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broncofan7
02-17-2009, 04:23 PM
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/feb/09/16-illegals-sue-arizona-rancher/

16 illegals sue Arizona rancher
Claim violation of rights as they crossed his land
Jerry Seper (Contact)
Monday, February 9, 2009

An Arizona man who has waged a 10-year campaign to stop a flood of illegal immigrants from crossing his property is being sued by 16 Mexican nationals who accuse him of conspiring to violate their civil rights when he stopped them at gunpoint on his ranch on the U.S.-Mexico border.

Roger Barnett, 64, began rounding up illegal immigrants in 1998 and turning them over to the U.S. Border Patrol, he said, after they destroyed his property, killed his calves and broke into his home.

His Cross Rail Ranch near Douglas, Ariz., is known by federal and county law enforcement authorities as "the avenue of choice" for immigrants seeking to enter the United States illegally.

Trial continues Monday in the federal lawsuit, which seeks $32 million in actual and punitive damages for civil rights violations, the infliction of emotional distress and other crimes. Also named are Mr. Barnett's wife, Barbara, his brother, Donald, and Larry Dever, sheriff in Cochise County, Ariz., where the Barnetts live. The civil trial is expected to continue until Friday.

The lawsuit is based on a March 7, 2004, incident in a dry wash on the 22,000-acre ranch, when he approached a group of illegal immigrants while carrying a gun and accompanied by a large dog.

Attorneys for the immigrants - five women and 11 men who were trying to cross illegally into the United States - have accused Mr. Barnett of holding the group captive at gunpoint, threatening to turn his dog loose on them and saying he would shoot anyone who tried to escape.
The immigrants are represented at trial by the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund (MALDEF), which also charged that Sheriff Dever did nothing to prevent Mr. Barnett from holding their clients at "gunpoint, yelling obscenities at them and kicking one of the women."

In the lawsuit, MALDEF said Mr. Barnett approached the group as the immigrants moved through his property, and that he was carrying a pistol and threatening them in English and Spanish. At one point, it said, Mr. Barnett's dog barked at several of the women and he yelled at them in Spanish, "My dog is hungry and he's hungry for buttocks." --CRY ME A ****ING RIVER!!!!!

The lawsuit said he then called his wife and two Border Patrol agents arrived at the site. It also said Mr. Barnett acknowledged that he had turned over 12,000 illegal immigrants to the Border Patrol since 1998.

In March, U.S. District Judge John Roll rejected a motion by Mr. Barnett to have the charges dropped, ruling there was sufficient evidence to allow the matter to be presented to a jury. Mr. Barnett's attorney, David Hardy, had argued that illegal immigrants did not have the same rights as U.S. citizens.

Mr. Barnett told The Washington Times in a 2002 interview that he began rounding up illegal immigrants after they started to vandalize his property, northeast of Douglas along Arizona Highway 80. He said the immigrants tore up water pumps, killed calves, destroyed fences and gates, stole trucks and broke into his home.
Some of his cattle died from ingesting the plastic bottles left behind by the immigrants, he said, adding that he installed a faucet on an 8,000-gallon water tank so the immigrants would stop damaging the tank to get water.

Mr. Barnett said some of the ranch´s established immigrant trails were littered with trash 10 inches deep, including human waste, used toilet paper, soiled diapers, cigarette packs, clothes, backpacks, empty 1-gallon water bottles, chewing-gum wrappers and aluminum foil - which supposedly is used to pack the drugs the immigrant smugglers give their "clients" to keep them running.

He said he carried a pistol during his searches for the immigrants and had a rifle in his truck "for protection" against immigrant and drug smugglers, who often are armed.


ASSOCIATED PRESS DEFENDANT: Roger Barnett said he had turned over 12,000 illegal immigrants to the Border Patrol since 1998.

A former Cochise County sheriff´s deputy who later was successful in the towing and propane business, Mr. Barnett spent $30,000 on electronic sensors, which he has hidden along established trails on his ranch. He searches the ranch for illegal immigrants in a pickup truck, dressed in a green shirt and camouflage hat, with his handgun and rifle, high-powered binoculars and a walkie-talkie.

His sprawling ranch became an illegal-immigration highway when the Border Patrol diverted its attention to several border towns in an effort to take control of the established ports of entry. That effort moved the illegal immigrants to the remote areas of the border, including the Cross Rail Ranch.

"This is my land. I´m the victim here," Mr. Barnett said. "When someone´s home and loved ones are in jeopardy and the government seemingly can´t do anything about it, I feel justified in taking matters into my own hands. And I always watch my back."


MALDEF--perpetrating fraud by using our own 'justice' system against law abiding Americans. Mr Barnett is having to perform the job that the Federal government has a DUTY to perform and is being tried for a violation of these ILLEGAL ALIENS civil rights for simply holding these people at gunpoint until the Federal authorities could take them away. This is no different than if someone were to break into my house, I hold them at gun point until the police arrive and then I am sued for holding that perpetrator at gun point. RIDICULOUS!!!!My blood is boiling

Here is a link that provides more background and pictures etc

http://www.desertinvasion.us/invasion_pictures/invasion_barnett.html

SoDak Bronco
02-17-2009, 04:27 PM
Wow, waisting tax-payer dollars taking this guy to court. Gimme a freaking break. Ship back to Mexico and be done w/it.

skpac1001
02-17-2009, 04:33 PM
I must be missing the part where he violated their rights. Looks like he stopped them from committing a crime, called the authorities and then made conversation with them regarding his dog and its desire for its favorite snack. Where is the problem?

STBumpkin
02-17-2009, 04:35 PM
This is a rediculous travisty. At least as a civil suit, the illegals have to pay the court costs.

BroncoMan4ever
02-17-2009, 04:35 PM
send them back forget the lawsuit and be done with them.

what is their lawsuit going to be? "he caught us trespassing on his land and wouldn't let us come illegally into america"

this guy should be commended not be about to be sued.

Killericon
02-17-2009, 04:54 PM
and saying he would shoot anyone who tried to escape

Mr. Barnett's attorney, David Hardy, had argued that illegal immigrants did not have the same rights as U.S. citizens.

I feel no sympathy for this man, nor would I feel outrage if these guys took every penny he has. I should hope that they would be promptly arrested and deported, but still.

Illegal immigration is a complex, multi-faceted issue that requires compromise from all sides. However, I don't have to be on either side of the argument to recognize a law-breaking asshole like this guy when I see one.

broncofan7
02-17-2009, 04:56 PM
Look at this ****:

http://deletetheborder.org/node/940

broncofan7
02-17-2009, 04:57 PM
I feel no sympathy for this man, nor would I feel outrage if these guys took every penny he has. I should hope that they would be promptly arrested and deported, but still.

Illegal immigration is a complex, multi-faceted issue that requires compromise from all sides. However, I don't have to be on either side of the argument to recognize a law-breaking a-hole like this guy when I see one.

Are you retarted?

Florida_Bronco
02-17-2009, 04:59 PM
Are you retarted?

He sure had me scratching my head on that one.

broncofan7
02-17-2009, 05:00 PM
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2009/02/17/20090217border-confrontation0217-ON.html

Jury rules rancher didn't violate migrants' rights
29 commentsby Arthur H. Rotstein - Feb. 17, 2009 05:35 PM
Associated Press
TUCSON — A federal jury found Tuesday that a southern Arizona rancher didn't violate the civil rights of a group of illegal immigrants who claimed that he detained them at gunpoint in 2004.

The eight-member civil jury also found Roger Barnett wasn't liable on claims of battery and false imprisonment.

But the jury did find him liable on four claims of assault and four claims of infliction of emotional distress and ordered Barnett to pay $77,804 in damages — $60,000 of which were punitive. WTF???
Barnett declined to comment afterward, but one of his attorneys, David Hardy, said the plaintiffs lost on the bulk of their claims and that Barnett has a good basis for appeal on the two counts on which he lost.

“They won a fraction of the damages they were seeking,” Hardy said.

All six plaintiffs are citizens of Mexico, five of whom are living in the United States with visa applications pending, and the sixth resides in Mexico but was allowed into the U.S. for the trial, said Nina Perales, an attorney with the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund. She declined to say where in the U.S. they're residing.

Perales called the outcome “a resounding victory that sends a message that vigilante violence against immigrants will not be tolerated.”--NO 'ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS' --not immigrants--TRESSPASSING ON HIS PROPERTY

David Urias, attorney for the plaintiffs, said, “Obviously we are disappointed with some aspects of the verdict. But I think that overall this was a victory for the plaintiffs.”

For years, Arizona has been the busiest point along the Mexican border for illegal immigrants entering the United States.

For more than a decade, Barnett has been a controversial figure in southern Arizona. He's known for aggressively patrolling his ranch property and along highways and roads in the area, often with his wife and brothers, on the lookout for illegal immigrants.

The plaintiffs alleged that Barnett threatened them with his dog and told them he would shoot anyone who tried to escape.

Barnett's lawyers argued that his land was inundated with illegal immigrants who left trash on his property, damaged his water supply and harmed his cattle.

Barnett's wife and a brother were dismissed as defendants; in addition, another 10 people initially named as plaintiffs were dropped from the proceedings.

Barnett has been known to wear a holstered 9-mm pistol on his hip and upon coming across groups of migrants, to flash a blue and gold badge resembling that of the highway patrol, with the wording “Barnett Ranch Patrol. Cochise County. State of Arizona.”--now that is GAY.

The Barnetts detain and turn over those whom they encounter to the U.S. Border Patrol.EXACTLY!!! In 2006, Barnett estimated that he had detained more than 10,000 illegal immigrants in 10 years.

His actions have resulted in formal complaints from the Mexican government against what it considers vigilante actions, and in several other lawsuits, including one stemming from an October 2004 incident.

In that case, a jury awarded a family of Mexican-Americans on a hunting trip $100,000 in damages, later upheld by the Arizona Supreme Court.

Barnett's 22,000-acre ranch, about five miles north of the Mexican border, includes private and federal lease holdings in addition to nearly 14,000 acres of state-leased land

broncofan7
02-17-2009, 05:01 PM
I feel no sympathy for this man, nor would I feel outrage if these guys took every penny he has. I should hope that they would be promptly arrested and deported, but still.

Illegal immigration is a complex, multi-faceted issue that requires compromise from all sides. However, I don't have to be on either side of the argument to recognize a law-breaking a-hole like this guy when I see one.

ILLEGAL immigration requires compromise? Great googly moogly.

broncofan7
02-17-2009, 05:05 PM
I should change the headline of the thread to MALDEF attempts to extort an American citizen out of $32 million.

ohiobronco2
02-17-2009, 05:05 PM
Quick cure all. Next time, bury em on his land. ;D

zdoor
02-17-2009, 05:11 PM
Typical Bull**** that our legal system has disintegrated to. I have been sued 3 times and every time it was bogus and we ended up having to settle because the cost of defense was far greater than the cost of settling. Unfortunately this type of crap happens far too often...

Spider
02-17-2009, 05:58 PM
If i was the Judge in this case , not only would I award the money to the real victim , the rancher , I would deport these azzholes so fast the only thing beating them back ot the boarder would be the headlights on the patty wagon hauling their sorry asses .......... Judge is a ****ing prick for letting this trail go on this long ...........

Spider
02-17-2009, 06:00 PM
And before anyone gets all twitterpated , I am not anti immigration , believe everyone should try and better themselfs , I hold nothing against the mexicans coming over here , but the Rancher has a right to protect his property

GreatBronco16
02-17-2009, 06:15 PM
Please tell me this is some kind of sick joke???

Wow, so illegal immagrants have more rights than Americans? So all this fighting for our fredoms is for nothing then. Geez.

ZONA
02-17-2009, 06:18 PM
Illegal Immigration is not complicated. If you don't have the right to be in this country, cross the border at your own risk. I don't think land owners can murder trespassers but damn well right you should be able to escort them off your property, even at gun point.

But if you ask me, he's stupid. He's doing it the hard way. On the military channel I saw a new technique they are using for intrusion alerts. They have thin trip wires attached to ear piercing sound devices that are so loud they can literally cause you to pass out. They are cheap also so a rancher could set them all across their property border. It's almost impossible to detect where the sound is coming from and causes intruders to flee away.

Or you could just get yourself about 100 Queensland Healers (depending on much area you need to cover) and let them run free. They won't kill the cattle but they certainly would scare off intruders, and they can handle that Arizona climate just fine.

http://go3003.k12.sd.us/BlueHealer.jpg

Killericon
02-17-2009, 06:23 PM
ILLEGAL immigration requires compromise? Great googly moogly.

Well, yeah. You can't just arrest/export anywhere from 7 to 20 million people. That would be absurd.

I should make note here, I'm Canadian, so this debate is purely academic for me. Sure, illegal immigrants suing a citizen is a travesty, but my problem with it certainly isn't that I think the rancher was doing the right thing. Defending your property is one thing, vigilantism is another. That was my point.

Proceed to lampoon and roast me and my malformed opinions...I'm gonna stay out of this thread after this to try and stop the bleeding. :angel:

Dukes
02-17-2009, 06:28 PM
If i was the Judge in this case , not only would I award the money to the real victim , the rancher , I would deport these azzholes so fast the only thing beating them back ot the boarder would be the headlights on the patty wagon hauling their sorry asses .......... Judge is a ****ing prick for letting this trail go on this long ...........

Someone should slap the **** out of the Judge for allowing this to be brought to court in the first place. He should have laughed at the attorney of those border jumpers.

broncofan7
02-17-2009, 06:32 PM
Well, yeah. You can't just arrest/export anywhere from 7 to 20 million people. That would be absurd.

I should make note here, I'm Canadian, so this debate is purely academic for me. Sure, illegal immigrants suing a citizen is a travesty, but my problem with it certainly isn't that I think the rancher was doing the right thing. Defending your property is one thing, vigilantism is another. That was my point.

Proceed to lampoon and roast me and my malformed opinions...I'm gonna stay out of this thread after this to try and stop the bleeding. :angel:

How is holding a group of intruders onto one's property until the authorities can wisk them away a method/mode of vigilantism? If he was murdering them then I could agree with you, but this is no different than my earlier example of someone making an incursion into my house and me holding that person at gun point until the police arrived.

MALDEF needs to be investigated by every state bar that they operate in--this was no more than extortion.

http://www.maldef.org/

Here is an example of MALDEF holding the State of TX hostage

COURT DENIES TEXAS EDUCATION AGENCY’S EFFORTS TO STALL STUDENTS' RIGHTS TO EQUAL EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES

December 19, 2008

AUSTIN, TX – Earlier today, a federal district court denied the Texas Education Agency’s (TEA) request to put on hold the court’s order that requires TEA to remedy its language programs for English Language Learner (ELL) children across Texas in the long-standing case, US v. Texas. The Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund (MALDEF) and the Multicultural Education, Training and Advocacy, Inc. (META), on behalf of LULAC and the GI Forum, hotly contested TEA’s Motion to Stay Proceedings Pending Appeal filed just weeks ago and urged the Court to hold TEA to the current deadline of January 31, 2009.


“It is very sad to see TEA attempt to shirk its responsibilities and further delay opportunities for ELL children to learn the English language,” said co-lead counsel David Hinojosa of MALDEF. “Fortunately, the Court recognized the urgency of the matter and is intent on holding TEA’s feet to the fire.” According to Roger Rice, counsel from META, the Court stated: 'The time has come to put a halt to the failed secondary ESL program and monitoring system.' Rice added, 'Instead of playing legal games, TEA should be sitting down and fixing its program. If not now, when?'


On July 24, 2008, U.S. District Judge William Wayne Justice issued the most comprehensive legal decision concerning the civil rights of ELL students in the last 25 years, finding that Texas was failing to overcome language barriers for tens of thousands of Latino students in secondary programs. While the Court noted that there was some success for students in the state’s K-6 bilingual education program, the record at the secondary level was one of dismal failure. Accordingly, the Court ordered TEA to submit a plan to the Court no later than January 31, 2009 that would improve the State’s programs for ELL secondary students and revamp its statewide monitoring system.


In its present motion, TEA had asked the Court to delay the injunction pending its appeal to the Fifth Circuit on the grounds that it could not meet the deadline because of a lack of funding and resources. However, the Court rejected that argument finding the agency’s arguments without merit.

The Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals has yet to issue a briefing scheduling on TEA’s appeal.


Founded in 1968, MALDEF, the nation’s leading Latino legal civil rights organization, promotes and protects the rights of Latinos through litigation, advocacy, community education and outreach, leadership development, and higher education scholarships. For more information on MALDEF, please visit: www.maldef.org.



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Basically, our FREE STATE RUN EDUCATION SYSTEM is having to take the extra step of teaching the children of people who should not legally be here not just reading, writing and arithmetic--but they are tasked with teaching those many illegals the basics of communication within that FREE school system. Teaching the 3R's of education is dificult enough with those who come from english speaking households--this makes that task that much more dificult. But it's the TEA's fault --SIGH--not the fact that our educational system was founded with the understanding that certain BASICS would be taught in the home prior to arrival on campus.

Spider
02-17-2009, 06:35 PM
Someone should slap the **** out of the Judge for allowing this to be brought to court in the first place. He should have laughed at the attorney of those border jumpers.

yeah I cant figure this one out ........ these 16 people should have no case

cutthemdown
02-17-2009, 06:40 PM
Talked to a couple attorneys at the office about this today. One was joking that these ranchers better off saying they were shot at and just shooting at the illegals and forcing them to flee back to Mexico.

Just say I was in fear for my life a lot, say they took shots at you first.

Archer81
02-17-2009, 06:55 PM
I feel no sympathy for this man, nor would I feel outrage if these guys took every penny he has. I should hope that they would be promptly arrested and deported, but still.

Illegal immigration is a complex, multi-faceted issue that requires compromise from all sides. However, I don't have to be on either side of the argument to recognize a law-breaking a-hole like this guy when I see one.


Its not complicated for Mexico. Their immigration policy is much harsher than ours. This man is protecting his property in his country, the fault is with the illegals who decided to cross illegally.


:Broncos:

DBroncos4life
02-17-2009, 08:41 PM
I feel no sympathy for this man, nor would I feel outrage if these guys took every penny he has. I should hope that they would be promptly arrested and deported, but still.

Illegal immigration is a complex, multi-faceted issue that requires compromise from all sides. However, I don't have to be on either side of the argument to recognize a law-breaking a-hole like this guy when I see one.

A waste of money that it appears that the government doesn't have to spend but whatever. They crossed into the US on the wrong mans land.

Garcia Bronco
02-17-2009, 08:50 PM
This case will end up getting dismissed.

epicSocialism4tw
02-17-2009, 10:43 PM
Yeah. That's pretty frustrating. That man has to be sick.

This isnt about those people being harmed, its about those lawyers strategically targeting this guy to get his ranch opened back up. If he has caught that many people going through, then this is a well-known illegal thoroughfare.

He's in a catch 22. Cant sell the ranch and get out because there's a freakin' trail filled with trash running through it and it has a history, and you cant get the people off of the land. Its time for him to sue the state or the federal govt.

TailgateNut
02-18-2009, 06:27 AM
I feel no sympathy for this man, nor would I feel outrage if these guys took every penny he has. I should hope that they would be promptly arrested and deported, but still.

Illegal immigration is a complex, multi-faceted issue that requires compromise from all sides. However, I don't have to be on either side of the argument to recognize a law-breaking a-hole like this guy when I see one.

**** That! Tresspass on my property and be ready to face the wrath.

A hero in plain clothes.

TailgateNut
02-18-2009, 06:28 AM
Quick cure all. Next time, bury em on his land. ;D


Free fertilizer, IMO!

TailgateNut
02-18-2009, 06:32 AM
Well, yeah. You can't just arrest/export anywhere from 7 to 20 million people. That would be absurd.

I should make note here, I'm Canadian, so this debate is purely academic for me. Sure, illegal immigrants suing a citizen is a travesty, but my problem with it certainly isn't that I think the rancher was doing the right thing. Defending your property is one thing, vigilantism is another. That was my point.

Proceed to lampoon and roast me and my malformed opinions...I'm gonna stay out of this thread after this to try and stop the bleeding. :angel:


Everyone has a right to ones' opinion, but give me a damn break with the "bleeding heart BS".
They broke the law by sneaking into this country while other sit an wait for the legal routes, then to top it off they tresspass on private property, and then add to the audacity of their actions by attempting to sue this guy, which will cost taxpayer dollars to bring to trial.

**** them. They can go to hell, or back to Mexico, whichever is closer.

Beantown Bronco
02-18-2009, 06:39 AM
This case will end up getting dismissed.

I think you missed broncofan7's post on the first page. It already went to full jury trial. Split verdict. Soon to be in appeal.

Meck77
02-18-2009, 06:40 AM
Wow some of these comments on this thread amaze me. It's no wonder why Property Rights in America are a thing of the past.

Garcia Bronco
02-18-2009, 06:48 AM
I think you missed broncofan7's post on the first page. It already went to full jury trial. Split verdict. Soon to be in appeal.

I did. This judge needs to be "removed"

TailgateNut
02-18-2009, 06:53 AM
Wow some of these comments on this thread amaze me. It's no wonder why Property Rights in America are a thing of the past.


Put this guy in charge of Border Patrol and security, and "give him the key to the gates".

socalorado
02-18-2009, 06:55 AM
I did. This judge needs to be "removed"

"Regulators! Lets mount up!"

TailgateNut
02-18-2009, 06:59 AM
"Regulators! Lets mount up!"

I'd be willing to volunteer a week or two a year to hunt along the border, and I don't usually hunt. I'm a Fisherman.:wiggle: