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brncobrett
02-15-2009, 09:44 PM
By Tim Graham
ESPN.com
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Buffalo Bills running back Marshawn Lynch is in trouble with the law again.



Lynch

Lynch, who played in the Pro Bowl one week ago, was arrested Wednesday in Culver City, Calif., on felony charges for possession of a concealed firearm.

The Culver City Police Department on Sunday afternoon released a brief statement with details of the arrest. The statement noted officers spotted three men in a 2006 Mercedes Benz and recognized Lynch as the Bills' running back.

"A subsequent field investigation led to the discovery of a loaded firearm," the report said. "The officers determined the gun belonged to Lynch and he was arrested for possession of a concealed firearm."

Lynch's lawyer, M. Gerald Schwartzbach, said his client was not involved in a traffic incident. Schwartzbach said the player was in California to visit friends.

The Los Angeles County Sheriff Department's inmate database says Lynch was booked at 7:12 p.m. and was released on a $35,000 bond at 8:45 p.m.

"We are aware of it and will monitor it," NFL spokesman Greg Aiello wrote in an e-mail to ESPN.com.


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Gun safety is a significant issue in the NFL. It has been a hot topic since New York Giants receiver Plaxico Burress was arrested on two felony charges in December after accidentally shooting himself at a Manhattan nightclub.

"We can confirm that Marshawn was arrested in California and has retained an attorney," Bills vice president of communications Scott Berchtold said in a statement. "We are in the process of trying to gather the facts and will not offer a comment while that process is ongoing."

Lynch's agent didn't return ESPN.com's request for a comment.

Lynch last summer was the subject of a hit-and-run investigation in Buffalo after his luxury SUV struck a woman in the street and sped away.

After nearly a month of posturing from Lynch's lawyers and the Erie County District Attorney, Lynch paid a $100 fine in a plea agreement. He didn't face criminal charges because the woman's injuries weren't serious enough. She sustained a bruised hip and cut to her thigh that required seven stitches at a local hospital.

In 2006, as Lynch was about to enter his junior season at California, he was the target of a drive-by shooting outside his prep alma mater, Oakland Technical. Police determined Lynch was the victim of mistaken identity.

Lynch, who will turn 23 in April, ran for 1,038 yards and eight touchdowns last season. He also caught 47 passes for 300 yards and a touchdown.


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loborugger
02-15-2009, 09:46 PM
Not a Bronco nor an AFC West rival.

His problem, as far as I am concerned.

Hope he can resolve this.

chaz
02-15-2009, 09:49 PM
Just another example of the thugs making their money off of football.

Archer81
02-15-2009, 09:57 PM
1,038 yards and he got a probowl nod?


:Broncos:

footstepsfrom#27
02-15-2009, 11:32 PM
A $35K bond on the gun charge seems pretty steep. I think I'd just go get a carry/conceal permit.

Boss Man
02-16-2009, 12:01 AM
Just another example of the thugs making their money off of football.

This makes him a thug how???

"Just another example of racist people hiding behind a keyboard..."

Obviously you dont realize some of us come from places were this is a requirement, as well as being in the lime light such as Marshawn people need protection as proven by numerous recent gun attacks on NFL players...

Kaylore
02-16-2009, 12:16 AM
Or maybe he could learn that the problems of keeping a loaded gun in a state where it's a felony to do so aren't worth the benefits...

And I love how you're racist if you think toting a loaded firearm around is thugish. How about you don't go hang where you'll need one?

FireFly
02-16-2009, 12:19 AM
Or maybe he could learn that the problems of keeping a loaded gun in a state where it's a felony to do so aren't worth the benefits...

And I love how you're racist if you think toting a loaded firearm around is thugish. How about you don't go hang where you'll need one?

QFT

He certainly has the money to go somewhere that one isn't needed.

400HZ
02-16-2009, 12:27 AM
Or maybe he could learn that the problems of keeping a loaded gun in a state where it's a felony to do so aren't worth the benefits...

And I love how you're racist if you think toting a loaded firearm around is thugish. How about you don't go hang where you'll need one?

You've never been to west Culver City or Crenshaw, have you?

400HZ
02-16-2009, 12:29 AM
QFT

He certainly has the money to go somewhere that one isn't needed.

He did, he went to Buffalo. Shame on him for not cutting all ties with his friends and family back home though, huh?

Kaylore
02-16-2009, 12:37 AM
You've never been to west Culver City or Crenshaw, have you?

Oh the old "well if you were there, you'd take a gun too" argument.

No I wouldn't. If I made what he did I'd move my immediate family to a new house. Then If my friends wanted to see me I'd invite them over. You don't have to turn your back on them. But you're right. He had no choice and after being arrested already and sitting down with Roger Goodell, he was totally justified toting his "piece" around in his shiny Cady knowing that the commisioner is a nazi about this stuff. He didn't even have the good sense to make his friend carry it and be his fall guy like 90% of the other guys have good sense to do.

Marshawn is an idiot and deserves the suspensions that he's going to be handed.

http://z.about.com/d/football/1/0/Y/N/MarshawnLynch1.jpg

400HZ
02-16-2009, 12:59 AM
Oh the old "well if you were there, you'd take a gun too" argument.


I wouldn't, but if I was Marshawn Lynch or had his money and easily recognizable ugly-ass face I would.

I did part of my growing up in SC Los Angeles, and despite the complete ****tiness of the area and LA in general, it's still home and I still go back sometimes. Nobody can tell me that I can't. I grew up there. It would sure be nice of Lynch to spend his enormous $4 million signing bonus or whatever it was on new houses for all his friends and family, but I think he lives in reality unfortunately.

GreatBronco16
02-16-2009, 02:32 AM
I just don't understand how people who don't live in the same 'lime light' can say how they would or wouldn't live if in it.

Too bad for him. Maybe he will learn from this.

Broncos_OTM
02-16-2009, 04:33 AM
A $35K bond on the gun charge seems pretty steep. I think I'd just go get a carry/conceal permit.

No not really thats about the going rate

snowspot66
02-16-2009, 06:47 AM
Wasn't he in a hit and run last year too? He better get suspended for four games at least.

Kaylore
02-16-2009, 09:10 AM
I wouldn't

Thank you.

I just don't understand how people who don't live in the same 'lime light' can say how they would or wouldn't live if in it.

Too bad for him. Maybe he will learn from this.

It's quite simple. There are thousands of people that have come from the same sad circumstances that are able to enjoy success and go through life without getting arrested twice in a year. Lynch isn't some special sad case like he's the only one in the world who's made it out of the ghetto and is just misunderstood and lonely.

400HZ
02-16-2009, 09:19 AM
Thank you.

No, thank you. The Colorado Mormon crowd obviously has a lot it can teach to today's inner city youth about surviving in the hood.

cutthemdown
02-16-2009, 09:31 AM
You've never been to west Culver City or Crenshaw, have you?

I just went to the Compton airport the other day but I left my piece at home.

cutthemdown
02-16-2009, 09:34 AM
A $35K bond on the gun charge seems pretty steep. I think I'd just go get a carry/conceal permit.

meh won't happen in Los Angeles very easily. To get that permit you have to pretty much know the Chief of Police. My brother is an atty in Long Beach and did some cases where he was threatened. Long Beach Police Chief offered him a concealed weapons permit but my Bro declined.

Smart move IMO all carried guns do is lead to a gunfight. Before you go carrying one remember that.

cutthemdown
02-16-2009, 09:37 AM
No, thank you. The Colorado Mormon crowd obviously has a lot it can teach to today's inner city youth about surviving in the hood.

LOL no doubt!!!!! I'd love to see Kaylore put on his suit and walk Crenshaw blvd spreading the Mormon Gospel.

400HZ
02-16-2009, 09:39 AM
I just went to the Compton airport the other day but I left my piece at home.

:pimp:
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Dudeskey
02-16-2009, 09:47 AM
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Kaylore
02-16-2009, 09:53 AM
LOL no doubt!!!!! I'd love to see Kaylore put on his suit and walk Crenshaw blvd spreading the Mormon Gospel.

Actually my little sister, a 5'6" blond girl, served her mission four years ago in west Oakland, California. I visited her there.

cutthemdown
02-16-2009, 09:58 AM
There is this park on the Corner of Compton/Atlantic when we were in HS would drive there and buy weed off the crips. They would be playing basketball and hanging out in da park. There was one guy down there who told us once, you stupid white kids no better then to come down here at night right?

Yeah growing up in so calif during the 80's was a strange ride. Of course I was from Lakewood which was like another world from Compton, even though the cities seperated by very little in terms of miles. It was wierd white kids living in the suburbs, and 15 minutes away black kids running the gauntlet just to get home from school.

Compton not as bad as it once was, but us stupid whitey's still don't go there!!!!! especially at night.

maher_tyler
02-16-2009, 11:34 AM
A $35K bond on the gun charge seems pretty steep. I think I'd just go get a carry/conceal permit.

I don't understand what is so hard about that??

Kaylore
02-16-2009, 11:49 AM
I don't understand what is so hard about that??

Now, now. Did you live in the ghetto? Have you walked in his shoes? When you're from the ghetto, you're excused from acting like a complete dickwad!

DB Doom
02-16-2009, 12:32 PM
he's a strange looking dude.

El Minion
02-16-2009, 01:03 PM
You've never been to west Culver City or Crenshaw, have you?

Well outside of the Mar Vista Gardens housing project, Culver City is really not a gang ridden city. Even the housing project is less of a nuisance then in times past. In fact Culver City is one of the more affordable west side areas to live in, more like a poor mans Santa Monica.

bombay
02-16-2009, 01:49 PM
Oh my God!!!

400HZ
02-16-2009, 02:08 PM
Well outside of the Mar Vista Gardens housing project, Culver City is really not a gang ridden city. Even the housing project is less of a nuisance then in times past. In fact Culver City is one of the more affordable west side areas to live in, more like a poor mans Santa Monica.

Well obviously it gets nicer as you move west out of south LA, but the 405 corridor between Culver and Supulveda has some areas that are still packed in with gangbangers. The MV Gardens project isn't even in Culver City technically. That whole area was the center of Hispanic/Black gang rivalries just 6 or 7 years ago, and plus you have Crenshaw just down the road. I know there's a city gang injunction now from Cintinela Ave all the way to Venice, but some of those neighborhoods are still places where precautions should be taken. CXC13 is mostly in Inglewood now but there are still some left, and they would crap their pants if they ever got an opportunity to jack someone like Marshawn Lynch. They'd probably kill him, too, they've killed cops there for Christ's sakes. The slap on the wrist that Goodell is going to give him is something that he'll survive.

Beantown Bronco
02-16-2009, 02:13 PM
Actually my little sister, a 5'6" blond girl, served her mission four years ago in west Oakland, California. I visited her there.

Oakland is about the last place I would be caught in a missionary position......oh, wait a sec......

~Crash~
02-16-2009, 02:26 PM
Or maybe he could learn that the problems of keeping a loaded gun in a state where it's a felony to do so aren't worth the benefits...

And I love how you're racist if you think toting a loaded firearm around is thugish. How about you don't go hang where you'll need one?

kind of hard to be at the right place DJ was not doing anything wrong . People get killed in the homes .

you would think after burres players would of got the permit they need.

Kaylore
02-16-2009, 02:31 PM
Oakland is about the last place I would be caught in a missionary position......oh, wait a sec......

LOL I will say parts of Oakland were really nice. Sure the flatlands were a bit on the poor side, but other parts were really, really pretty and they have some pretty upscale housing areas in the north. It wasn't near as bad as people made it out to be. And my sister made a year and a half without incident. She didn't tempt fate by going out late at night, but it's not like she saw people getting knifed all the time. She said it was mostly druggies and bums.

~Crash~
02-16-2009, 02:31 PM
Gun laws are crazy . I get the Idea they are needed "Gun laws ".

I wonder what truckers do to keep a gun in thier cab though all 50 States?

I know one thing I about got thew in jail in Utah

footstepsfrom#27
02-16-2009, 02:40 PM
Or maybe he could learn that the problems of keeping a loaded gun in a state where it's a felony to do so aren't worth the benefits...

And I love how you're racist if you think toting a loaded firearm around is thugish. How about you don't go hang where you'll need one?
Where would that be? In 1983 I was robbed at gunpoint in my own front yard.

snowspot66
02-16-2009, 03:37 PM
Where would that be? In 1983 I was robbed at gunpoint in my own front yard.

Lynch doesn't live there. He sleeps on a mattress made of money in a nice neighborhood.

NFLBRONCO
02-16-2009, 04:12 PM
First it was Pacman now its Ms Pacman Lynch

Malcontent
02-16-2009, 04:28 PM
LOL I will say parts of Oakland were really nice. Sure the flatlands were a bit on the poor side, but other parts were really, really pretty and they have some pretty upscale housing areas in the north. It wasn't near as bad as people made it out to be. And my sister made a year and a half without incident. She didn't tempt fate by going out late at night, but it's not like she saw people getting knifed all the time. She said it was mostly druggies and bums.

Is your sister married? Maybe she and Spider could go out on a date, and Miss Independent could chaperone...ROFL!

cmhargrove
02-16-2009, 04:29 PM
Are we still discussing whether Lynch is justified breaking the law multiple times within the last year?


Let's be honest, when B-Marsh was into all his crap, he was 100% wrong, but he looks as if he has learned from his lessons (so far).

Marshawn Lynch is 100% wrong, we have yet to see if he learns anything and straightens out. But, he should be at least facing a league suspension.

Jason in LA
02-16-2009, 04:41 PM
What's he doing in Culver City? I thought everybody knew not to drive through that area. Not because of any major gang problems, but those cops pull over damn near everybody. When ever I'm traveling to the westside, or coming from the westside, and I have the choice of either taking Venice Blvd or Washington Blvd, which run only a few blocks apart, I'll always take Venice because it runs just north of Culver City, where Washington runs right through Culver City. I try to avoid that city as much as possible, and I know a lot of other people who do as well.

As for the gun, he needs to stay out of rough areas (I wouldn't consider Culver City a rough area, but we don't know where he was coming from or going to that night). If I was rich I wouldn't be hanging at the spots that normal folks hang out. I would be able to afford better. I'm hanging where Kobe hangs, or Jack Nicholson, or the Mayor. High profile people who have good sense don't hang out with the normal folks. They don't hang out where the thugs go to. Hell, you'll catch me at the bar at the Century Plaza Hotel, where I don't need a gun.

Jason in LA
02-16-2009, 04:47 PM
LOL no doubt!!!!! I'd love to see Kaylore put on his suit and walk Crenshaw blvd spreading the Mormon Gospel.

About six months ago some Mormons knocked on my door (I live in the Crenshaw area). They were cool. We talked about some random stuff for like 10 minutes. I told them that I was leaving soon so they wouldn't hit me up for a Bible study. They came by a few times, each time I was about to leave ;D. But they were cool guys. I'm just not into being converted.

chaz
02-16-2009, 06:13 PM
This makes him a thug how???

"Just another example of racist people hiding behind a keyboard..."

Obviously you dont realize some of us come from places were this is a requirement, as well as being in the lime light such as Marshawn people need protection as proven by numerous recent gun attacks on NFL players...

wow. no. when you make millions of dollars every year you can not claim to be "required" to roam the streets. If he wants to have a gun, why can't he do it legally...

chaz
02-16-2009, 06:19 PM
He did, he went to Buffalo. Shame on him for not cutting all ties with his friends and family back home though, huh?

If your friends are thugs, you owe it to yourself to leave them behind if they don't want to come up with you. Personally I'd offer my friends a better life if they'd straighten up...these guys have no interest in that. thugs. black white or purple, they're thugs.

chaz
02-16-2009, 06:20 PM
Now, now. Did you live in the ghetto? Have you walked in his shoes? When you're from the ghetto, you're excused from acting like a complete dillwad!

:rofl: :thumbs:

maher_tyler
02-16-2009, 06:32 PM
Now, now. Did you live in the ghetto? Have you walked in his shoes? When you're from the ghetto, you're excused from acting like a complete dillwad!

I don't care where your from..people need to quit making excuses..it's the law..obide or face the conseqenses(sp?)!!

Garcia Bronco
02-16-2009, 09:32 PM
LOL California. I heard he had the gun in the trunk. Good thing the cops got him. I mean he should be behind bars for the hit and run, but whatever.

400HZ
02-16-2009, 10:00 PM
If your friends are thugs, you owe it to yourself to leave them behind if they don't want to come up with you. Personally I'd offer my friends a better life if they'd straighten up...these guys have no interest in that. thugs. black white or purple, they're thugs.

This is a typical bull**** statement from a person with no ability to think beyond their own priviledged situation. You probably don't even understand how offensive of a statement that is to some people.

The fact that somebody lives in a poor neighborhood doesn't make them a thug.

chaz
02-17-2009, 01:23 AM
This is a typical bull**** statement from a person with no ability to think beyond their own priviledged situation. You probably don't even understand how offensive of a statement that is to some people.
.

If you associate with bad people...odds are you're aren't Mother Teresa yourself. That is not racist/prejudice/bull****. I never mentioned anything about socioeconomic standing.

The fact that somebody lives in a poor neighborhood doesn't make them a thug.

Being a thug has nothing to do with money. Never said it did.

Bottom line is that your friends shape who you become. Choose accordingly.

cutthemdown
02-17-2009, 01:25 AM
About six months ago some Mormons knocked on my door (I live in the Crenshaw area). They were cool. We talked about some random stuff for like 10 minutes. I told them that I was leaving soon so they wouldn't hit me up for a Bible study. They came by a few times, each time I was about to leave ;D. But they were cool guys. I'm just not into being converted.

I'm not saying it doesn't happen, Just that I would like to see Kaylore do it!!!

400HZ
02-17-2009, 08:00 AM
If you associate with bad people...odds are you're aren't Mother Teresa yourself. That is not racist/prejudice/bull****. I never mentioned anything about socioeconomic standing.



Being a thug has nothing to do with money. Never said it did.

Bottom line is that your friends shape who you become. Choose accordingly.

You just assume that he was associating with bad people since the area that he was picked up in or coming from has gang problems.

He took an illegal measure to protect himself, just like thousands of other people in those neighborhoods do. He didn't use his weapon to rob a house or mug an old lady or do a driveby on some bloods. He's an easily identifiable person known to have a lot of money. Just like Sean Taylor or Dunta Robinson. He's a target. The fact that his success enabled him to get out of the hood doesn't mean that he is doing something wrong going back to visit an aunt or a grandmother or whoever or even a close friend. If he went because he wanted to hang out on the corner and shoot craps and drink 40s and have a piece to flash around, then yes that's incredibly stupid. But we don't know what he was doing. That's not going to stop most people from scoffing and dismissing him as a typical gangster thug, though. As seen here.

Garcia Bronco
02-17-2009, 08:03 AM
All I am saying is Mister Lynch was observing his Constitutionally protected right to keep and bare arms.

55CrushEm
02-17-2009, 09:03 AM
Marshawn might win "Ugliest Player" award......just sayin.

vancejohnson82
02-17-2009, 09:12 AM
You just assume that he was associating with bad people since the area that he was picked up in or coming from has gang problems.

He took an illegal measure to protect himself, just like thousands of other people in those neighborhoods do. He didn't use his weapon to rob a house or mug an old lady or do a driveby on some bloods. He's an easily identifiable person known to have a lot of money. Just like Sean Taylor or Dunta Robinson. He's a target. The fact that his success enabled him to get out of the hood doesn't mean that he is doing something wrong going back to visit an aunt or a grandmother or whoever or even a close friend. If he went because he wanted to hang out on the corner and shoot craps and drink 40s and have a piece to flash around, then yes that's incredibly stupid. But we don't know what he was doing. That's not going to stop most people from scoffing and dismissing him as a typical gangster thug, though. As seen here.

he was part of a hit and run....and now he was found with a gun

if it smells like a....NEVER MINd

chaz
02-17-2009, 11:13 AM
You just assume that he was associating with bad people since the area that he was picked up in or coming from has gang problems.

You're right, it was probably four Bishops in the car with him...all saying the rosary together. Late at night + car full of young guys + dangerous neighborhood + illegal gun = trouble. But you're right, bible study probably just ran late.



that makes it ok?!

[QUOTE=400HZ;2292833] He didn't use his weapon to rob a house or mug an old lady or do a driveby on some bloods. He's an easily identifiable person known to have a lot of money. Just like Sean Taylor or Dunta Robinson. He's a target. The fact that his success enabled him to get out of the hood doesn't mean that he is doing something wrong going back to visit an aunt or a grandmother or whoever or even a close friend. If he went because he wanted to hang out on the corner and shoot craps and drink 40s and have a piece to flash around, then yes that's incredibly stupid. But we don't know what he was doing. That's not going to stop most people from scoffing and dismissing him as a typical gangster thug, though. As seen here.

You can't believe for a second he was visiting his granny late at night with his entourage... Probably heading to the club, but you're right-we don't know. But this isn't his first incident with the law (see below).


he was part of a hit and run....and now he was found with a gun

if it smells like a....NEVER MINd

400HZ
02-17-2009, 11:51 AM
You're right, it was probably four Bishops in the car with him...all saying the rosary together. Late at night + car full of young guys + dangerous neighborhood + illegal gun = trouble. But you're right, bible study probably just ran late.



that makes it ok?!



You can't believe for a second he was visiting his granny late at night with his entourage... Probably heading to the club, but you're right-we don't know. But this isn't his first incident with the law (see below).

Once again, you are just making stereotypical assumptions. You don't know who he was hanging out with and you don't know what time or under what circumstances he was detained. Maybe he wasn't at your mocking bible study, but that doesn't mean he was doing anything thuggish. Culver City isn't exactly the apex of the LA club scene by the way. Certainly not if you have money. Like Jason said, it doesn't take hardly anything to get stopped by police there. They don't even need probable cause to search your vehicle if you're in the stretch of the city with the gang injunction. I'm not going to say that Marshawn Lynch is a good person or a victim here, I'm just going to wait until the circumstances of his arrest are revealed. The fact that people are already throwing stones at him isn't anything new in regards to arrests involving his demographic.

vancejohnson82
02-17-2009, 11:59 AM
Once again, you are just making stereotypical assumptions. You don't know who he was hanging out with and you don't know what time or under what circumstances he was detained. Maybe he wasn't at your mocking bible study, but that doesn't mean he was doing anything thuggish. Culver City isn't exactly the apex of the LA club scene by the way. Certainly not if you have money. Like Jason said, it doesn't take hardly anything to get stopped by police there. They don't even need probable cause to search your vehicle if you're in the stretch of the city with the gang injunction. I'm not going to say that Marshawn Lynch is a good person or a victim here, I'm just going to wait until the circumstances of his arrest are revealed. The fact that people are already throwing stones at him isn't anything new in regards to arrests involving his demographic.

you are just trying to be a martyr with these kinds of arguments...

its illegal....bottom line...just like driving drunk is illegal...he got caught and now opens himself up to be criticized

Kaylore
02-17-2009, 12:02 PM
The fact that people are already throwing stones at him isn't anything new in regards to arrests involving his demographic.
I know you want to make this a race thing, but I think when people look at Marshawn Lynch and see his behavior they file him in the demographic of "dumb ass." Anyone that's heard the guy talk knows he's got the brain of a stapler.

El Minion
02-17-2009, 12:40 PM
Well obviously it gets nicer as you move west out of south LA, but the 405 corridor between Culver and Supulveda has some areas that are still packed in with gangbangers. The MV Gardens project isn't even in Culver City technically. That whole area was the center of Hispanic/Black gang rivalries just 6 or 7 years ago, and plus you have Crenshaw just down the road. I know there's a city gang injunction now from Cintinela Ave all the way to Venice, but some of those neighborhoods are still places where precautions should be taken. CXC13 is mostly in Inglewood now but there are still some left, and they would crap their pants if they ever got an opportunity to jack someone like Marshawn Lynch. They'd probably kill him, too, they've killed cops there for Christ's sakes. The slap on the wrist that Goodell is going to give him is something that he'll survive.

I would consider Culver City as safe as say Santa Monica. Venice would be more hazardous to your safety if you don't know your way around, especially where the gangs congregate. Lynch in Culver is a non-starter, Lynch in say Compton, now that would raise troubling questions, especially since this guy is no dunce having gone to Cal.


What's he doing in Culver City? I thought everybody knew not to drive through that area. Not because of any major gang problems, but those cops pull over damn near everybody. When ever I'm traveling to the westside, or coming from the westside, and I have the choice of either taking Venice Blvd or Washington Blvd, which run only a few blocks apart, I'll always take Venice because it runs just north of Culver City, where Washington runs right through Culver City. I try to avoid that city as much as possible, and I know a lot of other people who do as well.

As for the gun, he needs to stay out of rough areas (I wouldn't consider Culver City a rough area, but we don't know where he was coming from or going to that night). If I was rich I wouldn't be hanging at the spots that normal folks hang out. I would be able to afford better. I'm hanging where Kobe hangs, or Jack Nicholson, or the Mayor. High profile people who have good sense don't hang out with the normal folks. They don't hang out where the thugs go to. Hell, you'll catch me at the bar at the Century Plaza Hotel, where I don't need a gun.

QFT. My worst encounters with police have been with Culver City PD, a$$holes who on more than one occasion have lied and used entrapment as a reason for pulling me and my friends over.

brother love
02-17-2009, 12:44 PM
Apparently millions of dollars can't buy a gun permit. I'd also be interested to find out how he got the gun.

400HZ
02-17-2009, 12:51 PM
you are just trying to be a martyr with these kinds of arguments...

its illegal....bottom line...just like driving drunk is illegal...he got caught and now opens himself up to be criticized

NFL players are at a huge risk when it comes to being targetted by criminals. People get caught up in the stupidity of guys like Burress and forget examples like Sean Taylor, Ben Roethlisberger, Dunta Robinson, and maybe even your own Darrent Williams. Guys who are easily recognizable and have their salaries listed on KFFL. It's easy to sit back and cast judgement on somebody for carrying a firearm and risking arrest because we don't share the risk they have of being targetted by criminals. I'd bet you anything that the ratio of NFL players who carry weapons is shockingly high. You can say get a bodyguard or get a permit or whatever, and guys do, but in reality states don't hand out concealed weapons permits like candy and it's not always practical to have a bodyguard with them 24/7. There have been a plethora of articles written about it lately, but in light of the Burress fiasco, players don't want to come out and say that they carry a weapon.

http://www.dailycardinal.com/article/21572

http://www.executive-protection-news.com/?p=598

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E05E3DB173EF935A15751C1A9659C8B 63

And I don't want to make it sound like I'm the type of person who carries a gun around or feels an unneccessary need to. I don't because I'm not a target. Guys like Lynch have to weigh the risk of getting arrested for weapons possession versus the risk of ending up like Sean Taylor.

vancejohnson82
02-17-2009, 12:57 PM
[QUOTE=400HZ;2293245]NFL players are at a huge risk when it comes to being targetted by criminals. People get caught up in the stupidity of guys like Burress and forget examples like Sean Taylor, Ben Roethlisberger, Dunta Robinson, and maybe even your own Darrent Williams. Guys who are easily recognizable and have their salaries listed on KFFL. It's easy to sit back and cast judgement on somebody for carrying a firearm and risking arrest because we don't share the risk they have of being targetted by criminals. I'd bet you anything that the ratio of NFL players who carry weapons is shockingly high. You can say get a bodyguard or get a permit or whatever, and guys do, but in reality states don't hand out concealed weapons permits like candy and it's not always practical to have a bodyguard with you 24/7. There have been a plethora of articles written about it lately, but in light of the Burress fiasco, players don't want to come out and say that they carry a weapon.[QUOTE=400HZ;2293245]



Ok...then why isnt Peyton Manning a target?? Why isn't Ryan Clady a target?? Why isn't Phillip Rivers a target???

The answer is simple...because they play it safe. You won't see Peyton Manning at a lush, inner city nightclub rolling up in a Range Rover on dubs making a spectacle of himself...

You or I could be a target if we put ourselves out like that, which is apparently what a lot of these athletes try and do. And that is their perogative...but these people are not being hunted down like you are making it out to be...they put themselves at a higher risk by trying to "ball out"

Sean Taylor was in with the wrong crowd and was flashing his wealth around...not saying he deserved it at all, nobody does...but there are ways to present yourself...

Kaylore
02-17-2009, 01:00 PM
NFL players are at a huge risk when it comes to being targetted by criminals. People get caught up in the stupidity of guys like Burress and forget examples like Sean Taylor, Ben Roethlisberger, Dunta Robinson, and maybe even your own Darrent Williams. Guys who are easily recognizable and have their salaries listed on KFFL. It's easy to sit back and cast judgement on somebody for carrying a firearm and risking arrest because we don't share the risk they have of being targetted by criminals. I'd bet you anything that the ratio of NFL players who carry weapons is shockingly high. You can say get a bodyguard or get a permit or whatever, and guys do, but in reality states don't hand out concealed weapons permits like candy and it's not always practical to have a bodyguard with them 24/7. There have been a plethora of articles written about it lately, but in light of the Burress fiasco, players don't want to come out and say that they carry a weapon.

http://www.dailycardinal.com/article/21572

http://www.executive-protection-news.com/?p=598

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E05E3DB173EF935A15751C1A9659C8B 63

And I don't want to make it sound like I'm the type of person who carries a gun around or feels an unneccessary need to. I don't because I'm not a target. Guys like Lynch have to weigh the risk of getting arrested for weapons possession versus the risk of ending up like Sean Taylor.
I don't have a problem with people carrying a gun. I have a problem with people doing it illegally and making stupid choices.

GreatBronco16
02-17-2009, 01:55 PM
Ok...then why isnt Peyton Manning a target?? Why isn't Ryan Clady a target?? Why isn't Phillip Rivers a target???

The answer is simple...because they play it safe. You won't see Peyton Manning at a lush, inner city nightclub rolling up in a Range Rover on dubs making a spectacle of himself...

You or I could be a target if we put ourselves out like that, which is apparently what a lot of these athletes try and do. And that is their perogative...but these people are not being hunted down like you are making it out to be...they put themselves at a higher risk by trying to "ball out"

Sean Taylor was in with the wrong crowd and was flashing his wealth around...not saying he deserved it at all, nobody does...but there are ways to present yourself...


QFT.

400HZ
02-17-2009, 02:30 PM
Ok...then why isnt Peyton Manning a target?? Why isn't Ryan Clady a target?? Why isn't Phillip Rivers a target???

The answer is simple...because they play it safe. You won't see Peyton Manning at a lush, inner city nightclub rolling up in a Range Rover on dubs making a spectacle of himself...

You or I could be a target if we put ourselves out like that, which is apparently what a lot of these athletes try and do. And that is their perogative...but these people are not being hunted down like you are making it out to be...they put themselves at a higher risk by trying to "ball out"

Sean Taylor was in with the wrong crowd and was flashing his wealth around...not saying he deserved it at all, nobody does...but there are ways to present yourself...

For the same reasons that we discussed earlier in the thread. They don't come from areas where you are putting yourself at high risk. Peyton's family members and most of his friends probably live in nice houses in affluent communities. He doesn't have to drive through Compton to visit his grandmother. Alot of you automatically assume that the only reason to go to places like that is to hang with gangbangers, but real people live in those neighborhoods too.

vancejohnson82
02-17-2009, 02:46 PM
For the same reasons that we discussed earlier in the thread. They don't come from areas where you are putting yourself at high risk. Peyton's family members and most of his friends probably live in nice houses in affluent communities. He doesn't have to drive through Compton to visit his grandmother. Alot of you automatically assume that the only reason to go to places like that is to hang with gangbangers, but real people live in those neighborhoods too.

nobody is saying that he can't go to places he wants to....but the fact of the matter is that if you go to the hood, decked out in jewels and riding a fancy car, you MAKE yourself a target...

the same can be said for anybody who does that...if I ride around Watts or Oakland or Newark NJ in a Bentley, I am MAKING myself a target...its telling people that dont have Bentleys or thousands of dollars on them, that I might....i can't complain at that point if somebody robs me or pulls a gun, becuase in a way I've tempted people to do so..

perhaps, the easiest way to avoid being pulled over or carjacked is to either tone down the type of vehicle you are in or have a professional service drive you from place to place...

face the facts, guys like Lynch put themselves in sticky situations and it could be because of a number of reasons...it could be that they like living on the edge or the attention or the "rebel" factor

but he's not innocent in this....he broke the law...bottom line

vancejohnson82
02-17-2009, 02:49 PM
Dwayne Wade is from the southside of CHicago...

serena and venus williams were brought up in Compton...

why aren't they carrying guns around???

400HZ
02-17-2009, 03:45 PM
nobody is saying that he can't go to places he wants to....but the fact of the matter is that if you go to the hood, decked out in jewels and riding a fancy car, you MAKE yourself a target...

the same can be said for anybody who does that...if I ride around Watts or Oakland or Newark NJ in a Bentley, I am MAKING myself a target...its telling people that dont have Bentleys or thousands of dollars on them, that I might....i can't complain at that point if somebody robs me or pulls a gun, becuase in a way I've tempted people to do so..

perhaps, the easiest way to avoid being pulled over or carjacked is to either tone down the type of vehicle you are in or have a professional service drive you from place to place...

face the facts, guys like Lynch put themselves in sticky situations and it could be because of a number of reasons...it could be that they like living on the edge or the attention or the "rebel" factor

but he's not innocent in this....he broke the law...bottom line

Where does it say that he was driving a Bentley or that he was decked out in fancy jewels? Are you just assuming?

Dwayne Wade is from the southside of CHicago...

serena and venus williams were brought up in Compton...

why aren't they carrying guns around???

1) You don't know that they aren't when they go home.

2) They are in the super-rich category where Kaylore's ideas about moving everybody they know out of the hood is actually feasible.

cutthemdown
02-17-2009, 03:53 PM
You just can't carry a gun legally very easy in CA. People who carry them I would say like 90% can't legally carry them.

I know a couple people that figure if they ever get caught they won't do it again, but until then it's worth it just in case. They will grab gun sometimes, other times leave it at home.

Dangerous game to play I prefer to just not carry one and take my chances. To many things can go wrong when people carry guns.

Garcia Bronco
02-17-2009, 04:03 PM
You just can't carry a gun legally very easy in CA. People who carry them I would say like 90% can't legally carry them.

I know a couple people that figure if they ever get caught they won't do it again, but until then it's worth it just in case. They will grab gun sometimes, other times leave it at home.

Dangerous game to play I prefer to just not carry one and take my chances. To many things can go wrong when people carry guns.

That the thing. Should you carry a gun and you pull it. You better be prepared to use it.

chaz
02-17-2009, 04:24 PM
I'm not going to say that Marshawn Lynch is a good person or a victim here, I'm just going to wait until the circumstances of his arrest are revealed. The fact that people are already throwing stones at him isn't anything new in regards to arrests involving his demographic.

I never condemned him. I simply don't think he is on the right path, and that is admittedly based only on the two legal incidents and the way he carries himself in football games.

And...his demographic?! What, millionaire males? Yeah, tough life. Nothing I said was dictated by the color of his skin.

chaz
02-17-2009, 04:31 PM
They are in the super-rich category where Kaylore's ideas about moving everybody they know out of the hood is actually feasible.

Marshawn Lynch is a first round pick...you're not going to tell me he can't afford a few $150,000 mortgages to get his granny or whoever you said he was visiting out of the dangerous neighborhoods.

400HZ
02-17-2009, 04:50 PM
Marshawn Lynch is a first round pick...you're not going to tell me he can't afford a few $150,000 mortgages to get his granny or whoever you said he was visiting out of the dangerous neighborhoods.

He probably did move a few people out just like most athletes from humble backgrounds do with their mothers, grandmothers, or whoever. Not everyone is interested in leaving, though. They might be tied down by their job or other obligations, or they might simply be too emotionally invested in the area where they grew up. My mother has been trying to convince my uncle who is a mailman in Inglewood to move for years now, but he has no interest. He likes his job and he likes living near his other family and friends in the neighborhood where he grew up. There are a lot of people just like him there. Money or fame doesn't obligate you to abandon your roots. I go visit him sometimes.

chaz
02-17-2009, 09:04 PM
Money or fame doesn't obligate you to abandon your roots.

i never said it did! you're are ridiculous, constantly twisting words around.

What I said was this (my intended point 50 posts ago): If you want to lead a good life/be a decent person, you may have to cut ties with some people in your life. These people may have been "friends"... Marshawn SEEMS to be a pretty good example of this (as was Sean Taylor and many others), putting himself in the situation to become what you call a target.

Archer81
02-17-2009, 09:09 PM
Its thug life. More important to hang with people who are not good for you in anyway then to get your family out and give your kids a better life. Marshawn is a dumbass, plain and simple.

:Broncos:

vancejohnson82
02-18-2009, 09:13 AM
Marshawn is a dumb ass, not for visiting his friends back home, but for illegally carrying a gun...

That's where my "assumptions" end...he got caught and now must explain himself and perhaps be criticized, thats all. I make no judgements on his character other than the fact he has made some bad decisions and perhaps has some growing up to do...as we all do, but some more than others.

400HZ
02-18-2009, 11:57 AM
Marshawn is a dumb ass, not for visiting his friends back home, but for illegally carrying a gun...

That's where my "assumptions" end...he got caught and now must explain himself and perhaps be criticized, thats all. I make no judgements on his character other than the fact he has made some bad decisions and perhaps has some growing up to do...as we all do, but some more than others.

We've gone full circle here.

Lynch was probably safer with a gun than without one. You or me wouldn't be. Our faces don't appear on ESPN every week. Our salaries aren't listed on the internet. We aren't likely targets, but well known NFL players are. It's real easy to sit back and cast judgement on Lynch for doing something when you aren't sharing the same risks as him.

And before anybody says it, there is a big difference between carrying a weapon inside your car in a neighborhood with gang activity and carrying a loaded weapon into an upscale nightclub tucked into your sweatpants.

vancejohnson82
02-18-2009, 12:24 PM
We've gone full circle here.

Lynch was probably safer with a gun than without one. You or me wouldn't be. Our faces don't appear on ESPN every week. Our salaries aren't listed on the internet. We aren't likely targets, but well known NFL players are. It's real easy to sit back and cast judgement on Lynch for doing something when you aren't sharing the same risks as him.

And before anybody says it, there is a big difference between carrying a weapon inside your car in a neighborhood with gang activity and carrying a loaded weapon into an upscale nightclub tucked into your sweatpants.

so you think a gangbanger in LA would be able to look inside of a car and say "hey, thats Marshawn Lynch, the running back for the Buffalo Bills"?????

NO ****ING WAY!!!!

what they would see is a nice car...and ANYONE in that car would be a target...you, me, Lynch, a preacher....ANYONE...crime does not care about WHO the victim is but what the victim HAS....

stop making excuses for him...oh btw, if he is so gung ho about seeing his relatives or friends, why not put them up on a plane for $200 and meet them in Vegas or out in a resort somewhere....there are answers but that wouldnt be "keeping it real" to some of the players

adn you say Dwayne Wade and the Williams' sisters make more money than Lynch and tahts why they stay out of trouble...well, aren't you kinda contradicting yourself...wouldnt that make them MORE of a target in your eyes??

chaz
02-18-2009, 01:11 PM
We've gone full circle here.

Lynch was probably safer with a gun than without one. You or me wouldn't be. Our faces don't appear on ESPN every week. Our salaries aren't listed on the internet. We aren't likely targets, but well known NFL players are. It's real easy to sit back and cast judgement on Lynch for doing something when you aren't taking the same risks as him.

And before anybody says it, there is a big difference between carrying a weapon inside your car in a neighborhood with gang activity and carrying a loaded weapon into an upscale nightclub tucked into your sweatpants.

Fixed it for you. There are plenty of millionaires out there who don't drive through gang territory in their Benz (yes, it was a benz). Bill Gates' face is everywhere...the epitome of money. but i don't see him being a "target." The bottom line is that it is Marshawn's choice to put himself in the situations he did...and he broke the law. Justify it to yourself as you like...but we'll have to agree to disagree.

400HZ
02-18-2009, 01:29 PM
so you think a gangbanger in LA would be able to look inside of a car and say "hey, thats Marshawn Lynch, the running back for the Buffalo Bills"?????

NO ****ING WAY!!!!

I could. That guy is ugly as ****.


what they would see is a nice car...and ANYONE in that car would be a target...you, me, Lynch, a preacher....ANYONE...crime does not care about WHO the victim is but what the victim HAS....

You don't know what kind of car he was driving. You are just making the assumption that since he is a young black man who has money that he must drive a Bentley everywhere he goes. Hell, maybe he does, but you don't know. Should we assume that he was flashing around a 200 carat chain, too? I mean, he is black...


stop making excuses for him...oh btw, if he is so gung ho about seeing his relatives or friends, why not put them up on a plane for $200 and meet them in Vegas or out in a resort somewhere....there are answers but that wouldnt be "keeping it real" to some of the players

This has been discussed. He can go wherever he wants.


adn you say Dwayne Wade and the Williams' sisters make more money than Lynch and tahts why they stay out of trouble...well, aren't you kinda contradicting yourself...wouldnt that make them MORE of a target in your eyes??

There are alot of athletes from poor neighborhoods and I'm sure many of them go back to visit sometimes. You don't think that Wade and the Williams' have any sort of protection whether it's bodyguards or whatever?

vancejohnson82
02-18-2009, 01:56 PM
ok.....we are going to have to agree to disagree

if Wade and the WIlliams' sisters go back and visit their families and neighborhoods we know its possible to stay out of trouble

and you trying to paint me as a racist isnt a great way to go about this either...he was pulled over in a Benz according to the reports...

and his hit and run accident happened in a 2008 Porsche SUV which have a base price of around $130,000

the Bentley comment was a little over the top but lets not make the mistake of thinking Mr. Lynch is playing it safe in a Celica

chaz
02-18-2009, 03:46 PM
You don't know what kind of car he was driving. You are just making the assumption that since he is a young black man who has money that he must drive a Bentley everywhere he goes. Hell, maybe he does, but you don't know. Should we assume that he was flashing around a 200 carat chain, too? I mean, he is black...

He was in a late-model Mercedes. Get your story straight. I think that would probably catch an eye or two in a gang-infested neighborhood...right or wrong that's the truth. Quit with the black/white bull****...this has nothing to do with race. Marshawn ****ed up. You don't need to defend his skin color.

This has been discussed. He can go wherever he wants.

Yes, but with that freedom comes consequences. Want to drive through the 'hood? Fine, your choice. but don't cry when you have to face the consequences.

GreatBronco16
02-18-2009, 04:03 PM
Come on guys. He was on his way to pick his grandma up to escort her to Bingo night. Everyone knows how dangerous Bingo night can be, so that is why he was packing heat and had his buds with him. I can't believe you guys didn't know this.:giggle:

cutthemdown
02-18-2009, 04:25 PM
Who cares maybe now we wont next yrs turd contest on PFT

400HZ
02-18-2009, 09:03 PM
He was in a late-model Mercedes. Get your story straight. I think that would probably catch an eye or two in a gang-infested neighborhood...right or wrong that's the truth. Quit with the black/white bull****...this has nothing to do with race. Marshawn ****ed up. You don't need to defend his skin color.



Yes, but with that freedom comes consequences. Want to drive through the 'hood? Fine, your choice. but don't cry when you have to face the consequences.

An '06 Benz. Worth about $30k. Thuggish.

GreatBronco16
02-18-2009, 10:29 PM
An '06 Benz. Worth about $30k. Thuggish.

Two cars roll up close to some thugs who are looking to rob someone. You drive up in an 06 Benz, and I roll up in a 98 civic. Who do you think they will pick out to rob just based on the cars before even seeing who is driving?

400HZ
02-18-2009, 10:53 PM
Two cars roll up close to some thugs who are looking to rob someone. You drive up in an 06 Benz, and I roll up in a 98 civic. Who do you think they will pick out to rob just based on the cars before even seeing who is driving?

The point being that it's not an over the top luxury car that is going to turn heads when it drives by. Hardly a Bentley. Not something flaunting wealth.

chaz
02-18-2009, 11:42 PM
The point being that it's not an over the top luxury car that is going to turn heads when it drives by. Hardly a Bentley. Not something flaunting wealth.

You don't know what it looked like...assumptions, assumptions...

GreatBronco16
02-19-2009, 12:40 AM
The point being that it's not an over the top luxury car that is going to turn heads when it drives by.

It doesn't really have to be an over the top luxury car.