THE **** DO YOU ****IN THINK YOU ARE, TALKING BOUT SOME OTHER MOTHER****IN GUY!?!?!? HUH!!??!!? THIS MY HOUSE NOW, MOTHER****ER!!!! YOU GOT THAT!?!?!?
MY HOUSE!!!! MOTHER****ER!!!!!!"

Kaylore
02-18-2009, 08:42 AM
Regardless, I expect that guy to be grilled just as Bly and D-Will were by fans because the standard Champ set is just so high.
Yeah I think people get so used to Bailey's standard they start to think that's "average" and dog on everything that isn't that. Bly was in a bad spot. He's a not very phyiscal player with good ball instincts. He would make the probowl in a system with a physical front seven where he can gamble a lot. We were not a great fit for him. I wish him well.

gyldenlove
02-18-2009, 08:47 AM
The incentive bonuses is a good point. They will likely be able to "spend" several million in cap room with incentives that will never be realized. Good point.

We carried about 4.25 million over from last years cap. So our salary cap is about 127.5 million this year.

vancejohnson82
02-18-2009, 08:48 AM
JACK MOFO WILLIAMS- "JUST WHAT THE **** IS THAT SUPPOSED TO MOTHER****IN MEAN?!?!?! WHO THE **** DO YOU ****IN THINK YOU ARE, TALKING BOUT SOME OTHER MOTHER****IN GUY!?!?!? HUH!!??!!? THIS MY HOUSE NOW, MOTHER****ER!!!! YOU GOT THAT!?!?!?
MY HOUSE!!!! MOTHER****ER!!!!!!"

my thoughts exactly..

gyldenlove
02-18-2009, 08:48 AM
You think Dj will be cut? Or traded?

By restructuring he became a lot harder to trade or cut since he converted his bonus into signing bonus so it would count towards our cap if we move him. So he appears to be safe now.

montrose
02-18-2009, 09:13 AM
By restructuring he became a lot harder to trade or cut since he converted his bonus into signing bonus so it would count towards our cap if we move him. So he appears to be safe now.

He's not going anywhere because the staff wants him here. His restructure proves that. They could've let him play out this season and he would've been easy to let go but in a year when the Broncos have plenty of cap space, they went to the issue of redoing his deal which secures his long-term place here. This coming after our new GM made DJ's extension last summer his most noted move in his limited time here as an Assistant GM and our new HC has publicly endorsed him - something he hasn't done of any other defensive player including Champ.

DJ's not going anywhere because McDaniels, Nolan and Xanders know he's a guy who needs to be here. They see him as a very good football player.

Dagmar
02-18-2009, 09:45 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v662/Robota/angbig.gif

worm
02-18-2009, 09:50 AM
I guess this is the definition of bloodletting.

I am all for building a D strong up the middle first. We have gone about it backasswards for a long time.

Best NT, ILBs and SS they can afford. Fill in around the edges with players like Bell.

Mediator12
02-18-2009, 09:52 AM
I personally believe Bly was underrated by a lot of people. Playing in the scheme he did with no pass-rush across from Bailey was suicide for most CB's and he held his own. He gave up plays at times and will never be a great tackler, but he was pretty damn solid.

With that, he wasn't going to be around long-term so they might be looking to get the next guy ready. Considering Champ is aging, the guy brought in will be under a lot of pressure as I wouldn't be surprised if he's locked in on the opposing team's speedier WR. Regardless, I expect that guy to be grilled just as Bly and D-Will were by fans because the standard Champ set is just so high.

He was tremendously hammered by fans the same way I hammered Darrent Williams. I was unhappy with Darrent because he did not use the cushion he was given properly or read routes very well. In Hindsight, he was just a young player who was slower to learn than his talent. I was overly crucial on him. In Bly's case, he was used so poorly to what he can still do, the DL always allowed the QB the ability to step into throws and put the ball on time and on the money, and his coverage was above average. However, no CB can defend forever or perfect throws and that has made Champ look less "shutdown" the last 2 years as well.

Bailey went from allowing 4.7 yards per attempt from 2004-2006 to 9.1 YPA the last 2 years. Basically, he allowed almost double the amount of yardage and surrendered 20% more completion % the last 2 years. Bly got even more picked on than Champ and was exploited playing with the crap in front of him.

In the end, he was a good Player who was overpaid in the system he performed the last 2 years. He got his money and they simply let him go. It shows the fact that they are committed to playing a certain way though with the recent cuts. I like that. I think they have a real clear direction they want to go with the defense and he no longer fit at that price. Its about time they started to do this and I am happy they seem really committed on that side of the ball for a change.

Fedaykin
02-18-2009, 10:05 AM
I'm fine with this as long as it is followed up by investing heavily into the front 7.

Champ could cover #1 and #2 with a good front 7. ;)

Old Dude
02-18-2009, 10:17 AM
I think that Oskie's right. It was probably a matter of calling a bluff. If so, too bad. Bly wasn't a star by any means, but was at least an above average player - - one of the very few on the whole defense. We could have used him, for sure. Now it's yet another hole to fill.