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broncofan7
02-16-2009, 11:00 AM
Ok all of you Gun fanatics--I could use your help. I am wanting to purchase two handguns/revolvers one for me and one for my wife. Ideally, I am looking for a higher end name brand gun manufacturer with a proven track record on safety and performance. I would like to get each one fitted with a laser grip/sight such as the one pictured below. This gun will be used for general protection in my home. Should I go with a 9mm or a .22? I truly am a novice when it comes to guns and besides firing an M16 in USAF basic training 11 years ago, I have no experience with weapons.Any help that you all could lend or any websites that you feel would be helpful would be greatly appreciated. Gracias!

Broncos_OTM
02-16-2009, 11:08 AM
I like the 41 caliber.


http://www.hk-usa.com/

http://www.colt.com/

http://www.sigsauer.com/


This is a great site.

http://gunbroker.com/

Remember folks guns can be used agaisnt you if you have them. and if you lock them up. it might be to slow to remove the lock.

I highly suggest Mace.

cutthemdown
02-16-2009, 11:11 AM
Get a shotgun. What good is home defense when bullet goes through the wall and hits someone in the next room.

I have 2 handguns and a shotgun. If someone came in my home I know what I would be grabbing.

cutthemdown
02-16-2009, 11:13 AM
I like the 41 caliber.


http://www.hk-usa.com/

http://www.colt.com/

http://www.sigsauer.com/


This is a great site.

http://gunbroker.com/

Remember folks guns can be used agaisnt you if you have them. and if you lock them up. it might be to slow to remove the lock.

I highly suggest Mace.


Yep not to mention in a situation like that you have to react fast. People often don't aim when they get scared and instead start firing rounds into the walls. There is a reason police and military train to do that stuff.

TailgateNut
02-16-2009, 11:15 AM
For home defense, chose a Bayonette. It doesn't disturb the neighbors and you don't have to reload.

Broncos_OTM
02-16-2009, 11:16 AM
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Yep not to mention in a situation like that you have to react fast. People often don't aim when they get scared and instead start firing rounds into the walls. There is a reason police and military train to do that stuff.

Man i cant recall where i seen it. but there was a show on the special forces and how they put a hood over a soldiers head and change the situation from time to time to see how they react. and score them accordinly. crazy stuff.

Broncos_OTM
02-16-2009, 11:18 AM
LOL i tottally missed where you were from. Imagine that texans owning more guns.

Has the make my day law changed down there. i would also highly suggest looking into the laws of your state and local agencies to make sure if you did shot a guy what would happen

jhat01
02-16-2009, 11:18 AM
Here's what I use: Make sure you and the wife take some kind of formal class before you buy one for defense. Different states req different classes.

SIG 220 .45

broncofan7
02-16-2009, 11:22 AM
For home defense, chose a Bayonette. It doesn't disturb the neighbors and you don't have to reload.

I have a few machettes but that's all --I think it to be wise to buy a few guns. I appreciate everyone's input.

TailgateNut
02-16-2009, 11:23 AM
staying on topic, but just for "****s and grins", when was the last time any of you actually used, or had to brandish a firearm against another human being?

Rohirrim
02-16-2009, 11:23 AM
Get a revolver. They don't jam. I've got a Ruger Blackhawk .357 with the long barrel. Even if I don't hit 'em, the noise will scare the **** out of them. ;D

jhat01
02-16-2009, 11:23 AM
Never brandished or had to draw in the US.

broncofan7
02-16-2009, 11:24 AM
LOL i tottally missed where you were from. Imagine that texans owning more guns.

Has the make my day law changed down there. i would also highly suggest looking into the laws of your state and local agencies to make sure if you did shot a guy what would happen

We have something called the 'castle doctrine' down here which allows one to shoot an intruder if they enter your premises. Hopefully I never have to use it, but I'd rather have a gun than not. and I am a transplant as are most of us in Frisco(lots of Californians and New Yorkers here)

TailgateNut
02-16-2009, 11:25 AM
I have a few machettes but that's all --I think it to be wise to buy a few guns. I appreciate everyone's input.

A few guns?

I own a rifle and a shotgun, and it's been many years since I've discharged either of them.

broncofan7
02-16-2009, 11:25 AM
Here's what I use: Make sure you and the wife take some kind of formal class before you buy one for defense. Different states req different classes.

SIG 220 .45

Apparently we can purchase a gun with only an FBI background check--now to get a CHL that requires a 10 hours course and some other things I believe. I appreciate your insight.

jhat01
02-16-2009, 11:28 AM
Apparently we can purchase a gun with only an FBI background check--now to get a CHL that requires a 10 hours course and some other things I believe. I appreciate your insight.

Are you thinking about carrying it, or just for home defense?

broncofan7
02-16-2009, 11:30 AM
Are you thinking about carrying it, or just for home defense?

Just home defense--but in looking at google, I continued to come across many of these CHL courses that people have been offerring. There was so much info on google, I figured it would be best to come here and to see what the OM gun experts own and sort it out from there. I appreciate everyone's help.

deputyorange
02-16-2009, 11:38 AM
My advice would be to get a couple of Glocks. Get some training, and use the money you save on the price difference between a Glock and say a Sig or 1911 and buy ammo. Then practice. As far as the laws if you have to shoot someone, if you really have to, I don't think it will matter. Better to be judged by twelve then carried by six, right?

Florida_Bronco
02-16-2009, 11:38 AM
I'd stay away from those Smith & Wesson M&P series. I've shot them and they suck. A couple police departments down here switched to them and many of the officers aren't happy with them either.

As far as which brand to get, it's hard to go wrong with Glock, Springfield, Heckler & Koch and Sig Sauer. That Sig P220 that JHat posted is one of my absolute favorite pistols. I own a Glock 21 and I'm very happy with it. It's an excellent weapon for home defense provided your hands are big enough for it (it's a very large service pistol).

Glocks, Sigs, H&K and the Springfield XD series all come in various sizes and calibers, so you should be able to find one to suit you. The Glocks and Springfield XD's can usually be had for under $600, while the rest cost a bit more.

Using a shotgun as some have suggested is certainly an idea to consider, but I don't like the drawbacks of having such a large weapon when I'm checking hallways and so forth. I do have a friend though, who has a 12 gauge Mossberg 590. He removed the regular stock and replaced it with a pistol grip, so that might be a nice compromise.

The laser sight is a good idea. I'd also recommend a tactical light that mounts under the barrel, like a Surefire. There are some out there that have the laser/light combo. Both will come in handy in a home defense situation.

Now as far as far as which caliber to choose, I suggest you get the largest caliber you could reasonably handle. The .22 idea should be completely scrubbed. That's a "plinker" round, not a self defense round. My personal choice would be a .45 ACP, reason being that it's a big and slow bullet, so if you shoot an intruder you don't really have to worry about the bullet going through him, through the wall and into your son/daughter/wife sleeping in the next room.

Good luck. Let me know if you have any more questions.

http://www.glock.com/

Heckler & Koch USP series (http://www.hk-usa.com/usp_general.html)

Sig Sauer (http://www.sigsauer.com/Products/ShowCatalogCategory.aspx?categoryid=1)

Springfield XD series (http://www.springfield-armory.com/xd.php)

WyoLaw
02-16-2009, 11:40 AM
It's pretty hard to beat my Kimber 45 Auto. It's one bad handgun.

deputyorange
02-16-2009, 11:43 AM
The kimber is a beautiful gun. Do you have a model with the rail. I've been looking at a desert warrior for a while now.

Broncochica
02-16-2009, 11:44 AM
Glock .45
I've shot this one not too bad. Also for home defense. :thumbsup:


<a href="http://photobucket.com/images/glock%2045" target="_blank"><img src="http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/rr61/maximbeaware/45gap8le.jpg" border="0" alt="glock 45 Pictures, Images and Photos"/></a>

skpac1001
02-16-2009, 11:45 AM
Get a shotgun. What good is home defense when bullet goes through the wall and hits someone in the next room.

I have 2 handguns and a shotgun. If someone came in my home I know what I would be grabbing.

I can't imagine a more powerful deterrent then hearing a shotgun get racked. That and a loud, fairly big dog will stop most criminals before they get started.

Florida_Bronco
02-16-2009, 11:47 AM
It's pretty hard to beat my Kimber 45 Auto. It's one bad handgun.

I can beat a Kimber, with a much more reliable 1911 like a Para-Ordinance which by the way can be purchased in high capacity. :)

Kimber has some good products, but their quality record is far too spotty for insane amounts of money they cost. There are better (and cheaper) 1911s out there.

Also, for someone who is new to handguns I wouldn't recommend them start out with a 1911. They are much more complicated to field strip then a Glock or Springfield, and took alot more practice to become proficient with versus a Glock, Sig, H&K or Springfield.

Now if you're an experienced shooter, a 1911 is an excellent choice.

deputyorange
02-16-2009, 11:53 AM
How about a pistol caliber carbine? Low recoil for the novice shooter, and more accurate then a handgun. Also short and lightweight, and with proper ammo will not over-penetrate.

broncofan7
02-16-2009, 11:53 AM
I'd stay away from those Smith & Wesson M&P series. I've shot them and they suck. A couple police departments down here switched to them and many of the officers aren't happy with them either.

As far as which brand to get, it's hard to go wrong with Glock, Springfield, Heckler & Koch and Sig Sauer. That Sig P220 that JHat posted is one of my absolute favorite pistols. I own a Glock 21 and I'm very happy with it. It's an excellent weapon for home defense provided your hands are big enough for it (it's a very large service pistol).

Glocks, Sigs, H&K and the Springfield XD series all come in various sizes and calibers, so you should be able to find one to suit you. The Glocks and Springfield XD's can usually be had for under $600, while the rest cost a bit more.

Using a shotgun as some have suggested is certainly an idea to consider, but I don't like the drawbacks of having such a large weapon when I'm checking hallways and so forth. I do have a friend though, who has a 12 gauge Mossberg 590. He removed the regular stock and replaced it with a pistol grip, so that might be a nice compromise.

The laser sight is a good idea. I'd also recommend a tactical light that mounts under the barrel, like a Surefire. There are some out there that have the laser/light combo. Both will come in handy in a home defense situation.

Now as far as far as which caliber to choose, I suggest you get the largest caliber you could reasonably handle. The .22 idea should be completely scrubbed. That's a "plinker" round, not a self defense round. My personal choice would be a .45 ACP, reason being that it's a big and slow bullet, so if you shoot an intruder you don't really have to worry about the bullet going through him, through the wall and into your son/daughter/wife sleeping in the next room.

Good luck. Let me know if you have any more questions.

http://www.glock.com/

Heckler & Koch USP series (http://www.hk-usa.com/usp_general.html)

Sig Sauer (http://www.sigsauer.com/Products/ShowCatalogCategory.aspx?categoryid=1)

Springfield XD series (http://www.springfield-armory.com/xd.php)

Excellent! thank you and everyone else that posted

WyoLaw
02-16-2009, 11:57 AM
I can beat a Kimber, with a much more reliable 1911 like a Para-Ordinance which by the way can be purchased in high capacity. :)

Kimber has some good products, but their quality record is far too spotty for insane amounts of money they cost. There are better (and cheaper) 1911s out there.

Also, for someone who is new to handguns I wouldn't recommend them start out with a 1911. They are much more complicated to field strip then a Glock or Springfield, and took alot more practice to become proficient with versus a Glock, Sig, H&K or Springfield.
Now if you're an experienced shooter, a 1911 is an excellent choice.

I have to agree with you, they are super complicated to field strip, and should not be undertaken unless one understands the complexity. I've had my Kimber for 2 years and absolutely love it. They are spendy, but I feel the quality is very high.

Kimber (http://www.kimberamerica.com/)

bap454
02-16-2009, 12:03 PM
I'd stay away from those Smith & Wesson M&P series. I've shot them and they suck. A couple police departments down here switched to them and many of the officers aren't happy with them either.

As far as which brand to get, it's hard to go wrong with Glock, Springfield, Heckler & Koch and Sig Sauer. That Sig P220 that JHat posted is one of my absolute favorite pistols. I own a Glock 21 and I'm very happy with it. It's an excellent weapon for home defense provided your hands are big enough for it (it's a very large service pistol).

Glocks, Sigs, H&K and the Springfield XD series all come in various sizes and calibers, so you should be able to find one to suit you. The Glocks and Springfield XD's can usually be had for under $600, while the rest cost a bit more.

Using a shotgun as some have suggested is certainly an idea to consider, but I don't like the drawbacks of having such a large weapon when I'm checking hallways and so forth. I do have a friend though, who has a 12 gauge Mossberg 590. He removed the regular stock and replaced it with a pistol grip, so that might be a nice compromise.

The laser sight is a good idea. I'd also recommend a tactical light that mounts under the barrel, like a Surefire. There are some out there that have the laser/light combo. Both will come in handy in a home defense situation.

Now as far as far as which caliber to choose, I suggest you get the largest caliber you could reasonably handle. The .22 idea should be completely scrubbed. That's a "plinker" round, not a self defense round. My personal choice would be a .45 ACP, reason being that it's a big and slow bullet, so if you shoot an intruder you don't really have to worry about the bullet going through him, through the wall and into your son/daughter/wife sleeping in the next room.

Good luck. Let me know if you have any more questions.

http://www.glock.com/

Heckler & Koch USP series (http://www.hk-usa.com/usp_general.html)

Sig Sauer (http://www.sigsauer.com/Products/ShowCatalogCategory.aspx?categoryid=1)

Springfield XD series (http://www.springfield-armory.com/xd.php)



http://www.the-m-factor.com/

I just bought the .40 cal two tone Springfield XDM. Absolutely just love it. Was actually out target shooting yesterday. Tight grouping and just feels like a quality gun. Would buy again.

Broncos_OTM
02-16-2009, 12:10 PM
staying on topic, but just for "****s and grins", when was the last time any of you actually used, or had to brandish a firearm against another human being?
A gun never. A pair of brass knuckles, countless.

Bronx33
02-16-2009, 12:25 PM
Iam selling this sweet ruger mk 2 with a burris 6x18 coyote wacker just Pm me and it's yours.


http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/5747/rugermark2bv2.jpg

Broncos_OTM
02-16-2009, 12:26 PM
My advice would be to get a couple of Glocks. Get some training, and use the money you save on the price difference between a Glock and say a Sig or 1911 and buy ammo. Then practice. As far as the laws if you have to shoot someone, if you really have to, I don't think it will matter. Better to be judged by twelve then carried by six, right?i always loved the saying 12 jurors, 1 judge and a 1/2 assed lawyer

Dudeskey
02-16-2009, 12:30 PM
lol, gun ownership is cool, but I couldn't help myself...™

Beantown Bronco
02-16-2009, 01:32 PM
That and a loud, fairly big dog will stop most criminals before they get started.

I leave the grunt work to my English Mastiff. Strangers can't get near any doors or windows without her alerting the neighborhood. And she's a lot better around my little ones than any of the guns listed here, so that helps.

~Crash~
02-16-2009, 01:49 PM
I can't imagine a more powerful deterrent then hearing a shotgun get racked. That and a loud, fairly big dog will stop most criminals before they get started.

If I were criminals and I were to hear a shotgun shell getting pumped in the barrle I would knock down doors all the way out side....Hilarious!

TailgateNut
02-16-2009, 01:55 PM
I leave the grunt work to my English Mastiff. Strangers can't get near any doors or windows without her alerting the neighborhood. And she's a lot better around my little ones than any of the guns listed here, so that helps.


Here' s what I should post on my fence, and I have a German Shepherd and a Shepherd/Rottie mix.

SureShot
02-16-2009, 01:56 PM
I'm looking for a .40 cal Browning High Power in Mark III or a Practical.

El Guapo
02-16-2009, 01:57 PM
Sig P226. I love mine.

broncofan7
02-16-2009, 02:46 PM
Ok--I think I have decided on the Sig Sauer p226 for my needs--anyone have any reasons as to why it would not be a good weapon for in home protection use?

http://www.sigsauer.com/Products/ShowCatalogProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=7&productid=192

Florida_Bronco
02-16-2009, 02:58 PM
Ok--I think I have decided on the Sig Sauer p226 for my needs--anyone have any reasons as to why it would not be a good weapon for in home protection use?

http://www.sigsauer.com/Products/ShowCatalogProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=7&productid=192

The P226 is a great gun. If you're going to be using this for home defense, stick with the 40 cal version. The 9mm is merely adequate and the 357 SIG round is going to cause over penetration problems.

The only drawback I could see would be cost, but if the gun is a good "fit" for you then it's money well. spent.

Fusionfrontman
02-16-2009, 04:00 PM
Yeah, go with a shotgun. I agree with the notion that pumping the shell into the barrel is more affective, and less likely you will have to use it, than pointing a handgun when the invader is in sight. Sometimes by then it may be too late.
Let them know you're packing before they even see the white's of your eyes

deputyorange
02-16-2009, 04:29 PM
I have a Sig p226R. Absolutely love it. I traded a Glock 22 in for it, and I shot better from the get go with the Sig. Accurate and reliable. I've never had a malfunction, and I shoot a lot.

MOCRUSH
02-16-2009, 05:28 PM
Never trusted the 9mm after sitting second chair on an attempted murder trial 15 years ago where the victim had been hit by 9 of 13 rounds fired through her car window from less than 5 feet away...attempted murder.

1911 .45, John M. Browning's gift that keeps on giving. Dan Wesson Valor is hard to beat for the price.

cutthemdown
02-16-2009, 05:34 PM
staying on topic, but just for "****s and grins", when was the last time any of you actually used, or had to brandish a firearm against another human being?

I only grabbed my guns one time and that was during the riots. No one came around though and there was no need.

Other then that the best defense is to avoid all situations you may need a gun. I have no desire to shoot someone and even if someone came into my house if I could escape away without a gunfight I would. Pulling a gun on someone IMO is last case scenario because when that happens the chances of you dying go way up.

I would do it if I had to but man I don't want to. Hide, run, I would do both those things before I would confront. And I have some guns and I'm pretty decent with them, it's just that I don't want to be shot. There is nothing in my home so valuable I need to get into a gunfight over it.

Guns are nice to have but I wouldn't want to have to use them.

cutthemdown
02-16-2009, 05:35 PM
Ok--I think I have decided on the Sig Sauer p226 for my needs--anyone have any reasons as to why it would not be a good weapon for in home protection use?

http://www.sigsauer.com/Products/ShowCatalogProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=7&productid=192

besides it will go through walls and a shotgun is easier to hit people with, no go ahead Sig makes a great firearm.

cutthemdown
02-16-2009, 05:37 PM
If I were criminals and I were to hear a shotgun shell getting pumped in the barrle I would knock down doors all the way out side....Hilarious!

Yep I really believe shotgun best thing for the avg homeowner to use for self defense.

Donk
02-16-2009, 05:37 PM
Get a shotgun. What good is home defense when bullet goes through the wall and hits someone in the next room.

I have 2 handguns and a shotgun. If someone came in my home I know what I would be grabbing.

Great choice! Is there a intruder alive who would not run for his life when he hears you pump a round into the chamber?

It is harder for a child to shoot him-self with a shotgun

Florida_Bronco
02-16-2009, 05:49 PM
besides it will go through walls and a shotgun is easier to hit people with, no go ahead Sig makes a great firearm.

If he stays away from the 357 SIG and uses a heavy hollowpoint, that bullet is not going to be penetrating walls.

Also, this notion of racking a shotgun to scare an intruder away is pretty much a myth. I can only think of a few situations where that would actually work.

Spider
02-16-2009, 05:52 PM
got a friend that breeds pit bulls with Chow .. ****ing dogs are so mean they try to eat themselfs ....... best home defense in the world ......Mikes dog will actually let you in the house before you know he is there .. them Bam that dog got you .......

cutthemdown
02-16-2009, 05:56 PM
If he stays away from the 357 SIG and uses a heavy hollowpoint, that bullet is not going to be penetrating walls.

Also, this notion of racking a shotgun to scare an intruder away is pretty much a myth. I can only think of a few situations where that would actually work.

I didn't say anything about using the rack sound. IMO once you pull a gun out you should be ready to shoot not just try and scare guy away. If you can you should actually go hide and call police. Defend yourself as a last resort.

Also one reason I say the shotgun is just because I know a lot of really good cops and they all suggest shotgun for home defense.

Now if you want to use a handgun thats fine but like you said make sure you use ammo that will work good in your home, also better learn to shoot it really well. IMO shotguns have a wider margin of error. Also Shotguns have some really good mental power when they go off, they are loud and scary.

You won't be able to convince me shotgun not the way to go, just like you won't convince me cops are more honest then other professions. I still love that one.

cutthemdown
02-16-2009, 05:58 PM
got a friend that breeds pit bulls with Chow .. ****ing dogs are so mean they try to eat themselfs ....... best home defense in the world ......Mikes dog will actually let you in the house before you know he is there .. them Bam that dog got you .......

to make dogs really good though they have to be trained. One thing is they must be trained to not take food from anyone but the master, and also only what is in their feed bowl. Otherwise burglars and killers just toss a piece of drug laden meat into yard and dog goes to sleep.

broncofan7
02-16-2009, 06:00 PM
got a friend that breeds pit bulls with Chow .. ****ing dogs are so mean they try to eat themselfs ....... best home defense in the world ......Mikes dog will actually let you in the house before you know he is there .. them Bam that dog got you .......

I had a Veterinarian tell me the same thing about Chows....

skpac1001
02-16-2009, 06:00 PM
If he stays away from the 357 SIG and uses a heavy hollowpoint, that bullet is not going to be penetrating walls.

Also, this notion of racking a shotgun to scare an intruder away is pretty much a myth. I can only think of a few situations where that would actually work.

I can tell you it will work if I am the intruder. I will even throw a couple bills on the ground as I run away so there is no hard feelings.

Spider
02-16-2009, 06:07 PM
I had a Veterinarian tell me the same thing about Chows....

;D I hate mikes dog , sneaky . always looking for a reason to take you down .....

deputyorange
02-16-2009, 06:14 PM
how about a few of these?

Donk
02-16-2009, 06:36 PM
I'd stay away from those Smith & Wesson M&P series. I've shot them and they suck. A couple police departments down here switched to them and many of the officers aren't happy with them either.

As far as which brand to get, it's hard to go wrong with Glock, Springfield, Heckler & Koch and Sig Sauer. That Sig P220 that JHat posted is one of my absolute favorite pistols. I own a Glock 21 and I'm very happy with it. It's an excellent weapon for home defense provided your hands are big enough for it (it's a very large service pistol).

Glocks, Sigs, H&K and the Springfield XD series all come in various sizes and calibers, so you should be able to find one to suit you. The Glocks and Springfield XD's can usually be had for under $600, while the rest cost a bit more.

Using a shotgun as some have suggested is certainly an idea to consider, but I don't like the drawbacks of having such a large weapon when I'm checking hallways and so forth. I do have a friend though, who has a 12 gauge Mossberg 590. He removed the regular stock and replaced it with a pistol grip, so that might be a nice compromise.

The laser sight is a good idea. I'd also recommend a tactical light that mounts under the barrel, like a Surefire. There are some out there that have the laser/light combo. Both will come in handy in a home defense situation.

Now as far as far as which caliber to choose, I suggest you get the largest caliber you could reasonably handle. The .22 idea should be completely scrubbed. That's a "plinker" round, not a self defense round. My personal choice would be a .45 ACP, reason being that it's a big and slow bullet, so if you shoot an intruder you don't really have to worry about the bullet going through him, through the wall and into your son/daughter/wife sleeping in the next room.

Good luck. Let me know if you have any more questions.

http://www.glock.com/

Heckler & Koch USP series (http://www.hk-usa.com/usp_general.html)

Sig Sauer (http://www.sigsauer.com/Products/ShowCatalogCategory.aspx?categoryid=1)

Springfield XD series (http://www.springfield-armory.com/xd.php)

If you miss the intruder all most any thing will go through two sheets of half inch dry wall.

Florida_Bronco
02-16-2009, 06:51 PM
I didn't say anything about using the rack sound. IMO once you pull a gun out you should be ready to shoot not just try and scare guy away. If you can you should actually go hide and call police. Defend yourself as a last resort.

Also one reason I say the shotgun is just because I know a lot of really good cops and they all suggest shotgun for home defense.

Now if you want to use a handgun thats fine but like you said make sure you use ammo that will work good in your home, also better learn to shoot it really well. IMO shotguns have a wider margin of error. Also Shotguns have some really good mental power when they go off, they are loud and scary.

You won't be able to convince me shotgun not the way to go, just like you won't convince me cops are more honest then other professions. I still love that one.

I don't agree with the run and hide part if you are in your home.

Florida_Bronco
02-16-2009, 06:57 PM
I can tell you it will work if I am the intruder. I will even throw a couple bills on the ground as I run away so there is no hard feelings.

Hilarious! :thumbs:

If you miss the intruder all most any thing will go through two sheets of half inch dry wall.

Common sense would say so, but in fact it rarely happens unless you are using +P ammunition, full metal jackets or a real hot rod round. A standard hollowpoint round probably would not get any meaningful penetration.

But at the very least, you still need to be very aware of what's on the other side of the wall you are shooting at.

deputyorange
02-16-2009, 07:08 PM
Maybe go for an m4 style .223. Less penetration (with proper rounds) then handgun rounds, plus more accurate. Also higher capacity then a shotgun. And with shotguns, for lethality you need to use slugs or buckshot. Slugs way over-penetrate, and buckshot is hard to account for every pellet. I wouldn't take my chances on bird shot taking down a doped up bad guy intent on hurting you.

Spider
02-16-2009, 07:10 PM
Hilarious! :thumbs:



Common sense would say so, but in fact it rarely happens unless you are using +P ammunition, full metal jackets or a real hot rod round. A standard hollowpoint round probably would not get any meaningful penetration.

But at the very least, you still need to be very aware of what's on the other side of the wall you are shooting at.

My Dad was shot with a .38 Hollow point in a bar room fight off of 6 th and federal Jolly Rogers bar ... those hollow point bullets are serious **** . The ole man lived , but that bullet ****ed him up for a while

Florida_Bronco
02-16-2009, 07:17 PM
My Dad was shot with a .38 Hollow point in a bar room fight off of 6 th and federal Jolly Rogers bar ... those hollow point bullets are serious **** . The ole man lived , but that bullet ****ed him up for a while

Yeah, I definetly would not want to be shot with a hollow point. My Glock 21 is loaded up with 14 rounds of 230 grain Winchester hollow points. God help anyone who gets hit with one of those.

Spider
02-16-2009, 07:23 PM
Yeah, I definetly would not want to be shot with a hollow point. My Glock 21 is loaded up with 14 rounds of 230 grain Winchester hollow points. God help anyone who gets hit with one of those.
;D i was standing right there when it happened , but the part that shocked me was Dad didnt even know he was hit , he just went after the guy and started beating him to death , then he realized he had been shot , then started kicking the guys head in for shooting him ........ The gun shot , and the after effect wasnt what I expected .. Hollywood makes it look so much better ;D

fido
02-16-2009, 09:34 PM
.22's are a good learning tool, do not use one for defense though....just really make someone mad......get a shotgun...preferebly side by side 12 gauge.....scarry and effective like nothing else.

Dark Helmet
02-17-2009, 02:30 AM
Maybe go for an m4 style .223. Less penetration (with proper rounds) then handgun rounds, plus more accurate. Also higher capacity then a shotgun. And with shotguns, for lethality you need to use slugs or buckshot. Slugs way over-penetrate, and buckshot is hard to account for every pellet. I wouldn't take my chances on bird shot taking down a doped up bad guy intent on hurting you.

Don't confuse penetration with stopping power. I have both a Shotty (12 gauge and a M4 carbine (basically an m-16 which fires .223) My wife and I regularly go out shooting and the shotgun is going to do a much better job of stopping someone at close to intermediate range. Why the shotty is better....You don't have to aim much which is a plus if it's dark and you're freaking out, it will put a 5 inch hole in the intruder or pop their head at close range....rounds are much cheaper as well. Additionally, assault rifles are much more expensive where a shot gun is only about 150.00. I live in a pretty questionable area and have the shot gun right next to by bed if that tells you anything.

To answer the original poster's question;

As far as handguns are concerned, glocks are by far the most popular. I'm in the market for a handgun as well and I'll be picking up a Walther P-22 .40 cal, quick action. Do not rely a .22. Unless you shoot someone in the eye and let the bullet bounce around their skull, you're S.O.L.

I recommend going to your local shooting range to test out a few different weapon types. This will allow you to make an educated choice and will allow you to get a feel for what fits you best.

Dark Helmet
02-17-2009, 02:39 AM
I don't agree with the run and hide part if you are in your home.

Agreed. Letting them know you are there and that you have a gun is the first defense. Most will leave immediately. This method also will give you piece of mind if you have to use your weapon.

I pity the fool who tries to break into my house. I have 7 plus years of martial arts experience, have an assault rifle, shotgun, Samurai swords and a variety of other weapons in my bedroom and adjoining office. I have a dog (boxer/Dane mix...we think) too but he would probably bark a few times then lick the intruder to death.

Breaker
02-17-2009, 03:30 AM
why any man would voluntarily arm his wife is beyond me ......

Spider
02-17-2009, 03:53 AM
Agreed. Letting them know you are there and that you have a gun is the first defense. Most will leave immediately. This method also will give you piece of mind if you have to use your weapon.

I pity the fool who tries to break into my house. I have 7 plus years of martial arts experience, have an assault rifle, shotgun, Samurai swords and a variety of other weapons in my bedroom and adjoining office. I have a dog (boxer/Dane mix...we think) too but he would probably bark a few times then lick the intruder to death.

dog bark is enough to make someone think twice ........ Unless your house is being cased by thieves ,then they will hit when you are not home ........

TailgateNut
02-17-2009, 07:40 AM
how about a few of these?

Classic! It'll remove anything on the "business side".

Hotrod
02-17-2009, 07:45 AM
Didnt read the whole thread but for the wife I might suggest a 25 auto a great easy to use handgun that will be stopped by 2x4's

Another great home defense option for either of you IMO of course is a snub nose 38 effective at close range and very manuverable in close combat situations.

If you will be shooting at any distance forget all of the above :)

Tombstone RJ
02-17-2009, 08:44 AM
Whatever home protection gun you choose, please take a safety course with your wife.

I'm of the philosophy that if you can't drop an intruder with a .38 revolver, then you should not be allowed to own a pistol. But that's just me.

Cito Pelon
02-17-2009, 03:30 PM
Ok all of you Gun fanatics--I could use your help. I am wanting to purchase two handguns/revolvers one for me and one for my wife. Ideally, I am looking for a higher end name brand gun manufacturer with a proven track record on safety and performance. I would like to get each one fitted with a laser grip/sight such as the one pictured below. This gun will be used for general protection in my home. Should I go with a 9mm or a .22? I truly am a novice when it comes to guns and besides firing an M16 in USAF basic training 11 years ago, I have no experience with weapons.Any help that you all could lend or any websites that you feel would be helpful would be greatly appreciated. Gracias!

The following advice given by Cito Pelon in no fashion or form may be used to implicate me in any felony or misdemeanor, mishandling of a firearm, crime by a juvenile or adult, accidental discharge of a firearm, hunting accident by firearm, murder, assault, menacing or mayhem.

My advice is Smith&Wesson for handguns of any caliber. Keep in mind when you buy a firearm all those above possibilites are possible.

I shot a hole through our refrigerator one time just bringing my .357 out of a backpack. I had it wrapped in a rag because it was wet when I put it away, and sonofab**** if it didn't fire when I grabbed it out of the backpack when I got home. Bullet went through the side of the fridge, out the fridge door, banged off the tiles in the kitchen, went through the cabinet under the sink, out the wall, nobody got hurt. You don't want to get that lucky.

Tankgunner95
02-17-2009, 03:43 PM
Yea I agree with everyone about the .22 cal, its a great learning tool, but bullets are small and known to bounce everywhere. But i also recommend a shooting class or something like a hunters safety course. Then, I would go with the 9mm or .40 cal. Very dependable carried 9 in the army, and now I have a .40 under the seat, and I have a shot gun next to the bed. Best results when you cock the shot gun the robber or intruder is going to SH!T his pants at least I would, and yes I said COCK up there. Thanks and have a good day.

Florida_Bronco
02-17-2009, 04:32 PM
The following advice given by Cito Pelon in no fashion or form may be used to implicate me in any felony or misdemeanor, mishandling of a firearm, crime by a juvenile or adult, accidental discharge of a firearm, hunting accident by firearm, murder, assault, menacing or mayhem.

My advice is Smith&Wesson for handguns of any caliber. Keep in mind when you buy a firearm all those above possibilites are possible.

I shot a hole through our refrigerator one time just bringing my .357 out of a backpack. I had it wrapped in a rag because it was wet when I put it away, and sonofab**** if it didn't fire when I grabbed it out of the backpack when I got home. Bullet went through the side of the fridge, out the fridge door, banged off the tiles in the kitchen, went through the cabinet under the sink, out the wall, nobody got hurt. You don't want to get that lucky.

Smith & Wesson makes quality revolvers, but I've been pretty disappointed with their semi-automatic offerings lately. The M&P series pistols were a huge let down to me.

McDman
02-17-2009, 04:39 PM
I have CZ 75 BD, it's a police issued gun in the Czech Republic. Great gun, it looks like a Beretta.

http://www.gunsnthings.com/Photos/CZ_folder/CZ75BD.jpg

mattob14
02-17-2009, 05:27 PM
I have CZ 75 BD, it's a police issued gun in the Czech Republic. Great gun, it looks like a Beretta.

http://www.gunsnthings.com/Photos/CZ_folder/CZ75BD.jpg

It's a P01 for me, but I agree, CZ's are a great gun. The field testing requirements of the Czech government scared most manufacturers out of the running, but the CZ's proved to be extremely durable. They're a little cheaper than most of the big-name manufacturers too.

wandlc
02-17-2009, 05:58 PM
Plenty of good advice on guns, but no mention of the ammo. I like Magsafe ammo for any caliber. Plenty of stopping power and if you choose the right round it won't go through walls.

Cito Pelon
02-17-2009, 07:25 PM
staying on topic, but just for "****s and grins", when was the last time any of you actually used, or had to brandish a firearm against another human being?

I did fire a .22 rifle at three guys I thought had to be stopped. I really wanted to kill them, but just before I pulled the trigger I aimed high. They were close and right under a light pole so I lifted to hit the light pole (wood), fortunately all three shots hit the light pole, they scattered and didn't do what I think they were planning on doing.

Whatever, that could have turned ugly for me if one of those shots would have ricocheted. Another instance for refraining from firearms, they can get you into as much trouble as you think they can get you out of.

McDman
02-17-2009, 08:16 PM
I live near campus where there are tons of robberies and break-ins. I really hope I never have to use it but it's nice to have.

McDman
02-17-2009, 08:17 PM
It's a P01 for me, but I agree, CZ's are a great gun. The field testing requirements of the Czech government scared most manufacturers out of the running, but the CZ's proved to be extremely durable. They're a little cheaper than most of the big-name manufacturers too.

Where did you read about the requirement for the Czechs? I'd like to read about that.

Dark Helmet
02-18-2009, 01:47 AM
dog bark is enough to make someone think twice ........ Unless your house is being cased by thieves ,then they will hit when you are not home ........

I hear that. I work third shift and my wife works second shift. Someone is always home which is good. Unfortunately, since I work nights; she is home alone. That's one of the reasons why we have the shotgun right next to the bed. There's nothing more scary to think of someone breaking in while my pregnant wife is at home alone.

Tombstone RJ
02-18-2009, 01:20 PM
I have CZ 75 BD, it's a police issued gun in the Czech Republic. Great gun, it looks like a Beretta.

http://www.gunsnthings.com/Photos/CZ_folder/CZ75BD.jpg

How much for one of these in a .45 cal configuration or similar round?

bronclvr
02-18-2009, 02:11 PM
I have a 12 Gauge Remington Pump for the big stuff, but I like Revolvers (as pointed out earlier, they don't jam)-here's what I have (although I also have a 1911)-

http://i39.tinypic.com/70xk7t.jpg


S & W Model 27 .357 Mag





http://i43.tinypic.com/2u89rwh.jpg





Ruger Vaquero .45 Colt-

McDman
02-18-2009, 02:15 PM
I know there is a .40 version for around $600 called the CZ compact. I have the 9mm and it was around 350-400$, I really don't know if it is really worth it to go up that far in price. If you are using it for protection I think a 9mm is plenty sufficient, plus .40 rounds are super expensive compared to 9mm.

mattob14
02-18-2009, 06:49 PM
Where did you read about the requirement for the Czechs? I'd like to read about that.

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/archive/index.php?t-169843.html

At one time, it was on the CZ website, but I can't find it now. The forum above has a full copy of the testing requirements, here are a few of the highlights:

Must be able to complete the following without failure:

4000 dry firings
3000 De-cockings
Operator level disassembly 1350 times with out ware or damage to components.
Complete disassembly 150 times, this is all the way down, pins, springs etc.
100% interchangability, any number of pistols randomly selected, disassembled, parts mixed and reassembled with no failures of any kind including loss of accuracy.

Reliability:
The reliability requirements for the P-01 pistol are 99.8%, that’s a .2% failure rate.
This equals 20 stoppages in 10,000 rounds or 500 “Mean Rounds Between Failure” (MRBF)
During testing, the average number of stoppages was only 7 per 15,000 rounds fired, this is a .05% failure rate, a MRBF rate of 2142 rounds! Over 4 time the minimum acceptable requirement.
The U.S. Army MRBF requirement is 495 rounds for 9mm pistols with 115 grain Ball ammunition.

STBumpkin
02-18-2009, 07:29 PM
remember that in the dark, a laser dot looks the same on a wall, an intruder, a dog, or a kid.